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Wednesday, January 02, 2019

Rod Dreher discovers his inner nationalist

Learning about the Spanish Civil War seems to have put a modicum of some stiffer substance - one can hardly call it steel - into Rod Dreher's spine as he gradually begins to discover why the Nationalist Right is inevitable.
In 1930, the military dictatorship was overthrown, and municipal elections across the country the next year led to a big win for combined parties of left and right who favored a democratic republic. (N.B., not all leftists and rightists wanted a republic!) After the vote, the king abdicated, and the Republic was declared. Later that spring, leftist mobs burned convents and churches in various cities, while Republican police stood by doing nothing. This sent a deep shock wave through Spanish Catholicism.

The Republic, in typical European fashion, was strongly anticlerical. It quickly passed laws stripping the Catholic Church of property and the right to educate young people. There were other anticlerical measures taken. Anti-Christian laws, and violent mob action, were present at the beginning of the Republic. Prior to watching this documentary, I assumed they happened as part of the civil war itself. Imagine what it was like to see a new constitutional order (the Republic) come into being, and suddenly you can’t give your children a religious education, and your churches and convents are being torched. How confident would you be in the new order?

According to the film, Spain was still in the 19th century, in terms of economics. It was largely agrarian, with a massive peasantry that was underfed, and tended to be religious and traditional. On the other hand, they were dependent on large landowners who favored the semi-feudal conditions. These landowners were extremely conservative. Their interests clashed, obviously, and became violent when the land reform promised by the liberal Republicans did not materialize fast enough for the peasantry. Mind you, the Republic was declared in the middle of the global Great Depression, with all the political and economic turmoil that came with it.

The urban working class was organized along Marxist lines, though the left was badly fractured, and unstable. There were democratic socialists, but also communists who hewed closely to the Stalinist line. Plus, anarchists were a really significant force in Spain, something unique in Europe at the time. They competed politically, and usually aligned with the left in fighting the right. But they refused to compromise their principles by taking formal power, even when the defense of the Republic required it.

Regional autonomy also played a role in defining sides. When the civil war started, Catholics supported the Nationalist side (the Francoists) … but not in the Basque Country, which was religious, but which wanted more self-rule — something the Nationalists despised. Catalonia also wanted more independence, which meant it was firmly Republican. Barcelona, the Catalan capital, was a Republican stronghold for left-wing reasons, to be sure. I bring up the situation with the Basques and the Catalans simply to illustrate the complexity of the conflict.

Anyway, the 1933 elections resulted in a swing back to the right, with a coalition of center-right and far-right parties winning control, and reversing some of the initiatives of the previous government. Socialists, anarchists, and coal miners in the province of Asturias rebelled against the Republic. They murdered priests and government officials; the military, led by Gen. Franco, brutally suppressed the uprising. All of this radicalized the left even more.

By 1935, left-right opinion had become so polarized that there was practically no middle ground left. Both sides came to distrust democracy because it was the means by which their enemies might take power. And, as one Nationalist interviewed in the documentary puts it, people on the left and right just flat out hated each other. The whole country was a powder keg.

By the 1936 campaign, the centrist parties had practically disappeared.
He's really going to harden his position after he reads Anthony Beevor's book on the war. Once you figure out that the other side really, genuinely, and truly wants to exterminate your religion and your race, only the suicidal and the delusional will persist in trying to "come together" and seek to "discuss our differences". You can brag about being anti-racist, apolitical, post-ideological, colorblind, or even apathetic all you like, but once it finally registers that the other side is literally hell-bent on destroying everything and everyone you value, it's no longer possible to continue lying to yourself.

I saw this in a microcosm in my interview with Bleeding Cool editor-in-chief Mark Siefert. He simply could not, and would not, believe what I was telling him about the SJWs in comics. He insisted that there must be a place at the table for everyone, that it didn't have to be war to the knife. I assured him that he was wrong, and that the SJWs could not be reasoned with, and the next day, he discovered the truth when he was ejected from his position by the very SJWs he'd been defending as reasonable the day before.

The cuckspace is shrinking. The middle ground is rapidly vanishing and nothing is going to bring it back. There is nothing to bring it back, because diversity is, quite literally, disintegration. It won't be long before those who believed they were morally superior for denouncing nationalists as fascists and nazis will be crying for those nationalists to save them... if they are not proclaiming themselves to have been nationalists all along.

The real lesson of the Spanish Civil War is this: you will not save your nation without fighting for it.

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120 Comments:

Blogger Stilicho January 02, 2019 12:59 PM  

Amen

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 02, 2019 1:00 PM  

Then we fight

Blogger Skyler the Weird January 02, 2019 1:07 PM  

The Left wasn't only burning down churches,they were murdering priests, nuns, and even schoolboys.

Blogger Latigo3 January 02, 2019 1:17 PM  

This rings more true with each passing day

Anonymous Anonymous January 02, 2019 1:20 PM  

"The cuckspace is shrinking."

And yet Dreher manages to find it and pull it down over his ears like a frightened child.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 02, 2019 1:23 PM  

Dreher retreats into the cuckspace much like his testicles into his torso.

Blogger Noah Nehm January 02, 2019 1:23 PM  

@Skyler: So true.

Kathy Shaidle noted back in 2014 that: ".. while the Spanish Inquisition accounts for 3,000 to 5,000 deaths over 350 years (and Muslims killed that many on 9/11), no one talks about the Spanish “Red Terror” during the Civil War, carried out by leftists, which saw the execution of almost 7,000 clergy and thousands of Catholic laypeople."

To this I would only add that most of the Red Terror deaths occurred in a period of about 8 months.

Blogger CarpeOro January 02, 2019 1:25 PM  

We are entering the days when those of us that walk the way we talk will reach the conclusion that the new way to say "patriot" is "nationalist".

Blogger James Dixon January 02, 2019 1:25 PM  

> ...you will not save your nation without fighting for it.

That's always been the case when you have an opponent who will do anything for power, which has been the case with left for decades now.

And more people are realizing it daily. It's only a question of what will be the trigger at this point.

Blogger Jack Morrow January 02, 2019 1:36 PM  

This reminds me of when the Rodney King riots occurred in Los Angeles in 1992. One white man who was interviewed then said that he had been a hippie in the late '60s, assuming that if a violent revolution occurred, he would be among those trying to overturn the existing social order. He said he was quite surprised to find himself in 1992 on the other side of this kind of battle, prepared to defend himself, his home, and his neighbourhood against a possible violent invasion by blacks.

Blogger Miguel January 02, 2019 1:36 PM  

"if they are not proclaiming themselves to have been nationalists all along."

Or, as to put it in a well known fashion, "hello fellow nationalists".

Blogger Steve January 02, 2019 1:38 PM  

Later that spring, leftist mobs burned convents and churches in various cities, while Republican police stood by doing nothing

This is the PG-13 version of history, the Republicans particularly enjoyed publicly raping and murdering nuns.

Franco did nothing wrong except to be too lenient on the Left.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira January 02, 2019 1:47 PM  

One time I told my Galician neighbour that "Franco was one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century." He shook my hand saying, "Thank you! My father always said, 'We didn't leave Spain because of Franco!'" Too which I replied, "It's because you were too close to the Portuguese, that's why I'm here too." He conceded that it was a happy side-effect.

Blogger James Dixon January 02, 2019 1:51 PM  

OK,Vox, what have you been up to now?

"A hacking collective known as The Dark Overlord announced on New Year’s Eve that it had broken into the computer systems of a law firm and obtained files related to the September 11 attacks" https://www.newswars.com/pay-the-fck-up-hackers-threaten-to-dump-secret-9-11-attack-files-if-bitcoin-ransom-not-met/

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 02, 2019 1:57 PM  

Ah, the Spanish Civil War. It's always reminded me of the Protestant Revolts, which were always ultimately a protestant/secular power grab. And look at Spain now. Just another sacrifice to the oligarchical, idealized Age of Moloch. An age of wonderful Democratic republics.

I do hope Rod Dreher comes around. I doubt he will, though. He has the spirit of a quitter and a sell-out.

Blogger The Cooler January 02, 2019 2:21 PM  

Whenever Rod Dreher writes an article, a pair of hipster glasses gets it's wings.

Blogger Peaceful Poster January 02, 2019 2:22 PM  

The IG page on the Spanish Civil War is great.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia January 02, 2019 2:26 PM  

This line from Dreher's piece gets to the heart of the matter:

The historical example of the Second Spanish Republic shows what contempt for the opposition does to the stability of democracy.

True to a point, Rod old boy, what if the other side IS, in fact, CONTEMPTIBLE? Do you go and beg them to make nicey nice? They are not going to do that.

The good news, perhaps, is that the likes of Alexandria Occasional Cortex and her fellow travelers don't have the will to pick up a rifle and use it, like the crazed Marzist and Anarchist Republicans in 1930 Spain.

Franco, for all his flaws, saved Spain from catastrophe, because he knew that other side WAS contemptible, and had to be stopped.

Blogger Cecil Henry January 02, 2019 2:35 PM  

'Diversity is, quite literally, disintegration.'

Indeed, here is its latest gift to Canada:


Coming soon, believe it or not — Islamic Party of Ontario Stated primary goal: “Establish Islam as the natural religion of Ontario.”


https://twitter.com/FaithGoldy/status/1080222056124477442




Canadians never voted for the displacement or replacement of Canadians of European origin in all of our major cities.



They never voted for the subsidy of cultural fragmentation in the name of 'diversity'.

Blogger The Cooler January 02, 2019 2:39 PM  

Dreher is a 51 year old, putatively right-wing, reasonably well-educated writer who knew fuck all about the Spanish Civil War. Until the past few days... When Conservatives are not neo-Trotskyites, they are historical ignoramuses. No wonder they are unable to process who and what the Alt-Right actually is.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams January 02, 2019 2:42 PM  

@9 James Dixon
"And more people are realizing it daily. It's only a question of what will be the trigger at this point."

One scenario:
1. Government shutdown continues until EBT is cut off.
2. Parasite class burns down their own neighborhoods.
3. It's totes racissss if you don't pay to rebuilt them...again.
4. With no EBT in sight the diversity invades the burbs.
5. It's racissss to defend your property against an invading army, and the National Guard is sent out to quell the productive class.
6. Enough fake American National Guard folks show up to kick things off properly.

Blogger Shimshon January 02, 2019 2:42 PM  

Just like today, unsurprisingly the losertarians of the time (the anarchists) had common cause with the left. And just as absurdly principled.

They are described as fierce fighters, which I don't see describing today's variant.

No question which side the Ben Shapiros, Jordan Petersons, and other made men of today would end up on.

Blogger Arthur Isaac January 02, 2019 2:43 PM  

They didn't kill enough Marranos when they had the chance. The anarchists and leftists had a strong idealogical 5th column in Spain just as they did in Russia.

Blogger Al K. Annossow January 02, 2019 2:43 PM  

He WROTE a long article to convey information he learned from WATCHING a documentary. That seems so backward. When I recently wanted to learn a little about the Spanish civil war, I checked out a short book from the library.

Even if 'Rod Dreher discovers his inner nationalist', he still needs to discover a clue. Later in the article he states: "There’s no question that Trump is an accelerant in the burning down of the Republic, if that, indeed, is what’s happening." To the contrary, Trump is buying time and better delineating the problems. If a civil war does breaks out, it will be civilian generated and better defined rather than the confusing superficial appearance of a military coup. Trump is closer to Cincinnatus than Franco. Post-Trump is the dangerous unknown.

Spain's civil war actually ended with a military coup-like result. But decades later, after Franco, the people decided on a constitutional monarchy rather than what the Left had tried to give them before the civil war.

Blogger VFM #7191 January 02, 2019 2:51 PM  

He's really going to harden his position after he reads Anthony Beevor's book on the war. Once you figure out that the other side really, genuinely, and truly wants to exterminate your religion and your race, only the suicidal and the delusional will persist in trying to "come together" and seek to "discuss our differences". You can brag about being anti-racist, apolitical, post-ideological, colorblind, or even apathetic all you like, but once it finally registers that the other side is literally hell-bent on destroying everything and everyone you value, it's no longer possible to continue lying to yourself.

Ethnomasochism and self-destructive delusion are two things Rod Dreher has in absolute abundance. Not only is lying to yourself all the way to your doom possible, but in Dreher's case it's downright inevitable.

Seriously. Dreher is a lost cause.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 02, 2019 2:53 PM  

I've seen a black-and-white picture of a couple men standing the corpse of a nun up against a wall. The caption says leftists dug them up during the Spanish Civil War, to desecrate them and churches. I'm as ignorant of the war as Rod Dreher is, so I don't know if that really happened there. But it wouldn't surprise me, because that's how much they always hate anything having to do with God.

Most of today's leftists may not have the guts to pick up a gun themselves, but they're *itching* to get in on the defiling and desecrating if they can get someone else to do the shooting for them.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 02, 2019 2:55 PM  

Dreher is a 51 year old, putatively right-wing, reasonably well-educated writer who knew fuck all about the Spanish Civil War. Until the past few days...

Who makes his living by offering his opinion on politics!

Blogger Dangeresque January 02, 2019 3:01 PM  

Compromise with evil = Evil.

That's the most important thing this blog has taught me, and has brought me back to understanding not only the fundamental differences between Christianity and other world religions, but the supremacy of Christianity as a result.

Blogger dienw January 02, 2019 3:02 PM  

@19 Cecil Henry:
Coming soon, believe it or not — Islamic Party of Ontario Stated primary goal: “Establish Islam as the natural religion of Ontario.”

Well, the Muslims have begun turning parts of NYC into Yorkistan.

New York Muslims have a new security patrol group

Blogger Jack Amok January 02, 2019 3:04 PM  

He insisted that there must be a place at the table for everyone, that it didn't have to be war to the knife.

There's only a place at the table for people who are willing to let you have a place at the table too. And that has to be a permanent place, not a temporary one while they consolidate enough power to kick you out down the road.

The Left has never been trustworthy enough for that. They're too power mad and too dependent on parasitism. You see it every damn time a leftist gets in power - they immediately start using government power to grab money and bully their opponents.

Blogger Haxo Angmark January 02, 2019 3:21 PM  

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Blogger DonReynolds January 02, 2019 3:23 PM  

What was not mentioned about the Spanish Civil War was the fact that the (Franco) Nationalists received direct military and material aid from both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. The Republican Communists did not receive anywhere nearly as much help from the Soviet Union, but there was a "social movement" of Leftist Communists from many countries to raise volunteer brigades to go to Spain and fight for the Communist cause. The Americans who went were formed into the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, which was still on the US Attorney Generals List of Subversive Organizations the last time I saw it.

An interesting legacy from the overthrow of the Republican government in Spain was the smuggling of some 8 billion dollars worth of gold to the Soviet Union to keep it from falling into the hands of the Nationalists. Spain continues to press the Russians for the return of their gold reserves, more than eighty years later...without success. This may have played a part in the failure of Spain to join the Axis alliance before WWII, even though the Axis support made the Nationalist victory possible.

Blogger Al K. Annossow January 02, 2019 3:24 PM  

dienw wrote:Well, the Muslims have begun turning parts of NYC into Yorkistan.

Nah. New York will soon move towards being Bezos City within the Amazon Reich. The sharia police will be replaced with RoboCops and even the Muslims will have to go elsewhere. Indian geeks can stay.

Blogger VD January 02, 2019 3:30 PM  

What was not mentioned about the Spanish Civil War was the fact that the (Franco) Nationalists received direct military and material aid from both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Really, DonReynolds? It wasn't mentioned? Rod Dreher just isn't the expert on the Spanish Civil War that you are?

Mussolini was a big supporter, and sent troops and military aid, but was frustrated by Franco’s failure to be affirmatively fascist. Hitler sent lots of military aid, which was critically important to the Nationalist victory, but was angry at Franco for not being willing to be more Nazi-like.

Knock it off with the posing, DonReynolds. You're not some sort of learned teacher. It's obvious that you didn't even READ the piece, and that you just couldn't wait to leap in and strike the pose.

Don't do that.

Blogger Ann January 02, 2019 3:33 PM  

He wouldn't have given two hoots about Spain if he didn't have an upcoming book tour there. We will hear all about it.

Blogger buwaya January 02, 2019 3:35 PM  

"the regime military, now completely converged, will be squarely on the side of the urban Reds"

In Spain the military was mainly on the side of the Republic. Most officers remained loyal, it was only a minority that participated or sympathized with the Nationalists. It has to be recalled that the Spanish military, since the first Carlist War, had mainly been a liberal force. Spanish politics did not and does not map well to US politics.

The "conservative" minority included such elements as the traditionalist and aristocratic cavalry. But above all teh sole factor that saved the revolt was the Army of Africa, a very distinct entity both organizationally and culturally. Without them there would have been no war, or not that war anyway, as there very likely would have been some different war, or wars.

The key figure here, much overlooked, is Millan Astray, the creator of the "novios de la muerte"; Franco and most of that cabal were his proteges.

There is no "Army of Africa" in the US I think. Or perhaps the combat branches and Special Forces count, I don't know.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( me so tarded ) January 02, 2019 3:36 PM  

"These landowners were extremely conservative. Their interests clashed, obviously, and became violent when the land reform promised by the liberal Republicans"

*snicker*

what do you think Dreher is going to do, when he realizes that these characterizations apply just as accurately to the American Civil War?

Blogger Dirk Manly January 02, 2019 3:42 PM  

@21

"5. It's racissss to defend your property against an invading army, and the National Guard is sent out to quell the productive class.
6. Enough fake American National Guard folks show up to kick things off properly."

Won't do any such thing.

The National Guard *IS* of the Productive Class, not the GimmeDat Glass.

Those of the GimmeDat Class who are in the military are in the Reserves, not the National Guard.

National Guard is mostly Combat Arms units, with some Combat support (trucking, intel, medical, etc. units under division command or lower).

Reserve is training cadre, and Service Support units, such as dock operations, laundry, water purification, fuels, theater-level supply, etc.

Blogger Haxo Angmark January 02, 2019 3:47 PM  

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Blogger buwaya January 02, 2019 3:52 PM  

One most interesting incident is the confrontation between the philosopher Miguel Unamuno and Millan Astray in Salamanca, 10/12/1936
It is usually presented as a clash between Unamuno the thoughtful, humanitarian Catholic conservative and the grand old man of Spanish literature, against the barbarians. Unamuno had backed the Nationalist revolt as he was generally sympathetic with their aims. But he recoiled at the reality of the Nationalist cause when he came face to face with them, especially that son of Mars, Millan Astray. This struck me with its similarities to when Dreher and co., the conservative nomenklatura, were confronted with Trump.

It is fine to assert a political-cultural position, but it is something else to fight for it, with all the ugliness that war requires.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams January 02, 2019 3:55 PM  

@38

Never have I been so happy to see the error of my assumptions.

Blogger buwaya January 02, 2019 3:56 PM  

"false. Almost all the large urban garrisons supported the Nationalist Uprising. "

Most officers and the vast majority of the conscript soldiers did not participate. Something like 60% of the pre-war officers ultimately declared for the Republic, as did a large majority of the technical specialists. The uprising failed because most of the soldiers simply did not show up. The Spanish would have said that in most places the rebels amounted to "cuatro gatos" - four cats.

Blogger Dave W. January 02, 2019 3:57 PM  

Has Siefert learned anything from his BleedingCool backstabbing, or is he still cucking around?

Blogger Pavlosky Ufanov January 02, 2019 4:02 PM  

Pay attention to the betrayal and later alliances of the Basque and Catalonians with Franco, it is most entertaining.

Blogger Gen. Kong January 02, 2019 4:09 PM  

James Dixon wrote:

> ...you will not save your nation without fighting for it.

That's always been the case when you have an opponent who will do anything for power, which has been the case with left for decades now.

And more people are realizing it daily. It's only a question of what will be the trigger at this point.


That's the question which seems to be awaiting an answer. What's it going to take? Many still seem to think they're going to either be able to vote themselves out of this, or that the left is somehow not hellbent on mass murder so will be willing to come to some negotiation. The evidence at hand, both historical and contemporary, points otherwise - to either war or extermination.

Not even the Afrikaners seem to be able to come to grips with this, and the ultimate intentions of the ANC and their globalist backers have been quote obvious for well over a decade now. Think the pedos who run the show are somehow going to spare your kids or grandkids?? Look at Rotherham - which is only one example of several now exposed. More importantly, look at the total non-response to the outrages of Rotherham, etc.

The police and the military have so far clearly sided with their globalist paymasters, a few French police refusing to attack the gilets jaunes notwithstanding. We'll have a better picture if the economic house of cards blows over and the debt-rackets all implode. When the time to strike the enemy is at hand, give them no mercy or quarter whatever, for you can be certain none will be given by them.

Blogger Gen. Kong January 02, 2019 4:22 PM  

Al K. Annossow wrote:

He WROTE a long article to convey information he learned from WATCHING a documentary. That seems so backward. When I recently wanted to learn a little about the Spanish civil war, I checked out a short book from the library.

Even if 'Rod Dreher discovers his inner nationalist', he still needs to discover a clue. Later in the article he states: "There’s no question that Trump is an accelerant in the burning down of the Republic, if that, indeed, is what’s happening." To the contrary, Trump is buying time and better delineating the problems. If a civil war does breaks out, it will be civilian generated and better defined rather than the confusing superficial appearance of a military coup. Trump is closer to Cincinnatus than Franco. Post-Trump is the dangerous unknown.

Spain's civil war actually ended with a military coup-like result. But decades later, after Franco, the people decided on a constitutional monarchy rather than what the Left had tried to give them before the civil war.


Yes I caught that oddity in Crunchy-Cuck's column too. The republic he refers to is long dead and gone, like its constitution - which now means only what a blackrobe says it means on any given day. Not sure if Trump fully comprehends this ugly reality or not but there's ample evidence he sees it better than Dreher does in any case. Trump as Cincinnatus is actually a pretty good analogy. If they manage to get rid of him, the war will come sooner than later. At the end of the day, the notion that Trump was ever going to do more than buy us some needed time was magical thinking. We owe him thanks for the time he's bought in any case.

Blogger Other Josh January 02, 2019 4:40 PM  

I'm confused. This blog has routinely blasted Abraham Lincoln thru the years... but it holds a supportive position towards Franco.

Has your view towards Lincoln softened?

Blogger Jew613 January 02, 2019 4:43 PM  

Vox, any books you would recommend on the Spanish Civil war?

Blogger Trinian January 02, 2019 4:44 PM  

Surprisingly, I recently encountered a defense of nationalism in the journal, First Things. The article, Conservative Democracy, was by an Israeli, Yoram Hazony. He is the author of a book expanding the thesis of his article, The Virtue of Nationalism. Among the five principles of a ‘conservative democracy’ he lists ‘Nationalism’ and ‘Religion’ as second and third respectively. He adds several characteristics of a ‘conservative democracy’ including ‘Public Religion’ and ‘Immigration’. For immigration he writes:

“Liberals believe that, since liberal principles are accessible to all, there is nothing to be feared in large-scale immigration from countries with national and religious traditions very different from our own. Conservatives see successful large-scale immigration as possible only where the immigrants are strongly motivated to integrate, and assisted in assimilating the national traditions of their new home country. In the absence of these conditions, the result will be chronic intercultural tension and violence.”

I found it strange that such an article would be published by First Things.

Blogger FUBARwest January 02, 2019 4:53 PM  

"I'm confused. This blog has routinely blasted Abraham Lincoln thru the years... but it holds a supportive position towards Franco.

Has your view towards Lincoln softened?"

I haven't seen the arguments against Licoln on this blog but the main difference would be Franco responded to events while Lincoln was the catalist.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 02, 2019 4:53 PM  

I'm confused. This blog has routinely blasted Abraham Lincoln thru the years... but it holds a supportive position towards Franco.

Seriously confused. Lincoln destroyed the Union and the Republic. Lincoln established an empire which is destroying the American nations. Franco destroyed the Left and restored some of the Spanish Nation's past society.

Blogger James Dixon January 02, 2019 5:01 PM  

> When the time to strike the enemy is at hand, give them no mercy or quarter whatever, for you can be certain none will be given by them.

Oh, we learned that a good 150 years ago.

Blogger ZhukovG January 02, 2019 5:03 PM  

@Other Josh: American Leftists who went to Spain to fight against the Nationalists were organized into a unit called the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'.

You should be able to draw your own conclusions from that.

Blogger Jack Amok January 02, 2019 5:05 PM  

What on earth do Lincoln and Franco have in common?

Blogger Trinian January 02, 2019 5:10 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Lincoln established an empire which is destroying the American nations.

What???

One of the most ‘Imperial’ actions the U. S. ever took was the 1848 invasion of Mexico. A border dispute with Mexico over the border of Texas blew up into a war. The U. S. invaded Mexico, captured its capital Mexico City, and dictated terms to the Mexican Government. The terms included the U. S. annexing Mexico’s northern territories for a token payment. Thus, the U. S. gained the future states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, and Colorado.

It is hard to be more imperial than that!

Blogger megabar January 02, 2019 5:11 PM  

We can reasonably state that:
(a) The better-off a person is, the less willing they are, on average, to speak out or otherwise resist.
(b) A growing fraction of the US is deeply unsatisfied with how their country is changing.

The reason I believe that the US will morph into a Brazil-like state is because I think that (a) will win out over (b). That is, I think the US will retain enough wealth and security during its decline.

But I would not be shocked to find that I'm wrong.

Blogger Mark Stoval January 02, 2019 5:12 PM  

"The real lesson of the Spanish Civil War is this: you will not save your nation without fighting for it." -- Vox Day

Totally agree. "You can't vote your way out of the trouble you voted yourself into."

Democracy has killed Western Civilization. A great war is coming. God willing, we will win this one.

Blogger JohnG January 02, 2019 5:19 PM  

@26 "Most of today's leftists may not have the guts to pick up a gun themselves..."

No, they're desperately wishing for the politicians to unleash the police and military on the right. Curious to see how that would turn out though, when Connecticut did their AR registry, 80% of the owners refused to comply. 90% noncompliance with the NY SAFE act. There were some politicians squealing for LE to enforce their law, but LE said "no thanks". Apparently New Jersey's hi-cap magazine ban went into effect a few days ago and not a single person has turned one in. However, I could see with a Democrat congress and someone unhinged like Kamala Harris or Eric Swalwell as POTUS them doing something irrevocable.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 02, 2019 5:24 PM  

Here's to hope that Trump finally figures out that he's trying to make deals with people that do not want any kind of deal or operating under any kind of reason. Period.

Blogger buwaya January 02, 2019 5:49 PM  

Beevor's "Battle for Spain" is an excellent place to start.
He gets the spirit of the thing, and of Spain, right off.
It is a rather "popular" work, as most of his things are.
But its just right as a starting point. There is also free audiobook on Youtube.

Hugh Thomas "Spanish Civil War" has long been the standard history, even in Spanish translation. It is far more detailed. But Thomas does not get the flavor of the time and place as he has with his "Cuba".

I would like to recommend Arturo Perez-Reverte's "la Guerra Civil contada a los Jovenes" as a starting point, but it is in Spanish only. Perez-Reverte is of course the author of the "Alatriste" series and much else, most of it unstranslated. Its a sad fact that a great deal of Spanish lit is not available in English.

Perez-Reverte himself recommends the following, and he is quite an authority on the historiography of the SCW -

"Historía mínima de la Guerra civil" de Enrique Moradiellos, "¿Cómo pudo ocurrir?", de Julián Marías, y el prólogo de "A sangre y fuego" de Chaves Nogales

But YMMV. If you can read Spanish well you are in luck. There is a whole other world over there.

Blogger papabear January 02, 2019 6:05 PM  

I thought this follow-up post with an excerpt from Leon Podle's book was interesting though I have doubts about his thesis.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/lee-podles-roots-of-spanish-anticlericalism/

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 02, 2019 6:11 PM  

Dreher is starting to fathom the stakes, judging by his comments on the Kavanaugh Affair. But Trump remains the proverbial shard stuck in the cuckservative mind. Expect this shard to remain firmly wedged even as Leftist resistance becomes more brazen.

But over time, what's really going to jab Dreher's brain is the simple matter of scale: the Spanish Civil War played out in a country that had less than one-tenth of the current U.S. population and about 5 percent of the U.S. landmass.


Blogger cmbaileytstc January 02, 2019 6:20 PM  

OT: Vox called it, the Molyneaux knows.
https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1080600816455540737

Blogger Hammerli280 January 02, 2019 6:23 PM  

Why, we ARE going to come together and discuss our differences.

Of course, the discussion will be conducted with deadly force. :-)

Blogger Dirk Manly January 02, 2019 6:40 PM  

@26

"Most of today's leftists may not have the guts to pick up a gun themselves, but they're *itching* to get in on the defiling and desecrating if they can get someone else to do the shooting for them."

What do you think a church with a female, black-lipstick wearing witch as the pastor, flying the GBLTOMGWTFBBQ rainbow flag is?

Blogger Dirk Manly January 02, 2019 6:42 PM  

@32

"The Americans who went were formed into the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, which was still on the US Attorney Generals List of Subversive Organizations the last time I saw it."

Not Americans.

(((Americans))).

Big Difference.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 02, 2019 6:45 PM  

@32

"An interesting legacy from the overthrow of the Republican government in Spain was the smuggling of some 8 billion dollars worth of gold to the Soviet Union to keep it from falling into the hands of the Nationalists. Spain continues to press the Russians for the return of their gold reserves, more than eighty years later...without success. This may have played a part in the failure of Spain to join the Axis alliance before WWII, even though the Axis support made the Nationalist victory possible."

Ah. THIS explains the presence of the Spanish "Blue" Divison on the Eastern Front.

By contributing a division of men to the fight, if Germany won, that would have entitled Spain to demand the return of their gold.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 02, 2019 7:08 PM  

@53 "@Other Josh: American Leftists who went to Spain to fight against the Nationalists were organized into a unit called the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'.

You should be able to draw your own conclusions from that."


Wasn't Ernest Hemingway involved in that one?

Blogger bob kuk mando ( me so tarded ) January 02, 2019 7:22 PM  

47. Other Josh January 02, 2019 4:40 PM
Has your view towards Lincoln softened?



Franco destroyed the Republicans.

Lincoln was a Republican.

next question.

Blogger Al Du Clur January 02, 2019 7:47 PM  

" It won't be long before those who believed they were morally superior for denouncing nationalists as fascists and nazis will be crying for those nationalists to save them... if they are not proclaiming themselves to have been nationalists all along."

Maybe. Maybe not. It depends on how predictive California is of the brown US. I am a native Californian and university educated whites fully support the brown state. If they move it is because of cost of living not anti white sentiments. After they move they try to turn their new state into another California.

It all will depend on whether the economy completely does a Venezuela and whether the Jews stay anti white which they probably will. Status cannot be gained in the greater culture if you are a bad white. Only a good white can have status. University educated whites will sacrifice almost anything to keep their status and that includes supporting the destruction of their descendants.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 02, 2019 7:48 PM  

@69, different Republicans, but yes.

Blogger Crew January 02, 2019 8:08 PM  

Vox, any books you would recommend on the Spanish Civil war?

He already did: Anthony Beevor: The Battle for Spain: The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939

you can get it on Amazon or at any good library!

Blogger pyrrhus January 02, 2019 8:08 PM  

"Wasn't Ernest Hemingway involved in that one?"

Hemingway covered the war as a reporter for a while..He supported the Republicans, but was not a combatant, though rumors that he fought helped his popularity.
"

Blogger Colonel Blimp January 02, 2019 8:08 PM  

Not doxxing myself but my sons name is franco for a reason

Blogger rumpole5 January 02, 2019 8:09 PM  

After listening to the Kavanaugh hearings I now think that all Democrats are scum. They are basically like mad dogs. A danger to every good and pure thing. Every one of them. I doubt that any development in the coming year is going to change my mind.

Blogger English Tom January 02, 2019 8:15 PM  

@Al K Anossow

There is a really good 6 part documentary about the Spanish Civil War, made by a British TV company in 1980's. The social polarisation they talk about is clearly evident in today's America. The documentary series is on YouTube.
There's also a really good book by Paul Preston.
Once the economic slump really starts to bite, I can foresee things getting hot in US.

Blogger Matamoros January 02, 2019 8:16 PM  

Dreher doesn’t go much into German and Italian involvement in the Nationalist campaign other than mentioning it. Yet, at least the German, was decisive.

Hitler, as a staunch anti-Bolshevik, turned the tide for the Nationalists. Franco was marginalized in North Africa and no way to get back to Spain. Hitler in Operation Magic Fire airlifted Franco’s troops and equipment to Spain where he, with German help (Condor legion) became the dominant force against the Bolsheviks.

Russia had sent Commissars and military aid to run the Left and turn Spain into a Communist State.

Spain bore the brunt on the first Communist, or Bolshevik, invasion. It was to serve as the beach head for the subjection of all Western Europe. Spain in particular was chosen because if had overthrown the Jewish program there centuries before and served as the Champion of the Catholic Church and Christ the King. Ventura, the Spanish Bolshevik, stated at the 7th World Congress of the Comintern in 1925: “We shall introduce the most severe terror.”

Before the war there were 71,353 churches, chapels and monasteries in Spain. Some 20,000 Churches and Monasteries were plundered by the Jews and Communists by 1937; according to Bolshevik statistics approximately 17,000 Priests and Bishops were murdered.. This accounts for 40 percent of the Priests in all the dioceses in Spain.

Joseph Goebbels in his speech “The Truth About Spain”, calling the dreadful holocaust of the Spanish people a “Way of Calvary”, answered the question, of how it could be:

“The average man in the street today asks with surprise: How is it that so devastating a system, which is a torture and a martyrdom for humanity, can possibly last for twenty-four hours, without being swept away in a torrent of rage and indignation by the afflicted people? * Whoever thinks or speaks thus only show that he has not the faintest idea of the inner nature and the modus operandi of Bolshevism. Terrorization of the individual and the masses is the instrument which the Bolsheviks use to maintain themselves in power. Those methods of terrorization are employed on such a gigantic scale that the very first instincts of reaction against it is strangled the moment they show the first signs of life. With impudent effrontery, this method is disavowed before the world at large; but in practice it is put into ruthless execution. Bolshevism and its ‘friendly press’ throughout the world lose no opportunity of pointing an accusing finger at the alleged use of terror in countries which are governed according to the principles of authority. The whole world gives out a cry of agonizing sympathy when, for example, a Jew in Germany receives a well-earned box on the ears. But what is this when compared with the terror that disrupts whole nations, torturing and exterminating them.”

The German Bishops’ joint pastoral letter, dated December 24, 1936, was read from the pulpits on the first Sunday of the new year, January 3, 1937. A fateful hour has arrived, the bishops warned:

“The Fuehrer and Chancellor of the Reich, Adolf Hitler, has sighted the advance of Bolshevism from afar and his thoughts and aspirations aim at averting the horrible danger from our German people and the entire Occident. The German bishops consider it their duty to support the head of the German Reich by all those means which the Church has at its disposal. Cooperation in repelling this threat is a religious task.” (Levy, Catholic Church and the Nazis,, p. 209)

In his victory speech of May 19, 1939 Franco stated: “Let us be under no illusion. The Jewish spirit which was responsible for the alliance of large-scale capital with Marxism and was the driving force behind so many anti-Spanish revolutionary agreements, will not be got rid of in a day.”

So another lesson from the Spanish Civil War is have some powerful friends abroad who will help you save your country.

Unfortunately for the U.S. there do not appear to be any. Therefore, "God helps those who help themselves."

Blogger English Tom January 02, 2019 8:18 PM  

@Don Reynolds

Another interesting thing that often gets left out is the role of the intelligence services of various countries, playing their incessant game of thrones in the shadows.

Blogger English Tom January 02, 2019 8:21 PM  

@buwaya

Yes, the army of Africa. The leftists were terrified of them. And with good reason!

Blogger Jack Amok January 02, 2019 8:34 PM  

That Lee Podles excerpt is very interesting. Reading Podles provokes some interesting comparisons to our world today. Women in charge of the family churching? Clerics who are seen overwhelmingly by the men of society as being opposed to masculinity? Accusations of pederasty, homosexuality, and interference with marriage? The church as a feminizing institution?

Describes the typical churchian institution in 21st Century America pretty well.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) January 02, 2019 9:04 PM  

He's really going to harden his position after he reads Anthony Beevor's book on the war.

Vox is wicked smot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIdsjNGCGz4

Blogger Kevin January 02, 2019 9:07 PM  

The first sentence is euphemistic.
"The Republic, in typical European fashion, was strongly anticlerical."

European anti-clericalism is the ideology of Freemasonry and republic is their preferred form of government that implements it. A republic, in my opinion, is a man-centered form of government that exalts and eventually deifys itself. It does this by amplifying the false dichotomy between reason and faith.

I see Marxism and Freemasonry as one in the same. When I read about the marxist infiltration of Spanish society, I'm reminded of what is written in the Alta Vendita.

"Our ultimate aim is that of Voltaire and of the French Revolution - the final destruction of Catholicism, and even of the Christian idea."

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot January 02, 2019 10:03 PM  

Oldie but timely, given the circumstances. Substitute ANTIFA for the Nazi's and Japs and you'll be on target....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tj2eE65yS4

Blogger flyingtiger January 02, 2019 10:20 PM  

People forget how underpopulated and how small the Spainish army was. The Anglo-American invasion of North Africa in 1942 was larger than the Spanish army. Franco knew that the Anglo allies had a better trained, better led, and more firepower than him.
The Spanish sent the Blue division to fight against the Russians in the first winter. They made have played a decisive role on the Leningrad front. After the North African invasion, they were withdrawn.
The Spanish Civil war did not end neatly. There were uprisings and combat all through the 40s. Spain repel an invasion of French communists in 1944.
Diplomatic moves by the USA also kept Spain out of the war.

Blogger Voracious Reader January 02, 2019 10:33 PM  

@12 - "Franco did nothing wrong except to be too lenient on the Left."

He just had too much material to work with. But he tried his best.

110,000 bodies strewn about the country 80 years ago are still being found, as this 30 Aug 17 Reuters article discusses the latest mass grave of 2,000 found just 16 months ago:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-graves/spanish-archaeologists-dig-up-more-civil-war-dead-from-mass-graves-idUSKCN1BA19X

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@18 - The reason the Spanish Marxists and their International Brigades had fighters who knew something about combat was the cadre's extensive service during the First World War in various nations and areas. You think OC and the rest of the SJW soy-boys know anything about military arts or actual combat? We on the Right win that knowledge test hands down.

A flawed Franco saved Spain from suffering the fate of the Soviet Union. He should be honored for that fact alone.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 02, 2019 10:34 PM  

@45

"When the time to strike the enemy is at hand, give them no mercy or quarter whatever, for you can be certain none will be given by them."

Which means when you kill them, take EVERYTHING of value that you can..... including their clothes and shoes if you have the time.

Let them be buried in mass graves marked "unknown".

Or woodchippered into a pond or swamp. Fish, crayfish, weasels and raccoons need to eat, too.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( me so tarded ) January 02, 2019 11:05 PM  

71. Ominous Cowherd January 02, 2019 7:48 PM
different Republicans, but yes.


the American "Republicans" of 1850 were the Radical, Progressive and LEFTIST party of their time and place. they gave us Women's suffrage, universal suffrage, Negro citizenship and Prohibition.

the Spanish "Republicans" of 1930 were the Radical, Progressive and LEFTIST party of their time and place.

the analogy holds up just fine.


55. Trinian January 02, 2019 5:10 PM
One of the most ‘Imperial’ actions the U. S. ever took was the 1848 invasion of Mexico.


adding territories to the Nation can be, but is not necessarily "imperial".

the Romans owned almost the entirety of the Med before their Republic failed.

Blogger Voracious Reader January 02, 2019 11:17 PM  

@77 - Oh, dear sir, you are quite wrong in your conclusion:

"So another lesson from the Spanish Civil War is have some powerful friends abroad who will help you save your country. Unfortunately for the U.S. there do not appear to be any."

When things start to get sporty in the US, we will find container-loads of military weapons, ammunition, anti-tank, anti-aircraft, comms equipment, night-vision, etc. munitions being clandestinely smuggled to us. And curiously, all of these supplies will seem to be recent Russian Army issue, too.

When our nation decides to rid itself of the Marxists, we will find a friend in Moscow. We may not want that friend, but that friend will be extremely generous when it is needed.

However, that Russian friend is not being generous to help America. They are doing it to weaken it, but they want to pick a side they nominally agree with, and who will be indebted to their support once they are victorious, much like our Founding Fathers were to the French.

Bone up not only on Kalashnikov field-stripping procedures, but figure out what the arming procedures are on a Igla or Verba MANPADs. The rest of the training can be supplied via YouTube, most likely. If it's still around...

Blogger Dirk Manly January 02, 2019 11:28 PM  

@53

Only somewhat more than half of the (((Americans))) were in the Abraham Lincoln brigade... the lesser portion were in the George Washington Brigade.

The vast majority of the non-Spaniards were in the various (((International))) Brigades. Most of them were named after well-known historical figures from whatever country the group came from -- if only to fool the goys into thinking these were patriotic organizations, and foolishly signing up to fight for (((International))) Communism.

Lincoln's name was chosen because his name was SOOO highly esteemed outside of the U.S.

Ponder this account from Leo Tolstoy, as related to a Count S. Stakelberg, and published in 1909:

Visiting Leo Tolstoi in Yasnaya with the intention of getting him to write an article on Lincoln, I unfortunately found him not well enough to yield to my request. However, he was willing to give me his opinion of the great American statesman, and this is what he told me:

“Of all the great national heroes and statesmen of history Lincoln is the only real giant. Alexander, Frederick the Great, Caesar, Napoleon, Gladstone and even Washington stand in greatness of character, in depth of feeling and in a certain moral power far behind Lincoln. Lincoln was a man of whom a nation has a right to be proud; he was a Christ in miniature, a saint of humanity, whose name will live thousands of years in the legends of future generations. We are still too near to his greatness, and so can hardly appreciate his divine power; but after a few centuries more our posterity will find him considerably bigger than we do. His genius is still too strong and too powerful for the common understanding, just as the sun is too hot when its light beams directly on us.

“If one would know the greatness of Lincoln one should lis- ten to the stories which are told about him in other parts of the world. I have been in wild places, where one hears the name of America uttered with such mystery as if it were some heaven or hell. I have heard various tribes of barbarians discussing the New World, but I heard this only in connection with the name of Lincoln. Lincoln as the wonderful hero of America is known by the most primitive nations of Asia. This may be illustrated through the following incident:

“Once while travelling in the Caucasus I happened to be the guest of a Caucasian chief of the Circassians, who, living far away from civilized life in the mountains, had but a fragmentary and childish comprehension of the world and its history. The fingers of civilization had never reached him nor his tribe, and all life beyond his native valleys was a dark mystery. Being a Mussulman he was naturally opposed to all ideas of progress and education.

“I was received with the usual Oriental hospitality and after our meal was asked by my host to tell him something of my life. Yielding to his request I began to tell him of my profession, of the development of our industries and inventions and of the schools. He listened to everything with indifference, but when I began to tell about the great statesmen and the great generals of the world he seemed at once to become very much interested.

“‘Wait a moment,’ he interrupted, after I had talked a few minutes. ‘I want all my neighbors and my sons to listen to you. I will call them immediately.’

(continued)

Blogger Dirk Manly January 02, 2019 11:31 PM  

(continued)


“He soon returned with a score of wild looking riders and asked me politely to continue. It was indeed a solemn moment when those sons of the wilderness sat around me on the floor and gazed at me as if hungering for knowledge. I spoke at first of our Czars and of their victories; then I spoke of the foreign rulers and of some of the greatest military leaders. My talk seemed to impress them deeply. The story of Napoleon was so interesting to them that I had to tell them every detail, as, for instance, how his hands looked, how tall he was, who made his guns and pistols and the color of his horse. It was very difficult to satisfy them and to meet their point of view, but I did my best. When I declared that I had finished my talk, my host, a gray- bearded, tall rider, rose, lifted his hand and said very gravely:

“‘But you have not told us a syllable about the greatest general and greatest ruler of the world. We want to know some- thing about him. He was a hero. He spoke with a voice of thunder; he laughed like the sunrise and his deeds were strong as the rock and as sweet as the fragrance of roses. The angels appeared to his mother and predicted that the son whom she would conceive would become the greatest the stars had ever seen. He was so great that he even forgave the crimes of his greatest enemies and shook brotherly hands with those who had plotted against his life. His name was Lincoln and the country in which he lived is called America, which is so far away that if a youth should journey to reach it he would be an old man when he arrived.Tell us of that man.’

“‘Tell us, please, and we will present you with the best horse of our stock,’ shouted the others.

“I looked at them and saw their faces all aglow, while their eyes were burning. I saw that those rude barbarians were really interested in a man whose name and deeds had already become a legend. I told them of Lincoln and his wisdom, of his home life and youth. They asked me ten questions to one which I was able to answer. They wanted to know all about his habits, his influence upon the people and his physical strength. But they were very astonished to hear that Lincoln made a sorry figure on a horse and that he lived such a simple life.

“‘Tell us why he was killed,’ one of them said.

“I had to tell everything. After all my knowledge of Lincoln was exhausted they seemed to be satisfied. I can hardly forget the great enthusiasm which they expressed in their wild thanks and desire to get a picture of the great American hero. I said that I probably could secure one from my friend in the nearest town, and this seemed to give them great pleasure.

“The next morning when I left the chief a wonderful Arabian horse was brought me as a present for my marvellous story, and our farewell was very impressive.

“One of the riders agreed to accompany me to the town and get the promised picture, which I was now bound to secure at any price. I was successful in getting a large photograph from my friend, and I handed it to the man with my greetings to his associates. It was interesting to witness the gravity of his face and the trembling of his hands when he received my present. He gazed for several minutes silently, like one in a reverent prayer; his eyes filled with tears. He was deeply touched and I asked him why he became so sad. After pondering my question for a few moments he replied:

“‘I am sad because I feel sorry that he had to die by the hand of a villain. Don’t you find, judging from his picture, that his eyes are full of tears and that his lips are sad with a secret sorrow?’

“Like all Orientals, he spoke in a poetical way and left me with many deep bows.

“This little incident proves how largely the name of Lincoln is worshipped throughout the world and how legendary his personality has become.

(Continued 2)

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“Now, why was Lincoln so great that he overshadows all other national heroes? He really was not a great general like Napoleon or Washington; he was not such a skilful statesman as Gladstone or Frederick the Great; but his supremacy expresses itself altogether in his peculiar moral power and in the greatness of his character. He had come through many hardships and much experience to the realization that the greatest human achievement is love. He was what Beethoven was in music, Dante in poetry, Raphael in painting, and Christ in the philosophy of life. He aspired to be divine—and he was.

“It is natural that before he reached his goal he had to walk the highway of mistakes. But we find him, nevertheless, in every tendency true to one main motive, and that was to benefit man- kind. He was one who wanted to be great through his smallness. If he had failed to become President he would be, no doubt, just as great as he is now, but only God could appreciate it. The judgment of the world is usually wrong in the beginning, and it takes centuries to correct it. But in the case of Lincoln the world was right from the start. Sooner or later Lincoln would have been seen to be a great man, even though he had never been an American President. But it would have taken a great generation to place him where he belongs.

“Lincoln died prematurely by the hand of the assassin, and naturally we condemn the criminal from our viewpoint of justice. But the question is, was his death not predestined by a divine wisdom, and was it not better for the nation and for his greatness that he died just in that way and at that particular moment? We know so little about that divine law which we call fate that no one can answer. Christ had a presentiment of His death, and there are indications that also Lincoln had strange dreams and presentiments of something tragic. If that was really the fact, can we conceive that human will could have prevented the outcome of the universal or divine will? I doubt it. I doubt also that Lincoln could have done more to prove his greatness than he did. I am convinced we are but instruments in the hands of an unknown power and that we have to follow its bidding to the end. We have a certain apparent independence, according to our moral character, wherein we may benefit our fellows, but in all eternal and universal questions we follow blindly a divine pre- destination. According to that eternal law the greatest of national heroes had to die, but an immortal glory still shines on his deeds.

“However, the highest heroism is that which is based on humanity, truth, justice and pity; all other forms are doomed to forgetfulness. The greatness of Aristotle or Kant is insignificant compared with the greatness of Buddha, Moses and Christ. The greatness of Napoleon, Caesar or Washington is only moon- light by the sun of Lincoln. His example is universal and will last thousands of years. Washington was a typical American, Napoleon was a typical Frenchman, but Lincoln was a humanitarian as broad as the world. He was bigger than his country— bigger than all the Presidents together. Why? Because he loved his enemies as himself and because he was a universal individualist who wanted to see himself in the world—not the world in himself. He was great through his simplicity and was noble through his charity.

“Lincoln is a strong type of those who make for truth and justice, for brotherhood and freedom. Love is the foundation of his life. That is what makes him immortal and that is the quality of a giant. I hope that his centenary birth day will create an impulse toward righteousness among the nations. Lincoln lived and died a hero, and as a great character he will live as long as the world lives. May his life long bless humanity!”


~ "Tolstoi Holds Lincoln World’s Greatest Hero by Count S. Stakelberg", The New York World, February 7, 1909

Blogger Dirk Manly January 02, 2019 11:51 PM  

@55

"Lincoln established an empire which is destroying the American nations.


What???

One of the most ‘Imperial’ actions the U. S. ever took was the 1848 invasion of Mexico. A border dispute with Mexico over the border of Texas blew up into a war. The U. S. invaded Mexico, captured its capital Mexico City, and dictated terms to the Mexican Government. The terms included the U. S. annexing Mexico’s northern territories for a token payment. Thus, the U. S. gained the future states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, and Colorado.

It is hard to be more imperial than that!"

On top of that, Lincoln was about he only Congressman who openly questioned President Polk about the Mexican War. He obtained statements from a couple Generals stating that there was no reason for the hostilities, and despite the popularity of the war (due to it's successful outcome), Lincoln doggedly pursued the issue, and this is generally held to be the reason why he did not win re-election. The public attitude was, "Why is Lincoln making such a big deal about this? We won for cryin' out loud! Why is he looking for demons?"

Gen. Winfield Scott (the senior officer in the Army) was on record as saying there was no cause for hostilities. Maj General Zachary Taylor (commanding general of the field army which invaded Mexico (and who succeeded Polk as President)) himself said that there was absolutely no reason for hostilities between the U.S. and Mexico. There was a war only because President Polk wanted it.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 02, 2019 11:54 PM  

@58

". However, I could see with a Democrat congress and someone unhinged like Kamala Harris or Eric Swalwell as POTUS them doing something irrevocable. "

At which point everybody who refused to register their weapons, and refused to turn in their high-capacity magazines will have been proven to be both astute and prescient.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 03, 2019 12:14 AM  

National Review used to have erudite writers that addressed about history and relevance to current events. Alas, that was a long time ago before the purges.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 03, 2019 12:22 AM  

@78

"Unfortunately for the U.S. there do not appear to be any. Therefore, "God helps those who help themselves.""

Those of us on the Traditionalist/Reactionary Right should be doing whatever we can to curry favor with Russia.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 03, 2019 12:39 AM  

puke

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 03, 2019 12:40 AM  

more punking

Blogger Dirk Manly January 03, 2019 1:10 AM  

The man had an excellent reputation. And most of it very well-earned.

The facts of the matter are this:

1: Lincoln set some bad precedents, because he held his highest duty to be that of preserving the union, so that France and Britain's greatest wish would never be true -- a split into several countries which could be defeated in detail (first diplomatically, then militarily) by those two powers.

This was because, despite the advice of several leading politicians of the South, the hot-heads in the the south initiated hostilities.

Lincoln said repeatedly, even in his inauguration speech, that he would not change a thing with regard to slavery, if it would result in restoring the peace.

Blaming Lincoln for what happened to the south in the Civil War is like a mugger blaming his intended victim for pulling a gun and fighting back.

Yes, the Declaration of Independence is implicitly founded on the right of secession. However, that same document also rests on the right of personal liberty.

To invoke one right from a document, while denying others a right also established in that same document is just dumb, and made the hot-heads come off as either idiots or dishonest.

Either way, it wasn't a good thing for the South to start a war with an industrial power without first having built up its own industry.

IF the South had successfully seceded, they would have been turned into a British vassal state by the time of WW1. All England would have had to do is cut off arms sales when a tech upgrade was appropriate (and there were several of those with regards to combat rifles during the late 1800's, starting with the Dreyse Needle Gun (still using paper cartridges), then mass production of metallic cartridges made the Needle Gun obsolete, so that required the upgrade to the "falling block" single-shot, hand-fed breech-loaders. Then there was the lever-action repeating rifle .... which was made obsolete by the bolt-action rifle fed from an internal box magazine... both for elimination of the necessity to shift the rifle substantially to work the lever when in the prone positions. Also, because the lever action's tubular magazine requires rim-fire ammunition, which is generally not as accurate, all else being equal, as center-fire ammuntion which you can use if you have a box magazine. Also, somewhere along the way, accurate sights were introduced, and then adjustable sights. These developments also required more rounds of replacement of the standard service rifle.

Blogger SciVo January 03, 2019 2:00 AM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia wrote:The good news, perhaps, is that the likes of Alexandria Occasional Cortex and her fellow travelers don't have the will to pick up a rifle and use it, like the crazed Marzist and Anarchist Republicans in 1930 Spain.

As many LARPers as there are on the right, I have to give them props for their props. The crypt-commies are mostly doing the equivalent of slapping a sticker on a keychain kubaton, "My Other Weapon Is An AK-47." That's not a complaint, just... we're losing to that level of laziness. It's shameful.

The Cooler wrote:Dreher is a 51 year old, putatively right-wing, reasonably well-educated writer who knew fuck all about the Spanish Civil War. Until the past few days...

Wait until he learns about La Reconquista, 711-1492. It will blow his mind!

Blogger buscaraons January 03, 2019 2:13 AM  

@60

And to follow up, there's the Catalan books
like the Dietari de la Generalitat durant la Guerra civil (editorial Dau) I haven't read it but it was written at the time of the civil war and the historians all acclaim it
El Silenci dels campanars (Ed la Campanya) which details the religious persecutions in Catalunya. A really good book. And it's interesting to note that the Anarchists who went to Mexico during the 1910 revolution and then carried over what they did there to Spain
Catalans contra Franco (Angle editorial) about how many Catalans even those who supported Franco tactically but never trusted him did what they could to protect Catalan culture.

Paul Preston has written a lot; even a biography of Franco in both languages. Then there's Pio Moa who's very controversial. I disagree with many of his conclusions but welcome the iconoclatic perspective of the Civil war.

Fr Hilari Raguer has also written on the civil war but he's best known for his momumental works on the Catalan Catholic party during the 2nd Republic

Editoral base has many books on the Spanish civil war from the Catalan pespective.

So there are a lot resources. Untranslated but definately worth a look.

xavier

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 03, 2019 7:26 AM  

Dreher to me is the usual conservative intellectual all vanity and ego, scribbles for likes, he'd make an ok martyr in front of his audience. I read crunchy con, ok IMO, but in the hard times ahead that is more dream than reality.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( me so tarded ) January 03, 2019 8:20 AM  

99. Dirk Manly January 03, 2019 1:10 AM
To invoke one right from a document, while denying others a right also established in that same document is just dumb



oh?

then how fucking moronic is it that the Northern states ratified Article 4, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution?

Blogger robins111 January 03, 2019 9:24 AM  

It is frequenly mentioned that Stalin supported the lefties, but they tend to downplay his efforts, even though he sent more planes, tanks and large guns than the germans or italians did.

The truth is, he also sent troops, just like hitler and Mussolini did, but they were of the NKVD type and spent most of their time shooting their allies. France as a supporter of the left whenever they could get away with it, and opened the border numerous times to ship in arms. Mexico was also a big supporter.

Blogger Blaidd January 03, 2019 9:29 AM  

Blaming Lincoln for what happened to the south in the Civil War is like a mugger blaming his intended victim for pulling a gun and fighting back.

Except the Union were the muggers and the Confederacy the victims who retaliated.

Blogger The Cooler January 03, 2019 9:47 AM  

There has never been so fruitless an endeavor, so perfect a waste of time, as arguing with a Yankee about the Civil War (Dad. When he said it).

Blogger pants of fit January 03, 2019 11:51 AM  

@19 I don't see how they're going to get around the Constitution Act's special status for Roman Catholics and education. It's very difficult to start a provincial party in Ontario but they do watch the money fairly closely, which means people will watch for fabric softener and bubbles.

Blogger DonReynolds January 03, 2019 12:03 PM  

VD wrote:What was not mentioned about the Spanish Civil War was the fact that the (Franco) Nationalists received direct military and material aid from both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Really, DonReynolds? It wasn't mentioned? Rod Dreher just isn't the expert on the Spanish Civil War that you are?

Mussolini was a big supporter, and sent troops and military aid, but was frustrated by Franco’s failure to be affirmatively fascist. Hitler sent lots of military aid, which was critically important to the Nationalist victory, but was angry at Franco for not being willing to be more Nazi-like.

Knock it off with the posing, DonReynolds. You're not some sort of learned teacher. It's obvious that you didn't even READ the piece, and that you just couldn't wait to leap in and strike the pose.

Don't do that.


Not that it matters in the least, but you caught a cut and paste error on my part. What is seldom mentioned is the "Moscow Gold". I always read the article, often several times, before commenting. I have no pose to strike. I have never claimed to be a scholar, although there seem to be several who comment here....very well read individuals. I will try to be more careful when editing in the future.

Blogger Unknown January 03, 2019 1:40 PM  

Are you sure they're different Republicans?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm

Blogger Stephen St. Onge January 03, 2019 3:15 PM  

VD wrote:

“You can brag about being anti-racist, apolitical, post-ideological, colorblind, or even apathetic all you like, but once it finally registers that the other side is literally hell-bent on destroying everything and everyone you value, it’s no longer possible to continue lying to yourself.”

Alas, you are overoptimistic. I’ve read a multiple accounts of Bolsheviks caught in the Great Purge who went to the camps or the execution cellar who believed to the last that it was all a mistake, that Stalin would never deliberately murder them.

When the day comes they are beating on our doors begging us to save them, many will still believe it’s all some ghastly misunderstanding that could have been worked out.

Blogger Stephen St. Onge January 03, 2019 4:39 PM  

@26

“Most of today’s leftists may not have the guts to pick up a gun themselves, but they’re *itching* to get in on the defiling and desecrating if they can get someone else to do the shooting for them.”

I wouldn't be so sure of this, people. I still have some contacts on the Left, and I’ve seen some of them itching for the chance to shoot right-wingers.

And before you bring it up, yes, some of them are also Army and Marine veterans.

When it comes, there’s going to be a lot of casualties on both sides.

Blogger Stephen St. Onge January 03, 2019 5:45 PM  

@93

Winfield Scott and Zachary Taylor may have said there was no reason to invade Mexico in 1846, but it’s worth recalling the real history of that conflict’s beginning.

For decades after independence, Mexico was, as Bernard De Voto put it, not so much a country as a late stage in the breakdown of Spain’s empire in the New World. In 1836, there were revolts in Yucatan, northern Mexico, and Texas. Only Texas was succesful.

In 1845, Texas became part of the United States. The border was disputed. President Polk tried to negotiate a settlement. Mexico refused to negotiate, or recognize that Texas was now part of the U.S.

Polk, frustrated, ordered troops to the north bank of the Rio Grande, the border that Texas had claimed since independence. Mexico responded by sending its own troops to order them out of the territory, and when Gen. Taylor refused, attacked them.

Mexico’s persistent refusal to negotiate with the U.S. over its border dispute, and attack on the U.S. troops led to war, and Mexico was “invaded” to end that war.

Mexico started a war it could not win. Tough luck for them.

Blogger flyingtiger January 03, 2019 10:12 PM  

#112 Santa Anna recognized the Rio Grande as the border when he granted Texas independence. Mexico reneged on these terms and provoked the war. Mexico crossed the Rio Grande and the first two battles were fought north of the Rio Grande.
The Mexicans had thoughts of taking Texas and then march on New Orleans. Mexico felt confidant because their standing army was three times the size of Americas, and they were trained by veterans of the Napoleonic wars. Mexico also had better uniforms than the Americans.(Important in those days.) Mexican cavalry was recognized as the best in the western Hemisphere.
Americans won because of leadership and courage. America did not take land from Mexico, we bought it. We were supposed to get Baja California.
To sum up, your liberal history teachers lied to you. The Mexican war was a just war and we defeated imperialism.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 04, 2019 12:35 PM  

@105

"
Except the Union were the muggers and the Confederacy the victims who retaliated."

Ehhhh.... no.

The war was started when cadets from VMI fired on Fort Sumpter, followed almost immediately by other batteries from the Virginia Militia.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 04, 2019 12:40 PM  

@109

"Are you sure they're different Republicans?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm"

If you think that proves Lincoln to be a Communist, your logic is deeply flawed.

What planet do you live on where you get to choose who sends letters to you in the mail?

I get fundraising letters from various political organizations (why, I don't know... )? Does that mean that I approve their solicitations for $$$ and intend on rewarding them with electronic financial donations via credit card?

Blogger James Dixon January 04, 2019 5:54 PM  

> When it comes, there’s going to be a lot of casualties on both sides.

Round one killed around 2% of the population. In today's terms that's about 6.6M. I expect it to be far more given the population densities in the major cities, many of which will be radioactive by the time things are settled.

> The war was started when cadets from VMI fired on Fort Sumpter,

On United States troops occupying Confederate state territory. So who started it again? There was plenty of blame on both sides and neither was going to back down.

Blogger SirHamster January 04, 2019 8:35 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> The war was started when cadets from VMI fired on Fort Sumpter,

On United States troops occupying Confederate state territory. So who started it again? There was plenty of blame on both sides and neither was going to back down.


Possession is 9/10ths. The moral level of war required not shooting first.

Siege, starve, diplomacy. Choosing force unlocked new options for Lincoln to use, and the South lost that exchange in the end.

Does the South want independence more than it wants to claim it nobly lost a war? It's not enough for a past action to be rational or justified. Be effective.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 04, 2019 8:40 PM  

"On United States troops occupying Confederate state territory. So who started it again? There was plenty of blame on both sides and neither was going to back down."

That is the dumbest freaking lie, and I don't know why southerners continue to trot it out, as it just makes you come off as historically illiterate, and speaking under the distorting influence of irrational emotions.



Fort Sumpter and the island it was on was BOUGHT AND PAID FOR by the government in Washington D.C.

It was NOT Virginia land, therefore, not Confederate Territory. That fort had more legitimacy than our base at Guantanamo Bay, which not even the Castro government has ever challenged. And Gitmo is just a rental property.



Regarding the upcoming Hostilities.
I expect no less than 30% dead, with possibilities going as high as 70%, due to the urban areas being absolutely 100% dependent on reliable electricity to maintain the population levels, and that now over 90% of the country is in urban/suburban areas, and many of the suburbanites still have an preference (by action) for the urban problems over the rural people who provide the food.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 04, 2019 8:59 PM  

The South had GOOD reasons to separate from the Union.
I would say good, but not sufficient, based on the statements of southern leaders vociferously speaking against the secessionists.

Be that as it may, the South would have been much better off to simply
1) Secure large amounts of muskets and cannons in the state militia armories (from the British)
2) Simultaneously, set up the framework for their own government

3) Also simultaneously. Drill their state militia every weekend -- take every militia man's weapons into community armories, and expand the size of the militia by doubling it three times: split each company into two. Half of each of the new companies with half of the old companies go to form new battalions.
Repeat 2 more times. Do all of this while waiting for the British musket and cannon shipments.


4) Once well-equipped then just declare independance, and announce their new capital city.

The fact of the matter is, by firing the first shot, the South immediately sacrificed the moral high ground. Lincoln even wrote about this, stressing the absolute, no exceptions necessity, for federal troops to NOT, under any circumstances, fire on any southern militia or anything else in the south. This is why the body of troops which were at a mainland-based fort, who abandoned it and crossed the water to Fort Sumpter for refuge, never fired a shot in self defense.

Lincoln, in his inaugural address, said that he intended to protect FEDERAL PROPERTIES, and nothing more. If the south had simply left the Federally-owned properties alone, Lincoln never would have had grounds for invasion.

Last but not least, throughout the ENTIRE war, the entirety of the South was still having it's mail delivered by Washington D.C.'s Postmaster General and his subordinates.

Letting your enemy's loyalists sort, transport, and deliver your mail is hardly a recipe for success. It's a huge counter-intelligence failure.

The war was started by hot-heads, who were acting in the most irrational way possible, short of committing mass suicide.

Blogger Crew January 07, 2019 11:31 AM  

Re: Beevor's book.

It will be interesting to relate the lead up to the Spanish Civil War to what is happening today in the US to see if there are any parallels.

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