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Tuesday, March 12, 2019

A refusal to learn

You see this napkin? In 24 hours, we could have the signatures of 70 Senators on this napkin.
–Steven Rosen, AIPAC

Questioning support for the U.S.-Israel relationship is unacceptable.
–Rep. Juan Vargas, D-CA

If this capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain would be our commitment to aid — I won’t even call it aid — our cooperation with Israel.
–Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-CA

AIPAC now seems acutely sensitive to the appearance of dual loyalty. The theme of this year’s AIPAC conference was “Israel, an American Value”.
–Jeffrey Goldberg, The New Yorker

How reassuring is it that the only American who upholds the core values of liberty, patriotism and freedom is a black Muslim and an immigrant… 
–Gilad Atzmon

Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. The level of unmitigated stupidity and total lack of foresight on every side is simply astonishing.

Even if you don't believe in God, you'd do well to pray, because neither science nor politics is going to get anyone out of this.

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Blogger Longtime Lurker March 12, 2019 4:02 PM  

The word exodus comes to mind. And it will be shocking when it happens.

Blogger haus frau March 12, 2019 4:09 PM  

Every now and then a brave soul drops little truth grenades on Breitbart and Babylon bee fb threads. The wailing and nashing of teeth of a sight to see. Its notable however, i never saw this happen so nearly regularly in right wing threads just 5 yrs ago. Its not anglin type trolls either. Its normal people asking what, exactly, we get out of our greatest friend in the Mideast for all of our treasure and blood.

Blogger Warunicorn March 12, 2019 4:13 PM  

haus frau wrote:Every now and then a brave soul drops little truth grenades on Breitbart and Babylon bee fb threads. The wailing and nashing of teeth of a sight to see. Its notable however, i never saw this happen so nearly regularly in right wing threads just 5 yrs ago. Its not anglin type trolls either. Its normal people asking what, exactly, we get out of our greatest friend in the Mideast for all of our treasure and blood.

Indeed, the difference from 5 years ago is palpable. People are sick of it all.

Blogger Alexander March 12, 2019 4:14 PM  

The real pleasure though will come when the bell tolls for thosr among the seventy who aren't Jewish at all.

Outgroups favoring themselves is intolerable but it can be, to greater or lesser extents, forgivable. So long as they leave ans the worst offenders are offered up as a blood sacrifice.

Ingroup members favoring outgroup otoh is neither.

Blogger Desdichado March 12, 2019 4:14 PM  

haus frau wrote:Every now and then a brave soul drops little truth grenades on Breitbart and Babylon bee fb threads. The wailing and nashing of teeth of a sight to see. Its notable however, i never saw this happen so nearly regularly in right wing threads just 5 yrs ago. Its not anglin type trolls either. Its normal people asking what, exactly, we get out of our greatest friend in the Mideast for all of our treasure and blood.
Breitbart may be better than most of the alternatives, but they are not your friend. Of course, if you look at who runs it, it's not surprising, I suppose, that Israel is such a priority to them, and that they go breathlessly bizarre about "anti-Semitism" and blocking anyone who asks how, exactly, pointing out the well-known fact that AIPAC has a lot of influence because of their money which they spend liberally on politicians, is supposed to be anti-semitic.

On the other hand, they really drive home the immigration issues, almost to the point of being tiresome, so even someone who isn't your friend, but who is shooting in the right direction about at least some really important, significant issues can be tolerated to a degree.

Blogger Moritz Krämer March 12, 2019 4:22 PM  

Will this round of Jewish persecution be uglier than the last one or nah?

Blogger Damn the torpedos March 12, 2019 4:22 PM  

* T H E D A M W I L L B R E A K*
*The (((taboo))) will be lifted*
*the rebuilding will begin*

Blogger Mark Stoval March 12, 2019 4:25 PM  

"Even if you don't believe in God, you'd do well to pray, because neither science nor politics is going to get anyone out of this." ~~ Vox Day

Amen brother, amen.

The forces of evil seem overwhelming at this point, but we have the promise from the Lord than at the end we will win. We might lose all of western civilization before that though. (hope not)

Blogger Jeroth March 12, 2019 4:26 PM  

The Evangelicals are the most frustrating to me. Many of them openly prioritize Israel over America. Not even AIPAC would confess to this. It's absolute insanity. You pretty much have to accept their reverence of Jews as "God's people", or they shut off completely. "God Blesses those who bless Israel" is forever on the tip of their tongues. Any ideas on how to start persuading them rhetorically?

Blogger Ostar March 12, 2019 4:32 PM  

Does the Mossad have blackmail info on these politicians? Seriously asking. It can't just be the money...

Blogger The Contrarian March 12, 2019 4:34 PM  

@10 - one of the prereqs for being on the ballot is that they have blackmail on you...and this isn't limited to politics.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma March 12, 2019 4:38 PM  

What a disgusting old trope to insinuate that jews are not chosen to rule over all nations of the world.

That's kooky conspiracy hatred of stupid losers who blame everything on enemies instead of themselves, and commit terrorist acts of driving into communist mobs that were only peacefully blocking the streets attacking people and vehicles in the name of justice against White Privilege supremacist systems.

You don't want to be like one of those NeoFascist bigots, do you?
Because all good people know, it's your duty to ruin the lives of all racist White Christian oppressors who don't celebrate the strength of Diversity.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 12, 2019 4:38 PM  

Jeroth wrote:"God Blesses those who bless Israel" is forever on the tip of their tongues. Any ideas on how to start persuading them rhetorically?
(More dialectic than rhetorical, but here's one option.)
God chastises those He loves & God has repeatedly punished Israel-as-a-nation; is it being a blessing to Israel to come between God and their chastisement or punishment?

Blogger ar10308 March 12, 2019 4:39 PM  

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Blogger ar10308 March 12, 2019 4:41 PM  

@9 I'd suggest starting in the Book of Galatians.
To sum up, unless a Jew accepts Christ, he is no longer one of God's Chosen People. Those who accept Christ are now God's Chosen People.

Martin Luther also wrote extensively on it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 12, 2019 4:41 PM  

After reading conservative twitter I would bet a good part of the slavering Israeli worship is it is about the only thing that a white person is actually allowed to contest the moral level on these days.

It's actually sad and horrifying, the people responsible mostly non-Jews deserve to hang for bringing this about.

Blogger Cabeza de Vaca March 12, 2019 4:42 PM  

this is an interesting read: "Defining Anti-Semitism" https://www.state.gov/s/rga/resources/267538.htm

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club March 12, 2019 4:46 PM  

Jeroth wrote:You pretty much have to accept their reverence of Jews as "God's people", or they shut off completely.

They also tend to be big fans of Judeo-Christ, and if they can't see that the "Judeo" bit unequivocally rejects the "Christ" part, I'm not sure what will disabuse them of their strange notions.

Blogger Cloom March 12, 2019 4:50 PM  

@9 Yesterday Trunews had a very good lecture about Darbyism and the Scoffield bible, financed by Oxford Press and given away to American pastors for free to induce the Israel narrative. (I caught the last 10 minutes of the hour). Rick Wiles said something most shocking which could be the basis of a rhetorical counter to them. Their root heretical claim is that Jesus Christ failed. That ought to be enough to alarm Christians, if they knew that was the root of it. It goes on with: God had to stop the clock until 1948, when it started again, as if Israel is God's timepiece for the end times.

https://www.trunews.com/stream/end-time-delusion-are-u-s-evangelicals-today-s-sadducees

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Blogger Dirtnapninja March 12, 2019 5:07 PM  

Jeroth wrote:The Evangelicals are the most frustrating to me. Many of them openly prioritize Israel over America. Not even AIPAC would confess to this. It's absolute insanity. You pretty much have to accept their reverence of Jews as "God's people", or they shut off completely. "God Blesses those who bless Israel" is forever on the tip of their tongues. Any ideas on how to start persuading them rhetorically?

That is because Israel has literally bought out the big evangelical leaders. They buy private learjets and expensive cars for people like hagee and falwell.

Blogger Mr. Xloveli (home website: foetos.wordpress.com) March 12, 2019 5:08 PM  

The jews control television. Television controls the nation's mind.

It all plays out in a nightly, primetime drama wherein highly paid "stars",
fiction or nonfiction (news or entertainment) push sour lies as sweet truths,
such as ... Click Here for Remainder

Blogger LP916 March 12, 2019 5:09 PM  

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 12, 2019 5:11 PM  

Ain't no need for learnin here in America, mommy and daddy gonna make it rain on campus. Little Caitlan and her 999 SAT is going to the Ivies or USC to row boats and service the football team or something.

Blogger Lovekraft March 12, 2019 5:31 PM  

@ 12 In that vein, Brie Larson's comment at a presser is worth noting. She walks back saying white males shouldn't be reporting on her to make room for more diversity by claiming there's enough seats at the table for everyone..

This is fine in limited form, but without caveats, it is a moronic statement. As expected, but it may reflect how people avoid hard questions - they'll just create resources out of thin air.

Blogger Rhys March 12, 2019 5:43 PM  

"Israel, an American Value"

*vomits*

Blogger Azimus March 12, 2019 5:53 PM  

VD:
The level of unmitigated stupidity and total lack of foresight on every side is simply astonishing.


Its just too lucrative and morally comfortable to go along to get along. Everyone tells you how moral you are and showers you with money.

This is why I have so much respect for Owen. His pursuit of truth and his almost incredible open-ness of his thought process is inspirational. He literally counts it all as rubbish in the pursuit of the truth, and his term "the logos".

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2019 5:58 PM  

May I ask, why the contempt for evangelicals? If they have been lied to, you are blaming the victim. These are people who read the Bible every year, on their own, and struggle to understand it. Why not write pamphlets or books that go through the steps and the history and the complexity, so they can use their brains? They used pamphlets written by liars to get to the wrong position, so why not lift up the insulted and the injured?

Like, just forget the Boomers, the main evangelicals that seem to give ya'll heartburn. The Boomer evangelicals had children. And those children had children, pretty much unlike any other mainline denomination. It's a good cradle denomination. 80% leave, and it's from the bloody-minded independence that they've been taught. I mean, I was raised Southern Baptist. Most of my friends from my adult life were raised Southern Baptist. We've all gone on to other denominations, but it's from a pretty serious religious journey.

So, instead of just spewing that they don't know your premises, why not explain? There's a lot of history not being taught to people. Why not inform? Like, public schools don't monkey around with Greek and Roman history. But it's a serious religious history, which makes sense to Baptists, since we all live in the south, within a culture saturated with religion. Contempt is a sin.

Most Baptists have a KJV, so they've got an unredacted Bible. I mean, someone on twitter with an excel grid showing what verses had been excised from the NIV- all the ones condemning jews- was pretty revelatory.

Or, why not donate to whomever publishes unredacted Bibles? Or publish cute pink ones for girls? That's pretty transformational.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2019 6:02 PM  

Look, evangelicals are willing to do what they think God asks them to do, even if it harms themselves in the short run. Do you think they like sending their own sons out to die for Israel? Do you think they like being patronized by the presidents of various universities, all of whom tear down statues of the generals these people's grandparents followed into battle? Do you think they like being called stupid cattle?

They do it because they do love God, with all their heart. You would be lifting burdens off of their hearts and shoulders, freeing them from serving a cruel idol.

Blogger Lazarus March 12, 2019 6:02 PM  

Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club wrote:They also tend to be big fans of Judeo-Christ, and if they can't see that the "Judeo" bit unequivocally rejects the "Christ" part, I'm not sure what will disabuse them of their strange notions.

Social Justice and Urban Forest are also terms where the adjective does not just modify the noun, but cancels it out.

Blogger Jeroth March 12, 2019 6:18 PM  

And Amazon just banned Culture of Critique.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 12, 2019 6:22 PM  

@24

Ain't no need for learnin here in America, mommy and daddy gonna make it rain on campus. Little Caitlan and her 999 SAT is going to the Ivies...


Or little Jared

An undistinguished student, Jared got into Harvard not long after his father pledged $2.5 million to the university...(Jared’s younger brother, Joshua, followed him to Harvard five years later; he also has two sisters, Nicole and Dara.) Before Jared entered graduate school, Charles leased three floors of the Puck Building—a historic NoLita structure he’d bought in 1999—to NYU at sub-market rates.

@27
He literally counts it all as rubbish in the pursuit of the truth, and his term "the logos".

See also E. Michael Jones.

@28 @29
Good points. I think a lot of it's more frustration than contempt... though it may not come across that way.

Blogger Jeroth March 12, 2019 6:24 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella, where is the contempt for Evangelicals in this thread? It's frustration, not contempt. It's beyond frustrating because they are arguably the most valuable demographic in America.

Blogger Matrick March 12, 2019 6:30 PM  

Regarding the evangelicals: are they really a force today? I've heard a lot about them and their love for Israel over the years, but they don't seem to have much of a presence online. I'm British, so I wouldn't bump into any of them in person, but I can't recall ever actually bumping into one online either.

Blogger VD March 12, 2019 6:30 PM  

May I ask, why the contempt for evangelicals? If they have been lied to, you are blaming the victim.

Because they merit the contempt. Did not God hold Eve responsible for swallowing Satan's lies? They are actively serving evil due to their lack of discernment.

Blogger Rex Leroy King March 12, 2019 6:32 PM  

Evangelicals are the frogs which thank the scorpion and say, "please may I have some more?".

Blogger Garuna March 12, 2019 6:33 PM  

i never saw this happen so nearly regularly in right wing threads just 5 yrs ago

I'm even seeing a huge difference compared to just 1 year ago. People speaking redpill truths everywhere. Even the most unlikely of places.

Despite the best efforts of the media, it seems we've hit a tipping point.

This is why I can't get behind the blackpilled #Yang2020 stuff. These people just don't appreciate the progress we've made. In 2016, many were just getting introduced to the idea of an "SJW". Now anti-SJWism is not only popular but also reliably profitable. And you see pro-white, pro-male, Jew-savvy discussion inundating the comments sections of everything from the news to Joe Rogan to PewDiePie to movie trailers to political & non-political advertisements to celebrity fluff videos to tourist videos to "How To..." videos to even Gordon Ramsay cooking videos.

We're winning, folks.

For all the shit Owen gets from some people for his recent videos. His type of content is the future.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 12, 2019 6:35 PM  

You can have your cake and eat it too...

If a messiah other then Christ is supposed to arrive when is he coming? 2000 years later odd and still waiting? They ever wonder, if they missed the train?

Jokes aside; I would find it hard, maybe impossible to believe if I didn't think there was even the possibility of some more recent divine interventions. I suppose if you knew with absolute certainty, that would interfere with freewill, a lot would depend where your heart is. And yet I find resistance to Christianity, I rationalise it, as Christ saving the only person I have loved. Yet I do not love Christ, my closest feeling would be that of respect for a firefighter. Most people I have known, have only had disdain for Christianity, including my parents. Peers at school basically tore their copies of the New Testament up, try that with the Quran now and smartphones, I think not.

If there is to be true freewill then; "Christianity in someways being the darkest possible view of the world"(C.S Lewis Mere Christianity) must be in someway where it's at, kind of though at the outer limits here.

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A quote about the Trinity, from CS Lewis:

All sorts of people are fond of repeating the Christian statement that ‘God is love’. But they seem not to notice that the words ‘God is love’ have no real meaning unless God contains at least two Persons. Love is something that one person has for another person. If God was a single person, then before the world was made, He was not love. Of course, what these people mean when they say that God is love is often something quite different: they really mean ‘Love is God’. They really mean that our feelings of love, however and wherever they arise, and whatever results they produce, are to be treated with great respect. Perhaps they are: but that is something quite different from what Christians mean by the statement ‘God is love’. They believe that the living, dynamic activity of love has been going on in God forever and has created everything else.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2019 6:46 PM  

My mistake. Added up, it sounds condescending.

It shows up on twitter, and in forums from damnyankees. I mean, northeasterners already burned the place to the ground once. Why on earth would we trust that they have southerners best interests at heart just because?


and, I'm not really sure how congruent pastors speeches are with their congregations beliefs. I mean, the main SoBap arena for debate and discussion is the Sunday School class, not the sermon. I'm serious: who listens to what the pastor is saying- that's a half hour to an hour rolling oratory close to lunch time. Sunday school? You're hopped up on coffee and doughnuts first thing in the morning, talking to your closest group of people. When you are in the hospital, your sunday school group will visit, not the pastor.


I know other denominations want the pastor running around like a chicken with his head cut off doing home visits, but nobody expects to see the pastor. It's why there are jokes about Catholic priests and black pastors being jerks when they show up at your house: they don't show up in SoBap houses. (Poverty, running water, social embarrassment from the Great Depression)

I mean, my redpilling happened on Twitter, one little photographed page of a book at a time. The posters would get shoahed. They'd joke about it. When I asked, politely, what I didn't understand, instead of calling me a stupid redneck, they'd explain what I was seeing, or not seeing, and why or why not. Like, the doctored photographs. I didn't see how they knew they were different. And someone took the time to link to originals and articles. And they were nice about it.


Having been raised Southern Baptist fundamentalist, in a suburban public school, in Texas, I have spent my life being called stupid for not knowing or understanding the main premises of mainline churches, private school educated people, or people from the North, and non-Christians. It gets old.

It gets especially old when 1. Southern Baptists are expected to have read, repeatedly, the entire Bible, cover to cover, independently. No commentary, or interpretations. Or with footnotes- and the Scofield Bibles have hellatonsa footnotes. Only low-church kids- SoBap, Church of Christ, ones like that- read the entire thing. Everyone else goes through the cycle of readings- which redacts all sorts of chapters.


2. Public schools do teach. They just don't teach to current fashions. Texas schools license teachers who don't attend ed schools. So your math teacher will have a Masters in Math, as will your chemistry teacher. Your history teacher will likely not just know Communist history, they'll be a card- carrying member of CPUSA. Nothing watered down. Or lawyers rotate in for a few years, then rotate out. Priest wash-outs teach, too. Pro athletes will end up coaches and social studies. They aren't spineless.

The highest literacy group, and the highest book reading group in the USA is Christians, I think. Why not write books explaining this? In American vernacular. Even if you think "It's dumbed down." Like, I've tried to gut through 'the black book of communism." It's repetitive. Why not a simplified version? Why not take the time to explain this stuff?

Why not carefully printed or ebooked major books? Thrift editions online have the same awkward tiny printing as their cheap printed counterparts, with no explanations or hand-holding.

Why not print cute child bibles with orthodox commentary instead of Scofield?

Blogger Centurion Revolt March 12, 2019 6:54 PM  

Most of the big Democrat donors are Jewish.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2019 6:58 PM  

how can they know they are serving evil when they're reading modernized, redacted bibles?

Blogger John March 12, 2019 7:04 PM  

Deuteronomy 28. Again.

Blogger Rex Leroy King March 12, 2019 7:04 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:how can they know they are serving evil when they're reading modernized, redacted bibles?

It totally won't be their fault when the next version of the NIV alters Commandment Ten to say "Thou shalt lend money to thy neighbor with interest".

Blogger John March 12, 2019 7:17 PM  

@28 So […] why not explain? 

Alright then. What do you want to know?

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Blogger Peaceful Poster March 12, 2019 7:29 PM  

There is indeed great reason for optimism as more and more Americans are waking up to the JQ.

The trend has become so strong and so rapid that even the God Emperor is at risk of being left behind. Given is skill at reading the mood of the general public, perhaps he'll manage to get out front of it again before 2020.

We shall see.

Blogger Kat March 12, 2019 7:32 PM  

Ariadne - I grew up in a similar environment. No longer Baptist either.

A good place to start is with 1 John 2:23. It was a personal breakthrough verse for me. A lot of evangelicals will say they know this, but it helps to emphasize that there really is a rift between Jews and Christians. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob isn't divisible - if you don't take the Son then you don't get to claim the Father. We don't worship the same God. The Jews have rejected God in His entirety by rejecting the Son He sent.

If you know someone willing to do a deeper dive here's an excellent treatise from Gary North: https://www.garynorth.com/freebooks/docs/pdf/the_judeo_christian_tradition.pdf

You might also consider rounding up some meme-ish quotes you can drop into conservation. There's plenty of evidence that Jews don't have at all the same affection for Christians as visa versa. Its possible that dropping some introductory level material could spur deeper conversation.

Blogger Kat March 12, 2019 7:36 PM  

Peaceful Poster wrote:There is indeed great reason for optimism as more and more Americans are waking up to the JQ.

The trend has become so strong and so rapid that even the God Emperor is at risk of being left behind. Given is skill at reading the mood of the general public, perhaps he'll manage to get out front of it again before 2020.

We shall see.


Neon's theory is that Trump harping on Jews and antisemitism so much is because when people start going to jail "antisemitism!!!" will the cry from the left. Makes sense when you consider who runs the banks.

Who knows at this point.

Blogger Gettimothy March 12, 2019 7:49 PM  

@46 agreed.

The change starts on the tails of the bell curve and works inward ala Jude Wanninskis marginal change theory.

Its a wonderful thing watching academics stand their and telling John Pidhoretz to stfu.

This omar broad looks like the left tail is putting the squeeze on em too.


OccidentalObserver does yoeman's work on this battle. Give it a read.

Blogger tublecane March 12, 2019 7:59 PM  

@2- I remember when it was taken for granted that Israel was our BFF, but no one freaked out for so much as asking "Why?" People are touchier on the issue. Which could be because they subconsciously sense the weakness of their position. Or maybe not.

Blogger Cecil Henry March 12, 2019 8:03 PM  

E Michael Jones is such an important part of this dialogue.

For Christians, and for the West.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pu_sLD1K08

Blogger Michael Maier March 12, 2019 8:05 PM  

Rhys wrote:"Israel, an American Value"

*vomits*


That sounds like a criticism to me.

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 12, 2019 8:08 PM  

@48 Kat - Neon's theory is that Trump harping on Jews and antisemitism so much is because when people start going to jail "antisemitism!!!" will the cry from the left.

@49 Gettimothy - OccidentalObserver does yoeman's work on this battle. Give it a read.


I'll check them both out. Thanks.

Blogger LES March 12, 2019 8:08 PM  

Jeroth, some rhetoric I use:

Can a Christian be an atheist? Can a Jew be an atheist?

Are you looking for Christ or the anti-Christ?

Jesus rejected Zionism

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 12, 2019 8:13 PM  

Neon's theory is that Trump harping on Jews and antisemitism so much is because ...

Whole lot of wishful thinking going on.

Israel is our best ally in the Middle East.
Q: Why do we need an ally in the Middle East?
A: To protect Israel!

Blogger Jeroth March 12, 2019 8:16 PM  

Kat wrote:Neon's theory is that Trump harping on Jews and antisemitism so much is because when people start going to jail "antisemitism!!!" will the cry from the left. Makes sense when you consider who runs the banks.

If something like this were true, Trump would rank as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, political schemers in world history. I am incapable of believing such a thing is possible, but it is admittedly fun to think about.

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Blogger tz March 12, 2019 8:17 PM  

I don't know that Jesus rejected Zionism, only that it wouldn't return until he does.

Also anyone else find the scandal of pay for admission to Ivy League intersting? Disproportionate and bypassing affirmative action indeed.

Blogger Garuna March 12, 2019 8:18 PM  

I think Jews are just one of Trump's blind spots. He married his daughter off to one after all.

You can see examples of him criticizing globalism from decades ago. But in all his life, I have never seen him criticize excessive Jewish influence in anything.

Blogger stevo March 12, 2019 8:18 PM  

You have a country...

Blogger LES March 12, 2019 8:22 PM  

tz: Do you believe you will live on Earth for 1000 years in your resurrected, glorified body?

Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of Earth. Jesus said no. The Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah because he wasn't a Zionist.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 12, 2019 8:23 PM  

John wrote:Deuteronomy 28. Again.

That escalated quickly...

Blogger tuberman March 12, 2019 8:34 PM  

"E Michael Jones is such an important part of this dialogue."

I've been listening to him a lot lately.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2019 8:37 PM  

#47. Thank you, Kat.

It is......okay.....so, people who jump to final conclusions without having laid out their warranted statements- and letting people have time to digest them.....are relying, in general, on " I am good and smart and college educated and wealthy and......"

Mr Day does not do this. I've been gutting through the archives here, because I know I don't know, and for every assertion, there is an earlier essay with links. I send people here all the time. I am tremendously grateful for the work Mr Day does on this blog on any number of subjects, including his discussions on literature.

and I am going to say, the people doing this "trust me" business are not, in general, trustworthy in ways that are valuable to a Southern Baptist. Like, coastie techs with extraordinary wealth. Like, say, Naval Ravikant. Who has a brother who wrote a book about 'love yourself first' or something like that. A wealthy coastie, who when he got sick, and- mind you- he's surrounded- completely LinkedIn!- completely Facebooked public- with other wealthy, well-educated, cultured men with independent businesses, smarts, Ivy League degrees- all of it- not one of those men took the time to go to a grocery store, buy a heat and eat meal- I'm not even asking for a home-made casserole- a store-bought roast chicken and sides- $20- and not one of them did this, not one of them dropped it off, not one of them checked on him, not one of them sat with him and watched TV or talked a little or prayed (haha) or anything. His brother put a fitbit monitor, or something like that on him, belling him like a cat. But that's it.

I am pretty comfortable judging that culture as a terrible, inferior culture. I don't care how e-smart they are. I don't think that culture has much to tell me about social anything. Or spiritual. Or how to live.


So, people do have to establish their decency, not just their wealth, or education, or connectedness. I try to put useful, verifiable information that people can judge for themselves, because I'm not going to do the "Trust me." I feel bad when I can't find cites, like immigrants and diabetes bankrupting city health budgets. I know it's out there, I just can't find it.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2019 8:44 PM  

My break on the Bible was a man online who I had experienced as a good man. He was very honest about stuff that was bad in his behavior, so he knew his shadow-side. He said his favorite book was Galatians. When I asked, he explained about freedom, and freedom from Jewish fables. But- he had established his decency already. He didn't start out with "I am wearing a big, shiny cross and you have to bow down to my excellent opinion!" He was a grouchy, flawed human being who happened to mention that one day. He had established his bona fides, beforehand.

Blogger John March 12, 2019 8:45 PM  

@tz I don't know that Jesus rejected Zionism, only that it wouldn't return until he does.

Zionism is a total rejection of the clear terms of the New Covenant, presumably in favor of an esoteric reading of Revelations.

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Blogger John rockwell March 12, 2019 8:53 PM  

The chief culprit among evangelicals is the Schofield Reference Bible that tilted most of evangelicalism in the Zionist direction.

Prior to the Schofield Reference bible Evangelicals weren't so pro-zionist

Blogger John rockwell March 12, 2019 9:04 PM  

As Yuri Bezmenov said. One has to have faith to survive. Without faith society doesn't survive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

From the 1 hour mark at the conclusion of his lecture after detailing subversion.

Blogger LES March 12, 2019 9:22 PM  

"Senators voted 27-0 on Tuesday to include the Holocaust as part of the statewide social studies curriculum."
Oregon

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Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa March 12, 2019 9:32 PM  

Must every generation of that tribe metaphorically mutter to each previous generation that outwore its welcome, "hold my beer"?
Rhetorical.

Blogger Balam March 12, 2019 9:38 PM  

Jews have a real history of inciting civil war to try and usurp the power of a Nation. Soviet Union, Germany right before WW2, Rome before their temple got leveled and that's just what I have heard of. They pay the elite as a Patsy to kill their own countryman.

If they fail in the US to use antifa and the bought congressmen to pull off the coup the resulting backlash is gonna make Hitler's Germany look like little league. They keep boiling it down to wanting to kill everyone in a Soviet purge or getting purged themselves for how disgusting their acts are trying to get to that point.

I pray that they stop, for God's sake first but also because they are setting up their own gallows. It would be sad if they didn't rape so many kids and do it where I live; considering that it simply makes it enraging.

Luckily Owen's stream pointing to Yuri, vid link posted by John Rockwell, says that all we need to do is live virtuously and the enemy's house will collapse of it's own contradictions. Wrath is tempting but I don't wanna end up like the French and guillotine the baby with the bath water.

Blogger Balam March 12, 2019 9:45 PM  

Also kick them out. I feel it would be irresponsible to just post 'be virtuous' without adding that Yuri also said to kick out all the bad influence. Without the exile part you end up like an evangelical and lose territory to imported hordes while the government harasses your Ruby Ridges

Blogger S. Thermite March 12, 2019 9:50 PM  

Only been suspended on Twitter and censored on Facebook once. Two different posts about a year apart, but both questioned the political activism of a certain group...

Message received.

Blogger braq March 12, 2019 10:00 PM  

@64:
Here are a couple of secular videos I find are eye-opening on "our greatest ally", both from very straight-shooting and concise speakers providing full fact-based support for their assertions - no "conspiracy theories". Perfect for redpilling normies, evangelical or otherwise. James Corbett with "The Dancing Israelis" and Christopher Bollyn on "The War on Terror". The second one is a bit long but it covers a lot of ground regarding the source of this mysterious plague of "terrorism".

Blogger Matamoros March 12, 2019 10:16 PM  

French Rabbi Rav Touitou -

https://bbs.thegoyimknow.to/uploads/default/original/4X/a/4/6/a468a22ccd25f965b9dd61f54fe7c39a41eda387.jpeg

Blogger Matamoros March 12, 2019 10:26 PM  

OT - Economic Crisis, Talk of War Making Russia’s Demographic Situation Worse, Nikolayev Says

Paul Goble

Staunton, March 12 – The demographic numbers for Russia in January 2019 are in, Igor Nikolayev says, and they show that the country’s “demographic pit is becoming a chasm,” the result in the first instance of the economic crisis and the Kremlin’s talk of war and one that is hitting ethnic Russians harder than anyone else, Igor Nikolayev says.

In the middle of this decade, the Kremlin celebrated the first positive demographic numbers since the end of Soviet times with births up, deaths down, and migration boosting the total population. Then things went off track and now, the economist continues, all three are heading the wrong direction (echo.msk.ru/blog/nikolaev_i/2386915-echo/).

Russian officials seek to blame this as a echo of the 1990s when low birthrates meant that fewer future mothers were born, but that is a trend that was knowable in advance and should have given pause to the upbeat claims of several years ago. Now, however, Nikolayev says, it is clear that the chief culprits are the economic crisis and the talk of war.

On the one hand, with falling incomes, people are less willing to take on the additional responsibilities that having children impose and those in other countries do not see the same opportunities in Russia that they saw earlier and thus are not coming in the first place or going home or elsewhere instead or remaining.

And on the other, all the talk about Russia being “a besieged fortress” and war being a very real possibility hardly creates the kind of conditions in which potential parents are going to think about having children. Even if they want them, they seem likely to put off having babies until the situation clarifies itself.

Last year, according to Rosstat, “the size of the population of the country fell by 93,500. Such an absolute decline had not happened in Russia since 2008 when the population fell 10,300.” Not only were there fewer births and more deaths, some the result of the aging population, but immigration was insufficient to cover the decline in Russia itself.

Figures provided by the central ZAGS register for January 2019 are even worse: “the number of children born in January 2019 fell by 10.4 percent compared to January 2018.” The natural decline of the population for one month alone increased from 30,308 in January 2018 to 44,307 in January this year, Nikolayev says.

What all this means, the economist continues, is that the demographic situation in 2019 will “significantly worsen.” Another indication of that is this: “In January 2018, there were 49,500 marriages; but in January 2019, there were only 31,185, a decline of 36.4 percent. “ Of course, children are born out of wedlock as well, “but all the same …”

The government talks about the aid it is giving to parents, but this is insufficient, Nikolayev argues. Unless the economic situation improves and unless the government stops talking about war and about Russia being at risk of being destroyed, Russians are not going to have more children. They are going to have ever fewer – and the population will fall.

Within these figures are ones that will disturb many ethnic Russians even more: The regions of the country with the highest death rates in 2018 are those who are primarily populated by ethnic Russians (rg.ru/2019/03/12/reg-skfo/v-kakih-regionah-samaia-nizkaia-smertnost-v-rossii.html).

That means that as the overall population of the country declines, the share of ethnic Russians in it will decline by even more, making the Kremlin’s claims on that point unsustainable as well, as some Russian nationalist commentators are already pointing out (zen.yandex.ru/media/burckina_new/o-vymiranii-istoricheskoi-rossii-5c85f0730f8f1500b33866b8).

Blogger Matamoros March 12, 2019 10:26 PM  

And some analysts are even suggesting that the real figures are far worse than those Rosstat has put out (apn-spb.ru/opinions/article29836.htm). If that is true, then the real demographic picture of Russia under Vladimir Putin is far worse than even the most convinced pessimists have ever suggested.

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2019/03/economic-crisis-talk-of-war-making.html

Blogger Fozzy Bear March 12, 2019 10:35 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:how can they know they are serving evil when they're reading modernized, redacted bibles?

Rex Leroy King wrote:It totally won't be their fault when the next version of the NIV alters Commandment Ten to say "Thou shalt lend money to thy neighbor with interest".


Have you seen the Lord’s Prayer in The Message (MSG) translation? The Matthew version literally includes the satanic prayer. Both the Matthew and Luke versions contain prayers to gnostic mystery and tikkun olam!

Blogger mid March 12, 2019 10:48 PM  

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Blogger VFM #7634 March 12, 2019 11:01 PM  

@Matamoros

Meh, it's a bit alarmist, if you look at TFRs. Births in Chechnya fell from 37,753 in 2010 to 29,227 in 2018, so the idea that the decline is confined to Russians is inaccurate.

Blogger Innamorato March 12, 2019 11:10 PM  

Lest you forget Trump’s greatest ally:

https://youtu.be/64STz447GPs

Blogger DraveckysHumerus March 12, 2019 11:17 PM  

@81

Lin Dinh is that you John Wayne?! Số một chết tiệt chết tiệt. Một thời gian tốt bạn cho $10.

Blogger Crew March 12, 2019 11:18 PM  

Looks like there is a war coming with China, whether we want it or not ...

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/tracking-chinas-naval-power/

Blogger DraveckysHumerus March 12, 2019 11:40 PM  

@85

So you are saying my #23 beef and broccoli with oyster sauce will be delayed. No tip for you.

Blogger Greg March 12, 2019 11:43 PM  

Can y'all help me with this? I have been looking into the JQ hard. It seems there really is a lot of curious stuff going on that people are waking up to. I have also been looking into the end times. It says all the nations of the world will unite against Israel and God will defeat them at the final battle. Yet from what I am seeing those nations will be justified to unite against Israel. They will be the good guys of the story. God will defend the subvertors of Christian nations and defeat those trying to end the promoters of evil? What am i missing?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 12, 2019 11:58 PM  

Greg wrote:What am i missing?

The descendants of Abraham who are God's chosen today are the ones who have accepted the messiah. That'snot the state in the Middle East of which you are thinking.

Blogger Crush Limbraw March 13, 2019 12:00 AM  

Greg - don't get all hung up on end times theology - as I was once.
Best book on the subject I have read is Paradise Restored by David Chilton.
If you really want to spend some time researching, you can start at my website - it's only the beginning into more than you can even now imagine.
This old goat has learned more in the last 10-15 years than in my previous decades - read-read-read!
And stay close to Vox Day!

Blogger S. Thermite March 13, 2019 12:07 AM  

God will defend the subvertors of Christian nations and defeat those trying to end the promoters of evil? What am i missing?

The prophecies are about a future attack on the residents of Israel, not on those who insist on living elsewhere and undermining the host countries in which they reside as guests. The Geneva convention protects uniformed soldiers of other nations, not traitors and spies.

I used to wonder how there could ever be a mass exodus from the U.S. to Israel, but now I only wonder when. It stands to reason that that some who don’t make it will be guilty and others will be “innocent”. Only God knows how many of each, not to mention that people can change when sufficiently motivated.

Blogger Jo K March 13, 2019 12:08 AM  

@87 Greg "I have also been looking into the end times. It says all the nations of the world will unite against Israel and God will defeat them at the final battle."

Quick dumb question: where does it say this in the bible? Can anyone reference me the exact passage?

Thanks.

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Blogger liberranter March 13, 2019 2:02 AM  

They ALL want America dead. It's that simple.

Blogger John rockwell March 13, 2019 3:26 AM  

@S. Thermite

''God will defend the subvertors of Christian nations and defeat those trying to end the promoters of evil? What am i missing?''

Israel in the far future will be far different than the Talmudic Jews of today.

God will ensure that will happen. Else that prophecy and its promise of what will happen will fail.

Blogger John rockwell March 13, 2019 3:34 AM  



''Thus declares the LORD, who stretches out the heavens and lays the foundation of the earth, who forms the spirit of man within him:

2“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples. Judah will be besieged, as well as Jerusalem.

3On that day, when all the nations of the earth gather against her, I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who would heave it away will be severely injured.

4On that day,” declares the LORD, “I will strike every horse with panic, and every rider with madness. I will keep a watchful eye on the house of Judah, but I will strike all the horses of the nations with blindness.

5Then the leaders of Judah will say in their hearts: ‘The people of Jerusalem are my strength, for the LORD of Hosts is their God.’

6On that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among the sheaves; they will consume all the peoples around them on the right and on the left, while the residents of Jerusalem remain secure in Jerusalem.

7The LORD will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and of the residents of Jerusalem may not be greater than that of Judah. 8On that day the LORD will defend the residents of Jerusalem, so that the weakest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them.

9So on that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. ''

https://biblehub.com/bsb/zechariah/12.htm

There is also this:
https://biblehub.com/bsb/ezekiel/38.htm

Blogger Clay March 13, 2019 3:43 AM  

I apologize for the OT...but, a few posts back we were discussing the United States Navy.

I read this today:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/03/12/navy-wants-5k-more-sailors-and-billions-new-ships-will-retire-carrier-early.html

I don't think so.

Blogger SciVo March 13, 2019 5:50 AM  

Did you know that Chavéz suspended diplomatic relations with Israel in 2009, over the Gaza War, and Maduro hasn't restored them? And that the number of Jews in Venezuela declined by 3/4? (Only ~20k to ~5k, but still.) Reversing all that is one of Guaidó's top promises; he and Israel are big mutual fans, apparently.d

Not my circus, not my monkeys; and I'm very anti-socialist. But I swear, sometimes it seems like Jews have some kind of weird fetish for meddling in other nations' internal affairs.

Blogger CynicalMan March 13, 2019 7:44 AM  

Anyone who believes the little Black Muslim woman has your best interests at heart is a fool?

Blogger CynicalMan March 13, 2019 7:46 AM  

I should clarify that, Any Christian.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 13, 2019 7:47 AM  

Jo K wrote:@87 Greg "I have also been looking into the end times. It says all the nations of the world will unite against Israel and God will defeat them at the final battle."

Quick dumb question: where does it say this in the bible? Can anyone reference me the exact passage?


Someone already mentioned Zecharia and Ezekiel 38. There is also Revelation 20.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 13, 2019 7:49 AM  

CynicalMan wrote:Anyone who believes the little Black Muslim woman has your best interests at heart is a fool?

True, but even enemies can be useful, when they fight each other.

Blogger VD March 13, 2019 7:56 AM  

Anyone who believes the little Black Muslim woman has your best interests at heart is a fool

No one believes that. But for once, let's go ahead and enjoy the spectacle of "let's you and him fight".

Blogger Jo K March 13, 2019 8:03 AM  

@100 Ominous Cowherd

Thank you.

I've now read those, and while I can't claim to fully comprehend what's being said, I didn't notice anything about how America should pay for Israel's defense. Call me silly, but it sounded like the Lord would have all that protection stuff under control without American tax dollars.

What am I missing?

Blogger Avalanche March 13, 2019 8:30 AM  

@18 "They also tend to be big fans of Judeo-Christ,"

I wonder if a book of the overwhelming testimony, written by jews and spoken by jews, of their true feelings and beliefs about Jesus and Christianity wouldn't make a dent in the evangelicals?? Maybe showing, e.g., the Talmudic discussion of whether Jesus in hell is boiling in a vat of fecal matter or a vat of male 'sexual expression' (there's controversy about the substance, not about the hell and boiling)?

Watch Owen's brilliant clip asking the jews to MAKE CLEAR if they think his beautiful family is animals. He's inviting them to help him quit 'riding them' so hard, by clearing that up. (23-min. clip -- but oh MAN! Is he brave and exactly right! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxsUByXv_mU )

A bell, once rung, can't be unheard. SUch a book would be kinda like memes? Except it's right out of their books and media? (To jump metaphors: plant some small seeds of concepts and see if they can grow?)

It's dialectic cause it's trying to convince with factual information? But it's ... emotionally moving ... just on the face of it!


I'm still struggling with Vox's separation of jews into israeli and diaspora... It (partly?) makes SENSE, but it's hard to set down years and years of fury and seething hatred (I mean mine, not theirs); because a LOT of what has gone wrong for my people had been at the intentional hands of jews -- of both sorts. Trying to separate them out to, if not actually support, then at least not viciously hate israeli jews as against the .... maybe? ... way more damaging enemy that is diaspora jews? I'm trying to work the other direction of my 'book' suggestion: untangle my hatred by planting seeds in myself of reality as Vox sees it. (He's a difficult task master, is Vox, even when he's merely telling the truth as he sees it.)

Blogger Avalanche March 13, 2019 8:37 AM  

@9 "Evangelicals ... openly prioritize Israel over America."

Maybe clip-and-post the Darkstream part of Vox whacking some commenter about: 'you CANNOT support Israel 100% AND be America First!' 100% is 100%, basic math! I believe many evangelicals are ALSO (mindlessly?) attached to Amurica-my-homeland! Ask them to define their percentage of support for each?

I once got an idiot American woman all confused and unable to answer, because she is married to an israeli (but living here in the States). I asked her to ask him where his FIRST loyalty lay? If a choice came up that was good for one country but less-than-good for the other (and there have been hundreds!): would HE support the USA over israel or not? Would SHE?!?! That was the ring of a huge bell for her... and she could never unhear it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 13, 2019 8:42 AM  

Jo K wrote:What am I missing?

I'm missing it too. I have never found clear mention of the New World in scripture. Consider, though, that nations are races, not places.

Blogger Avalanche March 13, 2019 8:44 AM  

@28 "someone on twitter with an excel grid showing what verses had been excised from the NIV- all the ones condemning jews- was pretty revelatory."

Link please, sounds fascinating -- and useful!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 13, 2019 8:53 AM  

Avalanche wrote:sorts. Trying to separate them out to, if not actually support, then at least not viciously hate israeli jews as against the .... maybe? ... way more damaging enemy that is diaspora jews?

I think Israel is an inspiring example of a nation/state that looks after its own. They recognize their traditional religion, they recognize their own scattered race, they keep out people who don't fit into both. They have borders and a wall.

Their religion is false, and their scattered people have harmed us greatly over the centuries they have been among us, but there in Israel, we can see them doing some stuff right. In a perfect world, every nation would have a state. In a perfect world, every national would be in his own nation-state, or be a well-behaved guest elsewhere.

Let's pray it with them: next year in Jerusalem, little jew-buddies!

Blogger VD March 13, 2019 9:02 AM  

I'm still struggling with Vox's separation of jews into israeli and diaspora.

Go read the early Zionists. They understood that if the Jewish nation was ever going to become an actual nation-state, it would require fundamental change of the Jewish people's behavior and attitudes.

it's hard to set down years and years of fury and seething hatred

Facts don't care about your feelings. Your emotions don't determine reality.

Blogger Avalanche March 13, 2019 9:10 AM  

@39 " Southern Baptists are expected to have read, repeatedly, the entire Bible, cover to cover, independently. No commentary, or interpretations."

G'morning Ariadne, please take a look at this sermon -- this guy really helped me untangle a bit of "what does that mean"? It's only a page or two long, but helped the (my?) logical mind disentangle some contradictions that get in my way. And, as a technical editor, I find the word-handling work to be helpful.

Just as Vox says he's not a theologian but brings his logical mind to work through understanding stuff; this essay provides a few paths that seem missing for my "working out your salvation in fear and trembling."

http://www.snowtao.com/family/daddy.htm#belief

Blogger Avalanche March 13, 2019 9:10 AM  

(p.s., raised Northern Baptist, myself.)

Blogger Miguel March 13, 2019 9:15 AM  

Yeah, what AR10308 said. Without the True Faith you are not member of God's chosen nation.

Blogger Vlad Z. March 13, 2019 10:06 AM  

That theory requires a lot of Jews to be arrested before the next election. If there are no highly visible mass arrests then all we are left with is GE is increasingly out of step with his voters on the JQ.

He can mitigate that by not getting us into a new war in the ME, but if he follows John Bolton's advice we will be involved with Iran by then.

The only person who says mass arrests are likely is Q. I guess we'll know soon. 2020 is way too late for them, Trump has about a 6 month window to act.

If we are sitting here in year talking about the 100,000 sealed indictments it will be clear that Q either failed or was a fraud. Except, like other charismatic failed prophets, some true believers will build a literal cult around him. Neon my well be a priest in that cult. (I'm thinking of the example of the Millerites and the founding of the Seventh Day Adventists here, but there are many other examples)

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 13, 2019 10:18 AM  

... some true believers will build a literal cult around him. Neon my well be a priest in that cult.

Neon has already shown troubling signs of heresy. Death to the infidel!

Blogger xevious2030 March 13, 2019 11:04 AM  

@87 Just because someone is attacking someone who is bad does not make the attacker good. Take Jesus and the “house divided.” A daemon can kick another daemon out and replace the daemon, or they can mutually reside. What Jesus did was kick the daemon, any daemon, out. See the difference? It isn’t modern Israel is bad, so it is good, Christians, attacking. Bigger picture, it’s bad attacking bad in order to attack the promise of God. Israel can be the biggest collection of scumbags, but eventually they will be forced to abandon the father of lies, and forced to be made right with God in their relationship, and this forcing and changing will be done by God.

@103 There is a passage about blessing those that bless Israel. Usually cited by either the wicked, or by people that don’t actually understand the relationship between Christians, God, and Hebrews. Christians don’t get gifts that way, and Hebrews, Godwise, are not our problem. Trying to help them or make them our problem treats the situation as if God can not handle it, and acts as if we are to be preoccupied with something that is not our business. Right now, their father is the father of lies, and eventually that will not be the case. Prodigal son, in a sense. Just don’t get involved with their crap, and keep them out of yours, until they really come back in that way. You’ll have a pretty good idea when that is, because they’ll be Christian, they will quit rejecting God, more specifically, God the Son. At that point, hugs and kisses, open arms, welcome home. But not today.

Blogger Stilicho March 13, 2019 11:12 AM  

Just compare the outcry from the media/political swamp when similar statements come from the NRA and elected officials about the second amendment and gun owners. And those are Americans talking about Americans' rights. But the PAC-that-must-not-be-named cannot be criticized for these explicitly anti-American positions.

Blogger Avalanche March 13, 2019 12:09 PM  

@64 "not one of them did this, not one of them dropped it off, not one of them checked on him, not one of them sat with him and watched TV or talked a little or prayed (haha) or anything. His brother put a fitbit monitor, or something like that on him, belling him like a cat. But that's it."

Ariadne, I'm not sure you can go by this. When my husband died back in 2011, I called my mom, while the ambulance was at the house (I knew he was quite dead; they were not going to be able to do anything), and told her Michael had died. She called my sisters, and my younger sister, who was driving her son to Colo. called me from the car and said just as soon as she dropped him off, she'd fly out to be with me.

I said, no, please don't. I need to be alone. I need to be able to walk out of a room in the middle of a thought without thinking about anyone else... I KNOW you wouldn't mind or expect anything from me -- but I would still feel a responsibility to do it... and I need to NOT do anything for anyone right now....

To 'keep my dear neighbors at bay' -- because of course they wanted to come by and bring me food and hold my hand and so on, I started sending out a "morning missive' -- an email of where my head was out and how I was doing... (They said, later, that if I had not done that, they'd've been over peering in the windows to make sure I was doing okay. And they would have!)

So it's entirely possible that this fellow WANTED to be alone and his friends and family were abiding by his wishes.

Blogger John Williams March 13, 2019 12:55 PM  

Yes. Rumor during the height of #PizzaGate was the Mossad had video from The Lolita Express & Epstein’s island.

Blogger Avalanche March 13, 2019 12:57 PM  

@95 "I will strike every horse with panic, and every rider with madness."

Okay, so here's the (logical?) problem:

EITHER metaphor is acceptable and used in the Bible/Word of God and thus every single word, phrase, sentence, paragraph, chapter, and book thereafter must have HUGELY meaningful (and yet-to-be-determined) context and definition! (Oh, and then throw in translators' mistakes and choices.)

OR God somehow believes all the nations gathered together will attack Judah and Jerusalem on horseback.


IF metaphor is acceptable; then there must be huge research and discussion (and NOT talmudic!) of the meanings possibly intended; the peoples and nations presented (and their descendants or not); the boundaries drawn around Judah/Jerusalem; and, of course, who/what/of what extraction and lineage ARE these "Chosen of God."


I'm reminded of a book, the name of which I forget, by a more recent translator of "Mein Kampf" about his translation and why his is better than any previous. The one thing that stuck in my mind was a brief discussion of a phrase that all the other translators struggled to find an English explanation for: something like "Sheep in the Field" -- which phrase had been (wrongly) associated with a negative description of this or that group or people or some such. (Prior translators had been unable to find a good translation.) This newer translator points out that "Sheep in a Field" was the name of a then-popular in Germany CARD GAME!! The previous translations and grasping explanations did not work, because they did not make that connection / know that cultural history.

Another book, a partial basis of which I believe Vox has (in a passing by-blow) deprecated, is "Insights for the Age of Aquarius" by Gina Cerminara. Vox's apparent objection was to the underlying concepts of "General Semantics" -- an area (of linguistics?) I found extremely interesting. The example I often use for urging caution in the un-examined acceptance of a translator's work is (approximately) this:

When the Gideons were translating the Bible into every language on the planet; they struggled with the translation into Inuit. Calling Jesus "the lamb of God" was useless for a people who'd never seen sheep. So, in the best translator's art, they translated it into Inuit as "the pup-seal of God."

Just this past year, and here AT Vox's blog, I got an eye opener from that translation: the "image" "lamb of God" creates is of a weak, cute, fuzzy, pleading-eyed baby animal. That image, as the intended metaphor for Jesus, IS WRONG! A lamb was the best possible sacrificial animal. When Isaac (was it?) prepared to but did not sacrifice his son to God and was miraculously provided WITH A LAMB? That was because a lamb was the correct animal.

Jesus was NOT supposed to be hapless and harmless, cute and useless; he was SUPPOSED to be the BEST SACRIFICE TO GOD! And that suddenly changes the entire apparent underpinning to today's SJW Jesus! NOT weak and mild-mannered; This was the guy who drove people out of the temple with whip! Some lamb! (One objection I have always had with Christianity is the loss of the Church Militant: where-oh-where did the Christian Soldier GO?!)

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 13, 2019 1:56 PM  

A)So is the God of Islam and the Jews effectively the same God, and indivisible? Like what Nietzsche talks about in the Antichrist, shortly before he went completely crazy.

B) Is there any prophecy of a messiah in the Old Testament?

C) How does the Narrative shift in the Bible? Seems like a pretty dramatic change, the lie of a Judeo-Christian God seemingly being widely accepted. Perhaps the same as the lie of the Trinity?

Blogger Raker_T March 13, 2019 3:04 PM  

Eating a late lunch, reading comments down as far as I could, but not all. Hope this isn't redundant: just opened the big map sent out by VOM, and they listed Israel as a nation hostile to Christianity. Ha-ha, what honesty. Did not expect that.

Blogger SirHamster March 13, 2019 3:09 PM  

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:B) Is there any prophecy of a messiah in the Old Testament?

Moses: "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him." (Deut 18:15)

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:C) How does the Narrative shift in the Bible? Seems like a pretty dramatic change, the lie of a Judeo-Christian God seemingly being widely accepted. Perhaps the same as the lie of the Trinity?

Not sure what you're asking here.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 13, 2019 3:19 PM  

B) Is there any prophecy of a messiah in the Old Testament?

Is there anything else in the Old Testament? Start with Isaiah.

Blogger Sillon Bono March 13, 2019 3:19 PM  

Jeroth wrote:The Evangelicals are the most frustrating to me. Many of them openly prioritize Israel over America. Not even AIPAC would confess to this. It's absolute insanity. You pretty much have to accept their reverence of Jews as "God's people", or they shut off completely. "God Blesses those who bless Israel" is forever on the tip of their tongues. Any ideas on how to start persuading them rhetorically?

Invite them to send their children to die for Israel.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 13, 2019 3:25 PM  

@122 SirHamster

Well at what point does the "Lord thy God" become "God the Father". Was reading in "Deuteronomy 28" where it talked about you will lend to him(other/gentiles). Then it changes to something out of The Raiders of the Lost Ark with a series of curses and becoming a borrower, and all manners of nasty stuff.

I remember Vox saying "they are not the same God". "Ask a Rabbi he'll tell you."

You ever play Civ4 at all? I remember the username.

Blogger xevious2030 March 13, 2019 3:36 PM  

@120 You ask answers wrapped in question. “Indivisable,” “lie of the Trinity,” “the same God,” “is there any.” Might tuck it back in, your soul is showing.

Blogger John Williams March 13, 2019 3:40 PM  

We have better trade relations with the Saudi’s than Israel.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 13, 2019 4:05 PM  

#128, that's why I'm puzzled as to why Texas has some odd law about not boycotting Israel. Texas A&M engineers built the Saudi oil industry. The Saudis send their children to A&M. The other oil sheikdoms send their children to Texas to get educated. We've got a Middle Eastern Studies department, but, AFAIK, no Jewish studies department. We've got Persians, we've got every kind of north African. We've got Pakis and Indians and Indonesians.

UTA has Jewish fraternities. They are mostly noticeable for being farther away from campus than the Anglo fraternities and, two, being total whoremongering dickwads to everyone else. Like, throwing glass bottles at the kids on bicycles on the road beneath their house. Total jerks. Nobody likes them.


#117, I don't think it was that. Everyone sounded surprised; "Oh, you were sick. Huh. Hadn't heard from you." No one was checking in with their friends or acquaintances. It's kind of a private measure. Like, there's all these guys from South America who are now swearing they are the best Americans, because books, influence, powerful people cross-tweet with them. Then they'll get nostalgic, and write some tweet stream about their life as a young, radical student trying to seize power in some small country. Not once do I read about kindness or civility towards someone beneath them on their little social hierarchy.


Here, in America, even the activist lefties will do kind things for people 'beneath' them, randomly, in public or not in public. It builds a society worth living in. These third worlders don't get that part of a good society is that it's good at nearly every level, not just at the top. It's not a client/corrupt state. It's kind of even all around, when it works correctly.

Since evangelicals are the type to burn the bed when things go wrong in a relationship, I'd think whomever clarifies the view of jews towards white Christian southerners would be the person setting off a major war. But, really, I don't know how you do this: because every main denomination is state- supported in Europe, and every main denomination has put its hand to making life difficult unto death for Baptists. The Lutheran churches in America have to have services of repentance and reconciliation every few years with local Baptists, on the anniversary of some massacre or another. Anglicans have their bad actions. Catholics killed Protestants that became Baptists, and it's still in the family names. Congregationalists burned down the south, entirely. Orthodox do things, currently, to non- Orthodox missionaries. So, it's not exactly a warm, fuzzy, trustworthy relationship all around. America was supposed to be the safe space for Protestantism in all its forms. It's getting diluted, but not by actions of evangelicals.


Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 13, 2019 4:24 PM  

xevious2030 wrote:@120 You ask answers wrapped in question. “Indivisable,” “lie of the Trinity,” “the same God,” “is there any.” Might tuck it back in, your soul is showing.

Is it true though? Perhaps my reasoning is flawed.

If the Trinity is true, that would seem closer to a unitary indivisible God, which would be closer to Buddhism, and Blaspheme in Judaism and Islam. And contradictorily a sin of Idolatry, in Christianity. The Trinity is not just doctrine, but metaphysical. But if the bulk are wrong how are they saved through just being in the right place, if they do not believe and doubt?

If a Unitary God does exist, what does that mean exactly? Are we talking the devil or some gnostic God? Havoc?

Basically if I can, I want to burn off as much faith as possible, perhaps all of it, so I can be as certain as the Earth is sphere shaped. Whether the Moon Landings or 911 were staged I don't care.
People being more versed here than I. If they have authority, I will take that into account. Curious what a minority intellectual elite have written, able to spot the flaws in reasoning. Might as well take the truth, in it's rawest form possible, in cruelty or kindness. Maybe there is a reputable online Theologian somewhere who is inquiring into theological issues, and not dogmatic. I do not like to think society is just one big con game, with self regulating Ego ala Carl Jung. A person's name highly influencing a person, and they're just acting out their namesake.

If you presume to know my soul, fire away.

Blogger xevious2030 March 13, 2019 5:00 PM  

@129 My phrase was rhetorical. And spirit would have been more to the point than soul, but I heard the other as a phrase once, and it stuck as an item. You’re presenting assertions as if they are questions, which is dishonest. A and B are written as if you have not read or learned anything of the subjects. C says otherwise. Your attempt at logic in 129 says otherwise as well. I don’t generally have much of an interest in getting into a long discussion with dishonesty, though sometimes going through the steps of the process helps others to recognize it. Most of the time, I walk by the trap, sniff a little, pee on it so others know it is there, and then move on. Unless I'm just feeling mean, which I am not.

Blogger Greg March 13, 2019 5:04 PM  

120 A)So is the God of Islam and the Jews effectively the same God, and indivisible? Like what Nietzsche talks about in the Antichrist, shortly before he went completely crazy.

The bible states many times that there are many gods but that we are to have nothing to do with them. The Jewish and Christian God are the same. The Muslim god is not. There were 600 or so Arab gods. Allah was one of those.

The bible also says we are to have nothing to do with pagan shit. That is why I no longer celebrate any "Christian" holidays as they are all repackaged pagan holidays.

Blogger SirHamster March 13, 2019 5:17 PM  

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:Well at what point does the "Lord thy God" become "God the Father". Was reading in "Deuteronomy 28" where it talked about you will lend to him(other/gentiles). Then it changes to something out of The Raiders of the Lost Ark with a series of curses and becoming a borrower, and all manners of nasty stuff.

God doesn't change. Jesus addresses God as a heavenly Father and teaches his disciples to do the same. They were taught to relate to God in a new way - from being subjects of a Lord God to being children of a Father God.


I remember Vox saying "they are not the same God". "Ask a Rabbi he'll tell you."

There's a missing connecting thought here. Is there an argument you're trying to make?


You ever play Civ4 at all? I remember the username.

No.

Blogger S. Thermite March 13, 2019 6:00 PM  

@1st Earle Hardwicke:
”Basically if I can, I want to burn off as much faith as possible, perhaps all of it, so I can be as certain as the Earth is sphere shaped.”

How about you start by burning-off whatever drugs are impeding you from writing coherent sentences? You sound like an ESL student who drank a pint of Sudafed.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 13, 2019 7:27 PM  

@130

Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

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@131 Greg

Ok, so how is Allah, different from the Judeo-Christian God? that I've heard Vox refer to as a lie.

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@132

God doesn't change. Jesus addresses God as a heavenly Father and teaches his disciples to do the same. They were taught to relate to God in a new way - from being subjects of a Lord God to being children of a Father God.

Ok fair enough; but why is God the Father interested in rewarding his followers with favourable borrowing terms in Deuteronomy, then penalising them if they renege on the deal? Wouldn't that be a pretty vengeful God if not Satan himself. It's not consistent.

There's a missing connecting thought here. Is there an argument you're trying to make?

I'm curious, so I can see the forest through the trees. If the majority of professed Christians have been deceived, what does that say of Christianity? It doesn't dissuade me, it kind of has the opposite effect. Kind of like puzzle solving. Calling the Trinity a lie probably pisses off +80%, odd of professed Christians. I suppose looking for better information, Leibniz had a really neat explanation of the Trinity, short and to the point, but ultimately lies and closer to Buddhism. I'm curious if there are more up to date digestible explanations of Panentheism or Theism, maybe there's someone alive that can punch harder than Issac Newton or Christopher Langan. I just want to go about it as lazily as possible, let blog members do the footwork. Find who's more correct and copy.

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@133 Go burn your wick off, Thermite man.

Blogger SirHamster March 13, 2019 9:03 PM  

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:Ok fair enough; but why is God the Father interested in rewarding his followers with favourable borrowing terms in Deuteronomy, then penalising them if they renege on the deal? Wouldn't that be a pretty vengeful God if not Satan himself. It's not consistent.

The assumptions here don't make sense. What favorable borrowing terms? What penalizing? What reneged deal? Not consistent with what?

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:I'm curious, so I can see the forest through the trees. If the majority of professed Christians have been deceived, what does that say of Christianity? It doesn't dissuade me, it kind of has the opposite effect. Kind of like puzzle solving. Calling the Trinity a lie probably pisses off +80%, odd of professed Christians.

Deceived how? Trinity is a popularly accepted doctrine that may not match up correctly to God's nature - but we know our knowledge is partial and through a mirror darkly.

MPAI. People misunderstanding God is not surprising at all. It happens all the time throughout the Bible, even with the disciples who were close to Jesus.

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:I just want to go about it as lazily as possible, let blog members do the footwork. Find who's more correct and copy.

You're not a baby, and this isn't a place for idea babyfood.

Trying to copy someone else's ideas without doing the foundation work is how you end up in a cargo cult.

The ideas aren't important. You want the mind that can digest the ideas and taste what is good.

Blogger Clay March 14, 2019 1:38 AM  

Once you can tell me WHO wrote the Bible, I might start paying attention to it.

If I was going to write a book, It would be the Clayble.

Blogger xevious2030 March 14, 2019 11:08 AM  

@129 Freebe. In the past I had a crisis of faith, looked in the Bible for Old Testament proof of Jesus as being God, per your B, over a number of years. Looked, narrowed things down to one word, in the oldest physical document (oldest hand reproduction) with a passage that had a paticular word in it, and the stroke was inconclusive, an in between length. Longer, one word that made sense, shorter, another word that made sense. You can go find the word. Everything else had alternate contexts or was misaplication. So, on physical text, closest to original, you have a guess. But the answer, yes Trinity, not Unitary. God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit, all one, each a method of experience and interaction. And all outside your comprehension.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 14, 2019 11:11 AM  

The Jewish and Christian God are the same.

False. The God of the Christians begat a son, equal to Himself, whom we call Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ. The gods of the Jews and Mohammedans did not.

Different gods.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 14, 2019 4:42 PM  

@ SirHamster

Hey, whatever has the most concentrated source of calories. Like in the movie Robocop!

but we know our knowledge is partial and through a mirror darkly. The thought had occurred to me.

If the nature of reality is both transcendent and immanent, it has some interesting implications. Newton had gone with immanence, but recognised the error of his ways, in a letter from Leibniz, about the nature of the universe being relative and not absolute. Assumptions of Newton being a Deist (The Clockwork Universe)is wishful thinking. I figure if people have true freewill, the darkest possible potential outcome must be a possibility.

Duet 28:44 He shall lend thee, and thou shalt not lend him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

I shall leave the Trinity be in future here. Probably go antagonise some Christians on a forum, see if any are panentheists and how they got to the conclusion.

Clay wrote:Once you can tell me WHO wrote the Bible, I might start paying attention to it.

If I was going to write a book, It would be the Clayble.


I think as a testament it has more credibility than the supposed dictated words of God, in the Quran. I don't think I would believe it either, if I didn't have at least some weak personal evidence of Jesus Christ existing. Still a few avenues to close down, Leibniz is off the list for me, Christopher Langans CTMU as Panentheism might be interesting. I figure I might as well try to understand, kind of the ultimate conspiracy. With the Internet, any book and nearly any opinion or view is at your disposal. Why has it not been reasoned out or investigated in a methodical way on a wider scale? Eventually get to the point of diminishing returns.

Blogger Greg March 14, 2019 8:18 PM  

@138

The Jewish and Christian God are the same.


False. The God of the Christians begat a son, equal to Himself, whom we call Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ. The gods of the Jews and Mohammedans did not.

Different gods.


Just because the jews don't believe in the son doesn't mean they don't believe in the father. Same God. God sent the messiah. The Jews didn't recognize him. It was the same God though.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 14, 2019 11:58 PM  

Greg, do you really imagine that for 2,000+ years Jews, who reject Jesus, have worshipped the God who sent Jesus? Jesus, the messiah who said: "No one comes to the Father except through me," and described them as the synagog of satan?

Their ancient,faithful Hebrew ancestors worshipped that God. The modern Jews surely do not. The modern Jewish religion has no connection to the God of the Patriarchs.

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