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Tuesday, January 08, 2019

The National Address

Comment here on the President's speech.

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Blogger Wolfman at Large January 08, 2019 8:57 PM  

Fox Phoenix stream.
Chat is already highly entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1CHWtxYkAw

Blogger Crew January 08, 2019 9:01 PM  

Listening via RSBN.

I think it is going to be awesome.

Will he mention that he has a list of SCOTUS picks?

Blogger PragmaticTroll January 08, 2019 9:02 PM  

I will definitely watch the Democratic response following....snicker...

Blogger Crew January 08, 2019 9:03 PM  

Uh oh. I think he wants to wood-chip the illegals!

Blogger Pax_Romana January 08, 2019 9:03 PM  

He seems to be brimming with excitement. He's rushing his speech...I hope it's as good as we think it will be.

Blogger Tino January 08, 2019 9:05 PM  

He does need to slow down. But he is hitting the right points...

Blogger James Waterman January 08, 2019 9:07 PM  

Slow down says the concern troll.

Blogger Rickaby007 January 08, 2019 9:08 PM  

He's gonna build that motherfucker! Bye bye, Mexico!

Blogger Disciple of Kek January 08, 2019 9:10 PM  

Anybody else getting a lot of errors from the official White House channel?

Now trying the Fox Phoenix stream, thanks Wolfman for the link.

Blogger SJ January 08, 2019 9:10 PM  

Doesn't sound like he's declaring a state of emergency

Blogger Rickaby007 January 08, 2019 9:11 PM  

Nah, I'm watching it on JF's channel.

Blogger Pax_Romana January 08, 2019 9:11 PM  

@9 Yeah, I was having that trouble, too.

Blogger David The Good January 08, 2019 9:12 PM  

Just sharing his concerns again. No troops. No guillotines. Sad!

Blogger VFM 9054 January 08, 2019 9:13 PM  

That was unfortunate. I was hoping that he was announcing that he was closing the border until the spending bill gets passed.

Blogger MendoScot January 08, 2019 9:13 PM  

He said migration.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 08, 2019 9:14 PM  

That was the God-Emperor's seriously grim s*** face.

Blogger Pax_Romana January 08, 2019 9:14 PM  

Good speech, but I look forward to hearing analysis from Vox, Owen Benjamin, et al. To me, it seemed like he was appealing hard to emotion and throwing all future murders committed by illegal aliens at the hand of Democrats, which could be effective to the fence-sitters and those few in Congress who aren't ideologues, but...yeah, I'm not sure.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums January 08, 2019 9:15 PM  

"Why do these these politicians who think a wall is immoral have walls around their house? Because it's about protecting the people inside" (paraphrased a little)
I thought it was a great use of dialectic and rhetoric at the same time.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 08, 2019 9:15 PM  

@16

Only, instead of the grim darkness of the far future, it's the grim darkness of the near future where there is only war. XD

Blogger PragmaticTroll January 08, 2019 9:15 PM  

That sudden cut to Pelosi and Schumer was TERRIFYING!

Blogger Silent Draco January 08, 2019 9:17 PM  

Setup to squeeze Democrat leadership, and use the club of "since they won't protect us, the people we love inside the wall, then I have to."

Numbers dead of drug overdoses, large numbers of invaders - check
Border barrier wall - check
Mexico indirectly paying for the deal - check
Rhetoric bomb dropped on Chuck Scrooger and Democrat leadership - bingo

Short, blunt, filled with numbers and gruesome examples. My guess is the decision is already made, and the pause is to allow a full Wile E. Coyote extension off the cliff by the Dems.

Blogger Johnny January 08, 2019 9:17 PM  

The job is wearing on Trump. That is the grim face. I feel like I am watching a movie were the bad guy is going to win.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 08, 2019 9:18 PM  

Hark the herald vampires speak.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 08, 2019 9:19 PM  

Schumer and Pelosi just said "fuck off" to Trump. I predict an declared emergency before the week is over.

Blogger Pax_Romana January 08, 2019 9:20 PM  

Schumer looks like a cornered man, and Pelosi looks drugged...as per usual.

Blogger Crush Limbraw January 08, 2019 9:20 PM  

This might be appropriate for the mindset of America today - mostly emotional - but what was unsaid?
Anericans are being replaced!
So said James Kilpatrick and he is 100% right!

Blogger Baseball Savant January 08, 2019 9:20 PM  

22. Johnny January 08, 2019 9:17 PM
The job is wearing on Trump. That is the grim face. I feel like I am watching a movie were the bad guy is going to win.


And I'm sure you're a full fledged fag.

Blogger Salt January 08, 2019 9:21 PM  

Pelosi and Schumer, smh.

Blogger Watcher of the skies January 08, 2019 9:22 PM  

Build the wall!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 9:23 PM  

Is there a link to a transcript or a video?

Blogger Charles Perniciaro January 08, 2019 9:23 PM  

President Trump nailed the rhetoric with the part about building walls for love and not hate. The closing was very good as well.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 08, 2019 9:25 PM  

The next presidential address where Trump declares a national emergency should go over the emergency broadcast system.

Blogger Pax_Romana January 08, 2019 9:26 PM  

Sanders is trying to play the "Think of the children" card...that ain't gonna work; Trump already did it and I think did it better.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 08, 2019 9:27 PM  

Little drunk right now. Unsure how else to share this.

https://wolvesandmen.wordpress.com/2019/01/09/quick-meme-not-sure-how-else-to-share-this/

Blogger Silent Draco January 08, 2019 9:27 PM  

Not posted yet at https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/

Blogger Pax_Romana January 08, 2019 9:28 PM  

@34 [deep belly laugh] Beautiful meme!

Blogger DJT January 08, 2019 9:32 PM  

Lindsey Graham is shilling for legalizing DACA kids. Smh

Blogger 1Fury2@ January 08, 2019 9:33 PM  

Chuck & Nance look like crows feasting on the flesh of America

Trumps rhetoric was good- honest and direct. Speaking so shortly and directly confused his opposition

Blogger DJT January 08, 2019 9:34 PM  

I don't think this speech is going to change anything. I hope his legal team is prepping an EO declaring an INSURRECTION--not a state of emergency. Different legal standard, different powers.

Blogger Hammerli280 January 08, 2019 9:44 PM  

I was a bit surprised Trump didn't declare an emergency, but this is probably a necessary first step.

Blogger 1Fury2@ January 08, 2019 9:45 PM  

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Blogger Hammerli280 January 08, 2019 9:46 PM  

Rhetorically, though, it was a very good speech. I particularly liked the line about building walls not because you hate what's outside, but because you love what's inside.

Blogger Stilicho January 08, 2019 9:46 PM  

Dude, where's my wall?

Blogger New Atlantis Lost January 08, 2019 9:47 PM  

I do not understand why he is giving them so many chances before declaring an emergency. He doesn’t even need to do that to find the wall. He could use the budget for the military in the Omnibus

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 9:54 PM  

Transcript at https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/08/trump-immigration-speech-full-text-1088710

A good speech, but still no action, still no promise of action, still no reason to expect action.

Come 2020, we need to elect someone who can follow words with actions. Trump, show us some action!

Blogger nswhorse January 08, 2019 9:57 PM  

Is this what the major networks were declaring they wouldn't broadcast?

Blogger Watcher of the skies January 08, 2019 9:58 PM  

just got a text alert from NYT basically saying Trump's address to the nation was at times misleading...

I'm sure NYT thinks the same about that Campus Reform video that popped online today. Talk about brainwashing , psyops and whatnot

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 08, 2019 10:02 PM  

@45

"Come 2020, we need to elect someone who can follow words with actions."

Nigga, he's literally shut down the government until they give up and let him get to business in addition to all the other things he's accomplished. Shut up. For once in your miserable, filthy mongrel existence, shut up. Man, it really is like Vox said: the time preference of children. I hope generation zyklon doesn't have this whole 'microwave generation' issue that the boomers foisted on everyone else including themselves.

Blogger Cecil Henry January 08, 2019 10:03 PM  

Very disappointing.

Build the Wall.

We have a right to our homeland. PERIOD.

Say it, and DO it.

Disgusted with the waffling. Its not a fence, its a WALL. Trump even campaigned on a Wall, NOT just a fence. Come on !!!

Blogger FP January 08, 2019 10:10 PM  

@21

I agree. It doesn't do what many of us want, but it gets out the numbers and emotional rhetoric to set the stage. Complete with the politician's homes having walls. CNN is of course going bitchcakes already with counter fact checks.

The dem response was them doubling down with the same tired rhetoric with Nattering Nan and Chuck You Schumer doing their best attempts at stern looks and attitudes. The memes are already out on that one green acres and american gothic references galore.

Blogger Rahul S January 08, 2019 10:11 PM  

Did Pelosi have another BoTox injection...or was that a lot of makeup

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 08, 2019 10:18 PM  

Low-energy speech coming from Trump. I want a fucking wall. Not a fence. Schumer and Pelosi looked like disciplinarian nannies trying to shame an alcoholic father. The democrats hate America and could give two shits about preserving this nation for its posterity. They'd rather give it away, party it up, and let following generations suffer from their shin-dig. I need a fucking fighter, not a cuck president.

Blogger bobby January 08, 2019 10:23 PM  

Brilliant.

He's owned the news cycles for the next week, at least. The press will repeat his points endlessly as they attempt to make him out the liar, but all they will do is make themselves look even more partisan.

Damn, but he owns these people's heads.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey January 08, 2019 10:27 PM  

Strange times on CNN. They declared Trump the winner over Pelosi and Schumer, that was unexpected of them. We'll see how this plays out on the left, but their position just isn't popular or that tenable.

Blogger Bjorn January 08, 2019 10:31 PM  

Good speech by Trump. I have a feeling it was made for the normies, rather than for us. None of Trump's points were things we didn't know already. I found it interesting how flustered Schumer and Pelosi looked. Chuck was very two-faced, while Nancy was glassey eyed. On the other hand, Trump looked confident as always.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 08, 2019 10:33 PM  

@52

"I want a fucking wall. Not a fence."

Yes, because fences are typically 10 feet tall or higher or 20 or 30 feet like what Mr. President actually wants.

Blogger Phil Mann January 08, 2019 10:33 PM  

Best "official" speech of Trump's presidency so far, and great rhetoric as well -- good Americans who are now dead at the hands of illegal aliens vs. Chuckosi's grave concerns over leeching government workers who (sob) might not get a paycheck this week. Yeah, wonder who the average Joe is going to sympathize with on that one.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 08, 2019 10:36 PM  

I'm not impressed.
But the "2 Day Rule" applies. So I will withhold feels and impressions for now and see what happens.
IMO anything short of putting the Army on the border, declaring sanctuary cities to be insurgent and rolling up the governments of said cities, and declaring instant pardon for anybody defending themselves against physical attack over politics is simply not enough to save the republic.

Blogger Up from the pond January 08, 2019 10:38 PM  

I'll wait until Thursday. Two-day rule.

But until then, consider this. For some people, the two-day rule is slipping into a "two-year rule." Not good.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 10:43 PM  

@48, a shutdown is just cheap talk until it achieves something.

Wake us up when the Dems cave and Trump doesn't. That could happen - Trump isn't the typical GOP cuck. It hasn't happened yet.

He's halfway through his first term. At first, each time he pulled up short of doing something really great, we thought that he was holding back to tee up something even bigger. Time to start actually delivering on some of that winning he has supposedly been teeing up.

There are supposed to be 60,000 sealed indictments. Surely he could throw us a bone and open one or two. He doesn't have to jail everyone in the SES, but he could jail one or two criminals from the previous administration just to prove he means to drain the swamp.

Seriously, if what we've seen so far is the best he's going to do, it's time to start building up a serious candidate for 2020, because the great orator we saw tonight isn't going to cut it. Great speeches are great, but they aren't enough.

Blogger Up from the pond January 08, 2019 10:45 PM  

We can talk about the pitfalls of "short time preference" all we like. But there is also the opposite problem. Mexicans know it very well: they call it "mañana."

It's the feeling that one has all the time in the world. "Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow?" is another expression of it.

Do we have all the time in the world? All the time to sit back and "trust the plan"? Remember "trust Sessions"?

Maybe hustling and "gettin' 'er done" is a mark of maturity and reason as well.

Blogger Rick January 08, 2019 10:48 PM  

There is no way Trump is going to shrug his shoulders and go oh well I tried.
No way.
Within two days, maybe after his 45 invite tomorrow, a state of emergency alert will go out.
He gave them one last chance in front of everyone. He knew they’d give him the finger. But really they have no choice.
He just said he took an oath to protect us.
He can’t walk that back.

Blogger Rick January 08, 2019 10:48 PM  

*45 minute invite

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 10:50 PM  

Up from the pond wrote:But until then, consider this. For some people, the two-day rule is slipping into a "two-year rule." Not good.

Somehow, it's jam every other Tuesday, but never jam this Tuesday.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 08, 2019 10:50 PM  

@58
That is also my take.

A message needs to be sent to Mexico that Mexico's allowing immigrants to illegaly enter Mexico, transit and illegaly enter these uSA has become another reason for the national emergency; let Mexico infer a military issue has arisen.

Blogger H8KU com January 08, 2019 10:54 PM  

0/10

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 10:56 PM  

@62 Rick, two years ago I was saying ``he's setting the stage, he's showing the normies, he's settin' `em up to knock `em down.'' Well, the stage is set, the normies are shown, and nobody's getting knocked down. After two years of not actually draining the swamp, I've stopped expecting any actual swamp-draining action. I'm eager to finally be surprised, but not really expecting it any more.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 10:58 PM  

And with all that, it was a great speech that pushed a lot of the right buttons.

Blogger Tino January 08, 2019 11:01 PM  

There are not, and never have been, 60K sealed indictments...

Blogger Phil Mann January 08, 2019 11:03 PM  

He gave them one last chance in front of everyone.

That is EXACTLY what he did. His very first words about, "a growing humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border" were a clear set-up to declaring an emergency. His challenge to Democrats to sit down and solve the situation "in a 45 minute meeting" will go unanswered. If he doesn't then declare an emergency saying, "I gave them a chance," he will be a great disappointment. My money, however, remains on the GE.

Blogger Up from the pond January 08, 2019 11:03 PM  

Jews have the saying, "If not now, when?"

We have the saying, "Trust the plan."

One is active, the other is passive.

For levity, here's Yoda: "Do, or do not. There is no try."

Tonight's speech serves as a good marker of the start of the Trump administration's third year.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 11:06 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:IMO anything short of putting the Army on the border, declaring sanctuary cities to be insurgent and rolling up the governments of said cities, and declaring instant pardon for anybody defending themselves against physical attack over politics is simply not enough to save the republic.

The Hillary Archipelago, the judiciary, the SES and all of DC are in open rebellion against the president. Those things you mention are probably necessary, but surely not sufficient. A strong leader would take the necessary and sufficient steps. I don't think Trump is willing to go that far.

Trump doesn't want to be the man who changes everything, so he's likely to end by changing nothing.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 11:08 PM  

Tino wrote:There are not, and never have been, 60K sealed indictments...

Dude, I'm only asking for one or two.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 08, 2019 11:12 PM  

@70

I hope that you are right.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 11:20 PM  

@70, Trump has not established a pattern of taking unilateral action. He has the very best rhetoric, but so far, not much else.

Declaring an emergency, declaring congress irrelevant and staring down the judiciary who try to stop him would be game changers, and I really don't think Trump is willing to change the game.

Blogger nswhorse January 08, 2019 11:20 PM  

If Trump cannot do what hehas promised because there are simply too many traitors and the forces of evil are too strongly entrenched, then you can forget electing someone better. The only through will be war.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 11:24 PM  

@76, agreed, if Trump simply can't, then it's time for war. Trump needs to show us he can, or show us he cannot.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 11:29 PM  

@76, I think that what's holding Trump back is not that evil is too deeply entrenched, but that confronting it adequately will mean damaging the system. He doesn't seem like the man to amputate the gangrene to save the patient.

Blogger JAG January 08, 2019 11:37 PM  

It makes one tempted to run for POTUS as a nobody, but promising to declare martial law as your first act of office. Military on the border, mass deportations, and GITMO for all traitors to soon follow.

Blogger nswhorse January 08, 2019 11:39 PM  

You talk as if it's a simple thing to just flick the switch and kill millions of Americans (and "Americans") in order to save America, or salvage something from what was once America.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 11:39 PM  

@79 JAG, you have my vote. Let's form an exploratory committee.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 08, 2019 11:44 PM  

"You talk as if it's a simple thing to just flick the switch and kill millions of Americans (and "Americans") in order to save America, or salvage something from what was once America."

My former boss had some good sayings. One of his favorites was, "Any job is easy if you don't have to do the work."

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction January 08, 2019 11:54 PM  

Your pissing and morning over semantics...

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction January 08, 2019 11:56 PM  

The posters whining over semantics is beyond annoying. Who give a fuck what it’s called so long as it does the intended job?

Blogger rumpole5 January 08, 2019 11:57 PM  

Touchdown! Gotta love this guy.

Blogger NO GOOGLES January 09, 2019 12:07 AM  

There are a lot of people posting here thinking that Trump has a chance to save the USA. He does not. I like Trump and I support him. But the current system is beyond saving. Trump's main purpose is to wake more people up to how intransigent our problems are and that the reason for this is because we have so many traitors holding power in our system.

He is accomplishing that.

Blogger CoolHand January 09, 2019 12:07 AM  

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Blogger CoolHand January 09, 2019 12:11 AM  

And there's that same concern fag, right on cue with his filibuster of masturbatory self regard.

Seriously man, you need another hobby.

Or maybe just go out and try to get laid for a change.

Something.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction January 09, 2019 12:13 AM  

Yep, and the defeatist always seem incapable of looking behind them. The Overton window has shifted a lot in a few years. We went from no hope of the issue illegal migrant being seriously addressed to a president shutting the government over it. We are in a no lose situation right now as far as I’m concerned, get the wall or the government stays down.

Blogger John January 09, 2019 12:15 AM  

@86 But the current system is beyond saving. Trump's main purpose is to wake more people up to how intransigent our problems are

Trump can do a lot more than that. He can escalate the political & social tension and get the Dems to overcommit. He can keep the government disabled. He can demilitarize our imperial colonies. He can send the military to occupy the border.

But no, of course he cannot save the USA.

Blogger Alexandros January 09, 2019 12:32 AM  

That was it?

Blogger FUBARwest January 09, 2019 12:35 AM  

What is up with the debbie downers in this thread. I cant tell if you guys are serious or just concern trolling but seriously chill out. If you're on this blog then you already know Trump was saving the boat that is this country. He was and is buying time and hopefully waking people up.

Wait and see what happens. In the meantime do what you need to do to be prepared. 2030 is coming, 12-15 years away. Worry about getting your stuff together rather than the one man nobody on this blog is qualified to critique. Trump has the entire media, deep state, and a majority of the bureaucracy of government against him. Be more concerned you dont end up like the Afrikaners still in SA right now

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 12:39 AM  

nswhorse wrote:You talk as if it's a simple thing to just flick the switch and kill millions of Americans (and "Americans") in order to save America, or salvage something from what was once America.

Trump has had two years in the Oval Office to get ready.

NO GOOGLES wrote:I like Trump and I support him. But the current system is beyond saving.

That's the problem I see: Trump wants to preserve the current system, not destroy it. That's why he's not pardoning people who clash with antifa: street brawlers threaten his precious system.

The patient has gangrene, and the doctor won't amputate. The patient dies.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey January 09, 2019 12:55 AM  

My advice, FWIW, is to chill out and come back in a couple days.

It happens, humans are not Vulcans. Ecco Homo!

Blogger Steampunk Koala January 09, 2019 1:21 AM  

FWIW, I watched a southbound train today that was carrying around 40 tanks and a bunch of military crane vehicles and various support vehicles. Wife says it's the second one she's seen inside a week. We live not too far from the I-35 corridor in northern Oklahoma. Very interesting.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 1:42 AM  

This just in:

Fat, Purple--and-Green-Haired Women Wearing Problem Glasses threaten to NEVER sleep with Trump if he doesn't shut up with the "Wall" talk.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 1:51 AM  

@25

"and Pelosi looks drugged"

When does that witch NOT loook like a drugged out bint?

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 1:57 AM  

@37

"Lindsey Graham is shilling for legalizing DACA kids. Smh"

Now you know why Grahamnesty is Grahamnesty.

Fortunately, it doesn't matter. Trump poisoned, shot, chopped and woodchippeered DACA last year.

Blogger Obama's boyfriend January 09, 2019 2:01 AM  

I found Trump's speech scripted and carefully organized for maximum impact and the clear statement of purpose.

I found Schumer and Pelosi's responses to be akin to the rantings of a couple of food stamp owners being informed that their food stamps were counterfeit. What was most remarkable was that they never mentioned American welfare only those of foreigners. In contrast to Trump they acted like newly elected Democrats of the Congress.

It appears that the demorats will test the sewer level with each and every public appearance.

It was remarkable for how offensive it was. The Demorats would beneft from a frontal lobotomy and a long stay in Venezuela.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 2:03 AM  

@40

"I was a bit surprised Trump didn't declare an emergency, but this is probably a necessary first step. "

Baby steps. Psychological preparation of the battlefield.


You've got to prepare the cucks for the fact that change IS coming -- so that they can get their minds around the fact that siding with Trump will be siding with the winner.

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Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 2:07 AM  

@44


"I do not understand why he is giving them so many chances before declaring an emergency. "

Because then he can say this:

"I gave them EVERY OPPORTUNITY to come to an agreement of some sort and make a deal... and THEY rejected it."

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 2:25 AM  

@69

"There are not, and never have been, 60K sealed indictments..."

Have you ever even LOOKED at the PACER website (where the DOJ tracks outstanding sealed indictments, among other things).

Hell, just the Western District of Michigan has more outstanding sealed indictments than what is typical for the entire country.

Blogger The Rev January 09, 2019 2:36 AM  

1). Say there's an emergency.
2). Everyone argues if there's an emergency and how big it is.
3). The public now views the border as an emergency.
4). Either the Dems cave or you can get away with declaring a State of Emergency.

Sounds good to me.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 2:43 AM  

@95

"FWIW, I watched a southbound train today that was carrying around 40 tanks and a bunch of military crane vehicles and various support vehicles."

That sounds like combat engineers.
The have two primary jobs:

1: Destroying fortifications used by enemy personnel
2: Creating fortifications fused by friendly personne.

Combat Engineers being involved is a good thing. There's a reason the most advanced forts -- the ones that are acres in size and which were built before black powder gave way to smokeless powder (e.g. Metz) were all built as giant star-shaped objects -- the projections allowed for shooters to protect the base of the main wall, and the shooters on the main wall can protect the base of the projections.

Combat engineers are taught this sort of stuff to know it inside out in the way that the civllian population (wrongly) wrongly thinks that the ultimate castle or fort has round "turret" towers in the corners.

Blogger John D Alden January 09, 2019 3:12 AM  

I wouldn't get excited about the occasional train of southbound armor. Fort Bliss and Fort Hood are both home to large armor/cav units and Bliss has enormous training areas adjacent. Other units do ship their crap there for training exercises regularly.

If someone can say they've seen dozens of trains, that's more interesting.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 3:40 AM  

@104

[Steps 1 through 4 deleted for brevity]

Exactly.

Fpr those of you who are still impatient, look, anyone who has studied and successfully uses hypnosis, or other highly effective forms of communication understand this:

Communication is just like baking a cake.

You HAVE to prepare the ingredients, and you have to do so IN THE CORRECT ORDER.

If I:
1) Preheat the oven in my kitchen to 350 degrees F (175 C)

2) Gather up and measure out the following ingredients:
- 4 large chicken eggs
- 1 cup (i.e. two 1/4-pound sticks) butter
- 2 cups white sugar
- 2 teaspoons baking powder
- 1 cup milk
- 1 teaspoon vanilla extract

3) put them all into a 10 inch x 20 inch pan, or one with roughly similar surface area (200 square inches / 1290 cm^2).

4) put the baking pan in the oven

5) bake it for 35 minutes

5) take the baking pan out of the oven

6) let the baking pan & contents cool approx 30 min.

7) Frost from one end to the other with a buttercream frosting

8) beat 1/2 of the sugar...hmmm.. That brown goo looks like the sugar... there, that's about 1/2 of it... and the butter... where did those 2 sticks of butter go?... ah, it's not THAT important is it... and beat with an electric mixer in the mixing bowl

9) removed the 4 eggs from the baking pan

10) separate the egg whites from the egg yolks...I guess I can peel the egg white off of the yolks, like with a boiled egg. Hmm, kinda dry and extra rubbery....

11) beat the (baked) egg yolks with... the butter mixture...er... sugar goo... damn, I still can't figure out where those 2 sticks of butter went!

12) Sifted in the flour and baking soda, then alternately adding with the milk ... hmm, where is the milk??? Maybe it's in this chunk of flout that's all stuck together.... and beat well.

13) Add the vanilla... that seams to have... damnit, there's a damned THIEF living in my oven!

14) In a separate bowl, beat the (baked) egg whites until stiff but not dry...hey, what do you know, they're stiff before i even started....but they are kind of dry.

15) Add the other half of the sugar...err brown goo, to the egg whites

16) fold the egg white/sugar (ahem, brown goo) into the batter in the other bowl

17) Let sit for 2 minutes (120 seconds)

18) Using a knife, portion out as desired, and serve.

Upon completion of the above tasks, would I have:

a) delicious caek

b) an interesting concoction which my dog will think is just yummy!

C) A GODAWFUL MESS BECAUSE I WAS TOO IMPATIENT TO DO THINGS IN THE ORDER REQUIRED TO GET THE DESIRED RESULT, AND INSTEAD, DECIDED TO SKIP TO THE LAST COUPLE OF STEPS AFTER ONLY THE 2nd STEP.... CAUSING: A WASTE OF TIME & A WASTE OF RESOURCES.

Blogger bobby January 09, 2019 3:50 AM  

95. Steampunk Koala January 09, 2019 1:21 AM

"FWIW, I watched a southbound train today that was carrying around 40 tanks . . . not too far from the I-35 corridor in northern Oklahoma."


They're returning from the Minnesota deer season. Ever since that power plant "incident", our deer have been getting bigger and meaner every year. Light tanks are the best way to get them now.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 4:23 AM  

Good one, Bobby.

Blogger JMS January 09, 2019 4:59 AM  

1.) Schumer & Pelosi came across as un-telegenic and dare one say, Nixonian. Don't the Democrats have someone better to do the rebuttal?

2.) The question Democrats do not want to answer: If Trump is so in the wrong, then over-ridding his potential veto to re-open the government should be easily accomplished, right?

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 5:13 AM  

@110

"Schumer & Pelosi came across as un-telegenic and dare one say, Nixonian. Don't the Democrats have someone better to do the rebuttal?"

You don't understand. The Democrat's model of government (and therefore, of their party) is Autocratic Tyranny. So, who would DARE suggest that their Prince of the Senate or their Queen of the House should step down and let some groveling underling hog the spotlight.... beneficial appearances and effectiveness be damned.

Especially Pelosi. That Gavel is her idol. Remember the last time she became speaker, and she had one custom made for her that was so large (for her) that she could only lift it if the used both hands and arms? Would such a vain (and inane, and insane) woman EVER step away from a camera to let one of the party hoi polloi talk instead? Don't be crazy! Vanity woman DEMANDS that she have camera time. Hell, she's probably the very reason that there was a "Democratic Response" segment to begin with ... "How dare Trump address the people without moi having a chance to speak, too." And then Shmuckie Choomer couldn't let that the crazy old bat get on TV all by herself, completely unscripted (so, OFF SCRIPT from word one!) -- that's just national suicide for the party.

Even though it was ugly in appearance, it's a beautiful thing for the political health of our country that those two just fired a torpedo at the SS Border Wall, which immediately developed a jammed gear and is now circular running, but still hot. And as these sorts of things turn out, they won't have enough time to dive and avoid their own malfunctioning weapon. Poetic Justice.

Those two feebs will convince all the fence sitters that no matter WHO runs against Trump, that person cannot be allowed in the White House with Nancy as House Majority Leader, and possibly Schmuckie as Senate Majority Leader.

It was a very good night for REAL America.

Blogger Rick January 09, 2019 5:24 AM  

2 questions:

1) How many $ have we “saved” each day the govt has been shut down

2) when did that number pass $5b

Blogger DJT January 09, 2019 5:29 AM  

The Hillary Archipelago, the judiciary, the SES and all of DC are in open rebellion against the president.

Which is why he must declare an insurrection, not a state of emergency.

The constitution charges him to "take care that the laws are executed." That is not happening. He has the power to put down a rebellion.

But I no longer expect he will go that far. I think we projected too much of our hopes onto him, just like the far left did with Obama.

Trump won't be the silver bullet. But he has paved the way for mainstreaming our views, just as Obama made AOC mainstream.

Blogger Rick January 09, 2019 5:31 AM  

Check my math based on 30% of govt shutdown:

Answer: the Wall was paid for + an additional $50b saved.

Blogger DJT January 09, 2019 5:37 AM  

Chuck and Nancy looked flustered. They were planning to respond to an emergency declaration, but that didn't happen. It looked like an SNL cold open.

Also, it was bad optics to give a response to an Oval Office address. When the president speaks from his desk, he is speaking as the head of state on a serious matter. It's not a time to immediately call him a liar.

Blogger Felix Bellator January 09, 2019 6:13 AM  

Trump is holding off declaring a national emergency until Ginsberg's body shows enough freezer burn so we are spared the open casket funeral.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 6:37 AM  

Freeze Dried RBG!

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 09, 2019 6:52 AM  

If there is a national emergency then why delay?

Blogger Random #57 January 09, 2019 7:16 AM  

@26 Crush Limbraw:

This might be appropriate for the mindset of America today - mostly emotional - but what was unsaid?
Anericans are being replaced!
So said James Kilpatrick and he is 100% right!


Trump is a civ-nat, he doesn't think that way, see for example his eagerness to increase the number of foreigners staying who graduate from US colleges with STEM degrees.

And it doesn't matter for the purposes of building a wall.

That Trump is in such a total existential fight with 99% of our ruling class on simply stopping the flood of illegal aliens means we're a very long way from stopping the current flood of 1 million annual legal immigrants, aside from the refugee program he's curtailing.

Unless the intransigence of the ruling class about the illegal alien invasion is so strong he can't build the Wall without implementing the Q style Storm, I don't see him doing anything more than nudging the nation towards the greater goal.

As for "wall" vs. "fence", nobody worth caring about is going to look at a 30 foot high "fence" made of thick steel slats that allow the enforcers on this side to see what's coming, topped with smooth concrete with a half circle at the top to make grappling hooks ineffective, and say "that's not really a wall" or effective border passive defense. Don't be pedantic on this minor detail, it's just at intolerable for our ruling class as a "real wall" "made out of 4th Century concrete".

Blogger chronoblip January 09, 2019 7:31 AM  

"There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others." - Machiavelli

"The best is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire, quoting an Italian proverb.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - Patton

I certainly appreciate the time afforded for folks like me, who were still complete morons in 2015, to start down the path of recovery, but for all you folks who started down that path much earlier, or never fell for the lies to begin with, has the delay in action to recruit people like me, really been worth it?

How many more folks can really be set free from their ideological chains, and will they make enough of a difference to justify having delayed implementing permanent solutions in a more timely fashion?

Would kinetic actions have converted them just as effectively, and prevented our enemies from having more time to entrench, prepare, regroup, and place new traps and snares?

Or is this just one of those grey areas where there really aren't any good answers, and only time will tell what actions were truly wise or foolish?

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 09, 2019 8:11 AM  

Wake us up when

I hate this phrase so much. When he does the next right thing and those of us who stood by him are proved right, why the fuck would we wake up the whiners and naysayers and concern trolls so they can join the victory party? Screw them. The day after the party, they'll just be right back to bitching about the next thing anyway.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 09, 2019 8:20 AM  

There are supposed to be 60,000 sealed indictments.

Trump never told you there were *any* sealed indictments. So now you're complaining that he hasn't produced something he never promised, that may be no more than a 4chan meme that got out of hand. Next you'll complain that he hasn't made anime real.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 8:21 AM  

chronoblip wrote:How many more folks can really be set free from their ideological chains, and will they make enough of a difference to justify having delayed implementing permanent solutions in a more timely fashion?

I think the Right and Left are pretty well defined right now. The great gray middle hasn't chosen sides because they aren't going to. The middle isn't undecided, they're just waiting to see who is going to have the guts to actually win. They'll go along with the winner no matter what.

Waking the normies is a catagory error, because the normies aren't asleep, they're uninterested. You can't make them interested. They're just going to bow down to the winner, and they don't really care who that is. They know they aren't going to be winners, ever.

So, buying time for folks to prepare is good, maybe, but we aren't going to win the masses except by winning.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 8:35 AM  

@122

"Trump never told you there were *any* sealed indictments. So now you're complaining that he hasn't produced something he never promised, that may be no more than a 4chan meme that got out of hand. Next you'll complain that he hasn't made anime real."

Those indictments do exist. They show up on the PACER website.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 8:39 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:Trump never told you there were *any* sealed indictments. So now you're complaining that he hasn't produced something he never promised, that may be no more than a 4chan meme that got out of hand. Next you'll complain that he hasn't made anime real.

Not at all: I'm saying that Trump hasn't even made a few token prosecutions of his enemies to hearten his base and dismay his enemies. That tells us he's not interested in his base, or that our enemies aren't his enemies.

He could have done a high-profile investigation of Brenda Snipes, and used it to perp-walk her and to threaten some of the people who appointed her. There are thousands of examples of low-hanging fruit like that, and his justice department has picked none of them. Either he is unwilling to act, or unable to act. Either way, he won't actually hit our enemies.

He's done so much good, but left so much more undone. It goes back to what I said earlier: Trump is trying to restore the empire to the state it was in when he was a young fellow. He's not about to do anything which might bring it down, like expose election fraud and jail corrupt public officials.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 8:41 AM  

@125

"
Waking the normies is a catagory error, because the normies aren't asleep, they're uninterested. You can't make them interested. They're just going to bow down to the winner, and they don't really care who that is. They know they aren't going to be winners, ever.

So, buying time for folks to prepare is good, maybe, but we aren't going to win the masses except by winning."

Less than 5% of the population participated in the American War for Independence in ANY manner. And those who actually carried arms, as either a Continental soldier, or state militia was less than 2%. And some number under 1% joined the British Regulars, or carried arms in "Loyalist" militia.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 9:07 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:When he does the next right thing and those of us who stood by him are proved right, ...

I'm tired of standing by him while he sits around. He's trying to mask the stench of gangrene, and the patient needs an amputation. He just isn't willing to go there, isn't willing to do what it takes, doesn't like what winning will bring.

There are 60,000 sealed indictments. Could it be that Sessions left because it was Trump who didn't want to take action on them?

Blogger Crew January 09, 2019 9:26 AM  

Whoa. Rosenstein to leave the DoJ?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/report-deputy-ag-rod-rosenstein-to-leave-doj-once-new-attorney-general-confirmed?utm_source=american-truth_org

Trump is truly draining the swamp.

Blogger Crew January 09, 2019 9:27 AM  

I'm tired of standing by him while he sits around.

Can I suggest you take two aspirin and have a lie down?

Blogger Tino January 09, 2019 9:31 AM  

@128 Unfortunately his replacement will be Deep State as well...

Blogger Rick January 09, 2019 9:57 AM  

Hillary will never be President.

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 9:57 AM  

@10 "Doesn't sound like he's declaring a state of emergency"

Doesn't need to -- we're already THERE!

"...
Since that first order in 1979, American presidents have declared 58 national emergencies. According to the Brennan Center's running count, 31 of these are still in effect... In other words, the country has been in some state of emergency for almost four decades.

These 58 national emergencies include declarations over dealings with Yemen, Syria, and North Korea, among others; sanctions against an array of terrorist groups, including one after 9/11; and various orders concerning nuclear weapons, diamonds imported from Sierra Leone, and the 2009 swine flu epidemic. Most recently, George W. Bush declared 13 and Barack Obama 12, most of which are still in effect, according to CNN.
..."
https://psmag.com/news/the-united-states-states-of-emergencies

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 10:07 AM  

@49 "Disgusted with the waffling. Its not a fence, its a WALL."

I saw some idiot comment that "the drug smugglers can just pass their product through between the slats" ... Yeah right -- a thousand pounds of drugs passed in one-pound baggies?! How long do you think that would take -- and do you suppose the Border Patrol would see the couple of trucks approaching needed to CARRY all those baggies to be handed through the 'fence'?

And do you not get that 'fence' is (great)rhetoric, and you're objecting to a change from one style of rhetoric ("wall") to another style of rhetoric? Out of all those lovely wall samples built a looooong two years ago: the Border Patrol guys wanted a big beautiful "wall" with the metal slats for the first 20 feet! NOT solid concrete -- but slats, so they can SEE through to the other side and know what's coming.

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 10:12 AM  

@53 "He's owned the news cycles for the next week, at least."


I'm keeping an eye aslant for "when will they best need to use RBG's 'death' to blind the public to the real news"? Just like HW "died" at the exact time needed to blow Comey's 'testimony ("can't remember, don't know, forgot, forget...") out of the "news."

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 10:21 AM  

@78 "He doesn't seem like the man to amputate the gangrene to save the patient."

"You're fired!" And his shifting around his cabinet? Chucking Mattis before Mattis' 'desired' end date? He's a doctor who is trying to stop the mass bleeding from the OTHER leg, before trying to amputate the gangrenous one! You have to keep the patient ALIVE while you plan the longer-term treatment!

And, of course, I'm madly frustrated at all the God Emperor's successes (and there are literally hundreds of them!) because the biggest ones, the ones necessary to save 'the patient,' are not yet on the PUBLIC operating schedule -- but he's the doctor, and he surely knows ALL the procedures necessary to save our patient... (Yes, I'm ALSO trying to persuade myself! Clinging to hope... because the alternative is horrific -- so I'm also preparing for the alternative with ammo, food and water!)

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 10:24 AM  

@90 "Trump can do a lot more than that. He can escalate the political & social tension and get the Dems to overcommit. He can keep the government disabled. He can demilitarize our imperial colonies. He can send the military to occupy the border."

"Can"?! He "can"?! What is this "can" you refer to?

Trump HAS DONE a lot more than that. He HAS escalated the political & social tension and HAS GOTTEN the Dems to overcommit. He HAS disabled the government. He HAS sent the military to occupy the border.

FIFY.

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 10:26 AM  

Don't call 'game over' in the middle of his turn! Don't say 'the movie' has ended' when it's merely the rising tension in the plot. Can you not HEAR the ominous music rising in volume and "effect' under the darkness?!

Blogger Random #57 January 09, 2019 10:35 AM  

@136 Avalanche:

He HAS sent the military to occupy the border.

Let's not overstate reality, for a short period of time he sent some military to the boarder to erect some number of miles of concertina razor wire. "Occupying" the boarder to me means sending full division equivalents with arming orders. Which based on prior experience with the Marines will get some number of sympathetic innocents killed, which I don't think the nation is ready for.

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 10:36 AM  

@93 "Trump wants to preserve the current system, not destroy it."

We're back to the doctor: the doctor does NOT say to the patient's "family": I can make your relative all better, just like new, healthy and complete....

(Metaphorically,) The God Emperor is saying: this is a serious illness and possibly a deadly illness... I'm trying to bring the patient up to ENOUGH health so that I can do the surgery to stop the bleeding. While I'm doing that, I'm also trying to remove the parasites and infections that are blocking his immune system. I'm ALSO trying to drive out of his room the murderers (love this! "Nattering Nan and Chuck-You Schumer") who keep poking the patient full of more holes, more parasites, more disease, more infections, so I CAN try to save his life!

Our Respected Doctor has not even come CLOSE to mentioning he IS going to have to amputate that gangrenous leg.... because otherwise the patient WILL die! All those relatives? The MPAI? The normies, the evangelicucks, the RINOs, the paperwork Americans?

IF our Respected Doctor does NOT mollify them, mislead them if necessary, educate them if possible (ha.) -- then they WILL storm the room and take the patient to their witch doctor!

Our God Emperor has been dancing a dangerous and complicated (and brilliant!) sword dance on a moving sword wielded by his (and our) enemies; and some here are whining that he's not ALSO forging the "right" sword AS he dances?! Spare him your carping and support him actively and publicly!!


Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 10:49 AM  

@138 "for a short period of time he sent some military to the boarder"

So (to further mangle my metaphor), he brought in a pulmonologist to make a temporary 'fix' to keep the patient breathing (i.e. ALIVE!) ... and you're taking shots because he hasn't yet started the surgery you hope will return the patient to full health?

Maybe it's my medical background, but triage is FRUSTRATING! You cannot do everything you need to do all in one easy step or sometimes even in ten complicated steps! You have to ID and sort -- and then CHOOSE -- what can effectively be done to stabilize the patient, and what you'll blow off cause it's lower on the triage list.

I used to say: I LOVE ambulance work -- because I do really important stuff 'saving' people -- and then I DUMPED THEM on the nurses and doctors in the ER. (You couldn't PAY me enough to do that work!!) *I* didn't have to help the person (whom I just 'dumped' on the hospital staff and left) adjust to: "OMG, I have to go on in my life without my arm?!?!" I could sweep into the accident scene; 'act like god' (ONLY because I know what was necessary to keep the patient alive!); get rewarded by the 'awe' of the watchers (or my own self-importance, could be either...); and then I WAS DONE with that human being!

But many times, there are two kinds of choices -- bad ones and WORSE ones! President Trump is getting whacked by some of his supporters because he's taking the less-bad choice, instead of the perfect choice...

Maybe you need a medical background to understand how triage actually works. And yeah, it's madly frustrating!

Blogger Random #57 January 09, 2019 10:57 AM  

@140 Avalanche:

@138 "for a short period of time he sent some military to the boarder"

So (to further mangle my metaphor), he brought in a pulmonologist to make a temporary 'fix' to keep the patient breathing (i.e. ALIVE!) ... and you're taking shots because he hasn't yet started the surgery you hope will return the patient to full health?


While I don't view it as "taking a shot", the shot was at you for describing this as "He HAS sent the military to occupy the border." Sorry I wasn't clear enough when I started my reply by saying "Let's not overstate reality" just before the snippet you quoted.

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 11:24 AM  

@125 "He could have done a high-profile investigation of Brenda Snipes, and used it to perp-walk her and to threaten some of the people who appointed her. There are thousands of examples of low-hanging fruit like that..."

Have to disagree. I started out his presidency saying: "He can DELEGATE! He can do ALL the stuff he promised by handing out work assignments!" One of the first things he tried was blocking moslem entry -- and a liberal-lying court shot that down. He COULD NOT fight that openly, because the Supremes were still all enemy. ("Ay, ay, a scratch, a scratch. Marry, ’tis enough. ... No, 'tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church-door, but 'tis enough, 'twill serve.")

*IF* President Trump sent a delegate (oh god, Sleepy SESSIONS?!) to FLA to interfere in an election, trying to put that Snipes PoS in jail (or at LEAST out of office) and then the lib courts start in and the riots and the MSM whipping up fury in the MPAI....

'Suddenly' the God Emperor has a HUGE "CF" on his hands that takes HIS time, because so many of HIS delegates were also against him -- and for what? "Winning" in FLA on a single election (which at least WAS on the MSM so the normies could see) -- while the patient is dying!?

We're so desperate for SOME success, and the media is hiding a TON of his successes, that we're grasping for just a LITTLE bit of news! (And I, too, wish he'd step in in so MANY of the illicit court bnttles our side keeps losing.... Bike Lock FAG?!?! Beyond infuriating! SEVEN lock-attacks, ON video, all wiped clean!!? I grimly acknowledge he can't.)

Here's news: The patient is STILL alive -- still dying; still bleeding AND gangrenous; still filled with parasites; and the room filled with the murderers; and he still may not make it -- but at the MOMENT... (So, we're back to triage again.)

If the medical metaphor doesn't work for you; try a MILITARY one! It's war. There are several HUGE battle on right now /these past two years to get 'us' into position for the bigger battles approaching; and some folks here are whining because that bad guy over there wasn't brought to Captain's Mast and fined. Trust the semi-visible battle plan, if not Q's "the plan"...

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 11:36 AM  

@141 "While I don't view it as "taking a shot", the shot was at you for describing this as "He HAS sent the military to occupy the border." Sorry I wasn't clear enough when I started my reply by saying "Let's not overstate reality" just before the snippet you quoted."

You're right, sorry -- I'm just WAY-old, and I remember when the mere THOUGHT of sending ANY military to protect our border (even if just by holding the BP's coats!) would about-cause an armed uprising in some states!

"Conservatives" (who conserve nothing) would be screaming about posse comitatus and impeach! The idiot-libs (of which, I'm pained to admit, I WERE one...) would be screaming about evil bad violence against our neighbors. President Trump didn't just mention it -- he DID it! He actually SENT military TO the border! Talk about a brave new world or a new paradigm or ... you know ... even using the military for their FIRST purpose!!

He sent 8,000 soldiers TO the United States' border!?! I'm in Wonderland! It's Narnia! I must be DREAMING! (And it's a GREAT dream!)

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 09, 2019 11:37 AM  

If there is a national emergency then why delay?

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 09, 2019 11:37 AM  

If there is a national emergency then why delay?

Blogger camcleat January 09, 2019 11:40 AM  

@138

" Which based on prior experience with the Marines will get some number of sympathetic innocents killed,"


What innocents are you talking about? Those reportedly among the invaders?

Invaders are not innocent.

"which I don't think the nation is ready for."

Speak only for yourself. You don't have the first clue what this NATION is ready for at this point. You are projecting what YOU are or are not ready for.

If you want a clue, take a look at the recent H1B thread here from earlier this week. As more and more members of our nation gutted by the present broken systems, fewer and fewer are going to care what happens to anyone except their own families.

Blogger Avalanche January 09, 2019 11:41 AM  

@145 "If there is a national emergency then why delay?"

Prevent the inevitable rioting? IF the damnedDems finally cave, and he can start building the wall OPENLY, that will give up yet a bit more time to keep trying to open the swamp valves and let the sludge start of flow out!

Juggling act. (Yet another metaphor, sorry.) If he adds to many revving chainsaws and burning swords to his circle, it might end up even more badly!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 11:52 AM  

Random #57 wrote:Which based on prior experience with the Marines will get some number of sympathetic innocents killed, which I don't think the nation is ready for.

I think we're back to that category error. Everyone in the nation has either decided which side they are on, or have decided they aren't going to decide. Killing sympathetic innocents isn't going to change anyone's mind. Showing the undecided who is the strong horse, who is the definite winner, is going to change everyone's mind. Killing sympathetic innocents won't hurt the cause. Apologizing for it afterwards will.

Optics matter, but not the way you imply. We have to encourage those who are actually on our side, we have to terrify those who are on the other side, and we have to show strength and resolve to the deliberately undecided, who are going to follow the winner, no matter who wins.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 12:03 PM  

Avalanche, Trump's desired outcome is not our desired outcome. Trump doesn't want to drain the swamp, Trump wants to bring back the kinder, gentler swamp of the '60s. Trump doesn't want to preserve the American nation, Trump wants to preserve a rump of the empire for all ``Americans,'' including those who are born in Squatemala or India or Somalia and just haven't made it here yet.

Yes, Trump is doing great things, because there is much overlap between what he wants and what the Right wants. He has been uniquely, miraculously effective. No, civnat boomer Trump is not of the Right, and his victory conditions are not ours. He isn't going to do all that must be done, not because the normies aren't ready for it, but because he's not ready for it.

Trump is doing great things, but we mustn't fool ourselves: he cannot save the nation, in part because he doesn't even want to.

Blogger Random #57 January 09, 2019 12:04 PM  

@146 camcleat:

@138

"Which based on prior experience with the Marines will get some number of sympathetic innocents killed,"

What innocents are you talking about?


One Esequiel Hernandez Jr., US citizen on this side of the border, who 20 minutes after shooting his .22 likely in target practice, Marines on an anti-drug operation followed and shot him from behind at a range estimated to be no less than 375 yards on May 20, 1997. Oh, and the team's medic didn't give him first aid, he bled to death.

Clinton Administration, so it was all quickly swept under the rug, no sleep lost over Feds murdering yet another gunowner, but if we ignore the World Police GWOT experience some of our men in uniform have gotten, the same sorts of murders will happen if we sent troops to the border with serious arming orders. Maybe you don't live on the border so you don't have to personally worry about such events, but....

Blogger OneWingedShark January 09, 2019 12:29 PM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:Ominous Cowherd wrote:Come 2020, we need to elect someone who can follow words with actions. Trump, show us some action!
Nigga, he's literally shut down the government until they give up and let him get to business in addition to all the other things he's accomplished. Shut up. For once in your miserable, filthy mongrel existence, shut up. Man, it really is like Vox said: the time preference of children. I hope generation zyklon doesn't have this whole 'microwave generation' issue that the boomers foisted on everyone else including themselves.

No, I think Ominous Cowherd has a point: there are things Trump could do right now completely independent of securing approval from other branches, from issuing warrants for the subversion and insurrection that are "sanctuary cities", to using existing law allowing civilian apprehension of foreign invaders, to cracking down hard on vote-fraud.

nswhorse wrote:If Trump cannot do what hehas promised because there are simply too many traitors and the forces of evil are too strongly entrenched, then you can forget electing someone better. The only through will be war.
I think the best way to start rooting out traitors is to do something that will make them knee-jerk into openly committing Treason -- they've gotten away with it for so long, and been considered untouchable, that they'll only experience unbelief until the noose tightens `round their necks.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:@76, I think that what's holding Trump back is not that evil is too deeply entrenched, but that confronting it adequately will mean damaging the system. He doesn't seem like the man to amputate the gangrene to save the patient.
That's one of the infuriating things: he doesn't have to "damage the system" at all, there's more than enough tools to root out the traitors and corrupt... the problem is that it requires a bit of "viciousness" -- and that will be perceived as damaging the system. -- Take, for example, if he were to completely authorize weapons-free on the new "migrant caravan" bombastically getting footage of A-10s and M-109s letting loose on the invaders, releasing that footage to the MSM, and waiting for the inevitable articles of impeachment, then as those articles would be precisely because of upholding A4S4 he could arrest all the 'aye' voters for A3S3 Treason (aid and comfort to the enemy), and after convicting executing them… and none of that is illegal or illegitimate. I mean, sure, some states would have to hold special elections to replace Representatives, but that's all working within he system.

Blogger camcleat January 09, 2019 12:33 PM  

@150

"Esequiel Hernandez"

Hmmmmmmm.

Anyway, what I see in your post is a lot of speculation and hand wringing.

Our need to close the border >>>>> your fantastical speculations of Bad Things Might Happen.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 12:51 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:... and after convicting executing them… and none of that is illegal or illegitimate. I mean, sure, some states would have to hold special elections to replace Representatives, but that's all working within he system.

I agree that he could go a long way toward bringing back the Republic by working within the confines of the system. I have become convinced that's just not what he wants. I think he's trying to bring back the United States he experienced in his twenties, when an intelligent man could believe the civnat lies, and could believe the Left were loyal Americans.

Drastic action like a constitutionally appropriate response to treason masquerading as impeachment would change everything, and Trump doesn't seem to want to be remembered as the man who ushered in great changes. MAGA seems to boil down to rolling back the excesses of the Left, just enough to make them tolerable.

I keep looking at the dogs that aren't barking. I see so many opportunities to hammer the Left that are being ignored. I'm deeply grateful for the things that are being done, but seeing what he's not doing suggests that he's deliberately trying to do much less than is needed to actually defeat the Left and save our nation.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 1:28 PM  

@145

"If there is a national emergency then why delay?"

Because the normies need time to hear it, process the concept, accept it, and become ready for the next step(s). Wait a couple of days.

Blogger Random #57 January 09, 2019 1:34 PM  

@152 camcleat:

@150

"Esequiel Hernandez"

Hmmmmmmm.

Anyway, what I see in your post is a lot of speculation and hand wringing.

Our need to close the border >>>>> your fantastical speculations of Bad Things Might Happen.


"Speculation"? Esequiel Hernandez really was killed that day in 1997 by a team of US Marines, and the activist gun community followed it in great detail, for as far as we could put together he was just another gunowner murdered by the Feds, swept under the rug like Ruby Ridge and Waco, no one held to account.

Very little speculation required to realize that if you put tens of thousands of troops with suitable arming orders on the violent US border the same sort of thing could happen again. Maybe it won't happen, I can't say it will certainly happen, but that's a bad bet to take in politics.

Blogger JMS January 09, 2019 1:44 PM  

Ah! The fake News says that Trump is a narcissist to boot! Physician heal thy-self!

Blogger camcleat January 09, 2019 1:59 PM  

@155

""Speculation"? Esequiel Hernandez really was killed that day in 1997"

Reading comprehension fail.

You are speculating about the future if troops are placed on the border.

You pulled one incident from 21 years ago, one that you don't even have all the facts for - see the part where you said "likely in target practice" so that you are even guessing about the case you cited - and extrapolate that to mean Trump should not send troops to the border now on the chance some "innocents" might get hurt. Yeah, this bit: "the same thing could happen again" {emphasis added}

You've confirmed what I've thought about you for quite some time, so thanks for that.

So, to repeat: closing the border >>>>>> your feels about what might happen if we try to do so. I don't think for a second you'll get it this time either.

Blogger Random #57 January 09, 2019 2:24 PM  

@157 camcleat:

@155

""Speculation"? Esequiel Hernandez really was killed that day in 1997"

Reading comprehension fail.

You are speculating about the future if troops are placed on the border.

You pulled one incident from 21 years ago, one that you don't even have all the facts for - see the part where you said "likely in target practice" so that you are even guessing about the case you cited


We have to guess, for the Marines who shot him made very sure he wouldn't be able to testify against them.

and extrapolate that to mean Trump should not send troops to the border now on the chance some "innocents" might get hurt.

Here's what I actually said:

"Occupying" the boarder to me means sending full division equivalents with arming orders. Which based on prior experience with the Marines will get some number of sympathetic innocents killed, which I don't think the nation is ready for.

Maybe I'm wrong, and if the Left gets a chance to wave a bloody shirt the nation will double down on sealing the border and there will be a Trumpslide in 2020. There's certainly some chance of that, a lot of us are waiting ever less patiently for decisive action, but at the very least people should think this through and be prepared for such events if every one of these speculative items comes to pass ... starting with the pretty unlikely possibility he'll recall a great deal of our ground forces from abroad and invest the border.

It's likely more probable that if Trump fails to get a real handle on the border, and for example more caravans are sent with some of them getting through, he'll lose in 2020.

Yeah, this bit: "the same thing could happen again" {emphasis added}

You've confirmed what I've thought about you for quite some time, so thanks for that.


Insert VD's "quantum of damn" quote here.

So, to repeat: closing the border >>>>>> your feels about what might happen if we try to do so. I don't think for a second you'll get it this time either.

My political calculations about how these options might play out. You'd do better responding to my actual words than the strawman you're attempting to pass off.

Blogger camcleat January 09, 2019 2:46 PM  

@158

"if the Left gets a chance to wave a bloody shirt"

We get it. Concern Troll is concerned.

The "left" is going to wave bloody shirts no matter what. They tried like the dickens to do so when the caravan was fired on with non-lethals.

They'll even create the bloody shirts to wave if they have to. Why are you continuing to let them set the narrative? Feels about "optics" or whatever?

If Trump sends the military to the border this week, the nation will back him. The "left" will hype their side and concern trolls, black pillers and cuckservatives will wring their hands.

Same crap, different day.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 3:18 PM  

@156

"Very little speculation required to realize that if you put tens of thousands of troops with suitable arming orders on the violent US border the same sort of thing could happen again. Maybe it won't happen, I can't say it will certainly happen, but that's a bad bet to take in politics."

So what?

NOBODY needs to be roaming around aimlessly on the border.

And, by the way, target shooting ACROSS THE BORDER can provoke HUGE international incidents if anybody gets hurt by bullets which continue downrange.

Anyone target shooting right next to the border is just asking for a bad day. It might be LEGAL to proceed through a ghetto flashing a huge wad of cash, in a wheelchair, ... but it is likewise inviting a bad end result dealt by people who are going to react to your legal behavior which is so provocative that it makes people's brain's shut down, and rationalize barbarity.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 3:36 PM  

@159

"Maybe I'm wrong, and if the Left gets a chance to wave a bloody shirt the nation will double down on sealing the border and there will be a Trumpslide in 2020. "

Look, idiot, vast swaths of the population realize that even a wall isn't going to stop this invasion UNTIL INVADERS START GETTING KILLED AT THE BORDER.

For a lot of the people crossing the southern border, even a U.S. immigration detention facility is better than living at home. They come from squalor, their IQ is substantially below the 100 mark for Americans, and criminal activity (as either victim, or just to survive) is a way of life for them. The ones who work on the sugar plantations, for example -- work with large, heavy-bladed knives. And shanking, or getting shanked by, a coworker in the local house of alcohol is a common occurrence.

To these people, even a U.S. federal detention facility is paradise.

Invaders crossing the border, and getting arrrested, and put up in a jail cell that's more comfortable than their mud-floored hut in Central America, or their floored, but ridiculously hot and humid, or alternatively dry & hot in the day/freezing at night home in Mexico, replaced by air conditioned/centrally heated room with 3 hots and a cot is not exactly a deterrent. To them, it's merely a "less than the best (Catholic Family Services lottery winner) possible outcome"

Even the wall will be nothing but an obstacle.. bit it's an IMPORTANT obstacle, because it sets a clear, unmistakable boundary. It's necessary because when it does fail to totally stem the flow, it can AND WILL justify the only measure which will stem the tide -- the consistent use of lethal force, and the pictures appearing on TV and in newspapers around the world. Especially in the lands of the Aztecs and Mayans, and everywhere in between.

Then, and ONLY then, will breaking into the U.S. no longer seem like a lark with a positive reward, and a potentially HUGE positive reward.

And then, maybe they'll start putting as much energy into overthrowing THEIR corrupt governments, rather than trying to change ours into the same sort of corrupt government that they have where they came from.

Blogger Random #57 January 09, 2019 3:37 PM  

@160 Dirk Manly:

@156

"Very little speculation required to realize that if you put tens of thousands of troops with suitable arming orders on the violent US border the same sort of thing could happen again. Maybe it won't happen, I can't say it will certainly happen, but that's a bad bet to take in politics."

So what?

NOBODY needs to be roaming around aimlessly on the border.


Not even those who live there, own land and all that?

Anyone target shooting right next to the border is just asking for a bad day.

TIL living 1 mile from the border in a thoroughly rural area means giving up your Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 3:38 PM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 3:41 PM  

@162

>> NOBODY needs to be roaming around aimlessly on the border.

> Not even those who live there, own land and all that?

Farming your field is not wandering around aimlessly.

Now, take your fake concern-troll concerns and shove them up your rectum, you traitorous SOB.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 3:50 PM  

@162

"TIL living 1 mile from the border in a thoroughly rural area means giving up your Right to Keep and Bear Arms."

BZZZZT! Wrong.

They give up the COMFORT of knowing that they can just take pot-shots with a firearm without notifying the very-much nearby law enforcement that they're about to do a little target practice out in the back forty.

Years ago, a bunch of us were recruited to form a private, armed (with rifles) border security force. It all fell apart when it was realized that shooting people in the dark by means of night scopes would bring armed helicopters, and probably significant casualties among ourselves, let alone legal hassles, so the whole thing got dropped.

Were we and our would-be spontors "sacrificing my right to keep and bear arms"... or were we dropping the idea because, in practical terms, it turned out to be more likely lethal to us than to actually stop the flow of invaders by even a trickle.

Blogger Random #57 January 09, 2019 3:58 PM  

@165 Dirk Manly:

Years ago, a bunch of us were recruited to form a private, armed (with rifles) border security force. It all fell apart when it was realized that shooting people in the dark by means of night scopes would bring armed helicopters, and probably significant casualties among ourselves, let alone legal hassles, so the whole thing got dropped.

It took you more than a second to realize that committing murder would get you into trouble?

Yeah, not going to trust your judgement on anything.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 09, 2019 4:00 PM  

camcleat wrote:The "left" is going to wave bloody shirts no matter what. They tried like the dickens to do so when the caravan was fired on with non-lethals.

They'll even create the bloody shirts to wave if they have to. Why are you continuing to let them set the narrative? Feels about "optics" or whatever?

If Trump sends the military to the border this week, the nation will back him. The "left" will hype their side and concern trolls, black pillers and cuckservatives will wring their hands.

This.
We know that there's going to be bloody shirts — manufactured or 'natural-causes' — and therefore we should not be concerned about how to avoid them, but rather how to have the best outcome. As I pointed out here, there's a lot that can be done proactively, rather than falling into the traps of either [learned] helplessness or the irresponsibility so prevalent among the elites. (e.g. Congress's "we can't do anything!"-mantra when the Judiciary is out of line, I mean they have the power to impeach and utterly abolish any federal court other than the Supreme Court and remove from the Supreme Court appellate jurisdiction for most cases.)

Dirk Manly wrote:And then, maybe they'll start putting as much energy into overthrowing THEIR corrupt governments, rather than trying to change ours into the same sort of corrupt government that they have where they came from.
I think you might have it backwards: the elite are importing them here to (a) normalize acceptance of, and (b) reinforce/fuel further corruption, all while (c) destroying the middle-class and thus its ability to be a threat.

Dirk Manly wrote:@145 "If there is a national emergency then why delay?"

Because the normies need time to hear it, process the concept, accept it, and become ready for the next step(s). Wait a couple of days.

Perhaps — Though I'd bet there's far more people who would accept/cheer "violence of action" as my DIs used to phrase it. The enormous popularity of Tucker Carlson's recent monologue against the elite shows, in part, how fed up Americans are.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 10, 2019 12:04 AM  

"It took you more than a second to realize that committing murder would get you into trouble?

Yeah, not going to trust your judgement on anything."

If on the night of 08 April, 1940, Norwegians started shooting large gatherings of Germans sneaking off of cargo ships in the middle of the night, would it have been murder?


Defending one's national borders from invasion is NEVER murder, REGARDLESS of what the Chamber of Commerce says, or how many Congressmen and Senators they bribe.

The person who recruited me was an Infantry / Mil Intel Colonel holding a commission in the U.S. Army. A commissioned officer is someone upon whom the Congress of the United States has placed "special trust and confidence in the patriotism, valor, fidelity and excellence" in defending the Constitution of the United States .. "from all enemies, foreign and domestic." far beyond what some over-aged hippy like yourself has ever been trusted, EVEN BY YOUR ALLIES SUCH AS PELOSI AND SCHUMER. Because even the drug-addled don't trust other druggies like you.

This sort of thing is not without precedence in American history--which is to say, military personnel being recruited to work for corporations which exist solely to do jobs that the government want done, but don't want the bureaucracy scrutinizing. The Flying Tigers are a perfect example. ALL of those personnel in the squadrons were directly out of the US Navy, Marine Corps, and Army Aviation, released from their contracts simultaneously with being hired by a company called Central Aircraft Manufacturing Company (CAMCO). A short time after the Doolittle Raid, American Uniformed personnel were finally sent to China, and the personnel were just as smoothly reintegrated back into the U.S. military as when they were quietly removed from it.

Even today, Erik Prince's company (formerly Blackwater Security, renamed Xe Services, now named Academi) performs both overseas AND DOMESTIC missions relating to national security, using military personnel, but which, usually for political, and sometimes financial reasons, the powers that be want those people working under a commercial sector contract, as oppose to being on Title X orders from the Department of Defense.

So, no, there was no reason to initially suspect that there could be any excessive danger from friendly forces.

It just turned out, that in this case, someone near the top hadn't put all of his ducks in a row.

And yes, mere trespassing can be ground for being attacked, without warning, with lethal force. If you don't believe me, I dare you to go out some night, and just scale the fence and roam around the grounds of your nearest nuclear power plant. Come back the next day, and tell us all how you were allowed to roam around freely, to your heart's content, without ANY, not even the slightest, threat that lethal force could and would be used against you.

I dare you, you dirty hippy.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 10, 2019 12:15 AM  

@167

"I think you might have it backwards: the elite are importing them here to (a) normalize acceptance of, and (b) reinforce/fuel further corruption, all while (c) destroying the middle-class and thus its ability to be a threat."

Yes -- of course. They are making life difficult for them, and letting the idea circulate (if not promoting it) that those who can't take the pressure can avail themselves to an escape valve known as the southern border of the United States of America.

The solution is for these people, who are obviously both desperate AND determined to take all of that desperation and determination, unite, and overthrow their own governments. Most of those countries soldiers come from these same small towns. They'll only kill their own relatives for only so long. And as these countries are extremely small, even if you're in a military unit raised from young men on one border, you most likely have relatives in the towns near the border on the other side of the country. The BEST these crooked governments can do is use rural units to put down uprisings in the capital city, and use units composed of privates from the capital city to put down insurrections out in the rural areas. And use both against any renegade bands in the ports.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 10, 2019 12:37 AM  

"Perhaps — Though I'd bet there's far more people who would accept/cheer "violence of action" as my DIs used to phrase it. The enormous popularity of Tucker Carlson's recent monologue against the elite shows, in part, how fed up Americans are."

As much as they may favor it, the average American (just like most people) is alarmed by sudden change without a chance to get comfortable with the idea before it happens. This is true even for soldiers.

This is part of why, outside of Rapid Reaction Forces, deploying a unit overseas means going through a long checklist of things (even for active duty units)... so that the soldier gradually prepares himself (and his family) for the reality that he IS going to some place that is NOT the United States. Even the peacetime rotations to Germany and Korea were like that -- a month before PCS, you get your shots. You have mandatory briefings about the national culture, and the current political and military situation, plus state department intel (such as what travel advisories are currently in effect for American civilians planning to travel to that country), and ANYTHING that you absolutely MUST, or MUST NOT do, because defying that advice will likely cause an international incident (such as the two officers in Saudi Arabia who got caught having sex in a mosque. The Moslem clerics said that the site had to be declared as defiled, and the mosque bulldozed to the ground; the officers were NOT being held by American MP's, or even Saudi MP's, but instead, were being held in a Saudi civilian jail. Oh... Saudi jails don't feed their prisoners. If you're in one, you had better have friends who will come visit regularly to bring you food, or else you WILL die of starvation. It literally took the Ambassador to Saudi Arabia to get those two (baby boomer, of course) clowns out of jail and directly to an aircraft flying to the United States. And I'm pretty sure they faced severe disciplinary action under the UCMJ, including having their commissions revoked, reduction in rank to E-1, stockade time, revocation of all decorations and honors, followed by a discharge with Charachter of Service as either "Less than Honorable" or "Dishonorable." Because I found out about it the way most people did: Our battalion commander called a mandatory formation, and put out the word himself. To one of his every companies scattered across Saudi Arabia. And this guy was a Vietnam vet, originally an infantry officer, who also personally knew Alexander Haig when Haig was a Army Captain in Vietnam. He didn't worry about minor shit -- he would delegate that to others.

Blogger Avalanche January 10, 2019 6:13 AM  

@151 "there are things Trump could do right now completely independent of securing approval from other branches, from issuing warrants for the subversion and insurrection that are "sanctuary cities"..."

Never ask a question for which you do not already know the answer. Never take an action the result of which you know would cause further problems, and still not solve current ones.

Okay. Let's say he sends in an armed force and arrests the mayor and city council of just one city... let's pick San Francisco. Arresting the pols for treason, sedition, violating oath of office, aiding and abetting many murders of Americans - whatever...

Immediately followed by -- not sort-of peaceful yellow vest rallies, but by antifa, blm, bamn, and just-idiot-liberals (and 'destructive mischief by inner-city youths') burning MANY cities down across the country. Because they would! Maybe followed by hot-heads on the right deciding to try to stop the rioting, because the police won't or can't.

So, AMERICA burns, because Trump acted precipitously to solve our (entirely reasonable) DESIRE for action -- ANY action -- to salve our fury. The still-too-liberal courts keep letting the left off on horrendous violent charges: SEVEN videoed attacks by BikeLock Fag -- WAIVED! -- while throwing a young GA couple into jail for TWENTY YEARS for waving a confederate flag at some negroes. So, who is going to benefit from lighting that fuse too soon?

WHAT have we gained? Not a damned thing! What have we lost? Maybe everything. When you're preparing a HUGE bonfire, you do NOT light a bunch of little fires around the periphery, no matter how good it feels to see the flames!

Blogger Avalanche January 10, 2019 6:21 AM  

@153 "when an intelligent man could believe the civnat lies, and could believe the Left were loyal Americans."

And yet you think this very intelligent man, who built an astonishing empire and has done amazing things in two years is somehow NOT intelligent enough to suss out what's real? "Somehow" he hasn't yet tipped to the complete lack of loyalty on the part of the left? And he stormed out of the wall meeting because his FEELINGS were hurt?!

Yeah, some days it's nearly impossible to believe in 4D chess underwater; and yet -- Vox's "wait three days" and two YEARS of visible masterful manipulation as he positions the country for the coming explosion (either his, or one just by the march of history) -- you still think he's just a derpy-derpy-derp civnat who can't see the problems before him?

Ask ANY military man -- it's the WAITING that's the hardest! Doing the prep, brainstorming all the possible turns of battle, training the 'troops' -- FINDING the troops -- firing the traitors, cleaning and testing the 'weapons,' moving everything into position... All that is still doing; you can expend your feelings with prep-action. Then comes the waiting... Oh damn-it-to-hell, the waiting...

Don't fire till you see thew whites of their eyes!!

Blogger Avalanche January 10, 2019 6:36 AM  

@155 'Very little speculation required to realize that if you put tens of thousands of troops with suitable arming orders on the violent US border the same sort of thing could happen again."

What? Are you a cuck?! YES OF COURSE, people will get shot and die. Even innocent ones, even good ones! Did you forget we're at war? 'Ooh ooh, someone was not careful to NOT set off rightly touchy military men on the border!' At the border, armed, esp. if you're a hispanic: you know a MEMBER of the invading tribe, you NEED to be conscious of "optics"!'

You've seemingly been suckered by the years of the press (and the damned political military leaders) claiming "surgical strikes" and "drone strikes on insurgents."

I knocked down my neighbor's excited raving about how GREAT the movie "American Sniper" was: "yeah, yeah, so he killed a LOT of people -- whom he/the military brass DECLARED to be enemy combatants, after they were dead. How many wedding and funerals and farmers in their own field did "we" kill and then call enemies?"

(This was the neighbor who is all het up about how tacky it was to (maybe, I hope) be handing out subpoenas at a funeral.) How MANY
"innocents" have "we" killed?

There is no such thing as a surgical strike. "We" have killed at least hundreds of thousands, maybe a million or more, INNOCENT people; we WILL kill more. At least THESE will be actual invaders / military threats to our actual country!

But you're unhappy that it "could happen again"?! It definitely WILL happen again! 100% guaranteed! And even IF the govt does not send "thousands of troops with suitable arming orders on the violent US border," it STILL will happen again. In the interior or at the border, because the war is already here!

Blogger Random #57 January 10, 2019 7:33 AM  

@173 Avalanche:

@155 'Very little speculation required to realize that if you put tens of thousands of troops with suitable arming orders on the violent US border the same sort of thing could happen again."

What? Are you a cuck?! YES OF COURSE, people will get shot and die. Even innocent ones, even good ones! Did you forget we're at war?


In light of your @171 comment, do you think the nation's ready to admit we're at war, and take the necessary steps without an internal revolt of much greater magnitude? Because the Left is already in full revolt by protecting illegal aliens once they get past the border. My two points are 1) there will be sympathetic innocents killed and 2) I doubt the nation at large is ready for that. We agree on 1, and I fully admit I have little confidence in my 2.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 10, 2019 2:58 PM  

"You don't like invaders being killed?"

"How dare you call them invaders!"

*BANG*

"Any more objections, you traitor?"

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