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Friday, January 11, 2019

Gamma philosophy

An exchange in the Darkstream comments:
Chunky Monkey
Vox has argued that what he calls uniquely high IQ people think holistically, and then turns around and tries to vaguely quantify everything while ironically using that as justification.

Darkstream
There is no quantification involved at all, vaguely or otherwise. You are confusing the concept of "categorization" with "quantification". They are two different things. As a general rule, don't try to correct your intellectual superiors, particularly using words you don't understand.
If you are a Gamma, or even have Gamma tendencies, you simply must learn to resist the urge to correct others, particularly those who are more intelligent than you are. Also, try to keep the adverbs to a minimum. Gammas love adverbs, because adverbs qualify verbs, which permits them to put themselves in the position of implicitly pronouncing judgment on the actions of others.

Categorical thinking is vital to understanding. In fact, categorical thinking is the foundation of Western philosophy, to such an extent that the Stanford Encyclopedia considers Aristotle's categorical system to be uniquely important.
Aristotle's Categories is a singularly important work of philosophy. It not only presents the backbone of Aristotle's own philosophical theorizing, but has exerted an unparalleled influence on the systems of many of the greatest philosophers in the western tradition. The set of doctrines in the Categories, which I will henceforth call categorialism, provides the framework of inquiry for a wide variety of Aristotle's philosophical investigations, ranging from his discussions of time and change in the Physics, to the science of being qua being in the Metaphysics, and even extending to his rejection of Platonic ethics in the Nicomachean Ethics. Looking beyond his own works, Aristotle's categorialism has engaged the attention of such diverse philosophers as Plotinus, Porphyry, Aquinas, Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, Locke, Berkeley, Hume, Kant, Hegel, Brentano and Heidegger (to mention just a few), who have variously embraced, defended, modified or rejected its central contentions. All, in their different ways, have thought it necessary to come to terms with features of Aristotle's categorial scheme.
Speaking of irony, it is more than a little ironic, it is downright remarkable that Chunky Monkey would attempt to use such a fundamentally philosophical action as categorical observation as a means of trying to disqualify and discredit someone.

UPDATE: in case you had any doubts whatsoever:
Chunky Monkey
As a rule, don't try to control definitions and back it up with a mealy mouthed ad hominem attack.  It is unnecessary reductionism and you know that.  I understand you want a catch term to discount people you have no interest in debating, but don't think many people can't sense that is what that is.

Darkstream
Chunky Monkey I literally created that definition, which is what the honest observer does rather than pervert existing definitions. Nor is it an ad hominem attack, "mealy mouthed" or otherwise, to observe that you are exhibiting classic gamma behavior. That's not argumentum ad hominem, because that's not WHY you are wrong.  You're just wrong because you don't know the difference between "categorize" and "quantify". Your improper use of words you don't understand, your use of adverbs to try to spin the situation, and your inability to simply admit that you are wrong are all entirely predictable. Because IN ADDITION to being wrong, you are, observably, a gamma male.

Chunky Monkey
Really missing the point. I have seen hundreds of internet personalities create their own version of 'x'-male: it is a cheap attack, and means nothing. You may as well call me a racist. This is why I made an obvious mischaracterization: only SJWs get triggered over not being able to control definitions. You have spent so much time studying and talking about SJWs and jordan peterson that the abyss has become you. It happens to the best of us, please do not think that because you are smart you somehow transcend your human tendencies.
Every. Single. Time. Secret King wins again!

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138 Comments:

Blogger FrankNorman January 11, 2019 6:17 AM  

A lot of people out there do not know what "categorical thinking" actually means. To quote Screwtape: "their language is all smudge and blur".

Where did that exchange take plae?

Blogger D Zniger January 11, 2019 6:38 AM  

Please guys, help me with the following question. Vox said in the Video "A foolish attack on American liberties" to the question if the Nazis were on the left or on the right: ..they were Universalists they
were imperialists they were not nationalist in any shape or form. I mean it´s absolutely absurd to an aggressive Empire led by a non national, a nationalist regime it's totally absurd..


Because I disagree, therefore I must be wrong :-). So much I have learned by listening to Vox, but I can´t find where my error is.
Have I not learned that nation derives from related through birth? Is the the austrian Hitler not as much German as an bavarian man? The same language, religion, customs and for hundreds of years a shared history through proximity and the holy german Empire. There are differences between the regions of the Germans. But if somebody so different like a person from Schleswig and a person from Baden can call themself a german national, than there should be no problem to call an Austrian a German in 1933.

The other point is, that I would love to call a NAZI a fake national. But haven´t they pushed the nation idea as being related by birth? All in the East they found the progeny of german emigrates and gave them the chance to be "VOLKSDEUTSCHE".

Granted, they established an Empire, were Eugenics with killing "UNTERMENSCHEN", calling themself "HERRENMENSCHEN", preferred other "ARYAN" races with things like "LEBENSBORN", but was the core not a naional one?

I wanted to ask the question before, but this was the first opportunity. So guys, or even the Darklord himself if he would be so kind, where is my error? Am I using wrong definitions?

Blogger Lushtree January 11, 2019 6:51 AM  

"Also, try to keep the adverbs to a minimum. Gammas love adverbs..."

Oof. This hurts. I have a slightly unhealthy liking for adverbs. Nice to know where that dysfunction comes from.

Blogger Lazarus January 11, 2019 7:05 AM  

D Zniger wrote:The same language, religion, customs and for hundreds of years a shared history through proximity and the holy german Empire.

Are Canadians the same as Americans?

Austria and Germany: Worlds Apart

What’s the difference between a German and an Austrian?
The German wants to understand Austrians, but can’t.
The Austrian understands Germans, but doesn’t want to.
– Quoted in “Germany/Austria: Divided by a common language” by Filip Gańczak

Blogger D Zniger January 11, 2019 7:20 AM  

@Lazarus

There are more differences between Canadians and Americans, than between like I said between a Bavarian and an Austrian.

Austria was always part of the common history of Germans. Until 1866 it was, as were all other german regions, part of the DEUTSCHER BUND. Only after that with dominance of Prussia and the founding what is today known as Germany, the Austrians went their way. So in 1933 there was not much time gone, where Austria was separated from the other Germans.

As I learned from Vox a nationstate is not the same as a nation. The so called Germany was essentially Prussia plus other regions. It was not home to all Germans.

To your quote. There are still recognitions in Germany that not all the regions are the same. You have the same quote for essentially every region in Germany, from Ostfriesen, Sachsen, Baden, Schwaben, Bayern, Berliner and on and on....
So it is a nice quote, funny, with some truth but the Germany in 1933 could be more comparable to the US today. Somebody from Minnesota is different than somebody from Floria or New York, even when they share the same language. With comparable I mean only the regional differences that exist in a nation.

Blogger Rick January 11, 2019 7:23 AM  

I want to say that Christ, in His own speech, relied on the enemy making categorical errors.
And those who could hear Him, heard Him. (“No one spake, as this man.”)

Blogger maniacprovost January 11, 2019 7:27 AM  

Ok guys you don't have to stop using adverbs.

I associated adverb abuse with mideot pretension and transparent amateur spin-doctoring; the latter is a gamma habit.

Blogger Rick January 11, 2019 7:27 AM  

He spoke almost exclusively in parables (I could argue). There is only one time (I could argue) where he did not speak in parable form. It was when he explained a parable (the sower).

Blogger camcleat January 11, 2019 7:29 AM  

@5

"Somebody from Minnesota is different than somebody from Floria or New York"

There's at least part of your error. You are still conflating "state" with nation. You admit the regional difference is a difference, but then for some reason dismiss it as non-categorizing.

People from Minnesota and Florida are not of the same nation. Look at the projected maps of how people thing the US state will break apart into nations; they have at least five.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that people from the Midwest don't understand Appalachian culture at all. Despite sharing a language, being of the same race and having a good bit of shared history, there's a huge chasm between the two, dare I say it, nations.

Blogger Rick January 11, 2019 7:33 AM  

“Slightly unhealthy liking”

That counts.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 11, 2019 7:46 AM  

My .02 gamma being feminine minded argue/debate/scold from the moralist standpoint or the Moral Level as Boyd would say to the exclusion of the physical and intellectual levels. Now that I think of it my time reading the peak oil chatter and the principles own blogs it was rather content free outside of its moralizing rhetoric. But that is what conservative intellectuals are for to provide the substance to lefty moralizing.

Blogger VD January 11, 2019 7:51 AM  

I can´t find where my error is.

Forget Austria. Was France part of Germany? Was Poland part of Germany? How about Italy?

Still can't figure out how the Nazis weren't nationalists?

Blogger FrankNorman January 11, 2019 7:58 AM  

The Left have invested much in conflating the concepts of nationalist and imperialist.

Blogger Dominik K. January 11, 2019 8:01 AM  

@VD

So a nationalist who is establishing an empire is becoming automatically an imperialist and no longer is a nationalist, even if he has a preference for other people of his nation?
Please dumb it down for me. Could we not say that the Nazis were national imerialists?

Blogger Guitar Man January 11, 2019 8:09 AM  

@14 You can't have it both ways.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 11, 2019 8:09 AM  

Monkey man all but used the line "it's not who we are", hat tip to Steve S.

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2019 8:10 AM  

No, Dominik. No more than social justice is a form of justice.

Blogger rumpole5 January 11, 2019 8:11 AM  

Re: "Being of the same race": I really don't consider myself to be of the "same race" as an Irishman or a Scots/Irish person from Appalachia. Those gap toothed, hard liquor chugging, ready fisted, pickup driving, lotto ticket buying chaps are about as different from me, and my Teutonic character, as an Afro American is. However, I'm wise enough to know that such men have preserved my country by their innate vitality, independent nature, and love of liberty.

Blogger Rick January 11, 2019 8:14 AM  

Irish diversity is our strength!

Blogger ZhukovG January 11, 2019 8:15 AM  

A political union between two nations does not change the two nations into one. The word 'Nationalist' is often misappropriated by people who are actually imperialists. A White Nationalist or a German Nationalist is really an Imperialist.

Take Germany for example. In the euphoria accompanying the German(Prussian) victory over the French Empire of Louis Napoleon, the various German Nations joined into the German Empire. Note that they honestly referred to the various conjoined German Nations as an Empire. They didn't try to insist that a Bavarian and a Prussian belonged to the same Nation.

The Nazis however were German Imperialists misappropriating the word Nationalist.

Again, White Nationalists are really White Imperialists.

Blogger Blaidd January 11, 2019 8:18 AM  

A lot of people out there do not know what "categorical thinking" actually means.

It's helpful to remember that for at least the last 40 years children have been indoctrinated into the idea that categorizing people is the worst moral evil. Even people who would naturally have no problem understanding the concept will self-flagellate when they discover they've been doing it.

Blogger VD January 11, 2019 8:22 AM  

So a nationalist who is establishing an empire is becoming automatically an imperialist and no longer is a nationalist, even if he has a preference for other people of his nation?

Yes. All imperialists have preferences for their own elite, which is usually the dominant nation of the empire. Hazony specifically addresses this in The Virtue of Nationalism.

Please dumb it down for me. Could we not say that the Nazis were national imperialists?

No. You are either a nationalist or an imperialist. The difference is that the imperialist wants his nation to rule over other nations. America is imperialist. Nazi Germany was imperialist. The EU is imperialist.

Blogger Dominik K. January 11, 2019 8:24 AM  

@Daniel
Seems be another of these words that were taught me with being stripped of their true meaning. God knows how many false words I'm still using every day.
Especially in Germany I would say that 95% would answer that the Nazis were far right nationalists and 99,9% that they were nationalists.
The change of meanings of words and definitions destroys any possibility for a discussion. Before you can talk with somebody you'd have to go through all the definitions.
A few days ago I was called an antisemite and protested. After looking into the newest Web version of a dictionary I had to agree that I am an antisemite. Before I thought that an antisemite is somebody who discriminates against a Jewish person, but after reading the newest definition it is somebody who says something negative about the Jewish religion or Israel. I don't like it how the Jews are slaughtering animals, and this point alone makes me an antisemite.
But I digressed... when I from now negate the Nazis being nationalists I will be seen as more crazy than before.

Blogger Dominik K. January 11, 2019 8:28 AM  

@VD

Thank you Vox. I'll have to read this book.
I have to say that I'm a little bit pissed and angry how many false definitions were brainwashed into me, and how many false conclusions stem from these.

Blogger Blaidd January 11, 2019 8:30 AM  

@Dominik

You'll find that no one gets more angry at the statement that Nazis weren't nationalist than the "Hitler did nothing wrong" crowd.

Blogger VD January 11, 2019 8:35 AM  

I have to say that I'm a little bit pissed and angry how many false definitions were brainwashed into me.

You should be. Why do you think they did it in the first place? So that you would naturally gravitate to false conclusions.

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2019 8:38 AM  

Dominik, yes. This fictionalized guide to the insidious definition-altering that has been attempted in society is helpful. What you call "brainwashing" George Orwell called Newspeak.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 11, 2019 8:39 AM  

I'm from Texas, and I feel like I'm in another country when I go to West Virginia, which was part of the CSA! Pennsylvania and New Jersey, where the United States was founded? Might as well be Paris, for all I care.

Race does not equal nation. Nations are a subset of race.

Blogger Subversive Saint January 11, 2019 8:42 AM  

Nice

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 11, 2019 8:43 AM  

Exhibit ZZZ of TDS:

Libertarians in Facebook screaming like incontinent old women at Trump, even after he has shut down 25% of the federal government! You'd think they would be in love with him for all of the things he has done that libertarians should be giddy about, such as troop withdrawals, the government shutdown, etc.

No, they are drinking pure estrogen and going straight to hot flashes.

Blogger The Cooler January 11, 2019 8:45 AM  

The word vomit the Left now employ goes back to the cryto-Deconstructionism of Nietzsche, arguably before. If one believes that words only refer to other words and all things linguistic are a self-negating circle jerk; well then, one is well within their rights to leverage this against those that know that words are in fact more than self-referential (which anyone who has ever been moved by a metaphor understands).

Never stop at the dictionary; always investigate the etymology.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 11, 2019 8:46 AM  

Take homophobia to start with. Break that word down and see if it makes sense.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2019 8:52 AM  

Some commenters would find Jayman's "American Nations" series very interesting.
https://jaymans.wordpress.com/category/american-nations-2/

IDK if this has made it into this blog's discussion of IQ, but "The Inappropriately Excluded" (I think better titled, The Unfortunately Excluded, because I believe the exclusion of high IQ people is an unsurprising consequence of their own peculiarities) codifies a lot of relevant themes, highlighting just how isolating is having an IQ above 140 (such folks don't even particularly like each other, often finding surprisingly little in common.)
http://polymatharchives.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html

TL;DR version: IQ is the horsepower, other personality traits are the transmission, and a 900 hp turbocharged V-8 is worthless without a matching transmission (drive, ability to tolerate boredom, controlled impulsivity, etc.) In my experience, it's an inability to tolerate boredom (and very smart people often get bored quickly) that limits most high IQ people's lives.

You want highly successful kids? Hope they have IQ's in the 120-130 range...it seems to be the sweet spot.

Blogger Rick January 11, 2019 8:54 AM  

It goes back to The Serpent.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2019 8:55 AM  

Homophobia.
(Laughs out loud.) My preference is to ask homophiles to visualize what homosexual men actually DO. Vis-u-a-lize it, pal.

It doesn't require a Ph.D. in anatomy, physiology or microbiology to know just how phenomenally self-destructive and disgusting is that picture.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 11, 2019 8:56 AM  

I'm using the word as an example

Blogger OGRE January 11, 2019 8:59 AM  

ad hominem, reductionism, debate...too many internet philosopher words used together at once. I'm sure he'll talk about strawmen and scotsmen in his next posting. Its always the ones who spout off lists of informal fallacies that have the weakest background in actual philosophical study.

Blogger Rick January 11, 2019 9:01 AM  

Look up the original definition (origin) of heterosexual.
It wasn’t meant to describe a normal man. It was meant to describe an abnormal man. (a male who just wanted sex with females outside of marriage. Normal being a man who wanted to marry, have a family, children.) there was no need for a term (heterosexual) to describe the normal man. Now we use it to describe the difference from a homosexual. See what they did there? As if homosexual is the “origin” or the norm.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2019 9:01 AM  

Stg58, does it not seem like "libertarianism" largely followed the Reason Magazine model these past 20 years? I subscribed long ago, but watched Reason (and libertarianism as a whole) finally remove some of its cognitive dissonance by openly becoming a high(ish) IQ rationalization for Leftism's Utopian Gnosticism.

Right is aristocracy, political order via merit-based hierarchy. Left is Equalism (which is a revolt against Nature on its face.) The former can be autocratic and totalitarian, or it can be benign. The latter is always pathological, parasitic and utterly evil. There can be no Leftist "order" that doesn't turn into rule by gammas and angry cat-hoarder kooks. There's no king worse than rule by (secret) kings.

Blogger Rick January 11, 2019 9:03 AM  

Similar to the absurdity of saying “different-sex marriage”.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 11, 2019 9:04 AM  

A study of libertarianism from a philosophical and historical perspective would be really useful. To travel the origins of it in political thought, to the founders of the party in 1971, to today.

My view is it's a vacation home for libertine leftists who are too spergy for the Democratic party.

Blogger Jill January 11, 2019 9:05 AM  

I like your use of adverbs. This isn't snarky commentary; you brought up adverbs, and I noted the way you used them differently than chunky dude.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 11, 2019 9:05 AM  

I've been asked several time by the smaller (much smaller) chunk of the party who is more sane than the rest of it to officially join the party. I was a little more well known back then in some circles. I'm now looking back at civic nationalism and the rest and scratching my head at how I ever thought any of that was a good idea.

Blogger Nostromo January 11, 2019 9:13 AM  

Pish, people in Kentucky have a hard time understanding each other. We have 5 general areas in the state, each with their own customs, phrases, pronunciations. Guy I worked with for 2 decades told me he had to get a new "tar" for his truck. "What? What's a tar?" "The things it rides on." "The road?" "No. A tar! Taaaarrrr." Light bulb goes off, "You mean tire?" "Yeah. A tar" (actual conversation)

Blogger John rockwell January 11, 2019 9:13 AM  

Gammas are always so effeminate.

Blogger John rockwell January 11, 2019 9:14 AM  

A Gamma in other words is a soyboy.

Blogger OGRE January 11, 2019 9:15 AM  

@28 Stg58/Animal Mother

I'm in West Virginia, we don't really consider ourselves as having been part of the CSA although much of the state would align culturally with the South. When VA held its convention on seceding from the US the delegates from the western (WV) counties walked out in protest vowing to secede from VA. Before VA ratified its secession from the US, WV delegates had already held their first convention to secede from VA. So while legally WV may have been part of the CSA for about a year, it was in open rebellion the entire time.

We tend to view ourselves as Appalachian first and foremost, having more in common culturally with folks from northern Alabama and western Pennsylvania then eastern Virginia or the Piedmont, Coastal, or Deep South.

Blogger Jill January 11, 2019 9:17 AM  

Speaking of false definitions, I recently had a run-in with conservatives who actually don't know that volunteering=/=that which is forced or expected. Compliancy to false definitions isn't really my thing.

Blogger The Cooler January 11, 2019 9:19 AM  

A tar

You mean tire?

Y'all mean tiuh, yes? I'm so confused.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2019 9:24 AM  

@41 Spergy indeed. Libertarianism is a path. It either leads to the Hard Right (meritocracy across the board, which is the dirty little secret of the Utopian Market-Based Order) or it leads to Leninism. You can't institute the Kingdom of Heaven On Earth (today's libertarian version is the lyrics of John Lennon's song "Imagine") without dumping the "non-aggression principle." Left-libertarianism is just as hilariously mutually-contradictory as is the Libertarian Party, a political party that theoretically eschews politics.

The LP is where you'll predictably find spergy people with 115 IQ's.

Blogger Korppi on oikeus January 11, 2019 9:34 AM  

Vox should give up already. Nothing can beat these guys, they are invincible. Time after time Vox has unsuccesfully challenged these kings to whom we are not yet submitted only because we are unfair. C'mon, let's finally surrender and kneel before the true rulers of the universe. We have been so badly humiliated in front of their dreamgirls that we just can't take another beating.

Blogger FUBARwest January 11, 2019 9:37 AM  

Jokes on you! I was only pretending to be retarded.

Blogger camcleat January 11, 2019 9:40 AM  

@49

"A tar

You mean tire?

Y'all mean tiuh, yes? I'm so confused."

From the play The Foreigner, truer words were never spoken when a good old boy was trying to instruction someone he thought did not understand English about eating utensils. He said, as he held the item up to the man's face:

"Foe-work. Two words."

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 11, 2019 10:19 AM  

Victor Appleton was a gamma?
https://infogalactic.com/info/Tom_Swifty

@21 Good point.

@23 The term "anti-semite" is just a dog whistle for anti-goy hatred.

As far as nations go, I don't think anyone's mentioned "Albion's Seed" yet.

Blogger Cloom January 11, 2019 10:19 AM  

TDS = The Darkstream
TDS = The Daily Shoah

Blogger Dire Badger January 11, 2019 10:43 AM  

camcleat wrote:I can tell you with 100% certainty that people from the Midwest don't understand Appalachian culture at all. Despite sharing a language, being of the same race and having a good bit of shared history, there's a huge chasm between the two, dare I say it, nations.

Born in west Virginia, I have lived in Utah for over 25 years, half my life, and I STILL don't understand them.

Why do they respect Car dealers?
Why can't they make decent chinese food?
Why can't they EVER be on time?
How come they cannot cook? (I finally figured it out... It's the altitude. The altitude ruins the flavor of everything.)

And a million other little things about them in general that I simply don't get.

It's not about intelligence, it's about culture. Unless you and your parents grow up in a culture it is NEVER really going to be 'yours'. I may spend the rest of my life in this state, but I will never be able to be a fully-acculturated Utahn.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 11, 2019 10:51 AM  

"The abyss has become you."

Cue the ominous pipe organ.

Blogger xevious2030 January 11, 2019 10:56 AM  

@2
I find that to be a very interesting question.
Country, geographic territory. State, government. Nation, history, culture, traditions, language, religion, ethnicity.

Nation gets butchered, even by dictionaries these days, from the older meaning, because a nation does not require a particular geography, it’s about the people, scattered or not. Religion got thrown out of the definition somewhere in the timeline, but you sure as hell can bet it is part of nationality, as a Christian and a Satanist are in no ways part of the same nation. And Europe had been united under Christianity under the Roman Empire, though the people of the 20th century lived in different countries, under different states, and spoke different languages. The lines on the map, they are political, and they change.

At face value and name, NAZI appears nationalistic. At the core though, it is based on Thule, based on The Order, based on Theosophy. Theosophy has nothing to do with being German, Christian, European. Madam Blavatsky, might take a read into her junk. Rudolph Steiner and Anthroposophy (Waldorf schools) were a “reformed” variation. In other words, Nazism was created occult within and in practice, not Christian, removing even the religious connection of nationalism beyond the facade. Nazism was the attempt to create a nation, by absorbing another older variation that was ending.

The Nazis generally appealed to the trappings of nationalism, as a draw, but the practice was by comparison, hedonistic combined with Socrates (golden souls, group parenting, etc.) combined with eugenics combined with the occult. And following a vein of genetic programing to unlock the Xevious (borrowing a modern reference).

And this combines with the reference to portions of Hitler’s specific “non-Germanic” ancestry, regardless of where he was born. The non blond/blue leading the “ubermensch,” as living contradiction, and a view into the presented (German) versus intended (Xevious) ubermensch. Nietzsche had to sit with his nose in the corner in this explanation, he wasn’t invited.

Now, that’s my take, not speaking for anyone else.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 11, 2019 10:56 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Are Canadians the same as Americans?

Is this really a fair comparison? After all, we are talking about 2 of the largest nations on Earth compared to 2 fairly small nations. You could fit Austria and Germany twice in a single US state.

Blogger RusticFederalist January 11, 2019 10:57 AM  

Is someone pushing "reductionism", and "reductivist": Levin, Shapiro, Peterson, someone else, or no one?

Blogger Blaidd January 11, 2019 11:07 AM  

@Tars

Size is irrelevant. The point is that despite having a common origin as British colonials, no one would pretend that Canadians and Americans are interchangeable or that trying to make a single nation out of the two would work out well.

Blogger Unknown January 11, 2019 11:15 AM  

I think of the idea in left equalism is family relations where everyone cares for each other. Think of thanksgiving where some people cook, some buy wine and others simply show up, but all family member is invited.

Blogger Wild Man January 11, 2019 11:16 AM  

"Gamma: The introspective, the unusual, the unattractive, and all too often the bitter. Gammas are often intelligent, usually unsuccessful with women, and not uncommonly all but invisible to them, the gamma alternates between placing women on pedestals and hating the entire sex. This mostly depends upon whether an attractive woman happened to notice his existence or not that day. Too introspective for their own good, gammas are the men who obsess over individual women for extended periods of time and supply the ranks of stalkers, psycho-jealous ex-boyfriends, and the authors of excruciatingly romantic rhyming doggerel. In the unlikely event they are at the party, they are probably in the corner muttering darkly about the behavior of everyone else there... sometimes to themselves. Gammas tend to have have a worship/hate relationship with women, the current direction of which is directly tied to their present situation. However, they are sexual rejects, not social rejects. Lifetime voluntary sexual partners = .5x average"

What does the exchange with CM have anything to do with CM's notch-count, one way or the other?

Blogger Dire Badger January 11, 2019 11:22 AM  

xevious2030 wrote:At face value and name, NAZI appears nationalistic. At the core though, it is based on Thule, based on The Order, based on Theosophy. Theosophy has nothing to do with being German, Christian, European. Madam Blavatsky, might take a read into her junk. Rudolph Steiner and Anthroposophy (Waldorf schools) were a “reformed” variation. In other words, Nazism was created occult within and in practice, not Christian, removing even the religious connection of nationalism beyond the facade. Nazism was the attempt to create a nation, by absorbing another older variation that was ending.

Note the similarities to Modern Leftist Politicians? Spirit Painting, glorifying the consumption of youth, Moloch-sacrifice, Natural Parties, pedo events, Epstein Island, Leftist redefinition of "American'?

leftists absolutely believe in Ubermen and Untermen. The Ubermen just happen to belong to certain Families, and the Untermen are everyone else. Of course they love diversity...because all of us untermen are interchangeable. We only exist to provide babies for their sexual and murderous entertainment, and to do the manual labor. White children are nice, but brown children are nearly as good, much cheaper, and the parents don't put up as much of a fuss. Otherwise, there are just too damned many of us fussy animals.

Blogger Dire Badger January 11, 2019 11:27 AM  

Excuse me, elites, not just politicians.Sometimes a 'lowborn' politician manages to creep in there, but no one who's parents weren't trillionaires will ever creep into the family tree.

Blogger CM January 11, 2019 11:27 AM  

It doesn't require a Ph.D. in anatomy, physiology or microbiology to know just how phenomenally self-destructive and disgusting is that picture.

Enough people have been normalized to this "lovemaking" through Cosmo. Want to please your man while on the rag? Sodomy is totes legit to keep your man happy.

Its gross and exploitative. But dare you to go on facebook and claim sodomy is wrong and exploitative regardless of the sex of the "catcher" and you'll be treated to a litany of justifications and name calling from women who let their partners do it to them.

Blogger mushroom January 11, 2019 11:38 AM  

There can be no Leftist "order" that doesn't turn into rule by gammas and angry cat-hoarder kooks. There's no king worse than rule by (secret) kings.

I like it.

Blogger Patrick Kelly January 11, 2019 11:44 AM  

The Libertarians have become the party of the diaper wearing, dope smoking, long haired, pedo hippies.

Blogger ar10308 January 11, 2019 11:58 AM  

@8 "He spoke almost exclusively in parables (I could argue). There is only one time (I could argue) where he did not speak in parable form. It was when he explained a parable (the sower)."

He spoke entirely in parables when talking to Jews. And His parables were meant to disguise their meaning, almost as if He had contempt for the Jews.

When He spoke to non-Jews (Centurian, Woman at the Well), He spoke quite directly, using very few or simple analogies.
It's very interesting when you consider how Jesus knew that the Pharisees and pretty much all the Jewish leadership had it out for Him.

Blogger Silent Draco January 11, 2019 11:58 AM  

Categorization vs quantification makes perfect sense, from the start. Separate observed or deduced items by categories. Never forget how you qualified items to place in categories. Inside the categories, quantify them. What stings is their qualification and placement in the category called "gamma." Qualifying is easy; changing qualities to change categories can be difficult. Inside gamma category, they can be quantified from the ignorant, whiny, angsty teen to Supreme Scalzi, on a logarithmic scale.


@53 camcleat - snicker; liked that play. Don't forget the lady teaching him about the lay-amp. Lay - amp. It makes laht, with a lahtbulb. If you travel to a lot of regions or vacationed in same for a lot of years, learn enough local slang and idiom so you can pass as fairly near by, or been away for a while. Also helps to be polite and smile when required, and keep you your peace the rest of the time.

In empires, only the capital region dialect and behavior are considered right or fashionable; all others are rubes or hicks. Doesn't matter if it's Berlin vs. Munich, or D.C vs. NYC vs. everyone else. If you don't look and sound like ruling class, you're a peasant; it's always peasant season for aristocrats.

Blogger Wild Man January 11, 2019 12:03 PM  

"What stings is their qualification and placement in the category called "gamma."

@70 - What does the exchange with CM have anything to do with CM's notch-count, one way or the other?

Blogger Mad Dad January 11, 2019 12:20 PM  

We shouldn't overthink "categorical thinking", right? Google search results views it unfavorably, implying that Racists and Cis-Genders employ it against Minorities and Non-Binaries.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia January 11, 2019 12:21 PM  

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Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia January 11, 2019 12:27 PM  

VD Wrote

If you are a Gamma, or even have Gamma tendencies, you simply must learn to resist the urge to correct others, particularly those who are more intelligent than you are. Also, try to keep the adverbs to a minimum. Gammas love adverbs, because adverbs qualify verbs, which permits them to put themselves in the position of implicitly pronouncing judgment on the actions of others.

Certain adverbs -- but not all -- are hazardous when you speak or write because they are imprecise “intensifiers.”

If I say, "that argument has been thoroughly refuted" what does "thoroughly" mean? What's the difference between an argument being "refuted" and "thoroughly refusted?" This adverb adds nothing to the content of the discussion. Adverbs like "very" "really" "awfully" are imprecise and should be avoided in discusions where clarity and precision matter.

But some adverbs are useful in that they accurately define specific states -- like "accurately" here, and adverbs such as "solely," or "specifically" or "only."

Understanding the distinction between adverbs that "intensify" and those that "define" is critical when writing and speaking. It's a gamma tell when in an attempt to counter arguments the gamma goes for the intensifiers.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 11, 2019 12:29 PM  

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Blogger VD January 11, 2019 12:32 PM  

What does the exchange with CM have anything to do with CM's notch-count, one way or the other?

You can reasonably estimate the latter from the former. Because behavioral patterns have their consequences.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 11, 2019 12:34 PM  

Blaidd wrote:Size is irrelevant.

Size is irrelevant as a number on a paper, but the huge size of America and Canada combined means these people never come into contact with each other.
I have seen video of a neighborhood in New England, presumably Maine, where one side of a line is Canada and another side of the line is America. This line is right in the middle of a residential neighborhood. The white line is painted down the middle of a tree lined street with residential housing on both sides of the line. Surely these people have more in common with each other than a guy on the American side has with a Texan. There are Americans in Anchorage and Miami. These people could not be more different, yet they are part of the same country, though in some cases, not the same nation.

I've never been to Europe, let alone Germany or Austria, so I don't know how much they are alike.

Blogger Balam January 11, 2019 12:41 PM  

@71 - Wild Man wrote:What does the exchange with CM have anything to do with CM's notch-count, one way or the other?

It is a common behavior for people in that category. For example, the strict definition of a gelded dog is a dog who had his nuts chopped off. While the definition does not include the reduced dominance behaviors, lack of going into heat, pissing on stuff less, those are still behaviors that are generally true of gelded dogs.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 11, 2019 12:56 PM  

To the pattern of gamma speak, it appears gammas start sentences with these words:
soooooooo
Clearly
"As a rule"


That's the way it looks to me, so far. For lack of words, the best guess I can come up with is that gammas try to speak with some kind of "universal authority" that installs, as the pretense, their own point before making it. Is this due to lack of confidence? Or perhaps they expect an argument before they even try to make a point. I don't know.
But there is a pattern starting to develop. The better we can spot them in writing the better we can avoid them.

Blogger Jean Durtal January 11, 2019 1:17 PM  

@79 I think almost all Gamma behavior comes from lack of confidence/fear of some sort. Fear of confrontation, exposure, pain (physical or emotional), humiliation, etc.

Blogger Lovekraft January 11, 2019 1:19 PM  

Trying to debate VD on matters like this is like giving a ferret to a little girl without any safety instruction. He was 'reaching into that cage' with every utterance.

So where are we in the nat/imp debate in terms of repatriation of non-natives and what would be their status should they be permitted to stay? Canada has extremely well-entrenched non-Anglo/French immigrant communities. Nations would allow a certain measure of foreign influence but where is the line?

Blogger chronoblip January 11, 2019 1:27 PM  

Dire Badger wrote:It's not about intelligence, it's about culture. Unless you and your parents grow up in a culture it is NEVER really going to be 'yours'. I may spend the rest of my life in this state, but I will never be able to be a fully-acculturated Utahn.

A group of hunters, an Oregonian, a Texan, and a Californian, have been trying to one-up each other all day.

Sitting around a fire that evening, the Texan tells the other two to "wa'ch this". He pulls out a bottle of whiskey, drinks it all down quickly, throws it up in the air and then shoots it.

Other two tell him he'd wasted his whiskey, but the Texan responds, "it's nuthin', got plenty more of that where I come from."

A bit later, the Californian digs out two bottles of wine, tells the other two to "watch this". He drinks them both down, throws them both up in the air, and shoots them.

Other two tell him he'd wasted his wine, but the Californian responds, "it's nothing, plenty of that where I'm from."

A bit later, the Oregonian pulls out a bottle of Weinhard's root beer, and tells the other two to "watch this". He drinks it down, throws it up in the air, shoots the Californian, and catches the bottle.

The Texan, startled and confused, asks why he'd wasted the Californian.

The Oregonian responds "it's nothing, plenty of him where I came from, and this is worth 5 cents!"

#culturewars

Blogger Wild Man January 11, 2019 2:09 PM  

@76 - VD - maybe you know more about Chunky Monkey than was revealed by the exchange you quoted. I sure don't see how you can make the determination that CM is gamma, based on this one exchange. There are plenty of reasons why people get ticked-off. In fact members of all categories of the socio-sexual hierarchy, inclusive of the alpha type, are prone to getting ticked off for a variety of reasons (however it is true that the frequency of getting ticked-off is reduced as one rises within most hierarchies).

Blogger Don't Call Me Len January 11, 2019 2:13 PM  

"Don't try to control definitions"

Is the poo-flinging Chunky Monkey actually Jordan Peterson in disguise?

Blogger Geoarrge January 11, 2019 2:20 PM  

@21: While quite a bit of it is due to indoctrination, I think there's a connection to amygdala function and the preferred state of situational awareness. Those who cannot handle Condition Yellow need to operate in an environment of certainty to stay in White, and this is what drives the reaction to categorical thinking. Virtually every categorization has exceptions and edge cases that will challenge any heuristic that addresses most of the category most of the time. For Condition Yellow, this is no big deal, being the way of the real world, but it's a major obstacle for staying in White, because that mindset wants to be able to tune out everything that isn't a problem, and "probably not a problem" is not good enough.

Blogger Wild Man January 11, 2019 2:24 PM  

@84 - well Chunky Monkey was sure wrong on that account. Without some consensus around definitions, we are just talking passed each other then. Superior discourse has a whole lot to do with precision around definitions. But nevertheless, I still don't see how CM's error in that regards, should necessarily be taken as evidence for gammahood. It may be, or it may not be - not enough info is provided to make a determination. Also - Jordan Peterson's discourse is mostly about more precision around definitions, not less.

Blogger VD January 11, 2019 2:27 PM  

I sure don't see how you can make the determination that CM is gamma, based on this one exchange.

Because you don't have my years of experience dealing with commenters of various behavioral patterns. I recognize the stink of gamma almost instantly now. I wouldn't say my gamma-dar is as keenly refined as a woman's, but sometimes all I need is a single turn-of-phrase to CORRECTLY identify one.

I still don't see how CM's error in that regards, should necessarily be taken as evidence for gammahood. It may be, or it may not be - not enough info is provided to make a determination.

Now you're just being stupid. Once you see enough deer tracks, you know how to distinguish them from elk, dog, and cow tracks. Go read the post about heuristic vs proof. You almost NEVER need proof to make a correct determination about anything.

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Blogger Wild Man January 11, 2019 2:55 PM  

Yes - I agree that there is nothing wrong with a heuristic approach with respect to making judgments, as long as one is aware of the limitations of that approach (it's akin to intuition).

Now, with respect to the claims of CM's gammahood - VD - I take it that you believe you have enough information as embedded in this one quoted exchange with CM, to make that determination. But how do you know he simply isn't good with 'definition precision' (which isn't necessarily the same as being gamma)? After all - there are alphas around that are not good with definition precision.

Blogger Silly but True January 11, 2019 2:59 PM  

Why even interact with Chunky Monkey? I thought the category of Chunky-Monkey-like people just delete racists like Chunky Monkey?

Blogger VD January 11, 2019 3:01 PM  

it's akin to intuition

Not at all. It is deductive reasoning and it is the application of logic to the available evidence.

But how do you know he simply isn't good with 'definition precision' (which isn't necessarily the same as being gamma)?

Because it wasn't the only indicator, obviously. And because he kept digging himself deeper.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 11, 2019 3:20 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:To the pattern of gamma speak, it appears gammas start sentences with these words:

soooooooo

Clearly

"As a rule"



Not really the sooooo, which is gamma-speak, but the other stuff is probably preempting spergs.

I don't think spergs and gammas are the same thing, though there is overlap.

If you say something that most normal people understand is not 100%, some sperg is always going to come out and autistically point out the cases in which what you said is not true.

Spergery has really increased in the last 10 years. Some are gammas trying to prove just how smart they are, but many don't go on to say other gamma stuff.

Blogger Jill Domschot January 11, 2019 3:34 PM  

Two thumbs up to this joke.

Blogger The Cooler January 11, 2019 3:40 PM  

At what point -- if any -- is analyzing what is and is not Gamma, Gamma?

Bazinga, I don't care.

Blogger xevious2030 January 11, 2019 3:45 PM  

@77
They may or may not have more in common. "Large body of people" is part of the answer.

A nation may contain a smaller combination of a larger set of qualities, and there may be a variety of nations within the same location. And nations tend to deal with larger numbers of people, not smaller. Tends to be a “large” collection of people based on one or more qualities, the qualities being whatever the nation is defined as. Thus, you have the definition first (classification), and the identification (qualification)second. German can be a nation. Christian can be a nation. European can be a nation. Western can be a nation. It depends on the qualities you are defining through the categories of inclusion (self-identification plays a part). Any of those can also be a country, a state, a principality, a kingdom, an empire, a civilization, a culture, an ethnicity (minus Christian), identify traditions, and Christianity can be strictly a religion. When you are identifying a nation, you are classifying a set of attributes, in general, for a selection of people. That’s why the definitions generally include “large populations” with qualities x, y, “OR” z. I forgot common “descent” as a potential qualifier.

Indians (Native Americans) are a nation (or collection of nations, depending on criteria), Jews were considered a nation, even when they did not have the country of Israel to define them territorially or a state of Israel for official self-government, and Americans can be a nation, depending on the defining criteria.

In this, there is a large degree of “attitude” as to what larger portions of a group consider common, and what they consider marks of distinction for overriding exclusion, as they are defined or define themselves, in relation to nationhood.

Rhetorically, a nation is whatever large group will take up arms to kick the tar out of another large group, provoked or not.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira January 11, 2019 4:01 PM  

Last night I asked a pretty gay question on the darkstream, and got spanked for it.

Now I know what it feels like. To be chastised by the SDL, not like a gamma.

A gamma would be crushed, but I thought it was hilarious that somebody rightfully accused me of being a fag.

I don't know what behavioural category that belongs under, but I think I can live with myself if I can laugh at myself.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira January 11, 2019 4:02 PM  

You don't have to point out that I'm talking about myself = gamma. I am painfully aware of that irony.

Blogger Wild Man January 11, 2019 4:04 PM  

@91 - yes - I suppose you could say that 'he dug himself deeper' because it's true he failed to recognize that your correction of his phrase, (for which you more or less suggested that the word 'quantify' be replaced with 'categorize') was warranted. He glossed over his error, probably because he was ticked-off. And note that it isn't only gammas that may well behave this way. Plenty of people get ticked-off and thereby gloss over their own errors. Gammas, as well as alphas, betas etc. etc. are all prone to this, - just as all people are. It is pretty much the human condition I would venture.

But gamma means quite a bit more than that (more than getting ticked-off and thereby glossing over one's own errors). By your own definition, gamma mainly means: 'behaviorally, sexually repulsive to women, by way of a misplaced denial of female nature'. I would need to see some of that in the exchange - evidence of how CM's ticked-off behavior in his exchange with you, crossed the line, thereby displaying a behavior sexually repulsive to women - before I would consider that the particular heuristic you are personally using in this case, holds any water.

Where did he cross the line? What are the other indicators you allude to?

Blogger Franz Lyonheart January 11, 2019 4:12 PM  

studying and talking about SJWs and jordan peterson that the abyss has become you. It happens to the best of us, please do not think that because you are smart you somehow transcend your human tendencies.

HOLY NIETZSCHE!

So.... Deeep!

Blogger Franz Lyonheart January 11, 2019 4:12 PM  

Der Übermensch! Literally!

Blogger braq January 11, 2019 4:34 PM  

Can anyone recommend a reference source to explore this assertion that Nazi Germany was not a nationalist endeavor, but rather an empire-building one?

From my limited knowledge, Hitler and his fellows were focused on the 'Volk', on restoring the vitality and self-determination of a Germanic nation, and on removing or eliminating foreign influences.

Their invasions of surrounding countries were initially to protect Germanic peoples cut off by the Treaty of Versailles, or to defeat/forestall aggressive military foes (eg France and Russia).

I get the argument that "Austria isn't Germany" but find it weak in that ethnic/tribal integration of regionally proximal and ethnically/culturally/linguistically-similar peoples is an ongoing process that led to all modern nations. How many different tribes predate modern Italy, France, or Spain - and does their prior existence render these modern nations "unreal" somehow?

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke January 11, 2019 4:40 PM  

Radioactive.

Blogger D Zniger January 11, 2019 4:43 PM  

@101 / braq
VD made already the effort, just scroll through the comments. The moment your invading other countries and are establishing your rule over them - from this point you are an imperialist.
The "deutsche Volk / Volksdeutsche" served as the prefered class from which the elite has recruited itself.
It´s a question of definition - you are using wrong ones, as I did until Vox and the other guys explained it here.

Blogger SirHamster January 11, 2019 4:46 PM  

@ Wild Man:

You're acting gamma too.

Wild Man wrote:. By your own definition, gamma mainly means:

It's a description. But note how you call it his definition, and then weasel word it to "mainly means".

Trying to say things without saying them is gamma. You're trying to avoid any negative effect from your own words.

This while you're trying to find a contradiction in Vox's words, by saying it's HIS definition.

But there isn't a contradiction because you made a category error between a description and a definition.

I would need to see some of that in the exchange - . . . before I would consider that the particular heuristic you are personally using in this case, holds any water.

No one cares.

"Gamma" is adopted because it usefully describes a category of men and their behavior. Your personal consideration for the label is irrelevant.

Blogger Xiety January 11, 2019 4:52 PM  

Wild Man wrote:Plenty of people get ticked-off
Yes, everyone gets ticked off by something. But what was it that likely ticked off CM?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 11, 2019 4:53 PM  

Wild Man is fake and gay

Blogger braq January 11, 2019 5:03 PM  

@103
Thanks, I did read through the comments and appreciated Vox's efforts; I am looking for book(s) recommendation fleshing out this perspective. I will start with the Hazony book he mentions.

Given the short time scale of the war and the varied triggers for Germany's invasions of its neighbors I don't find simple invasion or even installation of puppet regimes sufficient to support the idea of "empire", since Vox mentions that "the imperialist wants his nation to rule over other nations" is one of the key criteria (with invasion being the other).

I don't believe the Nazis /wanted/ to rule over France; they invaded and set up the Vichy regime after France attacked them. Similarly, in Poland they were trying to recapture the Danzig corridor which contained Germanic people who had been cut off by the borders having been redrawn after WW1.

But maybe it's as you say - it's a matter of how one wants to define "empire". Whatever their initial motives may have been, after they did invade and conquer other nations they were a de facto empire.

Blogger SirHamster January 11, 2019 5:09 PM  

braq wrote:I don't believe the Nazis /wanted/ to rule over France; they invaded and set up the Vichy regime after France attacked them.

Wife with black eye: "he didn't want to hurt me!"

That's nice and all, but the deed was done.

Blogger The Cooler January 11, 2019 5:14 PM  

Socrates deserved his hemlock, Wild Man.

Blogger braq January 11, 2019 5:19 PM  

@108

A bit different if the wife stabbed him first though.

Blogger xevious2030 January 11, 2019 5:51 PM  

@107
That is a really interesting question, and one I do not have time allotted today to address with due diligence.

At face value, he wanted lebensraum, and to liberate neighboring “Aryans” (nation as a race, not just Germans) from “alien” influences. Maybe he was being honest, maybe he was not. Hence the pretext for the invasions.

Hitler’s understanding of Aryans came from his variation of Theosophy, and the underlying theme of Theosophy was the evolution of the peoples (not just physical existence, but of souls and such),with “Aryans” becoming the new single “race” of the world, in a progression (which would go beyond Aryan to a higher “god-form,” if I remember correctly). Which is where the experiments of Joseph Mengele came in, the changing of the existing form of non-Aryans to the “Aryan” form. Changing the eye color, the whatever (his twin studies), to transform the world population from non-Aryan to Aryan. Really weird stuff, and quite apart from the traditional racism of divergence and replacement. With the exception of Jews, which he officially stated as competitors to be likely removed.

His movement was initially imperialist, but the long term goal from his occult influence, was nationalist as an end goal, worldwide. To transform the world to a single nation. This is a mess, but it is a brief, if blotchy, summation.

Blogger D Zniger January 11, 2019 5:54 PM  

@107 braq

Luckily it was at the end a short time, but almost 6 years are not that short. But the invasion of the countries was not the end of the german efforts. They treated the western countries better than the East. For instance in Poland you had the integration of parts into Germany, regions for german colonisation and expulsion of Poles and lastly a small rest Poland for the "UNTERMENSCHEN". They had a whole bureaucracy already in place, and if they would have won WW2, it would have really looked different by now. You write it, as all installation of german rule was just by chance and the necessity of war. Given that what was already in place would be enough to change nations forever, if the Germans would have won, there was a plan and not just chance.

Let´s not look at what they wanted or not wanted, but they ruled over France. They controlled this part of Europe and they behaved like an Empire.

It really comes down to definition. Until today I also have seen only the national side of the Nazis and their goal to get all Germans into their borders, but I had to admit, that they behaved imperialistic. I think it´s a good thing to be able to take away the nationalistic label from them. If Germans could admit that the NAZIS were not nationalistic than it would be easier to get them to love their country and not despise it.

Blogger D Zniger January 11, 2019 6:00 PM  

@111

Your comment reads like some dark Marvel movie with Captain America against the evil. Don´t have the knowledge as you do, so I have no opinion, but it sound really dark.

Blogger Rhys January 11, 2019 6:05 PM  

Why does Vox need meticulously gathered evidence and mathematical proofs for calling someone a gamma? This isn't a sentence. It's just categorizing someone's personality and behavior over the internet. Does it really matter if it's 95% chance of gamma vs. 100%? Of course it doesn't.

Blogger Alphaeus January 11, 2019 6:08 PM  

Vox has said that Gamma's are often very intelligent, that their problem is their pathetic attitude towards life and people. I agree and that's why I believe what Forest Gump's mom said, "Stupid is as stupid does."
Chunky Monkey could be someone who scores very high on standardized IQ tests, but nevertheless even so he is a stupid dumbass. His non-sequiturs are annoying.

Blogger VD January 11, 2019 6:32 PM  

Can anyone recommend a reference source to explore this assertion that Nazi Germany was not a nationalist endeavor, but rather an empire-building one?

Look up the meaning of THE THIRD REICH.

Blogger VD January 11, 2019 6:33 PM  

I would need to see some of that in the exchange - evidence of how CM's ticked-off behavior in his exchange with you, crossed the line, thereby displaying a behavior sexually repulsive to women - before I would consider that the particular heuristic you are personally using in this case, holds any water.

I don't think you understand that I don't give a quantum of a fraction of a damn what you need, want, or think.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 11, 2019 6:35 PM  

@14

"Please dumb it down for me. Could we not say that the Nazis were national imerialists? "

Could we not say that you are an atheist Christian.

Or barring that, that you are an Satanic Christian?

Blogger Mark Stoval January 11, 2019 6:42 PM  

@117

"I don't think you understand that I don't give a quantum of a fraction of a damn what you need, want, or think." -- Vox Day

Now that response was funny. :-)

I was thinking to myself as I read his statement, "who cares" and then I get to Vox's response. That produced a very-big-grin in me. Bravo Vox.

On a side note: I don't think the guy understands what you are saying and why you are saying it at all. Just when right over his head.

Blogger rcocean January 11, 2019 6:53 PM  

"Always the secret King" - VD deserves a Nobel prize just for that line.

Hitler was what was called a "Pan-Germanist" before WW 1. All German speaking people would be united in one big German state. He also had plans to add Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Holland and Bohemia (less any un-assimilated Czechs) to the 3rd Reich.

Blogger rcocean January 11, 2019 6:55 PM  

The idea that Hitler was just a "Nationalist" is hilarious. Ever hear of Lebensraum?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 11, 2019 7:13 PM  

Or the Slav genocide plan...

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 11, 2019 7:44 PM  

Hitler and the Nazis made war on whites while allied with Japs. They planned on ethnically cleansing parts of Eastern Europe of the native whites. They considered Muslims in the Middle East to be their racial brethren and brought complete and utter ruin to the German people.

One of the biggest lies about the Nazis is that they are somehow related to white nationalism or white advocacy. Nothing could be further from the truth. Truth is, it was the Americans that were white nationalists, not the Nazis. American whites were extremely race conscious at the time.

Blogger Wild Man January 11, 2019 7:45 PM  

@119 - Mark Stoval - I think it is hilarious that the phrase 'gamma' is continually so loosely used here, because otherwise VD has provided a very clear definition of gamma that is much more precise, ..... but MS - I suppose your sentiment on that loose (mis)use is - 'who cares anyways' - eh?

So what you doing here then?

@117 - VD - this is not personal. This is about the quality of your product (your writing).

@114 - you said - "Does it really matter if it's 95% chance of gamma vs. 100%?". It matters when it's 50% chance (or less) of gamma vs. 100%. In the quoted exchange, I think it is a good guess that Chunky Monkey was ticked-off about something, allowed that to cloud his judgment over VD's 'categorize vs. quantify' correction, and yet that is not nearly sufficient evidence for gammahood, because the behavior described is almost universal - as it's human nature, .... yet gammahood (as defined) is not an almost universal human condition.

@109 - I too favor Aristotle over Socrates.

@105 - It was likely a perception of disrespect (warranted or not) that ticked off CM. Human nature and all.

@104 - you said - "It's a description. But note how you call it his definition, and then weasel word it to "mainly means". Sir Hamster - I provided VD's definition of gamma @63 above. If you don't like my summary of that definition (gamma = 'behaviorally, sexually repulsive to women, by way of a misplaced denial of female nature') - then please - provide a better summation.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 11, 2019 8:02 PM  

@112 D Zniger
@107 braq

Luckily it was at the end a short time, but almost 6 years are not that short. But the invasion of the countries was not the end of the german efforts. They treated the western countries better than the East. For instance in Poland you had the integration of parts into Germany, regions for german colonisation and expulsion of Poles and lastly a small rest Poland for the "UNTERMENSCHEN". They had a whole bureaucracy already in place, and if they would have won WW2, it would have really looked different by now

Let's not forget that the 1939 borders of Poland were created by the Treaty of Versailles, and incorporated large numbers of Germans.
The population of Danzig was something like 97% German at that time.

The part (more than half) of Poland that was invaded by the USSR at the beginning of WW2 was annexed by the Soviet Union, and is still part of Russia today.

Blogger SirHamster January 11, 2019 8:27 PM  

Wild Man wrote:Sir Hamster - I provided VD's definition of gamma @63 above. If you don't like my summary of that definition (gamma = 'behaviorally, sexually repulsive to women, by way of a misplaced denial of female nature') - then please - provide a better summation.

You said "By your (Vox's) own definition, gamma mainly means".

I'm not taking issue with your summary, I take issue with you treating your own summary as Vox's words.

I don't have an issue with your summary when you label it correctly as your own summary.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 11, 2019 8:39 PM  

This isn't a sentence. It's just categorizing someone's personality and behavior over the internet.

Exactly. Online, you're bumping into an unlimited number of individuals, many of them only once, and you have no investment in almost any of them. Who cares if you occasionally misjudge an anonymous online persona?

On the off chance that you call someone a gamma who isn't, he will probably think, "Huh, I wonder what made him think that," and then get on with his day. Instead, the reaction usually confirms the judgment.

Blogger Wild Man January 11, 2019 8:44 PM  

@126 - thanks for the reply. I certainly never treated my summary of VD's definition of 'gamma', as VD's own words (otherwise - why would I have provided his actual definition @63?).

Blogger Wild Man January 11, 2019 8:58 PM  

@127 - the issue is that this continual hilarious loose misuse of the gamma concept here (the misuse is hilarious because there isn't even any controversy about what 'gamma' is at this blogspot - because VD has already clearly spelled out his definition), is too often misused as an an excuse to disengage. As such it does appear to be often employed as an ad hominem device.

Blogger xevious2030 January 11, 2019 9:06 PM  

@113
It was pretty dark. It was motivated by the occult. Normal people just don't get what that means. And these people believed.

Blogger Scott C January 11, 2019 10:21 PM  

Does it really matter if it's 95% chance of gamma vs. 100%? Of course it doesn't.

Gammas like to employ sorites paradox type objections.

Blogger The Cooler January 11, 2019 11:06 PM  

You are, Wild Man, much like the "Chunky Monkey", a run-of-the-mill midwit. As such, you can't help but punch above your intellectual weight all while being oblivious to how transparent your motives are. They are all telegraphed.

Your entire line of reasoning is predicated on Vox incorrectly applying a heuristic he made up and You Win if he doesn't fix his errors to your satisfaction. But what is worse is your incessant, pseudo-Socratic gadflying: As if the only thing you really want is to save us all from our ignorance for salvation's sake.

You are a dick, a liar and are as mysterious as a tilde is to a logician.

And here's why you are a Gamma: You have been told, by Vox, numerous times on his blog, in no uncertain terms, to fuck off. And you just keep typing.

Blogger Michael January 12, 2019 12:33 AM  

My feeling is that a nation has the feeling of extended family. And is. Japanese concidered themselves little cousins of Chinese. But they're a separate national identity. A different nation.

Blogger D Zniger January 12, 2019 6:40 AM  

@ Francis Parker Yockey

Danzig was an independent state - not part of Germany or Poland. The borders of Poland in 1939 were much more complicated made than with the treaty in Versailles. Let´s not forget the polish-soviet war 1919-21, which maybe saved the West from the communists.

Blogger xevious2030 January 12, 2019 9:00 AM  

@134
From at least 1850 through WW I, Danzig was part of Prussia, Prussia being arguably the heart of Germany.

Blogger Wild Man January 12, 2019 10:54 AM  

@132 - What I am telegraphing is that I'm contemptuous of ad hominem. Reminds me of elementary school. It's 8-year-old level rhetoric, and so when it's coming from grown men who are otherwise discussing worldly issues, ...... is funny as hell. And I agree this ad hominem behavior is femmy-like too.

Blogger Rickaby007 January 12, 2019 10:59 AM  

im finally starting to internalise the concept of gamma in my mind. took a while, guess because i relate the least to them in all ways. good example.

Blogger JamesB.BKK January 12, 2019 1:35 PM  

There was ample warning about what the effects of allowing the Irish to immigrate might be, and just look at what's happened.

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