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Saturday, January 12, 2019

Fighting the last war

I don't disagree with what this guy is saying. But it's a little ironic that he talks about fighting the last war, because the author himself is focused on an outdated and increasingly irrelevant ideological struggle:
History and theory don’t matter to socialists because they imagine society can be engineered. The old arguments and historical examples simply don’t apply: even human nature is malleable, and whenever our stubborn tendencies don’t comport with socialism’s grand plans a “social construct” is to blame.

These most recent spasms of support for the deadly ideology of socialism remind us that progressives aren’t kidding. They may not fully understand what socialism means, but they fully intend to bring it about. Single-payer health care, “free” education, wealth redistribution schemes, highly progressive income taxes, wealth taxes, gun bans, and radical curbs on fossil fuels are all on the immediate agenda. They will do this quickly if possible, incrementally if they have to (see, again, the 20th century). They will do it with or without popular support, using legislatures, courts and judges, supranational agencies,university indoctrination, friendly media, or whatever political, economic, or social tools it takes (including de-platforming and hate speech laws). This is not paranoia; all of this is openly discussed. And say what you will about progressivism, it does have a central if false ethos: egalitarianism.

Conservatives, by contrast, are not serious. They have no animating spirit. They don’t much talk about liberty or property or markets or opportunity. They don’t mean what they say about the Constitution, they won’t do a thing to limit government, they won’t touch entitlements or defense spending, they won’t abolish the Department of Education or a single federal agency, they won’t touch abortion laws, and they sure won’t give up their own socialist impulses. Trumpism, though not conservative and thoroughly non-intellectual, drove a final stake through the barely beating heart of Right intellectualism, from the Weekly Standard to National Review. Conservatism today is incoherent, both ideologically and tactically incapable of countering the rising tide of socialism.
The real battle is not conservatism vs socialism. First, conservatism is dead because there is nothing left in the West to conserve. Second, the real battle is nationalism vs global imperialism. The most recent offensive of the neo-liberal world order has failed, but its armies have not left the field and its leaders are actively developing new strategies, new tactics, and new false oppositions in order to attempt to pick up where the last attempt left off.

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Blogger doctrev January 12, 2019 11:23 AM  

Huh. Does someone want to tell Jeff Deist that the Kristol staff has crossed over to the Bulwark- which is a front for Iranian billionaire Pierre Omidyar, just like the Intercept? Can someone point out that "neoconservative" American intellectuals are neither American nor conservative, and currently press Democrat Party talking points? President Trump did not force them into that. Someone should certainly tell him that just because literally mentioning of intellectuals like Steve Sailer and Vox Day meets with -violent- career reprisal, it doesn't mean nationalism has no intellectual foundation.

Of course, think tanks are the luxury of spendthrift billionaires and the idle intellectual class, so it's no surprise Donald Trump has no use for them. If any movement is more irrelevant and politically cucked than establishment conservatism, it's libertarianism. And that's why I really don't care what Jeff Deist has to say, or even lift a finger on behalf of his multinational (globalist) corporate masters.

Blogger Robert What? January 12, 2019 11:29 AM  

The current struggles are showing the Neocons for the Leftists they really are. Unfortunately they still fool a lot of the TradCons.

Blogger Quilp January 12, 2019 11:35 AM  

I have trouble dealing with Libertarians almost as much as some in here have dealing with Gammas. Deist, It's the culture, stupid. Does the "Lens of Liberty" (in my best Helen Krieble) provide a way of dealing with the APA, an incredibly powerful organization, declaring traditional masculinity to be harmful to boys? That's just one aspect of our society their myopic theory of everything ignores while we implode everywhere except for the well funded halls of CATO.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-wilhelm-masculinity-apa-guidelines-011119-story.html

Blogger Gettimothy January 12, 2019 11:46 AM  

"Conservatives, by contrast, are not serious. They have no animating spirit. "

They have one of two animating spirits; Which one explains their behaviour?

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 12, 2019 11:52 AM  

This is not conservative vs socialist, it's non-white vs white. The brown hordes want a piece of the action and will rationalize taking it with whatever theory they can throw out there. If it served them to talk about capitalism, they would be doing it.

This excerpt is just cuckery disguised as ideology.

Blogger Desert Screamer January 12, 2019 11:58 AM  

What about the remaining comunist countries in the Americas? What about Venezuela, Bolivia,Nicaragua,Uruguay, Cuba and now Mexico? In which side of the globalist/nationalist dichotomy They fall? I've seen people un the Alt-right embracing them as "nationalist allies" because They opose the UN and Trump said that he will get along better with AMLO and even some con 4chan said that They will build the wall together.But Trump didn't say the same to Maduro.Also ,I've lived under one of those governments and seeing how They preach the same marxist bullshit about genders and economy that the globalist preach (with the difference that They called themselves "nationalist" and "populists",but simultaneously wanted to form some latinx version of the URSS with Cuba as the capital) well I don't know what to think

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 12, 2019 12:00 PM  

Fighting the last wars indeed.
We're looking out for book burners while the leftocrats have taken over the education system and made people unable and unwilling to read - and hence think. No need to burn books at that point.
We're looking out for guys in red uniforms when it's the neocons in navy blue suit jackets who do more damage.
We're looking out for gulags, ghettos, and concentration camps when those things existed ONLY because of the lack of ability to track, trace, and spy on people. You can be deplatformed into non-existent status but so long as we don't see barbed wire and guard towers then we still have muh freedom.

Blogger James Dixon January 12, 2019 12:10 PM  

> Second, the real battle is nationalism vs global imperialism.

The socialists have finally realized the Communists were right and that they will need a worldwide international socialism to accomplish their goals. So yes, it's globalism versus nationalism.

> This is not conservative vs socialist, it's non-white vs white.

If only that were so we'd have a much better chance. But too many whites are on the globalist side for that to be the case.

But you are correct in that only whites as a group have ever really valued freedom and limited government, both of which stand in the way of the globalists.

Blogger Joel and Stacey January 12, 2019 12:11 PM  

Also from Jeff Deist, "In other words, blood and soil and God and nation still matter to people. Libertarians ignore this at the risk of irrelevance."

Blogger Crew January 12, 2019 12:15 PM  

Is it possible that they are just shilling for the globalists and trying to confuse everyone as to what the real battle/opposites are.

Blogger Dirtnapninja January 12, 2019 12:15 PM  

Its the Jewish Raj, their white jannissaries and brown sepoys vs. everyone else.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool January 12, 2019 12:15 PM  

Here in Australia the 'conservative' party is fully on board with the homo globo agenda. They compete with the socialists in signalling their commitment to diversity and population replacement. In my industry we receive near daily directives from professed right wing politicians on how to be more inclusive of sexual degenerates and perverts.

The only difference between our two main political parties are marginal disagreements over economic management, one wanting to tax the middle class to buy the votes of the indigent, the other wanting to tax the middle class to allow for tax cuts for the multinationals.

The same is true in Britain, Ireland, Canada and New Zealand only the US shows signs of real opposition to the progressive tide.

Blogger Crew January 12, 2019 12:17 PM  

In other words, blood and soil and God and nation still matter to people. Libertarians ignore this at the risk of irrelevance.

Well, the Socialists and their organizers ignore it as well, or at least feel they can kill all those who still feel that way.

However, Events in Russia suggest they are wrong, or at least that they did not kill enough Russia Christians.

Blogger Doug Walker January 12, 2019 12:20 PM  

"First, conservatism is dead because there is nothing left in the West to conserve." Spot on, and it pains me to have to explain that to my teen kids. But they know the deal, and they're preparing for a difficult future.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool January 12, 2019 12:22 PM  

@11- Owen Benjamin becoming red pilled regarding the Tribe has been the real reason for all the concern trolling. You can spout all the fake moon landing and flat Earth stuff you like, start asking why there are literally zero Jewish janitors in a country of 350 million people and watch (((them))) start frothing at the mouth.

The problem is once you see it you can't un-see it.

Blogger Mister Excitement January 12, 2019 12:25 PM  

Go to any Conservative message board, especially FreeRepublic.com.

The Boomer Conservatives to this day have a singular obsession with fighting the Red Menace. All they ever talk about is Socialism and Communism.

The standard Conservative is entirely unable to think in terms of anything outside the framework of economic theory.

Blogger Servant of the Chief January 12, 2019 12:25 PM  

It is never the 'Last War', thats God's perogative. The one thing I will enjoy most at the coming of the end of the neoliberal world order and the proven falsity of the Enlightenment, is the death of this 'End of History' nonsense.

Blogger Hammerli280 January 12, 2019 12:28 PM  

Conservatism got taken over by rent-seekers. Partly because it never was that intellectually coherent, partly because the rent-seekers always took the conservative voters for granted.

Remember that the GOP Establishment has always neglected its base. After the Civil War, the Black vote was a solid Republican bloc...until after years of "they have to vote for us because the Dems are worse" neglect, the Democrats made a better offer. Firearm owners are the same way, there's a slow boil at the lack of headway. And in the end, you have to either perform or pound pavement.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 12, 2019 12:28 PM  

Libertarians also believe in the social construct. They refer to it as the media. The biggest enemy they have is the media and they are always screaming about how we are all the same, if the media would stop dividing us. In their fever dreams, we are all the same and we would realize that if the media would leave us alone.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 12, 2019 12:39 PM  

Servant of the Chief wrote:It is never the 'Last War', thats God's perogative.
The "Last" in the phrase "Fighting the Last War" isn't last as in final, it's last as in previous; it's a reference to trying to threat "this time" like "last time", ignoring that the two are different. -- e.g. training/preparing for more Iraqghanistan insurgencies when it's going to be war with China, or attempting to repel/expel the foreign invaders. -- There might be some commonalities, like, say, an emphasis on close-quarters combat/building-clearing (w/ training for insurgencies & repelling the invasion) but by far there tends to be huge swathes where its wasting time, effort, logistics, and lives because you're proverbially trying to apply your desert warfare knowledge to the jungle.

Blogger tz January 12, 2019 12:41 PM  

The boomers and such are so busy trying to fight to keep the free market and trade destroying the American middle class, they haven't noticed the cultural marxism destroying all those virtues they suggest are missing when people have lost their 3rd job, while the Abortion Clinics and Gay Marriage chapels thrive.

The lens of liberty is rose colored glass.

The fight in a bit more detail is Subsidiarity and Solidarity v.s. 1984 Brave New World globalism. Healthy families are large and socialist - you help your own. The next level is the (local) church and village. You keep your larger nest clean and well maintained. Then the county, then state/province, then nation, then the world.

The error and problem is Western Civilization Middle Class isn't optimally efficient. Wal-Mart can do things cheaper than Mom & Pop. And Mexico and China can make things cheaper than a local factory. But the cheapness is measured in dollars and the dearness is measured in hope v.s. despair.

The modern Conservative Inc. wants you to sell your soul, though not all at once, just a little at a time.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 12, 2019 1:11 PM  

Joel and Stacey wrote:Also from Jeff Deist, "In other words, blood and soil and God and nation still matter to people. Libertarians ignore this at the risk of irrelevance."

Yes, he made a bit of a ripple when he said that.

I don't know what he's done since then, but I wouldn't be surprised if he quickly got back in line after being called a Nazi, and all that.

And so it's back to fretting about socialism and completely ignoring the degradation of our society and the hunt for Whitey's scalp.

Blogger James Dixon January 12, 2019 1:12 PM  

> The Boomer Conservatives to this day have a singular obsession with fighting the Red Menace. All they ever talk about is Socialism and Communism.

Well, the globalists are largely communists, though they try to hide under the guise of socialists. So they're not entirely wrong.

Blogger OGRE January 12, 2019 1:19 PM  

Mister Excitement wrote:
The standard Conservative is entirely unable to think in terms of anything outside the framework of economic theory.


Exactly. The conservatives act as if Economic Efficiency is the ultimate moral good;
as if utility can only be measured in terms of currency, and that which is not quantifiable in terms of currency is of no value. This leaves them blind to eveb the possibility that maximizing efficiency can potentially result in very undesirable and immoral outcomes.

Blogger John Best January 12, 2019 1:23 PM  

As it now turns out the nationalistic socialism of the soviet union has been better for its nations than conservatism. Protecting them from the merchant class and the globalists. The battle could be put into the three sections traditionalism vs modernism, nationalism vs globalism and God vs satan. The cultural, economic and spiritual battles. The forces of evil have successful created false enemies to enable them to exhaust our nations so they can sneak around the back and put the knife it.

The nationalists, traditionalists and forces of Jesus have been able to fight back and punch the enemy in the mouth, but evil does what is always does, it runs away trying to play for time and hide in the shadows once most. The whole opposition to leaving the EU in Britain is from the globalists who call themselves internationalists and supporting the current order. Again evil using the rhetoric of the good to steal it away. The trouble is nobody is fighting the spiritual battle which is the most important thing. Ian Paisley did it in Northern Ireland, Henry Sacheverell did it in England in the early 1700's, the Anglican immortals did in the 1600's. That's is truly needed.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 12, 2019 1:38 PM  

OGRE wrote:Mister Excitement wrote:

The standard Conservative is entirely unable to think in terms of anything outside the framework of economic theory.


Exactly. The conservatives act as if Economic Efficiency is the ultimate moral good;

as if utility can only be measured in terms of currency, and that which is not quantifiable in terms of currency is of no value.


Or they just ignore the 3rd party costs. Driverless vehicles will impose enormous cost on this country. It will dis-employ millions of men, some percentage of which will get involved in all sorts of evil, which imposes even more costs. They will blame everything but the actual cause.

Though I agree with Tucker about having to lie and make it a safety issue, I think there genuinely is a safety issue. We have proven again and again to be incapable of building secure systems.

Economics is supposed to make our lives better. It is exists to serve and an end, not the other way around. Who cares if not going driverless makes us slightly less efficient if the costs are that high?

Blogger Dominik K. January 12, 2019 1:40 PM  

A question guys:
does either nationalism or globalism imply an economical system? Can nationalism be socialism, communism or free market ?

Blogger OneWingedShark January 12, 2019 1:47 PM  

tz wrote:The error and problem is Western Civilization Middle Class isn't optimally efficient. Wal-Mart can do things cheaper than Mom & Pop. And Mexico and China can make things cheaper than a local factory. But the cheapness is measured in dollars and the dearness is measured in hope v.s. despair.
This is too simplistic a view. While Wal-Mart can outperform Mom & Pop shops, due to economies of scale, it is not nearly so dramatic as one might think; the real place that the Wal-Marts win is in the Marketplace of Corruption: they wheel and deal to screw people & cities over, taking advantage of being "too big to fail". (Example: one small-ish town I have family in had a Wal-Mart come in, get a 'sweetheart deal' on the city's property-tax, put the local mom & pop shops out of business, then moved just outside the city-limits so they wouldn't have to pay even that reduced taxes.)

OGRE wrote:Mister Excitement wrote:

The standard Conservative is entirely unable to think in terms of anything outside the framework of economic theory.


Exactly. The conservatives act as if Economic Efficiency is the ultimate moral good;

as if utility can only be measured in terms of currency, and that which is not quantifiable in terms of currency is of no value. This leaves them blind to eveb the possibility that maximizing efficiency can potentially result in very undesirable and immoral outcomes.

I hesitate to agree; there are plenty of [self-labeled] conservatives who would find the above Wal-Mart story to be distasteful, dishonorable if you will. But you are certainly correct that the Republican-leadership [media-labeled] conservatives see things solely in dollar-terms, which is why the Chamber-of-Commerce Republicans want so desperately to avoid The Wall and the coming immigration-enforcement it symbolizes: it signals the end of depressed wages/prices for landscaping, construction, farm-hands, and so on. -- And they would be going batshit-insane if the hammer was dropped on H1B-fraud, because it would likely destroy a not-insignificant portion of Tech and all the money they get from that industry.

Blogger pyrrhus January 12, 2019 1:48 PM  

"@11- Owen Benjamin becoming red pilled regarding the Tribe has been the real reason for all the concern trolling. You can spout all the fake moon landing and flat Earth stuff you like, start asking why there are literally zero Jewish janitors in a country of 350 million people and watch (((them))) start frothing at the mouth.

The problem is once you see it you can't un-see it."

It's amazing how long it takes to see the obvious in the face of propaganda. I worked in a Jewish law firm long ago (which went bust due to excessive Jewish nepotism, as all the good lawyers left)....I still didn't see it as a general matter, I just saw that it was a disastrous way to run a business.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 12, 2019 1:50 PM  

The sooner the hammer gets dropped on Tom Donohue and the CoC, the better. He is a fucking traitor who should not be allowed to die peacefully in his bed.

Blogger pyrrhus January 12, 2019 1:52 PM  

@28 Unbridled capitalism, which always turns into welfare state crony capitalism, has failed everywhere and every time in history...Because it always destroys its own people and therefore its markets.

Blogger James Dixon January 12, 2019 1:53 PM  

> As it now turns out the nationalistic socialism of the soviet union

The Soviet Union wasn't nationalistic socialism. It was international socialism. The Nazi's were national socialists. To my limited understanding, the fascists were also nationalist, but I'm open to being corrected.

Blogger James Dixon January 12, 2019 1:56 PM  

> Unbridled capitalism, which always turns into welfare state crony capitalism, has failed everywhere and every time in history.

Immoral capitalists can out compete moral capitalists. Surprise, surprise. Being willing to break the rules has that effect.

Blogger John Best January 12, 2019 2:00 PM  

@27 Nationalism will be mercantilism, it's the only way to do it. Of course a renewed form of mercantilism. Basically internal free trade within realms and external protectionism. However within the realms, there will be nations (counties and cities), which operation independent of each other and the realm as a whole. The big change from before capitalism, is the rise of mass population cities, which will be diminished in the future, but still important. Balancing between the cities and counties will be the important thing in any future national economic system. The globalist state the Parliament, Media and Courts will have to be done away with, and the national institutions restored, the Church, Aristocracy and Monarchy. The entire structure and hierarchy of society will have to be altered. As the globalist system is just a reworking of the feudal system, with the merchant class on the top, rather than the Aristocracy. The counties need to be protected from the merchant class in the cities, only the Church and Aristocracy can do that.

Blogger Avalanche January 12, 2019 2:04 PM  

@20 "There might be some commonalities, like, say, an emphasis on close-quarters combat/building-clearing (w/ training for insurgencies & repelling the invasion) but by far there tends to be huge swathes where its wasting time, effort, logistics, and lives because you're proverbially trying to apply your desert warfare knowledge to the jungle."

Yeah, cause "somehow" carrier battle groups are pretty damned useless on the mexican border and the LA barrios! Who'dah thunk it?!

(Well, maybe not-so-much the LA barrios: what did they usetah call it? Urban renewal? Yeah, that's the ticket! Run a few bombers across LA and clear the land... Good start!)

Blogger OGRE January 12, 2019 2:05 PM  

I've grown quite fond of this often overlooked alternative to the socialist/capitalist dichotomy:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Distributism

Blogger The Cooler January 12, 2019 2:05 PM  

Unbridled capitalism, which always turns into welfare state crony capitalism, has failed everywhere and every time in history...Because it always destroys its own people and therefore its markets.

It is a sterile grift machine that is never ejected from the greater cycle since it works for whom it works. Those are it's "people" and for them, it has worked and is working just fine. Rootless cosmopolitanism is a business, and business is booming. Now go buy a spatula for $14 that'll last till the end of 2019. Because rising tide or some shit.

Blogger NO GOOGLES January 12, 2019 2:06 PM  

@26 The biggest issue I see with driverless cars is one that I've never seen anyone talk about.

What happens when everyone has to ride in a driverless car? In reality, driverless cars require others because actual human drivers are unpredictable. There are a lot of traffic benefits in networking cars together (cars can all accelerate and decelerate at the same time, so no rubber banding that causes a massive amount of congestion).

Think about what this means for the status quo. Beyond disemploying millions of blue collar workers (most of them white) this means the people in charge will have the ultimate disposal tool for unwanted "troublemakers". No one thinks twice about people dying in a car crash.

Posted something a little uppity on facebook? Didn't vote the way we wanted you to? Pushed back on how we're teaching your children to hate themselves and that gender doesn't exist? Oops, guess you're going to have a car crash. Even better, we'll blame it on TERRORIST HACKERS and use that to justify even more "security" measures.

Maybe they decide that the environment is more important than commuting. Sorry, you can't keep your job because you have to commute 30 miles each way, and that's bad for the environment! Guess you'll have to take this job sweeping floors for minimum wage.

If you would trust our current authorities with ANY of those decisions for an instant then you are blind or criminally insane. Driverless cars and cashless society will make 1984 look like paradise.

Blogger Resident Moron™ January 12, 2019 2:07 PM  

Conservatism is dead by suicide.

The method so its suicide was to surrender to the neo-liberals and agree (however tacitly or otherwise) to fake being opposed to them in return for maintaining a life of privilege and protected political status. While workable, this strategy was also fundamentally flawed and thus its eventual collapse certain.

We are here, and the alt-Right is ascending, and our total displacement of the old right is inevitable, BECAUSE of these historic facts.

Blogger Cloom January 12, 2019 2:36 PM  

I am more with @28. We do not have to bash the free market to be nationalists. End immigration and stop the government transferring your money to unproductive people who buy in the market with your income. That is how the middle class got destroyed, not because it was free market efficiency that destroyed the middle class.

The free part of the free market was your freedoms, for example, free to choose who to help in your family, freedom of association, free to work with others in a group. We can have freedom and nationalism.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 12, 2019 2:45 PM  

@32 To my limited understanding, the fascists were also nationalist, but I'm open to being corrected.

Correct. Mussolini started out as an international socialist as a young man, but ditched it in favor of Italian natsoc, hence his affinity with Hitler.

Blogger DonReynolds January 12, 2019 3:02 PM  

The article is terribly confused. They seem to believe that Bill Kristol and his NeoCon clowns, the Bush tribe, Mitt Romney, the GOP establishment, RINOs, and the bloody Chamber of Commerce are "Conservative"....and somehow, maybe it has something to do with Donald Trump. All of which is rubbish. He is terribly misinformed. Then he makes the reach of his life and announces this is the Right, as opposed to the Left.

He is correct that the cornerstone of the Left is egalitarianism and the false notion of everyone being equal. The Civic Nationalists are just as much egalitarians, as the Leftists.

What is dead in this country is Conservative, Inc.....the Gang of Eight, the Jeb Bush tribe, etc. and they have virtually nothing to do with Trump. In fact, Trump had to step over their dead bodies to become President. The NeverTrumpers hate him probably more than the Democrats do. So do not lump them together.

Blogger John Best January 12, 2019 3:09 PM  

@41 Mussolini and Hitler were imperialists, fascism and national socialism were imperialist in Italy and Germany.

Blogger Stilicho January 12, 2019 3:27 PM  

Socialism isn't really an ideology and certainly isn't a principle, it is merely a tool used to obtain and keep power. Heinlein's famous description of two types of people holds true and those who want to control everyone have expanded their ambition globally.

Blogger Random #57 January 12, 2019 3:35 PM  

@18 Hammerli280:

Remember that the GOP Establishment has always neglected its base. After the Civil War, the Black vote was a solid Republican bloc...until after years of "they have to vote for us because the Dems are worse" neglect, the Democrats made a better offer. Firearm owners are the same way, there's a slow boil at the lack of headway.

The latter has changed as the GOPe is more explicitly attacking its base. The "slow boil" turned up a notch when we gun owners noticed we got less gun control under Obama and his first Democratic Congress, and more gun control in the following 2 years when the parties were reversed.

Reversed is a good word to use, the lack of headway has turned into a reversal. Which I suppose is likely if a party has absolutely no interest in moving an issue forward, inevitable if there are serious forces in the other direction.

Blogger Bastion Harm January 12, 2019 3:39 PM  

Mister Excitement wrote:Go to any Conservative message board, especially FreeRepublic.com.

The Boomer Conservatives to this day have a singular obsession with fighting the Red Menace. All they ever talk about is Socialism and Communism.

The standard Conservative is entirely unable to think in terms of anything outside the framework of economic theory.


Indeed. They're just as much "NPCs" are your standard shitlib when it comes to things like Israel and Russia. On a lot of "conservative" fora, I still see that many of these clowns think that Putin is Stalin reincarnated, has resurrected the Soviet Union, and hence is an enemy.

...and they also think that, somehow, God is on OUR side, not his!

Hilarity always ensues when I point out to these right-wing NPCs that Putin openly talks about how Christianity is absolutely essential to Russia's (and civilization's) future, he is TELLING his people to get to Church, have strong families, and have lots of children. And now, thanks to Putin, the Orthodox Church is undergoing a huge revival because of his open encouragement of it.

After pointing this out, I then ask: where are the Western leaders who do this?

Our "leaders" tell their citizens NOT to go to Church, NOT to have kids, and that a gay married couple is just as "normal" as a...normal family.

And, oh yeah, our "leaders" wouldn't be caught dead in a Christian church nowadays, but they will sure as shit be the first in line at the nearest mosque, dressed in Islamic garb, so that they could do a photo-op and chant "diversity is our strength!"

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 12, 2019 3:41 PM  

Very true. That traitorous, backstabbing, globalist shill called "Malcolm Turnbull" made it very obvious that the nominally conservative party had been co-opted by Leftists for some time. The entire "Yes" campaign was simply about giving pedophiles access to vulnerable children.

Blogger Random #57 January 12, 2019 3:41 PM  

@28 OneWingedShark:

And they would be going batshit-insane if the hammer was dropped on H1B-fraud, because it would likely destroy a not-insignificant portion of Tech and all the money they get from that industry.

That turns out not to be the case, at least not yet, for Trump is keeping his "Intel, not Infosys" pledge, a lot of fraudulent low or no skill Pajeets are learning they have to go back. This just moves the scam up the value ladder, with Trump continuing to advocate more H-1Bs visas and improving the pathway to citizenship, as of summer it was 151 years long for dot Indians, and that just won't do.

Blogger The Cooler January 12, 2019 3:49 PM  

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Blogger Babydoc January 12, 2019 3:52 PM  

At the risk of putting forth what may be considered a simplistic cbaracterization... call it globalism, diversity-ism, egalitatianism, leftism or whatever the PC term of the day is...all the argylbargle is nothing more than layers upon layers of pseudophilosophical camo trying to hide Satan's ongoing efforts to seduce souls away from God. Christianity and Western ideals are being attacked precisely because said concepts impose behavioral limitations on personal morality, from which EVERYTHING in life is affected. All this current "diversity" PC gobbledegook is just another way of saying, "I will not serve."

Blogger Mark Stoval January 12, 2019 3:54 PM  

@39

"We are here, and the alt-Right is ascending, and our total displacement of the old right is inevitable, BECAUSE of these historic facts."



Since you mention "historical facts", perhaps we should realize that the "old right" was in part a reaction to American entry into WWI, and then to FDR and his New Deal polices.


Free download:
"The Betrayal of the American Right" https://mises.org/library/betrayal-american-right-0

The "old Right" was the "alt-right" of that era. They lost. We are not guaranteed to win. Read your Bible about the last days and you might see that the evil ones will win out for a while.


If you mean by "old right" the cuckservatives, the Buckleyites, the "big government" conservatives, and all the rest of the FAKE right then I agree with you. They can be beaten back for a time.

Blogger Sheila4g January 12, 2019 3:57 PM  

In addition to Vox's post and link to the original article, the comments here were absolutely golden today. That's what keeps me coming back - reasoned and informed discourse but reality based and with the understanding that today's warped existence must and will change. I can no longer bear the 'angels dancing on the head of a pin' vibe at Sailer and his boomer/TradCon commenters who think they're really edgy. Gentle sarcasm and noticing has its place, but for too many it provides a comfortable end point.
People becoming comfortable or at least accustomed to things supports the status quo - that dangerous inertia I see everywhere.

Blogger The Cooler January 12, 2019 4:00 PM  

Conservatism -- Inc. or otherwise -- has a branding problem so severe that the label should be dropped altogether.

Plus Alt-Right is just sexy, y'all. Kill your darlings.

Blogger Silver Chief January 12, 2019 4:19 PM  

@24. OGRE January 12, 2019 1:19 PM
...
Exactly. The conservatives act as if Economic Efficiency is the ultimate moral good;
as if utility can only be measured in terms of currency, and that which is not quantifiable in terms of currency is of no value. This leaves them blind to eveb the possibility that maximizing efficiency can potentially result in very undesirable and immoral outcomes.


Yes. Some socities have values in addition to cheaper stuff. Taleb said that the most efficient bank might be a single bank but that it is too fragile and will take the country down with it.

Tucker Carlson gave a monologue Jan. 2, 2019 that just touched on this. A great speech. He said conservatives have a lot to unlearn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuQ-AyiicA

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke January 12, 2019 4:28 PM  

Humanism/Classical Liberalism, has no teeth. NAP be damned, in principle open assassination of incompetent statesmen or military leaders should be permitted in principle and reason, by subordinates. No military would be insanity, by those openly evil enough to exercise force and slavery. Personally I think Whiggism makes the most sense to me, but I don't think the current level of society would support it.

Conservatism is a complete disaster and was still born on it's conception.

Believing that a man was the literal embodiment of God, not quite sure what to think. Only that Theism is the only way evil can exist, and maybe even ergo existence. Without Theism, Nationalism has no soul, can't even take hold. Italy, Russia, Poland & Hungary prime contemporary examples.

Else, every man for himself. Still.. who is the best put together guy to listen to?

Blogger NO GOOGLES January 12, 2019 4:29 PM  

It has been surprising to watch Tucker Carlson go from Cuck Republican Errand Boy to the pig who keeps finding acorns. Refreshing to see that even in the media/DC bubble people are waking up.

Blogger Up from the pond January 12, 2019 4:38 PM  

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Blogger Up from the pond January 12, 2019 4:40 PM  

John Best wrote:Mussolini and Hitler were imperialists, fascism and national socialism were imperialist in Italy and Germany.

Hitler just wanted Germany to have room to live.

He called it "Lebensraum." That's German for "room to live."

I'm not sure the propaganda that he wanted to exterminate everyone to Germany's east is any more true than the propaganda that he wanted to invade America and send our women to breeding camps.

But if it's true, there is still the problem of a nation's needing space to live in.

For example, how will a nation restrict population growth? Limits on how many children a couple may have? Abortion? Seasonal sacrifices to Moloch?

And even setting aside the population question, consider resources. If one nation has better access to the sea, or richer oil or mineral deposits, or a better climate or better soil for growing food, then other nations will naturally want these things.

Any nation is subject to expansionary pressures. This is why internationalism, at least in its imperial form, develops from nationalism.

Think of it this way. You have a number of tribes in various terrains. The tribes fight with each other, win, lose, expand, contract, etc. ceaselessly. After the fact, intellectuals give the outcomes impressive-sounding names: "This is nationalism. That other one was internationalism... That one was imperialism, this one is transnationalism capitalism, the one over there is socialist vampirism, this other one was Deus Veut. That one was inappropriate, this one is appropriate," etc. But all that's real are the survival actions of the tribes - the play of power.

So why not expand if, like any living thing, you need the space, the resources, the light and air? "Conquer the other tribe and take their stuff" is what life boils down to periodically, all through history, despite free market theory.

Blogger Solon January 12, 2019 4:45 PM  

And we could get freedom and nationalism in one maneuver: nationalize the Fed

Blogger Desert Screamer January 12, 2019 4:45 PM  

And what about China? Are They nationalist or globalist? Or both?

Blogger Servant of the Chief January 12, 2019 5:12 PM  

China is China and will always be so, and has always viewed the rest of the world as uppity vassals it just hasn't been able to get a proper lid on, whether or not they know they are. The last two hundred years has not been kind to their self regard.

Blogger Silver Chief January 12, 2019 5:25 PM  

Part 1
Forgive this simple minded long post but I see that cheap stuff is the ‘conservative’ dogma. I believe some could benefit from a simple minded exposition as I could have long ago. Most here do not need this. I never had any formal political science training which may have been just as well. I learn from specific examples.
I was raised very liberal but drifted right when I noticed that there was evil in the world, the proletariat was being shot in the back going West (not East) over the Berlin Wall, and the poverty of communism. Reading Ayn Rand was and is a very useful antidote, as long as you do not join the cult or take her as the entire answer. Ayn Rand said she was not conservative. Huh? I noticed differences among cultures across the US and reading Ethnic America helped. I picked up A Conservative Reader but could not understand a word of it. Huh? Wasn’t I a conservative?

Blogger Silver Chief January 12, 2019 5:26 PM  

Part 2
Working in New England many decades ago McDonalds wanted to put a restaurant on the town rotary. The locals were up in arms. As a ‘conservative’ I thought the local govt should not interfere in the free market etc. Then I asked what if the locals wanted to conserve what was? Long after I recall an entire state (Vermont?) wanted to ban big box stores. I learned that the Japanese govt favored small retailers. France wanted to ban Disneyland. Etc. I figured out the difference between free market economics and conservatism. Reading a Conflict of Visions crystallized some issues for me.
One big weakness of legal and illegal immigration does not even depend on cultural conservatism. Many do not pay their own way financially. They are a net tax loss with the loss externalized to the public. Some of the private profit is kicked back to politicians as campaign contributions.
Differing East and West German govts provided an interesting experiment. Differing Poland and German immigration policies will be even more so.

Blogger dienw January 12, 2019 5:31 PM  

He called it "Lebensraum." That's German for "room to live."

What is Israeli for room to live?

Blogger Gen. Kong January 12, 2019 5:49 PM  

Socialism isn't really an ideology and certainly isn't a principle, it is merely a tool used to obtain and keep power. Heinlein's famous description of two types of people holds true and those who want to control everyone have expanded their ambition globally.

This is quite accurate - though it must be added that the socialist rank-and-file (think of the hapless millennial 'Bernie-Bros') haven't a clue. They're the ones who are stupid enough to actually fall for the scam. The clown who wrote the book, Karl Marx, could never support himself or his family. He had to rely on a fat-cat (Friedrich Engels) who was the very epitome of the exploitative 19th-century arch-capitalist swine. Why didn't this strange association raise questions amongst the faithful? A little later, the Marxist agitators V. Ulyanov (Lenin) and Lev Bornstein (Trotsky) were sent into Russia along with 5 million gold marks from the Warpurg banking cartel to hijack the Kerensky regime (who evidently wasn't strip-mining the place fast enough for the banksters). The 5 million gold marks bought the services of lots of the armed deserters roaming the cities in the wake of the Russian army's collapse on the Eastern front - the foundation of the Red Army commanded by Trotsky. Again, the faithful were either utterly clueless - or those who raised questions about the strange relationship between mega-capitalists and socialist leaders just conveniently disappeared. The whole thing was a racket from the start. Never see a Bernie-Bro question all those funds flowing in from Soros, et al do you?

The flip-side is the scam that the idiots over at places like FreeRepublic refer to as the "free-market". Nobody ever asks: How is a rigged market free in any way? When one group of actors in a 'market' have a machine to print endless supplies of 'money', said market will inevitably end up as a rigged casino for members of the club - and (to paraphrase George Carlin) you ain't a member, zek.

Blogger Gen. Kong January 12, 2019 5:53 PM  

What is Israeli for room to live?

I thin they call it "Greater Israel". The Likudniks believe in Lebensraum too - but just for them.

Blogger Jack Amok January 12, 2019 5:53 PM  

History and theory don’t matter to socialists because they imagine society can be engineered.

Engineering requires understanding the material the engineer is working with. Socialists don't understand people. They have about as much success as the Cubans who build that pedestrian bridge down in Florida.

Blogger Silver Chief January 12, 2019 5:53 PM  

@21. tz January 12, 2019 12:41 PM
The error and problem is Western Civilization Middle Class isn't optimally efficient. Wal-Mart can do things cheaper than Mom & Pop. And Mexico and China can make things cheaper than a local factory. But the cheapness is measured in dollars and the dearness is measured in hope v.s. despair.


Most people cannot compete on an international wage scale. Not US civil servants, doctors, nurses, teachers, etc. The trick is to get a govt protected job. Best is a govt job. Next is a job protectd by govt enforced certification.

Have you noticed the CVs of the US govt people going after Trump? They are top tier schools and grades going back at least to HS. Getting a fed govt job is what these lawyers are scrambling for. They are avoiding international wage competition. They also trade on elite contacts made in these elite institutions in order to avoid competition.

When US manufacuring jobs are lost to cheaper foreign wages free market types treat that as an act of God. Nothing can be done. Tariffs are the mark of ignoramuses they say. Their theories/dogmas 'prove' that tariffs are bad.

Civil service jobs have an infintely high tariff protecteng them. Medical professionals have a very high tariff protecting them. Medical devices? Drugs? Cross the US border into MX and find out.

Suddenly no concern about 'efficiencies.'


Blogger The Remnant January 12, 2019 6:05 PM  

Too true. If the nation-state is preserved as the sovereign unit, foolish ideologies such as socialism are eventually washed out by international competition. Globalism is the only way that oligarchs and tyrants can transform us into permanent serfs. They know it, which is why they're fighting so hard for it.

Blogger John Best January 12, 2019 6:25 PM  

@58 Yeah, tell me how big was the German Empire at the end of WW2? So much more living room, resources and people.

Blogger The Cooler January 12, 2019 6:36 PM  

Socialism isn't really an ideology and certainly isn't a principle, it is merely a tool used to obtain and keep power.

You, me and Corn Nut not liking Rum doesn't mean it isn't liquor.

Socialism is the body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of the individual, group, class, culture or nation of it's adherents, as well as the comprehensive and fundamental economic doctrine of it's subscribers. It is, by definition, both an ideology and a principle, therefore.

Neither Socialism nor Capitalism tend towards the mean. Unfettered, both become equally oppressive, suppressive and dismissive of the people that are these systems' putative reason for being, as whatever wealth is present is parasitized by the elites who actually own these systems, such that these systems eventually fail for everyone but the elites themselves.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 12, 2019 6:46 PM  

@15

"You can spout all the fake moon landing and flat Earth stuff you like, start asking why there are literally zero Jewish janitors in a country of 350 million people and watch (((them))) start frothing at the mouth.

The problem is once you see it you can't un-see it."

It's kind of like after the movie "They Live" came out, (some sort of aliens whose heads looked almost like skulls with eyeballs using mass media and advertising to conduct thought-control on the public), various Jewish groups started denouncing it as "anti-semitic," even though there isn't even the slightest mention of ANY religion, save for a church, which gets raided by the police, and the next time we see it, the cross and every other sign of Christianity is removed (just as the (((Bolsheviks))) had done to Russian churches).

To which the obvious question is: "Why would you think the aliens represent anti-you, unless YOU recognize your actions as being just like the villianous aliens?"

Because the visual portrayal of the aliens certainly wouldn't draw any connections with Jews -- hell, the aliens don't even have noses.

Blogger Crew January 12, 2019 6:57 PM  

Because the visual portrayal of the aliens certainly wouldn't draw any connections with Jews -- hell, the aliens don't even have noses.

Well, by not giving them noses they were clearly referring to the Jews!

Blogger DonReynolds January 12, 2019 7:04 PM  

The Cooler wrote:Socialism isn't really an ideology and certainly isn't a principle, it is merely a tool used to obtain and keep power.

You, me and Corn Nut not liking Rum doesn't mean it isn't liquor.

Socialism is the body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of the individual, group, class, culture or nation of it's adherents, as well as the comprehensive and fundamental economic doctrine of it's subscribers. It is, by definition, both an ideology and a principle, therefore.

Neither Socialism nor Capitalism tend towards the mean. Unfettered, both become equally oppressive, suppressive and dismissive of the people that are these systems' putative reason for being, as whatever wealth is present is parasitized by the elites who actually own these systems, such that these systems eventually fail for everyone but the elites themselves.


Ok, I will bite, since you keep saying it....

Just exactly what do you consider oppressive, suppressive, and dismissive by Capitalism of anybody?

Have you been reading more of John Kenneth Galbraith's nonsense about everyone having a right to be lazy and that should not diminish their material well-being?

Blogger Dirk Manly January 12, 2019 7:16 PM  

@26

"
Though I agree with Tucker about having to lie and make it a safety issue, I think there genuinely is a safety issue. We have proven again and again to be incapable of building secure systems."

It is impossible to secure a driverless truck. All you have to do is box it in, and then slowly come to a stop. Since the truck is behind a car that isn't moving, it won't move either. Now, unless the trailer is a bank fault on wheels, it will take little to break into it and loot the entire thing. With a little ingenuity, you could even unload the trailer of the driverless truck into the trailer of another truck, on the road, even full pallets, with a 3rd vehicle, and make off with the entire load within 10 minutes.

Whoever buys these trucks will either be liable for the stolen cargo, or the insurance companies, seeing the obvious security issue, will charge them through the nose to indemnify against losing a load.

A normal driver could never had such a thing happen -- if you know your load is about to be unloaded due to your vehicle being stopped, all you have to do is put your vehicle into motion -- preferably backing up over the people trying to open your cargo doors, and then forwards over one of the vehicles in front of you blocking your forward progress.

Those who try to disemploy their drivers will have the entire thing blow up in their faces.

Blogger James Dixon January 12, 2019 7:35 PM  

> ...all the argylbargle is nothing more than layers upon layers of pseudophilosophical camo trying to hide Satan's ongoing efforts to seduce souls away from God.

If you're a Christian, that sort of goes without saying.



Blogger Dirk Manly January 12, 2019 7:40 PM  

@30

Kind of like the first appearance of Angel Eyes in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpjWox_c9Ig

Blogger Ryan G January 12, 2019 7:53 PM  

@71

The Cooler: "Neither Socialism nor Capitalism tend towards the mean."
False. Socialist policies relentlessly seek the mean for everything; hence why they always fail. You knock down the top to bring up the bottom and all you get is stagnation. Absent the incentive to excel, you are only left with mediocrity. Socialist systems can eke by for a time by cannibalizing the social and economic capital built up by previous capitalist times, but the overall trend is downward: what was previously mediocre becomes excellence, and since excellence is punished, fewer people will strive to even reach that.

The Cooler: "Unfettered, both become equally oppressive, suppressive and dismissive of the people that are these systems' putative reason for being, as whatever wealth is present is parasitized by the elites who actually own these systems, such that these systems eventually fail for everyone but the elites themselves."
And who does the fettering? Businesses within capitalist systems cannot be 'dismissive' of their consumers. On the contrary, they must be *highly responsive* to their consumers or they will eventually go out of business. In stark contrast, bureaucracies are only accountable to their 'consumers' by several degrees of separation to those people's representatives. That's the whole reason people talk about the "deep state". It's become an un-elected, unaccountable de facto 4th branch of government that apparently does whatever it pleases.

Blogger eclecticme January 12, 2019 7:58 PM  


@72. Dirk Manly January 12, 2019 6:46 PM
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It's kind of like after the movie "They Live" came out, (some sort of aliens whose heads looked almost like skulls with eyeballs using mass media and advertising to conduct thought-control on the public), various Jewish groups started denouncing it as "anti-semitic," even though there isn't even the slightest mention of ANY religion, save for a church, which gets raided by the police, and the next time we see it, the cross and every other sign of Christianity is removed (just as the (((Bolsheviks))) had done to Russian churches)


You mean the movie was edited to remove the crosses or the crosses were removed by the police in the movie? it has been a while since I saw the movie.

Blogger SciVo January 12, 2019 8:14 PM  

Dominik K. wrote:A question guys:

does either nationalism or globalism imply an economical system? Can nationalism be socialism, communism or free market ?


Globalism implies centralism, which implies cronyism. It doesn't really matter whether it pretends to be capitalism or socialism; it will always end up in the same place, where the quickest way for a poor man to get rich is to find favor with the Insiders, and the quickest way for a rich man to get poor (or dead) is to fall out of favor.

You may note that the U.S. is already very much like that; it is not a coincidence that we are also infected by creeping centralism, as the Feds usurp State power.

Nationalism could theoretically go along with any economic system, but the more cronyist it is the more globalist it will become, as the Insiders work for their own narrow benefit. This implies that socialism is the worst for nationalism, as it is inherently centralist and cronyist.

Basically, if a nation does not remain explicitly devoted to the principle of subsidiarity in its internal affairs, then it will become accustomed to anarcho-tyranny; and then it will become a vector for it, externalizing its dysfunction.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 12, 2019 8:22 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:It is impossible to secure a driverless truck. All you have to do is box it in, and then slowly come to a stop. Since the truck is behind a car that isn't moving, it won't move either

I was actually referring to their desire to allow over-the-air updates of the software. I don't think they can resist allowing the system to "update" itself.

I never even though of theft scenarios. Using the safety features to basically disable the truck.

I personally think true AI is going to take longer to develop than some people are saying. AI has only recently got anything good, but they have been promising more for a long time. They cannot help themselves here either. They are deliberately handicapping the AI, lest the AI become "sexist" and "racist!" And I'm not even talking about the Alt-Right twitter-bot. AI figures out blacks are more violent than whites right away, even when it is specifically forbidden from taking race into account or even knowing the race. It ends up just being racist by proxy. It ends up drawing circles around black zip codes and even figures out names like Tyrone better predict a future crime than does Kyle or Chad.

Blogger Stilicho January 12, 2019 9:58 PM  

@71 socialism has no goals or aspirations beyond power and control. Sure, they want to use that power to steal, indulge their whims and vices along the way but power and control are the alpha and omega of socialism. (hey would literally rather rule over a shithole than live better and longer in a free society. If you've fallen into the old trap of believing their propaganda about what they believe, then you're too short for this ride. They believe they should have the power to despoil and command everyone. That is all and it is literally Satanic: a solipsistic satanism that holds "do what I wilt shall be the whole of the law".

Blogger Stilicho January 12, 2019 10:01 PM  

In simpler terms, pursuit of power isn't a political or economic philosophy, it is simply pursuit of power. Window dressing to camouflage that pursuit of power isn't a philosophy either, it is just noise and word salad.

Blogger Chris Mallory January 12, 2019 10:49 PM  

eclecticme wrote:

@72. Dirk Manly January 12, 2019 6:46 PM

...

It's kind of like after the movie "They Live" came out, (some sort of aliens whose heads looked almost like skulls with eyeballs using mass media and advertising to conduct thought-control on the public), various Jewish groups started denouncing it as "anti-semitic," even though there isn't even the slightest mention of ANY religion, save for a church, which gets raided by the police, and the next time we see it, the cross and every other sign of Christianity is removed (just as the (((Bolsheviks))) had done to Russian churches)


You mean the movie was edited to remove the crosses or the crosses were removed by the police in the movie? it has been a while since I saw the movie.



The video at Daily Motion still shows crosses when Piper first breaks into the church. The steeple is a large cross and there is a cross on the wall in the sanctuary.
Manly is probably wrong again like he is so many other times.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 12, 2019 11:31 PM  

Identity > ideology.
Blood is thicker than water.

Those who believe the opposite will always be vulnerable to exploitation by strongly-identified ethnic groups who can manipulate ideologies to serve their own group interests.

Neoconservatives do not identify with, and do not seek to advance the interests of, the historic American nation.

Of course, the problem is greatly complicated by the prevalence of self-hatred/ explicit out-group preference indoctrinated into most white nations in the current year.

@25
As it now turns out the nationalistic socialism of the soviet union has been better for its nations than conservatism.

See also: Hajnal line and its implications for the trade-off between high trust and tribalism.

@32
The Soviet Union wasn't nationalistic socialism. It was international socialism.

He's talking about Stalin's "socialism in one country" vs. Leninism/ Trotskyism, I believe.

@66
Or "Eretz Israel."

Blogger The Cooler January 12, 2019 11:43 PM  

@74 Just exactly what do you consider oppressive, suppressive, and dismissive by Capitalism

The history of Capitalism reveals over and over again that actual prosperity flows upwards while the illusion of prosperity trickles down. This is doubly so as regards opportunity within a Capitalist system whose regulations, such as they are, inherently promote serfdom of the people for which the system should exist. You seem to be chomping at the bit to see my observations of Capitalism-as-it-has-manifested contra Capitalism-as-intended as some sort of pro-Socialist rebuke of Capitalism per se. Which means you are gay.

Does crony Capitalism exist? The answer is yes, of course, and it exists because the system itself is owned by the same people who would otherwise own a Socialist system, were that system more advantageous because reasons.

Hair trigger champions of Capitalism do not realize that the onus is on they -- should they genuinely wish to be coherent -- to propose an adjustment to Capitalism per se that ensures Capitalism as intended.

So get on it, Boomer.

Scratch that, just die.

@78 False. Socialist policies relentlessly seek the mean for everything

As does unfettered Capitalism, although the mirage of benefit takes on a different form.

Absent the incentive to excel, you are only left with mediocrity. Socialist systems can eke by for a time by cannibalizing the social and economic capital built up by previous capitalist times, but the overall trend is downward: what was previously mediocre becomes excellence, and since excellence is punished, fewer people will strive to even reach that.

All true. But also true of unfettered Capitalism. TRILLIONS to be made from mediocrity.

Is this the part where you defend the richest 10% holding 80ish% of wealth and 84% of all stocks? Are you that guy? Don't be that guy.

And who does the fettering?

There is none, that is the point. Only the illusion of regulation meant to placate people into thinking they have equal opportunity and are participating in some meaningful way. Which is horseshittery co-equal to "Proposition Nation."

Businesses within capitalist systems cannot be 'dismissive' of their consumers.

They can and are. And it is only ramping up. Consumers will buy whatever the television and their Space Face feed tells them to. It's been this way for a very, very long time.

On the contrary, they must be *highly responsive* to their consumers or they will eventually go out of business.

You're just spouting retard-tier pablum now. Businesses must be highly responsive to glitches in the matrix, not consumers, per se.

[...] the "deep state". It's become an un-elected, unaccountable de facto 4th branch of government that apparently does whatever it pleases.

Yes, correct. 'Capitalists' one and all.

@82 and @83 socialism has no goals or aspirations beyond power and control.

The End Game of Socialism does not disqualify Socialism as an ideology or principle. That it was neither an ideology nor principle was your original assertion. You were wrong.

If you've fallen into the old trap of believing their propaganda about what they believe, then you're too short for this ride.

I don't believe Socialist propaganda, no. I don't believe any propaganda, in fact, including Capitalist propaganda. And yawn with parroting Voxisms.

They believe they should have the power to despoil and command everyone.

As do the actual owners of the current iteration of Capitalism.

In simpler terms, pursuit of power isn't a political or economic philosophy, it is simply pursuit of power. Window dressing to camouflage that pursuit of power isn't a philosophy either, it is just noise and word salad.

Goalposts, son. That Socialism was neither an ideology or principle was your original assertion. You were and remain incorrect.





Blogger The Cooler January 13, 2019 12:01 AM  

correction @71:

Neither Socialism nor Capitalism tend towards benefiting the mean.

Blogger DonReynolds January 13, 2019 1:32 AM  

The Cooler.....

So the answer to my two questions would be.....you cannot think of any....and no.

Blogger Dire Badger January 13, 2019 1:42 AM  

DonReynolds wrote:Ok, I will bite, since you keep saying it....

Just exactly what do you consider oppressive, suppressive, and dismissive by Capitalism of anybody?

Have you been reading more of John Kenneth Galbraith's nonsense about everyone having a right to be lazy and that should not diminish their material well-being?


two words.

"Company Store".

Unfettered, unhindered, and uncontrolled capitalism, with all the corporatism, monopolism, and regional control it implies, makes slaves of most people every bit as much as socialism does. It's just what they call their slaves that changes.

Blogger Up from the pond January 13, 2019 1:51 AM  

@70:

We have only ourselves -- or the United States Imperium -- to blame for that, John.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 13, 2019 3:51 AM  

@79

"You mean the movie was edited to remove the crosses or the crosses were removed by the police in the movie? it has been a while since I saw the movie."

The police removed every sign of it being a church.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 13, 2019 3:53 AM  

"The video at Daily Motion still shows crosses when Piper first breaks into the church. The steeple is a large cross and there is a cross on the wall in the sanctuary.
Manly is probably wrong again like he is so many other times."

And then later, the crosses have been removed.

Therefore, not wrong.


Reading comprehension fail is YOU.

Blogger James Dixon January 13, 2019 7:50 AM  

> Businesses within capitalist systems cannot be 'dismissive' of their consumers. On the contrary, they must be *highly responsive* to their consumers or they will eventually go out of business.

Unless they're an effective monopoly, in which case they don't care what the customer thinks, only the regulators.

How responsive is Microsoft to your concerns? Your telephone company? Your cable provider? Your electric provider? The MSM?

Blogger Stilicho January 13, 2019 7:51 AM  

@cooler I don't care about your feelz. Pursuit of power is not an ideology nor do the "principles" of socialism consist of anything else. To put it lizard-speak: socialism is NOT a body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of the individual, group, class, culture or nation of it's adherents... that's just the branding you fell for because you boomer teacher told you so. It also tastes great and is less filling, no?

Go LARP with Anglin.

Blogger Johnny January 13, 2019 8:06 AM  

The internet is new enough that they haven't figured out how to work the censorship yet. Thus they are still thrashing about trying different things. State power depends on getting it right. Too much and it backfires and society revolts or stagnates.

It would seem the neocon leadership is nothing more than old wealth. People whose families have had wealth for so long that it seems to them the natural state of things. Thus justified by assumption.

Blogger xevious2030 January 13, 2019 8:19 AM  

@4
That is the struggle.

Blogger The Cooler January 13, 2019 8:21 AM  

@94 You on the spectrum? You have no argument, merely edicts. Which is, I expect, why you haven't made an argument. Your only hope here, bud, would be to ditch the moldy rhetorical barbs and go full on sneaky word fag. So you've chosen wisely, I suppose.



Blogger Random #57 January 13, 2019 9:15 AM  

@93 James Dixon:

> Businesses within capitalist systems cannot be 'dismissive' of their consumers. On the contrary, they must be *highly responsive* to their consumers or they will eventually go out of business.

Unless they're an effective monopoly, in which case they don't care what the customer thinks, only the regulators.

How responsive is Microsoft to your concerns? Your telephone company? Your cable provider? Your electric provider? The MSM?


Government created monopolies like your telephone, cable, and electrical companies may be "within a capitalist system" but not in any useful sense. And my telephone and electrical companies are very responsive in establishing service and fixing it, even if they don't listen to me about what they offer at what price.

Companies that aren't government regulated monopolies are in much greater danger of "eventually going out of business." See Sears for example.

And while Microsoft's not showing signs going out of business any time soon, it's not doing so well. It wasn't able to translate its operating system and office suite monopolies into even success in new markets like smartphones, at least not for very long. And no one who's not locked into their ecosystem uses Windows in the cloud.

To take another example, my local Walmart doesn't directly consult me about what products they offer, but it's very responsive in every other form of service I ask for.

Blogger Avalanche January 13, 2019 9:16 AM  

@38 "Driverless cars"

Open argument:
Blue screen of death.
End argument.

Blogger Avalanche January 13, 2019 9:19 AM  

@45 "Reversed is a good word to use, the lack of headway has turned into a reversal. Which I suppose is likely if a party has absolutely no interest in moving an issue forward, inevitable if there are serious forces in the other direction."

Any organization not sufficiently on guard and willing to always act against SJWs / entryism will eventually be taken over by SJWs. No exceptions.

Blogger Avalanche January 13, 2019 9:38 AM  

@52 " 'angels dancing on the head of a pin' vibe at Sailer and his boomer/TradCon commenters who think they're really edgy. Gentle sarcasm and noticing has its place, but for too many it provides a comfortable end point."

I use this sort of view when first working to awaken some folks "on the Right." I have always said that "voices on the Right" -- like, say, Rush Limbaugh and all the other 'approved opposition' -- are generally PRESSURE RELIEF VALVES! The majority of folks (who think they are) on the Right are being ... diverted ... (oh, hey look: here's JBP and his weasel show too!) because the Rightie gets upset about some latest violation and start muttering about doing something. Then they hear ol' Rushbo ranting about it on their morning drive, and the Rightie calms down, "Whew! Well, SOMEONE is taking care of it! SOMEone will save us! Rush is on the job." Not just no, but HELL no!

When the pressure builds too far, our enemies 'suddenly produce' a shiny new pressure relief valve (Candace?), to release the pressure off the boiling Right -- and allow the machine to keep working!

And, oh MAN, Vox's graphs of Shapiro and JBP being "created and pushed" are just horrifying!


We used to have a little weekly gathering we privately called 'hate dinners.' It was 8-10 of us getting together in private to discuss freely what was going on. A new 'member' (who lost his job for speaking the tiniest bit of truth at his job) started coming. Smart man, was surprised by what we knew, but learned a lot over the months.

One night he came in and announced: "I had to stop watching CNN! It's ENTIRELY jewish propaganda! I never saw it till now, and now I see it's constant!" (We regulars all smiled and nodded to each other.) Then he said: "thank goodness I still have the Wall Street Journal." (And we all laughed.)

Another several months, and he came in ranting one night: "OMG!! The WSJ IS ENTIRELY jewish propaganda! HOW could I never have seen that before?!?"

We applauded him.

Blogger Avalanche January 13, 2019 10:13 AM  

@64 "He called it "Lebensraum." That's German for "room to live."
What is Israeli for room to live?"

{disgusted:} America. (And probably the rest of the western world!)

Blogger Avalanche January 13, 2019 10:31 AM  

@86 "The history of Capitalism reveals over and over again that actual prosperity flows upwards while the illusion of prosperity trickles down."

Really? Are you living in a hovel? Got a big-screen TV? Cell phone? CAR?! Way more food than you need? Nice clothes and lots of them? Helluva GREAT illusion!!

Yes, 'actual' prosperity flow upwards -- and SO DO THE PEOPLE! (At least the ones with brains and a work ethic.) I remember reading some big-wig Boston pol (several decades ago; civil-rights era). He had a 'delegation' of negroes come in raising hell about "dey peepo bein' poor. The gummint should be gibs-dem-moah..."

This pol stopped them, and pointed out that HE, personally, had been raised poor and he'd lived through the Depression. When he was a kid, his family often did not even have food for the day. Back then (he was old when his office was invaded); there WAS no welfare, no food stamps, nor any other money transfers. He told them stop saying that HE did not know what it was like to be poor.

Of course, it didn't shut them up for long....

Blogger Avalanche January 13, 2019 10:32 AM  

"Does crony Capitalism exist? The answer is yes, of course, and it exists because the system itself is owned by the same people"

Maybe we need to start calling it Christian capitalism? Like we need to recreate Christian science?

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 13, 2019 10:33 AM  

Johnny wrote:The internet is new enough that they haven't figured out how to work the censorship yet. Thus they are still thrashing about trying different things

It's not that they don't know how, it's that they didn't want to. Had they done all this stuff back in the early days, a lot of these sites wouldn't even exist today. They did not want to interfere with Internet growth.

But then Brexit happened and then Trump happened. These were very real high profile attacks on the system. These things would not have happened without the Internet. When you become effective against power, power notices and fights back.

Blogger Stilicho January 13, 2019 10:42 AM  

@ cooler, still no substantive response I see. While you may enjoy your ride on the short bus, it isn't going where you think.

Blogger The Cooler January 13, 2019 11:36 AM  

1.) Stilicho makes assertion.

2.) Cooler disproves assertion.

3.) Stilicho presents same assertion, calls Cooler nincomppoop, then moves goalpoasts.

4.) Cooler backs up and expands upon refutation of Stilicho's assertion; calls Stilicho out on mobile goalposts.

5.) Stilicho triples down.

6.) Cooler calls out Stilicho for not presenting an argument.

7.) Stilicho calls Cooler dummy, accuses Cooler of lacking substantive response.

Stilicho wins!

Blogger Stilicho January 13, 2019 1:46 PM  

Shouting "it's got what plants crave" doesn't prove anything about Brawndo, much less demonstrate that socialism is anything of substance beyond a pursuit of power or even address the subject. Go back to window licking at daily stormer.

"Stilicho wins"

It's not about winning, it's about recognizing bullshit and projection.

Blogger Jack Amok January 13, 2019 3:14 PM  

If socialism is a philosophy and not merely a tarted up power grab, perhaps The Cooler can come up with an example of when the philosophy of socialism advocated for less power for a socialist government.

Blogger The Cooler January 13, 2019 3:31 PM  

Last time. Expanded and enhanced with lots of formatting and CAPS such that even the exceptionally thick can understand it:

Socialism is -- in fact and regardless of whether or not you or I subscribe to it -- the body of ideas of which it is comprised reflecting the social needs and aspirations of the individual, group, class, culture or nation of it's adherents, as well as the comprehensive and fundamental economic doctrine of it's subscribers. It is, BY DEFINITION, both an ideology and a principle in contradistinction to the ideology and principle(s) of Capitalism, therefore. The very fact that Socialism stands in general and particular contradistinction to Capitalism indicates a difference of both ideological and principled kind. We can refer to and juxtapose these different ideas and principles. WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT SINCE THE MID-17th CENTURY. The end goal of neither Socialism nor Capitalism dictate whether or not either are definitely principled or ideological. That both are have a foundation that serves as a means of understanding the ideas of each, does.

And water is wet, the sky is blue, fire is hot, so on and so forth.

Let me guess. Stilicho wins again!

Blogger The Cooler January 13, 2019 3:33 PM  

Morons. I'm NOT A SOCIALIST. lol

Lawdy...

Blogger Dirk Manly January 13, 2019 5:40 PM  

@86

"
Does crony Capitalism exist? The answer is yes, of course,"

You're talking about when some industry leader bribes some politicians to create a situation where all of the competitors are wiped out, and calling that some sort of "... capitalism" rather than calling it what it ACTUALLY is -- which is SOCIALISM.

Hate to break it to you, you need to go back to playing with the Tonka trucks in the sandbox, because you're wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too short for this rid.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 13, 2019 5:44 PM  

@110

Yes, Stilicho wins again, because that's a foregone conclusion considering that he's arguing with a retard.

Blogger Jack Amok January 13, 2019 6:08 PM  

Cooler, the problem with arguing against Stilcho's claim that socialism is a power grab by insisting socialism is a philosophy is that all the philosophy of socialism amounts to is claiming that socialists need to have effectively unlimited power.

That's why I suggested finding an instance where socialist philosophy suggested socialists should have less government power. I am not aware of any - perhaps you know of one?




Blogger eclecticme January 13, 2019 9:44 PM  


@99. Avalanche January 13, 2019 9:16 AM
@38 "Driverless cars"
Open argument:
Blue screen of death.
End argument.


I hate to go Gamma here but I doubt any real time control systems use anything related to windows products for any control. Especially for airplanes or military. Windows is just way too flakey. Maybe used for display purposes or maybe not.

Back in the day process control systems used home grown real time OSs. Some display functionality was taken over by windows products of some kind because they were cheaper and customers wanted windows. Windows based consoles are how the Stuxnet virus got into the Irnanian Siemens PLCs BTW. The windows virus used the windows console functionality to act as a human programmer to change the user written program part of the PLC.

Maybe military types here know what OS military or avionics controls are based on.

IMO driverless cars and trucks will happen when the insurance costs are low enough. Assesing risk is a good job for insurance companies. The AI only has to be better than humans, not perfect.

Blogger Brian January 14, 2019 2:41 PM  

I have been writing about many of the same ideas at my new blog lately. The so-called Conservative Movement never intended to conserve traditional American values. They adopted them in order to get us to support their endless wars, increased migration, and lower taxes. Yet they still pretend to be on our side. The division between Globalist and Nationalist is widening. https://declineandfallusa.wordpress.com/2019/01/14/conservatives-lost-the-war/

Blogger Polemicist January 14, 2019 9:17 PM  

Nationalists who defend capitalism for what they hope it could be or think it should be miss the point.

Big businesses have made an accommodation with the left and are more than happy to tack in that direction on social issues they don't care about in order to give themselves the freedom to tack to the right on the economic issues they do care about.


Racial and national survival is threatened by our long run of defeats on the social battlefield. By comparison, whether the trains are operated by privately-owned companies (as in Britain) or a state-owned one (as in France) has proved largely an irrelevance.


Blogger xevious2030 January 15, 2019 10:15 AM  

@98 and @93

“To take another example, my local Walmart doesn't directly consult me about what products they offer, but it's very responsive in every other form of service I ask for.”

The big warehouse type stores are not filled with wall to wall services. So their responsiveness in other areas is tangential, to use nice language. They deal mostly in products. And at a low price, which makes up for being dismissive. Though Walmart is not entirely dismissive of buying trends, both following and creating. What is offered, and at what price is a component of a capitalist system. Service may be carried out in a capitalist system, or a communist system, but it is the variety and the options that tend to differentiate them in practice, though both systems tend toward monopoly and Trust over time. Consolidation tends to be a norm over time. As the government becomes less responsive, over time, it is not unreasonable to expect quality of service will follow suit eventuality.

Rome was not built in a day, and the Senate owned slave class did not start out in numbers threatening the prosperity of the Plebians and the Equestrians of the days prior to Gaius Julius Caesar. Julius was not killed by the Senate for being a dictator, they were no better than such, he was killed specifically by the Senate because he was set to start freeing the slaves the Senators all owned. Or they believed him enough to take it a credible enough risk to their endeavors at transforming from Aristocracy to Oligarchy.

Blogger Random #57 January 15, 2019 8:14 PM  

@118 xevious2030:

@98 and @93

“To take another example, my local Walmart doesn't directly consult me about what products they offer, but it's very responsive in every other form of service I ask for.”

The big warehouse type stores are not filled with wall to wall services. So their responsiveness in other areas is tangential, to use nice language.


I mean direct services like returns and exchanges, including for their Walmart.com mail order service. Fast and efficient, no trying to weasel out of their commitments, then again I've only done legitimate ones. Or Walmart.com, which as long as you're spending more than $35 a purchase is superior to Amazon in most every way except selection, especially since you can trust Walmart's supply chain.

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