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Wednesday, February 06, 2019

76 percent approval

The news media is in shock:
CBS News and CNN released instant polls taken immediately after President Trump’s State of the Union address with both polls finding 76 percent of those who watched approved of the speech. The CBS poll 72 percent approved of Trump’s immigration proposals while the CNN poll showed 76 percent approval with 59 percent “very positive.”
Hence all the civnattery in the State of the Union. The fact that civic nationalism is both incoherent and nonexistent doesn't take away from the fact that it is very, very popular among the electorate, especially the white electorate. And the God-Emperor is, and has always been, a civic nationalist.

This is precisely why I have said, from the days before the South Carolina primary that established him as a serious candidate, that Trump was the best that the USA could hope for, although he would probably not be capable of preserving the USA as a viable, singular political entity. But at least he is moving in the right direction, which marks a sea change in every president since Eisenhower.

What he is accomplishing here is expanding his base, leashing the Republican Establishment, and strangling Never Trump prior to the 2020 election. This will give him more leverage for Building the Wall and Draining the Swamp during that time.

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112 Comments:

Blogger JACIII February 06, 2019 7:50 AM  

It was a masterful performance at precisely the right time. Performance under pressure. TGE got game.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len February 06, 2019 7:51 AM  

Did anything actually happen? No? Then who cares? This whole lame affair has a half-life of maybe 18 hours, less if some faux outrage occurs today. Action not words.

Blogger Peaceful Poster February 06, 2019 7:51 AM  

The moderation and call for unity was fine. The SOTU wasn't the right venue to play to his base. That's what rallies are for.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 06, 2019 7:54 AM  

CivNattery is expressed in the political skit of Liberal Momma and Conservative Papa trying to placate Crying Baby or Tantrum Child and last night it was an old man Trump and feeble old woman and their hopefully last hurrah at hosting the family dinner.

Conservative Twitter is all a flutter over what this is doing for minorities, so damn my cold white heart for asking, what have minorities done for me?

Blogger dienw February 06, 2019 7:59 AM  

@4 Mr. MantraMan
Instapundit writers are cleaning ejaculate off their khakis.

Blogger Nate February 06, 2019 8:04 AM  

Civic nationalism just means some small amount of the brown people get to stay.

Blogger Tank February 06, 2019 8:04 AM  

A superbly crafted and delivered speech. Don't forget the alt right, or dissident right, or VD right, is about 3% of the USA. A speech that we would like would have a general approval rating of 3%. That's not going to help us. Trump is doing, or trying to do, about as much as can be done at this time with this electorate. We're going to have to change a lot of minds to get the kind of speech we would like approved by a majority of even white Americans.

Blogger Rick February 06, 2019 8:06 AM  

He said “I want immigration to be the highest it’s ever been..”

Want.

I’ve framed points similarly. Eg “I want everyone to get a million dollar raise...but it just ain’t happening..”

That’s what I heard. Want.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 06, 2019 8:10 AM  

Yeah Nate about that post of yours, that is the usual conservative tough talk I have heard for decades, literally decades. If Conservative Papa were to be asked to ask the simple question of what have the precious brown people done for Americans he would flinch because he knows that Big Momma Liberal will scold him for the usual babble of isms, ists and phobias and then CP would slink back to his man cave to watch sports.

Blogger Rick February 06, 2019 8:16 AM  

Wasn’t his campaign theme song “You can’t always get what you want..”

Blogger tublecane February 06, 2019 8:17 AM  

The civic nationalism doesn't bother me that much in this conrext, because it's mostly puffery. (U-S-A!) Though I distinctly dislike legal-immigratiomania. What I look for is where he nudges the window on the Big Four Issues (Wall, Swamp, Empire, Trade). This he did well.

That time by mandate must be alloted to blacks, womenz, Jews, and so on is disappointing. (More women working than ever before is a good thing how?) But at least he made the white jackets appear foolish.

Blogger dienw February 06, 2019 8:17 AM  

The Hegelian poles have shifted; our choices are now between Socialism and Communism; whatever remains of the Right is beyond the pale; but,the Neocons are happy as they are now within their true milieu.

If you want your kids to have a chance in life, follow Vox's example. Quickly.

Blogger tublecane February 06, 2019 8:20 AM  

@8- That's not a good thing to want.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 06, 2019 8:20 AM  

"America will never be Socialist Country."

Sandersnista and Occasional-Cortex looked they were trying not to vomit.

They have avoided being in a world where anyone can say that to them.

Blogger Lazarus February 06, 2019 8:21 AM  

Don't Call Me Len wrote:Did anything actually happen? No? Then who cares? Action not words.

Someone photo-shopped Klan hoods on all the Vestal Virgins, so there's that.

Blogger Jo K February 06, 2019 8:24 AM  

@2 "Did anything actually happen? No? Then who cares? This whole lame affair has a half-life of maybe 18 hours, less if some faux outrage occurs today. Action not words."

I hate to say it, but Len sure is right.

Blogger Lazarus February 06, 2019 8:28 AM  

Jo K wrote:I hate to say it, but Len sure is right.

It was a speech, not a cage match.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 06, 2019 8:29 AM  

Does Trump's reign all boil down to Ivanka not getting a good d*cking from that lame ass husband of hers?

Blogger FUBARwest February 06, 2019 8:31 AM  

"I hate to say it, but Len sure is right."

What you want not happening =/= something not happening. The thread alone is proof.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 06, 2019 8:31 AM  

"It was a speech, not a cage match."

I want a cage match, but if a speech we must have, let it be a good speech rather than one adulterated by cage match.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 06, 2019 8:32 AM  

The never Trumpers were/are scumbags, did they actually have any articulated reason to go against the guy. Worse than the Democrats & Socialists.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 06, 2019 8:32 AM  

And what the hell was going on with the Democrat women dressing all in white? Said, everyone in the country.

Actually, I now know what they were doing and it was lousy rhetoric.

When you have to Google for an answer, it's lousy rhetoric.

They should have worn the Red Cloak and White Wimple of a Handmaiden.

Sure it would have looked stupid as hell and most of those women are decades past their child bearing years.

But at least everyone would have understood at glance what they were trying to say.

The average emotional reaction was, why are they all wearing white? Ah f4uck it, don't care.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 06, 2019 8:36 AM  

The never Trumpers were/are scumbags, did they actually have any articulated reason to go against the guy. Worse than the Democrats & Socialists.
The Never-Trumpers have always been socialists.
If you don't believe me, just go look at the types of bills someone like Ben Sasse has submitted.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville February 06, 2019 8:39 AM  

I think the speech was mainly about positioning the public towards what he must do in nine days. It is clear that the House will not cooperate on the wall, so Trump has established himself as the reasonable man in the room forced to do things the hard way.

There is no way he'd give that ten day warning to Congress last night unless he was fully prepared to follow through. It would his political end if he didn't.

Blogger Silly but True February 06, 2019 8:48 AM  

Elizabeth Warren proves Trump’s thesis that immigration is good.

With Elizabeth Warren proving in her own handwriting she self-identifies with America’s own indigenous ignorant half-savages, she all but has to acknowledge that her own People were raised up by later European immigrants into prosperity.

It was not her high-cheekboned Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great (x250) Cherokee Grandfather who crossed the Siberian Ice Bridge into America and settled there who built the Harvard she was able to later exploit. It was her Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great (x250) Welsh-Irish Grandmother who wandered southwest to settle Europe first then boat over to Oklahoma a few thousand years later who produced the institutions and culture she has involved herself in.

It is the greatness and inclusivity of Trump’s America that has given this Native person the prosperous life she mow enjoys.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 06, 2019 8:49 AM  

Did anything actually happen? No? Then who cares?

People who aren't rhetoric-deaf sperges.

Immigrants are like congressmen: most people don't like them as a group, but make an exception for a few local ones. They're fine with getting rid of all the ones they don't know, but they want to make an exception to keep their gardener, or that nice couple at church, or the family that runs their favorite restaurant. That's why they have to be coddled with rhetoric about how of course we don't want to get rid of them ALL, not the "good ones." As long as they have that to reassure themselves that they're not racists, they'll continue to support getting rid of the bulk of them, building the Wall, and stopping the influx. In the meantime, we can keep expanding the definition of "the bulk of them."

As long as we're still fighting this in the political arena and not shooting at each other, that's the best we can get, and it's a huge improvement over a few years ago when it was a hate crime to say we should deport anyone at all.

Blogger ZhukovG February 06, 2019 8:52 AM  

As I said, operationally speaking, this was a pretty good SOTU. It helps create an environment in which the Alt-Right can advance.

Blogger David Ray Milton February 06, 2019 8:55 AM  

I agree that his speech was good strategy. Nevertheless, the only questions that concern us at this juncture are A) Will Trump start building the wall? (I think “yes” he will) And B) Will Trump continue to have the military build the wall when the Left begins to fight against it for their own survival?

A more distilled question might be, was talking about a wall an election strategy for Trump from the beginning or was it a matter of principle? Because, if it was simply an election strategy, Trump may very well buckle against the opposition so that he can turn to the electorate and say, “Hey guys, I tried. Please elect me in 2020.”

Blogger Johnny February 06, 2019 8:58 AM  

The never Trump are against Trump because they are against us. They are a portion of the electorate that no longer identifies with overall society. As for Trump, my enthusiasm is down, but there is no second choice who can get elected. So, no point in worrying the details. He is the man.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 06, 2019 8:58 AM  

@27

I forget who had the numbers, but they broke down the positive reactions by affiliation, and the independent figure was 82%.

From an observational perspective, objective met, and likely exceeded.

Blogger Rick February 06, 2019 8:59 AM  

13 It’s perfectly fine to want those things. It’s if you want them above all things, which is not good. He said the condition was that they be legal. That’s the grown up view.

There are a great many people who think Trump is a racist etc etc. He just said he wasn’t. Those people want to hear him say it. Eventually they’ll believe it. Look at the other side of the room. Not many people will side with them — protesting all that good news with numbers no one disputes. They look like they hate America and want it destroyed.

Blogger Nathan Bruno February 06, 2019 9:00 AM  

When he orders the wall built by the military as part of his war powers, and a district or circuit court attempts to stop him, he must be prepared to assert that the constitution gives him sole power over waging war, and that he will only take advice from the Supreme Court on such things under advisement. He was 34 Senators.

Blogger DJT February 06, 2019 9:01 AM  

Because, if it was simply an election strategy, Trump may very well buckle against the opposition so that he can turn to the electorate and say, “Hey guys, I tried. Please elect me in 2020.”

I think he's pivoting to do that very thing. Is it any surprise that the wall setbacks coincide with this sudden push since the new year to have mainstream appeal?

Trump never cared about normies before, because he knew normies agreed with him. I don't know what this strategy is.

Blogger Iron Spartan February 06, 2019 9:02 AM  

"Did anything actually happen? No? Then who cares?"

This is what it sounds like when you are addicted to losing.

All or nothing positions always end with you getting nothing. It was movement in a positive direction. Rome was not built in a day. This idea that 100 years of movement towards slavery can be suddenly reversed in a single nights is lunacy at best.

Blogger Salt February 06, 2019 9:03 AM  

marks a sea change in every president since Eisenhower

Given the socio/economic trends in play, is it sufficient to avoid an Ultra coming to power either within the political sphere or merely a charismatic figure?

Blogger Robert Browning February 06, 2019 9:04 AM  

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:The never Trumpers were/are scumbags, did they actually have any articulated reason to go against the guy. Worse than the Democrats & Socialists.The never Trumpers do not want a Mideast peace and are doing everything they can to undermine Trumps peace proposal but they can't tell you that. It would make them look like war lovers.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 06, 2019 9:07 AM  

Is it any surprise that the wall setbacks coincide with this sudden push since the new year to have mainstream appeal?
God above with you people that are obsessed with the wall itself.
The wall is only a small portion of the equation.
A wall with poor border enforcement, and most importantly no repatriation of current legal and illegal immigrants means nothing.
The wall could go up tomorrow and could be some beautiful imposing colossus, but if the other tasks aren't met, then it will serve little to no purpose.

Blogger rumpole5 February 06, 2019 9:09 AM  

God Emperor indeed! That ball wasn't just knocked out of the park, I think that perhaps it is in orbit!

Blogger Dr Caveman February 06, 2019 9:10 AM  

The speech worked because it helps fragment the Dems in several ways:
1) High approval rates among independents (80% for the speech) will rattle moderate Dems
2) Those idiot women show up in virgin white but then visibly don't clap when Trump talks about ending sex trafficking and late term abortions, again making the Dems the pro-crime, pro-abortion party
3) showcasing the excellent economy and success with North Korea while the Dems have nothing but open borders and higher taxes so they can buy votes with gibsmedat

Blogger Damn the torpedos February 06, 2019 9:11 AM  

I think we need to remember that this is also the president that asked why we allow people in from shit hole countries

He needs to out civnat the rinos if he wants to win. It just so happens that his brand of civnat includes building the wall and some isolationism, two things that were being prevented from entering the GOP for years.

In the end I agree with the Darklord. Trump is not the man that can save the US. He is however the farthest right candidate the electorate has swallowed and is moving the rhetoric battles to the right. The reason that right now Trump couldn’t win by going full Pinochet is that the voters don’t understand just how bad it is out there. They still think it’s just those gosh darn socialists preventing minorities from being just as America loving as them.

Whether he saves us or not I will always love the God Emperor for reintroducing isolationism to the GOP, for exposing the faggotry of the never trump Shapiro types, and for his genuine love of his base. He’s purple pilled the blue pilled. Now all we need is a few more Covington incidents and a man brave enough to red pill the purple pilled.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 06, 2019 9:11 AM  

Nevertheless, the only questions that concern us at this juncture are A) Will Trump start building the wall?

Right. Ultimately it's actions that matter. But this was a speech. Unless people expected him to call troops in to have everyone arrested, I don't know what "action" people expected last night. Speeches are about rhetoric, and the SOTU in particular is about making most people feel like the president has things headed the right direction. Looks like it was a big success in that.

I'm one of those who would have been fine with him submitting a letter like the old days, or scrapping it altogether to disrespect Congress. One problem with that, though, is that the left/NeverTrump/media is always pushing the narrative that he's not *really* the president. Not just because Russian hackers, but because he's not "presidential." So there's some value in his doing presidential things like giving the speech that people expect the president to give. It reminds Americans he's not just a Twitter troll who lives in the White House.

Blogger Stilicho February 06, 2019 9:16 AM  

The GOPe will be leashed only to the extent they believe Trump can and will use that 76% approval rating against them. One of their first tests of Trump will be to see how far they can expand immigration and foreign worker visas as part of a deal for a very limited wall. Romney is desperate to be the new McCain and will do anything he can to poison the Senate. It's going to be a rough road for Trump to get anything done in Congress. Trump has to be prepared to go the EO route for the wall and other important issues.

Blogger Johnny February 06, 2019 9:17 AM  

Trump is good at playing off people. So much so that he has a history of deliberately aggravating the other side. Whether he caused it or it just happened, the political left has moved a little further left, so Trump has moved closer to the center. That is why he is not huffing and puffing about the wall. He doesn't need to.

Well, practical politics, that's all. And not liking it isn't going to change it.

Blogger Innamorato February 06, 2019 9:24 AM  

100% Approval among the people President Trump really cares about: Jared and Ivanka.

Blogger VD February 06, 2019 9:30 AM  

I don't know what this strategy is.

You've never known what any strategy is except "I quit!" You quit on Trump a long time ago. Why do you think anyone here cares that you're quitting again?

Go hang out with NeverTrump. They're more your style.

Blogger Duh-ave February 06, 2019 9:31 AM  

@42 The EO ploy worked well for Obama but I would would rather he go the Lincoln (who arrested the entire Maryland legislature be fore they could vote on secession) method. Don't forget to arrest all opposition media and judges.
As bad as that will be for the already dead Constitution it will be better than the soon to blossom sequel of the Spanish Civil War. Antifa is armed and marching unopposed.

Blogger pyrrhus February 06, 2019 9:31 AM  

Clever Civ-nattery to disarm Pelosi and please the boobs....Unfortunately, Trump may actually believe this nonsense.

Blogger pyrrhus February 06, 2019 9:33 AM  

@46 Yes, anything that postpones Spanish Civil War II is probably worthwhile, as long as the time is used well.

Blogger Gettimothy February 06, 2019 9:40 AM  

'The never Trumpers do not want a Mideast peace and are doing everything they can to undermine Trumps peace proposal but they can't tell you that. It would make them look like war lovers.'


Agree and amplify.

Congress has the power to declare war. If its war they want make them man up and vote for it.

Shame the chicken-hawk bastards into declaring their damn wars.

Blogger JRR February 06, 2019 9:40 AM  

Trump is King Arthur. He may hold the Republic together for 2 more years, or hopefully, 6, but he is the last Republican president. Stock up, people.

Blogger James Dixon February 06, 2019 9:42 AM  

With this speech, he comes across as the reasonable adult in the room, surrounded by screaming infants.

> Did anything actually happen?

Yes. It was his opening campaign speech for 2020.

> And what the hell was going on with the Democrat women dressing all in white?

They're sending a message that they're all damned yankees.

> ...so Trump has established himself as the reasonable man in the room forced to do things the hard way.

Exactly. He's offered an olive branch. They've turned it down.

... and the independent figure was 82%.

Yep. His base is secure, especially if he starts the wall. He needs the middle ground. With this speech, he took it.

> When he orders the wall built by the military as part of his war powers, and a district or circuit court attempts to stop him, he must be prepared to assert that the constitution gives him sole power over waging war, and that he will only take advice from the Supreme Court on such things under advisement.

Agreed. He needs to put the district courts back in their place.

> All or nothing positions always end with you getting nothing

They always result in you not getting what you want. But sometimes they result in compromises that move things your way. So staking out the extreme ground can be useful.

But this isn't an all or nothing situation. It's a wall versus no wall. There is no compromise to be found. One side must win.

Blogger ZhukovG February 06, 2019 9:44 AM  

@pyrrhus: And each of us should be active in this 'grace' period given to us, not only to prepare personally, but to expand the influence of our real Nation.

Countries exist to serve the Nation. After they have ceased to serve the Nation, their passing should not be mourned overmuch. Rather, our efforts should already be turning towards building a new Country to serve our Nation.

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 06, 2019 9:55 AM  

what have minorities done for me?

- tortillas
- kebabs
- saved you money on grandmas nursing home costs.

Blogger DJT February 06, 2019 9:55 AM  

Go hang out with NeverTrump. They're more your style.

When Trump sees his approval is 76%, he is going to continue going full bore Boomer Civnat.

Silently following the leader is how Catholics got Pope Francis.

Blogger DJT February 06, 2019 9:58 AM  

saved you money on grandmas nursing home costs

A Pajeet woman-doctor almost killed my father when he had a stroke, because she couldn't speak English worth a damn and couldn't read an MRI.

What a wonderful thing these immigrants are!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 06, 2019 9:59 AM  

Lots of dogs bitching about rainbows in this thread.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 06, 2019 10:01 AM  

"Countries exist to serve the Nation. After they have ceased to serve the Nation, their passing should not be mourned overmuch. Rather, our efforts should already be turning towards building a new Country to serve our Nation."

This exactly.

Blogger LES February 06, 2019 10:10 AM  

@26 This is a philosophical struggle between the universalists and the particularists.

Nationalists are concerned about the large numbers of immigrants changing the nation.

Globalists, Democrats and the MSM focus on the poor individual.

Head versus heart. If the heart wins you lose your head.

Blogger tublecane February 06, 2019 10:23 AM  

@58- The individual, yes, but also collectives in the form of "identity" blocs and super-national groups. Especially all of humanity. Anything but Hertitage America.

It's always Rousseau with them: mad flipping and flopping between radical individualism and totalitarian collectivism.

Blogger Ledford Ledford February 06, 2019 10:25 AM  

In a multi-racial empire of 330 million people, you will never get exactly what you want from the Emperor. I never listen to Presidential speeches, but judging from the reactions here, I'm very happy with this one. Best outcome is immigration becomes the defining political issue in the years to come. Best hope for victory.

Blogger SAPPER February 06, 2019 10:27 AM  

Conservatism in the current year is supporting social liberalism to "own the Muslims", selling out the environment to corporations who will kill it and cuck you in the end, and supporting economic freedoms for companies out of pure ideology, which won't even benefit you.

They have used their dog whistle. Go fetch.

On the other hand China and Mexico are clapping.

Blogger Long Live The West February 06, 2019 10:36 AM  

Trump was never going to be the one who saved America. He was merely the first one to start fighting.

The most important thing Trump has accomplished has nothing to do with policy. He has normalized the ideas that it's okay to fight the left, and that some people can't be reasoned with.

As others have said, we are a very small minority, and America isn't yet in a position where it would accept a true Alt Right leader. However, Trump has made it more likely that it will happen in the future.

Blogger Johnny February 06, 2019 10:43 AM  

LES wrote:Nationalists are concerned about the large numbers of immigrants changing the nation.

Globalists, Democrats and the MSM focus on the poor individual.


My take is that you are confusing two different things here. The nationalists are genuinely concerned about immigration. The hard left concern for the lower classes is posturing. We know it is posturing because once they get their support purchased with some sort of handout, they proceed to be indifferent about the actual outcome.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 06, 2019 10:45 AM  

(Groan.) As long as the DJIA is >25,000 and T-bills yield <4% no significant change in course will occur. These are signals of a populace stoned to dreamy somnolence by shared optimism, openness and trust that exceed all precedents.

How else do people simply accept their shops looking like they stepped into a store in Guadalajara? How else does a plurality of people go about their business being ONE PAYCHECK from not covering the rent/mortgage? How else do people blithely place open idiots into Congress? How else do members of the backbone of economic success in the USA accept being displaced, week-by-week, by Dots while the jobs their teenaged kids could work are all occupied by Brown adults who jabber in a foreign language?

How else do parents not PUT HEADS ON PIKES when they discover their kids are being taught about receptive anal intercourse in "health" class?

I remember watching two roommates in college pass the bong until I doubt they could have so much as crawled out of the room even if it was on FIRE. This is how stoned on high social mood are Americans today. It's the foundation for tolerating the utterly intolerable.

The most Trump represents is a slowing of the rate at which this pathological tolerance digs the hole in which we live even deeper. A S-L-O-W-I-N-G. Not a reversal (which is simply not on the menu where we're dining today.)

We're in The Matrix. We're the batteries. The cabal (or Cabal) who rules behind the scenes (a loose, spontaneously-organized conspiracy or a centuries-old, tightly-knit assemblage of dynastic wealth and power, does it matter?) obtains its power from the "current" generated by the movement of money, which we do as a matter of our lives. We all work for, buy from and live on the property of The Company. It's naive to imaging that this or any POTUS will change that.

Blogger S1AL February 06, 2019 10:46 AM  

Did you people learn *nothing* from Nixon's second election numbers?

Blogger dc.sunsets February 06, 2019 10:49 AM  

@58 This is a battle between those whose impulsive mind is steering (each and every Left position) and those whose REASON is strong, such that their deliberative mind can see how pathological is widespread altruism.

It's cat-lady-rescue-hoarders vs the prudent, and the former have been on a roll for my entire life.

Blogger Silly but True February 06, 2019 10:53 AM  

The wall _is_ built. Because it’s not being reported, people just aren’t aware of it.

The Wall — originates with DHS’ 2009 10-year master plan for critical priority areas.

Trump’s steel bollard “fence” design was funded in 2017, and 40 miles have and ate being constructed.

An additional 80 miles of Trump’s steel bollard was funded in 2018 and has projects constructed & being constructed.

Trump’s $5b “shutdown money” is just to complete the final 200 miles of the DHS’s long-term plan.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work

Now the question is why even is Trump rhetorically misrepresenting completed wall.

It’s solely politics: he wants the wall to complete on dl — so he can cut the ribbon by Oct. 2020.

Have no fear — the wall is well underway to completing and will complete before next election.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 06, 2019 10:53 AM  

@65 The DJIA was in rally mode during Nixon's re-election. It was in retreat (hard) afterward and he was thus drummed out of office on what by today's standards were peccadilloes. Then Clinton was in office during a vast asset mania, and he was so teflon that he could behave like the worst-of-the-worst and finish his second term.

Markets move first. Then "events" occur. People mistakenly assume that events move markets but this is demonstrably wrong. It's not markets that move events, its social mood that shows up (in real time) in markets, and social actions (which take time to blossom) show up later...but both markets and actions are "caused" by the same thing.

Blogger Crew February 06, 2019 10:54 AM  

This is why President Trump is going the Civ Nattery path:

Democrats Seek to Work Around the Electoral College

It's a strategy to defeat the Democrats on all fronts!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 06, 2019 11:23 AM  

David Ray Milton wrote:Because, if it was simply an election strategy, Trump may very well buckle against the opposition so that he can turn to the electorate and say, “Hey guys, I tried. Please elect me in 2020.”

The problem with that idea is ``I totally won't wuss out this time'' is pretty weak sauce. He'd get some votes, but he's not going to excite the marginal voters who put him over the electoral edge in 2016.

Blogger Northpal February 06, 2019 11:27 AM  

"expanding his base" "very, very popular among the electorate, especially the white electorate"???HUH???You do realized over 50% of that "White" vote are women, with large amount of millenial thots, baby killers, #metoo's, little boy castrators. affirmative action whores and cat ladies. The only equality they fight is mandatory military duty- NO Selective Service and draft.

"leashing the Republican Establishment, and strangling Never Trump prior to the 2020 election. This will give him more leverage for Building the Wall and Draining the Swamp during that time."???HUH???Kushner, Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, Nikki Haley, Bibi Netanyahu, Saudi princes, the MOST Goldman Sachs Bankers than ANY other President.
What will it take? Jeb Bush as his next running mate???
Trump okie doked desperate White Men into becoming his Desperate House Wives of America.
He's done, if not you will get another 2nd term Cuck ala Reagan/one term elder Bush resulting a Ross Perot type Last Shot before the final curtain call on the long running Washington D.C. hit - "America Home of the Brave".

Blogger Nate February 06, 2019 11:31 AM  

"Yeah Nate about that post of yours, that is the usual conservative tough talk I have heard for decades, literally decades. "

really?

fascinating... tell ya what... find me say.. 3 good quotes from conservatives in the 80s or 90s or 2000s talking about deporting legal immigrants.

Here's a thought sugartits... how about you try not talking out of your ass.

Blogger L February 06, 2019 11:42 AM  

A friend's 9 year-old came home from school recently with a dictionary. Friend looked up "nation" and the definition was: A group of people living within the boundaries of a country.

More newspeak to establish civic nationalism right from the beginning.

Blogger wahr01 February 06, 2019 11:57 AM  

@73

That is a surprisingly accurate definition of "nation" which squares with VD's and others' statements that the USA is no longer one nation but many.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 06, 2019 12:03 PM  

Trump did work in construction and with rent control. I don't know how closer you can get to everyday people. He's also distantly related to Hilary Clinton through the John of Gaunt line, which I thought was interesting. The media mentioned in on Sky news when they thought he was going to lose. Laughably manipulative as they had Sympathy for the Devil playing.

Yeah I suppose those neocon Never Trumpers lining their pockets through war consciously or unconsciously so. Was ace how quickly Trump dealt with ISIS in Iraq. Even if he fails to build the wall, he has no excuse, still did relatively well for the economy and military.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 06, 2019 12:13 PM  

This blog and others have well-established the notion that Civic Nationalism is simply Leftism-lite. This is obvious; the median resident of North America is actually pretty far to the left-of-center under any reasonable definition of "center." We know this by what is called "extreme." Look at what Leftists have put inside their edge of the Overton Window, policies intended to be mandatory and enforced by men with guns, judges and jailers, and marvel at how far left the median is now.

Leftism is IMO a belief that animates behavioral aberration, AKA mental illness. It is the adoption of a mental map to be used for determining action when that map is demonstrably estranged from reality, catastrophically so. It's like a man with a large store of food scheduling daily parties where guests will consume, consume, consume and the host gives no thought to his dwindling supplies even as winter's privations approach.

Today's Poster-Child: The "Green New Deal," which is almost a perfect analogue to Stalin's collectivization of farms that lead to the Holodomor. Its prominent placement in "the debate" is a testament to Mankind's enduring collective folly.

As with our host, I think it's far too late to avoid the USA's metaphorical Titanic Event. Trump is better than Clinton, but the die is already cast. We will get the future for which our grandparents, parents and neighbors spontaneously consented.

Blogger DonReynolds February 06, 2019 12:26 PM  

SemiSpook37 wrote:@27

I forget who had the numbers, but they broke down the positive reactions by affiliation, and the independent figure was 82%.

From an observational perspective, objective met, and likely exceeded.


Completely agree!

Only a third of the country is reliably Republican and slightly over a third is reliably Democrat. The Independents cast the deciding vote in every single election.

I listen to the STOTU address because it is a planned message to ALL Americans, not just the rivals or the friends. It was not an occasion to appeal to the base. This response from Independents says the speech was a home run.

I thought the speech was marvelous, especially when compared to previous presidents and Donald Trump was an excellent speaker and his delivery had just enough homespun to appeal to the folks, as Obama called them. We have not had a leader like this since Reagan. I am probably the cold hard bastard in the room, but I was moved to tears several times during the speech. It was terrific. There was something in the speech for everybody....friend and foe alike.

I am old enough to remember JFK speaking and he managed to speak in much the same manner, casual yet polite, without being distant or formal. JFK was also a very controversial president and many people disliked him, until he was murdered in Dallas. Nobody in my family voted for him in 1960 and I remember going door-to-door passing out Nixon campaign materials. You could say it was my first campaign...ha ha.

Blogger FP February 06, 2019 12:45 PM  

@dc.sunsets

Yes, its all about the markets, that are gamed all to hell to the point of being meaningless except as propaganda.

"How else do parents not PUT HEADS ON PIKES when they discover their kids are being taught about receptive anal intercourse in "health" class?"

Welcome to the world where parents have no real power in the so called public education system. Either the states have direct control, the feds have bigger influence due to money and bs regulations or the local school districts who do still have majority of control of what is taught face threats of lawsuits from various PC groups, teacher's unions (commies all of them), government, and public PC pushback. Hence you have people shrugging as kids are read to by trannies in public libraries. Welcome to a feminized commie leaning country.

@72 Heh Nate, ten to fifteen years ago one was a racist for just talking about shutting down immigration from latin america because they were living through the hell in the border states. Thats changed as those people now have to live with or near by said immigrants along with losing jobs to them.

The black pilling over this speech has been more annoying than the doom n' gloom over the shutdown ending. Yes, many of the civnat talking points in Trump's speech are tiresome or laughable but I saw many normie right wingers cheering Trump last night on various forums and websites.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz February 06, 2019 1:11 PM  

I think he gains nothing from the pandering while alienating his base. It is impossible to not notice that basically every demographic groups gets the nod, except his base of white males. Had only white males voted, he would have won every state by a large margin. Even commifornia went to Trump in the white male vote. The opposite is true for blacks. He lost every state to blacks. White women voted for Trump too, just not in as high numbers as white males.

What was with the pandering to Jews and decrying antisemitism? As if antisemitism is even number 99 of the problems this country faces. Of course there is bipartisan support to take away our right to boycott a foreign nation!

Trump has surrounded himself with Bush people. Trump was not even aware that they had him nominate an AG whose wife is so close to Mueller, that the press actually had to ask him about the possibility of conflicts of interest.

Blogger Hammerli280 February 06, 2019 1:14 PM  

We have to remember that this speech was not for us. It was aimed at the squishy middle.

I'll add that as a Civic Nationalist, I back a 30-50 year immigration holiday. The nation can absorb only a certain proportion of immigrants, and we are overloaded. Shut the valve, pump out the illegals, and run the fires of the old Melting Pot as hot as they will go.

If you look at American history from the 1600s onward, there is a 60-65 year cycle. 30 years of high immigration, followed by 30 years of low immigration. One effect this had was that when the next wave came in, the children of the last wave really started to think of themselves as natives.

Blogger Sean Carnegie February 06, 2019 1:15 PM  

why are they all wearing white? Ah f4uck it, don't care.

Capitals were at home last night.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 06, 2019 1:16 PM  

America will look great outside my cell door when I'm in prison for not surrendering my semi-automatic rifle.

Blogger spinoza February 06, 2019 1:29 PM  

President Trump will be re-elected like every other Chabad puppet regardless of the progress on fencing or the discussion of it’s funding. America is composed of majority multinational voter population that is too weak to defend territory. They prefer walls to challenges. They value social organization and prefer the expulsion of nonconformists.
A family that cannot defend or support themselves let alone others is not worth protecting or including in an Empire that presupposes obligation to the world in its accounting of resources, this economic issue is being ignored by every representative because they cater to nanny state worshiping journalists like you.
To MAGA we need a law of standardizing duels; mandating the distribution and accurate reporting of the beliefs, morals, and history of involved contestants. Politicians would be exempt from these challenges but that doesn’t mean that they may not have a contestant representing themselves as representatives, and comment freely on the result.
If I could read a candidates opinions on contests like this I may be inclined to vote for a president but invariably I am expected to analyze their invarience, or some God damn MS opinion poll, referring to these kinds of resources is downright intellectual laziness, goodbye

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 06, 2019 1:45 PM  

Goodbye then

Blogger Xiety February 06, 2019 1:53 PM  

Definitely hands on hips.

Blogger Iron Spartan February 06, 2019 1:55 PM  

I will place a $5 bet that next year the dem women do full on The Handmaids Tale cosplay at the next State of the Union.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 06, 2019 1:56 PM  

Oh yeah they will

Blogger SirHamster February 06, 2019 2:32 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Someone photo-shopped Klan hoods on all the Vestal Virgins, so there's that.

What are the odds any of them are actual virgins?

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 06, 2019 2:39 PM  

Trump's "base" isn't "me and everyone to my right." It's the pile of people in the middle of the bell curve of the range of his appeal. It's the people he can count on to stick by him. It's not the fringes, and it's definitely not the people who grudgingly support him day-to-day while constantly looking for a reason to jump ship.

Blogger weka February 06, 2019 2:58 PM  

Nah. Couterrevolution and Trudeau hung as a traitor to the west and for betraying NATO secrets.

Never forget that the district of columbia is parasitic. It is not the states they believe they rule.

The change will come.

Blogger Haxo Angmark February 06, 2019 2:59 PM  

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Blogger Brett baker February 06, 2019 3:54 PM  

Quit black-pilling the black-pillers!:)

Blogger Johnny February 06, 2019 4:05 PM  

>>It’s solely politics: he wants the wall to complete on dl — so he can cut the ribbon by Oct. 2020.

Don't know but easily could be. Voters are ingrates, fix something and you lose it as an issue.

>>I am old enough to remember JFK speaking and he managed to speak in much the same manner, casual yet polite, without being distant or formal.

When it came to interpersonal contact, press conferences and so on, JFK was exceptional. The best I have ever seen. For me Trump's appeal is knowing what to say, not just pushing the Washington line. And yeah, I would say Trump is about Reagan level, and the two of them second to JFK

>>Welcome to the world where parents have no real power in the so called public education system.

More than that, as much as they can, the schools undermine parental control.

Blogger Avalanche February 06, 2019 4:13 PM  

@41 "Unless people expected him to call troops in to have everyone arrested"

I was SOOOOOOO hoping for that!

Blogger OneWingedShark February 06, 2019 5:28 PM  

Johnny wrote:>>It’s solely politics: he wants the wall to complete on dl — so he can cut the ribbon by Oct. 2020.

Don't know but easily could be. Voters are ingrates, fix something and you lose it as an issue.

That's loser/excuse-not-to-try talk! And, not to mention, the entire strategy of the best exponent of "controlled opposition" I can think of: the NRA. — Seriously. Just look at the non-action against the GCA and NFA on the part of the NRA. Just look at their "amicus curiae" which have literally undermined the cause of gun-rights.

And that's the whole reason the Republican party, at least at the national level, is easily considered controlled opposition: Just look at the "we can't do anything!" BS of the Republican party WRT ending abortion. Just look at how they never took a serious stand on keeping the debt ceiling, or even having real budgets instead of that BS "continuing resolution" thing they did during Obama. Just look at how they never did anything against Obamacare despite if being trivial: bring up the point that Roe v. Wade established a constitutional right to privacy [of medical records, in particular] and that the Affordable Care Act mandates that those same medical records be made available to the government! (Then force the Supreme Court to decide on which to get rid of: their beloved Moloch sacrifices, or their strides toward their beloved socialized healthcare.)

Avalanche wrote:@41 "Unless people expected him to call troops in to have everyone arrested"

I was SOOOOOOO hoping for that!

I think he'll need someone who actually sees the corrupt as evil to push him in that direction; as-is, it seems he's much more content and desirous to try to negotiate and compromise than would allow it as a serious option. I very-well could be misreading it, and there are goings-on that are relevant of which I have no knowledge, but I haven't seen the sort of real swamp-draining that could easily be done.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd February 06, 2019 6:05 PM  

I can't believe evil TRUMP using all those women, ex-cons, cancer kids, and Ice Agents to TRY to prove he isn't RAYYYYCCISSSSS!!!!

ARGRGRH!!!

Blogger Off The Wall February 06, 2019 6:05 PM  

News radio in Canada this morning - Stacy Abrams spanks loser Trump after the SOTU address that nobody listened to.

Canadians are smugly self-righteous in their stupid socialism. God help us!

Blogger Meanoldbasterd February 06, 2019 6:08 PM  

I won't be arrested, I'll be dead with an empty rifle next to me, God willing.

Blogger van helsing February 06, 2019 6:48 PM  

spirit of... 76

Blogger CoolHand February 06, 2019 8:38 PM  

@98 Yup. No more freebies.

If they're gonna get 'em, they're gonna work for it.

Blogger Centurion Revolt February 06, 2019 8:52 PM  

Trump needs to go the EO route anyway. Screw Congress .The only way Trump might possibly get a small chunk of the wall through Congress is by caving on everything else.

No deals!

Blogger Lovekraft February 06, 2019 8:53 PM  

The age of Identity Politics means the struggle is getting more people to identify with your side, thus the rabid feminism, BLM etc. Our side has been portrayed as woodshed sadists, basically. Then there's the middle that is being lured.

Trump can reach through to those under the left's identity vapidness but it isn't going to be easy. Culturally, the left is offering hiphop/rap, sportsball and glamour. But beyond that..well, watch a few Molyneux videos to know that they are sucking at the dark money and tax theft teat.

Blogger Centurion Revolt February 06, 2019 8:55 PM  

That just reminds me that Lincoln was a horrible president

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel February 06, 2019 9:02 PM  

@62

"Trump was never going to be the one who saved America. He was merely the first one to start fighting."

Actually, he's the first one to speak about saving America. So far his wins have been non-MAGA things and some stuff (speaking as a CPA) such as tax bill which has aspects to it that are anti-MAGA.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 07, 2019 12:25 AM  

@46

"Antifa is armed and marching unopposed. "

Antifa doesn't have the slightest clue how to fight against actual opposition.

They have not trained for it.
They haven't faced it.

Their movements indicate that they have absolutely no clue about how to execute small-unit tactics in the face of any hostility.

They don't display any concept of moving to contact.

They display no concept of how to react TO contact.

Blogger wahr01 February 07, 2019 5:06 AM  

@104

"So far his wins have been non-MAGA things and some stuff (speaking as a CPA) such as tax bill which has aspects to it that are anti-MAGA. "

That's actually a HUGE long-term strategic victory.

Blue states are now forced to bear the burdens of their own socialist policies rather than pushing their taxes upon the federal debt ledgers through SALT deductions.

Assuming the cuck brigade doesn't restore these deductions, and properly guards them, blue states will be forced to cave on fiscal policy or go bankrupt.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 07, 2019 8:17 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Antifa doesn't have the slightest clue how to fight against actual opposition

Where is that etffective opposition, Dirk?

Dirk Manly wrote:Their movements indicate that they have absolutely no clue about how to execute small-unit tactics in the face of any hostility.

They don't display any concept of moving to contact.

They display no concept of how to react TO contact.


Will that ever matter? The DoJ has their backs.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 07, 2019 2:18 PM  

Have you seen the videos of Antifa's scuffles with the Proud Boys? Every engagement in which there was actual contact, Antifa was geting their clocks cleaned by the PBs.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 07, 2019 2:36 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Have you seen the videos of Antifa's scuffles with the Proud Boys? Every engagement in which there was actual contact, Antifa was geting their clocks cleaned by the PBs.

So what?

Antifa sticks to the deep blue cities where the cops will support them, so they really don't need to be able to take care of themselves. DoJ will persecute anyone who effectively fights back, so again, they really don't need to be able to take care of themselves.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 07, 2019 10:01 PM  

"
Antifa sticks to the deep blue cities where the cops will support them, so they really don't need to be able to take care of themselves. DoJ will persecute anyone who effectively fights back, so again, they really don't need to be able to take care of themselves."

And the Proud Boys is still beating their asses.

It's pretty bad for Antifa when they can't even win on their home turf.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 07, 2019 10:32 PM  

Dirk, the whole point is that it doesn't matter that they can't win a fight. You have a way of getting your facts completely right, and your conclusions completely wrong. Those damn trees hide the forest
from you every time.

Antifa is not useful to their funders because they win fights, or the funders would be hiring fighters. Antifa provides fodder for the propaganda machine, excuses for cops to attack the right, and probably other benefits. Losing fights is more asset than problem for those purposes.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 08, 2019 10:46 PM  

@111
Antifa is not useful to their funders because they win fights, or the funders would be hiring fighters. Antifa provides fodder for the propaganda machine, excuses for cops to attack the right, and probably other benefits. Losing fights is more asset than problem for those purposes.

Exactly.
See also:

Why does antifa typically place women in front when they attack?

Does US law enforcement ever use anything like the kind of tactics against antifa that the French cops are currently using against the Yellow Vests? What would be the media reaction if they did?

Why do the antifags chant "Cops and Klan go hand in hand"... when the truth is clearly the opposite?

Now that the neo-"conservatives" have targeted Maduro's government for regime change, can we expect to see the antifags marching in the street in support of their putative "socialist brothers" in Venezuela, and in opposition to muh evil capitalist imperialism anytime soon?
Hint: No.

Etc.

As you noted, the primary purpose of antifa attacks is to respond to any public gathering of white political dissidents in such a way as to:
--provide a basis for a media narrative about "white supreemists" and naught-sees.
--initiate violence that can then be used as a basis for prosecuting and imprisoning political dissidents.

Any direct physical intimidation/ beat downs of their targets are largely a bonus for the antifags. It's not the primary purpose of these tactics.

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