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Monday, February 11, 2019

The decline of the US Navy

The level of bureaucratic incompetence plaguing the US Navy is almost astonishing, even without taking into account the way female crewmen have increasingly hindered the ability of the Navy to properly crew its ships. No wonder the Russians were able to defeat US forces in Syria; the Chinese have absolutely no reason to fear a US Navy that literally can't even steer its own ships.
The Navy called three-star Adm. Phillip Balisle out of retirement to investigate the state of its operations. The fleet was in decline, with two warships so neglected they were unfit for combat. He delivered a sobering assessment.

In 2009, Balisle and a team of investigators had traveled to the Navy’s power centers, in Norfolk, Virginia; Hawaii and San Diego, interviewing senior enlisted sailors, private contractors and officers up and down the chain of command. They toured ships, gathered data and received briefings from senior officials in Washington.

They were alarmed by what they saw. Clark’s “optimal manning” had reduced crew sizes for warships. Destroyer crews had shrunk on average from 317 sailors a decade earlier to 254. Then the Navy shorted the ships even further, exacerbating what was already a critical situation. Ships had roughly 60 percent of the enlisted leaders needed to mentor and train young sailors. And to make up for the short-staffing, the Navy simply extended the crews’ workweeks.

Balisle’s team determined the Navy’s 283 surface ships needed 4,500 more sailors to be staffed to recommended levels.

The condition of those ships was also declining as the Navy reduced time devoted to maintenance. Ships that once docked for 15 weeks for repairs were sent to sea after just nine weeks. The effects were dramatic; destroyers the Navy hoped would last for 40 years were hanging on for just 25. Reports of problems with certain radar systems were up, and sailors were increasingly unable to make fixes on their own.

A legion of poorly trained junior officers aboard the ships were being promoted, Balisle warned, creating a generation of unprepared leaders.

Balisle’s report, dated February 2010, was delivered to Mabus and to Congress.

"It appears the effort to derive efficiencies has overtaken our culture of effectiveness," Balisle said in the report. He then took aim at the “downward spiral” of the Navy’s culture, in which a commitment to excellence had been badly eroded.

"From the most senior officers to the most junior petty officer, the culture reveals itself in personal attitudes ranging from resignation to frustration to toleration,” he wrote. “While the severity of current culture climate may be debated, its decline cannot."

The report left Work, then the undersecretary of the Navy and Mabus’ No. 2, shaken. He decided to act.

Work, a widely respected figure at the Pentagon, said he began using his monthly meetings with then Deputy Secretary of Defense Ash Carter and his counterparts at the Army, Marines and Air Force to detail the stress on the Navy’s ships. The Navy was being asked to conduct too many operations, Work told them, some of debatable merit. The problems were real, he said, and the risks to readiness considerable.

“We’re using the fleet too much," Work told the Pentagon. “We have to say ‘no’ more often.”

Work said he brought Carter round after round of data showing the demands on the fleet were degrading its readiness to counter threats.

Specifically, Work recalled raising concerns about a request around 2011 to have two of the Navy’s 11 aircraft carriers — and their escort ships — in the Persian Gulf at all times, an unusual demand that would require putting off repairs and training.

The request came from the commander of CENTCOM, the uniformed officer responsible for all operations in the Middle East. In the military, the wishes of what are known as combatant commanders are all but paramount. They are often dealing with issues of utmost national security: the war in Afghanistan, the development of nuclear weapons in North Korea, ISIS fighters in the Middle East, Al Shabab terrorists in the Horn of Africa, the expansionist aims of China and Russia.

Individual combatant commanders, who report to the secretary of defense, are in charge of military operations inside six global regions, no matter which branch of the military is conducting the operation. The leaders of the Navy, Army and Air Force are responsible for delivering trained and equipped troops. They can lobby the Pentagon against an operation they feel is ill-advised, but the final say goes to the defense secretary, and ultimately the president.

Navy officials — from captains helming ships to three-star admirals — told ProPublica that many commanders’ operations seemed unnecessary, such as shows of force requested by allies, joint-training exercises with foreign militaries or so-called presence missions in non-contentious parts of the world. As Aucoin struggled to find ships to patrol off nuclear-armed North Korea, his superiors sent a destroyer to help the small Pacific islands of Tuvalu and Nauru enforce their fisheries laws.

Some extolled such operations as key to maintaining so-called soft power — keeping allies happy, telegraphing might without direct military force. But others saw them as a luxury a strapped Navy could no longer support. When the Navy had 600 ships, about 100 were at sea at any given time. With half as many ships, the Navy still keeps about 100 at sea. In other words, as the Navy shrunk its fleet, it increased the workload on its sailors.
The USA is almost certainly going to lose its next major war. What we are witnessing here is nothing new, it is absolutely normal for an empire that has indulged itself in imperial overstretch for generations to fail to fund its military infrastructure prior to engaging in the conflict that fatally exposes the rot within. And lest you appeal to the inherent strength of the American people, keep in mind, the United States of Diversity is comprised of a very, very different population than the United States of America of 78 years ago.

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162 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous February 11, 2019 11:03 AM  

This is deliberate engineering. TPTB want an all or near-all robotic armed forces. They plan on giving orders only machines would ever obey.

Blogger Unknown February 11, 2019 11:06 AM  

Even during the height of WW2 there were race riots in Detroit, perhaps other industrial cities as well. I can't imagine what it would be like now, but much worse I'm sure.

Blogger John Russo February 11, 2019 11:14 AM  

It just seems to get worse and worse. And if you go to navy.com you'll find this beauty:


EXPANDING MULTICULTURAL PARTNERSHIPS
To increase our mentoring and professional growth programs, we have partnered with these multicultural professional affinity groups:

The National Society of Black Engineers (NSBE)
The Society of Hispanic Professional Engineers (SHPE)
The Society of Asian Scientists and Engineers (SASE)
The Society of Women Engineers (SWE)
The American Indian Science and Engineering Society (AISES)
Black Engineer of the Year Award (BEYA)
Hispanic Engineer National Achievement Awards Conference (HENAAC)

Blogger The Smoking Man #3424 February 11, 2019 11:14 AM  

That plot of land up in Idaho i've been eyeing keeps looking better and better

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2019 11:17 AM  

If the navy is in this bad a shape, can the army and air force be far behind?

Blogger Unknown February 11, 2019 11:19 AM  

Key part, IMO:

"When the Navy had 600 ships, about 100 were at sea at any given time. With half as many ships, the Navy still keeps about 100 at sea. In other words, as the Navy shrunk its fleet, it increased the workload on its sailors."

I was USN 1994-2014, and saw that personally, and that was my take on things as well. I don't see it stopping any time soon, either, not with the current crop of Admirals.

--Unknownsailor--

Blogger Dominik K. February 11, 2019 11:23 AM  

"United States of Diversity"
Love that rethoric!

Blogger Pioneer Spirit February 11, 2019 11:23 AM  

I think New Zealand is the prefered spot among the affluent.

Blogger David The Good February 11, 2019 11:26 AM  

The Smoking Man #3424 wrote:That plot of land up in Idaho i've been eyeing keeps looking better and better

You might want to grab it sooner rather than later, and start planting fruit and nut trees in the spring.

Blogger Latigo3 February 11, 2019 11:29 AM  

When I think about how quickly it set it, we can look at George Bush the elder and see where it began. I remember signing up for the Army in 1990 and hearing about all the base closures, the draw downs (7th ID at Fort Ord, CA). Once I think about it, someone's plan is working real well.

Blogger Robert What? February 11, 2019 11:36 AM  

Scary question: when the US Navy gets engaged in combat and is starting to get its clock cleaned, are the hire ups going to roll out the tactical nukes to make up for their incompetence? I wouldn't put it past them.

Blogger Ahnaf Habib February 11, 2019 11:43 AM  

The name itself has become meaningless. "United States"... Of *what*? Because it's not America; not anymore. Once a nation's name becomes meaningless, you know they are in serious trouble.

Blogger Xellos February 11, 2019 11:43 AM  

@10: Look several decades earlier. How were the men who made these decisions growing up?

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 11, 2019 11:46 AM  

Isn't the surface navy kind of obsolete, given that the enemy can just fire missiles at them for lower cost? Unless there's some kind of shield or laser defence system in the works. Why not disband the navy and switch more to the air force?

Blogger Warunicorn February 11, 2019 11:59 AM  

"They are often dealing with issues of utmost national security: the war in Afghanistan, the development of nuclear weapons in North Korea, ISIS fighters in the Middle East, Al Shabab terrorists in the Horn of Africa, the expansionist aims of China and Russia."

Pffft. "National security." You want national security? How about this: Our own borders! Can't have national security if there isn't any enforcement (or A WALL) at our borders.

I kind of laugh at the "expansionist aims" of China and Russia, because isn't that what we were doing all along, all this time? Why is it OK for us to do it but not, say, Russia?

The States aren't so United anymore. The more people realize this the sooner we can get this over with.

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2019 11:59 AM  

> Why not disband the navy and switch more to the air force?

Because we don't have and can't afford that many bases. Aircraft carriers are effectively mobile air bases.

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2019 12:01 PM  

> The States aren't so United anymore. The more people realize this the sooner we can get this over with.

A Union imposed by force isn't a union. The split should have been allowed to happen 150+ years ago.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 12:02 PM  

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:Isn't the surface navy kind of obsolete, given that the enemy can just fire missiles at them for lower cost?

Any time we aren't in an all-out nuclear war, with ballistic missiles flying, the ships are useful. Any time we are in an all-out nuclear war with ballistic missiles flying, the air farce is going to be vulnerable, too.

We should have a large navy and a large air force, and a tiny rump army which is nothing more than a cadre of officers and senior enlisted men to form the backbone of a large force should we need one.

Armies take and hold territories, and if we are not an empire, we don't generally need to take and hold territories.

Navies - and now air forces - keep the invaders at bay, make a strike against us too expensive to contemplate, and give us time to expand that cadre army into an enormous expeditionary force if we are attacked.

Or, a navy and air force run by the Left sinks our own ships and crashes our own aircraft, while our enormous, Left-run army ``protects'' every country but our own.

Blogger SAPPER February 11, 2019 12:11 PM  

As an Ex-Marine, I am saddened by this but not surprised. The 80's and 90's will be known as the last glory years of the US Navy.

Blogger steve February 11, 2019 12:13 PM  

"No wonder the Russians were able to defeat US forces in Syria"

Er, wut?

Blogger tweell February 11, 2019 12:13 PM  

That report was made ten years ago, and the situation kept getting worse. The Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon decided to go all out on new 'transformative' ships and classes. They cut everything else to make the USS Ford (a carrier that can't launch or recover planes), the Zumwalt stealth destroyers (that can't fire their gun) and the LCS modular corvette class (known as the Little Crappy Ships, since they can't do anything useful).

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 12:14 PM  

James Dixon wrote:Because we don't have and can't afford that many bases. Aircraft carriers are effectively mobile air bases.

Pretty stinking expensive mobile bases. Can we afford unmaintained aircraft carriers ``manned'' by diverse, feminist, incompetent crews?

We're pretty broke from supporting that empire. Can we afford aircraft carriers at all? If we aren't going to be an empire, do we even need them?

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 11, 2019 12:15 PM  

The cost of one aircraft carrier must be pretty expensive, not to mention the number of lives and trained personnel. Was thinking about a documentary I watched on the Falklands Wars, where smaller ships were used as screening ships for the carriers and transports. I mean why not aim to saturate a ship with missiles if need be. Have 80 like going at one carrier, one is bound to get through.

As for the air force, adopt drones faster. Any smaller regime is going to be overwhelmed any way if enough force is used. Thought it was a bad decision not to sink the Argentine fleet with one submarine. If they complained, explode a nuke several thousand feet above Buenos Aires. The navy doesn't seem to be that mobile.

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 11, 2019 12:18 PM  

Third world demographics, third world results.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2019 12:19 PM  

the US may lose its next war. however if the US does the wise thing and scales back the way Great Britain did for example... it is possible that the military could be rebuilt and repaired. Pulling out of Syria is a great first step.

Blogger Bastion Harm February 11, 2019 12:19 PM  

The USA is almost certainly going to lose its next major war.

C'mon now! Sure this report paints a grim picture, but it ignores our greatest strength!

DIVERSITY!!!

Blogger SAPPER February 11, 2019 12:20 PM  

LCS - Little Crappy Ships. Hilariously bad design

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20088/little-crappy-ship-none-of-the-navys-littoral-combat-ships-may-deploy-in-2018

Blogger justaguy February 11, 2019 12:20 PM  

This is all about budgets. The princes of the pentagon are ruled by $ and power. No one gets ahead by giving up anything but 4 was going down in real terms and capital ships costs are always going up. solution-- use machines and get rid of expensive sailors!!!

This short-cut hasn't worked when imposed top down and now there isn't enough manpower to run/maintain/train the ships as they are used hard. What fun.

Add a declining fleet size and raised fleet requirements-- and you get ships running into each other.

I will stater that I have confidence in the sub force-- but I retired quite a few years ago and they are the silent service-- so maybe not. They aren't running aground as much as they were in my day so maybe things are better-- or their ops are different.

Blogger SAPPER February 11, 2019 12:21 PM  

@Nate UK never rebuilt.

They can barely afford 100,000 fighting men. Once the delcine starts, it continues unabated

Blogger Ledford Ledford February 11, 2019 12:22 PM  

What we are witnessing here is nothing new, it is absolutely normal for an empire that has indulged itself in imperial overstretch for generations....

Background music for this comment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCBxI9yKLgw

Bureaucratic rot in the Royal Navy left the British merchant fleet open to terrible losses in World War I. Junior commanders begged to implement the convoy system, and were rebuffed by their admirals. Finally the lower ranks were able to convince American admirals to present the case for convoys, the RN Admirals relented, and shipping losses to submarines dropped drastically.

Our rot goes deeper than the Royal Navy's in 1914, IMO.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 11, 2019 12:25 PM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:This is deliberate engineering. TPTB want an all or near-all robotic armed forces. They plan on giving orders only machines would ever obey.
This.
I suspect it's also why they're pushing for more multiculturalasim as John Russo points out in @3, by staffing with people of little to no cultural ties to the normal population they increase the ability to use those military forces on that cultural population.

James Dixon wrote:If the navy is in this bad a shape, can the army and air force be far behind?
Army is a bit interesting in that it is (a) only funded in 2-year stretches, and (b) the breakdown of various branches [eg combat-arms vs medical].

Unknown wrote:Key part, IMO:
"When the Navy had 600 ships, about 100 were at sea at any given time. With half as many ships, the Navy still keeps about 100 at sea. In other words, as the Navy shrunk its fleet, it increased the workload on its sailors."

I was USN 1994-2014, and saw that personally, and that was my take on things as well. I don't see it stopping any time soon, either, not with the current crop of Admirals.

Boomer culture finally got to them. Boomers are the reason that corporate America is vehemently anti-training and goes out of its way to hire previously-experienced [e.g. 10-years exp. for an entry-level job] or force the candidate to spring for the experience themselves [e.g. the situation with a lot of certifications].

Robert What? wrote:Scary question: when the US Navy gets engaged in combat and is starting to get its clock cleaned, are the higher ups going to roll out the tactical nukes to make up for their incompetence? I wouldn't put it past them.
Perhaps… but I suspect that their plan is "planned obsolescence" where they'll simply surrender to the globalist's new chosen superpower (apparently China, though it seemed like there was some push for India). It seems to me that there are 'factions' among the globalists, and a few of them want to stay with the US draining us for every cent and piece of tech before they discard/destroy us [or maybe transform us] while others consider that point/objective already reached.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Or, a navy and air force run by the Left sinks our own ships and crashes our own aircraft, while our enormous, Left-run army ``protects'' every country but our own.
If it didn't make me so angry, that'd be a pretty big black-pill.

Blogger Warunicorn February 11, 2019 12:26 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> The States aren't so United anymore. The more people realize this the sooner we can get this over with.

A Union imposed by force isn't a union. The split should have been allowed to happen 150+ years ago.


+1

I sometimes really laugh at how things turned out. Worked out great in the end, didn't it? And I say that as a Yankee. I despise how the Confederacy is looked upon like they were f*cking Nazis. I'm still pissed about the argument I had with someone over Camp Douglas. (The main thrust of my opponent's argument? They deserved the horrid treatment they got. I went right to rhetoric at that point. No use arguing with a brainwashed idiot.)

Blogger OneWingedShark February 11, 2019 12:39 PM  

tweell wrote:That report was made ten years ago, and the situation kept getting worse. The Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon decided to go all out on new 'transformative' ships and classes. They cut everything else to make the USS Ford (a carrier that can't launch or recover planes), the Zumwalt stealth destroyers (that can't fire their gun) and the LCS modular corvette class (known as the Little Crappy Ships, since they can't do anything useful).
So… you're saying the LCS is the navel equivalent of the F-35, yes?

Blogger Cloudswrest February 11, 2019 12:41 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Scary question: when the US Navy gets engaged in combat and is starting to get its clock cleaned, are the hire ups going to roll out the tactical nukes to make up for their incompetence? I wouldn't put it past them.

Assuming these still work also ... We haven't tested any in decades. Many have tritium boosters that have a half life of 12 years and need repeated refreshment. How stable are these high tech munitions of decades without maintenance testing?

Blogger Michael February 11, 2019 12:42 PM  

The best time to first learn collision prevention is in a busy shipping lane at night.

Blogger Cloudswrest February 11, 2019 12:47 PM  

From Jim's Blog
The 2018 Nuclear Posture Review has recently appeared, revealing that we have lost all nuclear military technology:

U.S. production of tritium, a critical strategic material for nuclear weapons, is now insufficient to meet the forthcoming U.S. nuclear force sustainment demands, or to hedge against unforeseen developments. Programs are planned, but not yet fully funded, to ease these critical production shortfalls.


From here: https://blog.jim.com/war/technological-decline-3/

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2019 12:50 PM  

> Can we afford unmaintained aircraft carriers ``manned'' by diverse, feminist, incompetent crews?

We're $22T in debt. We can't afford anything.

> We're pretty broke from supporting that empire.

This is known as "a self correcting problem". That process is now well underway.

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2019 12:55 PM  

> From here: https://blog.jim.com/war/technological-decline-3/

Oh, that's just *beeping* wonderful. :(

Blogger tweell February 11, 2019 12:56 PM  

That's not fair to the F-35, OneWingedShark. Sapper's link understates how useless these ships are. The gun and radar systems don't interface (the radar doesn't interface with the modular missile system either), they are incredibly short-legged and their minimal crew setup requires crosstraining and knowledge equivalent to nuclear power sailors (+2-3 SD IQ) in order to function, which they don't have. The crew quickly becomes fatigued if at sea, which is why they have two crews per ship.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 11, 2019 1:01 PM  

Perhaps our Navy would be better off protecting our own shores.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 11, 2019 1:14 PM  

The request came from the commander of CENTCOM, the uniformed officer responsible for all operations in the Middle East. In the military, the wishes of what are known as combatant commanders are all but paramount. They are often dealing with issues of utmost national security: the war in Afghanistan, the development of nuclear weapons in North Korea, ISIS fighters in the Middle East, Al Shabab terrorists in the Horn of Africa, the expansionist aims of China and Russia.

What an utterly risible statement coming from some apparachik of the waterlogged legion of the Rotten Banana Empire - whose military (which cannot account for 21 TRILLION spent over the last decade or so for some reason) cannot even defend the borders of the territory once known as the USA. Wars all over - including the longest one in the Empire's history (almost 20 years) whose chief purpose was evidently to ensure that the Sacklers would have plenty of cash to donate to criminals in congress and elsewhere. Of course there's always the various wars for Israel. Lest anyone think this racket is over, note the top priority of Gay Old Pedobear leader Kevin McCarthy in the wake of the accurate observation by the shiny new Musloid member of congress about how the place is owned by AIPAC. Is it defending the border, building the wall or draining the swamp? No, it's riding to the defense of the very same folks who made the election of Ilhan Omar a possibility.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 11, 2019 1:17 PM  

Lind's "Victoria" not just fiction. I imagine our feminist officer corp argues about privilege like they do in a Kurt Shlicter book before anything gets done.

Oh well the Empire has to die.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 1:19 PM  

James Dixon wrote:We're $22T in debt. We can't afford anything.

That's my take, too. We definitely can't afford an empire.

Blogger Matamoros February 11, 2019 1:20 PM  

tweell wrote:That report was made ten years ago, and the situation kept getting worse. The Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon decided to go all out on new 'transformative' ships and classes. They cut everything else to make the USS Ford (a carrier that can't launch or recover planes)

Don't forget the Ford doesn't even have urinals, because....women ruin everything.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 11, 2019 1:23 PM  

Kong all that will happen is that some of the smarter Jews will tell their goys to shut up, because all that white conservative outrage does is boost the Muslim within the D party, and make it fashionable to dare question the wonderfulness of the wonderful people.

Blogger Right Republican February 11, 2019 1:24 PM  

OMG this is all so frightening, mainly because we are already spending $700 billion a year for....what? And it'll take even MORE money to improve the situation? All I can think about when there's mention of needing MORE sailors and MORE infantry and MORE Marines and MORE airmen is how for every (male) soldier there's the wife, and now partner, and all the kids, and the (female) soldier and her cadre PLUS the babies she's gonna have while enlisted and all the families' associated housing and healthcare that's required ad infinitum. There's only one way out of losing our next war and/or keeping the military from bankrupting us (of course at borrowing $1+ trillion a year we are already there)and that's not to start any new wars, get out of the ones we're in, end our global military empire, retreat back to our shores, and protect our borders. Yes, that may mean surrendering planetary control to the Chinese, but if we quit buying their cheap stuff, build it here, and put America First, perhaps we could cut them off from the cash supply and make it just as hard for them to run the global military empire as it is for us right now. Does any country really NEED to run a global military empire? Does the USA NEED to be the world police?

Blogger Johnny February 11, 2019 1:24 PM  

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:smaller ships were used as screening ships for the carriers and transports. I mean why not aim to saturate a ship with missiles if need be. Have 80 like going at one carrier, one is bound to get through.

Tom Clancy thought of that one ahead of you. And I suppose the Russians as most of his stuff comes from real military.

When they do military war gaming one of the rules is that the carriers are unsinkable. That is because if a carrier goes down the exercise terminates with all the other ships in the carrier group trying to escape the combat area. Not that useful for training purposes.

If they have a weapon that can sink a carrier, that would be the end of our navy as a combat asset. And it would greatly limit any military operation beyond our borders. All of a sudden all that money we spent for all those years of preparedness would be for naught.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 11, 2019 1:24 PM  

Pulling out of Syria is a great first step.

No argument about that - and orange one deserves the full credit for taking the needed step. He's been wanting to for some time also. Look at what he had to go through just to do something which theoretically have been done with a simple order from the Commander in Chief on January 21, 2017. They're staying in Iraq though. Two years for a simple pullout from a place where the legions had no legitimate business whatsoever.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 1:24 PM  

Matamoros wrote:Don't forget the Ford doesn't even have urinals, because....women ruin everything.

As I recall, the Ford doesn't have functional catapults, either, which means it isn't actually able to function as an aircraft carrier. It's more of an aircraft roach motel.

No competent crew, no catapult, no urinals ... the Navy is just pissing in the wind with this one.

Blogger Harry Spitz February 11, 2019 1:27 PM  

It is beginning to look like the USN is going to play the same role in the next war that the Spanish navy played in the Spanish-American War - target practice.
I wonder what the Chinese Admiral Dewey's pity comment will be?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 1:30 PM  

Right Republican wrote:OMG this is all so frightening, mainly because we are already spending $700 billion a year for....what? And it'll take even MORE money to improve the situation?

We're spending $700(10^9) annually to keep the military industrial complex graft flowing. Most of that money has nothing to do with military readiness. Thus, the F35, the LCS that can't put to sea, the aircraft carrier that can't launch aircraft, the defense procurement programs judged by how many congressional districts they spend money in, and so on.

We could spend a lot less money and have a much more effective military, if it were run as a military rather than as a SJW jobs and graft racket.

Blogger Longtime Lurker February 11, 2019 1:57 PM  

"No wonder the Russians were able to defeat US forces in Syria."

A bloodless victory if there ever was one.*

*Wagner Group not included.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 11, 2019 2:04 PM  


“And because there was need of more pay for the shouters and marchers,
They disbanded in face of their foemen their yeomen and archers.”

*Sigh* Kipling warned us about all of this over 100 years ago. Will we ever learn?

Blogger Avalanche February 11, 2019 2:04 PM  

I want to SCREAM!!!!

"...issues of utmost national security: the war in Afghanistan, the development of nuclear weapons in North Korea, ISIS fighters in the Middle East, Al Shabab terrorists in the Horn of Africa, the expansionist aims of China and Russia....
...sent a destroyer to help the small Pacific islands of Tuvalu and Nauru enforce their fisheries laws.
"

W.T.F.?! UTMOST national security?! For whom?! Sure as hell NOT for this country!!


I came out of (6-yrs active duty in) the Navy 100% convinced that women do NOT belong in the military! (Except in limited, and mainly medical roles.) I LOVED the Navy, and had planned on 20 years and, unlike a lot of the girls who worked for me, I was capable in the positions that I held. However, taking into account the requirements of many of the jobs (most, even!) I -- and nearly every other woman! -- was not and could not be capable for many positions.

That always means the men have to pick up the slack, and there is always slack! That's just WRONG! Yes, certainly some (verv very very damned few!) women can 'do the work' -- and maybe it's unfair to deny them the opportunity. Life is unfair, get over it!

The damned social manipulators -- tikkun olam, god dammit! -- are perfectly willing to kill soldiers and sailors who can do the job, in order to make people who cannot feel better. (And why in the HELL did Trump's order to shitcan all those damned trannies NOT get implemented?!)

Did y'all read any parts of the inspector's review of the USS Fitzgerald (the Aegis-class destroyer that was rammed by the MV Crystal in the Straits of Japan, killing 9-10 sailors)? He found bottles of urine on the CIC floor. Weight benches in the CIC. The main radar system (I forget its name) was inoperable and they were cannibalizing parts from it for the one on the bridge -- but it did not matter anyway, because none of the sailors IN the CIC knew how to operate it?!?! And the effing (girl-)Officer of the Deck on the bridge "wasn't talking to" the girl running the CIC (pissy snippy little girl fight) so she didn't KNOW about the oncoming ship?!


(Sorry, I'm just SO tired of this insane jeopardizing of the Navy for stupid stupid destructive "feelings.")

Blogger veryfunnyminion February 11, 2019 2:18 PM  

Who knew that E Pluribus Unum was latin for women ruin everything?

Blogger God Emperor Memes February 11, 2019 2:19 PM  

Only if you have enough money to isolate yourself from the feminists, druids,racial grievance warriors and homosexuals who run that Socialist Workers' Paradise.

Blogger Longtime Lurker February 11, 2019 2:20 PM  

@55: Winner!

Blogger veryfunnyminion February 11, 2019 2:30 PM  

Cloudswrest wrote:From Jim's Blog

The 2018 Nuclear Posture Review has recently appeared, revealing that we have lost all nuclear military technology:

U.S. production of tritium, a critical strategic material for nuclear weapons, is now insufficient to meet the forthcoming U.S. nuclear force sustainment demands, or to hedge against unforeseen developments. Programs are planned, but not yet fully funded, to ease these critical production shortfalls.


From here: https://blog.jim.com/war/technological-decline-3/



Why am I thinking of Owen Benjamin and the moon landing all of a sudden?

Blogger Dirk Manly February 11, 2019 2:36 PM  

@21

"The Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon decided to go all out on new 'transformative' ships and classes."

It's McNamara and his "whiz kids" all over again.

@23

"The cost of one aircraft carrier must be pretty expensive, not to mention the number of lives and trained personnel.

About $15 per person in the U.S. Nuke subs about $3 per person in the U.S.

Quite cheap compared to what we are paying for programs whose primary effect is to encourage women of IQ 95 and below to reproduce as early, as frequently, and for as long as possible, by giving them lavish cash and prizes for doing so.

@40

"Perhaps our Navy would be better off protecting our own shores."

The primary purpose of our navy is, and always has been, to protect our shipping lanes. Freedom of Navigation was one of the primary causes of the War for Independence. Those who insisted on practicing freedom of navigation were vilified as smugglers by the British Crown.

Protecting our shores is something the Army and Air Force can do. Coastal Defense batteries have always been capable (if not always funded) for bigger weaponry than any ship can carry. And most warships are armored only to defend against the same size weaponry as what it carries, on the theory that it can outrun anything carrying heavier weapons) But for an invasion, you have to close in on the coastal defense batteries.

Also, the best way for a navy to defend a coastline is with subs, not surface ships.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 11, 2019 2:53 PM  

@46

"OMG this is all so frightening, mainly because we are already spending $700 billion a year for....what?"

$2100/person.
The Fraud, Waste and Abuse is in the F-35 program, and the Air Force in general (all Airmen, down to Airman Basic are guaranteed barracks^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HDORMITORIES at 4-star hotel level of service (including maids who clean and do laundry), or else they get BONUS PAY for "harsh living conditions."

The other is in the 3 new naval platforms. The ones that they tried, for almost a decade, to run using Windows -- resulting in ships being towed back into port due to BSODs killing the power plant (finally someone knocked some sense into someone's head, and they switched to Linux). The Zumwalt anti-radar architecture is probably good. The idea of running a ship the size of a WW2 cruiser DURING A BATTLE with 40 men is absolutely batshit insane. Question #1: Who is going to do damage control? This is the level of optimism and shortsightedness in naval architecture and staffing with regard to combat damage not seen since the Japanese Navy before and during WW2.

" Yes, that may mean surrendering planetary control to the Chinese, but if we quit buying their cheap stuff, build it here, and put America First, perhaps we could cut them off from the cash supply and make it just as hard for them to run the global military empire as it is for us right now."

Amen!

@49

"No competent crew, no catapult, no urinals ... the Navy is just pissing in the wind with this one."

It kind of reflects the Ford administration.

The U.S.S. Jimmy Carter will have the dubious distinction of being the first US Navy ship to be captured by the Iranians.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2019 2:58 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:The U.S.S. Jimmy Carter will have the dubious distinction of being the first US Navy ship to be captured by the Iranians.
Third:
Iran Captures 10 U.S. Navy Personnel, John Kerry Tweets About Cheese.

Blogger pyrrhus February 11, 2019 3:04 PM  

>Isn't the surface navy kind of obsolete, given that the enemy can just fire missiles at them for lower cost?

Yes, and don't think some people in the Pentagon don't know that...ANd with energy weapons soon a threat too.

Blogger veryfunnyminion February 11, 2019 3:05 PM  

All things considered, maybe they meant a show of farce....

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-11/uk-sending-aircraft-carrier-china-show-force

Blogger Silent Draco February 11, 2019 3:06 PM  

Gen. Kong, the Gokdwater-Nichols Deform Act strikes again. Sometimes the service chiefs need to tell theater commanders to go 'flank' themselves, and make it stick.

Blogger L February 11, 2019 3:06 PM  

The Navy used a foreign commercial transport company to carry the McCain and the Fitzgerald home for repairs. The Navy should invest in such vessels if it can't clean up its act.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 11, 2019 3:09 PM  

Since the end of the Vietnam war, the Us military has become little more than a very inefficient jobs program for many of the most otherwise unemployable of our nation.

Was thinking about a documentary I watched on the Falklands Wars, where smaller ships were used as screening ships for the carriers and transports

And got beat up badly, by what were first-, maybe second-gen, anti-ship missiles, and fairly old aircraft.

Blogger Joseph Maroney February 11, 2019 3:12 PM  

"It seems to me that there are 'factions' among the globalists, and a few of them want to stay with the US draining us for every cent and piece of tech before they discard/destroy us [or maybe transform us] while others consider that point/objective already reached."

This is true. They fight each other over money and power but their end goals are the same. They have no problem draining every cent -- they just want to be the ones doing it.

Blogger Alphaeus February 11, 2019 3:13 PM  

Remember when the Japanese sank HMS Repulse & Prince of Wales? Remember when the Merrimac (CSS Virginia) sank the USS Cumberland at The Battle of Hampton Roads? Remember when the triremes sank the Persian fleet at the Battle of Salamis?
It should be no surprise that Sea Change is constant in the history of Naval technology. Whoever relies on the past is doomed to destruction.

Blogger pyrrhus February 11, 2019 3:14 PM  

@18 Not true...The Navy is highly vulnerable to conventional, but hypersonic, missiles that are quite cheap compared to their targets..Our existing missile defenses won't work against hypersonic missiles, or the soon to be deployed energy weapons.

Blogger Silly but True February 11, 2019 3:15 PM  

Sure, Navy SEAL but point stands since they’ve been shouldering Army domain “global war on terror” ops.

Edward Gallagher is the cautionary tale. The only way anyone could ever go on 7 combat duties — 19 years of continuous combat, longer than some of his enemies have been alive — is if the country pushes feckless neo-con infinite war.

Blogger Silent Draco February 11, 2019 3:16 PM  

Dirk, question for you and others. Caveat: I need the Secert Decoder Ring to speak Navy.

If the USA continues to move manufacturing onshore, reopens some vital steps l mines (defang most of the EPA), and continues with onshore and coastal oil development, what shipping lanes and to what nations need protection?

Bonus round question: how does the Middle East become a forgotten backwater again?

Blogger Zander Stander February 11, 2019 3:22 PM  

The USS Donald Trump. That sounds so right. Hope I see it one day. When they skipped Barry O in the naming convention.

Blogger Daniel February 11, 2019 3:33 PM  

These two items caught my attention.

"A legion of poorly trained junior officers aboard the ships were being promoted, Balisle warned, creating a generation of unprepared leaders....

"Specifically, Work recalled raising concerns about a request around 2011 to have two of the Navy’s 11 aircraft carriers — and their escort ships — in the Persian Gulf at all times, an unusual demand that would require putting off repairs and training.....


Blogger kennymac February 11, 2019 3:36 PM  

“barracks^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HDORMITORIES at 4-star hotel level of service (including maids who clean and do laundry)“ that’s a bunch of bullshit, Dirk.

Blogger Freeholder February 11, 2019 3:42 PM  

I could tell the draw down was going to be painful in '92, one of the 3-4 reasons I never became Lt. Freeholder.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2019 3:43 PM  

"OMG this is all so frightening, mainly because we are already spending $700 billion a year for....what? "

Jesus Christ... are you an 11 year old girl? Because you sound like an 11 year old girl.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2019 3:44 PM  

Silent Draco wrote:what shipping lanes and to what nations need protection?
Our oil exports, primarily.

Blogger dienw February 11, 2019 4:00 PM  

Related:
The Blackwater mercenary business is now Chinese; in other words, China now has an army in the United States. Will American mercenaries be replaced by Chinese "veterans" because Americans won't work?

Blackwater Mercenary Prince Has a New $1 Trillion Chinese Boss

Blogger OneWingedShark February 11, 2019 4:03 PM  

dienw wrote:Related:

The Blackwater mercenary business is now Chinese; in other words, China now has an army in the United States. Will American mercenaries be replaced by Chinese "veterans" because Americans won't work?

Blackwater Mercenary Prince Has a New $1 Trillion Chinese Boss

Now this is interesting.
(Thank you for sharing it.)

Blogger SciVo February 11, 2019 4:03 PM  

Not to worry! It will just declare bankruptcy and the parts will be sold to other navies to satisfy the bondholders, while the admirals that ran it into the ground get golden parachutes. That's how it works, right? Judging by results, I'm pretty sure that's what they teach Harvard MBAs.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 11, 2019 4:08 PM  

The .mil has been a jobs program for contractor firms since...at least 1950. It looks from this report like the decision was made some time ago to do away with even a fig leaf rationalization for having an ACTUAL Navy...why bother when the contracts are the main focus.

In time of Plenitude "we" can afford limitless guns and butter. "We" can issue IOU's by the ocean of them, because (as with all intangible assets) increasing supply doesn't reduce price when price is rising in a bull market.

I continue to watch the DJIA (and how few people have even 3 months of bills saved up, much less how few people actually are saving for "retirement") and simply marvel at the herd's ability to wander, stoned on Everything-Is-Awesomeness, in a fog of complacency.

Diversity.
Sexual Deviancy.
Utterly careless of the future.
Feelings of trust so deep that no threats can even be PERCEIVED.

This crap gives me hypertension.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 11, 2019 4:11 PM  

dienw wrote:Related:

The Blackwater mercenary business is now Chinese; in other words, China now has an army in the United States. Will American mercenaries be replaced by Chinese "veterans" because Americans won't work?

Blackwater Mercenary Prince Has a New $1 Trillion Chinese Boss


Yeah the massive moral decline, makes talking military stuff next to useless, although entertaining. I've probably played too many video games.

I suppose China can potentially walk in virtually unopposed fairly soon if the USA and UK don't get their shit together. Don't they have more of a military caste or class going, some level of prerequisite psychological toughness.

Blogger Right Republican February 11, 2019 4:13 PM  

#76 Got your attention tho didn't it?

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 11, 2019 4:19 PM  

The main Chinese shareholder is even called Ming...

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 11, 2019 4:21 PM  

#76 Got your attention tho didn't it?

So does a man molesting a goat in the middle of the street.

Blogger Haxo Angmark February 11, 2019 4:24 PM  

no surprise, the Report left unmentioned the Central Problem:

replacement of White male warriors by SJW's.

let's refresh our memories re the 2015 USS Donald Cook debacle:

this destroyer was in the Black Sea, poking along the Russian coast, and generally making a nuisance of itself. So the Russians sent out a couple planes, one equipped for EW. The latter pulse-fried the Cook's electronic command and communications, leaving it helpless. The second aircraft then made a dozen or so close mock-firing passes. During which the entire female component of the crew, including several officers, went hysterical/catatonic. Eventually the Cook limped over to the Romanian port Costanza and offloaded the grls.

@54: "why in hell did not Trump's order to shitcan all those trannies not get implemented"

because before issuing the public (fake)-order, Trump phoned Mattis and said something like this:

"I gotta throw another bone to the idiots who voted for me...pay it no mind."

IOTW, Trump's standard MO on almost every issue.

Blogger eclecticme February 11, 2019 4:38 PM  

When US defence spending goes down I am suspicious.
When US defence spending goes up I am suspicious.
When US people argue for more defence spending I am very suspicious.

I just skimmed the article. In summary: given X current budget spend more on trainng and maintenance and less on new toys. Also engage in fewer missions.

I recall that during the Clinton years military spending was cut. Then he kept sending carriers out more often to save the world or whatever. Carrier crews got burned out with less time at home and maybe less maintenance.

In his book The Great Deformation David Stockman gives his take on the massive increase of military spending under Reagan.

Blogger eclecticme February 11, 2019 4:47 PM  

It is hard to know what to believe when the MSM 'news' is so poor. I come across such 'news' only by accident and ignore it.

I recall one incident years ago. Some Russian jets buzzed a US ship maybe in the Baltic or Black Sea. The US 'news' was hysterical. Some people on the now defunct Ann Coulter Official Chat (ACOC) had military experience and explained in detail why this was nothing. Later sailors on that ship posted videos of the fly by. The sailors were on deck on shirt sleeves grinning ear to ear. It was the most fun they had had in a long time.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2019 4:49 PM  

'#76 Got your attention tho didn't it?'

It did.

it made me think... I should delete that comment... because its stupid and sounds like it was written by an 11 year old girl.

Blogger Up from the pond February 11, 2019 5:13 PM  

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Blogger JohnofAustria February 11, 2019 5:13 PM  

Sweet Zeus. Any good reading that hasn't been filtered for wrongthink?

Blogger Up from the pond February 11, 2019 5:15 PM  

OT ?

Rep. Ilhan Omar just now caved. There is no such thing as AIPAC, there never was such a thing as AIPAC, what are you even talking about, you anti-Semites.

I don't like Moslems in America. But the premise that the current U.S.A. isn't a colony of Israel grows demonstrably weaker with every incident like this. And people with any brains at all know it. We can smell it, we're not fools. It's right in our face with events like Steve King's forced apology, and now Omar's.

If I were Omar, I would call a press conference.

And this is the apology I would give there.

"I unequivocally apologize to AIPAC and the ADL! I bow to my Jewish masters! I am sorry for suggesting that the agents of a foreign government have any outsize power over the U.S. That is an obvious canard! I make just one request: please, PLEASE don't kill my family as you threatened to do this morning! I beg you, my Jewish masters, my holy, moral Chosen People of God! YOU ARE GOD, and I apologize! I lick your feet!"

I would say this while screaming and crying in terror into the lenses of the cameras.

That's what they want, isn't it? Be honest, you know it is. Benjamin Shapiro would puff up with satanic satisfaction upon hearing this public propitiation.

So why not give them exactly what they want--live, in full view of the former U.S.A.?

Blogger Avalanche February 11, 2019 5:26 PM  

@71 "Bonus round question: how does the Middle East become a forgotten backwater again?"

Maybe if WE 'desert' the ME, the Chinese can come with their apparently somewhat better system for managing out of control mohammedans? They'll need to oil, and they've got the workers to put in place to run it and extract it.

Blogger SciVo February 11, 2019 5:30 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Diversity.

Sexual Deviancy.

Utterly careless of the future.

Feelings of trust so deep that no threats can even be PERCEIVED.

This crap gives me hypertension.


My prescription: watch Pollyanna again, and try practicing her philosophy. For example: if our navy loses credibility in its Freedom of Navigation mission and intercontinental trade grinds to a halt, thanks to our trade imbalance, our GDP will go up!

Blogger OneWingedShark February 11, 2019 5:32 PM  

Up from the pond wrote:Rep. Ilhan Omar just now caved. There is no such thing as AIPAC, there never was such a thing as AIPAC, what are you even talking about, you anti-Semites.

I don't like Moslems in America. But the premise that the current U.S.A. isn't a colony of Israel grows demonstrably weaker with every incident like this. And people with any brains at all know it. We can smell it, we're not fools. It's right in our face with events like Steve King's forced apology, and now Omar's.

If I were Omar, I would call a press conference.

And this is the apology I would give there.

"I unequivocally apologize to AIPAC and the ADL! I bow to my Jewish masters! I am sorry for suggesting that the agents of a foreign government have any outsize power over the U.S. That is an obvious canard! I make just one request: please, PLEASE don't kill my family as you threatened to do this morning! I beg you, my Jewish masters, my holy, moral Chosen People of God! YOU ARE GOD, and I apologize! I lick your feet!"

On that note, here is a Whitehouse.gov petition to make the citizenships of congressmen, federal judges, and executive appointees public on the justification that dual-citizenship creates dual-loyalties.

Blogger kurt9 February 11, 2019 5:49 PM  

Glenn Reynolds had this issue on his blog the last time we discussed this. I think we all agree that the Navy and the military in general is in deplorable shape. The question I asked in Reynold's blog, and am asking here, is how does the current situation compare to that of the late 70's, which was the last time the military was in deplorable condition.

Blogger Danelle Blackman February 11, 2019 5:58 PM  

Up from the pond wrote:But the premise that the current U.S.A. isn't a colony of Israel grows demonstrably weaker with every incident like this.
Hypothetically it could even have been tolerable if they weren't a bunch of paranoid, neurotic, incompetent schizophrenics.

Apparently they colonized us merely so they could issue the order, "don't you dare notice what we've done" then frantically scream in panic every time someone gets close to pointing out the obvious.

Blogger Azimus February 11, 2019 6:06 PM  

Interestingly, 2011 was the year after this report, and the first year since the mid-1990's that defense spending was cut - depending on how you figure inflation.

I guess the report didn't bother Congress that much.

I'm not sure when the Navy went from 600 ships to 300, but since their budget grew during that whole time I can only think that the money was going to increasingly sophisticated weapons systems and training that our population in increasingly unable to provide sailors to keep in consistent operation.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 6:07 PM  

it made me think... I should delete that comment... because its stupid and sounds like it was written by an 11 year old girl.

It would be crueler to leave it.

Blogger liberranter February 11, 2019 6:08 PM  

The USSA has the navy that it deserves.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 6:10 PM  

I'm not sure when the Navy went from 600 ships to 300, but since their budget grew during that whole time I can only think that the money was going to increasingly sophisticated weapons systems and training ...

More like increasingly blatant and expensive pork barreling in Congress, and increasing corruption in the procurement system. It's a rich man's club, and you aren't in it.

Blogger Lara February 11, 2019 6:23 PM  

Vox, what do you think of Lega's proposal to reopen brothels in Italy and ban street prostitution, taxing prostitutes and making sure they take health exams every six months? Do you think this is going to increase the amount of boys who frequent prostitutes and women who see this as a career? Is this going to hurt families in the long run?

Blogger English Tom February 11, 2019 6:25 PM  

@Gen Kong

Israel will,be very happy for the US to smash Iran. If the US goes down after that, im sure Israelis would be heartbroken.

Not.

Blogger liberranter February 11, 2019 6:26 PM  

On that note, here is a Whitehouse.gov petition to make the citizenships of congressmen, federal judges, and executive appointees public on the justification that dual-citizenship creates dual-loyalties.

Good idea. We can't have divided loyalties, oh nosiree. Any of these scumbags who shows primary loyalty to the USofA has to be tossed out on their arse.

Blogger weka February 11, 2019 6:30 PM  

In NZ you cannot isolate yourselves from the American Greens who are now ministers of the crown. And need to go back.

Blogger English Tom February 11, 2019 6:31 PM  

How does the middle East become a forgotten backwater again.

Destroy Israel, throw out all the jews from the US and voila, you have it.

Blogger English Tom February 11, 2019 6:34 PM  

The smaller ships as screens for the carriers has long been a,mainstay for carrier battle groups. See: 100 days by Sandy Woodward, who commanded the Falklands task force.

Blogger Iron Spartan February 11, 2019 6:36 PM  

The loss of a carrier group is a given. How many different games have shown that its not just possible but likely. The Admiralty's response is the same every time, ignore it. To question the trajectory of the modern military is to see your career destroyed.

When it happens there will be finger pointing, some O-5s will be sacrificed. The question will be what happens next.

Blogger English Tom February 11, 2019 6:37 PM  

Having even one carrier in the Persian gulf is an act of stupidity, but two?
I can only,assume, If this was to happen, that they were being deliberately used as bait to entice Iran to attack. Israel first eh!

Blogger Hammerli280 February 11, 2019 6:37 PM  

@64: "Gen. Kong, the Gokdwater-Nichols Deform Act strikes again. Sometimes the service chiefs need to tell theater commanders to go 'flank' themselves, and make it stick."

Bingo! Goldwater-Nichols is a major part of the problem. It divides the world up into theaters of operation. The theater commanders want more, More, MORE! Of everything.

And there isn't enough. There never is...the arguments in World War II over resource allocation were epic. But back then, General Marshall, Admiral King, and their British counterparts had their argument and came out with one policy. They might have gritted their teeth, but they did it.

Goldwater-Nichols stripped the JCS of any command authority.

Hell, I've got a paper on the subject, if I can find a place to print it. U.S. Naval Institute turned me down...maybe I need to rework it and resubmit.

Blogger English Tom February 11, 2019 6:42 PM  

Ming the Merciless!

Where's Flash Gordon when needed?

Blogger Hammerli280 February 11, 2019 6:50 PM  

@96: "...how does the current situation compare to that of the late 70's, which was the last time the military was in deplorable condition."

In my opinion, worse. In the late 1970s, readiness was low. Drugs were a problem. On the other hand, one of the reasons why readiness was low was that Harold Brown was putting his inadequate budget into the development of a new generation of weapons that would exploit the Strategy of Technology. And there was a LOT of new thinking going on...AirLand Battle, the Maritime Strategy. And there were enough senior officers and NCOs who remembered what a proper military looked like.

The military machine that Reagan took over was starvation weak, but sound in the bone and sharp in the mind. Ready to fill out to titanic strength as soon as it was properly nourished.

Today? It's been nearly thirty years since the end of the Cold War. Both parties have rode the military hard, used up the assets, then turned around and repaired little, replaced even less. Many of the weapons development programs have been foolish (LCS being the prime example). Goldwater-Nichols and DAIWA have encouraged the promotion of staffers over warfighters. Political correctness has driven out too many good people. Above all, it's been so damned long that nearly nobody in uniform remembers what a taut Fleet looks and acts like.

Yes, I'm worried. Disgusted. I'm career Civil Service, working for the Navy for over 35 years. This is NOT the Fleet I served.

And there doesn't seem to be anybody in Congress or this administration who realizes how much trouble we're in.

Damn, I wish I could be SECDEF. Just to have the chance to straighten this mess out while there's still a chance.

Blogger Bee February 11, 2019 6:57 PM  

The US Navy does have problems compared to its readiness during the 80s and 90s. However, it's worth noting that the Chinese and Russian navies
also have severe problems. A bit of research will reveal numerous examples of corruption scandals, accidents, funding shortfalls, numerous ships sidelined for lack of maintenance, etc. Look up the recent PD 50 disaster in Russia and the various problems plaguing China's navy like corruption issues and pilot shortages. Russia is also having severe problems with naval engine quality and availability. Sure, both have potent navies - but both also have issues that are at least as bad and likely far worse than the US Navy (which at least can run most of its ships at sea) possesses. To ignore them is close your eyes to reality.




Blogger Bee February 11, 2019 7:12 PM  

On the 600 to 300 ship navy, it's actually worthwhile to also compare tonnage or capabilities. The US Navy replaced a lot of smaller patrol frigates (armed with a single missile launcher with 40 small missiles that could only fire one at a time) with bigger and much more capable Arleigh Burke class destroyers (each carrying 90 missile tubes capable of firing much more potent missiles, plus far more sophisticated sensors and much more effective defensive systems). Thus, in terms of tonnage and capability, the difference is not as significant.

Of course, a smaller number of more capable ships has a significant effect of peacetime readiness. In peacetime, a small patrol frigate and a multi-billion dollar destroyer are equally useful in showing the flag or chasing pirates or enforcing embargoes or whatever. As a result, if you try to do the same number of peacetime missions with 300 ships as you do with 600, you run into overworked crews and accidents.

In wartime, having half as many vessels that are several times more effective is much more useful _ unless of course you"ve burned out the crews in make_work peacetime missions and diversity training>





Blogger Dirk Manly February 11, 2019 7:21 PM  

@71

"If the USA continues to move manufacturing onshore, reopens some vital steps l mines (defang most of the EPA), and continues with onshore and coastal oil development, what shipping lanes and to what nations need protection?"

If we return to mercantilism, which is how we went from 3rd-rate backwater without even cobblestone roads, to world superpower in 150 years, then that means
1) Imports (raw materials): There are several of theses (nickel, chrome, titanium, strontium) for which our domestic ores are scarce to non-existent. Protecting the sea lanes which those raw materials pass through is important.
2) Exports (finished goods): More sea lanes to protect to make sure our products get to the foreign markets.
3) Littoral craft are needed for the -- "you screw with our merchant ships, we will invade you, and install a puppet leader, who will kill you out of fear for his own safety." threat.

Why? Because we can't make decent amounts of money and sustain our standard of living trading only with Mexico and Canada, not even if we do throw in the rest of the Central and South American countries.
@74

"“barracks^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HDORMITORIES at 4-star hotel level of service (including maids who clean and do laundry)“ that’s a bunch of bullshit, Dirk."

Why have so many airmen of various ranks mentioned to me over the years that they were getting extra pay during their time on an Army base, because they had to clean their own rooms due to lack of maid service? Not to mention $600/month for living in a large tent, with hard floors and electrical service. Also, I have never seen any place with 3 or more USAF personnel without a swimming pool -- even if they had to deliver a 16' diameter backyard pool to that installation. Mind you, I've been in 29 years now, and have 3 wartime deployments.

@83

"@76 Got your attention tho didn't it?"

Not in the right way.

@96

"The question I asked in Reynold's blog, and am asking here, is how does the current situation compare to that of the late 70's, which was the last time the military was in deplorable condition."

Good: Morale and troops desire to accomplish missions is higher (Army)
Bad: Too many service members, especially officers, are mystery meat, of unknown loyalty and motivations.

A key to the problem is that Trump hasn't purged EVERY single flag officer promoted by Obama. Doing that alone would improve MANY things.


You can count on the enlisted to at least attempt to save their own skins. Currently, we can't count on the flag ranks to protect them from NEEDLESS sacrifice.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2019 7:30 PM  

"The loss of a carrier group is a given. "

its only a given if we fail to make a radical change to how we project power.

Pulling back from Syria is a great first step... but its only a step.

Blogger Lovekraft February 11, 2019 7:32 PM  

Obama worked behind-the-scenes to structure the western military to be either incompetent (Political Correctness) or under the caliphate (Britain).

Blogger Rhys February 11, 2019 7:35 PM  

DEMORALIZED AND APATHETIC ARMED FORCES:

1 dump truck full of diversity
1/100 tablespoon of tranny hormone serum
3 decades of pointless imperialist aggression
And a dash of gay

Combine contents in oversized toilet bowl. Add the South China Sea. Stir until mixture is lumpy, smelly, and brown. Serve at room tempurature.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 11, 2019 7:40 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:Hell, I've got a paper on the subject, if I can find a place to print it. U.S. Naval Institute turned me down...maybe I need to rework it and resubmit.
I'd be interested in reading it.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf February 11, 2019 7:55 PM  

Devin (of Black Pilled) suggested that bulkanization of the USA is quite probable. If this occurred to him organically, then likely outcomes are becoming apparent. When will we elect a Dictator POTUS? I used to think 2034 was too close, now it seems too far off.

Blogger Brett baker February 11, 2019 8:10 PM  

The F-35 is awesome when they keep the maintainence up on them. The LCS, not so much.

Blogger Goose February 11, 2019 8:15 PM  

Go to www.propublicia.org to read both articles on this subject. You will then want to take a rope and hang several of the arrogant self promoting POS of puzzle palace many of whom have left and are living the high life on your money. The people on these boats never had a chance. This was murder by conspiracy IMHO.

Blogger K G February 11, 2019 8:50 PM  

Not too many able bodied males in the USA are all that willing to come solve the problem either. I expect the next major conflict to be a surprise for enlistment numbers. The US military has gone from being an effective fighting force of well trained young men led by experienced and intelligent seniors, to being a second option to college for ugly girls looking to sue or screw their way into a better form of welfare living without having to meet any of the demands or realities of the private sector. It’s a retard summer camp, let’s be honest.

Blogger Verne February 11, 2019 9:40 PM  

We need a navy. The sea makes up most our borders. Making a standing navy our most needed military branch. It’s our outsized Army that is used to occupy a major part of the world that is a problem. Same story with our overseas air force bases

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 10:07 PM  

Verne wrote:We need a navy. The sea makes up most our borders. Making a standing navy our most needed military branch. It’s our outsized Army that is used to occupy a major part of the world that is a problem. Same story with our overseas air force bases

The Founding Fathers saw all of that very clearly. It's all still true.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 11, 2019 10:12 PM  

We need a navy. The sea makes up most our borders.

Yet millions from sub-hum-, excuse me, sub-Saharan Africa have invaded our green and gentle land. A ten million ship navy and armies that cover the land and air forces that darken the skies mean nothing if the "policy makers" won't close the gate.

Blogger kurt9 February 11, 2019 10:29 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:

Many of the weapons development programs have been foolish (LCS being the prime example). Goldwater-Nichols and DAIWA have encouraged the promotion of staffers over warfighters. Political correctness has driven out too many good people.

Richard Marcinko in his rogue warrior novels talked about some of this. He said that the purpose of the LCS's was nothing more than to allow more senior officers to make flag-rank. He also said that staff people were being promoted at the expense of operations (e.g. warriors). These novels came out in the 90's. I can't imagine what it is like today. The issue of staffers has its counterpart in private industry, where the "staff" people (accounting, finance, HR, etc.) have become more c-level officers than the "line" people (production, engineering, sales, etc.). This suggests certain things were done in the mid-90's (like Clinton doing things with labor law) that had the result of elevating the staff people to that of the line people (this is the number one I despise corporate America today as compared to the 80's).

Blogger Pilgrims Pride February 11, 2019 10:39 PM  

And I'm old enough to remember when ships were "manned."

Saith the Dread Lord,
". . . the ability of the Navy to properly crew its ships"

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2019 10:48 PM  

Pilgrims Pride wrote:And I'm old enough to remember when ships were "manned."

Saith the Dread Lord,

". . . the ability of the Navy to properly crew its ships"


Of course, proper ships' crews are male. Otherwise they're not proper ships, just floating brothels.

Blogger Bobiojimbo February 11, 2019 11:47 PM  

All of this article is true.

Blogger Unknown February 12, 2019 12:02 AM  

Regarding people throwing around the 300 ship number, look into that.

You will find the real # of actual warships to be far less than that. 66 Arleigh Burke class destroyers in service, with 5 building. 22 Ticonderoga class cruisers in service. 10 carriers, 8 LHDs, 11 LPDs, and that is pretty much it, not counting the LCS ships or minesweepers.

That adds up to 117 real warships, not 300.

It really needs to be about twice that, given the operational tempo.

Everyone involved in the LCS project needs to be fired with loss of pension, from the PoS Vice admiral that thought they were a good idea on down.

We could do without at least half the flag officers we have now, too, while we're at it.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 12, 2019 12:29 AM  

@92. et al.

So Omar assumed the position. What's truly remarkable that they made her do it so fast. The state of the union (as VD noted previously) is indeed post mortem. It's like the scene described by Solzhenitsyn when Koba the Dread (Stalin) gave a speech at a paper plant and all attending rose to their feet in unanimous applause which went on endlessly as desperate looks started to appear - when the factory manager at last stopped and sat down. Later on as the KGB was detaining him and had him filling out the forms to send him to the gulag, he asked why. The officer's simple response was ...

Don't ever be the first to stop applauding.

There's a similar scene every few years in the Rotten Banana Empire's congress of whores every time Bibi or the current PM of the most important country evah gives a speech. Thunderous, endless peals of applause and shouts of praise - for a Satanist.

Blogger McJibblits February 12, 2019 1:44 AM  

I just call it the United Favelas of America. It'll be that soon enough if nothing changes.

Blogger John Best February 12, 2019 1:54 AM  

Apparently the British minister of war wants to build swarms of drones and littoral strike vessels. You can't make this up, clinically retarded or just evil.

Blogger Northwest Watching Thing February 12, 2019 4:50 AM  

I was in the navy 99-2005 as a sub nuke electrician. Even at the time, those that had been in a bit longer commented frequently that the training program that was supposed to be a filter, was turned into a pump. A lot of people that weren't fit for the job were making it through the training pipeline. During my time in we went to sea twice without properly qualified staffing in our department because our new guys weren't working out and had to be gotten rid of.
The second time was a shortage of electronics techs. Not a good thing when you only have 2 people qualified to operate the reactor, and they still have to fit training/maintenance in between very short periods of sleep.

Blogger Mark Stoval February 12, 2019 5:02 AM  

"What we are witnessing here is nothing new, it is absolutely normal for an empire that has indulged itself in imperial overstretch for generations to fail to fund its military infrastructure prior to engaging in the conflict that fatally exposes the rot within" - VD

You can assign the beginning of the destruction to many different years. I have seen people get into mud slinging debates over that.

I assign the beginning of the destruction of the USA to the USA getting into WW1. That started the USA as a world wide military power and destroyed any hope of a real peace in Europe. Then after WW2 we never left anyplace.

A militaristic empire had to go the way the USA has gone. There was no other path one could have hoped for.

Will we ever bring home all the troops and mount a defensive posture protecting just the USA??? Hell no. Almost everyone wants to rule the world. This is satanic in nature, but we have become a satanic country.

Blogger JovianStorm February 12, 2019 5:18 AM  

When GPS and propulsion tech allow for cheap missiles with 500 mile ranges to be launched in 1000-missle salvos from expendable drone ships (US and allies) or expendable manned ships (China), Navies are essentially worthless unless an EMP or other kind of shield can stop 100% incoming 100% of the time.

We might very well get rid of outdated hardware and the SJW crews if we try to step up to the plate with billion dollar ships against cheap Russian antiship missiles.

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 8:05 AM  

@114 "with bigger and much more capable Arleigh Burke class destroyers"

Yeah, those would be the two (or was it three?) wrecks, two with multiple DEATHS! Yeah, MUCH "more capable" .... With short crews, untrained (maybe untrainable) crews, no parts, no training TIME, no down time -- and with senior officers who will not or cannot protect, provide, and build up the crews to full functioning.

Did you read that horrific article from ProPublica?! I had tears in my eyes most of the way through... that's NOT my Navy ... and I was in back in late 70s/early 80s when the Navy was pretty demoralized and under-funded (but man-oh-man! The "women in the Navy" civilian board was sure full of "ideas" and "demands." (Well, I spelled those words wrong -- should've begun with shi....)

Beyond dismaying.

Blogger Bobiojimbo February 12, 2019 8:07 AM  

@Unknown

You're discounting our submarine fleet. While these aren't warships, they are undeniably a significant strategic element and camca be removed from your counting.

Still, if the Navy were to maintain the same ratio, with its current fleet size, should be at most 50 ships at sea at any given time. They're double that.

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 8:12 AM  

@123 "Not too many able bodied males in the USA are all that willing to come solve the problem either."

Go read Martin van Creveld's book
Pussycats: Why The Rest Keeps Beating The Rest, And What Can Be Done About It
.

Or catch a glimpse here: https://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/03/why-western-troops-cant-win.html
and here

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 8:16 AM  

@133 "United Favelas of America. It'll be that soon enough if nothing changes."

Hmmm, yah haven't seen Los Angeles recently then, eh? Van Nuys? YouTube's got some vids, if you haven't driven through Amerexico...

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2019 8:19 AM  

@140; sorry, left out the second URL:

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2015/07/18/martin-van-creveld-our-armies-become-pussycats-part-1-87369/

Blogger kennymac February 12, 2019 9:05 AM  

I think maybe those Airmen were having a bit of fun at your expense. I was in the AF for 4 years, we never had any maid service for our rooms.

Blogger James Dixon February 12, 2019 9:50 AM  

> I assign the beginning of the destruction of the USA to the USA getting into WW1.

The republic ended with the civil war. You may be correct about the end of the empire.

Blogger Azimus February 12, 2019 9:58 AM  

121. Brett baker February 11, 2019 8:10 PM
The F-35 is awesome when they keep the maintainence up on them. The LCS, not so much.


I was in line with an ANG flight mechanic during the October Trump rally in Wisconsin. He worked on F-16's mostly, but he was singing the praises of the F-35. He was very excited that the plane told him exactly what maintenance needed to be done to it. He was excited that each individual F-35 had its own custom-made replacement parts - as in, a squadron of 12 F-35's would have 12 different front landing gear assemblies, one specific for each plane.

This might be great in peace-time, but how does that actually work in war? The F-35 is the show piece for over-designed-for-stats, underdesigned-for-war. We are forgetting the lessons of Eli Whitney. God help the pilots of the F-35.

I was also at the commissioning of LCS-19 USS St. Louis. It may be my bias, but the Freedom-variant seems less of an absurdity than the Independence-trimaran "Do everything with a tiny ship!" variant. The modular construction is fascinating. The helicopter seems to be a bit much, but other than that it seems like a solid frigate-screen/patrol ship type of hull. The main weakness is the tiny crew, which they can (and will in a war) install a crew module and go from a crew of 70 to a crew of 100, which is proportional to its armaments and mission.

The real boondoggle of the Navy, IMO, is the "Minecraft Battleship" DDG-1000 USS Zumwalt. I Or the MQ-25 Stingray. I don't know, there are so many choices...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 11:27 AM  

Azimus wrote:... but how does that actually work in war? ... We are forgetting the lessons of Eli Whitney.

I'm going to guess that it won't actually work in war. It's going to stink in peacetime, and the logistics are going to become impossible in war.

You have to be able to scrounge parts, and every part custom built means no scrounging, and it means that a twelve plane squadron needs twelve times the parts they would need if they were mass produced, like ol' Eli figured out 200 years ago.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 1:43 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:If it didn't make me so angry, that'd be a pretty big black-pill.

I find it more energizing than demoralizing.

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot February 12, 2019 2:06 PM  

Perhaps the demise of the Navy (and by association, the Army, Marines, and Air Force) is a good thing. Remember Pres. George Washington's Farewell Address? The warning about "foreign entanglements"? This could be a kismet moment where stupidity, corruption, and greed actually produce something good. Like, retreating from the rest of the world and focusing on fixing our own house.

Blogger liberranter February 12, 2019 2:12 PM  

Will we ever bring home all the troops and mount a defensive posture protecting just the USA???

It's interesting to contemplate if there will ever be a moment similar to that in A.D. 410 when the Romans abruptly pulled their legions out of Britain, never to return. Or will it be a case of a foundering American empire, in a state of collapse, bankrupt, and tearing itself apart simply abandoning its imperial legions in whatever part of the world they happen to be stuck in?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 3:45 PM  

liberranter wrote:Or will it be a case of a foundering American empire, in a state of collapse, bankrupt, and tearing itself apart simply abandoning its imperial legions in whatever part of the world they happen to be stuck in?

If you're an American serving overseas, you would do well to read the Anabasis, and think how your unit could resupply from the countryside between where you are and home.

Blogger DonReynolds February 12, 2019 4:56 PM  

Thirty years ago (and more), I had discussions with friends and relatives who were still in the Navy...officers and enlisted personnel...and the most important factor to them was the fact that ships at sea were undermanned and everyone was being worked to exhaustion until they made port again. People would get on land and go to bed for a week to rest. Re-enlisting for that life was more and more difficult.

Family life suffered and divorce was a serious issue because of it. Dad is crazy when he comes home and we can barely stand to be around him...we are no longer glad when he comes home for a visit, and we are glad when he goes back to sea duty. It should not be like that and it should not be commonplace in the Navy. It is frustrating and painful for everyone. Only tears and wrecked families remain.

There are practical solutions, but is anyone listening?

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 12, 2019 5:08 PM  

I did hear that Russian Migs are more practical than western fighter jets. Less electronics. I guess it's a bit like modern cars all the electronic gizmos can end up draining the battery if you go on holiday. The USA messed up a bit with the air coverage on 911. I think unless the USA is willing to go nuclear, you need a decent army or be ploughed under by the Chinese. Unless they all go Christian.

Blogger Off The Wall February 12, 2019 5:23 PM  

Capt. Zoe Kotnik, who, with much fanfare, was announced Jan. 29 as the first female pilot to head the F-16 Viper demonstration team, was relieved of command Monday. (Air Force)

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/02/12/first-female-viper-demo-team-pilot-relieved-after-two-weeks/

Blogger K G February 12, 2019 5:43 PM  

Noted. Will do.

Blogger johnnyreb February 12, 2019 10:14 PM  










It may take generations, if ever, to undo the damage wrought by Barack the Magic Negro.

























Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2019 11:33 PM  

Johnnyreb, the HNIC was symptom, not cause, but he did do a lot of damage. He would have done a lot more if he wasn't a worthless pothead.

Blogger George True February 13, 2019 4:53 PM  

I remember reading that the original concept of the littoral ships is that they would be primarily defensive, and would only operate within our own coastal waters up to a maximum of 200 miles off US coasts. Thus, they were more lightly armored and armed than ships that would be part of our blue water navy, such as the 7th Fleet.

There are so many conceptual flaws therein that it defies logic. What if a state actor with a first rate, up-gunned and up-armored blue water navy attacks our coast or our close in military bases or commercial interests? Or what if our littoral ships chase an interloper task Force out to the 200 mile limit, and then circumstances dictate that the chase continue halfway across the Pacific? And then suppose our littoral ships, far away from support, come under attack from unfriendly naval or air forces?

Any US Navy ship of the line that is not as fast, lethal and well-armored as its counterpart in the force projection blue water fleet is useless.

Blogger Azimus February 13, 2019 6:02 PM  

The LCS is designed for, near as I can find: Anti-Submarine Warfare, Mine/Minesweeping Warfare, Surface Warfare. None of these missions indicate being designed to take on a peer or near-peer blue water fleet. Its surface weapons are high-volume close range, which indicates it is designed to fight swarms of boats not cruisers. The minesweeping module indicates it is NOT a coastal defense ship, but patrolling waters of a weaker enemy. Subs, mines, and boats are not the targets of a "ship of the line", if something like that actually exists anymore. This is a corvette, nothing more.

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You put the hole world in a fucked up situation

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