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Monday, February 11, 2019

Just do it already!

The God-Emperor is again threatening to declare a state of emergency in order to build the wall:
President Donald Trump gave his strongest indication yet Friday that he will soon declare a state of emergency, bypassing the need for congressional approval to fund a controversial US-Mexico border wall.

Trump hinted in remarks at a White House meeting on cross-border trafficking that a declaration -- which would further heat the political temperature around the issue -- could even come in his State of the Union speech to Congress next Tuesday.

"Well, I’m saying listen closely to the State of the Union, I think you’ll find it very exciting," Trump said.

"I’m certainly thinking about it," he said of declaring the emergency. "I think there’s a good chance we’ll have to do that."

Trump's threat comes well before the expiration of a Feb. 15 deadline that he set for Congress to agree on funding for wall construction. But on Thursday he described negotiations with opposition Democrats "a waste of time."
Negotiations with Democrats are always a waste of time. So don't waste time on it! Just Drain the Swamp and Build the Wall!

Enough bark. More bite.

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134 Comments:

Blogger Peaceful Poster February 11, 2019 8:08 PM  

Build it and they won't come.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar February 11, 2019 8:14 PM  

I thought the God Emperor Carnevale float was great.

https://milnenews.com/2019/02/10/the-story-behind-god-emperor-trumpat-viareggio-carnevale/

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 8:15 PM  

Incoming female worrying, hopefully it's inane. I think by not going hard on his word, by not keeping his solemn oath on which he was elected, he is flanking the good citizens. I'm afraid that he's leaving the good citizens who voted him exposed. You better believe the seditious and quislings among you are banking on his promises being a bluff.

Blogger Edgar Abbey February 11, 2019 8:19 PM  

There isn't even a need to declare a state of emergency. Just send the SeaBees or the Army Corps of Engineers to the border and put them to work. Let the courts issue an order to stop work. Who is the Commander in Chief, Chief Justice Roberts?

Blogger Dave February 11, 2019 8:22 PM  

We may hear more at tonight's MAGA Rally (9pm EST) in El Paso, TX. Trump definitely feels buoyed by the polls after the SOTU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wmqy5_8kzg

Blogger Lazarus February 11, 2019 8:24 PM  

He already knows how he will have to build the wall, he just has to establish beyond a doubt that the dems are simply obstructionists who don't want to stop illegal immigration because that is their voter base.

Blogger tz February 11, 2019 8:24 PM  

Optics is rhetoric with timing.
He might wait until the next shutdown, then blame the Democrats for stonewalling (pun intended), declare the emergency, and say it is off the table so send him a sane budget - the wall is being built whether through ordinary funding means or not.

It might have been far easier if he just vetoed the CR last March (or the subsequent times before the election) and ripped Paul Ryno apart by calling him a failed speaker, calling on him to resign and be replaced with a more cooperative Republican.

Blogger Gastguma February 11, 2019 8:26 PM  

This is from a couple weeks ago isn't it? Before the State of the Union. I don't think Trump is going to play the negotiation card again. I don't know why he has to declare an emergency anyway. Just tell the military to build it. How can a judge stop him?

Blogger tz February 11, 2019 8:26 PM  

Somewhere in this are the FEMA camps or Arpaio type Tent detention cities (note how the Dems want to limit numbers, not spending). There should also be an ICE CPS that rips kids from whomever is claiming to be their parents for endangering and abusing them. If any Citizen did to their children what illegals do, they would lose custody permanently.

Blogger Damn the torpedos February 11, 2019 8:29 PM  

Next step: quadruple the size of ICE

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 11, 2019 8:31 PM  

Just tell the military to build it. How can a judge stop him?

If the military says, "Sorry, we can't do it, a judge overruled you." Then what?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 11, 2019 8:32 PM  

Maybe he is prodding the Ds into a total meltdown

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 8:35 PM  

If this were a relationship Trump would be the one who keeps promising not to cheat on you, but your frenemies are telling you they saw Trump at girls' night every night for the last year while you keep taking him back.

I just had an interesting interaction with the rep from the Canadian Federal Conservatives I think demonstrates the blasé attitude on this continent.

>Hi, it's Sarah from the Conservative Party.
Can the Conservative Party count on your support in the next federal election?
Reply:
Yes
No

>>No. Not unless you plan to stop all immigration PERMANENTLY.

>No problem, we will remove you from our list. Thank you for your time.
Lisa

>>So you're not actually interested in what members have to say unless they agree? W T F

How can Americans trust Trump on this? My point is no one can trust the Federal electoral system on this continent (in the Anglo sphere). What new news do we have about arrests of human traffickers, seizing their assets? The Arizona trafficking camp? MS 13 arrests in Staten Island and Long Island? Nothing! Fake news!

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 8:38 PM  

>Optics is rhetoric with timing.

Yes but I figure it's irrelevant. Let me try and explain why.

Managing optics is what's used when you don't have high ground. He can manage optics through the building but not before it. Optics are not used to set up expectations. They are used to shift perception on something ongoing or that already happened.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 11, 2019 8:44 PM  

How can Americans trust Trump on this?

What will you do differently tomorrow if you don't?

There's too much day-to-day sperging and fretting about whether we can trust him, encouraged by the blackpillers who would love to skim off enough of his support to knock him out in 2020 so they can say they told us so. He's going to do the job we elected him to do, or he's not. If you voted for him, you might as well support him until he's done, because you don't get to revote every day. There will be time enough to fret about trust when the next election gets here.

Blogger Up from the pond February 11, 2019 8:50 PM  

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Blogger Up from the pond February 11, 2019 8:52 PM  

Better ask the usual suspects for their opinion on the Wall.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

"A country of money" is Francisco d'Anconia's term for the U.S.A., in Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged." In a country of money, a super-rich casino owner, for example, determines whether our nation will have borders or not.

Free minds, free markets! And no nation or representation for the citizens who pay for it all with blood, taxes, destroyed futures, ruined lives.

But what's the fuss? Trump has said that we have been building the Wall all along. He has tweeted numerous times that the Wall is already under construction! Is this the line he'll take tonight? Gosh, I hope not.

Blogger Ron February 11, 2019 8:52 PM  

Ask Andrew Jackson.

Blogger Up from the pond February 11, 2019 8:53 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:If you voted for him, you might as well support him until he's done, because you don't get to revote every day.

He is our employee. We have the right to review his performance during the whole course of his job, not just when he finishes his current term of employment.

Blogger justaguy February 11, 2019 8:54 PM  

Trump is simply trying to build support for his plan. He has the mainstream media, dems, colleges, and the elite against him. Bush spent time going over the country building support for the Iraq invasion. Trump, realizing that he doesn't even have most of the repub senators with him is trying to build support for the wall and his declaration. It is how the mechanism of our constitutional government is supposed to work-- only to do things when it has large support. Bypassing that large support to do things is one of the main reasons we have most of the problems we do now.

When Andrew Jackson told the SC to stick it and ignored their ruling-- he had the support of the country behind him . the media, cable tv news and others are going to be screaming about Trump seizing power when he declares this emergency-- he needs the people behind him when he does it.

Blogger K G February 11, 2019 8:56 PM  

Women will bitch. They won’t act. Just build it, let them bitch and signal to one another that they are all nice and tolerant, and in a week they won’t remember it even happened. Especially if TGE uses his standard operating procedure of big claim, medium action still well beyond the original small intent that appears conciliatory to the left, then ridiculous claim to draw the media and public eye in a new direction before they have too much time to complain or plan an effective criticism. It’s worked literally every time he implements it, and the only concern their is that there may not be another story big enough to eclipse the wall.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 9:01 PM  

Damelon, I disagree. You have a good question about what might be done differently, but I don't think you mean to say that trust is a result of few or no alternatives. If I don't trust someone who has oaths to me, I do a couple of things. The first thing is to tell them and remind them of the oath. I certainly don't look at my enemies for guidance! The second thing is to remind them of the consequences of betrayal. Up from the pond gets it.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 11, 2019 9:02 PM  

He is our employee. We have the right to review his performance during the whole course of his job, not just when he finishes his current term of employment.

That's true, and not what I'm talking about. But if you spend a chunk of every day fretting about whether one of your employees is about to empty your safe and run off with your secretary, you're doing it wrong. I would say if you're at that stage, you've already decided you don't trust him, and all the drama is just for show.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 9:02 PM  

Although this assumes I have reasonable doubts not to trust. It's wrong to accuse with no merit.

Blogger Othello February 11, 2019 9:07 PM  

He’s not doing this for the hard core. This is all for the 19th amendment vote.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 9:12 PM  

That leads back to the beginning and your question, which I'm glad to see. However, I mean... We only talk about what is scientific right? So...

>When the enemy is close at hand and remains quiet, he is relying on the natural strength of his position. 

Sun Tzu Art of War

Why are the Dems so quiet? My point is that they know something we don't. My answer is that he has to be put on a 30-day performance improvement plan. Or be fired.

Blogger Gastguma February 11, 2019 9:12 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:If the military says, "Sorry, we can't do it, a judge overruled you." Then what?

Is some random judge just going to say it's against the law and, if so, which judge and what law? What judge has jurisdiction over commands given by the Commander-in-Chief to his subordinates? Is there really a judge somewhere that supersedes the President's authority over his military subordinates, and to whom they owe their obedience instead of him?

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 9:14 PM  

>He’s not doing this for the hard core. This is all for the 19th amendment vote.

Women like nothing more than a strong man. This is really basic. No condesention intended but I was legit thinking if he wants women to vote for him he needs to make a strongman show.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 9:16 PM  

Who else is dancing around the obvious? It's probably illegal to speak on.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 9:21 PM  

Bush had to get together a multi-country coalition force to go into Iraq. The first invasion in 2003 had like 4 countries. If it was just a national invasion that would make sense.

Blogger Martin Marprelate February 11, 2019 9:21 PM  

It feels like the Wall will only be a Pink Floyd album at this point.

Blogger DJT February 11, 2019 9:24 PM  

Lindsey Graham-nesty is fully on board with an emergency declaration regardless of how negotiations go, so that's good.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums February 11, 2019 9:28 PM  

Watching his polls hit an all-time high he'll probably want to use that as leverage and will most likely postpone his final solution more.

Blogger Kat February 11, 2019 9:30 PM  

Does anyone know just how much wall has already gone up? I know the military has hardened portions, and contracts have been awarded for other sections.

Blogger Crush Limbraw February 11, 2019 9:35 PM  

A friend just emailed me on this piece I sent him yesterday - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2019/02/we-built-2006-2007-wall-over-100-miles.html - and said that there is something else going on.
Bottom line - there is nothing LEGALLY stopping DaGE - so WTF is it?

Blogger JAG February 11, 2019 9:36 PM  

Gastguma wrote:Damelon Brinn wrote:If the military says, "Sorry, we can't do it, a judge overruled you." Then what?

Is some random judge just going to say it's against the law and, if so, which judge and what law? What judge has jurisdiction over commands given by the Commander-in-Chief to his subordinates? Is there really a judge somewhere that supersedes the President's authority over his military subordinates, and to whom they owe their obedience instead of him?


Yes, some random leftist judge is going to say and do it. You can count on it. If Trump folds on that then the courts truly do rule the country rather than the Executive and Legislative branches.

He has to take a stand, and arrest the judge for rebellion, sedition, treason, or whatever works. Said hypothetical judge must then face a military tribunal as the courts could not be trusted to rule on the limits of their own power.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 9:39 PM  

@Damelon, you asked me a direct question

>What will you do differently tomorrow if you don't [trust Trump]?

I'll do what I've been doing and investing in property in the Rockies foothills that has a quick running creek. Working on getting out of the city and into a small town.

Blogger David Ray Milton February 11, 2019 9:45 PM  

This is pure wishful thinking, but I am wondering if the wall is already being built. Yeah, it’s a long shot, but this grand drama with the Dems would be a perfect distraction. Plus, isn’t a lot of the army down there anyway protecting the border from the horde of invaders? Trump knows that he if he gives the order to build the wall then some judge will stop him. But, it would be much more difficult for a judge to dismantle a wall that’s already been built.

Feb. 15th

Dems: “There’s no way we’re giving you money for the Wall and if you try to circumvent us by declaring a national emergency, then judges will shoot it down!”

GE: “Hey Pelosi, you’re fired. Oh, and I already built the Wall! Look how beautiful it is! And It was under budget and completed ahead of schedule.”

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2019 9:51 PM  

> The God-Emperor is again threatening to declare a state of emergency in order to build the wall:

He's the commander in chief. He doesn't need a declared emergency to order the military to do something. Just do it. Call it training for the next country building expedition.

> There isn't even a need to declare a state of emergency. Just send the SeaBees or the Army Corps of Engineers to the border and put them to work.

Exactly. A state of emergency merely gives them a target for the lawsuit.

> If the military says, "Sorry, we can't do it, a judge overruled you." Then what?

Court martial whoever says it and replace them.

> How can Americans trust Trump on this?

We couldn't. But we could trust Hillary to betray us. Trump was the best available option.

> We have the right to review his performance during the whole course of his job, not just when he finishes his current term of employment.

Yes, but we only have the right to fire him after four years. And who would you replace him with? Ted Cruz?

> Trump is simply trying to build support for his plan.

Yes. He knows there won't be a deal. And Graham begged for the opportunity to get one, so his reputation is on the line. When he's betrayed by the dem's yet again, you'll see Graham 3.0. And the dem's really aren't going to like him.

> Why are the Dems so quiet?

They're not. They've seldom been louder. I don't know what gives you that idea.

> Does anyone know just how much wall has already gone up?

I don't think much, if any, new construction has been done, but large sections of what was already there have been upgraded to actually functional status.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 11, 2019 9:52 PM  

Is there really a judge somewhere that supersedes the President's authority over his military subordinates, and to whom they owe their obedience instead of him?

The law has nothing to do with it; these days it's all about power. The question is whom the military will obey when some judge or court inevitably rules that he can't do it. I don't know the answer to that. They didn't even need a judge's order to blow off his no-tranny order. I assume the president has a better read on how they would react than I do. Unless you do know the answer, it's not as simple as "just order the military to do it."

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2019 9:54 PM  

Oh, and it should go without saying, but if you want Trump to know what you think, contact him: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

No, he won't read it himself. But when enough people say it, he'll get the idea.

Blogger DJT February 11, 2019 9:56 PM  

Word is that the agreement has $1.3 billion for 55 miles of bollard fencing.

Incase you don't know what that is:
https://hofequipment.com/images/products/6956.jpg

Trump sure as hell better not sign it, but throw it back in their face and sign the EO on the spot.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 11, 2019 9:56 PM  

Court martial whoever says it and replace them.

Who runs the courts martial and makes the arrests? Are they loyal to this president?

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it. I'm just saying it's not necessarily simple, and people saying, "It says here in this document that the president has the power" are really out of touch.

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2019 9:57 PM  

> Unless you do know the answer

Failure to follow a direct order is a court martial level offense. He's the commander in chief. Remove the person who refuses the order, court martial him (win or lose, it doesn't matter), and replace him with someone who will follow orders.

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2019 10:00 PM  

> Who runs the courts martial and makes the arrests? Are they loyal to this president?

There is an in place military justice system to handle such cases. You'd have to look the details ask someone who was in the system. I don't know them.

But Trump unquestionably has the right to remove and replace any officer who refuses his orders.

Blogger ZhukovG February 11, 2019 10:02 PM  

So 2020 comes around. The swamps still swampy. The wall is still nothing more the rhetoric.

Who ya gonna vote for?

Hillary's Talking Corpse?
Comrade Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
Jeb 'Please Clap' Bush?

Assuming no viable alternative, I'm voting for President Trump whether there's a wall or not. If only for the joy of grinding it into the Globalists faces.

If only to demonstrate that Nationalism is here to stay and wasn't just a 'flash in the pan'.

Ad Victoriam!, Deo Vindice!, Ave Imperator Trump!

Blogger Crush Limbraw February 11, 2019 10:03 PM  

The fundamental question now is - does Trump KNOW that he is the president with the authority that goes with it?
I'm not kidding!
Lincoln ACTED - when TSHTF - rightly or wrongly - but he ACTED!
For Trump - the campaign is over - he is the president - NOW!

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 11, 2019 10:05 PM  

Watching the rally in El Paso.
Say's we're building a wall no matter what happens.
He' really working the crowd. Lots of Civnat of course, as we can expect. Watch him closely. This is how to deal with the left: you don't argue with the left, you argue against everything the left wants others to think. A kind of "signal bounce".

Blogger DJT February 11, 2019 10:07 PM  

Who ya gonna vote for?

Nobody who voted for Trump is going to vote for a Democrat. Republicans just stay home when they're not happy.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 11, 2019 10:13 PM  

There is an in place military justice system to handle such cases. You'd have to look the details ask someone who was in the system. I don't know them.

I don't either, which is why I think it may be a more open question than people realize. Maybe it'd be fine. Maybe the generals and their justice system would carry out their commander-in-chief's orders without hesitation, if forced to choose sides. I just don't know if I'd bet on it.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 11, 2019 10:19 PM  

So how many multiples of "two days" are we supposed to wait now? I'm up to, let's see . . . roughly 350.

Blogger CoolHand February 11, 2019 10:19 PM  

Good lord are you black pill fools tedious.

I know VD knows better than this, so I won't speculate on his motivations, etc. His past judgement speaks well for him, so he gets the benefit of the doubt. Plus it's his sandbox.

You nancey fools on the other hand, have no such track record to fall back on.

In fact, the ones who aren't new names never seen before (curious, that), have terrible track records indeed, to the point that you being against something nearly guarantees it's the right move.

So whinge me a river, you crying faggots. It'll make your inevitable wrongness that much sweeter in the end.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 10:29 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:Is there really a judge somewhere that supersedes the President's authority over his military subordinates, and to whom they owe their obedience instead of him?

The law has nothing to do with it; these days it's all about power. The question is whom the military will obey when some judge or court inevitably rules that he can't do it. I don't know the answer to that.


Through history, the answer to this has been to find a contingent who are reliable, and personally loyal, then have them purge the traitors. I don't think Trump is willing to do anything like that, even though the constitution he swore to uphold demands it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 10:35 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:Who ya gonna vote for?

Nobody has to vote, period.

Trump gave a bunch of people who had sworn off voting decades before reason to get to the polls in '16. He needs to repeat that performance in '20. ``I won't cuck this time'' probably isn't going to cut it.

Blogger ZhukovG February 11, 2019 10:37 PM  

@CoolHand: Indeed, Vox is just giving voice to what many of us feel. I will stick with the GE regardless.

This is World War III, Nationalists vs Globalists. The GE is just one part of the American Front of a war that is global in scope. The GE will not win the war, neither will he lose it. If the GE helps us, we attack. If the GE fails us, we attack harder.

Ad Victoriam!, Deo Vindice!, Ave Imperator Trump!

Blogger Johnny February 11, 2019 10:53 PM  


I doubt civilian authorities would get into arresting military people if they went ahead with the wall or didn't go ahead, depending. There could develop a domestic law issue related to the use of funds or some such thing.

The military has its own legal system and Military Police. It is the creature of the higher command ranks, and I take it to be a rigged system. Maybe they would charge somebody with something for political cover. Disobeying a lawful order? Miss-allocation of public property?

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 10:53 PM  

Thanks, James. You're right though. They just announced the Big Green PlanTM, so the Dems aren't quiet. I'm wondering more specifically why they aren't shrieking that Trump will build the wall. Well, I guess we know that answer... I'm not very optimistic about this one promise despite a great showing so far.

Blogger Aurelius Gomez February 11, 2019 10:55 PM  

Fair weather Nancie's calm down, the man will not let us down. No one here including Vox could wipe Trumps butt. The man is a lion and will get it done.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 10:56 PM  

That's our JEB!

Blogger CoolHand February 11, 2019 10:56 PM  

@55 Good natured bitching is a time honored tradition amongst those on the front lines, and I'm not calling out folks for that sort of thing. Even I do that.

I'm talking about the oh-so-concerned people who've never posted here before, and of course, our very own Mr Blackpill himself, Omnivorous Cuckherd.

I swear, he must not be able to get a hardon without posting some despair porn.

He must not know that they make pills for that sort of thing now.

And, if email SPAM is to be believed, those pills are not only available, they're "affordable" and can be "discreetly delivered right to [his] door".

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 11:06 PM  

Coolhand, do you think Trump could fail to build the wall and get re-elected?

I don't think Trump plans to fail to build it, but I think it's going to be disasterous for his chances in '20 if he somehow doesn't get it done.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 11:10 PM  

There is a very good chacence that Trump is delaying construction so he can stage a ribbon cutting ceremony in October of '20. That's great for ensuring the Trumpslide, if he can time it right.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 11:10 PM  

Ok, I'll bite since I'm new (<1 month posting). I'm concerned it's not the right move to wait so long.

Is this something that should be waited until Trump sees the whites in [the Dem's] eyes to fire on?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 11, 2019 11:28 PM  

I echo what some of the other commenters are saying. Trump is just doing the Kansas City Shuffle.

https://youtu.be/ag31JHU8LPU

Blogger Long Live The West February 11, 2019 11:40 PM  

If Trump starts the wall soon I'll be happy. He never was going to build it right away anyway.

Even if he doesn't build it I think it's possible he could get reelected. However, it'd be a close one as opposed to the major victory he'll have if he builds the wall and carries through on some other promises.

"Is this something that should be waited until Trump sees the whites in [the Dem's] eyes to fire on?"

I think he's waited long enough. With all the hype in the last couple months it would look incredibly weak to back down. I don't believe it needs to be tomorrow, but it needs to be relatively soon.

Blogger Stephen February 11, 2019 11:40 PM  

CRIPES!!! Hurry up you Boomer Loser!

The man grew up in a time when Photo Shack was a thing.
He knows enough to allow time for things to develop.
He still wants the impact of the coming Shut Down hysteria.

You kids watch and learn.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 11:42 PM  

@63, sammi, I wouldn't wait, but we hired Trump, and he has at least two more years to do it his way. Six more, if he gets out the vote in October '20. I do see the attraction of a ribbon cutting ceremony that October.

Blogger pyrrhus February 11, 2019 11:45 PM  

Trump needs to realize that he's President and CnC, and no person or Court can countermand or overrule his orders as CnC...If he doesn't realize that, or Ivanka and her Zionist hubby convince him not to use that power, he is in massive trouble.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2019 11:59 PM  

According to Zerohedge, repubs and dems met this evening to talk.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-11/we-are-close-top-negotiators-scramble-reach-border-deal-shutdown-looms

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 12, 2019 12:32 AM  

The signs at the rally said "Finish the Wall". Hiding in plain sight?

Blogger Innamorato February 12, 2019 12:32 AM  

President Trump is absolutely inscrutible. Only one thing I am certain of - he is a #StableGenius.

Blogger wreckage February 12, 2019 1:37 AM  

He will. Have faith.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 12, 2019 1:39 AM  

If he can't get it built, he should resign. Unless he's damn sure of a second term, what's the excuse? If he resigns though, what does that say about the American military and wider situation.

People did vote the conservatives back into power in a surprise result despite the "cast iron guarantee" of a first term Brexit vote. Mostly because labour had been so awful/openly evil. What did it for the out vote, were/are the streams of people pouring into Europe. They obviously only called it, because they, thought the out vote would lose.

Blogger CoolHand February 12, 2019 1:52 AM  

@61 I don't know, TBH.

I'd still vote for him, but I'm not most people, so I don't know and we're so far out into new territory here that I don't even know enough to take a guess at it.

I know a lot of people think they know exactly how things are going to play out, but then again, a lot of people thought that HRC had a 98% chance of being POTUS right now.

Who's the bigger fool, the guy who says he know everything and doesn't, or the guy who says he knows nothing and is right?

Blogger Damaris Tighe February 12, 2019 1:56 AM  

I hope Trumps Emergency doesn't go the way of Obama's Red Lines.

Blogger doctrev February 12, 2019 2:00 AM  

sammibandit wrote:
Is this something that should be waited until Trump sees the whites in [the Dem's] eyes to fire on?


Donald Trump has been President for more than two years. While his tactics are generally strange, like folding on the shutdown, strategically you can detect a pattern:

- If a constitutional crisis would be provoked, or if an emergency like a collapse of the government or air traffic disaster could happen, the President backs down before the cataclysm strikes. It's why he signed the omnibus a while back, and why he stopped before the shutdown could result in trouble at the airlines.
- In every other circumstance- deporting illegals, cracking down on perverts, tax cuts, deregulation, healthcare reversion, foreign policy changes- President Trump has always done exactly what he said he would years ago. The Syria withdrawal was announced despite his SecDef resigning, but he's not reversing himself. He may apply it to Afghanistan.

Don't want to wait? I sympathize, actually. There is a line most people have when, if crossed, would result in them adopting outlaw mindsets, or renegade if you prefer. If the line's been crossed for you, do what you want. But if you're scared of going to jail, or waiting until what you do has maximum impact, bear in mind President Trump has that pressure times a billion on him, all the time since November 2015.

Act decisively, or stay calm, but those people who are in perpetual mindless panic need to be purged from the MAGA movement.

And Hardwicke, what are you talking about? Pope Benedict's resignation threw the Catholic Church into turmoil and gave rise to a much worse leader, under much less serious circumstances than the President faces. How can you have been here and not heard the first rule about dealing with SJWs: do NOT resign!

Blogger Rhys February 12, 2019 2:11 AM  

At this point, I'm pretty convinced Trump will drag his feet, because he doesn't want to do it, but will be forced to follow through and will ultimately end up doing so anyhow.

Blogger Jules Pennyfeather February 12, 2019 2:58 AM  

Or perhaps it is time to strike whilst the iron is hot!

Blogger Jules Pennyfeather February 12, 2019 3:03 AM  

Many normie cons vote Libertarian as a protest vote. I voted for like Harry Browne in 2004 to protest the Patriot Act.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 12, 2019 3:08 AM  

doctrev wrote:Act decisively, or stay calm, but those people who are in perpetual mindless panic need to be purged from the MAGA movement.

And Hardwicke, what are you talking about? Pope Benedict's resignation threw the Catholic Church into turmoil and gave rise to a much worse leader, under much less serious circumstances than the President faces. How can you have been here and not heard the first rule about dealing with SJWs: do NOT resign!


Yeah well, if priests are raping children, being covered up and bringing in more minors and refugees, I think the Catholic church should be in turmoil. Plenty of homeless people, they don't give a shit about.

If the military has gone full sjw, been bought out, what's the point.

Blogger Jules Pennyfeather February 12, 2019 3:12 AM  

"Send in the military!"

It is not that easy due to the law of posse comitatus. Though the Waco siege and the military flying drones around has turned that into a dead letter.

Blogger Northwest Watching Thing February 12, 2019 3:55 AM  

I had a lot of friends that were diehard, nevertrump conservatives, because they believed the lies of the nevertrump neocons. After several months of Trump actually proving himself to be competent and conservative, and then with the nomination of Gorsuch, most of them reluctantly changed their minds.
Trump might lose a lot of votes from the radical right if he fails to build the wall, but he has gained the trust of a lot of traditional conservatives for other reasons.
If the democrats somehow manage to put up a strong contender, I'd be worried of the wall isn't built. If it is built, or mostly built, barring a massive scandal worse than he's already had, he should have the next election in the bag.

Blogger CoolHand February 12, 2019 4:00 AM  

@82 Excellent choice of name, sir.

Awake in the Night Land was one of the best books I've ever read. VD's praise for JCW is very well considered, IMO.

Totally OT, but had to be said.

That is all.

Blogger Northwest Watching Thing February 12, 2019 4:52 AM  

Thank you. I might have to consider changing it because there's a strong possibility I won't be living in the PNW for much longer.

Blogger Mark Stoval February 12, 2019 5:05 AM  

As I have said before, we could start with the military at the boarder with orders to stop everyone from crossing. With whatever force is needed.

Of course shooting any reporter that got into the zone of operation would be a real plus.

It will never happen of course. A nation of pussies is not going to defend itself. And there are too many traitors here already.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 12, 2019 5:08 AM  

"If the military says, "Sorry, we can't do it, a judge overruled you." Then what?"

Summary execution for dereliction of duty. There is no vagueness for vagary there. The judiciary have no say in that whatsoever. The military know that perfectly well.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 12, 2019 5:11 AM  

There is a command structure that is memorized by even the enlisted in the military. No member of the judiciary appears anywhere in it. The POTUS is the very pinnacle.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 12, 2019 5:18 AM  

@11

"If the military says, "Sorry, we can't do it, a judge overruled you." Then what?"

You rip the stars off of his shoulders, and tell them he's fired and retired, effective immediately.

@21

"It’s worked literally every time he implements it, and the only concern their is that there may not be another story big enough to eclipse the wall. "

Arresting some judges ought to do it.

@39

"Court martial whoever says it and replace them."

The President doesn't need a court martial to relieve an officer of command, nor to retire -- effective immediately -- anybody with 20+ years of service. That's mere human resources management. Court Martial is needed ONLY for criminal prosecutions or reductions in rank. Relieving someone of command and immediate retirement for insubordination over a LEGAL command (If a Seebee or engineer unit can legally be ordered to build a *anything* in a foreign country, then they can legally be ordered to build a wall on ANY federal government-owned land, INCLUDING the border. If it's not federally owned, it can be condemned "for the public good" without so much as a court hearing) and converted into federal-government land in a heart beat.

@50

"I don't either, which is why I think it may be a more open question than people realize. Maybe it'd be fine. Maybe the generals and their justice system would carry out their commander-in-chief's orders without hesitation, if forced to choose sides. I just don't know if I'd bet on it."

If every flag officer promoted by Obama were forcibly retired, we wouldn't have this situation. Trump, unfortunately, believes that non-partisan executive and judicial branch players really are non-partisan.

Blogger James Dixon February 12, 2019 6:04 AM  

> As I have said before, we could start with the military at the boarder with orders to stop everyone from crossing. With whatever force is needed.

That's the alternative to a wall, yes.

> The President doesn't need a court martial to relieve an officer of command,

No, he doesn't, but examples need to be made. The officer can of course choose to retire rather than follow the order. That would not result in a court martial.

Blogger Stilicho February 12, 2019 6:20 AM  

Placating nevertrumpers at the expense of his base is a guaranteed recipe for disaster.

Blogger Elder Lyons February 12, 2019 6:50 AM  

If i'm to believe this statement I've heard countless times over the past 39 years, "This commission is to continue in force during the pleasure of the President of the United States of America for the time being, under the provisions of those Public Laws relating to Officers of the Armed Forces of the United States of America and the component thereof in which this appointment is made.", they will Build The Wall, when ordered to do so.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 12, 2019 7:07 AM  

The issue vwith "the wall" is not one of authority/legality but of funding.
Will it be funded through (a) emergency declaration, (b)through drug interdiction law or (c) through Constitutional application to the FedGov against invasion.
(c) is the least likely since, to my knowledge, there has been no State Legislature meeting for petitioning the FedGov.
(b) will have to use current allocation of money within the DOD budget.
(a) makes emergency monies already allocated.
We shall see. Will it be Ezra or Nehemiah.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 12, 2019 7:14 AM  

The military is to obey lawfull orders. What is a lawfull order is the question.

As the POTUS being the CnC. The CnC title applies only when the armed forces are actually called. Who gets to call? Read the Constitution. It is in there.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 7:31 AM  

This is so stupid. Trump doesn't need to declare a national emergency for this. He has the authority. It's right there in the US codes.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 8:17 AM  

Every day that goes by without the wall being built is just more and more evidence that Trump never actually intended to build the wall at all.. and that it was never part of a grand stategy.. that he just said it at a rally one time and it took off on its own and so he ran with it.

10 USC 284 gives the president the authority to build barriers, fences, and roads as he sees fit to combat the drug trade on the border.

In other words... the president already has the authority to build the wall. he has always had it. There is nothing congress can do about it without gutting their precious War on Drugs legislation.

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 8:40 AM  

@6 "he just has to establish beyond a doubt that the dems are simply obstructionists"

But how MANY MORE mericans have to be raped, tortured, and killed before he quits playing patty-cake with the Damned Dems?! CLOSE the border! Deport deport deport! How many more Kate Steinle's and others must suffer to 'make nice' with the internal enemies?!

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 8:42 AM  

@11 "If the military says, "Sorry, we can't do it, a judge overruled you." Then what?"

Then he FIRES the Perfumed Princes and calls back in some REAL flag officers!! CinC MEANS something! (Hell, he should've done that two years ago!)

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 8:44 AM  

"If the military says, "Sorry, we can't do it, a judge overruled you." Then what?"

The military has already testified that if the president ordered them to build the wall they would because he has that authority.

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 8:54 AM  

@38 "This is pure wishful thinking, but I am wondering if the wall is already being built."

Remember the Omnibus TGE hated but signed? The Dems forced him with: it REQUIRED that he not build new wall, but he could repair and upgrade current wall.

This is what repair and upgrade looks like:

https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_43/2620396/181026-border-wall-ew-212p_78529e537eb99a58988c3cce50f6ef97.fit-760w.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gtbhmmBQ4Ts/maxresdefault.jpg

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/12/13/us/politics/13DC-Wall1/merlin_144386166_10ad515a-04c0-4493-ba80-531640a06ef0-articleLarge.jpg

https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/d9a4afc/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1024x576+0+54/resize/1280x720!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewscripps.brightspotcdn.com%2F2e%2F9f%2Ffded5b5949a69ffad959f5e16119%2Fgettyimages-1095613474.jpg

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/01/18/world/18Border-factcheck/merlin_147820428_f600986b-13d7-4c23-a1dd-91ebc5b75111-articleLarge.jpg

Blogger peter blandings February 12, 2019 8:55 AM  

there will be no wall. there are none so blind as those who truly WANT to believe, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. or in this particular case, mountain RANGES to the contrary. trump has caved on every strong statement he's made in his term thus far. he had a televised meeting with chuck and nancy. he said if he didn't get his 5 billion for the wall he would own the shutdown that would follow. it took him all of three days to fold. the only reason he went back to his original position on a shutdown is because ann coulter called him a wimp. but even then, he backed down AGAIN after a few weeks. he's very talented at spinning defeat into his own version of victory, but that doesn't change the fact of defeat. unless you can make the case that trump is stupid (i can't), then there is only one possible reason he has done so many stupid things in the two years of his term thus far, why he has betrayed his supporters so completely; he is operating under a lethal threat to both himself and his family. the deep state is real, but it's not a bunch of left-over bureaucrats, it is a group of men who have killed many times and are not disturbed by the action. they reside within the cia. the only reasonable remedy is for all 63 million trump voters to unite and begin coordinated action now. i am not expressing a conspiracy theory, although most people would think i am. i would like vox to take a leadership position, but wouldn't blame him for declining. since he is such a high profile trump supporter, it's entirely possible he himself has been threatened. if anyone can refute my hypothesis, by all means try. but reading this section i have to conclude that it is the most densely populated pack of slow learners i've ever seen.

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 8:56 AM  

@39 "Graham begged for the opportunity to get one, so his reputation is on the line. When he's betrayed by the dem's yet again, you'll see Graham 3.0. And the dem's really aren't going to like him."

From your electrical pen to God's ear -- and to Miss Lindsay's sloppy-weak backbone!

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 9:00 AM  

@53 "I don't think Trump is willing to do anything like that, even though the constitution he swore to uphold demands it."

On what basis do you think this?

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 9:09 AM  

@81 "Send in the military!"
It is not that easy due to the law of posse comitatus."

You've got it 100% upside-down. PROTECTING OUR BORDERS from invaders is the military's first, primary, and most important job! Posse comitatus is the military being forbidden from acting against CITIZENS inside the U.S. -- THIS is acting against INVADERS outside the border! Sheesh!

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 9:20 AM  

@94 "Trump doesn't need to declare a national emergency for this. He has the authority."

So, the question must become: what is he gaining by waving such a declaration in front of the Dems and the MPAI? (Hell, we're STILL under some THIRTY-ONE "national emergencies" that have never been 'turned off.') What negotiation is he involved in for which this is a useful feint? How many 'plain-old' conservatives have been dragged into unwilling, grudging acceptance that perhaps he's NOT as bad as they expected.

Had to laugh; my friend who voted unwillingly for Trump as the least-worst choice; has all along and repeatedly claimed that "TGE is an @ss." He and his wife are still incensed at the thought that (my hope!) they might have delivered subpoenas at H.W.'s funeral: "that's tacky!" After the SotU, he said -- "finally Trump was NOT an @ss." Of course *I* was spitting nails at how milquetoast the SotU was...)

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 9:24 AM  

"So, the question must become: what is he gaining by waving such a declaration in front of the Dems and the MPAI? "

There is no "the" question. there are lots of questions... the most important of which is... does Trump even know that he has that authority? An argument can be made that Trump has no idea what he can and cannot do becuase he is surrounded by a terrible combination or incompetent morons and outright traitors.

IF he knows he can do it... and he isn't... then whatever political game he thinks he is playing is the equivalent of a fireman attempting to use a house fire to negotiate a better salary.

Blogger peter blandings February 12, 2019 9:34 AM  

the most important of which is... does Trump even know that he has that authority?

how could he NOT KNOW? the morons and traitors that surround him, HE HIRED. you honestly think he doesn't have his own lawyers and constitutional experts? you are basically saying that trump is stupid, but without making the case. he is counting on the possibility that the american voters DON'T KNOW.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 9:41 AM  

"how could he NOT KNOW? the morons and traitors that surround him, HE HIRED. you honestly think he doesn't have his own lawyers and constitutional experts?"

Jesus... you don't pay attention do you? Look at the people Trump has hired in the past. The man has made a practice of hiring idiots. Cohen for example. Bolton? Rudy? morons. Total morons. Look at his appointment for AG. Absolute idiot.

So no. I do not think Trump has surrounded himself with good people. I think Christie attempted to surround Trump with good people way back when he was running the show... then Trump fired him and put Jared in charge of the transition team and its been a shit show ever since.

Blogger James Dixon February 12, 2019 9:42 AM  

> The CnC title applies only when the armed forces are actually called. Who gets to call?

Only Congress can declare war. But it may have escaped your attention that we now have a standing army, over which the President has authority.

> ...does Trump even know that he has that authority?

We know he has folks who read this blog, so if he didn't he will soon. And actually, I sent exactly that reminder to the White House yesterday.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 9:44 AM  

A strong argument can be made that Trump putting Jared in charge of his transition team was the single biggest mistake an administration has made since Bill turned Hillary lose on healthcare back in 1993.

Blogger sammibandit February 12, 2019 9:53 AM  

>The signs at the rally said "Finish the Wall". Hiding in plain sight?

Pre-printed? Or home made?

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 9:58 AM  

">The signs at the rally said "Finish the Wall". Hiding in plain sight?"

not one inch of wall has been built.

Blogger Some Guy February 12, 2019 12:02 PM  

Does nobody read Q? The wall is getting built folks. We are also getting voter ID. Hillary is going to jail. I’m calling it now and will publicly apologize if it doesn’t happen before he’s out of office.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 12:16 PM  

"Does nobody read Q? "

no one with a functional brain.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 12:18 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:The signs at the rally said "Finish the Wall". Hiding in plain sight?

We keep seeing pictures of completed wall sections. Are they photoshopped? Or has Trump been upgrading existing wall to his standards? He has money for that.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 12:27 PM  

"We keep seeing pictures of completed wall sections. Are they photoshopped? Or has Trump been upgrading existing wall to his standards? He has money for that."

You're seeing pictures of the fence that is already there.

Blogger peter blandings February 12, 2019 12:45 PM  

you don't pay attention do you? Look at the people Trump has hired in the past. The man has made a practice of hiring idiots.

so where's the disagreement? you said he was surrounded by idiots, and i responded that HE HIRED them. now you're saying he's made a practice of hiring idiots. i've been saying that for two years. mattis, nikki healy, mcmaster, was there ever any doubt that pence was a plant, and on and on. the question is why? a guy who's smart enough to win the presidency on his very first run for public office doesn't turn into a moron 20 minutes after being sworn in. you're the one not paying attention. either make the case that he's stupid or come up with an explanation for all these ridiculous mistakes.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 12:55 PM  

"you said he was surrounded by idiots, and i responded that HE HIRED them. now you're saying he's made a practice of hiring idiots. i've been saying that for two years. mattis, nikki healy, mcmaster, was there ever any doubt that pence was a plant, and on and on. "

Jesus Christ...

Kelly, Mattis, Sessions, and a few others were actually very qualified fantastic hires. But most of those guys were names that either pre-dated the transition team or were on the list from when Chris CHristie was running it. Jared gutted the team CHristie built but he didn't cut literally everyone.

The problem is trump hires people based on loyalty... so he's surrounded by two groups of people... competent deep state plants who hate him (many of whom were put there by is idiot son-in-law) and loyal people who love him, but who are completely incompetent. Rudy is a great example of these folks.

While trump does have a history of making really bad hires (cohen!) almost all of the real damage was done by Jared. But Trump has no one to blame for that but himself.. since he is the one that fired CHristie and handed the keys to the transition team to the village useful idiot.

Blogger peter blandings February 12, 2019 1:08 PM  

if you think mattis and sessions were "very qualified fantastic hires", then there's no hope for you, man. you're terminally retarded. there was only one guy who looked any good at the beginning, tillerson. but then he immediately did a 180 on everything he'd done in his entire career and turned into a dem hack and started doing damage after the first week. do some of your own research on mattis and then get back to me. he was a quarter acre red flag that something was really effin wrong.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 12, 2019 1:29 PM  

Jules Pennyfeather wrote:"Send in the military!"

It is not that easy due to the law of posse comitatus. Though the Waco siege and the military flying drones around has turned that into a dead letter.

You mean the law that has the huge exception of "except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress"? That one?

Honestly, if you can't see that you can sail a Battleship through that exception you're a moron.

Avalanche wrote:Remember the Omnibus TGE hated but signed? The Dems forced him with: it REQUIRED that he not build new wall, but he could repair and upgrade current wall.
Well, here what you do; it's a simple ten-step program:
(1) Deploy troops to the border, with orders to secure it from invasion as per Article 4, Section 4;
(2) Authorize lethal force on the border, which has already been done;
(3) Invite the press for a nice good show/piece, timed to coincide with the next caravan's arrival;
(4) While the press are there, show them to a good vintage point, order A-10s and M-109s to bombard the caravan;
(5) Let the now-horrified press leave;
(6) Wait for the inevitable "He's a Monster!", "Impeach!", and "Our troops are killing harmless refugees!" stories;
(7) Wait for the manufactured outrage to motivate articles of impeachment;
(8) After the vote is cast, have the Army arrest the Aye-voting Reps for their obvious Treason;
(9) Have the Army arrest the newspaper reporters and editors who went to bat for the invaders;
(10) PUBLIC HANGINGS!

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 1:35 PM  

"You mean the law that has the huge exception of "except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress"? That one?"

which has already been passed by the way... 10 USC 284 authorizes the president to use the military to erect whatever barriers he deems necessary.

The fact that trump hasn't already done it raise big questions.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 1:36 PM  

"if you think mattis and sessions were "very qualified fantastic hires", then there's no hope for you,"

Dude... if you thought I was intelligent... I would be worried about myself.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 1:40 PM  

peter blandings wrote:... there was only one guy who looked any good at the beginning, tillerson. but then he immediately did a 180 on everything he'd done in his entire career ...

You mean Tillerson the Exxon exec who was at the helm of the Boy Scouts when they surrendered to the homos? I didn't see Tillerson's performance as a 180, I saw it as a big oil globalist staying true to his BLTGWTF colors.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 12, 2019 2:29 PM  

@121
OK, this one got me laughing.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 3:17 PM  

", I saw it as a big oil globalist staying true to his BLTGWTF colors."

not only that.. Tillerson was the one who ran out to virtue signal after Charlottesville and tried to throw Trump under the bus.

The fact that this moron named Tillerson as an example just proves what an utter moron he is.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 12, 2019 3:33 PM  

Nate wrote:"You mean the law that has the huge exception of "except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress"? That one?"

which has already been passed by the way... 10 USC 284 authorizes the president to use the military to erect whatever barriers he deems necessary.

The fact that trump hasn't already done it raise big questions.

Given his citation of the "caravan" in the SOTU, it arguably could be seen as the proclamation triggering 50 U.S. Code §21 — Restraint, regulation, and removal.

Blogger Lance E February 12, 2019 3:51 PM  

Did I fall into a time warp, or was this just intended as a reminder of what Trump said a week back, before SOTU?

Current news seems to indicate that he's going to accept yet another bad budget with no wall money. Yes, I know - don't trust early reports, and something something black pill. I find it less stressful than the cognitive dissonance of always trying to impute some hidden meaning to Trump's own statements that can be used to interpret his latest actions in a more positive light.

The pattern I see - and I could be wrong, it should be a testable claim - is that higher approval ratings correlate with weaker positions on immigration. He wants to be able to keep hanging this as a carrot to turn out his activist base. I'm with Ann Coulter on this one: his base needs to keep making it absolutely clear to him that failure will not be tolerated and that without a wall actually built (not funded, promised, etc.), he can forget about re-election. Turn that carrot into a stick.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 3:53 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:Given his citation of the "caravan" in the SOTU, it arguably could be seen as the proclamation triggering 50 U.S. Code §21 — Restraint, regulation, and removal.

Sounds great! I don't think he's going there. As others have noted, Trump shies away from these big game changers. I think he wants to be remembered as the president who righted the ship of state, not as the president who sank the ships.

Expelling enemy aliens would be a divisive move. Everything we know about him so far suggests that he's trying to reunite* the citizens of the empire, not trying to kick the furriners out of the nation.

*We were never united except in the fevered dreams of the civnats, but some of them are still dreaming!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 3:58 PM  

Lance E wrote:I'm with Ann Coulter on this one: his base needs to keep making it absolutely clear to him that failure will not be tolerated and that without a wall actually built (not funded, promised, etc.), he can forget about re-election. Turn that carrot into a stick.

I don't think Trump is eager to flake, but I can believe he has his weak moments, especially with what must be constant pressure from the cucks and traitors he surrounds himself with.

I don't see any downside to holding Trump accountable. He probably doesn't see any downside either. Pressure from his base is pressure he can turn against Kushner and the GOPe when they council betrayal.

Blogger James Dixon February 12, 2019 4:24 PM  

> Or has Trump been upgrading existing wall to his standards?

He's upgrading the existing wall. As far as I know, no new wall has been built. To be fair, a lot of it badly needed upgrading.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 4:46 PM  

@129 James, my understanding is that wherever there is so much as a strand of wire, he could upgrade it to his dream wall. He has funding for upgrades, apparently.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2019 7:36 PM  

"ames, my understanding is that wherever there is so much as a strand of wire, he could upgrade it to his dream wall. He has funding for upgrades, apparently. "

he doesn't even need that.

He could literally order the military to build a wall... and they would do it. It would be pure discretionary spending and would not touch the budget. Just like the wall we built in Turkey

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 9:13 PM  

CoolHand wrote:@61 I don't know, TBH.

We'll never know until it's over, then we'll only know how it turned out. Right now, we can be pretty sure a complete-ish wall will help, and no wall will hurt - probably a lot.

CoolHand wrote:@61 I'd still vote for him, but I'm not most people, so I don't know...

Most of us here will vote for Trump in 2020. There are thousands of us. He needs millions. Building a wall is likely to help with that.

I think he wants to win in '20, and I think he wants to build that wall. There's that whole swamp draining thing, too. Is he willing to break the eggs to make the omlets? We'll know in '20, maybe.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 9:22 PM  

Nate wrote:he doesn't even need that.

He could literally order the military to build a wall... and they would do it.


There are a lot of things he has the constitutional authority to do. There are even more things he has unconstitutional but real authority to do as imperial president. He isn't doing any of them, thus my repeated assertion that Trump wants to win, by reuniting the citizens of empire, by making the Left behave themselves, but NOT by destroying the Left and casting out the unassimilable.

I believe Trump wants to right the ship of empire, and absolutely does not want to sink the empire to save the American nation. Pulling out of Syria and Asscrackistan? That's right-sizing the empire, not abandoning it. It's not what I want, but a competently run, profitable empire would surely beat what Jerry Pournelle called incompetent empire, which is what we have suffered under since WWII.

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