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Saturday, January 19, 2019

An olive branch

This is to discuss the President's announcement, whatever it might be. Initial reports are that it is an offer to trade Dreamers for the Wall. Sounds like just another cuckish compromise worthy of the Republican establishment.
President Trump plans to use remarks from the Diplomatic Reception Room on Saturday afternoon to propose a notable immigration compromise, according to sources familiar with the speech.

Details: The offer is expected to include Trump’s $5.7 billion demand for wall money in exchange for the BRIDGE Act — which would extend protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) — and also legislation to extend the legal status of Temporary Protected Status (TPS) holders, according to a source with direct knowledge.

Jared Kushner and Mike Pence have led the crafting of this deal and the negotiations with members, according to White House officials. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told reporters he had proposed the idea of a DACA-TPS swap to Trump in December, and that the president called it "interesting."
But remember, always wait two days before leaping to any judgement.

UPDATE: It's most likely just positioning for future action:
Top Democrats said they’ll reject an offer expected from President Donald Trump to extend protections for so-called Dreamers for three years in exchange for $5.7 billion in funds for border security as a way to reopen the federal government after almost a month.
Hey, he tried to be reasonable. And they left him no choice but to act in a unilateral manner.

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151 Comments:

Blogger Randomatos January 19, 2019 3:06 PM  

Please don't waste this shot at a soft landing for the sake of another can-kick. Come on GE Trump, we have your back!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 19, 2019 3:08 PM  

Has Trump squeezed the Left so hard that they can't back down on funding the wall, no matter what? Trump offered them DACA amnesty once before, and they couldn't take it, and their base hated them for it. He might think he can do that again. He might even be right.

Blogger Matt Sellitto January 19, 2019 3:08 PM  

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Blogger The Deuce January 19, 2019 3:09 PM  

It's a decent move just because there is absolute 0% chance that the Dems will do anything but flatly refuse to even discuss it, which he can then use as ammunition to say they are too unreasonable to compromise and now he has no choice but to fix the crisis hinself.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 19, 2019 3:09 PM  

My 'Sperg brain is still trying to game theory out how The Paladin King defeats the Vampire Council. Also why Trump has waited so long to build the wall?

However is does occur to me that in order for a bluff or a feint to be effective it needs to be something the Enemy knows that you COULD actually do.

Fourth Gen World War is just too frightening a concept to easily wrap your mind around.

/end rant

Blogger The Deuce January 19, 2019 3:10 PM  

Also, from what I've heard, Trump is offering only an extension, and only for Dreamers. Dems won't consider anything less than instant citizenship for them and several million more.

Blogger Ataraxia January 19, 2019 3:12 PM  

I expect to see a lot of angry Trump fans today. He will offer up DACA deal or some sort of moderate compromise, but only because he knows the Democrats will reject it like they did the last time. Trump wants to transfer ownership of the shutdown and this is his textbook way of doing it.

Blogger Amos Bellomy January 19, 2019 3:15 PM  

Patience, gents. Trust the God-Emperor.

Blogger DJT January 19, 2019 3:17 PM  

As was said in the other thread, there's no point in educating normies. Everyone who is going to choose a side has done so. The rest will passively side with the winner.

So get out there and win, dammit.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums January 19, 2019 3:18 PM  

"I built the wall. 35 minutes ago... "

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 19, 2019 3:19 PM  

Ataraxia wrote:I expect to see a lot of angry Trump fans today. He will offer up DACA deal or some sort of moderate compromise, but only because he knows the Democrats will reject it like they did the last time. Trump wants to transfer ownership of the shutdown and this is his textbook way of doing it.

Even if he is doing exactly that, I'm angry. I'm sick of half measures and temporizing. Time to rip the bandaid off and start hosing out the infection, before it's too late.

Blogger Glaivester January 19, 2019 3:21 PM  

One thing to remember, too, is "DREAMer deal" can mean a lot of different things. People are going to compare this to the deal that Graham and Durbin offered Trump last year.

Of course, that deal was for 2-3 million DREAMers to get a path to citizenship and work permits for their parents (perhaps 2-3 million more) in return for one year of funding (about 1.6 billion for the wall and .5 billion for other stuff). Schumer suggested authorizing the entire wall - however, he would not appropriate all of the money for it. As I understand it, the funding for the wall would still have to be approved every year, so it could be pulled back at any time. And there was the possibility that courts could tie up the actual building of the barrier - this was written right into the bill.

Trump seems to be offering a lot less to them for a lot more. We'll see.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 19, 2019 3:23 PM  

If Trump was to simply give the order to build the wall. With no press, no fanfare or in your face announcements.

How far along would the workers get before anyone in D.C. or Manhattan even noticed?

Blogger OGRE January 19, 2019 3:24 PM  

I'm reminded of the scene in Rome where Caesar must find a reason to reject Pompey's terms of peace. "He refuses to meet me!" Seems fitting to the current circumstance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZeRkvvAKhI

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 19, 2019 3:25 PM  

Cuckish on its face, yes, but the two day rule does indeed apply, and more likely, is being leveraged for maximum effect.

Given the huge backfire on the Buzzfeed gambit yesterday, expect an immediate hell no from Chuck and Nancy, along with the rest of the brigade of imbeciles under their command, because these idiots just can't help themselves. Game, set, match: God-Emperor.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 19, 2019 3:29 PM  

Fox News link. In case anyone needs it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AcY-9Hglzw

Blogger Fargoth January 19, 2019 3:34 PM  

Trump is finally exhausting his steadiest horse: the absolute desperation of the American patriots accomplished during the Obama years.

The sheer desperation of the right leading up to the 2016 election produced excuse after excuse for: A. Trump's failures to follow through on true nationalism, which should have meant mass deportations from day 1, and B. The fact that Trump is the 5G president. Under Trump, we now have a TSA body scanner on every street corner, and throughout rural America. Millimeter waves. Cancer. Neurological damage. A real-time 3D surveillance grid. Go ahead and pretend millimeter waves don't exist. The MAGA crew has NO ANSWER regarding this subject, and any analysis excluding 5G is incomplete, and totally inaccurate.

If the objective of Trump's presidency is to mitigate damage to the American people in the coming civil war, he's doing the worst job imaginable. Dreamers for the wall? Just more enemy soldiers we are going to be locked in with. Rural saturation of 5G? Physically poisoning and weakening the only demographic who could have ever stood against the enemy.

God, I hope I'm wrong. But if he gives amnesty, I hope the rest of you realize that it's time to resort to politics by other means.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia January 19, 2019 3:43 PM  

VD wrote:
Sounds like just another cuckish compromise worthy of the Republican establishment.

Sounds like it, but isn't.

Negotiations 101: Concede on issues you either don't care about, or which neuters the unacceptable objectives of the other side, or which you do care about but can eventually rescind.

DACA as instituted by Obama is blatantly unconstitutional. The Bridge Act was put together to "legalize" elements of DACA. The Bridge Act is "provisional" -- you have to have been born here, you have to be a non-felon, you have apply for "provisional" status, and you have to wait. NO citizenship unless you apply in the normal fashion.

Now I know many on here want to round up everyone who is illegal and send them on slow boats back to the homeland, but that is NOT going to happen. If you think it's possible, I have a bridge over the East River for sale.

What CAN be done is to circumscribe, as best as possible, their political influence.

Because more voters is what DEMS want.

Sorry to be realistic.

And the extending of TPS should be provisional as well.

Ach, doesn't matter. I bet the Dems aren't going to go for it anyway.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 19, 2019 3:44 PM  

Trump's version of America made great again includes the Left. Trump wants to MAGA, and he wants to include the Left. He's not willing to destroy them, because they are part of his vision of America.

He'll make deals with the Left, but he won't deal with them. He'll spank them, he'll humiliate them, but he won't destroy them. Destroying the Left is the only path out of our current fix, so Trump isn't going to achieve our goals. He might prepare the way for someone who will.

Blogger Fred January 19, 2019 3:47 PM  

48 hrs would be late on MLK day. That sounds like a great way to make D's howl.

Blogger Brett baker January 19, 2019 3:51 PM  

The FCC stopped the plan of the US government building the 5G network. Also, all the Chicom made components have to be replaced.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 19, 2019 3:51 PM  

You are absolutely correct. You have to wait 48 hours before forming any judgement. For the next two days we can chill. Chillin' is good! The God Emperor increases our capacity to chill.

Blogger Brett baker January 19, 2019 3:51 PM  

The FCC stopped the plan of the US government building the 5G network. Also, all the Chicom made components have to be replaced.

Blogger Michael Maier January 19, 2019 3:54 PM  

Fargoth wrote:Trump is finally exhausting his steadiest horse: the absolute desperation of the American patriots accomplished during the Obama years.

The sheer desperation of the right leading up to the 2016 election produced excuse after excuse for: A. Trump's failures to follow through on true nationalism, which should have meant mass deportations from day 1, and B. The fact that Trump is the 5G president. Under Trump, we now have a TSA body scanner on every street corner, and throughout rural America. Millimeter waves. Cancer. Neurological damage. A real-time 3D surveillance grid. Go ahead and pretend millimeter waves don't exist. The MAGA crew has NO ANSWER regarding this subject, and any analysis excluding 5G is incomplete, and totally inaccurate.


What in the world are you talking about?

Blogger Jeroth January 19, 2019 3:55 PM  

This tweet is like a kick directly to the groin:

.@realDonaldTrump: The beauty and majesty of citizenship is that draws no distinctions of race, or class, or faith, or gender or background. No matter where our story begins – whether we are 1st generation or 10th generation – we are all equal!

Blogger DJT January 19, 2019 4:00 PM  

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Blogger David The Good January 19, 2019 4:00 PM  

@ Michael Maier

5G wreaks havoc on the human body.

Blogger Shane Sullivan January 19, 2019 4:02 PM  

@25 Trump's a Civic Nationalist; you should've seen that kick coming.

Blogger DJT January 19, 2019 4:04 PM  

Now I know many on here want to round up everyone who is illegal and send them on slow boats back to the homeland, but that is NOT going to happen. If you think it's possible, I have a bridge over the East River for sale.

You don't have to. You just make an example out of 5% of them.

Every single one of those illegals are, at some point, dependent upon law-abiding white people. You just find ways to expose those weak points. Require all landlords to provide proof of citizenship for their tenants, for example. Get creative.

The beauty and majesty of citizenship is that draws no distinctions of race, or class, or faith, or gender or background. No matter where our story begins – whether we are 1st generation or 10th generation – we are all equal!

Oh dear god. Well, we knew Trump was a civnat from the beginning, but still. Does he think he's going to fool anyone with this crap?

Blogger Ken Prescott January 19, 2019 4:06 PM  

How much does the FBI pay you for this?

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 19, 2019 4:07 PM  

Trump offered them DACA amnesty once before, and they couldn't take it, and their base hated them for it.

Yep. When Pelosi and Schumer claimed last year that they had worked out a trade over dinner of DACA for mere increased border enforcement (no Wall), their base ran Pelosi off a stage with signs saying things like "All 11 Million." Their base is demanding they get the money teat flowing again, but that they not give an inch to Trump. Puts him in a pretty good spot. He just has to keep from letting his closest advisors undermine him.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 19, 2019 4:08 PM  

We LIVE!

Blogger DJT January 19, 2019 4:09 PM  

WH Stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LMKwsayAZE

Blogger Twisted Root January 19, 2019 4:11 PM  

Humiliating the Dems by having the the bus turn around on the way to the airport looks a lots less like a petulant tantrum now.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 19, 2019 4:12 PM  

Forget it, he's rolling.

Blogger Amos Bellomy January 19, 2019 4:13 PM  

There is no reason to be disappointed thst a civic nationalist talks like a civic nationalist. Roll your eyes and move on, people.

Blogger Dave W. January 19, 2019 4:14 PM  

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-19/trump-promises-announcement-on-border-as-talks-remain-stalled

Democrats Signal They’ll Reject New Trump Plan on Dreamers, Wall

Top Democrats said they’ll reject an offer expected from President Donald Trump to extend protections for so-called Dreamers for three years in exchange for $5.7 billion in funds for border security as a way to reopen the federal government after almost a month.
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So Trump makes an offer, they reject it again. Who looks like the mature adult to the normies in the middle? The Dems are cutting off their own noses.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 19, 2019 4:16 PM  

@25 Trump is a civic nationalist. I think we all knew this going into the 2016 general election. He is the best we've got at the time and I'll take him over many other presidents.

Blogger VD January 19, 2019 4:19 PM  

This tweet is like a kick directly to the groin.

Citizenship. Not nationality. He's absolutely correct. Being 10th-generation buys you literally nothing.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 19, 2019 4:19 PM  

Offer a "reasonable compromise" that you know will be rejected.

I have used this a few times while talking to various C4ISR players in DoD.

By the time it hits the O-9 Breakfast Club in the Pentagon, your adversary looks like the flaming lunatic he really is, and you end up getting what you wanted to begin with.

Blogger DJT January 19, 2019 4:21 PM  

I would have liked a deadline. "Answer by Monday or I'm doing it myself."

Blogger Raging Papist January 19, 2019 4:22 PM  

Well, the president is right about one thing, we do have a drug problem. The immigrant is the drug. We have to kick that habit.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 19, 2019 4:24 PM  

I'm not feeling it.

Blogger Jack Amok January 19, 2019 4:24 PM  

I would have liked a deadline. "Answer by Monday or I'm doing it myself."

Nah, that just tells the Dems how long they have to find a Hawaiian judge.

Blogger KBuff January 19, 2019 4:25 PM  

That's essentially how I see it. He's bending over backwards, and the Dems are already rejecting it, basically daring him to declare an emergency. I keep thinking we've seen the last straw, but Trump has shown throughout his life that he is extremely patient.

Blogger D. January 19, 2019 4:25 PM  

sjws always double down

Blogger Rick January 19, 2019 4:27 PM  

I don’t see the difference between this speech OF WORDS and the last speech OF WORDS.

I doubt I’ll watch the next one.

Blogger DJT January 19, 2019 4:27 PM  

Nah, that just tells the Dems how long they have to find a Hawaiian judge.

There is no provision in law or precedent for judicial review of the Insurrection Act or 50 USC 29. So they can try and fail.

Blogger Crew January 19, 2019 4:27 PM  

The God Emperor Trump is definitely playing 247D chess!

Blogger ReluctantMessiah January 19, 2019 4:29 PM  

What I don't get is this scenario (DACA for Wall) was brought up before and went nowhere. So why bring it up again?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-no-deal-yet-with-pelosi-and-schumer-on-daca-wall-will-be-built

Blogger Jeroth January 19, 2019 4:32 PM  

VD wrote:This tweet is like a kick directly to the groin.

Citizenship. Not nationality. He's absolutely correct. Being 10th-generation buys you literally nothing.


True, but where is the "beauty and majesty" in that?

Blogger Weak January 19, 2019 4:33 PM  

Never offer a specific timeline. Be a man of action and also a little unpredictable so the other side thinks you might act at any time. It's all in The Art of the Deal.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 19, 2019 4:33 PM  

@50 Now we're in a government shutdown. Now there's pressure and people are starting to hurt. And here's a way out! All you have to do is say yes to this even more reasonable offer than the one before.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 19, 2019 4:35 PM  

All the Democrats can do is scream and cry instead of actually negotiating, courtesy of their insane demographic.

Blogger Halvar Andersen January 19, 2019 4:35 PM  

What happened to wait two days before melting down? Why are the black pills already flying?

@50 It didn't work before, so why not offer it again if he knows they will reject it? Then he can do what he wants without them. They also look like idiots for missing the opportunity twice.

Blogger pyrrhus January 19, 2019 4:35 PM  

Nice maneuver, if that was Trump's intention...How about a few more months of shutdown? The minorities with their no-work government jobs will go crazy.

Blogger PragmaticTroll January 19, 2019 4:35 PM  

If Democrats concede a single penny for the wall, Trump wins. It's the "just the tip" approach, then the Democrats have lost their wall virginity forever.

Blogger Zeke January 19, 2019 4:38 PM  

Guessing:
Trump offers a "deal" the D's won't accept
This deal wasn't designed to be accepted. Trump knows D's won't accept. It was designed for optics.
Possibly a small distraction from other things such as the actual shutdown and possible RIF
Possibly to shine even more light on the "crazy" unapproachable impossible D's

OH:
Hard left prog gov employees on furlough are noticing without them everything is still fine and they're worried everyone else will notice too. The shutdown has screwed with a lot of people's cash flow and brains and a lot of deep thought is happening.

Blogger Jeroth January 19, 2019 4:42 PM  

If he knew they were 100% going to reject his offer, this isn't that bad. Patience is good, but he doesn't have the luxury of decades to get things done. Things need to start moving soon.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia January 19, 2019 4:43 PM  

VD wrote:

UPDATE: It's most likely just positioning for future action:

Hey, he tried to be reasonable. And they left him no choice but to act in a unilateral manner.


As I predicted, the Dems -- or at least Pelosi -- didn't bite.

Of course, why would they? First, Grandma Nancy can't budge because the Occasional Cortex contingent would be livid, and Nancy has yet to prove she can control them.

Second, Namcy et al believe the polls that the public blames Trump for the shutdown. They still have yet to learn that believing polls is hazardous.

Third, Nancy has the fury of a woman scorned. Having the bus turned around when the GE cancelled the CODEL trip undoubtedly made her livid. HA HA...you've come a short way baby!!

Anyway VD is right -- this is all part of battlespace prep. Look reasonable, but alas, act alone. What's a poor president to do?


Blogger Rick January 19, 2019 4:47 PM  

Trump needs to feel massive pressure from his base now.
That’s my 5D chess.

Blogger Rhys January 19, 2019 4:49 PM  

Not that I'm calling any judgement, but really, Trump hopefully by now understands that if he fails, he will have no legacy and his children will probably be destroyed by the deep stste in the future.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 19, 2019 4:55 PM  

The funny thing is, Trump probably does want to work something out for the DACAs, because of the whole "children who didn't choose to break the law coming here and only know English and have no home to go back to" narrative. He's always said he wanted to. But he wants to get something for it, and he doesn't want to let the Democrats and GOP cucks turn it into something else.

The Dems know DACA is actually a piddly thing, and there's no way they can trade the Wall for it, because the Wall kills their flow of future voters. But they've convinced their own people that DACA is a massive human rights issue, so now those people are getting pissed that they won't negotiate harder for it. Their own year-long media narrative is working against them.

Blogger Johnny January 19, 2019 4:57 PM  

My take is that the politics of this stuff is more important than the short term outcome. Thus Trump is going to play this out for as long as there is political gain. And I would be surprised to see the Democrat leadership give Trump anything. That makes a strategy of making them look unreasonable viable because they are unreasonable.

And if other people feel about it the same way I do, Trump really needs to get full funding for the wall, even if he ends up giving something up on the other side of the deal.

Blogger Cecil Henry January 19, 2019 4:58 PM  

Nothing reasonable about this proposal. This is not winning.

The compromise is ....Build the Wall AND then we reopen the government.


Why do Americans vote Republican if the members are absolutely bought and paid by their 'leaders' and indifferent to the electorate.

Trump is a fool to have these people (Kushner et al.) negotiating for him.


Its just like Teresa May negotiating Brexit: the people who don't really want the Wall and what it means are allowed to run interference to minimize its impact.

So disgusting to watch.


Trump has sat on his hands with H1B, e-Verify, birthers, officials defying ICE, and social media censorship.

But we made sure Israel was happy.

INSANE.

Blogger Deep Thought January 19, 2019 5:02 PM  

Which is exactly as he planned it.

They are the clueless, he is the statesman. He never did want DACA, now he's got Schumer and Pelosi DemoKKKrats opposing it.

Brilliant guy.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 19, 2019 5:04 PM  

@50, it worked last time, so it will probably work this time.

@38, Trump is doing pretty well, for a civic nationalist. We need to be on the lookout for something better than civnat for next time.

Blogger Cecil Henry January 19, 2019 5:12 PM  

@64

Short term???!!!

You know, this battle should have occurred within the first 6 months of Trumps presidency. Not 2 years +.


Why the delay.. if you're serious then you know there's no time to waste.

Blogger James Dixon January 19, 2019 5:14 PM  

> Hey, he tried to be reasonable. And they left him no choice but to act in a unilateral manner.

Yep. He tried with a compromise on DACA before, remember, and they rejected it over something (I forget what now) that isn't half as important to them as stopping the wall.

Trump is playing with them. There's no way they'll take the deal. And he reiterated that the wall was going to be built "one way or the other".

Blogger One Deplorable DT January 19, 2019 5:16 PM  

Hey, he tried to be reasonable. And they left him no choice but to act in a unilateral manner.

Exactly. He gave them a perfectly reasonable and acceptable compromise. And they promised to reject it before they even knew what it was.

To hell with the Democrats. Declare a national emergency. Deploy the military to the border. Order them to build the wall. Begin deporting all DACA immigrants. And keep the government shut down until the Democrats concede defeat and fund the wall normally any way.

I want the Democrat party on its knees, battered and broken, and sorry that they ever rejected Trump's olive branch.

Blogger The Rev January 19, 2019 5:16 PM  

The shutdown shows that Trump is finally serious about the wall. If he doesn't get it now, he's finished. So I'm willing to chalk it up to strategy.

Blogger Fargoth January 19, 2019 5:17 PM  

@24 I didn't explain that well, but the point was that the only reason people with common sense still trust Trump is that they're desperate for the whole non-establishment leader thing to save them. The emotional satisfaction of seeing Trump verbalize even a fraction of their frustration satiates most of them enough to keep from actually acting on a local level. The fed up grassroots right is only tolerating the (accelerating) volume of immigration and bullish 5G development policy seen under Trump because it IS under Trump. More important fights now are at local governments.

Blogger Jo K January 19, 2019 5:19 PM  

Jesus, I'm sick of hearing talking heads moaning about how the country is suffering because there are only 70 out of 300 park rangers working at the Grand Canyon.

Keep the government shutdown. Declare an emergency, build the damn wall, and start taking heads. Enough of this kid glove bullshit.

Blogger James Dixon January 19, 2019 5:22 PM  

> He'll spank them, he'll humiliate them, but he won't destroy them. Destroying the Left is the only path out of our current fix, so Trump isn't going to achieve our goals. He might prepare the way for someone who will.

Agreed. But he was the tool available. And so far he's done nothing wrong.

> Fargoth

I know the r isn't very far from the g and the h is close to t, but can't you at least double check your spelling.

Blogger Fargoth January 19, 2019 5:29 PM  

@24 And for the record, I mentioned 5G BEFORE this speech went live. When he mentioned "new drug detection technology", there's a good probability that refers to.....drumroll....you guessed it, millimeter wave, or 5G wave, scanners to see through cars, or even as alarm tripwires across unprotected border segments. If this administration is so hard on for 5G, you know for a fact that fence is going to have its share.

Blogger Rick January 19, 2019 5:33 PM  

It was a weaker speech than the last one.
He’s trading 1 in his base for 2 in the bush.

Blogger Seth Schueler January 19, 2019 5:38 PM  

When the Deocrats defuse the deal they will look like the unreasonable unserious ones, hes trying to flip the narrative. I'd prefer he just build the wall with the military.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 19, 2019 5:40 PM  

All this palaver over $5.7 billion, AKA a little under a week's worth of interest on the current national debt, or 2 days of current Medicare spending. The priorities of some people!

Blogger Rick January 19, 2019 5:40 PM  

“They will look like..” I keep hearing this.
Optics have literally zero value to those people.
“oh that’ll show them!!”

Blogger Gen. Kong January 19, 2019 5:41 PM  

Yet another delaying tactic - so at least 48 hours before we know much of anything. The cuck line-up behind the offer is impressive: Kushner (Satanist), Pence (Satanist, worshipper of Judeo-Christ), and Miss Lindsay (Juan McStain's gay-pedobear ventriloquist's dummy) - not exactly a list of patriots. The offer even includes expanded catch-and-release for invaders. Even more amusing is the pre-rejection already coming from Pelosi and the rabid D-jerseys. The worst possible thing would be if they actually accepted it.

Of considerably greater interest than all of today's gay Kabuki swamp-dancin' was the cave-in today of Amlo's Mexican regime to the demands of the latest "Caravan" which (((Soros))) and his endless NGO pals are organizing in Honduras for a new push to compliment the fairly successful ones which invaded the Banana Empire homeland this past summer and late fall. 400 of the leftover invaders at the border from the most recent one dug their way under the fence in Yuma, AZ and are now under the jurisdiction of treasonous blackrobes. The caravans are being organized because they've not been effectively stopped and repelled at the border. That much should be obvious even to the clueless.

Blogger Mark Stoval January 19, 2019 5:43 PM  

@77 "I'd prefer he just build the wall with the military."

I would prefer that most of the military be brought home from around the world and put on the southern border. How the hell are the troops in Japan or wherever really making us safe? They are not. The military is bankrupting the USA.

They are supposed to be defending the homeland. Let them defend the border!

Blogger Jo K January 19, 2019 5:51 PM  

This whole trying to flip the narrative about which side is unreasonable is a never-ending waste of time. Instead of doing things, we're all sitting around watching each other masturbate.

Cut off funding to foreign nations.
Declare an emergency, build the wall. Ignore the courts.
Round up the traitors, issue indictments. Enough of one law for us and one law for them.

What the hell is wrong with everyone? This is crap we shouldn't even be talking about. We should just be doing. Doing doing doing. Get it done, tell them to eff off when they start squirming and posturing and frothing. To hell with them.

Engaging with these mad progressives is indulging them. There is no compromise here. In words or deeds. If you don't want to kill any babies and they want to kill 10 babies then killing 5 babies isn't a good compromise.

Jesus Christ save us. Everyone is a goddamn wretch.

Blogger Fargoth January 19, 2019 5:53 PM  

@74 I know scientific illiterates may not want to accept that their president is cooking them with literal death rays between 40-90 gHz, but that's the reality of the situation. So now we get a wall, locked in with even more immigrants, and we can't reproduce because of the 2.4 gHz radiation we've been getting the whole time from the little friend in our pocket. Now that's quite the trump card on the most heavily fortified empire in the world's history.

Blogger RusticFederalist January 19, 2019 6:02 PM  

Rick wrote:I don’t see the difference between this speech OF WORDS and the last speech OF WORDS.

I doubt I’ll watch the next one.


If he decides to do something we may not get a speech at all. We might get a Presidential Alert Text.

Blogger Rick January 19, 2019 6:02 PM  

Well said, Jo K. Couldn’t agree more.

It’s been a long time since I been that stupid but how is the left taking this speech? My guess is they are unmoved if they even watched. I never watched Obama.

Blogger Rick January 19, 2019 6:03 PM  

“We might get”

Blogger DJT January 19, 2019 6:18 PM  

You know, this battle should have occurred within the first 6 months of Trumps presidency. Not 2 years +.

THAT, sir, is exactly right.

Blogger Rick January 19, 2019 6:24 PM  

Speech Translation: I’ll dial 911 if it’s ok with the dems.

Blogger Curlytop January 19, 2019 6:45 PM  

I'd totally support that!

Blogger The Mad Dad January 19, 2019 6:48 PM  

The sudden interest in the wall just after midterms feels choreographed, as does each 'offer'. Hopefully the ground-breaking is timed for maximum voter impact going into the 2020 race.

Blogger DJT January 19, 2019 7:01 PM  

If Trump has to run on building the wall in 2020, he is finished.

Blogger Door in the Hill January 19, 2019 7:13 PM  

I saw nothing in his speech to indicate that he's going to cave on getting the wall securely funded and court-proof prior to ending the shutdown.

Whoever said that even declaring a National emergency to build the wall means the shutdown has to end? I haven't seen it. Further, at the rate of progress on this "deal" indicated in his speech, there's plenty of time to start quiet firings before the House and Senate even hash out the differences in their two bills. Assuming the democrats even get off their duffs to produce something he'll even consider signing.

Given his past performance and his statements, I expect only Congress can successfully block the wall, but only if they can produce a 2/3rds majority to block Trump's veto. Probability: near zero.

Blogger tz January 19, 2019 7:24 PM  

Now, start to use ICE to raid everywhere and put deportations on fast track including the caca DACA people (like the two high school rapists in Maryland).

I observed earlier that if the Democrats weren't both evil and stupid, they would load up a spending bill with their wishlist (Medicare4all, paid abortions, gun confiscation) with wall funding and say to Trump, ok, your wall is funded in this bill.

The other betray the base variant is pass a no wall funding CR or bill, then pass a meaningless defund the wall (compare Paul Ryno defund PP 2015) which Trump would veto.

Blogger tz January 19, 2019 7:29 PM  

As to the proposed Amnesty, this is the sequel to the Schumer shutdown about a year ago where Trump would have given the DACA amnesty and more for real immigration reform, but they rejected it.

Trump was getting some blame, but now he has shifted and "shaken the box" as Dilbert would say. Trump is the master of the narrative and will continue to make Nancy and Chuck look even more ridiculous than they are managing to do on their own.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 19, 2019 7:34 PM  

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Blogger Ken Prescott January 19, 2019 7:35 PM  

"I know scientific illiterates may not want to accept that their president is cooking them with literal death rays between 40-90 gHz, but that's the reality of the situation. So now we get a wall, locked in with even more immigrants, and we can't reproduce because of the 2.4 gHz radiation we've been getting the whole time from the little friend in our pocket."

Down the highway, son, not across the street...

Blogger James Dixon January 19, 2019 7:46 PM  

> You know, this battle should have occurred within the first 6 months of Trumps presidency. Not 2 years +.

6 months in he would have been embarrassing his own party too, not just the dem's. They didn't want a wall either. Now that so many cucks have left Washington, he has a slim majority of support in his own party. Nowhere near all though.

> Optics have literally zero value to those people.

It wasn't done for them.

> The worst possible thing would be if they actually accepted it.

Trump wasn't going to make an offer they would accept.

At the moment, this is theater designed to make the dem's look bad. It'll succeed at that. But we still need the wall, and Trump hasn't given us any real indication of how he's going to accomplish that. It needs to be well on it's way to completion over the next two years.

Blogger Jack Amok January 19, 2019 7:49 PM  

Blue pill, black pill? Blue pill, black pill? Who get's shot first...

Blogger James Dixon January 19, 2019 7:53 PM  

> Whoever said that even declaring a National emergency to build the wall means the shutdown has to end?

No idea, but you are correct. In fact, I would make ending the shutdown dependent on the outcome of the court cases against the state of emergency.

Blogger NO GOOGLES January 19, 2019 7:57 PM  

It really is amazing how many myopic idiots show up to immediately denounce everything and despair as soon as Trump does something.

It's a provisional offer of 3 years of DACA. That's about 10% of what was on the table the last time Trump tried to negotiate on this issue. And yet, we get the same people who are just DESPERATE to make a loss out of anything posting the same black pill drivel.

Oh and this time we have some sperg rambling about wifi and how it's somehow killing everyone. Little does he know that the wifi menace is the just the distraction tactic of the lizard people to keep you from talking about the real threat - CHEMTRAILS.

Blogger James Dixon January 19, 2019 8:15 PM  

> Little does he know that the wifi menace is the just the distraction tactic of the lizard people to keep you from talking about the real threat - CHEMTRAILS.

I would say it's all a plot to steal our "Precious Bodily Fluids", but with the recent ado about transfusions with the blood of young people (https://nypost.com/2017/01/16/feeling-old-get-pumped-full-of-young-blood/), that's no longer as funny as it used to be.

Blogger Crew January 19, 2019 8:27 PM  

If you need to report an illegal, remember this number to help President Trump:

1-866-DHS-2-ICE

Blogger Tanjil Bren January 19, 2019 8:45 PM  

"Hey, he tried to be reasonable. And they left him no choice but to act in a unilateral manner."

My first thought precisely.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 19, 2019 8:51 PM  

It really is amazing how many myopic idiots show up to immediately denounce everything and despair as soon as Trump does something.

We've had a steady helping of it for most of three years now. I don't need to observe things like this announcement directly anymore. Their reaction tells me how it actually went, as sort of a negative indicator.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 19, 2019 9:04 PM  

If Trump has to run on building the wall in 2020, he is finished.

It would sound too much like "I totally won't cuck this time." I don't think he wants to go there, and I'm sure he won't be reelected if he does.

Blogger tublecane January 19, 2019 9:08 PM  

Dreamers were a the center of the last shutdown-showdown, as I recall. What happens with them in the meantime?

Anyway, it would be another cuckish compromise if, as usual, Dems get what they want now and Pubs get what they (pretend to?) want never. But if a Wall actually gets built, that would be something else.

Blogger cmbaileytstc January 19, 2019 9:09 PM  

I wonder what bearing if any this has on today’s events.
https://www.infowars.com/roger-stone-warns-of-deep-state-coup-to-install-pelosi-then-hillary-as-president/?fbclid=IwAR2nxQ1TtJWTLv81prMfurPO4GzINrVBscfJMd81qKG94BxtGax8nRctyBg

Blogger Cassandros the Elder January 19, 2019 9:12 PM  

Some of you guys are saying Trump should declare a national emergency, start building the wall, and keep the government shut down until the Courts weight in. When the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ultimately upholds the lower Court's injunction against the wall, it will then be complicit with the other Democrats in keeping the government shut down. Why does the Ninth Circuit hate government workers?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 19, 2019 9:13 PM  

The Ds are not polling well the fake news has moved on to some pathetic bang drumming Indian man and an 18 year old kid from a Catholic school

Blogger S1AL January 19, 2019 9:14 PM  

"I would say it's all a plot to steal our "Precious Bodily Fluids", but with the recent ado about transfusions with the blood of young people (https://nypost.com/2017/01/16/feeling-old-get-pumped-full-of-young-blood/), that's no longer as funny as it used to be."

Vampires were just scientists ahead of their time...

Blogger tublecane January 19, 2019 9:15 PM  

@14- That's brilliant. They also have Octavian trapping Mark Antony by marrying him off to his sister then playing off public distaste for his sexual libertinism.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 19, 2019 9:21 PM  

Fargoth wrote:I know scientific illiterates may not want to accept that their president is cooking them with literal death rays between 40-90 gHz, but that's the reality of the situation.
You're quite the one to be talking about scientific illiteracy. You're not even on the same planet as scientific literacy.
There are many many reasons to dislike 5G. Government surveillance, or at least government surveillance greater than we already have, and literal death rays are not among them.

Blogger Door in the Hill January 19, 2019 9:40 PM  

@97 James Dixon "At the moment, this is theater designed to make the dem's look bad. It'll succeed at that. But we still need the wall, and Trump hasn't given us any real indication of how he's going to accomplish that. It needs to be well on it's way to completion over the next two years."

He's a real estate and construction mogul. Once the issues surrounding paying for it and keeping lawfare from monkeywrenching it, I expect he has plenty of negotiating skill and contacts to get it built quickly, and probably for a bargain price that will make .gov bureaucrats' heads spin.

That probably goes double if he ends up doing it under emergency powers of one kind or another and can shortcut most of the usual bureaucracy.

@99

Sounds good to me. Or just insist that the budget includes a self-destruct, such that it is invalidated if the courts issue a stop work order on the wall. Then any court which tries will have to take the fall for a new shutdown.

Blogger Avalanche January 19, 2019 9:56 PM  

@5 "Fourth Gen World War is just too frightening a concept to easily wrap your mind around."

Oh I am SO with you there!!

Discussing the prospective speech today with a friend, I said I thought he was doing SO much to ... alienate his supporters, because he is working to demonstrate (and demonstrating pretty clearly!) how horrid the lefties are. It's not a slur to a civnat to suggest that he sees part of his task to BE keeping the U.S. together... As MUCH as I want him to just start firing madly at the lefties and forcing all the things we need him to do... he seems to still be trying (albeit with WAY less fervor) to bring-along more of the MPAI on the left or center.

All the whining and yelling about him not "just DO IT!" leaves out that he really IS supposed to be the Prez of the whole place... By giving the left enough rope to hang themselves (and their families, and their aides, and their pets!), he puts the moderate center in the position to agree, however ruefully, that he really DID try everything. NO consolation for us, but we're not normals...

(And I'm clinging to that cause it's soooooo hard to maintain faith with him! Life Preserver Trump, don't fail me now!)

Blogger Boorn Boorm January 19, 2019 9:59 PM  

Based on the famous "heuristic," "what the fight is about is usually not what the fight is about," something is up, "the storm?"
With the help of Scott Adams and Donald Trump, I have been de or re-hypnotized in realizing

1)The Cartels largely control the North Mexican border
2) More amnesty/sancutary cities will help the cartels with human trafficking/slavery/plain evil.
3)ANY type of concession may encourage more (((refugee groups))) to organize pawns...I mean people to take advantage of the asylum loophole.

Anyone who doesn't understand that Mexico is like Colombia in the 80's is either lying to you or a fool.

Blogger Avalanche January 19, 2019 10:17 PM  

@57 If Democrats concede a single penny for the wall,"

Dja see Nutcase Nancy when some reporter said, so you're not going to give even a SINGLE dollar for the wall?" And she flailed a bit and then said, "well, just one dollar...." (and I think she said no... even to that?)..


As the old joke goes:
Him: Would you have sex with me for a million dollars?
Her: Wow. Um, yes.
Him; How about twenty dollars?
Her: No! What kind of a girl do you think I am?!
Him: We've already established that, we're now negotiating price.

Blogger Avalanche January 19, 2019 10:22 PM  

@63 "the whole "children who didn't choose to break the law coming here and only know English and have no home to go back to" narrative."

Yeah, this pisses me off! If 'parents' send their kids to boarding school, and the kids get educated and now know how living in a great place is, they do NOT get to decide to live in boarding school forever! (And especially not bring in their mothers and their brothers and their sisters and their aunts!) After some few years in boarding school -- they GO THE HELL HOME and try to implement what they learned while AWAY at boarding school!

I'm reminded of the meme that shows a mexican girl in a car; and she's telling the cop standing over her: "well yes, my father DID steal this car and give it to me, but I'm keeping it and I'm not going to be paying for it!"

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 19, 2019 10:38 PM  

Per Conservative Treehouse, Pelosi and Schumer have already rejected Trump's offer.

Paint by number for Trump.

Blogger PragmaticTroll January 19, 2019 10:52 PM  

Friend of mine thinks the elite lefties are harvesting Adrenochrome from fetuses and border crossers. That this is why they lose their mind about building the wall or abolishing abortion.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 19, 2019 11:03 PM  

Cassandros the Elder wrote:Some of you guys are saying Trump should declare a national emergency, start building the wall, and keep the government shut down until the Courts weight in. When the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ultimately upholds the lower Court's injunction against the wall, it will then be complicit with the other Democrats in keeping the government shut down. Why does the Ninth Circuit hate government workers?
No, I'd recommend declaring a state of invasion, rather than "state of emergency, using 50 USC 21; this grants a lot of countermoves to the Judiciary or Congress getting uppity.

Namely this would allow him to start mass deportations, while issuing warrants for sedition and Treason (A3S3) for the leaders of the Sanctuary Cities (Chiefs of Police, City Council, Mayor, etc).

If the courts try to block this, A3S3 them; same if the Congress tries to impeach him for upholding the laws of the land, in particular A4S4.

Door in the Hill wrote:@97 James Dixon "At the moment, this is theater designed to make the dem's look bad. It'll succeed at that. But we still need the wall, and Trump hasn't given us any real indication of how he's going to accomplish that. It needs to be well on it's way to completion over the next two years."

He's a real estate and construction mogul. Once the issues surrounding paying for it and keeping lawfare from monkeywrenching it, I expect he has plenty of negotiating skill and contacts to get it built quickly, and probably for a bargain price that will make .gov bureaucrats' heads spin.

That probably goes double if he ends up doing it under emergency powers of one kind or another and can shortcut most of the usual bureaucracy.

@99

Sounds good to me. Or just insist that the budget includes a self-destruct, such that it is invalidated if the courts issue a stop work order on the wall. Then any court which tries will have to take the fall for a new shutdown.

See the above; by making it clearly a matter on invasion and Treason, he would be setting it up for them to literally hang themselves. It would be glorious!

But, honestly, I think he's too caught up with negotiating and theater designed to make the dem's look bad when what we really need is someone who is willing to play viciously.

Blogger Robert Buchanan January 19, 2019 11:13 PM  

Avalanche wrote:All the whining and yelling about him not "just DO IT!" leaves out that he really IS supposed to be the Prez of the whole place... By giving the left enough rope to hang themselves (and their families, and their aides, and their pets!), he puts the moderate center in the position to agree, however ruefully, that he really DID try everything. NO consolation for us, but we're not normals...

If any factor deserves primacy, it's the opinions of perpetually dupable, inscient, infantile mundanes (who might vote for someone because her blazer and slacks were fashioned from pretty fabrics), especially when a steady inundation of ordinarily parasitic and frequently violent migrants are readily ranging our risible border.

Has action ever mattered?

Blogger Door in the Hill January 20, 2019 1:04 AM  

@120 OneWingedShark

Sounds good to me. I haven't bothered to understand the details of the different declarations, so it's better to interpret my "state of emergency" in a more generalized way. I'll try to keep the differences in mind henceforth.

Blogger NO GOOGLES January 20, 2019 1:20 AM  

@121
Obviously to us it is frustrating to see him spending so much time on maneuvering and theater. But winning people over to our side isn't just important: it's the MOST important. When the chips are down, the masses will go with whatever is least painful for them - they're going to side with who they think will win. It will be a motivated minority that actually does the fighting that wins the day.

Even so, it's incredibly important that we get as many people on our side as we can - whether or not they will be fighting with us or just supporting the fighters. Look at the Revolutionary War: only a small percentage actually took up arms and fought, but they were able to hang on and eventually win because there was a larger minority that were willing to support them even if they didn't fight themselves.

So the theater is not pointless. In fact, showing how completely intransigent the Democrats/globalists are to something as simple and vital as basic border security is one of the best ways to turn actual Americans against them.

Also I've read people criticizing Trump for not pushing this confrontation sooner as in before the midterms. That would have been a major error. Shutdowns don't always cause negative repercussions for Republicans in elections, but they have the potential to. By waiting until after the midterms Trump got his best result in the midterms he could under the circumstances and the Republicans still has in Congress can't miss the fact that Congressmen who stuck with Trump largely won their races. Also, almost all of the "never fight - always surrender" cucks either refused to run or lost their races. Basically, the post-midterm Republicans will be more likely to stick out an extended shutdown without caving behind Trump's back than the pre-midterm Republicans. Plus, if a coalition of cuck Republicans and Democrats were able to force a shutdown over the border wall before the midterms there is absolutely no way that Republicans wouldn't take all of the blame - the government got shutdown when both chambers have Republican majorities.

If you have the urge to despair or spew blackpill comments everywhere at the slightest rough patch you need to reassess your testicular fortitude. If you give in to despair to the point of hopelessly casting about just because of a few negotiation tactics during a government shutdown, how in the WORLD are you going to handle yourself when things really start to pop off? Stay calm, give Trump the trust he's earned, and keep your pointless negativity to yourself.

Blogger tublecane January 20, 2019 3:56 AM  

@115- That's such a well-known analogy that it made it into mainstream movie Sicario a few years back. The cartel people reference "Medellin" as an ideal they're trying to recreate.

Blogger Gettimothy January 20, 2019 6:55 AM  

Civ Nat delusion with no credit given to God our Father in the opening is disappointing. Not good.

For rhetorical effect on the normie godless, Trump looks awesome.

Stopped watching there to come read here.

Blogger Gettimothy January 20, 2019 7:03 AM  

@18 "Now I know many on here want to round up everyone who is illegal and send them on slow boats back to the homeland, but that is NOT going to happen. If you think it's possible, I have a bridge over the East River for sale. "

Recent American history calls bullshit.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Wetback

if AnonymousConservative is correct, then the current K shift https://infogalactic.com/info/R/K_selection_theory

Will give us Operation Wetback II

Blogger DonReynolds January 20, 2019 8:33 AM  

Anyone who has lived in Texas or New Mexico for a good while, knows that Mexicans are not Anglos with a year-round tan. There are some very basic differences.

For the Mexican, the word compromise does not exist nor does it make any sense to them. Either you are in charge or they are and whoever is in charge gets all of what they want. Until they THINK they are in charge, they seem to be the perfect employees and coworkers. They will comply with commands until they expect YOU to comply with their commands. There is no power sharing. There is no business of you getting half a loaf and they getting the other half. For them it is winner take all. You could say this explains much of Mexican history but it also explains why the Civnat (Anglo) notions of compromise are incompatible with increased Mexican presence in this country.

Another important difference is the Rule of Law, which is vital to the Civnat tradition and the American system of equal justice for all. The Mexican does not view the law as irresistible. The law is flexible and pliable, if you have the money (or other bribes) or influence. Payola is a fact of life in Mexico, no matter what the law says, and some of the biggest offenders are the criminal justice system itself. This is another incompatibility between the Mexican and the Civnat good-government tradition.

President Trump is from NYC and much of his life was involved in real estate, not only in NYC but in foreign countries as well. That makes him less than pure as a Civnat because he knows that corruption exists and it does make things happen. (Schumer is also from NYC.)

Nancy Pelosi is from California and takes more of her cues from the Mexican personality, as does her state, for obvious reasons. That means, if she thinks she is in charge, there will be no compromise and the Rule of Law means almost nothing to her because it is not irresistible....it is optional.

There are a million and a half illegal aliens who have exhausted all appeals in the immigration courts and have been issued orders of removal (deportation). Many of them have ignored the orders for a number of years, without consequences. This is a population segment that President Trump should be focused on and not bother with more excuses for DACA.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 20, 2019 10:10 AM  

Robert Buchanan wrote:

If any factor deserves primacy, it's the opinions of perpetually dupable, inscient, infantile mundanes (who might vote for someone because her blazer and slacks were fashioned from pretty fabrics), especially when a steady inundation of ordinarily parasitic and frequently violent migrants are readily ranging our risible border.


Robert, giving that factor primacy is the very basis, the ultimate point, of democracy.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 20, 2019 10:13 AM  

The worst part about this is that even if Trump gets all the money, that will not translate into a single mile of new wall in the short term. Every leftist legal organization in America already has all of the paperwork to tie it up in a court case ready to file. There are going to be leftist property owners who will file suits to stop the wall on their property and environmental lawsuits as well.

If this didn't exist, I don't know what is that bad about trading the dreamers. It's 700k people. There are North of 30 million aliens in America.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 20, 2019 10:25 AM  

Trump is very likely setting up for future gains. Unfortunately, we have to get to the future through the present. The normies, the deliberately undecided, are going to back the winner. Optics matter; unless the normies see Trump winning they won't see him as the winner.

Trump needs to pick some low hanging fruit right now. He could start deporting the illegals who are ignoring deportation orders, for example. He could have his DoJ prosecute the scum who let bike lock prof go, for civil rights violations. He could have his DoJ prosecute election fraud - if he really controls DoJ.

This kind of immediate winning would show the normies which is the strong horse, would demoralize the enemy, and show his base he actually controls something. These things could be done in parallel with setting up for future manuvers, too.

Trump, you promised that we'd get tired of winning. I'm not tired yet.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 20, 2019 10:38 AM  

Tars, the dreamers are 700,000 people, plus their entire extended families, plus the extended families' extended families, and so on. Thanks to chain migration, we can't really afford even one.

The numbers aren't the reason we can't compromise with the Left, though. The reason we can't compromise with the Left is that the Left doesn't compromise. We either defeat them completely, or they win. We better get going on forcing unconditional surrender.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 20, 2019 1:22 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Trump needs to pick some low hanging fruit right now. He could start deporting the illegals who are ignoring deportation orders, for example. He could have his DoJ prosecute the scum who let bike lock prof go, for civil rights violations. He could have his DoJ prosecute election fraud - if he really controls DoJ.
That's an interesting thing there: if. What if he were to publicly order prosecution of election-fraud, what would the result be if he didn't control the DOJ? If he did?

Election fraud is one of those things that the average [legal] voter, D or R, doesn't want and would in fact be glad to see prosecuted. So there would be incredible pressure to at least make a show of it by the DOJ if he were to order it and didn't control them.

DonReynolds wrote:Anyone who has lived in Texas or New Mexico for a good while, knows that Mexicans are not Anglos with a year-round tan. There are some very basic differences.

For the Mexican, the word compromise does not exist nor does it make any sense to them. Either you are in charge or they are and whoever is in charge gets all of what they want. Until they THINK they are in charge, they seem to be the perfect employees and coworkers. They will comply with commands until they expect YOU to comply with their commands. There is no power sharing. There is no business of you getting half a loaf and they getting the other half. For them it is winner take all. You could say this explains much of Mexican history but it also explains why the Civnat (Anglo) notions of compromise are incompatible with increased Mexican presence in this country.

Excellently explained.

Though what's really interesting is the older hispanic families/more north (from about Belen north) a good way to start a fight is to call them Mexicans. The 'hispanic' that the media tries to paint as a super all-inclusive bloc really isn't, not any more than "white" is good at encompassing Americans, English, and French (perhaps less-so) -- and we should remember that until a several decades ago 'hispanic' wasn't a thing census-wise and a state like NM would have been counted white. (Of course, NM has suffered a lot of degradation due to the unchecked invasion, just like the other southern border-states.)

Blogger DonReynolds January 20, 2019 2:24 PM  

@132 OneWingedShark
New Mexico is the most unusual of the border states. It is the only state on the border that does not have a major city near the border. Las Cruces is the only significant city in the bottom half of the state, mostly in the shadow of El Paso, Texas. Las Cruces has 100,000 and El Paso has 700,000.

New Mexico has been largely spared the invasion from Mexico because there have traditionally been fewer job opportunities (especially in agriculture) in New Mexico for the migrants, compared to Texas, California, and Arizona. Consequently, there is less friction between Anglos and Hispanics in New Mexico, many of whom have been in the state for generations. The only land grant college in the state is New Mexico State University at Las Cruces. With over 18,000 students, it is a university town and significantly boosts the city growth over long term.

Half of my Dad's side of the family, including both grandparents, lived at Carlsbad and some worked at the potash mines. So I visited the area regularly ever since the 1950s. Many of our relatives from Carlsbad drifted to El Paso and Las Cruces back in the 1960s. It is certainly a different society and way of life than what you might expect in a border state.

Blogger James Dixon January 20, 2019 4:23 PM  

> Election fraud is one of those things that the average [legal] voter, D or R, doesn't want and would in fact be glad to see prosecuted.

I covered this on another thread. Except for the Voting Rights Act, election laws are local, not federal. The only basis for a federal prosecution is a conspiracy that crosses state lines or a conspiracy to deprive voters of their civil rights. Even a relatively large number of people breaking election laws doesn't meet that criteria. You have to show they're conspiring to do so.

Blogger Random #57 January 20, 2019 5:22 PM  

@134 James Dixon:

And your excuse for Trump's blithe inaction is just as bogus as your excuses for his multiple examples of gun grabbing. "His" DoJ could prosecute thousands of Massachusetts and Vermont residents, probably some from Maine as well who regularly cross over to New Hampshire and use a convenient law that allows them to vote if they pledge they're going to move to the state within six months. Cross state border voting fraud is legion in the US, and that's just the lowest hanging fruit that per you the Feds are limited in policing.

He could also use the bully pulpit, he's rather fond of that, but for some reason doesn't seem to care that massive voting fraud could cost him the 2020 election. Between that, the Puerto Rican hurricane, ever more residents getting Red Flagged, and the initiative letting 1.3+ million felons in Florida vote, that state is expected to turn turn from Purple to Blue in 2020, that's 29 lost electoral college votes if enough of these factors combine.

What if he doesn't get some or all of the three Rust Belt states that narrowly voted for him in 2016 by a total of less than 80,000 votes, and that decisively went or moved Blue at all levels in 2018, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin except for districted legislative (no Federal Senate race in that state). Lots of hunters and I don't think another state has as big a proportion of concealed carry permits as Pennsylvania (the requirements are trivial). That's 16, 20 and 10 EC votes, and this time the Democrats won't be complacent about those states like Hillary was.

Just how much of his base do you think he can screw over, or discourage in the case of doing nothing at any level for voter fraud, before his path to victory in 2020 closes?

Yeah, yeah, I know you aren't listening to me, or anyone else in his base who's getting blackpilled as his Presidency ... less than smoothly moves forward, but we all get a vote in this. Maybe he'll build enough of the wall, maybe he'll drain enough of the swamp, we'll see.

Blogger Random #57 January 20, 2019 5:32 PM  

Random thought: I believe this proposal is the first that Mitch McConnell has responded to, will craft a bill and bring it to a vote, he previously for example refused to vote on anything when the shutdown started but the House was still Republican. Maybe this gambit was more aimed at the Senate, which is no less a brick wall when it comes to voting for more Wall than the House, both firmly held by the Uniparty.

Blogger Door in the Hill January 20, 2019 6:08 PM  

@136, Random #57 "Maybe this gambit was more aimed at the Senate, which is no less a brick wall when it comes to voting for more Wall than the House, both firmly held by the Uniparty."

Exactly. Trump has never had a party behind him in either house, just the ability to drag some of the opposition with him because they have an R by their name.

Consider also that he may be saving some of his victory announcements for the campaign trail. Right now, how much does it really matter, and how much more advantage can he get with his base by waiting until the lead up to primaries and announcing victories he's quietly achieved each week to motivate voters to actually get out and keep him in power?

Blogger Random #57 January 20, 2019 6:28 PM  

@137 Door in the Hill: The danger of saving "victory announcements" is that he's steadily losing people who will not easily return to the fold. Especially if they decide he's a liar, which is a fait accompli for gun owners; will they even be inclined to believe him? Some claim he's steadily building the wall as all the drama in DC is distracting people, but a claim like "1/2 the Wall is built" pursuant to "Reelect me to get the rest" is not subject to easy confirmation.

And aside from a stealth building of the wall, what victories, or what fraction of them, should be held in reserve, vs. repeatably proclaimed so there's, for example, a chance his claims will get past the gatekeepers? For that matter, how many will we who pay attention not realize are happening?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 20, 2019 7:44 PM  

James Dixon wrote:. Except for the Voting Rights Act, election laws are local, not federal. The only basis for a federal prosecution is a conspiracy that crosses state lines or a conspiracy to deprive voters of their civil rights. Even a relatively large number of people breaking election laws doesn't meet that criteria. You have to show they're conspiring to do so.

Broward County.

Blogger DonReynolds January 20, 2019 8:56 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:James Dixon wrote:. Except for the Voting Rights Act, election laws are local, not federal. The only basis for a federal prosecution is a conspiracy that crosses state lines or a conspiracy to deprive voters of their civil rights. Even a relatively large number of people breaking election laws doesn't meet that criteria. You have to show they're conspiring to do so.

Broward County.


ANYTIME the same person votes in two or more states on election day, only because they are registered to vote in two or more states, ipso facto they are guilty of conspiracy to fraud the vote and should lose their vote forever and be locked up in prison for 10 to 20 years.

Is it significant? Hell Yes. In the state of North Carolina, about 130,000 votes were cast by people who also voted in other states. This figure well exceeds the margin of victory in enough states to tip the election in the Electoral College.

Not surprising, it is much easier to perform this trick in New England states where states are geographically small and can be driven on the same election day.

Blogger Robert Buchanan January 20, 2019 9:35 PM  

NO GOOGLES wrote:Obviously to us it is frustrating to see him spending so much time on maneuvering and theater. But winning people over to our side isn't just important: it's the MOST important.

What's most important is plenary executive action that he hasn't and should've exercized vigorously in constant frequency, and with which he could've peddled his rhetoric to the common dullard.

[...]

Even so, it's incredibly important that we get as many people on our side as we can - whether or not they will be fighting with us or just supporting the fighters.

No, it isn't. Most adult Americans are dull, degenerate, pusillanimous faggots. Action and demonstrable results are more likely to sway them than incessant, puerile rhetoric.

So the theater is not pointless. In fact, showing how completely intransigent the Democrats/globalists are to something as simple and vital as basic border security is one of the best ways to turn actual Americans against them.

Yeah, Trump can expect to convince whopping hundreds undecided since 2016. That's so thrilling in the light of his flagrant dereliction.

[...]

Plus, if a coalition of cuck Republicans and Democrats were able to force a shutdown over the border wall before the midterms there is absolutely no way that Republicans wouldn't take all of the blame - the government got shutdown when both chambers have Republican majorities.

Does Trump require popular or congressional approval to declare a state of emergency and direct the (exorbitantly funded) military to build the wall? Did he in 2016?

If you have the urge to despair or spew blackpill comments everywhere at the slightest rough patch you need to reassess your testicular fortitude. If you give in to despair to the point of hopelessly casting about just because of a few negotiation tactics during a government shutdown, how in the WORLD are you going to handle yourself when things really start to pop off? Stay calm, give Trump the trust he's earned, and keep your pointless negativity to yourself.

I'm glad to laud Trump when he realizes some minor objective or other, but in actuality, the man's ratio of bluster to action is underwhelming by a conservative assessment. His executive delinquency is appalling; Random #57 has scratched that surface by instantiating it copiously both here and elsewhere, as have everyone from Rand Paul to Molyneux to regulars at MPC. His DoJ is in most of its priorities nigh indistinguishable from Obama's, and his professed commitments seem as sure as those of the three pillocks who preceded them. I'm indifferent to this latest olive branch; that he's wasting his and the nation's precious time with ludicrous reciprocal theatrics instead of exploiting his prerogatives to fulfill his obligations is what concerns me. You can sophisticate legitimate animadversion as "blackpill comments" and "pointless negativity" if you please, but I'd prefer to recognize and bespeak arrant, evidently habitual inaction than optimize stupidly. Haven't you even noticed that he's rightly losing his base?

If you're yoking Trump with hope, you're the one exhibiting a deficit of "testicular fortitude." I can wait for a serious, purposive, efficient nationalist (as Kurz, Duterte, Orban, Bolsonaro, et al.) who has more to offer than censure of and consequent furor from SJWs -- an exploit even I could achieve on a smaller, more satisfying scale.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Robert, giving that factor primacy is the very basis, the ultimate point, of democracy.

If so, that's yet another argument against it.

Mind you, Ike didn't.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 20, 2019 9:42 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:ANYTIME the same person votes in two or more states on election day, only because they are registered to vote in two or more states, ipso facto they are guilty of conspiracy to fraud the vote and should lose their vote forever and be locked up in prison for 10 to 20 years.


That's easy-peasy, but it's onesie-twosie, even though it adds up. Broward County is easy, and it would destroy the entire Florida Dem party machine if they prosecuted it vigorously. Prosecuting Brenda Snipes, and her employees, and the people who appointed her, and the people who covered for her, would put a lid on that sort of count-till-you-win corruption even in Chicago.

Letting Snipes and her handlers walk means the Dems will count as many votes as they need in 2020, because they know they still can. Orange Man Bad is not Bad enough to stop them.

DonReynolds wrote:Is it significant? Hell Yes. In the state of North Carolina, about 130,000 votes were cast by people who also voted in other states. This figure well exceeds the margin of victory in enough states to tip the election in the Electoral College.

We absolutely need to prosecute the onesie-twosies, and the organized criminals.

Coming down hard on blatant election fraud is something that not even the MSM could use against Trump. The sanctity of elections drum is one the Left has banged so hard that even the normies would notice if they try to unring that bell. Showing that the Dems have consistently conspired to steal national elections would get every normie righteously pissed, even the ones who lean left. They still wouldn't do anything, but they might get to the polls, and they might tend to vote for pro-Trump candidates.

Again, this is low-hanging fruit, this is a way Trump can toss a bone to his base, this is a way Trump can show the normies he's the strong horse and it's safe to back him, this is a way Trump can demoralize the Left. I get that there is a plan, I get that we don't want to fry the little fish until we've used them as bait. I'm not saying that he should abandon the long term in favor of the short term, but that he should offer up some short term victories to compensate for persecuting the Right and aiding antifa, and offering up bump stock bans and DACA amnesties and more H1b visas.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 20, 2019 10:01 PM  

Robert Buchanan wrote:I'm glad to laud Trump when he realizes some minor objective or other, but in actuality, the man's ratio of bluster to action is underwhelming by a conservative assessment.

Trump's goals are not our goals. I'm pretty sure Trump wants to go back to the Empire of his youth, when the Dems and the GOP worked together to keep the US great so they could conspire together to rob it blind. The Left is part of Trump's vision, and he wants them to abandon their excess and get back to business. He's not about to expose them for what they are, because that would mean we'd never restore the 1950s. Trump isn't about to support the anti-antifa types on the right, either; street brawlers are no part of his vision. Trump imagines happy, healthy, mostly unpozzed factory workers and farmers who will support the empire and the Uniparty, and all just get along because we're all imperial citizens. He very obviously wants no part of anything that will destroy the Uniparty, he just wants to bring it to its senses.

What we're seeing isn't inaction so much as action toward goals we really don't support. Why isn't Trump supporting his base? Because we don't want what Trump wants. At least he doesn't hate us.

Robert Buchanan wrote:His DoJ is in most of its priorities nigh indistinguishable from Obama's, and his professed commitments seem as sure as those of the three pillocks who preceded them...

We aren't sure yet that Trump actually controls the DoJ. Actually prosecuting some high profile election fraud would indicate that he actually does control the DoJ, and that's yet another reason to do it. Trump is a civnat boomer, and his goals are not our goals, so no reason to expect him to implement our preferences.

Blogger Robert Buchanan January 21, 2019 12:59 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Trump's goals are not our goals. I'm pretty sure Trump wants to go back to the Empire of his youth, when the Dems and the GOP worked together to keep the US great so they could conspire together to rob it blind. The Left is part of Trump's vision, and he wants them to abandon their excess and get back to business.

...and I thought I was ineluctably stuck in the '80s! That's a fine insight, but not too consolatory when you consider that good people suffer because ARE PRESIDENT is less malicious or collusory than simply deluded.

What we're seeing isn't inaction so much as action toward goals we really don't support. Why isn't Trump supporting his base? Because we don't want what Trump wants. At least he doesn't hate us.

I want Trump to succeed, and I'll vote for him again (albeit with scant avidity) if only for more constructionist appointments to federal courts, and in the hope that the election of another globobot like Harris will be dashed. Withal, I can't wax agog for somebody who can't or won't keep most of his promises.

We aren't sure yet that Trump actually controls the DoJ. Actually prosecuting some high profile election fraud would indicate that he actually does control the DoJ, and that's yet another reason to do it. Trump is a civnat boomer, and his goals are not our goals, so no reason to expect him to implement our preferences.

Faith, but what's the point of defeating mainstream neoconservatism when we've yet another president more responsive to Israel than to his ostensive base...?

Blogger Avalanche January 21, 2019 3:46 AM  

@121 "If any factor deserves primacy, it's the opinions of perpetually dupable, inscient, infantile mundanes (who might vote for someone because her blazer and slacks were fashioned from pretty fabrics), especially when a steady inundation of ordinarily parasitic and frequently violent migrants are readily ranging our risible border.
Has action ever mattered?
"

I'm DESPERATELY grasping at ANY possible explanation to keep from losing hope! It is difficult in the extreme to try to keep my OWN hopes up, while also trying to urge my friends not to give up! I'm trying to find ANY working hypothesis for why our God Emperor is apparently dragging his feet (on action!) -- and our country through the slime (instead of action!).

I'm not finding any worth even a modicum of 'belief'; I'm just scrabbling at the cliff edge trying to grasp ANYthing to keep from falling into the pit. Repeatedly battered animals have trouble trusting that maybe THIS time it will be different.

Blogger Door in the Hill January 21, 2019 5:08 AM  

It's also helpful to think back to the 2016 election and where we were then. I voted for Trump somewhat reluctantly, but knowing that he was the only possible hope there was. I was ready to believe fleeing the country would be in order if Hillary had won.

Looking now, the Overton window is hugely shifted, there have been significant improvements for ordinary people's lives (the progressive gutting of Obamacare is one for me), and the track is towards continued improvement.

Perfect? No. Nevertheless, there's a vast chasm between the path we were on, and the current trajectory. Barring a significant change in the intervening time, I'll be far more happily voting for Trump in 2020 than I was in 2016 and much more interested in trying to get people I dare to mention it to to do the same.

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Blogger Vaughan Williams January 21, 2019 5:28 AM  

@145 Things are bad, but we have every reason to hope and be glad. We know how this story ends.

Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

Hebrews 11:6 ... he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Psalms 58:11 So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous:
verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.

Also recommend to read the prophecies of Seiner van Rensburg, the only man since New Testament times who didn't fail any of my tests for detecting false prophets.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 21, 2019 11:05 AM  

Door in the Hill wrote:Looking now, the Overton window is hugely shifted, there have been significant improvements for ordinary people's lives (the progressive gutting of Obamacare is one for me), and the track is towards continued improvement.

Perfect? No. Nevertheless, there's a vast chasm between the path we were on, and the current trajectory.


Trump has done enormous good, by being not-Hillary, and by being Trump. He's done some good by being president, too, but he's slacking there. The Constitutional President has great power, the Imperial President has far more power, and Trump really hasn't used any of it much. He wants to clean things up, not burn it down.

Trump has been trying hard to co-opt the Leftists in government. He did very little house cleaning in January '16. Most of the ``new'' people he brought in were Lefty Bush retreads, and Lefty flag officers who had spent eight hears sucking up to 0bammy. The military is still disfunctional, still focused on tranny-acceptance and diversity, and Trump's flag officers are keeping it that way. China won't have to sink our carriers - the Navy's primary threat is diverse crews sinking their ships!

Blogger OneWingedShark January 21, 2019 11:46 AM  

Avalanche wrote:I'm DESPERATELY grasping at ANY possible explanation to keep from losing hope! It is difficult in the extreme to try to keep my OWN hopes up, while also trying to urge my friends not to give up! I'm trying to find ANY working hypothesis for why our God Emperor is apparently dragging his feet (on action!) -- and our country through the slime (instead of action!).
Pray; pray hard.
I am and have been praying for years, since before the 2016 primaries, that God helps us to put into positions of power and authority those who DO Justly, who love Mercy, and who walk humbly with God. / I've recently taken to asking God that he destroy our enemies: the elite who wish to eradicate our people and culture from the face of the Earth.

Door in the Hill wrote:Looking now, the Overton window is hugely shifted, there have been significant improvements for ordinary people's lives (the progressive gutting of Obamacare is one for me), and the track is towards continued improvement.
The "progressive gutting of Obamacare" is pure political theater -- the proper response would have been to use the fact it makes medical records available to the government; Roe vs. Wade declared that abortion laws were illegitimate because of a Constitutional right to the privacy of medical records, therefore a law requiring abolishment of that privacy would first need a Constitutional amendment. (ie Make the Courts square their circles.)

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Trump has done enormous good, by being not-Hillary, and by being Trump. He's done some good by being president, too, but he's slacking there. The Constitutional President has great power, the Imperial President has far more power, and Trump really hasn't used any of it much. He wants to clean things up, not burn it down.
I fully agree; but I'm not sure he understands one thing: compromise between evil and good works only to evil's favor. In order to clean things up, there's going to come a point where you have to spill blood -- metaphorically or literally -- because that's what bringing the lawless under the law will end up requiring: they're used to their power, garnered from corruption, and will attempt to destroy those who attempt to cut off that source of power.

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