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Tuesday, January 15, 2019

Advertisement as diversity lecture

Why is Gillette lecturing white American men about social justice and the evils of masculinity?
Gillette is learning most people don’t want moral lessons from their razors after experiencing a colossal backlash against an ad they ran condemning “toxic masculinity.” As of Monday evening, the clip had over 122,000 dislikes and counting on YouTube (a 1:10 like:dislike ratio), with negative comments accumulating faster than they can be removed.
Diversity would be why:
Gillette is “aiming to inspire change by acknowledging that the old saying ‘Boys Will Be Boys’ is not an excuse,” Gillette’s North American brand director Pankaj Bhalla told the Wall Street Journal. “We want to hold ourselves to a higher standard, and hope all the men we serve will come along on that journey to find our ‘best’ together.”
Meanwhile, Congressional Republicans prove, as if yet another proof was needed, that Republicans are the Stupid Party:
House GOP leaders moved Monday to remove Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) from all of his committee assignments following a firestorm over remarks considered racist. King faced bipartisan criticism after telling The New York Times in an interview published last week, "White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?”

King had been a member of the House Judiciary, Agriculture and Small Business committees. He had also served as chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution and Civil Justice in the last Congress, and could have stood to serve as its ranking member under the Democratic majority.
Do the House GOP leaders truly not understand that whites are the only people who vote for Republicans in large numbers? Do they seriously not understand that Republicans are NEVER, EVER going to win the La Razan, the Vibrancy, the Diversity, or the Neo-Palestinian votes, no matter how many anti-white self-flagellating theatrics they put on display?

The fact is that Rep. King is absolutely right. No civilization can be restored with another people's children. Immigration is invasion and diversity is the death of Western civilization. Without the European peoples, without Christianity, or without the Greco-Roman philosophical tradition, Western civilization cannot and will not survive.

However, Rep. King was also criminally stupid to sit down for an interview with The New York Times. What did he think was going to happen? DO NOT TALK TO THE MEDIA! How hard is that? How many times do stupidly vain men and women of the Right need to learn that they simply should not talk to the media UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES whatsoever.

It doesn't matter if you very cleverly record the interview. It doesn't matter what the nominal topic is. It doesn't matter if you are a freaking CONGRESSMAN and you release an official statement from your office to set the record straight, a statement that makes it clear you did not ever say what the media falsely claims you said.

This is precisely why I never, ever, talk to the media about anything anymore. Not even about completely apolitical subjects relating to books I have written, games I have designed, or comics I have published. Since November, I have probably turned down over 50 media and new media requests for interviews about Jordanetics alone, and about a dozen more concerning our claims and the class-action claims against Indiegogo. Stefan Molyneux had it right all along.

DO. NOT. TALK. TO. THE. MEDIA.

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135 Comments:

Blogger Harambe January 15, 2019 6:31 AM  

In their defense, it's not like any other civilization before ours have ever let in scores of foreigners who turned around and pillaged everything in sight that we could learn from.

Blogger Thad tuiol January 15, 2019 6:36 AM  

Grow beards, big fuck-off beards, and tell Gillette to go F themselves

Blogger wahr01 January 15, 2019 6:42 AM  

The topic of King's transgressions against the Democrat Media Complex is irrelevant. The fact that the house GOP are still bending the knee to them as if they're moral superiors is the problem

It's clear we did not purge enough cucks in the primaries and midterms.

Blogger McChuck January 15, 2019 6:43 AM  

First they came for the Proud Boys, and I said nothing. http://stonetoss.com/comic/first-they-came-for-the-fascists/

The purpose of an ad agency is to sell the product. What product are they selling? http://stonetoss.com/comic/burger-kang/

Blogger Man of the Atom January 15, 2019 6:43 AM  

As expected, Globalist Mittens punches right against Steve King.

Blogger Man of the Atom January 15, 2019 6:54 AM  

Since Gillette is a subsidiary of Proctor & Gamble, there are a host of attack vectors for money denial.

Anonymous Anonymous January 15, 2019 6:58 AM  

When people like Mitt can no longer safely walk the streets, we will know that America is great again.

Blogger Dirtnapninja January 15, 2019 7:00 AM  

Notice the name of the brand director for Gillette.

High caste Indians will take over from the Jews as the leaders of the left. But they wont be as good at it.

Blogger pyrrhus January 15, 2019 7:02 AM  

"Gillette’s North American brand director Pankaj Bhalla", from a country where slavery is legal and you have to step around bodies lying in the street, lectures Americans about civilization.....Sure

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 15, 2019 7:05 AM  

Current count: Down Votes - 247k, Up Votes - 33k

Blogger wahr01 January 15, 2019 7:12 AM  

@10

They keep censoring the downvotes as they pile on. It was nearly 264 when I last looked at it.
Soon they'll go "full bernie" and just drop the downvote count to 0.
They've already deleted some 20,000 critical responses.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 15, 2019 7:12 AM  

Pankaj Bhalla...take a look at this guy's face. I don't think he's ever had to shave in his life.

There's Gamma and then there's Indian Gamma.

Blogger Rhys January 15, 2019 7:15 AM  

I'm consistently appalled by the intention to demonize the phrase "boys will be boys".

I have heard the phrase many times. Every single time, it was referring to a young boy eating a cricket, or making fart sounds, or doing some other silly activity. It's nothing more than an attempt to vilify the innocent rambunctiousness of young boys. I was once a young boy who had the phrase directed at me. I distinctly recall those days as a time of limitless potential, creativity, curiosity, and adventure.

To loathe that so much you want to destroy it through the use of forced drug addiction is a level of evil that words can never do justice.

Blogger The Cooler January 15, 2019 7:15 AM  

Like all mega-corporations, Proctor & Gamble have been loading their products with endocrine disputors
for decades.

Can't imagine why.

Stop buying this shit.

Blogger The Scribe January 15, 2019 7:27 AM  

I'm hoping Steve King holds out against this.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 15, 2019 7:28 AM  

Allegedly, this was a comment to which Gillette replied after up-voting it.

Dash Attack
My Wife's son loved this. Thank you!

Gillette (verification check)
Happy to hear he enjoyed it! And thank YOU for watching!

Blogger Gregory the Great January 15, 2019 7:32 AM  

Gillette will also open a chain of depilation studios for men called "Divine Buddy". Graciously enough they will be open not only to trans-, but also to cis-males, but these will have to pay 20 percent more to fund discounts for the LGBT-minority (aka the Leaky-Gut-and-Butt-Traumatized).

Blogger CarpeOro January 15, 2019 7:38 AM  

They've outsourced management to India, have they done the same with manufacturing yet? Gillette used to be my last resort when traveling (I use an electric razor for the area I do shave), easy enough to use whatever cheaper alternative there is to it.

Don't like the phrase "boys will be boys" because they prefer "boys will be girls and girls will be boys", and neither will flock to buy their woke product.

Steve King - yes, the reason I still can't call myself a Republican. I just don't wake up in the morning feeling like shooting myself.

Blogger 100% American January 15, 2019 7:39 AM  

In honor of Gillette's stupidity, I am celebrating 'toxic masculinity.' My husband and I are watching "The Dirty Dozen."

I'd be speaking German now if it weren't for strong men who did what needed to be done during WWII. Or against the British in 1773. Thank God for real men.

Blogger SciVo January 15, 2019 7:39 AM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:High caste Indians will take over from the Jews as the leaders of the left. But they wont be as good at it.

Well, it looks like they have a Jewish ad agency, so this is more of a preview of future collaborations in anti-American propaganda. Not a passing of the baton.

Blogger SouthRon January 15, 2019 7:44 AM  

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Blogger John Doe03526 January 15, 2019 7:46 AM  

Seems like the culture is reaching a tipping point. Cultural marxism with household products. Maybe they've overreached and we now see the counter-revolution?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 15, 2019 7:49 AM  

Got to admit they do a good job of shit testing us into the usual feckless self destructive outrage script.

To me the Gillette idiocy looks like an opportunity to shit poast for fun and kicks, I have no doubt in my cynical mind that the Pajeet and his Jewish chicky sidekick really really deep down within their little souls want to be gang banged by an idealized version of a SS death squad.

Sorry bros we are in a feminized era, logic and reason are wonderful within the tribe but outside the tribe we are dealing with a world of sorority chicks or backwards bug worshipping superstitious heathens.

Blogger Stilicho January 15, 2019 7:53 AM  

@Cataline, I believe the phrase you're looking for is "pillow biter".

Blogger Gregory the Great January 15, 2019 7:57 AM  

@23 Gillette just as Jordan Peterson when taken seriously may be able to greatly increase human suffering. The upside is that they are also a source for joy and laughter as they enable us to transcend our misery by "shit-posting for fun and kicks".

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 15, 2019 8:07 AM  

Misery is being shit tested and failing and the Right does nothing but fail in that regard.

Maintaining the Frame, Reframing the issue, and qualifying your antagonist that is dominance and frankly looking and reading what the Pajeet and the Jewish princess have written they most certainly want to be dominated.

Conservatives of course will work within their frame, accept their moral dominance and in the end it will be a truecon pillow biting exercise with stern promises that our genius intellectuals will do better next time.

Blogger Peaceful Poster January 15, 2019 8:13 AM  

@16 - My Wife's son loved this. Thank you!

Nice.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) January 15, 2019 8:17 AM  

So somebody named Pankaj Bhalla turns out to be out of touch with North American men. Who could have guessed that?

Hey Gillette, can I be your Japanese brand director? I'm not Japanese, never been to Japan and know almost nothing about the culture. Pretty sure I meet all your qualifications.

Blogger basementhomebrewer January 15, 2019 8:21 AM  

@27 @16 - My Wife's son loved this. Thank you!

Nice.


It's a bit of a hollow victory though. Pajeet hired his cousin who was struggling to just translate the English. There is no way he was going to pick up the context.

Blogger One Deplorable DT January 15, 2019 8:27 AM  

Gillette’s North American brand director Pankaj Bhalla...

He has to go back.

DO. NOT. TALK. TO. THE. MEDIA.

One of these days I hope Vox tells us how he really feels about talking to the media.

Reminder: Gillette is owned by Procter and Gamble. Lots of products to never buy again.

Blogger tz January 15, 2019 8:28 AM  

Gillette wants you to use gender appropriate razors, or maybe their "venus" series that are basically identical except one is pink and costs more.

A quick check on Amazon - I should also check Walmart.com shows it hasn't changed.

So Gilette still charges more for razors targeted at women, while virtue signalling.

Real men use straight razors. Many carry them with them at all times, you just don't know when a street fight will turn into a close shave.

Short Proctology and Gillette, long Harry's and Dollar Shave Club.

Blogger Ann January 15, 2019 8:28 AM  

They tried to do that to my son in grade school. He had too much vital energy for the wan female teachers, plus one of them was spraying hair spray in her classroom and those chemicals could agitate anyone. The point is we, his parents, refused to let them medicate him. He was a boy who could focus like a laser beam on things that interested him. He could listen for hours to stories of adventure. Finally a wise teacher with sons of her own suggested he be given a giant ball to sit on at his desk. And then sports came along and he could battle and train everyday so he was happy.

Now, following a concussion in college sports, he has dropped out after 1.5 years. He seems lost. Before college, he tried to enroll in the army but was rejected due to one bad eye. Most of the masculine pursuits he'd like to pursue---military, law, aviation--are closed to him. His father wants to push him into the trades--current wisdom, I realize, but our son has become fascinated with rap, with this battle rap I didn't even know was a thing. He shuts himself up in his room writing lyrics and shares his rhymes with me all the time. I gave him Lord Byron's "Don Juan" to read.

I am trying hard not to lose my maternal marbles, trying not to shriek at him "that's not our culture!" But I sense he already has assessed the culture around him and perhaps instinctively knows what to do to dominate. (He is fierce and fearless and pugnacious.) He has said to me, "Mom, you don't understand how important music is to my generation! This is what everyone listens to!" I said, then please think about who you are and what we represent. Think about what our civilization has built. How can he, so young, realize what is at stake? I see it but I read Voxday.

I have told him to use his powers to inspire other boys. Build them up. The idea of political rap appeals to him. He'll be crucified, I know--if his father doesn't kill him first. But dad is right. He needs to work and write the rap lyrics on the side. If his creativity can survive the workaday world, then there's something really there.


Blogger James Pyrich January 15, 2019 8:32 AM  

Tempted to grow a beard out of spite.

Blogger tz January 15, 2019 8:33 AM  


You there, stop harassing that poor woman!

Don't you know women are weak and emotionally oversensitive! That they swoon into their fainting couch if you merely say the wrong word causing triggerlepsy? and the soy boy men are just as bad? Be chivalrous and treat them as the poor, weak kittens that they are - "I am woman hear me mew, as my eyes fill up with dew, I heard something very triggering.".


Does Gillette realize eunuchs don't shave?

Blogger One Deplorable DT January 15, 2019 8:35 AM  

@16 - I saw that post and reply yesterday. Didn't think to take a screenshot of it, unfortunately.

@21 - it's not Safari. Has to be one of your plugins.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 15, 2019 8:50 AM  

@20
Well, it looks like they have a Jewish ad agency,

Kinda like tech -- Overseas Israelis amd high-caste pajeets working together to attack the white man. More:

https://www.voat.co/v/politics/2973676

Gillette ad created by (((Debby Reiner))) (Harvard/CEO) of Grey Global Group (New York), founded by Jewish Valenstein & Fatt, a current very prominent media advocate of diversity.

https://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/03/28/grey-takes-the-name-its-jewish-founders-spearhead-5-point-diversity-plan

Grey takes on the name of its Jewish founders to spearhead 5-point diversity plan

http://grey.com/us/about/leadership/debby-reiner/434

(((DEBBY REINER)))
CEO, Grey New York
Debby Reiner
Debby has been a part of Grey’s success for over 20 years helping to build and shape the agency with her leadership on a number of accounts. She was recognized for these contributions and became the first ever CEO of Grey New York in December, 2016.

Blogger wahr01 January 15, 2019 8:50 AM  

A tangential side-note:

You can now compare the ratio from YouTube to the one on Gillette's tweet to see just how much censorship and exclusion of average people's perspectives is happening on twitter.

Jack has literally inverted reality on that site.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 15, 2019 9:02 AM  

while most of the voters who call themselves Democrats say that Democratic officials represent them well, only a fourth of the voters who identify themselves as Republicans tell pollsters that Republican officeholders represent them well.

In short, the ruling class has a party, the Democrats. But some two-thirds of Americans — a few Democratic voters, most Republican voters, and all independents — lack a vehicle in electoral politics.


https://spectator.org/39326_americas-ruling-class-and-perils-revolution/

Worse (FAR WORSE) now than when published in 2010, because we've had an additional eight years of exactly what Codevilla described as the Progressive Establishment's modus operandi.

This essay was penned in 2010, in the shadow of the scariest financial/economic (AKA social mood) decline since the 1930's. What ensued was, if graphed, nothing short of a mania-within-a-mania, a social mood blow-off rally that mirrors the NASDAQ COMP in 1999 and Q1 2000. Political dissatisfaction all but went back to sleep, with but the Trump Election (and he's hardly in Steve King's camp of recognizing reality, or is savvier in keeping it to himself) the first sign that the trend change in imminent.

I believe the world goes by itself, responding in no significant way to attempts to steer it. For this reason, I sincerely hope that Oct. 3rd was THE top of the mania, for once this hangover sets in HARD, only then will the plurality of people who are victimized by the Political Establishment rise up from their stupor and either politically slaughter the Democrat-Lite GOP or go the full route to war not-by-other-means.

Blogger PFrank January 15, 2019 9:03 AM  

"Y'all making 2020 way easier for me."

I've been buying Gilette razors without much thought for years. Time to explore alternatives.

Blogger JG January 15, 2019 9:05 AM  

Anyone know what the real agenda of this law against genocide that the God Emperor just signed...

www.timesofisrael.com/trump-signs-into-law-genocide-prevention-act-named-for-elie-wiesel/

Blogger dc.sunsets January 15, 2019 9:07 AM  

@36 This provides the data I assumed existed behind Madison Avenue's latest open propaganda in favor of faggots, white girls with black boys, and otherwise open push for All Things LEFT-CULT Progressive.

The imposition of P.C. has no logical end because feeling better about one’s self by confessing other people’s sins, humiliating and hurting them, is an addictive pleasure the appetite for which grows with each satisfaction. The more fault I find in thee, the holier (or, at least, the trendier) I am than thou. The worse you are, the better I am and the more power I should have over you. America’s ruling class seems to have adopted the view that the rest of America should be treated as inmates in reeducation camps.

https://spectator.org/39326_americas-ruling-class-and-perils-revolution/

Blogger Johnny January 15, 2019 9:09 AM  

I don't think there is a generic term for it. It is identity but not in the political area. I don't know, identity products? Identity marketing? You sell the customer on the idea that a particular kind of person uses their product, and thus people who think of themselves like that will be more likely to use your product than otherwise.

Gillette is company that has done it with great success in the past. They stole customers from straight razer shaving by portraying their product as very masculine, like the Marlboro Man in cigarettes. Apparently the product has been dropped, but I used to occasionally notice overly plump young ladies smoking Virginia Slims cigarettes.

What is wrong with corporate management is that the Board of Directors is supposed to ride herd on the primary officers of the company, and for a long time now they have not been doing it.

>>Well, it looks like they have a Jewish ad agency,... That is what I suspect goes on a lot. Not so much that the management wants to push the SJW stuff, as a management that either is not politically aware or asleep at the switch, and they let the ad agency covertly sneak it in.

Blogger LES January 15, 2019 9:17 AM  

The good ol’ days.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 15, 2019 9:19 AM  

It is stupid boomers in both cases. Steve King and Gillette. The last andi saw for Gillette touted their manufacturing in the northeast, and that many of their employees have been with the company for decades. How does the ad campaign change that quickly? Was there a management or board shakeup? Don't think so.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 15, 2019 9:19 AM  

@32 The greatest thing that holds back men (and women, probably) is lack of self-discipline. All things that are worthwhile require toughing through the boring preliminaries, from studying math and reading/writing (which is all about learning to organize thought, not about becoming an actuary or a story editor) or learning to play the piano after toughing through learning the boring scales and habituating the hands and fingers to translate sheet music autonomically (via System One cognition, in Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow.)

Ours is an entire society now saturated with encouragement to perpetually easy answers and promotion of permanent adolescence. My wife has taught 4th grade on and off since the early 1980's. Things have changed markedly in the last decade. A growing proportion of kids (esp. boys) now appear to have essentially zero self-discipline. It isn't "boys being boys," my wife raised our three sons. This is something not seen before, an artifact of chemicals or of culture? IDK.

Modern tech has stripped most people (including children) of impulse control. Those who do not somehow find it will suffer for that, especially in a cesspool where catering to the impulsive mind is highly profitable.

Your situation is, I suspect, a part of the consequences of This World.

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 15, 2019 9:26 AM  

Short Proctology and Gillette, long Harry's and Dollar Shave Club.

Stopped supporting Harry's when they put out teh ghey razor last summer. I've got a Braun 7 series, which is still technically P&G, but they've been looking to divest that brand for at least 5 years or so. Might be an opportunity to pull that brand to our side, if folks are interested...

Blogger dc.sunsets January 15, 2019 9:26 AM  

@42 Social mood mania.

Symptoms: Pathological trust. Pathological openness (leading to Equalism.) Pathological altruism (leading to "invite the world" cat-rescue-hoarder behavior.) Bidding up the prices of intangible assets for so long that an Ocean of IOU's was filled by converting saved capital into landfill-filling mass consumption. "Resources-are-Unlimited" Utopianism of all kinds.

But among the worst symptoms is the "capital gains" economy, where as long as investors believe a firm's common stock will be worth more next week than today, no one cares if the Corporate Board colludes with the batshit crazy criminals in the E-suite to (1) asset-strip the firm and (2) push their ersatz religion on everyone.

Only after a crushing, unrecoverable bear market will the common criminals in corporate boardrooms and E-suites be booted (or perhaps hung by their necks from convenient trees.)

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 15, 2019 9:27 AM  

One interesting comment on the YT video:

Ironic that this ad campaign was directed by Australian director Kim Gehrig, who has been accused of sexual abuse by 2 men and 5 women when they were minors. Her victim's videos exposing Ms. Gehrig for being a predator have been on YouTube for a number of years - 1 dating back to 2010. Yet this pedophile is trying to smear the vast majority of men as predators and abusers? Gillette, did you even do a cursory background check on Ms. Gehtig's Somesuch & Co. firm before hiring her to direct this campaign? Explain why your company's associated with a predator who's [sic] actions lead [sic] to the suicide of one of her victims in 2016!

Big if true. A cursory search for "Kim Gehrig pedophile" didn't really turn up much, though. More research is evidently needed.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 15, 2019 9:31 AM  

@37
You can now compare the ratio from YouTube to the one on Gillette's tweet to see just how much censorship and exclusion of average people's perspectives is happening on twitter.

The YT numbers don't even represent reality. YT doing a lot of shadowbanning and downvote removing... as usual on vids that they support, but normal people dislike.

Blogger Alphaeus January 15, 2019 9:33 AM  

DON'T TALK TO CONNIE CHUNG!!!

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/connie-chung/2860995

Connie Chung is evil!!!

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 15, 2019 9:36 AM  

Tempted to grow a beard out of spite.

I think I see more bearded men than not in my area these days. That may be why Gilette is going full retard. We've seen many times that when a SJW-converged corporation's bottom line suffers, they always double-down just like individual SJWs rather than pull back from the precipice.

Just don't grow a hipster beard.

Blogger ar10308 January 15, 2019 9:43 AM  

@16
That absolutely was the top comment for a while. I was able to screencap it. However, other commenters obviously hung a clownsuit on Gillette's official account for it so they deleted the whole thread.
It's a shame too, because some of the responses were hilarious.

Blogger berb2000 January 15, 2019 9:50 AM  

@36 I have bookmarked this page. These are the real targets for an email blitz (at the very least).

Blogger berb2000 January 15, 2019 9:50 AM  

@36 specifically the grey agency.

Blogger Dangeresque January 15, 2019 9:58 AM  

I swear 80% of all cucking could be prevented if people would so much as just read the freaking dust covers of some of your books, VD.

Blogger Amy January 15, 2019 10:07 AM  

Gillette, the best a man can get! They’re out of touch with their core base, but it’s not surprising. They were bought by P&G in the mid 2000s, I believe, and it went downhill from there. I used to work in an industry that sold raw and finished materials to Gillette, they were one of my favorite clients, with a great team of people, all of whom were let go after the acquisition.

P&G caters to women. Nothing surprising about this ad.

My sister is all sparkle kitty eyes over this ad and when I said men are not poisonous, she attacked. Also not surprising.

The definition of toxic masculinity must be not letting princess have her way always and at all times.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 15, 2019 10:19 AM  

The definition of toxic masculinity must be not letting princess have her way always and at all times.

Pretty much. It means men asserting themselves in any way at all, or expressing opinions without asking permission and apologizing first. That's why they now try to shame or ban "mansplaining," which means nothing more than a man trying to tell a woman something.

Blogger Republican Mother January 15, 2019 10:23 AM  

King Gillette, the founder of the company, was a committed collectivist, as shown in his book, The Human Drift. He wanted a one-world cooperation controlling everything.

https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Human_Drift

Blogger Purge187 January 15, 2019 10:35 AM  

Advertisers see the signs of the times and are responding, and catering, accordingly. Same thing with the Kaepernick ad with Nike.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this will actually pay off for Gillette.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 15, 2019 10:48 AM  

If he absolutely MUST talk to the media, why would he chose the NYT? He is a Rep in Iowa!

Funny how you point out not doing interviews for apolitical subjects like a book. These people either lie or get everything wrong no matter what the subject is. They will blissfully act as marketers for scams by simply reprinting press releases.

Not only should you not talk to the media, you should not read their lies. If something is true and important, you will find out about it.

Blogger SDaly January 15, 2019 10:56 AM  

Yesterday morning, I asked my wife to pick up some Gillette blades the next time she went to the store. Today, I told her not to bother and then ordered a safety razor handle and blades. There are enough blades to last 5 years for the price of 10 Gillette cartridges.

Blogger SDaly January 15, 2019 10:57 AM  

@59 That's what Dick's was hoping, too.

Blogger Barbarossa January 15, 2019 11:05 AM  

@59 It most certainly hasn't paid off for Nike. Yes, they ran their ad for Kaepernick. They proclaimed a glorious triumph, but notice nothing has been mentioned since. If they had seen a flood of buyers as a result, we would hear nothing but. SJWs talk, but they don't spend.

The putative strategy for all these corporations is based on customer replacement. Trade out a regressive, troglodytic, misogynistic white male for a progressive, enlightened, gender-fluid vibrant. Since any business owner knows that customer retention is key because the cost of initial customer attraction is high, such a move is proof that the modern corporation has strayed from the old tried-and-true mantra of shareholder value comes first. It's head-scratcher when Dick's Sporting Goods pisses on its core market of male sportsmen, but at least it's theoretically possible that a whole mass of urban hipsters and blue-haired wiccans are suddenly going to develop a hankering to go catch some fish now that they won't be running into *gasp* toxic men in the wilderness.

But there's literally no upside to attacking your core market as a shaving company. What replacement market is there? No one is going to start shaving two or three times a day to show solidarity with Gillette against the evil boycotting men. The brothers don't like to shave because of the ingrown hair problem. Islamists aren't going to shave period. Asians and mestizos don't need to shave much as a rule. Women are eventually going to stop pretending to be 6 year-olds and let, well, that part grow back.

As many on this site have noted, these moves aren't made to earn more revenue. They're done to earn more feelz and kudos from right-thinking folks. Not a viable long-term strategy.

Blogger Jay in DC January 15, 2019 11:06 AM  

@19 "I'd be speaking German now if it weren't for strong men who did what needed to be done during WWII."

PHEW! Thank God!11! We may have had nations full of homogeneous European peoples on both continents if Germany had won. I mean Germany is so much better off today groveling on hands & knees 75 years later under a Strong Wahman like Merkel.

Thank god we fought that last Banker War at the urging of (((finance ministers))) and sent some of our best genetic stock into a meat grinder to the tune of millions dead.

Boomer Trad Con Woman, get thee back to the kitchen you, like most mid-wit Americans, have a VERY dim grasp of true history.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 15, 2019 11:15 AM  

WW1 was caused by entangling foreign alliances spinning out of control.
WW2 was caused by the fallout of WW1.

The Man in the High Castle is fucking garbage.

Blogger James Dixon January 15, 2019 11:17 AM  

> Why is Gillette lecturing white American men about social justice and the evils of masculinity?

This seems an appropriate response: https://gab.com/Sheep_Dog/posts/46089785

> Short Proctology and Gillette, long Harry's and Dollar Shave Club.

Barbasol makes razors and is owned by these folks: http://www.perio-inc.com/

Personally, I use a older Norelco electric razor, which is owned by Philips.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 15, 2019 11:20 AM  

I was using Harry's but now if they are making a gay razor, it's time for Dollar Shave Club.

Blogger Warunicorn January 15, 2019 11:23 AM  

It's like I woke up in Inversion World. I've never seen anything so crazy in all my life so far. They just keep upping the bar with their bullsh*t.

I would hope people from Iowa would blast congress with emails and/or calls? I sure as anything would...or maybe I should do that anyway even if I'm not from there.

Blogger steveaz January 15, 2019 11:27 AM  

What's not to gain from this ad campaign?

Beards can be team insignia, like skin color can be, and nothing makes the marketer's prospecting easier than presorted, self-signaling, veins of profitable human-ore.

Ask who shaves and man-scapes anymore? Really, who picks and plucks and polishes his/her body to a metallic sheen day-to-day?

Gillette asked, and the answer was, it is the urban male chasing a 'chin-strap' look for temporary peer notoriety ('scaping is big in Gay urban lifestyles too, for all the same reasons). It is the cubicle-dweller laboring under the nose of a dominatrix, Devil-Wears-Prada HR head who makes Margaret Sanger look like Mother Theresa. And, of course, urban woman, for, again, many of the same nagging, peer-pressed social reasons.

The only market segment put-off by this ad campaign, Shit-lords and their apprentices,and generally men who work with their hands, wasn't buying Gillette's products anyway. The burly farmer or grizzled miner only sheens his chin for holidays. Heck, my miller Grandpa died with boxes of blades he bought in his twenties but never used. In most affairs of real Men, a pass of the electric shaver does the trick the most of the time.

And all the while, the ad campaign pets the political vanities of its industry's die-hard users. Uniting the groups under a brand is what marketing does.

So, I ask again, what's not to gain for Gillette's marketing team here?
-steveaz

Blogger rumpole5 January 15, 2019 11:28 AM  

As a former (and very minor) occasional object of interest by these snakes, I emphatically endorse your advice. Once these low characters fix on a narrative they simply do not care what the actual facts are. It is best to have as little contact with them as possible.

Blogger eclecticme January 15, 2019 11:41 AM  

I switched to Feather Double Edge Shaving Razor and blades by Feather, bought off Amazon years ago. Cheap, simple, good. Never tried Harrys or Dollar Shave etc.

Blogger Barbarossa January 15, 2019 11:47 AM  

@69 So, I ask again, what's not to gain for Gillette's marketing team here?

Your assumption is that there is some untapped shaving market that this maneuver is going to suddenly uncover. If one grants you your (unwarranted) assumption that "real" men don't shave, that means Gillette products are already and solely in the delicate, manicured hands of effete pooftahs. No new market to be gained. And since these sensitive manscaping souls can only shave their physiques but oh so often, there is nothing to be gained there either.

But the reality is that lots of "real" men shave. Police, fire, military. Personally, the beard comes off in the summer. I work in an office. Not a single tranny or SJW in sight, but 80% of them are clean-shaven. Facial hair fashions ebb and flow.

The sheer volume of ordinary men, overlooked in flyover country, who might stop using Gillette products dwarfs the small number of urban hipsters who might decide to use them more.

What they'll gain is feelz, not dollars.

Blogger JD January 15, 2019 11:49 AM  

@67

it's time for Dollar Shave Club.

Think again:

DSC ad for lip balm

But, if you're into shaving your taint while a tranny watches, you do you.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella January 15, 2019 11:53 AM  

(32) Hi, your son is going to be great: he's writing, which is cognitively very, very challenging. Homer can be done in rap- Beowulf is aggressive. Some of the Psalms can be shifted to aggressive rap. Idly strumming a lute and warbling is a joke that (((not us))) make about the very,very, very scary war-bards.

2. He has a mild traumatic brain injury. Quarterback syndrome. One, there's a book about MTBI. Ignore the dietary advice, but the rest of it is solid.

I had a really bad head injury about 20 years ago, and some subsequent strokes from high risk pregnancy. So, from easy high IQ, to some things are just missing, and a lower tested score. Did he get tested? I mean, I show up high, but there are things that just aren't there anymore. He likely has that same thing- still high on the good stuff, simply missing on other things.

Brains: Athletes can recover their brains. I'd say go look at PDMangan, and Mike Cernovich- specifically his NAC post. It's one short essay, but it gets you in the stream of neural repair.

The advice to repair your brain is basically do everything the opposite of a women's magazine: you are literally rebuilding tiny machines (the cells) and they need gear- vitamins and minerals- so- first off, drop inflammation. (all of this is very cheap, btw)-- coffee, aspirin, and a turmeric/bromelain/piperidine, in the morning. fish oil during the day- you are literally giving cells easy building blocks to repair cell walls. magnesium at night- mg citrate is more absorbed. Amazon has all these. You don't need MgCitrate- I used regular $3 drugstore pills for years.

After a week or so- inflammation should be really low. You can get careful and do other things- drop sugar, flour, and so on- but the first big step is getting anti-inflammatories in- fish oil, turmeric, magnesium.

After that- now add spanners- parts, if you will- B1, B2, B3- These enable all the other Bvitamins to work. Go a week with these- then start adding in a multi. B1 is the biggest component of a cell-gating pore system- does your brain cell flood with water, or keep it's integrity? B2 does stuff- I'm a bit vague- probably part of same machine- B3 builds neurotransmitters.

Minerals- add these after a week- honestly, just regular body-building diet and protein will fill in all this.

Working out: muscle growth factor looks a lot like nerve cell growth factor. Nerve cells are attached to every muscle bundle in the body. There hasn't been a direct line shown, but people who work out have higher brain volume. That looks like nerve cells pulling growth factor off muscle cells.

Oh- B2 and sunshine: novel chemicals made, all of them essential for mental health.

So: if you could get him to be a tan muscled up guy who eats steak and butter, he should recover pretty quickly. Like, law is back on the table.

He writes complex lyrics: he can get a law degree. He can also become a poet, a teacher at a boys school, a leader of men.

Blogger Lance E January 15, 2019 11:54 AM  

I really would like to meet this Rep. Bipartisan that the New York Times has such high praise for. We're always hearing about his criticism of other Republicans, yet he never seems to pass or vote on any legislation that Republican voters want.

Who is Bipartisan? Maybe one day the New York Times will interview him and tell us what his actual policies are.

Blogger Mr Darcy January 15, 2019 12:03 PM  

"Jewish Valenstein & Fatt"

???

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 15, 2019 12:03 PM  

Well so much for that DSC, JD. I'll pass on the video.

Blogger Avalanche January 15, 2019 12:04 PM  

@13 "intention to demonize the phrase "boys will be boys"."

But the leftie-femme-prog-commies want boys TO BE GIRLS!

Blogger JD January 15, 2019 12:05 PM  

As @66 has posted, Barbasol's parent company is something to pay attention to, & they offer a Shave Club.

From Perio's Mission Statement:

We believe that we are merely temporary stewards and that the resources of the Company belong to God. As such, our main vision is to support charitable organizations and specifically, those focused upon children.

On Neon Revolt's Gab feed, he highly recommends straight razors & Feather-brand safety razors, along w/ wet shave brush suggestions.

Rollo on Twitter mentions Bawdy Barber.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella January 15, 2019 12:07 PM  

oh, the B3- get this from Amazon- you want the cheapest NOW stuff that can give you a flush. It's higher up the metabolic tree. The non-flush stuff is lower down the metabolic pathway, so it's less effective. More to the point- the non-flush stuff can kill your liver. Actual death of liver- you'd need a transplant.

You can take higher than normal doses of all of these- orthomolecular medicine- you just have to pay attention to your kidneys and liver- color of your pee, do your joints ache, and so on. They are all sparingly absorbed- so you don't take ten at once, you take one every other hour or so, or, you know, once a day once your tanks are topped off.

Because he has a brain injury, there's a fairly decent chance he won't flush at all, at any dose, for a few months. I didn't. I wondered what all the fuss was about. It took six months, and a couple of overdose days ( vomiting like a hangover, bed spinning, all of it) to even get a little warm.

There are websites about all of the vitamins, by people with various frailties- long-term chronic heavy metal poisoning, chronic fatigue, head injuries. They figure out what helps them and write about it in detail. it's very helpful.

Blogger Mr Darcy January 15, 2019 12:17 PM  

@45:

It's probably also their diet, at least to some degree. And in my opinion, it's probably a high degree. But it's certainly also the "culture." People like that are going to be shocked when they wake up on morning and find that the internet is "down." For the next three months. From cyber-warfare (which is constant and growing ever more sophisticated and dangerous).

Blogger Avalanche January 15, 2019 12:19 PM  

@52 "Just don't grow a hipster beard.

or, God forbid, a moslem beard! Invest in a good pair of beard scissors and keep it neat-but-real! Sorry 'outdoors woodsmen' -- you DO look too much like moslems. Once they all get sent back (or killed, I'm good wit... no, actually, I'm better with the second), you can go back to your BigFoot beards.

Blogger Matt January 15, 2019 12:22 PM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly January 15, 2019 12:25 PM  

@40

"www.timesofisrael.com/trump-signs-into-law-genocide-prevention-act-named-for-elie-wiesel/"

Well, Elie Wiesel was one of the men who testified at the HUAC hearings about Communism in Hollywood, and testified to the fact that most of the unions were run by overt Commies, and therefore was blacklisted, not by the government, but by THE HOLLYWOOD ESTABLISHMENT.

In retaliation, he made ON THE WATERFRONT, a very relevant tale about out-of-control leftist union bosses, and the violence incite against anyone who is a (true) free-thinker.

Blogger Matt January 15, 2019 12:26 PM  

Is using a k-bar to shave toxic?

Blogger Mr Darcy January 15, 2019 12:26 PM  

@64:

Thanks! Couldn't have said it better myself!

Blogger Gen. Kong January 15, 2019 12:32 PM  

Do the House GOP leaders truly not understand that whites are the only people who vote for Republicans in large numbers? Do they seriously not understand that Republicans are NEVER, EVER going to win the La Razan, the Vibrancy, the Diversity, or the Neo-Palestinian votes, no matter how many anti-white self-flagellating theatrics they put on display?

As if you don't already know the answer ... They know and do not care, because they're enemies of western civilization, Christianity and the posterity Americans. Most have sold out for fame and fortune, others are motivated by some sort of Satanic impulse. Donald Trump might not know, hence the pandering to blacks with a felon get-out-of-jail to vote bill. He truly might not comprehend that they'll never vote for him. As for the Q-larp or whatever it is, they might actually be drinking their own kool-aid and believe such nonsense as "patriotism has no color". Meanwhile Soros, et al are preparing yet another Caravan of military-age males to march north. Thanks to the refusal to shut down the border and use emergency powers granted, a number of the last Caravan of Peace are already in the country.

This is all kind of beside the larger - and ultimately more important (not to mention exasperating) - point though, which is that most of those with the target on their back (whites) deliberately choose to remain clueless rather than face the ugly reality about diversity and its intentions.

d.c. sunsets has one of the better explanations I've seen for this, but I'm not sure it really gets to the root of the matter completely. Take a look at this report. Of all the places on earth, one would think that whites with even a tiny fragment of common sense would not send their children to a public school run by a regime who has openly announced its plan to exterminate them. Yet there they are. High stock markets can't fully explain this level of insanity.

Blogger Jack Amok January 15, 2019 12:34 PM  

Some time ago, I accepted the need to forcibly deport immivaders like Pankaj Bhalla in order to preserve our civilization. But now I'm at the point that I'd sign onto a pogrom just so I can by a damn razor in peace.

Blogger Gen. Kong January 15, 2019 12:39 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@40

"www.timesofisrael.com/trump-signs-into-law-genocide-prevention-act-named-for-elie-wiesel/"

Well, Elie Wiesel was one of the men who testified at the HUAC hearings about Communism in Hollywood, and testified to the fact that most of the unions were run by overt Commies, and therefore was blacklisted, not by the government, but by THE HOLLYWOOD ESTABLISHMENT.

In retaliation, he made ON THE WATERFRONT, a very relevant tale about out-of-control leftist union bosses, and the violence incite against anyone who is a (true) free-thinker.


You're confusing Wiesel with Elia Kazan. Not the same at all. This is another bill that amounts to a loyalty oath to Israel and the tribe.

Blogger DonReynolds January 15, 2019 12:41 PM  

Someone needs to whisper it to every Republipuke, in Congress and everywhere in this country.....especially those who turned on Steve King:

"The ONLY ethnic group that gave YOU the majority of their votes was WHITE and that is how YOU got elected to public office...NOT Mex, or Chinese, or black, or Muslim, or Hindu, or Jewish, or LGBQRT.

"If you feel guilty about that fact, you need to resign, switch parties, and run again for the same office. Give everyone else an opportunity to vote FOR you, instead of AGAINST you. Turn your back on everyone who helped you get where you are. Get rid of your staff and volunteers and find new ones. Stop taking calls from your campaign supporters and donors....find a new sugar daddy to pay the expenses of the re-election campaign.

"Do it today. Don't delay."

Blogger Mr Darcy January 15, 2019 12:41 PM  

@84:

I think you're confusing Elie Wiesel with Elia Kazan.

Blogger DonReynolds January 15, 2019 12:44 PM  

Steve King for President of (what remains of) the United States of America.

I said it first.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 15, 2019 12:48 PM  

@48

"Ironic that this ad campaign was directed by Australian director Kim Gehrig, who has been accused of sexual abuse by 2 men and 5 women when they were minors."

SJWs *ALWAYS* Project

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 15, 2019 12:50 PM  

The next president needs to be a Gen X extremist. Not a boomer.

Blogger Johnny January 15, 2019 12:51 PM  

>>Donald Trump might not know, hence the pandering to blacks...

Trump doesn't seem to have it down, that these people are not the loyal opposition, they are the enemy.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 15, 2019 12:56 PM  

@59

"I hope I'm wrong, but I think this will actually pay off for Gillette. "

If a man's wife brings home Gilette products after being told not to, all he has to do is shave her head once and she'll never do it again.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 15, 2019 12:58 PM  

@60

"
Not only should you not talk to the media, you should not read their lies. If something is true and important, you will find out about it."

Absolutely True.

Haven't even posessed a TV since I gave mine away to a fellow soldier in 2004. Quit buying and reading newspapers in 2005.

The only things I miss are the comic strips and the crossword puzzle.

Blogger OGRE January 15, 2019 1:01 PM  

@94 Agreed. It was always going to fall on Gen X to bear the brunt of the burden of cleaning up this mess.

I've noticed a worrying trend though in the younger generations to lump Gen X in with boomers; basically anyone over 40 is considered a boomer. They are defining boomer as anyone whose old and out of touch, and not as the generational label that its been for decades. I can't help it, but it bothers me to no end, as most of us Xers have been aggressively anti-boomer since before many of these kids were born.

Blogger DonReynolds January 15, 2019 1:10 PM  

Rhys wrote:I'm consistently appalled by the intention to demonize the phrase "boys will be boys".

I have heard the phrase many times. Every single time, it was referring to a young boy eating a cricket, or making fart sounds, or doing some other silly activity. It's nothing more than an attempt to vilify the innocent rambunctiousness of young boys.


The LAST time I heard anyone say it in public was named Barack Obama. He used the phrase as an excuse not to do anything about tens of thousands of whites who had victimized by young black males playing the Knockout Game. Over thirty victims have died of their injuries and many more have been permanently disabled and will never recover from injuries to the head. Many of the victims were children, women, and the elderly. These attacks have gone on for more than a decade, but there was no Federal effort to charge anyone with a Federal hate crime until a white Texan did the same thing to an old black man. Suddenly, Obama and Eric Holder were demanding justice, even though the victim survived without serious injury.

Blogger Parrothead Al January 15, 2019 1:14 PM  

Almost no Schick razors left at local Walmart, plenty of Gillette

Anonymous Anonymous January 15, 2019 1:21 PM  

"North American brand director Pankaj Bhalla"

This could be a clue as to what has gone wrong ...

As for Representative King, well he's in good company. I see that Watson of DNA fame has also been stripped of all his honorary titles this week and the media went so far as to "incidentally" mention that he's in a nursing home, implying he's senile now, even though he's in there recovering from a totally unrelated medical condition.

But maybe the Vikings aren't dead yet, as just today there comes this news:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/niels-van-den-berg-a66727a5/

Longevity is a heritable physical characteristic. Sounds rayciss, right? One day it will scientific to investigate IQ distributions, again.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 15, 2019 1:29 PM  

"Pankaj Bhalla "
Every damned time

Blogger The Cooler January 15, 2019 1:38 PM  

@87 [...]most of those with the target on their back (whites) deliberately choose to remain clueless rather than face the ugly reality about diversity and its intentions.

d.c. sunsets has one of the better explanations I've seen for this, but I'm not sure it really gets to the root of the matter completely. Take a look at this report. Of all the places on earth, one would think that whites with even a tiny fragment of common sense would not send their children to a public school run by a regime who has openly announced its plan to exterminate them. Yet there they are. High stock markets can't fully explain this level of insanity.


Existential exhaustion, post-Christian Nihilism, Humanism; and, say what one will about Nietzsche, he got more than a few things correct, one of which is:

In times of peace, the warlike man turns against himself.

Anonymous Anonymous January 15, 2019 1:52 PM  

@88:

After the Razor Wars ...

"And now, all restaurants are Taco Bell!"

Blogger James Dixon January 15, 2019 1:56 PM  

Heh. P&G's investor website is timing out now. https:/www.pginvestor.com/

One wonders why, doesn't one? :)

Anonymous Anonymous January 15, 2019 2:14 PM  

Sorry about that previous link. here's the original article about longevity being heritable : https://www.lumc.nl/over-het-lumc/nieuws/2019/Januari/langleven-erfelijk-families/

Blogger Scott C January 15, 2019 2:57 PM  

Gillette probably knew the ad would provoke a backlash. The left knows their quarry.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 15, 2019 3:01 PM  

Mag Stuart wrote:When people like Mitt can no longer safely walk the streets, we will know that America is great again.
This.

I'm amazed that we haven't tried and convicted some of our politicians for Article 3, Section 3 Treason as-is…


dc.sunsets wrote:This essay was penned in 2010, in the shadow of the scariest financial/economic (AKA social mood) decline since the 1930's. What ensued was, if graphed, nothing short of a mania-within-a-mania, a social mood blow-off rally that mirrors the NASDAQ COMP in 1999 and Q1 2000. Political dissatisfaction all but went back to sleep, with but the Trump Election (and he's hardly in Steve King's camp of recognizing reality, or is savvier in keeping it to himself) the first sign that the trend change in imminent.
dc.sunsets, do you really think that the DJIA and/or DOW are (a) honest, and (b) reflect the common-man's "social mood", especially when (c) most "middle-class" are being squeezed such that they have little [if any] investment in the stock-market, and the median savings-account balance is $7,000 with an average of $30,000?

Johnny wrote:I don't think there is a generic term for it. It is identity but not in the political area. I don't know, identity products? Identity marketing? You sell the customer on the idea that a particular kind of person uses their product, and thus people who think of themselves like that will be more likely to use your product than otherwise.
Perhaps you mean [sub]culture? / I do programming and there's some distinct trends about the type of person that likes/advocates particular languages, the same can [sometimes/to a degree] apply to the people about a particular product.

Barbarossa wrote:@59 It most certainly hasn't paid off for Nike. Yes, they ran their ad for Kaepernick. They proclaimed a glorious triumph, but notice nothing has been mentioned since. If they had seen a flood of buyers as a result, we would hear nothing but. SJWs talk, but they don't spend.
Which opens up an interesting attack-vector; sending mail supporting/encouraging them to double-down on such stupidity. If you're worried about running afoul of the 9th Commandment, I would point out that there are plenty of words that have multiple definitions. (e.g. If I say "Disney's Star Wars character Rei is incredible." is it praise, or criticism?)

Anonymous Anonymous January 15, 2019 3:14 PM  

"dc.sunsets, do you really think that the DJIA and/or DOW are (a) honest, and (b) reflect the common-man's "social mood", especially when (c) most "middle-class" are being squeezed such that they have little [if any] investment in the stock-market, and the median savings-account balance is $7,000 with an average of $30,000?

it's worse than that. (get used to seeing/hearing that phrase.)

The government "encourages" you, in the land of the free, to give the bankers your money to play with. They call it retirement planning, a la 401K schemes and the like, and they absolutely do buy stocks on the dow etc with your money.

When they profit massively from it, they get to pay you a couple of percent a year increase on your principal. When they lose it, YOU get to pay for their losses as well as yours.

So, no, it's not a measure of social mood of the working class farm animals, i.e. it's not a measure of their willingness to pay: it's a measure of their ABILITY to pay.

Blogger Gregory the Great January 15, 2019 3:23 PM  

@26 I should have written "misery" in quotation marks. I (ironically) meant the human condition as defined by Peterson: suffering and misery.

Blogger tz January 15, 2019 3:33 PM  

Interesting - the title link works, but the comments link doesn't.

Derbycon didn't read your book, tried apologizing and is no more

Blogger Dirk Manly January 15, 2019 4:10 PM  

OT: Sign a petition in support of the President Trump:

https://action.donaldjtrump.com/tell-senate-build-the-wall/

Blogger Dirk Manly January 15, 2019 4:10 PM  

@69

"Ask who shaves and man-scapes anymore? Really, who picks and plucks and polishes his/her body to a metallic sheen day-to-day? "

Fags.

Blogger James Jones January 15, 2019 4:36 PM  

Start of feminism: Please give us the vote.
End of feminism: Men are SCUM!

Blogger dc.sunsets January 15, 2019 5:10 PM  

@108 @109 Don't shoot the messenger. If you read and grasp Etienne de la Boetie's Discourses then there is no other conclusion.

All political regimes rest on popular consent, even the Egyptian Pharaohs did so. Slaves volunteer for their enslavement!

What's the difference between Napoleon Bonaparte and a guy today in a straight-jacket who insists he's France's emperor? Consent. Group-think. Mass-minded belief. Not much more (I'll aver that perhaps Napoleon was a master at his craft.)

All the "theories" blaming where we are on "The Masons," "The Fed," "The Deep State," "The CIA," "The banksters," etc., etc. all look like post hoc fallacies to me, nothing but rationalizations. They are Cargo Cult attribution.

To me, the world goes by itself, because while individual people can exercise a degree of self-determination (a narrow one), as a whole we behave like a multicellular organism or an insect hive.

The marching band sets its own (collective) parade route. Attributing the route to whatever clown happens to be dancing in front of the leading band members seems stupid to me. If those clowns actually could control the path ahead, then why on Earth is there ever any change? Over significant periods there is definitely change.

The other view would be to embrace Orwell's take, written into Nineteen Eighty-Four by including the book-within-a-book The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism. In one sense, i do agree with it (that there always has been and always will be a high, a middle and a low when it comes to human populations.) On the other, I do not agree that the High can set the parade route. The specific individuals (and dynasties) do stay on top for a while, but not forever. Eventually change comes.

I just don't ever want to be "the LOW."

The Leftist cult grew FAT and dominant during a period of utterly unprecedented rising social mood, which made the masses of men simply too complacent to give a rat's ass, no matter how egregious the insults.

We had a mania for the record books IN THE LATE 90's!!! Then, after a perfect Elliott Wave 3-wave correction that began in 2000 and ended in 2009, we had A MANIA ON TOP OF, OR WITHIN, A MANIA from 2009 to (so far) Oct 3, 2018.

For Pete's sake, graph it if you doubt me. Old data for the DJIA is harder to obtain, but just the 1960's onward is ASTONISHING, and on an arithmetic scale the last 9 years are simply not believable, so disconnected from sanity are they (nominally.)

I guess we'll know soon enough. Either the decline resumes soon or perhaps the mania can reignite its engines. But I still think that when the dust settles in a few years, everything will be different. And explanations that attempt to "make sense" of the changes will all be useless rationalizations.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 15, 2019 5:18 PM  

@108, the average poverty of Americans drives nothing. Recall that the apocryphal shoeshine boy giving stock advice in 1929 was a shoeshine boy.

Mood just is. Call it anything you like, people herd, and when their friends are up, they are up (and vice versa.) Explain to me why hemlines of women's dresses follow the trend of the DJIA, for rich and poor alike? Or why a high and rising DJIA means rich and poor throng to see Disney's uplifting movies, while horror fills the seats when the DJIA is low and dropping.

Explain why major wars NEVER begin near stock highs, but essentially always start near or shortly after major lows (and then wax astonished that grown men claim that the death and destruction of war "explains" why stocks generally rise during them...talk about Bastiat's Broken Window IDIOCY.)

People. Herd. Call if fashion, call it movements, call it ideology...contagious ideas...people herd.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf January 15, 2019 6:29 PM  

Damn, I liked those razors too. I'll look for a Japanese alternative.

Blogger Amy January 15, 2019 6:35 PM  

Straight razors don’t do legs the way a three or four or five blade disposable does.

But I’ll do a triple pass if necessary just so I don’t have to buy Gillette products.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 15, 2019 6:54 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@108 @109 Don't shoot the messenger. If you read and grasp Etienne de la Boetie's Discourses then there is no other conclusion.
[…]
We had a mania for the record books IN THE LATE 90's!!! Then, after a perfect Elliott Wave 3-wave correction that began in 2000 and ended in 2009, we had A MANIA ON TOP OF, OR WITHIN, A MANIA from 2009 to (so far) Oct 3, 2018.

For Pete's sake, graph it if you doubt me. Old data for the DJIA is harder to obtain, but just the 1960's onward is ASTONISHING, and on an arithmetic scale the last 9 years are simply not believable, so disconnected from sanity are they (nominally.)

I guess we'll know soon enough. Either the decline resumes soon or perhaps the mania can reignite its engines. But I still think that when the dust settles in a few years, everything will be different. And explanations that attempt to "make sense" of the changes will all be useless rationalizations.

But that's my point!
Is the DJIA accurate data? Or is it disassociated from the actual market?

You assert that there's a mania atop a mania because of 2009 to now — but I simply don't see this in any of my neighbors or peers — most of what I see is a struggle very unlike the mid 90s. Or, to point to another datum: the continual drop in marriage-rates… often the lack of fiscal-ability is cited there.

Or, as another, consider Tucker Carlson's near-Network level rant here.

dc.sunsets wrote:People. Herd. Call if fashion, call it movements, call it ideology...contagious ideas...people herd.
You're fundamentally missing my points if you think I'm trying to [dis]agree with herd-mentality; my point is not entirely orthogonal, but let me put it to you this way: you've cited things with high-correlation historically, like the dresses-hemlines, but what I'm asking is fundamentally different "what if the DJIA/DOW are being manipulated?"… perhaps with the cartoonish idea that you can increase your car's speed by pushing the needle with your hand on the part of these people manipulating the market.

Perhaps the actual 'mood' is much worse than what the historical-correlation would indicate.

Blogger SciVo January 15, 2019 7:00 PM  

Johnny wrote:What is wrong with corporate management is that the Board of Directors is supposed to ride herd on the primary officers of the company, and for a long time now they have not been doing it.

Yes. The principal-agent problem has been the mechanism of great mischief in all aspects of Western civic life. I am warming up to the notion that switching to direct democracy is a necessary-but-not-sufficient condition for getting a healthy polity again.

The problem is literally compounded in many cases -- what I would call a meta-agency problem -- because the actors (executives, administrators) are agents of agents (directors, electees) of the principals (shareholders, citizenry). And our agents have for generations proven unworthy of trust; only the greatest fool (in a global fool competition, on a planet entirely populated by derps exiled from more sensible worlds) would continue to extend that trust one more day.

dc.sunsets wrote:I guess we'll know soon enough. Either the decline resumes soon or perhaps the mania can reignite its engines. But I still think that when the dust settles in a few years, everything will be different. And explanations that attempt to "make sense" of the changes will all be useless rationalizations.

Say, could it be triggered by market manipulations?

I expect that some very wealthy and influential people (possibly including the Federal Reserve itself) will at least attempt to cause a market decline in the latter half of 2020, in an effort to create a headwind for Trump's reelection. And to recapitulate the hypothesis, like the body and the brain, the influence goes both directions between paper wealth and social mood.

Blogger James Dixon January 15, 2019 7:19 PM  

> Then, after a perfect Elliott Wave 3-wave correction that began in 2000 and ended in 2009, we had A MANIA ON TOP OF, OR WITHIN, A MANIA from 2009 to (so far) Oct 3, 2018.

Which means we're on wave 4. Elliot wave theory says one more correction, then a final fifth wave before the big reset. Figure 15 years or so. Right around Vox's rought 203x assessment. Strange how everything always seems to come back to that time frame, isn't it? 2032 is also an election year, you'll note.

> Is the DJIA accurate data? Or is it disassociated from the actual market?

Moderately accurate. Short term movements can be manipulated. Long term control of the markets is problematic. It's just too big to be easily controlled.

> Say, could it be triggered by market manipulations?

See above.

Blogger eclecticme January 15, 2019 7:50 PM  

I keep thinking of HG Wells' Eloi in The Time Machine.

Blogger tublecane January 15, 2019 7:52 PM  

Check me if I'm wrong, but "boys will be boys" applies to boys, not men. And boys don't shave.

Blogger SciVo January 15, 2019 8:07 PM  

@123 tublecane:

You're wrong. It's a blatant dogwhistle reference to "country boys" and black men. They might as well have just come right out and said what they meant: "All you crackers and niggers need us more evolved peoples to tell you to stop thugging it up."

Blogger john darson January 15, 2019 10:29 PM  

This indictment of Steve King for being white takes cuckservative evil to new heights. They are not only morally wrong, but their actions do not accord with the findings of rational analysis anywhere, other than those of neoliberal think tanks.

Blogger SciVo January 16, 2019 4:29 AM  

@125 john darson:

What new heights? The GOPe are the controlled opposition of the people that want you broke and dead, and want your kids raped and brainwashed, and think it's funny. There is nothing new or unusually outrageous about it. Par for the sick, horrific course.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 16, 2019 9:57 AM  

@121 No. Not very likely wave 4. Unless the bond market can resume its bull market, we're either in the early stages of the largest correction in 3 centuries or we're still finishing the final touches in wave 5 that precedes it.

I've paid dearly for my "education" regarding Prechter's work. Where I diverge from his approach is on the question of debt vs stocks, and (if I interpret his firm's more recent promotions) I think they're coming around to my view (on their own.)

The whole point of watching the stock market is based on its utility as a sociometer, a real-time measure of social mood. The problem has been that a credit bubble of unprecedented size has warped the nominal prices of assets like never before, and the direct representation of this is the Bond Ocean.

Socionomics rests on the belief that high social mood is characterized by openness and trust, optimism and "friskiness"/risk-taking, while low social mood reverses these attributes.

The key signal of high social mood for the last 50 years was the filling of the Bond Ocean during the bond bull market of 1981-2016. Because debt securities are, like stocks, an intangible, their supply-demand price "curve" is a function of the Socionomic Theory of Finance, not Econ101's S/D pricing.

As the price of debt rose, the demand for debt didn't fall. It rose, too, so the supply exploded. A veritable ocean of IOU's of all kinds (bonds, but also "entitlement program" promises and vastly expanded pension systems and welfare promises) was filled, and all of that is WEALTH in people's minds, either current wealth (look at all those T-bills I own) or future cash flows (look how well-off I'll be in retirement!)

The psychology of this is akin to daydreaming of yachts and beachfront condos while buying a lottery ticket. In the mind, you're already FEELING the wealth, even though it doesn't yet exist in hand.

As long as social mood optimism could "believe" in the cash-able veracity of that ocean of IOU's, stocks weren't done going up. In hindsight, this was obvious in 2008 and 2009, when social-mood trust in the Bond Ocean led to ZIRP. Would-a', could-a', should-a'.
(end part 1 of 2, brevity is not my strong suit.)

Blogger dc.sunsets January 16, 2019 9:58 AM  


[Again: The Fed doesn't control interest rates, AKA the marginal price of debt instruments for sale in the debt market. They are the clowns who dance in front of the marching band, and when the band changes direction, they simply run over to jump in front of it again and wave their baton like they were the ones who set the route.]

As long as 2016 was THE top of the Bond Bull Market (which lasted a very typical 35 years), then there is evidence that social mood is no longer buoyant enough to keep fueling a stock price mania. It would be utterly perfect if 2016-2018's absolutely vertical rise in stocks was the last hurrah, the final spike, the blow-off top (a behavior far more common to commodity markets) capping the Greatest Bull Market of All Time.

Also arguing against 2009-2018 being some sort of smaller-degree wave 3 (with us in a wave 4, and a final rocket higher to the final high ahead) is that manias, even the 1995-2000 mania, are always followed by a massive pull-back. The NASDAQ lost 80% from its March 2000 high to its low in 2002. While it's certainly possible that a bear market now could "simply" retrace the entire last 9 year rally (which is about a loss of 80%), I seriously doubt that another 400%-plus rally would then be in the offing...but I've learned to never say never.

The key to me is bonds. I think they're toast. If they aren't, then sure, the stock bull can come back. But again, anyone who thinks the Fed, the BIS, the gnomes in Zurch, whoever, can manipulate the marginal price of $250 Trillion in debt simply lacks, in my view, the cognitive horsepower to understand and envision the abstractions involved in this analysis.

I guess we'll know later this year, but none of the theories regarding all this ("conventional," "conspiracy" or "socionomic") can be empirically proved, so there's really no use in arguing about it. Each of us pays our money and takes our chances, based on the map from which we navigate our lives.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 16, 2019 10:10 AM  

@120 Imagine you are totally cut off from "the news" for the most part, but you become aware of five "events."
1. The stock market hits an air-pocket and falls 40% in a day.
2. The night before, the House votes to impeach Trump.
3. The night before, a tactical nuke was detonated in Ukraine.
4. The night before, Trump announces a National Emergency.
5. In the lead-up to today, stock indexes had traced out a perfect and, according to technical measures, probably complete series of nested I-II, 1-2, i-ii corrective moves, which to an Elliottician would mean that a massive 3rd-of-a-3rd-of-a-3rd wave decline was dead ahead.

What caused the decline?

[BTW, the tactical nuke thing would be unlikely at that juncture. AFTER a huge decline, oh HELL yes, that's when skyscrapers full of people come crashing down...NEAR THE NEAR-TERM LOWS (just like in 9/2001!!) but not very often anywhere near the recent highs of a market top.]

You will be told that something, some preliminary event, caused the decline, but all this is is "B" occurred so everyone scurried around, looking at everything that "happened" head of it, and they label some good candidate "A" and announce that A caused B.

Sometimes I think News Anchors would be more historically accurate if they wore grass skirts, pushed bones through their nasal septa and beat out "the news" on human-skin drums.

Blogger James Dixon January 16, 2019 10:57 AM  

> Not very likely wave 4. Unless the bond market can resume its bull market, we're either in the early stages of the largest correction in 3 centuries or we're still finishing the final touches in wave 5 that precedes it.

All the analysis I've seen says we're on wave four. But I'm not an Elliot wave expert, so your statements carry far more weight than mine on the matter. If you want me to I can try to to find some sources, but you probably know them better than I do.

> As long as 2016 was THE top of the Bond Bull Market (which lasted a very typical 35 years), then there is evidence that social mood is no longer buoyant enough to keep fueling a stock price mania.

That is a distinct possibility. But that alone doesn't mean a sharp decline, as you know. We probably have to have a reversal of the mood for that to happen.

> The key to me is bonds. I think they're toast.

I agree, in the sense that I expect interest rates to keep rising and thus prices to keep falling. But while they are linked, the stock and bond markets are different markets. There's no automatic reason for them to move in concert. In fact, one of the older arguments for holding both was that they didn't (though that is obviously not always true).

> You will be told that something, some preliminary event, caused the decline...

Barron's had an article yesterday titled something like "Stocks rise because it's not Monday", noting that point. Anyone claiming something or other "caused" a stock rise or sell off is guessing. No one ever really knows for sure.

Blogger Unknown January 16, 2019 11:36 AM  

This popped up in KIA, a commercial diametrically opposed to the one by Gilette:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bdm4NBYxII

It got dusty in here while I was watching it.
If you are looking for insurance, MetLife might be some place you look to buy.
--Unknownsailor--

Blogger dc.sunsets January 16, 2019 2:11 PM  

James, I distrust so-called Elliott Wave Experts because I concur with a guy I paid very good money to teach me (how to day-trade E-mini futures) opined that it's simply too subjective on which to base trading decisions. Today's dominant Elliotticians are either Prechter's EWI (bears since hell last iced over) and people who are in bullish thrall of the last 40 years' rally. Neither offers much hope of forecasting excellence, and I include myself in that. Elliott provides a heuristic by which to understand the collective mind. It does not offer day-to-day or even week-to-week notions of what's next, any better than simply watching a major price signal in relationship to moving averages I use.

Mood IS the reversal, and just as bonds and stocks (and commodities, real estate and Beanie Babies) moved largely higher from 1981 onward, I expect they'll do the same on the downside.

Sure, those markets are not in lock-step (note oil's mad gyrations) but the overall trend was driven by the credit bubble and its resultant wealth effect. Wealth offers a heady rationalization for people in a rising social mood to bid higher the prices of whatever market is in fashion at that moment. Making money intangible, too (in 1963) contributed much IMO to the amplitude of the bubble.

People (including paid professionals on TeeVee) still frequently claim that markets are counter-cyclical, especially bonds vs stocks. Despite data that easily refutes their view, they repeat the utterly impossible notion that money "moves" from market to market, as if they're too stupid to realize that only marginal prices shift and essentially zero money moves at all, in or out of a market (bonds being a partial exception, where money moves in and is loaned-and-consumed, leaving the creditor with visions of profitable returns in a future that has yet to materialize, using capital that doesn't yet exist.)

End part 1 of 2

Blogger dc.sunsets January 16, 2019 2:13 PM  

I don't claim to know the future (unlike virtually everyone in the investment space, who promises ether and vapor which "history shows us will eventually condense into matter.") I just note that there are correlations that appear relevant. My mental map is not the territory (any more than is anyone else's), but at least I can cite the attributes on which I base that map, unlike most people whose map is pure herding mixed with emotion.

One abiding rhetorical question I have is, "At what yield on the 3-month T-bill does service for the National Debt consume 100% of (non-borrowed) US Federal income?" I assume that somewhere before that rate is reached, the entire charade will condense into widespread recognition and the panic will be well and truly ON.

With rates at 2.43% yield, and (IIRC) 78% of Federal Debt having a maturity of <1 year, even a typical 4% yield will be very difficult to ignore. 5% will be a bull in a china shop. Will the FedGov managers (including POTUS) defend at all costs the validity of their existing debt in order to enable continued borrowing?

Credit cards are literally the LAST thing people default upon, for this reason. I wonder if it extends to T-bills?

Like I wrote, the key is bonds. There are far, far, far too many promises of future capital flows, flows of "stuff that will not and cannot exist" except in fantasies of adolescents.

Say's Law is axiomatic. All consumption is of real stuff in real time, and future consumption is entirely contingent on production of real things between now and maturity. People ignore Say's Law all day, every day now. That's going to be a very costly mistake for us all eventually...and I'm betting (mildly) that the day for that is quite near.

If I had to guess, I'd say we have a total meltdown her to 2021/2022, a decade of rally (not to new highs) and then a second wave down into 2034. The real wars, upheavals, danger, etc., arrives with the C wave (in Elliott terms) and that is the second of the declining waves, so this aligns with a lot of folks' prognostications. Of course, it's all conjecture.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 17, 2019 8:45 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:One abiding rhetorical question I have is, "At what yield on the 3-month T-bill does service for the National Debt consume 100% of (non-borrowed) US Federal income?" I assume that somewhere before that rate is reached, the entire charade will condense into widespread recognition and the panic will be well and truly ON.

A game theorist I knew said that most people can backwards-induct two periods in a repeated game.

Blogger James Dixon January 17, 2019 5:15 PM  

> James, I distrust so-called Elliott Wave Experts because I concur with a guy I paid very good money to teach me (how to day-trade E-mini futures) opined that it's simply too subjective on which to base trading decisions.

Ah. Thanks. That's always been my take on charting in general. It's always seemed to me that you can torture a chart into saying anything you want it to say.

> People (including paid professionals on TeeVee) still frequently claim that markets are counter-cyclical, especially bonds vs stocks.

Yep. That's what my comment was referring to. It's obvious BS. There's far too many times they move in sync.

> "At what yield on the 3-month T-bill does service for the National Debt consume 100% of (non-borrowed) US Federal income?"

That's the big question. The current debt load (per http://www.usdebtclock.org/) is just under $22T. The estimated income for 2018 (per https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762) is $3.34T. That's a bit over 15%, so we're safe for a while. The 10 year bond actually hit that level in 1980 (per https://www.macrotrends.net/2016/10-year-treasury-bond-rate-yield-chart), but a more realistic rate is 4-6%. Assuming 5%, we could support $66.8T in debt, but things will go south long before then, probably before we hit 50%.

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