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Saturday, January 12, 2019

Who needs a federal government

The USA has enjoyed the longest government shutdown in its history without incident:
The partial government shutdown became the longest closure in U.S. history at when the clock ticked past midnight Friday as President Donald Trump and nervous Republicans scrambled to find a way out of the mess.

A solution couldn't come soon enough for federal workers who got pay statements Friday but no pay.

The House and Senate voted to give federal workers back pay whenever the federal government reopens and then left town for the weekend, leaving the shutdown on track to become one for the record books once the clock struck midnight and the closure entered its 22nd day.

And while Trump privately considered one dramatic escape route - declaring a national emergency to build the wall without a new stream of cash from Congress - members of his own party were fiercely debating that idea, and the president urged Congress to come up with another solution.

'What we're not looking to do right now is national emergency,' Trump said. He insisted that he had the authority to do that, adding that he's 'not going to do it so fast' because he'd still prefer to work a deal with Congress.
Even the black-pillers are beginning to understand that the God-Emperor is serious about building his Big Beautiful Wall. And he is serious about it because he understands that without it, there is no point in even running for re-election.

The Republican Establishment is serious about trying to primary him with Mitt Romney - last week 54 Republican Senators voted to directly attack unalienable American rights at the behest of AIPAC and other Neo-Palestinian interest groups - and President Trump will not be able to defeat that treacherous challenge if he does not deliver on his most important promise to his supporters.

Stand firm and inflexible, Mr. President. Build the Wall. Drain the Swamp. That is the road to victory in 2020.

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Blogger Charles Carlson January 12, 2019 9:13 AM  

If the shutdown continues I wouldn't be shocked if the deep-state engineer a false flag. They would then blame it on Trump because they'll say something like "if the TSA had full funding then this could have easily been prevented."

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 12, 2019 9:25 AM  

This is the hill on which I want to die. No compromise. It's either the wall or it's nothing.

Blogger The Smoking Man #3424 January 12, 2019 9:29 AM  

Retreat?
Hell!

Blogger Gettimothy January 12, 2019 9:36 AM  

Pray for the President.

Sundance at CTH states "Trump does not bluff". I think the pattern will hold.

I think we can discern some Trumpian Laws at work.

1. Establish forthright behaviour as a baseline for negotiations. (Bye, bye Mitt, Chris Christy...)

2. Work forthright deals vigorously to completion. (N.K , Mexico deals)

3. Work scumbag deals giving scumbag the opportunities to work along established, open procedures. Small carrot;YUGE stick. Wield stick with gleeful abandon. (Justin from Canada, Adam Schitt, Daca Bill of Love)

4.Proactive Excellence at the hidden detail level is the baseline the Trump Team. (Don Jr. or Eric tweeted a pic of an immaculately maintained boiler or generator in a non public portion of one of their properties. Very impressive work. Very impressive standards)

5. ?

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 12, 2019 9:38 AM  

President Trump is now fighting on the political equivalent of death ground.

Blogger haus frau January 12, 2019 9:50 AM  

"The Republican Establishment is serious about trying to primary him with Mitt Romney - last week 54 Republican Senators voted to directly attack unalienable American rights at the behest of AIPAC and other Neo-Palestinian interest groups - and President Trump will not be able to defeat that treacherous challenge if he does not deliver on his most important promise to his supporters."

Incredible. Romney got trounced in 2012 because he is like swilling lukewarm coffee. You only drink it when its the only coffee available. No one voted for Romney. They voted against Obama. I do not understand the thought process where they think this mealy mouthed, Mormon cultist can best Trump, especially after his failed play for Sec. of State. I can't see Trump failing that badly. His ego is too big to allow for that.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 12, 2019 9:53 AM  

"President Donald Trump and nervous Republicans scrambled to find a way out of the mess."

"Scrambled" means "sat back with a satisfied smile on his face," in media lingo.

Blogger ZhukovG January 12, 2019 10:07 AM  

Regardless of outcome, this has been a gutsy and potentially brilliant move by our beloved GE. He knew most of the Republicans were jellyfish at best and traitors at worst. So, he waits until he can paint the Democrats as enemies of the people.

The MSM lies that our GE has painted himself into a corner. But it is the Democrats who are as boxed in as Paulus' 6th Army at Stalingrad. The Democrats are pocketed with their diverse and fractious constituents, while the GE has complete freedom of maneuver.

It is the Democrats who are in a do or die situation. The GE can begin building the wall whenever he wishes. He just wants to crush his enemies underfoot as well.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Imperator Trump!!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2019 10:07 AM  

haus frau wrote:I do not understand the thought process where they think this mealy mouthed, Mormon cultist can best Trump, especially after his failed play for Sec. of State.

Fraud, maybe? But Mittens doesn't have to beat Trump, he can just smear him in the primary and set up for Dem fraud in the general.

Blogger DonReynolds January 12, 2019 10:09 AM  

"I intend to fight it out on this line if it takes all summer."

U.S. Grant

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 12, 2019 10:11 AM  

This is the last I'll say about this unless asked. My wife is (physically) recovering alright. We'll get through this. At the moment, it's mostly confusing. Thanks to everyone for your prayers.

Death Before Birth, a Strange Grief

God be with you all, especially those who have suffered this multiple times.

Blogger Ferdinand January 12, 2019 10:14 AM  

I wonder how the potential death or resignation of Ginsburgh would influence the deadlock. Would the democrats give him wall funding in exchange for not nominating another gorsich? How would their base react?

Blogger rumpole5 January 12, 2019 10:27 AM  

Trump is a billionaire. I don't know why he isn't on the phone with some financier types arranging to get furloughed essential govt. workers very low interest loans on pledge of their paychecks to be received after the Govt reopens. He could leave the nonessental workers hang.

Blogger justaguy January 12, 2019 10:30 AM  

I hope some judge rules that "essential federal employees" can get paid due to restitution. Then we can skip the budget for a few months,the government can stay shutdown for quite awhile. The non-essential employees will quit and suddenly any supervisor can declare an employee non-essential and get rid of him.

Blogger John Best January 12, 2019 10:38 AM  

I enjoy trumps feigned retreats, he see how the enemy reacts, then either allows them to leave with their honour or brings the hammer down. The media fall for it every time.

Blogger Gettimothy January 12, 2019 10:50 AM  

@11 prayers offered

Blogger tz January 12, 2019 10:56 AM  

The difference is the Government will reopen. It is mostly open. When the plant closes and moves to Mexico or China, it will never reopen.

I have zero sympathy. The swamp is getting a SMALL dose of what flyover country has been getting for the last few decades.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 12, 2019 10:57 AM  

Zaklog,

You are in our prayers here. My wife and I, we've been there, as has my sister and her husband.



Blogger Azimus January 12, 2019 10:58 AM  

For me, the wall is the litmus test to see if the empire has the political will to fix its problems. The people do, or did in 2016 anyway. If not, its time to stop paying into 401k and start buying commodities - land, gold, beans, and lead.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 12, 2019 11:01 AM  

I wish I could offer you and your wife something better than prayers and commiseration.

Blogger FUBARwest January 12, 2019 11:07 AM  

"start buying commodities - land, gold, beans, and lead."

Whether the wall gets built or not that time is already here.

Blogger Robert What? January 12, 2019 11:23 AM  

I voted for Trump but I've never been big on the wall thing. I think future US governments will just as likely use it to keep Americans in as keep foreigners out - in fact more likely.

Blogger doctrev January 12, 2019 11:25 AM  

"Oh no, the poor TSA perverts, gropers and time-servers! I hope they can moonlight and get paid when the shutdown ends!" Said no American, ever.

The media insists that the President is panicking, but a shutdown literally inflicts pain on everyone he hates and gives him further excuse to deregulate the parasite government. Why on Earth wouldn't he drag this out?

Blogger Robert What? January 12, 2019 11:25 AM  

The permanent federal bureaucracy are terrified that an extended shut down will show everyone how useless most of the federal government is. In fact they could permanently shut down 75% of the federal government and the lives of the productive classes would only improve. The parasites would suffer of course, but who cares.

Blogger Dave January 12, 2019 11:31 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:haus frau wrote:I do not understand the thought process where they think this mealy mouthed, Mormon cultist can best Trump, especially after his failed play for Sec. of State.

Fraud, maybe? But Mittens doesn't have to beat Trump, he can just smear him in the primary and set up for Dem fraud in the general.


It helps to think of the GOP establishment and the Democrats as the UniParty. The UniParty hates Trump. The GOP establishment doesn't care who is in the WH, Republican or Democrat, as long as it is somebody from the UniParty.

Blogger Mr Darcy January 12, 2019 11:46 AM  

@22:

That might work if the Mexican border were the only way into or out of the US. But it's not.

Blogger Gettimothy January 12, 2019 11:59 AM  

@22 Atlantic coast, Gulf Coast, Pacific Coast, Canadian Border, Alaska, either continental redoubt, airspace, the Barnhardt.



Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2019 12:19 PM  

Dave wrote:It helps to think of the GOP establishment and the Democrats as the UniParty. The UniParty hates Trump. The GOP establishment doesn't care who is in the WH, Republican or Democrat, as long as it is somebody from the UniParty.

For the GOP portion of the uniparty, being controlled opposition is optimal, since the Dems take the blame for doing what the GOP wants. Losing the White House beats winning it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2019 12:21 PM  

Robert What? wrote:I voted for Trump but I've never been big on the wall thing. I think future US governments will just as likely use it to keep Americans in as keep foreigners out - in fact more likely.

If you plan to run away, don't wait - go now. We're going to need fund raising help over there when things get sporty over here.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 12, 2019 12:27 PM  

@20 We'll be alright. There are many who've had this far worse. One friend of mine had three before their first child made it. It hurts, but we'll be okay.

Thank you. And if you think my poem might help someone else come to grips with the same, feel free to share it.

Blogger Lance E January 12, 2019 12:29 PM  

Everything the left says is projection, so when they say Trump is panicking, they mean they are panicking.

Their coalition has already started to crack with some of their favorite celebrities and "late show" hosts. The coalition is quite large and they can afford to throw many under the bus, but it's not a good sign for them because they normally maintain (and require) 100% narrative conformance.

As far as I can see, keeping the government shut down is win-win for Trump and lose-lose for Democrats. If Democrats acquiesce, they're humiliated; if they refuse, their party fractures.

The irony is that Democrats are now supposedly trying to pass individual spending bills, i.e. those things called "budgets" that they refused to deal with during the last 2 years. That may help them save face, but also allows funding to be denied to many of their favorite slush funds.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 12, 2019 12:33 PM  

The "wall will keep us in" bullshit is peak libertarian retardery.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 12, 2019 12:35 PM  

The cucked and sold out wing of the GOP will side with the leftocrats on gun control solely to hyperdunk republican votes.

Blogger KBuff January 12, 2019 12:37 PM  

Prayers for your family. God be with you.

Blogger Long Live The West January 12, 2019 12:40 PM  

Building the wall has no downsides.

Blogger DonReynolds January 12, 2019 12:52 PM  

I wish the wall on the border were not necessary, but it is made necessary because of the refusal of the Federal government to enforce the laws of this country and the willingness of too many employers and landlords to profit from the illegal aliens. Nobody wants to say NO and too many are willing to sell out their own country to make a buck or two. Enforcing the law is now considered "mean" and "hateful" toward law breakers....it could even be considered discriminatory against criminals. That is why the wall is necessary.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 12, 2019 12:53 PM  

The Democrat coalition is beginning to fracture.

Now is the time for the God-Emperor to ratchet up the demands.

"I am altering the deal. Pray that I do not alter it further."

Blogger Johnny January 12, 2019 1:16 PM  

>>I do not understand the thought process where they think this mealy mouthed, Mormon cultist can best Trump...

What they like about Romney is that he is safely mediocre. Not dangerous like Hillary, but otherwise bloody useless. A caretaker president if he gets in.

The left, apparently, can't figure Trump out because their slanders lack the certain ring of truth needed to give traction. I don't know if Trump is brilliant, but he is certainly not stupid, and he has an obvious talent for manipulating people. Plus it is not really true that he is erratic or childish or reacts on the spur of the moment. He does talk that way, shoots from the lip one might say, but is actions are calculating and often delayed. He likes to throw out possibilities and then waits for the response. His actions only seem sudden because he does not give an advanced signal as to when he intends to act. That part of it just happens.

My take on Trump is that he does not actually like this confrontation over the wall, but feels pressured into it by circumstance. And I think he is correct about that. The thing on a symbolic level has become too important to pass on.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 12, 2019 1:31 PM  

@13 He doesn't have to. Lenders have been through these shutdowns before, they have pop-up trucks doing payday lending as needed for those who can't miss even a single paycheck.

Nobody's hurting yet. Not even close.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 12, 2019 2:08 PM  

Long Live The West wrote:Building the wall has no downsides.
This isn't true, there are two related downsides:
(1) A false sense of security; the "but tunnels!"/"but ladders!" crowd are right in that a simple wall is fairly easily defeatable -- we need the will to enforce the national-sovereignty the wall represents: without the will to actually enforce immigration-law or turn back invasions the wall is absolutely useless. Period.
(2) Related to the false sense of security, human nature being what it is, many people will be tempted to think "we've done it!" (and we don't need to do more.), which will undermine the will to enforce our sovereignty.

But the issues underlying these problems would be applicable in any case: even if we did absolutely nothing there's the normalcy-bias tempting us to think "this is fine" (though it obviously isn't to those of us who can see).

DonReynolds wrote:I wish the wall on the border were not necessary, but it is made necessary because of the refusal of the Federal government to enforce the laws of this country and the willingness of too many employers and landlords to profit from the illegal aliens. Nobody wants to say NO and too many are willing to sell out their own country to make a buck or two. Enforcing the law is now considered "mean" and "hateful" toward law breakers....it could even be considered discriminatory against criminals. That is why the wall is necessary.
This is absolutely correct. It's interesting how this "don't be mean!" seems to only apply to others [non-americans] and not actual-Americans: it's as if, functionally, the big powers [govt., corps., etc.] see the Citizen as a 'nothing' but the foreigner as a 'something'.

Here's an interesting write-up one of the commenters linked to that indicates it was engineered to be this way: Part 1, Part 2.

Blogger Uncle John's Band January 12, 2019 2:27 PM  

@31. Lance E

"Their coalition has already started to crack with some of their favorite celebrities and "late show" hosts."

Yup. You can see the Overton Window moving with this hint of a new "center".

Blogger jandolin January 12, 2019 2:33 PM  

Willard Romney has learned nothing from the 2016 election. The Bush Republican party is dead.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 12, 2019 2:55 PM  

The "wall will keep us in" bullshit is peak libertarian retardery.

Indeed. And that's saying something, considering the competition.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 12, 2019 3:08 PM  

Willard Romney doesnt have anything to learn. The sooner you stop calling them the Stupid Party and start calling them the Washington Generals or the Treason Party, the sooner you will actually start seeing things as they are.

McConnell isn't stupid. He's a duplicitous traitor.

Blogger Garuna January 12, 2019 3:11 PM  

This isn't true, there are two related downsides

Those are just assumptions that we'll just give up after the wall. We won't. The wall will be one of the rare moments where the Right takes back ground that it had lost. It'll give us courage to go after bigger things. For example, the God Emperor is already talking about reducing immigration with his "merit based" offer.

It's all a tug-of-war. We have to pull the country to the wall before we can pull them farther along.

Blogger Garuna January 12, 2019 3:14 PM  

It's all a tug-of-war. We have to pull the country to the wall before we can pull them farther along.

In many ways this is what the Trump presidency is about. Once Trump succeeds, we'll be able to go farther right candidates.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2019 4:13 PM  

In many ways this is what the Trump presidency is about. Once Trump succeeds, we'll be able to go farther right candidates.

It will be a lot easier to get a farther Right candidate elected in 2024, with a wall, than in 2020, without a wall.

Either way, we need to start making plans to elect a farther Right candidate, because Trump won't last forever, and he's not nearly far-Right enough.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 12, 2019 4:47 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Willard Romney doesnt have anything to learn. The sooner you stop calling them the Stupid Party and start calling them the Washington Generals or the Treason Party, the sooner you will actually start seeing things as they are.

McConnell isn't stupid. He's a duplicitous traitor.

There's more truth here than most are willing to admit: the GOP-elite are traitors, both to their base, and in the literal sense. We even saw this in the so-called Iran Deal.

Garuna wrote:This isn't true, there are two related downsides

Those are just assumptions that we'll just give up after the wall. We won't. The wall will be one of the rare moments where the Right takes back ground that it had lost. It'll give us courage to go after bigger things. For example, the God Emperor is already talking about reducing immigration with his "merit based" offer.

It's all a tug-of-war. We have to pull the country to the wall before we can pull them farther along.

You fundamentally misunderstand my post; these are not assumptions, they are (a) human nature, and (b) cultivated, much like the theater put on by the TSA in the name of 'security' and previous "display purposes only" responses we've seen from the government in the past. (eg The Texas "border crisis" a few years ago, the one with [IIRC] Glenn Beck and Ted Cruz visiting the kids with soccerballs and teddy bears, where the TX Governor called up the National Guard.) -- Again, let me reiterate, we in the US have been bombarded with brainwashing cultivating [the natural human folly of] complacency.

It's all a tug-of-war. We have to pull the country to the wall before we can pull them farther along.
In many ways this is what the Trump presidency is about. Once Trump succeeds, we'll be able to go farther right candidates.

Oh, I fully agree. And we're going to need people who are "more extreme" -- in particular, it would be best if we could get someone succeeding Trump who is ultra anti-corruption.

Longtime Lurker wrote:President Trump is now fighting on the political equivalent of death ground.
Perhaps*; would you care to elaborate?

* Given the Uni-party model, destroying the 'Democrats' isn't going to do much because there's still the 'Republicans' and vice versa; what's really needed, IMO, is to force them to reveal themselves as literal traitors and start using A3S3 to rid the body politic of them, preferably via public execution.

Blogger Up from the pond January 12, 2019 4:55 PM  

The GOP establishment loves its boy sex, drugs, drug businesses, expanded temporary customer base, and slave labor (aka "cheap labor") too much to honor their oaths to protect and defend the county. Executions for treason are the only cure of the cancer called the GOP Establishment.

Blogger Up from the pond January 12, 2019 4:56 PM  

*country. County too, of course.

Blogger Up from the pond January 12, 2019 5:18 PM  

@22:

http://martianmagazine.com/comic/to-cuck-perchance-to-dream/

Blogger Robert What? January 12, 2019 5:33 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd,

I'm an older dude and my family are all here. Otherwise I would leave. When the Democrats get the trifecta again (Senate, House and Executive) the US will become a gulag.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 12, 2019 5:59 PM  

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 12, 2019 6:53 PM  

OneWingedShark,

One benefit of growing up JBS is knowing where these fuckers like Romney and McConnell come from.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2019 7:01 PM  


I'm an older dude and my family are all here. Otherwise I would leave.


Same here. There's no place to run to anyway.

When the Democrats get the trifecta again (Senate, House and Executive) the US will become a gulag.

So,we better have a plan to prevent that, and a backup plan.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 12, 2019 7:12 PM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:@48: A3S3? What is that? A jazz chord?
A3S3, shorthand for Article 3, Section 3 [of the US Constitution] which reads:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.


For the uninitiated, consult Sun Tzu - Art of War - for the concept of a death ground strategy. See also Robert Greene - 33 Laws.
I hadn't heard of Robert Greene; I'll look into him.

OWS, by forcing a high stakes fight on wall funding, Trump is forcing the Republican faction into a simple choice: Victory or death. If the Reps lose their nerve and cuck out, they will be slaughtered in 2020, right along with the president. If they stand firm, which is the only sensible choice IMHO, then the Democrats face the following choice: Accept a prolonged shutdown while attacking the president from the moral low ground. If successful, Trump may be able to achieve what no Republican president has been able to achieve, the complete sundering of the uniparty.
Possibly; but what I'm suggesting is to double-down on this: force/trick the Traitors to unmasking themselves, and then deal with them quickly, publicly, and lethally.

Consider, for a moment the reaction to the President publicly recognizing the 'migrant caravan' for the invasion it is, ordering lethal force to keep them out, and the expulsion of all non-naturalized nationals from the caravan's constituent nations (see 50 USC 21)... the MSM would be hysterical, the Congress would jump on impeachment, and... what do you call trying to remove the Commander-in-Chief for upholding his non-optional duty to protect the States from invasion but "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"?

Blogger Dirk Manly January 12, 2019 7:43 PM  

@2

"This is the hill on which I want to die."

Screw that.
This is the hill I want Parkinson's Pelosi and Schmuckie Schumer to die on.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 12, 2019 8:14 PM  

@56: A3S3. Check.

Re traitors. Not sure executing them would be a good idea (martyr making and all that). But it sure would feel good!

That said, the option you posit obviously would require the emergence of a renewed caravan threat. Assuming such a threat materialized, and it might, then management of public opinion and civil-miltary relations become exceedingly critical. As of right now, there are no bona fide U.S. miltary combat units on the border (that I know of).

To set up the endgame as you posit, said units will have to be sent to the border and rules of engagement adjusted to permit use of lethal force.

This process will give the Democrats plenty of time to go all-out for impeachment. In response, I sense that Trump might warn the Democrats that an A3S3 response will be forthcoming if they do.

If the Democrats refuse to back down, then the big question becomes will the American public see it Trump's way or not. If yes, then obviously Trump will prevail, but if they do not, then what?

Blogger SciVo January 12, 2019 11:51 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:The "wall will keep us in" bullshit is peak libertarian retardery.

I subscribe to the Rorschach Doctrine anyway.

Blogger SciVo January 13, 2019 12:01 AM  

Johnny wrote:The left, apparently, can't figure Trump out because their slanders lack the certain ring of truth needed to give traction.

They have fallen into the classic trap of habitual liars: if they can convince themselves first then they'll be more convincing; but the more self-lies they wrap around their mind, the more detached they become from reality, until the only person fooled is themselves. I assert that this exact dynamic is also true of a thought-control cult (considered as a singular metaperson), and has happened to SocJus.

Blogger DonReynolds January 13, 2019 12:57 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:@56: A3S3. Check.

Re traitors. Not sure executing them would be a good idea (martyr making and all that). But it sure would feel good!

As of right now, there are no bona fide U.S. miltary combat units on the border (that I know of).



The only remaining regular Army Armored Division, the First Armored Division, is parked at Fort Bliss, Texas....also known as El Paso, across the river from Mexico, and in the middle of the Mexican border. There is a good highway that leads straight to Mexico City.

If that is not enough, the First Cavalry Division is parked at Fort Hood, Texas....about five hours from the Mexican border at Kileen, Texas.

The Marine Air Station at Yuma, AZ, and Luke AFB, AZ, and Nelis AFB, NV, Edwards AFB, CA, Hill AFB, UT, all have deployed the new F-35 5th Generation fighter....all convenient to the Mexican border.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 13, 2019 4:03 AM  

@40

"This isn't true, there are two related downsides:
(1) A false sense of security; the "but tunnels!"/"but ladders!" crowd are right in that a simple wall is fairly easily defeatable -- we need the will to enforce the national-sovereignty the wall represents: without the will to actually enforce immigration-law or turn back invasions the wall is absolutely useless. Period."

I can run across an open border in seconds.

Every foot of border takes only a few minutes to construct.

Digging a tunnel underneath a border takes weeks.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 13, 2019 4:36 AM  

And dragging a ladder into the middle of nowhere is NOT an easy chore, unless you're in a vehicle.

By the way, for all of the "Barriers don't/won't work" crowd: Do you keep your cash in a pile in the front yard, or do you deposit it in a bank, savings & loan, or credit union where they keep their cash-on-hand in a vault?

I mean, every vault can be broken into, therefore, vaults don't work. So why do you bother?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 13, 2019 8:07 AM  

The Wall is the beginning of the contest for the moral level of this conflict, if we dominated the moral level as we should at least IMO we could put up a sign instead that said "Fuck Off" and save the money for the machine guns for everyone program especially a 240B with ammo for me.

Blogger Paul M January 13, 2019 8:47 AM  

You have to wonder, though, why he didn't do it when congress was majority republican.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 13, 2019 10:34 AM  

Paul M wrote:You have to wonder, though, why he didn't do it when congress was majority republican.

Trump is a planner; he has a plan. That doesn't mean we'll like it.

Whatever Trump's purpose in waiting until now, he has given the House GOPe traitors cover: they can pretend to support Trump and MAGA without upsetting their Leftist masters, because now their votes don't matter. Either that was his intent, or it was acceptable to him.

Either way, we hired him to do his thing for 4 years, and he has two more years on his contract. If he delivers on the wall, I'm ready to vote for him again in 2020, barring any more gun control.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 13, 2019 10:37 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:The Wall is the beginning of the contest for the moral level of this conflict, if we dominated the moral level as we should at least IMO we could put up a sign instead that said "Fuck Off" and save the money for the machine guns for everyone program especially a 240B with ammo for me.

The savings from the wall will pay for a great many machine guns, and oodles and gobbins of ammunition for them. Now to end the NFA.

Blogger James Dixon January 13, 2019 11:05 AM  

> I don't know why he isn't on the phone with some financier types arranging to get furloughed essential govt. workers very low interest loans on pledge of their paychecks to be received after the Govt reopens.

Because doing so would reduce the pressure on the Dem's. Or have you forgotten that the majority of the jobs are in DC and major metropolitan areas that routinely vote for Democrats?

> The media insists that the President is panicking, but a shutdown literally inflicts pain on everyone he hates and gives him further excuse to deregulate the parasite government. Why on Earth wouldn't he drag this out?

Exactly. It would only be better if more of the government were shut down.

> You have to wonder, though, why he didn't do it when congress was majority republican.

He tried. Too may cuckservatives don't want a wall. The same reason we never got it under Bush, Jr. (Jr. being the cuckservative in chief).

Blogger liberranter January 13, 2019 6:37 PM  

If the shutdown continues I wouldn't be shocked if the deep-state engineer a false flag. They would then blame it on Trump because they'll say something like "if the TSA had full funding then this could have easily been prevented."

Yup. Count on it. It would fool no one with an IQ north of the profound retardation level, but that hasn't stopped them before and won't stop them now that the GE has maneuvered them into a corner and they're desperate.

Blogger SirHamster January 13, 2019 9:28 PM  

SciVo wrote:Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:The "wall will keep us in" bullshit is peak libertarian retardery.

I subscribe to the Rorschach Doctrine anyway.


For those who see this as cutting off their line of escape, good.

Now that your back is to the wall, it's victory or death.

Blogger Robert Buchanan January 14, 2019 4:25 AM  

declaring a national emergency to build the wall without a new stream of cash from Congress

I don't understand why this wasn't a fait accompli by mid-2017.

Blogger Luke (alias "Lines With Chrome") January 14, 2019 11:21 PM  

Romney’s big problem in 2012 was that he made being a billionaire seem remarkably... lame.

Blogger James Dixon January 15, 2019 8:36 AM  

Speaking of another caravan: https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-migrant-caravan-leaves-honduras-for-journey-to-us-border

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