A satanic racial imperialist
In case you ever had any doubts about my complete rejection of Richard Spencer or why I identified him as a Fake Right anti-nationalist, this video should resolve them for you. This is a partial transcript of 'The Richard Spencer Show: Moonraker' with Mark Brahmin on HEELTURN
Spencer is no more on the side of Western civilization than Jordan Peterson or George Soros. He's just another head of the globalist hydra.
RICHARD SPENCER: This is our view of the world, this is what we do for you now, and this is our view for the future. At some point we need to put forth a legitimate vision and a legitimate platform, saying this is our answer to the world's problems. I think there's something to be said for such a vision.First, he doesn't know what "pan-nationalism" means. He himself is actually a pan-national imperialist, and what he's criticizing is genuine nationalism. Second, he's not merely non-Christian and he wasn't "confused about Brexit", he openly supports globalist projects like the European Union and looks to the Tower of Babel as an ideal.
CALLER: Ancient Greeks sacked cities and set fire to their homes. Modern paleocons say that there must be a homeland for all. They are gay. Nations rise and fall, we either live to colonize the stars or die honorably. Paleocons aren't even right-wing.
RICHARD SPENCER: I basically agree with this criticism of what you could say is pan-nationalism. It's almost like egalitarian nationalism, but it's almost nationalism as egalitarianism. You know, every single little people will have an ethnostate homeland and we'll all therefore kind of unify, or, you know, at least treat each other fairly, and kind of be unified, the friendship of peoples, you could say, and so on. I think there is something to be said for such a vision, and something at least rhetorically that we should call upon, and say that you have your ethnostate, this is what we want.
But as an actual ideology, I think it absolutely fails. This is not, this is simply not, how the world works. Nations and states are born, they live, they flourish, they decay and die. And we can't just freeze the world as it is now and say nothing ever changes from here on out. No, we believe in an organic view of society. There is going to be life, and death, and decay, and victory, and defeat.
I think as an actual philosophy, this pan-nationalism has never, I've never had any interest in it. And also, one thing we can learn from the ancient world, we can also learn from the modern world as well, there are hegemonic power blocs across the world. That is not going to go anywhere. We aren't going to just simply devolve into little statelets, or city states, or neighborhoods, whatever they want. There's going to be big kahunas out there, who have more power than others, and are going to form the geopolitical world order. That just is what it is. We need to live in the world that exists and not just in some fantasy land.
MARK BRAHMIN: It's also desirable. I mean, honestly, it's also desirable. There is this famous parable in the Bible about the Tower of Babel. And the whole premise of that parable is that there are effectively these kind of non-Jewish figures whoa re trying to build a tower to go to the heavens. The Jewish god effectively sees them as a competitor, right?
RICHARD SPENCER: Right.
MARK BRAHMIN: He sends down his minions. He says lets go down and confuse their languages and disrupt them. So that Tower of Babel is kind of an ideal. That's something that our adversaries wouldn't want. When I say "the Tower of Babel" that would actually be a kind of unified culture. This unified language, or a common language, and common culture. We already have that to on extent or another, with English being a coommon language in the Western World. I think going in that direction, further in that direction, is actually a good thing.
RICHARD SPENCER: We need to flip all this supposed Biblical wisdom on its head. This is the paleocon answer: Oooh the Tower of Babel or whatever! It's funny that a lot of these people are Catholics. No, we build structures that last a thousand years. That is what we do. We build the Tower of Babel. We build Rome and we centralize things and bring people together. And this can last a long time.
Spencer is no more on the side of Western civilization than Jordan Peterson or George Soros. He's just another head of the globalist hydra.
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I'm not saying that the CIA is running Richard Spencer as one small asset in a massive anti-nationalism, anti-Americanism psyop. But if they were, what would they have him do differently?
But if they were, what would they have him do differently?
Tell him to stop talking enthusiastically about the Tower of Babel, for one thing. What's next, publicly embracing the Number of the Beast and getting his hand and forehead chipped?
Is his belief in the goodness of a Tower of Babel ideal why he sounds stupid or is his stupidity why he believes it to be an ideal in the first place.
I understand why the Rothchilds, ect, want a Tower of Babel situation but Spencer would never ever see the benefits of a system. I doubt he would survive in one.
Physiognomy should be enough to turn anyone off to Spencer right up front. An overweight guy with poor forward facial development and adult acne that gets punched in public while doing his clown act for the media was always, to put it lightly, bad rhetoric.
It's almost as if he was... Ahem... Selected... To advance the cartoon neo-Nazi coward archetype.
I think he's mostly talking out of his ass. This isn't a serious person.
What level of hubris do you have to reach to believe you can convince the dissident Right to abandon God?
"Spencer is no more on the side of Western civilization than Jordan Peterson or George Soros. He's just another head of the globalist hydra."
Richard Spencer is a Globalist Fist Magnet. Good to know.
FUBARwest wrote:Is his belief in the goodness of a Tower of Babel ideal why he sounds stupid or is his stupidity why he believes it to be an ideal in the first place.
The former. If anything, smart people are more susceptible to the solipsistic self-worship of the Satanic gnosticism at the heart of all leftism. Intelligence is no bulwark against that foolishness; quite the opposite, due to having stronger powers of rationalization.
The belief in the Christian God is the very reason we are the dissident right for many of us. If you don't believe in the Christian God, you would be better off participating in the degenerate mainstream culture where you can dedicate your life trying to gratify yourself like an animal serf in the modern Babylon than listen to Spencer.
Spencer is basically selling the fantasy that white serfs can get better gratification (a better deal) than what they currently have.
He has and the Fake Right, at the end of the day, are a nihilistic dead end.
Spencer is a NazBol anyway, idk why he is considered right wing in the 1st place
Vox, THANK YOU!
Could you write a "sequel" to Jordanetics called "Fake Nationalism"? Given the most recent Darkstream you talked about Spencer being a fake Nationalist, I think we'd all make a book from you on Fake Nationalism a #1 Bestseller.
Spencer, Woes, Anglin and a number of Alt-Retards can't possibly respond to you.
So... Spencer is literally a Nimrod.
We need to flip all this supposed Biblical wisdom on its head.
Upside-down. The Satanist tell.
Strange that anyone even considers this right-wing. Unless they're ignoramuses who don't think leftists can be racist.
Breaking things up into smaller pieces somehow egalitarian? What? No. There's no way to think the world hasn't grown more, I won't say actually egalitarian but pretend-egalitarian the more political authority has been concentrated. (Maybe things were more egalitarian in savage tribes, but they were hierarchical in ways we can't imagine.)
Global hegemony, that is the very definition of leftism.
At least Hitler restricted himself to the interests of Greater Germania. Spencer I presume is thinking of pan-white empire. How much more ridiculous is the idea of that working than a bunch of smaller ethnically, religiously, and historically cohesive states?
Leftists who can't identify themselves are sad. Is Spencer one of those or a plant?
I am willing to work with anyone who does not accept the Christian God, but I am totally unwilling to work with anyone who attacks the Christian God. This should be obvious to everyone who wants a successful revolution.
What does Spencer see coming from his nonsense? A secular, White place where we all act like Taylor Swift and Wil Wheaton? Does he want to live in a country like that? Does he seriously think Gen Z will shed blood to live in that nightmare world?
I listened to this Fake Right video recently (I have no idea why).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3JTJ1NRhpg
Mike Enoch, Striker, and others like them basically spend 45 minutes trashing anyone who likes sports, video games, and a bunch of other hobbies.
I found the whole thing so depressing, by the time I was done listening to it. The moral of the video is that anyone who likes the NFL or Nintendo (or whatever you play) is a loser.
Then you sit back realize these people have absolutely nothing to offer. None of them look like they lift weights, play sports, or have any interesting hobbies at all. All they do is fucking talk about what they hate on their pod casts.
They neither glorify God nor enjoy basic pleasures in life.
They are a nihilistic dead end, but they think if they name drop Plato or some philosopher every so often they are building something for the future.
Vox is a Christian, with a book publishing company, a comic publishing company, who enjoys sports, weight lifting, sci fi, and other normal manly hobbies.
All these guys do is pod about what and who they think sucks at life. There is literally nothing more to them.
RS fantasizing about some sort of racist EU or pan-white empire as been almost a joke for what, two or three years now?
And while Spencer may understand that conservativism is vacuous but his track record shows him as someone who lacks staying power and who is desperately searching for something to give him a intellectual cutting edge.
I listen to his show as background noise sometimes and his co-host praised either Deleuze or Guattari for their insightful criticism of capitalism recently for example.
When Spencer was punched, his instinctive, reflexive, gut reaction was to fix his hair. This is literally everything one needs to know to properly assess this man.
I don't believe Richard Spencer is smart enough to understand what the Tower of babel means, his other guest is a moron. Why are midwits leading the alt-right? Interesting that everybody on the alt-right is anti-Christian and doesn't know anything about Christianity. Spencer is a globalist media whore, who other low IQ's and midwits follow. I compare these alt-right and neo-con commentators to people like Lind, Van Creveld, Steve Keen and Taleb, it is night and day. The forces of evil are pushing midwits from all sides, to hide truth put forward by good people. Owen Benjamin is a god send, his wizard and spell truth rhetorically is the best thing ever. I have used it three times against not-British people who claim they are British, and they have just stopped talking. It destroys them.
I used to hate reading, I would struggle though a Peter Hitchens article, now I enjoy reading Lind and Van Creveld articles.
The reason why all atheists have an air of smugness about them is that when you remove God from the equation the only thing left to glorify is yourself.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
@20- Night and day can also be found comparing Spencer to his supposed major influence: Paul Gottfried. He's still alive, right?
I have noticed lately these Pagan Pan-White Imperialists going after paleoconservatism in particular. Which I thought maybe was supposed to be their word for all of failed conservatism, but I don't know. What is the beef? Especially considering one could accurately describe Gottfried as paleocon.
"Nobody said empire was easy, but it is right and good" - Richard Spencer (paraphrase)
@22 I just don't understand who it is that they appeal to?
The Fake Right that hate everything except Philosophy. They will occasionally like a movie or TV show but only if there is a subtext that they can compare to Neitzche or someone like that.
I've given these people a chance. A Fake Right podcast consists of: 1). Them jerking themselves and each other off 2). Them ripping anyone who likes sports, comics, or anything that is perceived as low brow. 3). Ripping Christianity, or at best, praising its utility in some lukewarm manner.
Once you listen to one or two podcasts, you realize that they have nothing to offer.
I honestly have a hard time getting past my hatred of that frat boy attitude of faux superiority that just oozes from Spencer.
He's the guy who thinks he can kick your ass because you won't fight him AND his seven friends with him; the kind of guy who thinks that sounding less dumb than the news reporters interviewing him, who were hired as much for their bustlines as anything else, makes him smart.
The dude is also a complete wuss. Which makes his conquering rhetoric laughable. His entire contribution to any fighting to accomplish anything would be yelling "Get 'em, bots!" from a very safe distance.
The problem is, a Global Government won't give us the stars. It will, by necessity, be exclusively concerned with it's own property alone.
Competition creates progress. Lack of competition ensures that our global government will be lording it over serfs as our infrastructure dies.
Nothing is forever, and a pan-national government will be more short lived than most.
Oh Jesus, what a load of drivel. Spencer is NOT an ally to European nationalists, he is in fundamental ideological opposition. His only problem with the EU seems to be that it lets nonwhites in, screw those dozens of different peoples with their diverse cultures, languages, dialects, history and strands of christianity. Let them all speak english, worship a constructed white paganism based on some fractions of texts out of the early middle ages, and let that bloc centrally governed by a circle of idealouges. Great. I never thought I'd say this but Spencers vision for Europe is way worse than what the EU is doing. What a moron, he sees an evil construct like the EU and says: "That's nice, but I had a few improvements in mind to make it more dystopian"
Thanks for sharing this info. It would have been unnoticed by most of us.
One thing Spencer does that is retarded, is that he remains in the left’s frame when he states his ideals.
Charles Barkley: “Tell me your beliefs.”
Spencer: “You know about white privilege and all of that?”
Charles Barkley: “Yes, of course.”
Spencer: “Well, I want more of that.”
Anyone who thinks this is an exaggeration should go watch his interview with Barkley.
Agreeing to white privilege and saying you want more, or discussing globalism with the “Tower of Babel” analogy, yet taking the side of Nimrod, are clear indications that he’s a total idiot. If you applied his thinking to other issues it would get even more absurd.
“I agree that our immigration policy is harmful to migrant children, I just want more of it.”
“I agree that women should be oppressed, however we need to go even further.”
He’s either a fake, or a moron on a new level. Yet he does all he can to try and sound brilliant on that stupid podcast, usually with some other pompous fool.
Richard Spencer's vision has already been tried. It's called the US of A. And it ends with "le 56% face".
Americans from 100-200 years ago were far more racist than Richard 'faggot' Spencer can hope to be. But still their country ended up browning. Because they broke the national identity by first importing white immigrants from outside England and accepting that they were just as American as the real Americans.
@25 everyone on the Fake Right has a superiority complex. They like philosophy and they are anti-degeneracy and after that, there is nothing that makes them relatable.
My take away from listening to Enoch and Sven speak are that all hobbies are for losers. From a rhetoric standpoint, I'll give them their due in that they are effective as trashing the degenerate aspects of our culture. But if you trash Christianity and most normal men's hobbies, then what exactly would they replace the current culture with?
Spencer is the worst kind of opportunist, which is why he gets covert support from the Globalists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJTaODGxsd0
When you abandon Christ, you abandon the West…and sanity along with it.
My take away from listening to Enoch and Sven speak are that all hobbies are for losers. From a rhetoric standpoint, I'll give them their due in that they are effective as trashing the degenerate aspects of our culture. But if you trash Christianity and most normal men's hobbies, then what exactly would they replace the current culture with?
This is a tell that they're fucking losers. Normal men have hobbies. The rejects who are "picked last" posture about being above it all.
I don't know who Sven is. But I know for a fact that Enoch is a fat fucking slob.
How the fuck can anyone be in favour of the abomination called the EU, and claim to be nationalist is beyond me.
I think Spencer needs to find himself a new role, promoting men's hair care products would seem right up his street.
O/T The bizarre and suicidal demographic position of the West analysed by Bruce Charlton...http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2019/01/sheer-blind-craziness-and-murderous.html
"Physiognomy should be enough to turn anyone off to Spencer right up front. An overweight guy with poor forward facial development and adult acne that gets punched in public while doing his clown act for the media was always, to put it lightly, bad rhetoric."
C'mon. There are a lot of damning criticisms to be made of Richard Spencer, but you're going with he's not good-looking enough? I'd say rather the opposite. He's deliberately been picked for his role in part because he is a good-looking figure. A fair form for a disciple of the Father of Lies.
But seriously; physiognomy has its uses but don't go overboard with it.
Spencer is the worst kind of opportunist, which is why he gets covert support from the Globalists.
He certainly showed his true colors with this one. He's a Nietzschean and a Darwinist. What he really worships is power. Just another skin employed by the Satanic power afoot (the ultimate object of his worship, whether he knows it or not). Spencer doesn't actually oppose the notion of the EUSSR or a global hegemon because such a notion is intrinsically evil, but is only (maybe) unhappy with the fact that it's Soros et al pulling Uncle Schmuil's strings instead of himself or perhaps some other devil-puppet with himself pulling the strings (as they're pulled from the dark reaches of hell). It's kind of like the famous remark made about a negotiation: We've already determined you're a whore, how we're merely dickering over the price.
While there is a place for Non-Christians in our movement, there is no place for Non-Christians in leadership roles for Christians. As a Christian, I'm open to supporting non-believers like Stefan as allies, but I will never consider them leaders.
tublecane wrote:
@20- Night and day can also be found comparing Spencer to his supposed major influence: Paul Gottfried. He's still alive, right?
I have noticed lately these Pagan Pan-White Imperialists going after paleoconservatism in particular. Which I thought maybe was supposed to be their word for all of failed conservatism, but I don't know. What is the beef? Especially considering one could accurately describe Gottfried as paleocon.
Gottfried's still alive and has voiced his disapproval of Spencer - who has managed to do quite a bit of damage to our side in the past 2-3 years. As I noted above, Spencer has gone full Darwinist/Nietzschean in his view of things much more blatantly than say 10 years ago, when he at least pretended to tolerate religious paleos and traditionalists. Gottfried's main theme has been in documenting the destruction wrought by the infiltration of the right by the Trotskyites such as Poderetz and Kristol. He was purged at their command along with folks like Sam Francis, Buchanan, Larry Auster, etc. around 20 years ago.
(forgot to add to previous)
Spencer is an infiltrator as well - but from a different angle that that of the Trotskyites, who see their job as finished in terms of rendering the Republican party as the ultimate toothless opposition (they were successful beyond their dreams). Now they're off to push the like of Shapiro and Peterson for their "Intellectual Dork Web". Spencer's probably too effeminate for this job so his assigned vector is another one.
We’re informed they “the poor will always be with us”. This doesn’t refer to people alone. There will always be failed nations. To imagine otherwise is heretical.
I'm no fan of Spencer, and he deserves to be shat on. But if you're going to shit on him, do it because he's an arrogant, pompous, Anglo imperialist.
He's not a Satanist or a globalist or a leftist. This is all so tiresome.
Garuna wrote:I don't know who Sven is. But I know for a fact that Enoch is a fat fucking slob.
Sven is Enoch's Daily Shoah co-host.
I used to listen to the Daily Shoah going all the way back to late 2014. It used to be a fun show that didn't take itself all that seriously. Then at some point it became explicitly "white nationalist" and over time devolved into something that was unfunny and retarded. Another commenter had it right about Enoch: all he does anymore is rant about stuff he hates (mostly the Jews).
I stopped bothering with the show (and everything else TRS related) sometime last year. It's a dying network representing a dead movement. Good riddance, honestly.
Super Snake wrote:He's not a Satanist or a globalist or a leftist. This is all so tiresome.
He is a leftist, though. He's an older school racist leftist, in the mold of someone like Woodrow Wilson. He despises God, traditional Christian order and morality, and true kith and kin community. He believes in imperium and a grand, utopian vision of society. He is not a rightist.
This is a tell that they're fucking losers. Normal men have hobbies. The rejects who are "picked last" posture about being above it all.
They aren't attacking "hobbies" in general (shooting, hunting, fishing, etc.). It's specifically the most artificial and Jew-controlled consumerist hobbies that they're critiquing.
If we're actually claiming that the NFL is a good and wholesome product to be consuming in globohomo 2019, then we have some more serious problems at hand. And this is coming from an ex NFL fan.
For as long as I've been aware of him, Spencer has always had an elitist, coastal attitude and a hatred of salt of the earth "flyover" people. He's a man who would far prefer to hob-nob with left-wing socialites than sully himself around normal, conservative minded Americans (who he considers dumb and beneath him).
He is not in the least bit fit to lead any kind of right-wing movement, for he despises the very people who would naturally be drawn to such a thing, hence his hatred of Trump and the MAGA movement.
He's really not on our side and never has been.
Desdichado wrote:C'mon. There are a lot of damning criticisms to be made of Richard Spencer, but you're going with he's not good-looking enough? I'd say rather the opposite. He's deliberately been picked for his role in part because he is a good-looking figure. A fair form for a disciple of the Father of Lies.
But seriously; physiognomy has its uses but don't go overboard with it.
Well, he's naturally good-looking, but he's also pudgy and oozes physical weakness. He's a typical trust fund brat.
He is a leftist, though. He's an older school racist leftist, in the mold of someone like Woodrow Wilson. He despises God, traditional Christian order and morality, and true kith and kin community. He believes in imperium and a grand, utopian vision of society. He is not a rightist.
I won't deny that. But let's not pretend that any modern political figurehead couldn't be considered a leftist depending on how far back we go. Trump's views on immigration are hardly any different than any democrat 30 years ago, and nationalist figures of the 1920s were in many ways comparable to French Revolutionaries of the 1780s.
The entire West has been marching away from tradition and true Christianity for hundreds of years. If a guy wants to role back the clock 100 years, then I'm not going to devote my time to obstructing him. It's at least the right direction.
WTB: An advanced copy of Spencernetics.
"do it because he's an arrogant, pompous, Anglo imperialist." You forgot lisping. When he says the word badass you can literally hear all the testosterone leaving the building.
Mike and Sven don’t bash all hobbies, they bash the globohomoized ones and the kind of men who let them rule their lives. Sven has music as a hobby and mike reads. Both are self admitted hobbies and neither is looked down on.
Thank you Vox. You rock and I am so glad that you are on the case. Peace be unto you. ...
Super Snake wrote:I won't deny that. But let's not pretend that any modern political figurehead couldn't be considered a leftist depending on how far back we go. Trump's views on immigration are hardly any different than any democrat 30 years ago, and nationalist figures of the 1920s were in many ways comparable to French Revolutionaries of the 1780s.
I would agree that Trump is really more of an old school, 90s era Democrat than anything else. But he knows how to win and he's in a position of power to do so. Trump, functionally, is a nationalist and poses a serious threat to the entire globalist power structure, regardless of where he sits exactly on the historic left-right political divide. So I agree with you there.
But in what way is Spencer helping our cause? The man is irrelevant. He has no power and no one likes him besides small cadre of internet goons. He actively opposes Trump and the MAGA movement. At best he's dead weight; at worst a saboteur.
There is no comparison between Trump and Spencer.
But in what way is Spencer helping our cause? The man is irrelevant. He has no power and no one likes him besides small cadre of internet goons. He actively opposes Trump and the MAGA movement. At best he's dead weight; at worst a saboteur.
He has already hit his peak. Over the course of 2014-2017 I believe he brought many people into the far right and white identity through his publicity stunts and unique perspective. But I doubt many people are being awakened through him anymore. He has overstayed his welcome.
At the same time, I worry about Vox starting a shitstorm with him and his followers. A flame war is only going to give him more publicity and prolong the process of him fading out of the public eye to make room for new faces.
I especially oppose starting flame wars with Daily Stormer and TRS. They have their issues, but their work is geared more towards the youth, and it's been remarkably effective. Their style appeals to young millennials and GenZ. It's hard for Xers to understand the nuance there cause they didn't grow up with it, no offense intended.
"I especially oppose starting flame wars with Daily Stormer and TRS."
you haven't been lurking here long enough.
you haven't been lurking here long enough.
sic burn. I still have my original VFM badge. This saga is not new to me
Spencer's in it for himself. He doesn't care about anyone, let alone white people.
That is... That is completely inverting the point of the Tower of Babel story. Just... Mind-blowingly ignorant. Talk about whooooooosh.
Or a blatant and willful lie.
Or both, stupid and malevolent aren't mutually exclusive.
See for example: the Morningstar.
We all know where hubris got him.
I didn't just mean not good-looking though that is part of it. He has physical characteristics of low-T and mouth breathing that are indicitave of deeper dysfunctions in the body.
He can be a foot soldier all he wants, but leaders need to be 100 percent.
I worry about Vox starting a shitstorm with him and his followers.
I'm not starting anything. I've been asked about him. I answered.
I remember seeing Richard Spencer standing in front of a crowd during Charlottesville tiki torch rally.
He seriously looked like a psychopath or sociopath.
Its no coincidence that people met unfortunate consequences whilst he managed to remain untouched and unconcerned by those he has failed.
On my twitter feed that is.
Too many people have been taught that Christianity obligates cuckery. Good arguments and good rhetoric refuting this like the ones Vox makes are vital.
He's conflating nations with empires.
I would appreciate it if Vox would address the non-Satanic parts of Spencer's argument, ie, that you can't have a collection of independent nations without one leading each pack. Sam Huntington made that point. Spencer's other point, the organic nature of nations - their rise and fall - also hasn't been addressed.
It seems the ideal of the Alt-retard. Is the All-White Bathhouse.
Super Snake wrote:I especially oppose starting flame wars with Daily Stormer and TRS.
I still like Daily Stormer. I don't read it much, but Anglin is a good satirist and troll for the younger crowd.
A lot of what Spencer does is simply saying what he thinks right now in this moment. He doesn't consider how other people perceive it or if his idea has any merit and is worth perusing. Therefore I'll judge him on it if he continues to spread this Idea in a month or two.
Guys, if Spencer wasn’t controlled/approved would he still be allowed on Twitter?
I especially oppose starting flame wars with Daily Stormer and TRS. They have their issues, but their work is geared more towards the youth, and it's been remarkably effective. Their style appeals to young millennials and GenZ. It's hard for Xers to understand the nuance there cause they didn't grow up with it, no offense intended.
As the target audience, I can confirm that the Daily Stormer can be pretty entertaining. The Cory Booker gay rapist article even got a laugh out of some of my "anti-racist" friends.
But Anglin can be a shockingly dishonest character.
Recently he lied about Jordanetics. He only showed the first sarcastic paragraph of description and pretended Vox is a Jordan Peterson fanboy. I understand he is salty about badly losing the 2017 debate. But what kind of a person would tell such an easily disprovable lie?
Does Anglin have contempt for his audience that he thinks they'll eat the bullshit up and wouldn't check?
Or is he massively exaggerating his influence as you would expect from a dishonest self-promoter. And he feels brave telling such bold lies because he knows not that many people are reading?
Again, I do enjoy their content. But I am dubious about their claimed influence. Their readership cuold just be a small echo chamber for all we know.
Ah, yes, Li’l Dickie Spencer.
This moron almost singlehandedly set the real Alt-Right back at least a decade woth his attempts to become the new Führer of it, just so he could use it as an ad campaign.
Leftoid trust-fund baby with a god complex.
“I’m just better”, indeed.
Asshole.
This moron almost singlehandedly set the real Alt-Right back at least a decade woth his attempts to become the new Führer of it, just so he could use it as an ad campaign.
Guys like Spencer need to be bullied. I used to bully guys like him in school. It's the only way to teach them to know their place and behave themselves.
Look at his helpless expression and behavior after he got punched. Whether literally or figuratively, that is what needs to be done to him frequently.
The same for guys like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson. Bullycide is the answer for these wannabe intelleckshual dweebs.
"The Jewish god effectively sees them as a competitor, right?"
Apparently there is no end to MPAI or biblical illiteracy but it doesn't stop them from pontificating/bloviating. "Competitor" to the Being that has ALL power and authority in the universe!!!?, yeah right. It was God stepping in to save us from ourselves as usual and other strategic reasons as well. "But hey, centralization/communism wasn't done by the ancients right or in the 20th century either, but in the 21st century they are smart and have cell phones and stuff so all you have to do is relabel it globalism and it will work this time!"
AvocadoBob wrote:This moron almost singlehandedly set the real Alt-Right back at least a decade
Yeah, you're never going to win that battle. Whether you like it or not, the "alt-right" is now forever associated with characters like DOCTOR David Duke, Dick Spencer, and Matt Heimbach. It's a dead brand.
Not that it matters. Nationalism is an unstoppable force that is rising regardless. The "alt-right" is dead, but the idea of nationalism is stronger than ever.
Nevermind the fact that said "competitor" even stated pretty clearly thousands of years ahead of time what they were going to do AND how they are going fail and they STILL follow the script to a "T", hello NPC's.
MPAI, MPAI, MPAI.
Whenever Vox mentions Spencer I feel sorry that he needs to waste mental energy on the guy.
Lurker wrote:Apparently there is no end to MPAI or biblical illiteracy
Anti-Christian biblical illiteracy is rampant in alt-right circles. PragerU didn't have it all wrong when they accused the alt-right of being anti-Christian (of course, PragerU is also anti-Christian, but that's beside the point). Because outside of Vox Day brand of alt-right, it pretty much is. Richard Spencer and his Heelturn buddies are anti-Christian. The TRS flagship shows are all hosted by biblically illiterate nihilists who crack jokes about "kike on a stick." Anglin, at best, pays mere lip service to some form of Christianity, sometimes, when he's not busy bashing it for being weak and unable to defend Western civilization. The Hitlerists certainly don't hold Christianity in high esteem and the pagan LARPing alt-righters are downright open enemies of Christianity.
The alt-right has always been predominately a secular movement.
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The Alt Right has been twisted beyond recognition by neo pagans and actual, real world, racists who hate those who do not share their DNA. As soon as these buck toothed Wotan worshippers started taking positions of influence in the Alt Right, I knew it was time to jump ship.
I have heard Vox denounce the Alt Retard, but it seems the alt retards have taken over the planation. Whatever the Alt Right is today, it is definitely not what I am. I am a Christian, I believe that all are made in the image of God and Christ came to save white, black, yellow and every shade in between - I also believe in Nationhood. A movement that hates Christ is a movement that deserves to end up in the dust bin of history which is where it will eventually end.
Rikko wrote:A movement that hates Christ is a movement that deserves to end up in the dust bin of history which is where it will eventually end.
Yep.
Super Snake wrote:He has already hit his peak. Over the course of 2014-2017 I believe he brought many people into the far right and white identity through his publicity stunts and unique perspective. But I doubt many people are being awakened through him anymore. He has overstayed his welcome.
Even at his peak, it's debatable how influential he was. I'm sure he did bring some people over. He also succeeded in destroying the lives of a number of young people through his narcissistic recklessness. And unless the people he did bring over have since left the blackpilled, anti-Trump, goon-infested cesspit he currently wallows in, they're useless to us anyway.
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Just saw a credit commercial where the guy quoted the long version of MPAI. Maybe VD could copyright it before it goes viral?
“Civilization is in a race between education and MPAI. Let us learn the truth and spread it as far and wide as our circumstances allow. For the truth is the greatest weapon we have.”
― H. G. Wells
Fixed!
somewhat on topic, it looks like China may be cycling back to one of their racist, anti-foreigner phases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrzJcnK_c-4
My "abortion supporter = evil and/or stupid" heuristic remains perfectly accurate. (Although here in the comments we had Spencer pegged as leftist plant at least two years ago.)
Spencer has been an outspoken supporter of abortion all along, although he prefers that black and hispanic and down syndrome babies be aborted more than healthy white babies. Heres his video titled "Why Tomi Lahren is right about abortion"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptelwe26SHk&feature=youtu.be&bpctr=1546573118
My impression of Spencer is that he's a guy who read Nietzsche in college, went "Whoa!", and stopped most of his intellectual growth right there. Spencer's alternative right webzine and Counter Currents both emerged around the same time, and one of the key features of both is a subtle but deep anti-Christianity. They have no real understanding of Christianity beyond "Rome against Judea!" and "muh slave morality!" These are now "alt right" talking points. It's one more way to keep people away from the real Western tradition. If the gay disco doesn't entice them, give them runes and We Wuz Vikangz.
@86 Chinese never stopped being racist. It's just they value internal stability and mercantalism (less money going overseas) than inviting foreign investment and tech transfers, and are leaning that way.
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Spencer is controlled "opposition". A greasy tool of the Deep State.
His family have been long time friends of the Bush family.
https://altrightexposedblog.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/richard-spencer-confirmed-as-deep-state-plant/
"Nations and states are born, they live, they flourish, they decay and die. And we can't just freeze the world as it is now and say nothing ever changes from here on out. No, we believe in an organic view of society. There is going to be life, and death, and decay, and victory, and defeat."
Kind of like cells, huh? Guess what. Larger cells die too. Argument where? He doesn't seem to understand that even larger bodies, if and when they are desirable, are still composed of necessarily discrete cells.
Well, China going back to being China. What is remarkable for me is how few people can grasp the obvious. That being that this was the likely outcome. Back on their feet and they are going to start being assertive. The ordinary thing. Our current behavior is the behavior that is unusual.
@43- Not a globalist, but a "hegemonic power bloc"-ist. (Oceania at war with Eastasia and/or Eurasia.) Which isn't much better.
He's definitely to the left of me, and I think to the left of mainstream politics.
Satanic maybe. But those who mock believers with "ooh, the Tower of Babel or whatever" probably just haven't put much thought into religion.
@61- Yes, physiognomy is about judging character by appearance. It's not about bone structure or whatever would make the best possible Spencer in a perfect world handsome. It's about everything that goes into the way people look in general.
"Competition creates progress. Lack of competition ensures that our global government will be lording it over serfs as our infrastructure dies."
Ding! There's the other part of the equation. The fastest way to ensure local entropy wins is to force everyone into one closed system, one government, forever.
"sic burn. I still have my original VFM badge. This saga is not new to me"
And yet you fear the flames. Badge is nice, but did you fail to maintain the fire retardant outfit it's supposed to be attached to?
@74- Peterson was bullied, though, wasn't he? I remember something about him being chased around bike racks.
@83- I have been in the dissident right long before that period, and I never heard Richard Spencer's name before that "hail victory" nonsense. Or if I had, I forgot it.
Turns out I had read some essays from a book by his outfit, and I remember being put off by things like defending abortion and objecting to calling illegal immigrants invaders.
I like how Arts of Dark and Light illustrates the principal that every soul can be saved while also simultaneously demonstrating that this doesn’t mean that different groups should be in the same space. Churches would be helped immensely by a purge of those preaching that its bad fo not want to live around orcs. This rubs those of us who’ve had the misfortune at some point in their lives entirely the wrong way.
"Interesting that everybody on the alt-right is anti-Christian and doesn't know anything about Christianity"
@John Best
You mean the Alt-Retard.
"He certainly showed his true colors with this one. He's a Nietzschean and a Darwinist"
@Gen. Kong
I wonder if Spencer is into Jordanetics as well.
Tell him to stop talking enthusiastically about the Tower of Babel, for one thing. What's next, publicly embracing the Number of the Beast and getting his hand and forehead chipped?
Trial balloon?
"While there is a place for Non-Christians in our movement"
@electricsheeple
I'd argue not even that. For the Boy Scouts, the camel's nose in their tent was allowing atheists in. And since atheists are overwhelmingly leftist, it brought in an SJW cancer that killed the organization.
@Garuna
Anglin is a Gamma, which explains most of his behavior by itself.
@86: Yes, foreigners are not needed in China. Nor are they needed in America ...
spencer rox
vox?
Hi Vox, I am Joachim Hoch, the producer of the show you quoted from and a former reader of yours. I appreciate you promoting our show, having once been a big fan of yours it truly means a lot. However I find your critique of Richard and of my channel to be unfair and frankly below your intellectual level. Perhaps you could come on and talk to Richard or myself and defend your critique? We will be doing a show tomorrow night at 830PM EST and would love to have you as a guest.
TFW your JewHate is so strong you intentionally misunderstand the point of one of the most iconic Bible stories.
Unknown wrote:Hi Vox, I am Joachim Hoch, the producer of the show you quoted from and a former reader of yours. I appreciate you promoting our show, having once been a big fan of yours it truly means a lot. However I find your critique of Richard and of my channel to be unfair and frankly below your intellectual level. Perhaps you could come on and talk to Richard or myself and defend your critique? We will be doing a show tomorrow night at 830PM EST and would love to have you as a guest.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Hi Vox, I am Joachim Hoch, the producer of the show you quoted from and a former reader of yours. I appreciate you promoting our show, having once been a big fan of yours it truly means a lot. However I find your critique of Richard and of my channel to be unfair and frankly below your intellectual level. Perhaps you could come on and talk to Richard or myself and defend your critique? "
Doesnt say what he disagrees with, or where the critique goes wrong, backhanded compliment about intelligence, and a very blatant dig.
Smells very gamma.
"Never forget," eh Vox? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Dinesh D'sousa has exposed Spencer in his movie. Spencer is a basic commie.
Joachim, you're not smart enough to understand Vox's criticisms. He wrote extensively explaining himself on this blog, yet you skip over it, plead ignorance, and shill for your show. Shameful.
ocean of condescension wrote:I would appreciate it if Vox would address the non-Satanic parts of Spencer's argument, ie, that you can't have a collection of independent nations without one leading each pack.
It's retarded. Seriously, "destroy the village to save it" retarded.
You want to be a more powerful nation? Great! Cultivate your people, develop their strengths, and hang the crooks.
You cannot become a powerful nation by becoming a multi-national empire -- which is to say, by ceasing to be a nation. That doesn't even make sense! It is the quick and easy path to power, and predictably leads to self-destruction.
Can you name a living ethnic Roman? Because I can't; they conquered their way into effective extinction. Their names and ideas and aqueducts remain, but their DNA is dilute; and their culture, language, and religion are dead, dead, dead.
A imperialist is a statist, and of necessity an anti-nationalist -- an enemy of all peoples, but especially his own.
@115- Their language was still alive relatively recently, if in an attenuated form. But that was thanks to the Church (somewhat thanks to classical education, but that was more of a hobby language). Which I take it would not please Spencer.
Hi Vox, I am Joachim Hoch, the producer of the show you quoted from and a former reader of yours. I appreciate you promoting our show, having once been a big fan of yours it truly means a lot. However I find your critique of Richard and of my channel to be unfair and frankly below your intellectual level. Perhaps you could come on and talk to Richard or myself and defend your critique? We will be doing a show tomorrow night at 830PM EST and would love to have you as a guest.
Richard had his chance to defend himself when Ethan Ralph proposed a debate between the two of us and I accepted. He chose not to accept Ethan's invitation, so I have no interest in speaking to him.
And while I appreciate the invitation to the show, I no longer do media or new media interviews.
tublecane wrote:@20- Night and day can also be found comparing Spencer to his supposed major influence: Paul Gottfried. He's still alive, right?
I have noticed lately these Pagan Pan-White Imperialists going after paleoconservatism in particular. Which I thought maybe was supposed to be their word for all of failed conservatism, but I don't know. What is the beef? Especially considering one could accurately describe Gottfried as paleocon.
Much of it stems from beef between Nick Fuentes and Richard Spencer. Fuentes is a young, silver-tongued Catholic, paleocon, who earned the moniker Nick The Knife from previous debates.
Because they broke the national identity by first importing white immigrants from outside England and accepting that they were just as American as the real Americans.
I understand your sentiments, but let's have a reality check. New York was settled by the Dutch. There were so many Germans in early America that German was nearly made the language of government.
Yes, our government system is English in origin, but America was never an ethnically homogenous English nation.
@115
Huge art of the reason why China has remained for such a long time. Given their scarce imperialism. Being deinterested generally in conquest.
Yes, our government system is English in origin, but America was never an ethnically homogenous English nation.
Exceptions do not disprove rules and the Germans and Dutch had almost nothing to do with the American revolution. Or did they fight additional revolutions against the German and Dutch governments? How many American revolutions were there, anyhow?
Your "reality check" is both obvious and borderline retarded. Don't do that.
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There's conquest, and there's imperialism. The latter includes believing in such things as that inside every wog is a secret admirer of Thomas Jefferson who is yearning to vote Republican and attend a Christian church. The former is more realistic.
Richard who?
the China thing isn't significant because "Chinese be racist, yo!" that's always been true.
the salient is THE CHANGE in public policy and interpersonal comity. especially given that this is, in large part, being driven by a change in OFFICIAL PARTY DOCTRINE.
this could easily have knock on effects, such as an Honor society talking themselves into a corner and having to go to war or sink a carrier.
You know, there really are some parallels between imperialists/globalists and homosexuals/pedophiles. Both sets are either congenitally deranged or were malformed/damaged as children. Both seek to misery-loves-company destroy the healthy. Both seek to spread their deviance.
Disease leads to disease, evil propagates evil.
This moron is dating an open SJW leftist.
Ryan Faulk (The Alternative Hypothesis) did an excellent critique of Richard Spencer and the ridiculous things he says and does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcmhybk2czg&t=2181s
Looks like they agree with you over on Luke Ford's livestream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBPwJfas3s4
I argued that Spencer is an imperialist in this piece:
http://andreaweekly.blogspot.com/2018/10/wanna-be-sith-lord-richard-spencer.html
I wouldn't even call it satanic. It's too infantile and childish for that. Spencer invokes Schmitt and Nietzsche but his real inspirations are Batman movies, Star Wars, and 007. Because he lacks a sense of humanism, he has a Harry-Lime-like tendency to see humans as just extras in his grand opera that is looking more and more like a circus.
The Tower of Babel was before Jacob/Isreal.
It was after Shem, but before Isreal.
Calling it non-Jewish is a non starter, and it's interesting that he tries to force that fact in the story.
SciVo wrote:Can you name a living ethnic Roman? Because I can't; they conquered their way into effective extinction. Their names and ideas and aqueducts remain, but their DNA is dilute; and their culture, language, and religion are dead, dead, dead.
you're a fucking retard.
VFM #7191 wrote:pudgy and oozes physical weakness. He's a typical trust fund brat.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLZLZLZL another fucking retard with (((VFM)))) on his forehead- subdermal lobotomy chipped and all. do you know you just described the ugly faggot who owns this blog? a fraud who has posted about being an alpha non-churchian for 15+ years? LLOZZLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
VD wrote:I'm not starting anything. I've been asked about him. I answered.
LOZZZZLZOLOLOLOLOL you're so weak you fucking retard. you are a parasite. spencer probably sucks satanic cock, but he's still just as fake as you. still just as churchian as you. tragically, he's far better educated than your dumb hick churchian zionist homeschooled sola scripture fake ass. you really had to attach yourself to dick spencer now that your syphilitic jordanetics campaign got laughed at?
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this whole thing is just two (((anglo churchian poofers))) crying over shit tea and stale crumpets. fuck you nerd; richard needs rome and he knows it; delete this comment now (((vox)))!
who would you rather have around your children?
>richard spencer's shitlib cover gf
>vox gay's drunk at 9am tweeting out batshit insane sola scripture cover gf
take the 3rd position, you faggggz
Here come the childless incel reichtards.
Community service announcement: Don't touch the poop.
@VD
Is the goal of recreating nationalist ethnostates realistic for countries that have been massively invaded such as the US, UK or France?
If yes, care to speculate on "how"?
Attacking the alt right, especially on anti-christian beliefs, seems so wrong to me; you might as well attack /pol/ for their christ on a stick memes. Guys like spencer, trs, and anglin have done a lot for uniting all the pagan larpers in the movement, who are dissastisfied with the only christianity they are exposed to, with the hardcore christians in it. Im orthodox christian and noticed there are a lot of us in the movement whod rather stand side by side with so-called wodanites than some suicide preaching protestant.
These pagans who think paganism somehow supports traditional values are closer to actual christianity than most modern day so-called chtisitians. Id rather stand with them in the fight for survival than 99% of those I see practicing western christianity: our values in practice are just closer. Attacking them, or aethiests or whomever who share our beliefs is baffling to me.
It really makes you think.
aaah typical brat, just as i always noticed from him that he never was a real nationalist but a nationalist for "white" people only, the others? either he wants them to be slave or just exterminated. and of course my own homeland won't allow that. most of the people here want to leave the EU.
@135 they're just a larping pagan, they're atheist in a pagan suit. they never even believe all of those myths, they believe in divine power BUT he doesn't want to worship other god that different from their ancestors, they even don't want to pursue truth, just by honest TRUTH only. i've been in that path long time ago, i already found the truth and it's neither those pagan claim to be.
(continue @135) dude i've contact pretty much a lot of them from social media and IRL here's the thing he fucking hate us lol pretty much the "odinist" worshiper really fucking hate us. what i get from them is that they just always pissed off about everything. i've only met ONE wodan woshipper that actually a very good person and i really take his faith pretty much seriously, the rest of them? well not so much, and i still won't lump them into one. also the thing is that i only despise people who doesn't really take their faith and practice it seriously just like those neopagan pretty much do. don't talk about the prots, they aren't the same as the olden days, they're just so fucking corrupt BUT i met a lot of them that still want the traditional back again. also you know about pastor anderson, yeah he's wild but fucking awesome just like the old prots of america back pre 50s lol also don't forget to always be smart around those neopagans, if anything happen they will likely to abandon you, just look what happen to the charlottesville that's why there's the "ironybros" kind of created or gained its' foothold.
@86
I'd take Everything Serpentza says with a massive grain of salt. He's a rootless opportunistic globalist high school dropout who has no problem with China suppressing churches but still whines that they need to be more multicultural so that they can make it easier for foreigners like him to get citizenship. In fact, the only time he criticizes the CCP is when their actions contradict their globalist masters.
Alt-right neo-paganism is a costume party for right-wing atheists. They don't know what their pre-Christian Germanic ancestors believed since they didn't leave us written accounts of ancient pagan rites. They're making everything up.
What does someone who is half Polish and half Irish believe? The pre-Christian religions were tribal. And even if you're 100% Irish or 100% Polish, it's still hard to know what to believe, because there were different tribes living in modern day Poland and Ireland 2000 years ago.
Exceptions do not disprove rules and the Germans and Dutch had almost nothing to do with the American revolution.
I wasn't talking about the revolution.
The post I was responding to said that white immigrants were imported into America from outside Britain. That is false, they were already here at the time the revolution happened.
America was virtually always a Pan-European place. The English were dominant in government, but there were always other segments of white population. In the case of Germans, a vast number, such that today German is the largest white ancestry in America.
I'll assume you smoke crack, dont understand physiognomy, or understand absolutely nothing about women.
For whatever faults or dumb flights of fancy he cooks up in his brain, week to week, Spencer is HOT. He has excellent facial structure and lovely Aryan Male features.
I know tons of far leftist chicks who even fantasize about him constantly.
Or, "Alt retard," a "faggot," "a loser," "a Fed/CIA/gvmt plant," or whatever other silliness.
I dont understand why people can't disagree with going full on childishness and team picking.
A serious turn off.
"Despises God," hmmm, that's weird. He refers to himself as a "lapsed Christian, unfortuntely."
Maybe you all should be trying to get him to renew his faith instead of attacking him.
Then why is constantly talking about what we need to do for the less, educated, low IQ poor in the country?
I'll fully admit his elitism rubs me the wrong way, I am just way more uncomfortable with people who tell untruths.
I find this kind of bashing to be a huge turn off and I'm not alone.
You've never seen him in shorts with his shirt off, I guess, lol. Besides, you're bashing him from gaining a few lbs and getting pudgy in his late 40s? Lol.
You guys pick the silliest things to critique people on. Maybe Weev can join up with you guys and y'all can all read the Bible and bash Richard Spencer together. 🙄
This. This right here, ^^^ is a HUGE turn off, along with implying people are Feds and homosexuals, on this site, and many others.
How about everyone keeping their mouths shut if they dislike a comment from someone who votes the same way as yourself and has many of the same beliefs, and concentrating on the REAL issues?
Why would Spencer get banned from Twitter? Maybe you should go read his thread history, he NEVER says offensive stuff or goes after ppl.
Try it yourself and maybe YOUR aacts won't be banned, as well.
Yeah. That's why The Right Stuff sponsor a religious podcast called The Godcast on their site.
Because they all hate God. 😔
Many other podcasters on the site are Christian, as well, so this is just childishness and lack of information.
No true and Vox should ban you from the site for dishonesty. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to spread lies.
You cannot even recognize an honest offer to explain a position, without calling someone a Gamma.
How sad is that??
Please. This obvious fact makes to much sense to some of the cultist, low IQ commenters here who just want to suck up to Vox because he's smart. It's kinda gross, these poor self-esteem nerds who call everyone else a gamma and spend their days trying to bite off of Vox's shine.
I miss reading the comments here when Vox carefully cultivated it and the people posting were just the highly intelligent cream of the crop sort.
"the people posting were just the highly intelligent cream of the crop sort."
So, when you were reading rather than commenting?
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It got really dumb when they started talking Babel. Talk about mono mania.
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