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Friday, January 11, 2019

Those nefarious Russians

First they got Drumpf elected and now they're messing with the magnetic North Pole:
Earth's magnetic fields are shifting - and scientists are unsure why.

Researchers say the magnetic North Pole is  'skittering' away from Canada, towards Siberia.

The problem has got so bad, researchers around the world are scrambling to update a global model of the fields.

Called the World Magnetic Model, it underlies all modern navigation, from the systems that steer ships at sea to Google Maps on smartphones. The most recent version of the model came out in 2015, and it was supposed to last until 2020.

However, researchers say the  magnetic field is changing so rapidly that they have to fix the model urgently.

It was due to be updated on the 15th January, but due to the US Government shutdown, that has already been delayed until the 30th.

The magnetic field is in a permanent state of flux.

Magnetic north wanders, and every few hundred thousand years the polarity flips so that a compass would point south instead of north.
Is it just me or is everything getting weirder faster these days?

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Blogger The Observer January 11, 2019 9:08 AM  

They really can't help but throw a jab at Trump while at anything.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2019 9:17 AM  

That vast fusion ball in the sky is messing with us.
I believe that Earth was much, much smaller hundreds of millions of years ago. There are great models on-line that show how reducing the size of the sphere at tectonic plate edges causes all the continents to fit together nicely (in the distant past.)

It seems plausible that cosmic radiation entering the core of the Earth creates matter, and if this is so, then we might grasp why oil deposits seem to "refill" over time (hydrocarbons are hardly uncommon even on planets where no life ever existed) and why I suspect that volcanic activity will dramatically rise during the predicted lull in solar activity in coming decades.

If the weakening of the magnetic field is related to reduced solar activity and more cosmic radiation reaches Earth, all sorts of interesting effects could occur.

It will, like everything else, be blamed on whatever is most convenient or profitable (for "some" people.) We live in a vast Cargo Cult, where phenomena that are actually either inexplicable or simply probability-based are blamed on some (im)plausible cause or antecedent.

In Prehistory, shamans explained the rain, the storms, the droughts, etc., in terms of pleased or angry gods. Now, the same clowns spin tales of CO2 concentrations, automobile engines and farting cows to "explain" phenomena that are too complex for humans to understand.

All because people in general demand explanations for things that vex or scare them, and most people are conditioned to believe the fairy tales spun by the subset of people who want to be the Cleric-of-Today (qualification for which today mostly requires nothing more than a Ph.D..)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 11, 2019 9:25 AM  

I admit it I clicked on the link and then while there glanced at the booby pics. If the clowns of the left could jettison feminists I do think they could as DC mentions turn the climate cult into the predominate cult as long as they use fake boobs to sell it to the rubes.

The number one oligarch in the world today just gave away half his fortune for a set of fakies and some injectolips. He should have called the GE and got tips on how to handle his lusts instead. Lesson learned for all the handwaving about progress and other stupid crap boobs are the endpoint of mankind's evolution.

Blogger Jill Domschot January 11, 2019 9:26 AM  

Not just you.

Blogger pyrrhus January 11, 2019 9:31 AM  

Little Ice Age incoming, magnetic pole rapidly shifting....the anti-Globalist plan is running smoothly.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 11, 2019 9:33 AM  

Russians? Oh, come on Vox, we all know it was the JOOOOOOOS messing with magnetic north. They must be making money off it somehow.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 11, 2019 9:36 AM  

It seems plausible that cosmic radiation entering the core of the Earth creates matter,

Ummm, no, it does not seem plausible at all, unless you throw out the most basic founding assumptions of modern science.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2019 9:36 AM  

They must be making money off it somehow.
If anyone could,...

Blogger Rocklea Marina January 11, 2019 9:40 AM  

Probably also underpins Elliott Waves. We are going know very soon if the GSM is happening. It won't mean glaciation but it will mean extended winters and shorter growing seasons interrupted by Indian summers. If. Also, 2033 is right at tail end of the beginning. Serendipitous.

Blogger Lushtree January 11, 2019 9:41 AM  

Stealing elections, stealing Crimea, stealing magnetic north...

Is there anyting Putin will not steal?

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2019 9:42 AM  

@7 The Structure of Scientific Revolutions is a sad joke. History is a long tapestry of one "basic founding assumption" after another being incredibly dominant until one day, it's gone. Why?

You're a bright guy. You do a lot of school and concentrate in a particular field. You do your dissertation based on a fundamental premise in your field. You do a post-doc, you fluff the right people's garfields and after 40 years you're the head of the dept and the president of your scientific field's international academy.

Along comes some guy whose research undoes the fulcrum of your entire life's work in the field. In peer review, do you (1) approve his grant application and/or pivotal research paper for publication or (2) find his work entirely laughable?

Choice (1) means that at 65 years of age you go back to being a bottle-washer in his lab.

You do the math. I find it laughable that this is called "The Information Age."

Blogger The Kurgan January 11, 2019 9:46 AM  

Interesting. I proposed the possibility of a pole shift happening based on the data I had 24 years ago, predicting it would take between 20-100 years but some of it would be seen to be happening in the next 20 years or so. And here we are.
And I didn’t know then what I know now.
2020+ could become really interesting times indeed.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 11, 2019 9:46 AM  

Called the World Magnetic Model, it underlies all modern navigation...

What! I never read anything about the magnetic field when I was reading about the GPS system. I think that's bogus. Nobody navigates strictly by compass anymore.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2019 9:47 AM  

for decades my dad read old Edgar Casey books and ranted about the coming magnetic pole flip... I always rolled my eyes about it.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2019 9:49 AM  

@13 turn off cell towers and 99% of people couldn't find their way to the next town or city. What basic ability will be lost next among people grown utterly, childishly dependent on their electronic toys?

Nobody navigates by compass? Hell, nobody can read a map.

Blogger Unknown January 11, 2019 10:03 AM  

dc.sunsets:In Prehistory, shamans explained the rain, the storms, the droughts, etc., in terms of pleased or angry gods. Now, the same clowns spin tales of CO2 concentrations, automobile engines and farting cows to "explain" phenomena that are too complex for humans to understand.

^^^This a thousand times over^^^

Blogger kurt9 January 11, 2019 10:11 AM  

Is it just me or is everything getting weirder faster these days?

No, its just the liberal-left that is getting weirder these days.

Blogger Raker_T January 11, 2019 10:12 AM  

"Is it just me or is everything getting weirder faster these days?" No it's not just you. I've done my own sales for more than 30 years. Changes in technology, changes in product, I can adjust. They change, stay that way for awhile, until they change again. But irrational customers? It's getting worse. For awhile, maybe 5 or 10 years ago, I tried the old "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" approach; that is, make some sort rule or procedure to keep from being broadsided by the same thing twice. Now though, I've realized there is no twice. It's always a new thing, and it's getting more bizarre. I'll spare yo the details, suffice it to say that I'm working on a new meta philosophy for work and sales. It started with a need to imitate Japanese factory procedures, then I realized I might ought to widen the scope of it. I'm calling it "Flexible flexibility". And yes, it did pass through a corner of my mind that insanity might be contagious.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 11, 2019 10:18 AM  

"It seems plausible that cosmic radiation entering the core of the Earth creates matter..."

Correction: it seems plausible that cosmic radiation entering the core of the Earth CHANGES MATTER THAT ALREADY EXIST PRIOR INTO OTHER FORMS. The way you worded it seemed to imply creation ex nihilo and thusly cosmic radiation being magic or God.

Blogger Salt January 11, 2019 10:21 AM  

Where's the dossier blaming Trump?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 11, 2019 10:28 AM  

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Blogger JAG January 11, 2019 10:31 AM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:"It seems plausible that cosmic radiation entering the core of the Earth creates matter..."

Correction: it seems plausible that cosmic radiation entering the core of the Earth CHANGES MATTER THAT ALREADY EXIST PRIOR INTO OTHER FORMS. The way you worded it seemed to imply creation ex nihilo and thusly cosmic radiation being magic or God.


It would not be ex nihilo. The cosmic rays are a "something", meaning that they are quanta just like all other forms of matter and energy. However, given the masses of the Sun and the Earth, the age of the solar system, and the amount of energy given off by the sun, the theory of significant mass additions to the Earth from the sun is highly dubious.

As to the weirdness factor being discussed as well in this thread, I am now an adherent of the different timeline conspiracy. Sometime during Bush the Elder's term somebody cast a spell that put is in an alternate timeline that resulted in the Clintons coming to power. Perhaps their wizardry is much stronger than we all guess.

It was 9-11-2001 that shifted our timeline once again to an even worse reality.

Another shift happened somewhere around 2014. I believe GamerGate was the catalyst for the most recent shift to yet another timeline.

Blogger JAG January 11, 2019 10:32 AM  

Emmanuel, please disregard my initial paragraph in response to you. You corrected while I was entering mine.

Blogger FUBARwest January 11, 2019 10:38 AM  

@Jag why do those events require us shifting into a different timeline and not continuing the timeline we were already in?

Blogger DJT January 11, 2019 10:39 AM  

>The problem has got so bad
>problem

Oh wow, it's like the universe is not in a permanent stasis. Next you'll be telling me the earth goes around the sun!

Scientists are such morons, truly.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 11, 2019 10:43 AM  

The North Pole is moving toward Siberia at the average rate of 50 kilometers per year as the earth's magnetic field continues to weaken! Time to check the space weather!

And let's not forget Zarkhova's research, which strongly indicates that the Grand Solar Minimum is nigh.

The upshot: The planet is likely to get noticeably colder over the coming decades. Throw in a major volcanic eruption at the level of VEI 6. And watch empires fall.

Blogger DJT January 11, 2019 10:46 AM  

It's like the "problem" of day-night cycles and the "problem" of leap years.

Blogger Salt January 11, 2019 10:50 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:The upshot: The planet is likely to get noticeably colder over the coming decades. Throw in a major volcanic eruption at the level of VEI 6. And watch empires fall.

Ski season should be great.

Blogger James Dixon January 11, 2019 10:51 AM  

> Ummm, no, it does not seem plausible at all, unless you throw out the most basic founding assumptions of modern science.

Eh? The assumptions of modern science are that matter and energy are interchangeable. We even know the conversion ration. That's what Einstein's famous equation tells us.

Blogger James Dixon January 11, 2019 10:56 AM  

> for decades my dad read old Edgar Casey books

I assume you mean Edgar Cayce?

An yes, the current erratic movement of the north pole has been postulated as an indication that a pole shift is imminent (in geologic terms).

Blogger rumpole5 January 11, 2019 10:58 AM  

For heavens sake, we are on a spinning ball surrounded by multiple other spinning balls and rocks, all in irregular orbits around another huge spinning ball that is constantly errupting in nuclear explosions. All of these balls impart shifting degrees of gravity effect from their mass, that differs, depending on their relative positions to each other. That mass effect also acts on the speed of time itself. OF COURSE the liquid center of the earth is shifting around! Why is that even news? Liberals are like high school mean kid senior know it alls who think that they have it all down pat, with their ridiculous global climate preditive computer programs. The truth is that the future is nothing but a bevy of black swans.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 11, 2019 11:02 AM  

@31: Yup. The climate change the Liberals expect is unlikely to be the climate change we get.

The sun does what it will. Mankind will suffer as it must.

Blogger Warunicorn January 11, 2019 11:03 AM  

When one notices that the patience and temperance of normal-thinking people is at an all-time low, you know something's changed and isn't them.

You have people who want you to entertain their fantastic delusions. (e.g., Men who want you to believe they're women, even if biology dictated they have a Y chromosome.) And then you have people who endorse the idea and call you crazy for objecting to it.

I don't know what to make of it. Personally, I'm at the point where I tell them to go drink bleach rather than be lectured to about my badthink.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 11, 2019 11:10 AM  

The poles have flipped many times. If they aren't ready for it, it will likely cause a short period of chaos and cancelled flights.

Blogger rumpole5 January 11, 2019 11:16 AM  

Or, as Haydn put it:

https://youtu.be/OwqqfbinUDY

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 11, 2019 11:20 AM  

I wonder if monopoles are going to come back into fashion?



...as opposed to actual existence.

Blogger JAG January 11, 2019 11:23 AM  

FUBARwest wrote:@Jag why do those events require us shifting into a different timeline and not continuing the timeline we were already in?

I'm not saying I'm right, it's just my own entertainment of a conspiracy theory. Consider it an extension of the Berenstein vs. Berenstain conspiracy.

Blogger Pigarooni Reporter January 11, 2019 11:29 AM  

https://youtu.be/aIre1u0XskE

Blogger chronoblip January 11, 2019 11:32 AM  

James Dixon wrote:Eh? The assumptions of modern science are that matter and energy are interchangeable. We even know the conversion ration. That's what Einstein's famous equation tells us.

Not to mention the reproducibility crisis, which means that we haven't actually been doing "good science" for some time, so despite technology improving, we're not really pushing the boundary on what we genuinely understand, because secularists are upset that such discoveries haven't been able to put humanity on God's throne as the Enlightenment had promised.

Blogger Ferdinand January 11, 2019 11:44 AM  

Even the Magnetic field wants to get away from Trudeau as fast as possible.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 11, 2019 11:48 AM  

@15
Stock up on Rand McNally Maps for bartering.

Blogger kudzu bob January 11, 2019 11:56 AM  

@JAG

In one post you said you were an adherent of the notion of shifting timelines, but then in your next post you said that you were merely entertaining it. Either your grasp of the Enlish language is very weak or else there was a shift in the space-time continuum during this very thread.

Blogger Lazarus January 11, 2019 12:02 PM  

This whole thing is a psy-op to distract us from what is happening to the southern magnetic pole!

(meme to follow)

Blogger gentes de Viriato January 11, 2019 12:04 PM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:The North Pole is moving toward Siberia at the average rate of 50 kilometers per year as the earth's magnetic field continues to weaken! Time to check the space weather!

Suspicious0bservers

Blogger Richard Holmes January 11, 2019 12:05 PM  

Is it just me or is everything getting weirder faster these days? - VD

Birth pangs....

Blogger King Hippo January 11, 2019 12:10 PM  

This is nothing new.
Back from the days when PBS Nova had actual science
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/when-our-magnetic-field-flips.html

Blogger Dirk Manly January 11, 2019 12:16 PM  

"Is it just me or is everything getting weirder faster these days? - VD"

This is just normal weirdness that has happened thousand upon thousands of times before. Many geological science types believe that we're due for a magnetic pole flip. The pole moving so fast could mean that it's about to come.

The Ocean floor is plastered with magnetic strips running parallel to each ridge in which the oceanic plate is spreading wider. Typically , the stripes are between 10 and 100 km wide.

lookup up magnetic bands atlantic ocean

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener January 11, 2019 12:18 PM  

We will soon find out what lurks on the other side of the weirdness singularity.

Blogger Nostromo January 11, 2019 12:19 PM  

Why doesn't he steal the effin' Democrats? He's supposed to be Trumps puppermaster, right?

Blogger Salt January 11, 2019 12:20 PM  

Nebaru approaches.

Blogger JAG January 11, 2019 12:22 PM  

kudzu bob wrote:@JAG

In one post you said you were an adherent of the notion of shifting timelines, but then in your next post you said that you were merely entertaining it. Either your grasp of the Enlish language is very weak or else there was a shift in the space-time continuum during this very thread.


You win, Secret King.

Did my ankle taste good?

Blogger JAG January 11, 2019 12:29 PM  

Now I know how Big Bear feels. You cannot even joke about, play devil's advocate, or spitball topics with gammas around.

Blogger kudzu bob January 11, 2019 12:33 PM  

@JAG

You would know better than I how your ankle tastes, given that your foot is planted firmly in your mouth.

Blogger Nate73 January 11, 2019 12:37 PM  

@JAG: On the other hand when I happened to tune into BB last night it was right as he was angrily talking about how the earth is flat and then he banned some people. But why can't the planes fly over antarctica..?!

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 11, 2019 12:40 PM  

@29

"Eh? The assumptions of modern science are that matter and energy are interchangeable."

Not in the way you're thinking, no.

"We even know the conversion ration. That's what Einstein's famous equation tells us.'

Again, not in the way you're thinking. You might as well say that 'joules' are themselves a concrete entity when completely divorced from matter if you're going where you seem to be going.

Furthermore, dc.sunsets SPECIFICALLY SAID:

"It seems plausible that cosmic radiation entering the core of the Earth creates matter..."

Question for you: what is the mechanism that somehow magically converts photons emitted from the sun striking the core of the earth into massive/matter particles like electrons, neutron, and protons? I mean, I know you can produce photons from splitting or joining atoms which is how nuclear fission and fusion works, but how do you re-bottle that genie once it's out of the lamp? Furthermore, since cosmic rays is a very broad term encompassing both photons and massive particles, if we assume he meant the cosmic rays that are actually massive, how do electrons, neutrons, and protons create NEW MATTER, rather than just transmuting already existing matter, which is what dc.sunset seems to be saying when he talks about renewal within the earth like here:

"and if this is so, then we might grasp why oil deposits seem to "refill" over time (hydrocarbons are hardly uncommon even on planets where no life ever existed)..."

Blogger Fred January 11, 2019 12:51 PM  

Everything getting weird? Nah...just Democratic delusions.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 11, 2019 12:51 PM  

Canada is so bad even the North Pole does not want to be there.

Blogger DonReynolds January 11, 2019 12:56 PM  

You are so right, Vox. What has gotten weirder and weirder over time has been the popular culture in the USA.

They have outlawed, banned, and censored behaviors and acts that were once considered NORMAL in this country. Now they are imagining that journalists know what people are thinking, when they have made no such announcement. To these same people the Rule of Law is less important than how they FEEL about the impact of the law, and those feelz change depending entirely on which demographic disproportionately violates those laws.

We do not live in the world of Pollyanna, we are riding around in Alice's apron pocket while she tries to find a way out of Wonderland.

We HAVE seen exactly this same thing before...it was called Ripley's Believe It or Not. It was a popular item in the newspapers. Basically, it drew attention to historical facts that did not conform to the historical mythology and presented it as new information, as if it were a news item. Yes, Blackbeard the Pirate had a regular job as a school teacher and would play pirate during his vacation time.

Blogger Joshua_D January 11, 2019 12:59 PM  

Guys, guys, this Man-made Magnetic Change, obviously caused by Man-made Climate Change, is another reason why we need CO2 Taxes ASAP. Call Occasio-Cortex and have her include this in her Green New Deal!

Blogger David The Good January 11, 2019 1:07 PM  

We need a ferrous tax.

Blogger David The Good January 11, 2019 1:08 PM  

Imagine all the filings in the international courts!

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 11, 2019 1:09 PM  

@47: "This is just normal weirdness that has happened thousand upon thousands of times before."

True. But this has never happened with a global population of 7 billion people, most organized in complex, centralized societies. Most of the advanced societies, like America, are sufficiently robust/resilient to deal with the usual range of climate/weather challenges (though California does make one wonder!)

However, the critical uncertainty is the threshold beyond which climate change would seriously erode the centralized basis of modern society regardless of the adaptive response. Just imagine what would happen if colder temps sharply curtailed the northern hemisphere growing season for years on end.

Hunger can easily undermine establishment legitimacy in ways that lost wars usually do.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 11, 2019 1:11 PM  

@7

>> It seems plausible that cosmic radiation entering the core of the Earth creates matter,

> Ummm, no, it does not seem plausible at all, unless you throw out the most basic founding assumptions of modern science.

Zaklog, The OLD view is that there are two physical laws, "the conservation of mass" and "the conservation of energy."

Nuclear fission and nuclear fusion proved those laws to be approximations which fail spectacularly under certain conditions. These spectacular failures are what allow us to build nuclear power plants (both on land and inside ships), and nuclear bombs (both fission and fusion).

Matter is radiant energy in a condensed form
(an analogy is water and ice are the condensed forms of steam vapor.)

E = m * c^2 is the governing equation.

The amount of energy you get from converting that mass to energy is equal to the energy of that mass if you accelerated it to the speed of light.

Now, under classic Newtonian physics, that formula would be E = (m * c^2)/2, which is the integration of mv from v=0 to v=c. But because of relativistic effects on mass, which are negligible until getting reaching a significant fraction of the speed of light, the apparent mass becomes larger, such that to reach the speed of light, 2x as much energy is needed as compared to model developed by Isaac Newton.

The relativistic model gives the same results as the Newtonian model at velocities <<< speed of light. ( <<< means "much less than")

Anyways, high energy radiation enters the earth , following along the magnetic field lines. It then meets resistance (solid earth is NOT a vacuum). The radiation can be absorbed, and in the process, condenses into matter.

His statement is consistent with the latest physics and our understanding of energy and matter as merely two sides of the same coin... the "evaporated" form and the "condensed form."


Means this:

The conversion of energy to and from

Blogger DonReynolds January 11, 2019 1:17 PM  

There was a time when science people thought that much of science was a set of constants and once you mastered all the constants, you had a firm grip on science. So the search was on for all the constants in the world and any variation in these constants was attributed to faulty measurement or incompetence.

But there are very few constants that are constant all the time and under every circumstance. Engineering and science fair projects do fail sometimes.

It reminds me a lot of a summary of higher education that was told me by one of my professors:

In undergrad, everything seems simple and fixed....2 + 2 is 4. Get that through your thick head and remember it on the next exam.

For the masters, yes, 2 + 2 tends to be 4, but it could be a little higher or a little lower, but it tends to be about 4.

For the doctorate, 2 + 2 is 4, but that is a special case, subject to all kinds of assumptions and measurement errors and reporting inconsistencies. But you need to be aware of those and not be too surprised when they happen.

Blogger Xellos January 11, 2019 1:19 PM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:@29
Question for you: what is the mechanism that somehow magically converts photons emitted from the sun striking the core of the earth into massive/matter particles like electrons, neutron, and protons? I mean, I know you can produce photons from splitting or joining atoms which is how nuclear fission and fusion works, but how do you re-bottle that genie once it's out of the lamp?


Maybe not what you're asking, but a high-energy photon interacting with an atomic nucleus can produce an electron-positron pair quite easily (see: lead as a gamma absorber). The positron then annihilates with some other electron, of course.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 11, 2019 1:21 PM  

@19

"The way you worded it seemed to imply creation ex nihilo and thusly cosmic radiation being magic or God"

Radiant energy and "matter" are merely two states of the same thing -- like steam and liquid water. There is no ex nihilo creation -- it's merely transorming this substance from an evaporated state (cosmic rays) to the condensed state (matter).

Blogger cheddarman January 11, 2019 1:48 PM  

Maybe Putin in his foresight is moving the poles towards Siberia so the USA will get hotter and all those propositional americans not from europe will feel more at home weather wise

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 11, 2019 2:17 PM  

Is it just me or is everything getting weirder faster these days?

No, it's not just you. I mean, the start of the decade was pretty weird, but I think the dissonance created when the God-Emperor won on 9 Nov 2016 push that weirdness into overdrive.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 11, 2019 2:39 PM  

Isn't the orientation of Earth's magnetic field somehow related to ice-ages, or perhaps sun output? I vaguely remember reading something to that effect.

Blogger Mr Darcy January 11, 2019 2:53 PM  

" […] Actually, we're at the beginning of the minimum. February 2006 was the first month in almost ten years with mostly no sunspots. For 21 of February's 28 days, the sun was blank. […]"


https://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/06mar_solarminimum.html

Blogger James Dixon January 11, 2019 2:58 PM  

> Not in the way you're thinking, no.

I don't recall discussing any specifics. So I have no idea what you think I'm thinking.

But Dirk and Xellos seem to have done a good job of covering the matter at an appropriate level.

Blogger James Dixon January 11, 2019 3:00 PM  

Now, speaking of conspiracy theories, which VFM at Google was responsible for Earl Scruggs being the Google doodle of the day? A white bluegrass/country musician? That seems extremely unlikely for Google.

Blogger chronoblip January 11, 2019 3:08 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:But there are very few constants that are constant all the time and under every circumstance. Engineering and science fair projects do fail sometimes.

These kind of claims are what prompt engineers to mock academics.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 11, 2019 3:11 PM  

I understood dc.sunsets' statement the first time. No, he did not change it, he clarified it.

It would be my expectation that particle radiation entering the earth would be partly captured. I do not know, however, whether or not it might actually reduce the Earth's mass faster than increasing it, via breaking up or destabilizing previously stable atoms.

If it does result in an overall increase of mass, I don't really know what is on or off of the table. You'd expect a combination of creating heavier elements in some cases, and breaking heavier elements into lighter ones in other cases, so I suppose it could be creating hydrocarbons over time. I wouldn't expect it to be near fast enough to noticeably refill oil wells though... that's a heck of a lot of radiation.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 11, 2019 3:40 PM  

@70: Technically we are in the solar minimum between Solar Cycle 24 and 25. Eleven-year solar cycles and all that.

Heliophysicists say the current minimum will run through this year into 2020. At some point, sunspots will return in greater numbers, thus inaugurating Solar Cycle 25.

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2019 3:50 PM  

Lol

Blogger Banjo January 11, 2019 4:37 PM  

Well, I can neither confirm nor deny I had any involvement.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 11, 2019 4:51 PM  

@71

"But Dirk and Xellos seem to have done a good job of covering the matter at an appropriate level."

When I saw other people's similar responses, I was tempted to delete mine as being redundant, but then thought otherwise because nobody had brought up the "matter is energy in its condensate form" issue. If you got something out of it, then I'm glad I didn't.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 11, 2019 5:13 PM  

@74

"breaking up or destabilizing previously stable atoms."

Breaking up a large atom into two lesser atoms with the same total proton count +/-1 as the original atom produces a less dense material. Same (approximate... within 1%) mass, but anywhere from slightly more to almost 50% more volume.

Let's say you have an original atom A, with n protons and electrons, and it splits into A' and B' (with A' n/2 OR MORE protons and electrons).

If A' has n/2 protons and electrons, then it will have a volume which is greater than (the volume of A/2). If, as is often the case, B' is a hydrogen or helium atom, the volume difference between A and A' is almost always negligible UNLESS the A and A' are on different lines in the periodic table. However, B', even if only a hydrogen or helium atom, takes up far more volume than what the A -> A' conversion lost in the outermost electron shell.

Now let's say you've got an atom on the 6th line of the periodic table, and splits into 2 atom of roughly equal mass and proton counts. The 1st line of the periodic table (H, and He) is extremely short, because there's only a P orbital (2 electrons), and the 2, and 3rd lines are also pretty short, because these atoms can have P (2 electrons) and S (6 electrons) orbitals in the outermost shell.
Lines 4 and 5 have an inner shell with P, 2 shells of P and S, and then P (2), S (6) and D (10) orbitals in the outermost shell. Then the 6th and 7th lines are like a line 5 atom, with further shells of P (2), S (6), D (10) and F (14) electron orbitals.

So you can see, you can split an atom in the 6th line fairly evenly, due to the fact that there's something of a geometric progression going on, the 2 daughter atoms are NOT going to be 3rd line atoms. They're going to be in the 4the line. So you've taken a 6-shell atom, and replaced it with two 4-shell atoms... and that's going to take up significantly more volume than the original 6-shell atom.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 11, 2019 5:26 PM  

@Dirk, that would be a clean break. It does, sometimes. Sometimes you get alpha particles and other fun things that take protons with them, though.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 11, 2019 5:26 PM  

Eventually to become hydrogen or Helium or the like. Yeah, I know.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 11, 2019 5:27 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@13 turn off cell towers and 99% of people couldn't find their way to the next town or city. What basic ability will be lost next among people grown utterly, childishly dependent on their electronic toys?

Nobody navigates by compass? Hell, nobody can read a map.

The Army puts out land-navigation field-manuals which you can use to teach yourself the skillset -- there's some really good ones, but then the Army puts a premium on "institutional knowledge" and training, so it makes sense they'd have a good library of "learn skill X" books. -- Anyway, here it is: FM 3-25.26 [PDF].

Ferdinand wrote:Even the Magnetic field wants to get away from Trudeau as fast as possible.
Ouch. That was brutally well-done.

Warunicorn wrote:When one notices that the patience and temperance of normal-thinking people is at an all-time low, you know something's changed and isn't them.
My theory about what's changed: "too big to fail" happened.
You see, before there was always an idea among the working-class that in general if you work hard you can be a success, and contrawise that if you do stupid things you'll fail, but seeing the complete and utter repudiation of this with all the bail-outs has eroded that and shown us that even our leaders (who are supposed to be on our side) are against us, our success, our families.

The TL;DR: There's too much injustice to ignore: and it's been entrenched and codified by black-robed god-kings... leaving the common-man feeling like there's no-one on his side, no-one who will take up
his
cause.

JaimeInTexas wrote:@15

Stock up on Rand McNally Maps for bartering.

That's not a bad idea.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 11, 2019 5:27 PM  

My question is more about how much of it escapes versus being captured, because some of the outputs almost inevitably escape.

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Blogger Dirk Manly January 11, 2019 6:14 PM  

@74

" I wouldn't expect it to be near fast enough to noticeably refill oil wells though... that's a heck of a lot of radiation."

What do you think causes the aurora borealis and the aurora australius? That's a tremendous amount of charged cosmic and solar radiation being funnel in, aimed almost directly at the center of the earth... and it goes on continuously (not just at night -- the aurora are just easier to see (from the ground) when you are on the night side of the earth. From space, they can' be seen for what they are -- a circular shape... and oftentimes, concentric rings (of varying number depending primarily on the amount of solar wind coming past us, produced by the solar weather, especially if a coronal mass ejection spews out in roughly our direction -- then you get situations where you don't have to be in Alaska/northern Canada/Iceland/Norway/Sweden/northern Russia to see the aurora borealis. You can be in New York or Italy or southern Japan to see it during those times (if there's no clouds).

Blogger McChuck January 11, 2019 6:24 PM  

The increase in volcanic activity around the world indicates the plates are moving. The plates are moving because the magma is moving. Moving magma influences the magnetic poles.

Blogger Rhys January 11, 2019 6:28 PM  

To me, it's less like things are getting weirder, more like all the faulty modernist explanations of the universe are turning out to be total horse shit and we actually knew very little about the universe to begin with.

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Blogger eclecticme January 11, 2019 9:06 PM  

@82. OneWingedShark January 11, 2019 5:27 PM
...
The TL;DR: There's too much injustice to ignore: and it's been entrenched and codified by black-robed god-kings... leaving the common-man feeling like there's no-one on his side, no-one who will take up his cause.


If you really want to get angry, read Chain of Title (2016) by Dayen. Do you really think that the finance companies slicing and dicing mortages bothered to record the sales in the local county clerk's office? The book details how the finance companies forged the documents and the courts looked the other way.

Blogger eclecticme January 11, 2019 9:26 PM  

@15. dc.sunsets January 11, 2019 9:49 AM
turn off cell towers and 99% of people couldn't find their way to the next town or city. What basic ability will be lost next among people grown utterly, childishly dependent on their electronic toys?


I knew a B52 SAC navigator back when. He said he practiced navigating using a sextant stuck into a nipple in the aircraft. They assumed none of the satellite stuff would be working when the big day came.

Blogger Avalanche January 11, 2019 9:44 PM  

@7 "we all know it was the JOOOOOOOS messing with magnetic north. They must be making money off it somehow."

Who dyah think is doing all the remapping, shifting signs on the runways, replacing the compasses and gyros? Well, not DOING the work: charging 3X its normal cost plus overruns to get their flunkies corps to do it.

Blogger Avalanche January 11, 2019 9:47 PM  

@20 "Where's the dossier blaming Trump? "

They're still trying to figure out what 'class of person' they should have pee on it. Interest in this just came up so fast!

Blogger Avalanche January 11, 2019 10:26 PM  

@62 "Just imagine what would happen if colder temps sharply curtailed the northern hemisphere growing season for years on end."

Sorry, you've mixed up your tenses. It should read:

Just prepare for what will happen when the oncoming / already started colder temps sharply curtail the northern hemisphere growing season for years on end.

The media won't (ha, wonder why?!) present the news of the terrible changes in food production occurring all over the globe! Check out the YT vids of "Ice Age Farmer." Really good stuff. Here's a 13-min skim of the already occurring food problems.

Blogger Avalanche January 11, 2019 10:30 PM  

Sorry; here's the skim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4NxloTfxIU

Blogger Avalanche January 11, 2019 10:36 PM  

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 12, 2019 4:07 AM  

"What do you think causes the aurora borealis and the aurora australius? That's a tremendous amount of charged cosmic and solar radiation being funnel in, aimed almost directly at the center of the earth... and it goes on continuously"

Average absorption of radiation per year at ground level is about three grays, and this includes radiation coming from the Earth itself. Three jouls/kg per year isn't much, even if your well is filling from a much broader area underneath.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 12, 2019 4:10 AM  

I'd assume there's a lot less than that at the depth of most oil wells too. Something penetrating several dozen miles of atmosphere may not get far through several thousand feet of rock.

Blogger Door in the Hill January 12, 2019 5:53 AM  

Interesting. Looks like the theory of Earth increasing mass by radiation absorption may be reasonable on an initial numbers check.

At 3joule/kg, assuming that's an average over the mass of the Earth, and it is fully converted to mass, we seem to be looking at 2 million kg of added mass per year. To set against that appears to be a half million kg of primarily H/He loss to space, for a net gain of about 1.5 million kg.

Compared to the mass of Earth, however, these numbers are pretty trivial.

Blogger Joseph Maroney January 12, 2019 12:31 PM  

"No, its just the liberal-left that is getting weirder these days."

Indians, especially in Alaska, have remarked on how strangely nature has been behaving in the last few years. The changes are all around, if you know where to look.

Blogger Avalanche January 13, 2019 9:13 AM  

@98 "theory of Earth increasing mass by radiation absorption"

I keep running across "the Earth was once smaller, and so gravity was much less; the biggest dinosaurs COULD NOT have walked around on today's Earth." Concept sometimes tied to blue whales -- the largest animal on the planet 'ever,' who are larger than many/most/all? of the dinos. And blue whales only exist because they live in water. (It's why many of the the stranded lesser whales die... strain of gravity on their organs.)

Have not seen that concept (smaller Earth, lesser gravity, bigger dinos) actually researched and 'tested' -- but the dinos and lesser gravity doesn't seem crazy on the face of it. The 'getting bigger Earth' DOES seem crazy on the face of it -- but then: more and more orthodoxy is being disassembled very persuasively every day!

Blogger Door in the Hill January 13, 2019 6:02 PM  

Yes, on the surface the notion of the Earth getting bigger seems strange. The numbers I came up with are still so trivial I can't credit it with a substantial gravity changing enlargement.

As for the claim of dinosaurs being possible because of a smaller Earth, I've also seen the claim that it was possible because the atmosphere was hugely bigger. Big enough to maintain a density a third that of water at the surface.

This claim still has some issues, because according to my understanding of the hydrostatic condition it would mean that the Earth would have temperatures closer to Venus, and even at current temperatures the CO2 would be a supercritical fluid. To set against that, I've seen the claim that the Sun used to be dimmer, which could potentially take care of the difference.

Of course, keeping the change in atmosphere and the change in the Sun in balance seems unlikely without God, or someone who can play at the needed scale, managing it.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 14, 2019 8:24 AM  

Of course, keeping the change in atmosphere and the change in the Sun in balance seems unlikely without God, or someone who can play at the needed scale, managing it.

God as a buffered system. (wink)

Or "God as the 'rules' that underlie the entire system" vs God who is interested in Mankind down to the granular (individual) level.

Ah, theological debates....

Blogger Door in the Hill January 14, 2019 4:40 PM  

A minefield, to be sure. On the whole, I tend to favour the thinking of God as being potentially omnipotent and omniscient, but he may or may not choose to be in any given situation.

Of course, in the case of managing an atmosphere there could be another party with the technology in between. At a certain point, it isn't relevant to my life, so I stop concerning myself with whether I'm exactly correct or not and just don't make pronouncements one way or another.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2019 9:44 PM  

I think there are probably multiple parties in between. Some angels would probably qualify, and possibly others.

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