Friday, March 15, 2019

Dual-citizen, dual loyalties

Although, in some cases, dual loyalty would be a marked improvement:
In 1915, ex-President Theodore Roosevelt, at a convention of the Catholic Knights of Columbus, bellowed: “There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism … German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans, or Italian-Americans. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is a man who is an American and nothing else.”

The New York Times headline the next morning:

“Roosevelt Bars the Hyphenated.”

It continued: “No Room in This Country for Dual Nationality, He Tells Knights of Columbus. Treason to Vote as Such.”

What would Roosevelt think of the dual citizenship of many Americans today? If someone is a citizen of more than one country, how do we know where his primary allegiance lies?

Does not dual citizenship, de facto, imply dual loyalty?

Nor was the Rough Rider alone in his alarm. As America edged toward intervention in the European war, President Woodrow Wilson, too, tore into “the hyphenates”:

“The passions and intrigues of certain active groups and combinations of men amongst us who were born under foreign flags injected the poison of disloyalty into our most critical affairs. …

“I am the candidate of a party, but I am above all things else, an American citizen. I neither seek the favor nor fear the displeasure of that small alien element amongst us which puts loyalty to any foreign power before loyalty to the United States.”

In another address, Wilson declared:

“There is disloyalty active in the United States, and it must be absolutely crushed. It proceeds from … a very small minority, but a very active and subtle minority. It works underground but it shows its ugly head where we can see it, and there are those at this moment who are trying to levy a species of political blackmail, saying: ‘Do what we wish in the interest of foreign sentiment or we will wreak our vengeance at the polls.'”

What did Ilhan Omar say to compare with that?
Jesus Christ said, "A man cannot serve two masters." How is it, then, that an American citizen can hold foreign citizenship?

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Blogger Zander Stander March 15, 2019 4:16 PM  

He left out one hyphenated group. Were they untouchable even then?

Blogger Will Sav March 15, 2019 4:22 PM  

I can’t believe I haven’t heard these quotes before. Amazing post!

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 4:23 PM  

TR had a sort of melting pot in mind. Because his Americanism was about a New Nation perpetually being made. One which sought to tear out foreign roots and combine "diverse race stocks" into a collective of individuals. ("Each man is to be treated on his worth as a man.") American individuals and nothing but American individuals.

Which I believe to be impossible, but it's sooo much better than whatever it is we believe in now. If one were to go about creating a unique American nation founded upon nothing but the culture of people calling themselves American (and nothing but) on this continent, you wouldn't want split loyalties.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 4:26 PM  

@1- I notice the hyphenates he did pick hewed closely to the Roosevelt family tree. (Dutch, Scottish, Irish, English, German, Welsh, French.)

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei March 15, 2019 4:28 PM  

@1 - Back then, they were just Jews. Heck, even now, they're just Jews. How often do the likes of Little Chickenhawk and others of his ilk use "Jewish-American"? It's "American" when they're selling us out, and "Jew" when they're hiding from the response behind "Muh anitsemitizum!".

Blogger Boorn Boorm March 15, 2019 4:33 PM  

Still have to call out FDR for starting the Democrat's immigrant strategy, that also co-opted northern jews and southern democrats who hated them.

Blogger Boorn Boorm March 15, 2019 4:35 PM  

The US is where the EU went to die. You have the posterity, of english, scottish, welsh, protestant northern irish. All the posterity now is largely mixed with irish, italian, german, dutch etc., that most non hispanic whites are european mutts.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 15, 2019 4:38 PM  

Zander Stander wrote:He left out one hyphenated group. Were they untouchable even then?

Because Jews didn't become a major influence on the political climate until after they were fleeing Stalin's assassins.

Blogger Dangeresque March 15, 2019 4:47 PM  

One wonders why African-American was also omitted...

Blogger Chad Thundercockovich March 15, 2019 4:48 PM  

Looks like it's time to pick a nation.

Blogger Miguel March 15, 2019 4:48 PM  

Its about the Benjamins.

Blogger tz March 15, 2019 4:58 PM  

I know the question was rhetorahical, but I'll answer:
Judaeo-christ is their spiritual master, and the non-US citizenship is their temporal master.

Blogger Jed Mask March 15, 2019 5:00 PM  

"Jesus Christ said, A man cannot serve two masters.' How is it, then, that an American citizen can hold foreign citizenship?"

LOL... What about YOU then, Mr. Vox?

Come back over to America, *American*?

~ Bro. Jed

Blogger S1AL March 15, 2019 5:03 PM  

"He left out one hyphenated group. Were they untouchable even then?"

Israel didn't exist at that point in time...

Blogger SammyBoy March 15, 2019 5:12 PM  

"One wonders why African-American was also omitted..."

I would be surprised to learn that African-American was a term that anybody used at the time.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd March 15, 2019 5:40 PM  

Genetic fallacy. Also Vox has not claimed to have a dog in the fight, he simply observes as a culturally American citizen of Italy. He ALSO notes that he IS and ALWAYS will be straniari in Italy... Though his grandkids will probably be Italians

Blogger DraveckysHumerus March 15, 2019 5:45 PM  

Were they untouchable even then?

In old Istambul the homes of armenians, assyrians and greeks would spontaneously combust from time to time with their homes standing looted. But the jewish quarter was never "touched" unless they fell complacent.

In relatively recent America, the Frank family and their fellow alien tribe members believed that Leo Frank was untouchable. Except one fine day our equivalents of the armenians, assyrians and greeks reached out as a united community and "touched" dear Leo. They even gifted him with a free neck tie.

Somewhere there's a lesson there.

Blogger Bill Gable March 15, 2019 5:47 PM  

Dual citizenship is like polygamy. You can only serve one.

Blogger Red Bane March 15, 2019 5:50 PM  

It is technically illegal to hold dual citizenship in the US. The authorities simply do not enforce the laws

Blogger Randy March 15, 2019 5:56 PM  

We really ought to replace the poem on the Statue of Liberty with Roosevelt's speech.

Blogger Garuna March 15, 2019 5:56 PM  

"You have to go back" is a great litmus test to find out who the Fake Americans are.

Blogger Joe Smith March 15, 2019 6:35 PM  

Does holding dual citizenship actually imply dual loyalty? I'm not so sure it does. I think someone with dual citizenship still only actually has one loyalty--whichever one they would chose in the lurch. The dual citizens in congress use their American citizenship to deflect and conceal the fact that, when the rubber meets the road, they're not actually loyal to America at all.

Blogger Robert What? March 15, 2019 6:47 PM  

There are many (((members))) of Congress who hold dual lotalties without holding dual citizenship. And I can guess where the first (((loyalty))) lies with many of them.

Blogger Gastguma March 15, 2019 6:54 PM  

The conflict among the Democrats is a conflict between the pro-Israelis (Jews) and pro-Palestinians (Muslims). Neither are pro-American. Both support massive foreign invasion of the United States. Jews are vastly over-represented in influential positions, Muslims are a quarter of the world's population, yet they're fighting over who is higher up on the victim hierarchy. The one thing they both agree on is that the U.S. must be invaded, its heritage destroyed, and white people made a minority in their own countries. Yet they debate "dual-loyalty."

Blogger tc March 15, 2019 6:54 PM  

Would be of interest to find out, if there are any congress/senate critters holding lassports issued by other states than israel.

Russia mabbe? What?

Blogger tc March 15, 2019 6:57 PM  


Blogger Chris Mallory March 15, 2019 7:12 PM  

Dangeresque wrote:One wonders why African-American was also omitted...

The term was used in a couple sermons one in 1835 and one in 1791. But it did not come into common usage until the 1980's.

Blogger Johnny March 15, 2019 7:13 PM  

Joe Smith wrote:Does holding dual citizenship actually imply dual loyalty?

Baby steps, baby steps. You got to start somewhere, and if you can't even admit you are against dual citizenships, that is the end of it. No going further.

Blogger tc March 15, 2019 7:15 PM  

untill recently, there was an other term for them in fashion...😮

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey March 15, 2019 7:17 PM  

Joe Smith wrote:Does holding dual citizenship actually imply dual loyalty? I'm not so sure it does.

What is wrong with you???

Blogger Joe Smith March 15, 2019 7:17 PM  

@28 Where did I say I wasn't against dual citizenship?

Blogger Joe Smith March 15, 2019 7:22 PM  

@30 Maybe a lot? My only point is that this whole dual citizenship thing just obfuscates the fact that these people aren't actually loyal to America at all. There's no dual loyalty in that. They're only actually singularly loyal, i.e., to their own identity groups.

Blogger Patrick Kelly March 15, 2019 7:25 PM  

“There is disloyalty active in the United States, and it must be absolutely crushed."

Wilson was a horrible progressive POTUS who took the US into an unnecessary war and planted many of seeds for WWII and the evil springing from it. The disloyalty he spoke of was from those who opposed his war mongering in Europe.

Blogger pyrrhus March 15, 2019 7:35 PM  

@33 True...The Wilson administration also whipped up violence against ethnic Germans and prosecuted anyone who publicly opposed the War (which 75% of Americans opposed.)

Blogger OneWingedShark March 15, 2019 7:37 PM  

VD wrote:How is it, then, that an American citizen can hold foreign citizenship?
Lawyers, Afroyim v. Rusk; which came about due to then-current citizenship laws stating that voting in foreign elections striped one of US citizenship being applied to one Beys Afroyim after he voted in an Israeli election.

It's very much like how the AIPAC exception came to be in our anti-corruption laws.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 7:48 PM  

@Dangeresque- Were there many immigrants from Africa at the time? Most all of them would have decended from slaves, and though they may not have been loyal Americans they didn't owe allegiance elsewhere.

TR invited Booker T. to dinner, so we know he did a little outreach there. I don't know what he called them.

Blogger van helsing March 15, 2019 8:07 PM  

the usual suspects may have dual citizenship. they do NOT have dual loyalties. for them dual loyalty would be a step up. paraphrasing joe sobran.

Blogger Crew March 15, 2019 8:28 PM  

Does holding dual citizenship actually imply dual loyalty?

At the very least it means they have the option of jumping ship if the going gets rough.

Moreover, Israel does not allow members of the Knesset to have dual citizenship.

Doesn't that tell you all you need to know?

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 8:46 PM  

@22- You may define loyalty as ultimate loyalty, the sort of loyalty that matters when one must make Sophie's Choice. Then "there can only be one." But it's very easy for a person to split their loyalties in most circumstances.

Dual citizenship does imply dual loyalty in the sense of strongly suggesting. It doesn't necessarily imply it in the sense of an inescapable logical consequence. Heck, plenty of single-citizenship holders are disloyal to their own country. A dual citizen could be disloyal to one country and loyal to the other.

Blogger JovianStorm March 15, 2019 9:02 PM  

I'm not going to lie : I'm half - Japanese, half-hillbilly honky and I'm much more loyal to Japan, where I now live permanently, than to whatever used to be the USA.

When the country you loved changes itself into a brain - eating zombie... Is it worth saving or is it too far gone? Am I a traitor? Maybe so, but I do not believe that following Caligula's unjust decrees is the litmus test of loyalty. I'll go where I can live without oppression and give up whatever I need to so I can live that way.

Does that make me a Lambda or a Phi?

Blogger tz March 15, 2019 9:12 PM  

Not infrequently, a freudian typo of "dueling citizenships". One can only hope the non-USA contestant is fatally shot. (See: Hamilton as to why this would be such a good thing)

But consider that the entire Muller Probe was over dual loyalty. If any had dual RUSSIAN citizenship?

Add Iranian, Turkish, etc.

I've pointed out elsewhere the deep irony of Judge Jeannine Pirro calling out Ilian Omar for dual loyalty to Sharia because Omar called out dual loyalty to Israel

Nice that I live in a state where there are ZERO synagogues, and the few "mosques" don't seem to be really active.

Blogger John March 15, 2019 10:05 PM  

@40 I'll go where I can live without oppression and give up whatever I need to so I can live that way. 

That's fine, but North America belongs to those of us who stay and fight.

Blogger Joe Smith March 15, 2019 10:13 PM  

@39 Or even disloyal to both. I agree with what you've said.

Blogger Mike Rock March 15, 2019 10:33 PM  

@41 tz,Where is that wonderful place??

Blogger ANRE92 March 15, 2019 10:51 PM  

Speaking of loyalty concerns, here's some bad news for the Yang Gang...

Andrew Yang: White people will be shooting up Asian churches within a generation.

Blogger Mark Stoval March 16, 2019 7:34 AM  

Black economist Walter Williams asks some good questions in an older essay.

"In the debate about illegal immigration, there are questions that are not explicitly asked but can be answered with a straight "yes" or "no": Does everyone in the world have a right to live in the U.S.? Do Americans have a right to decide who and under what conditions a person may enter our country? Should we permit foreigners landing at our airports to ignore U.S. border control laws just as some ignore our laws at our southern border? The reason those questions are not asked is that one would be deemed an idiot for saying that everyone in the world has a right to live in our country, that Americans don't have a right to decide who lives in our country and that foreigners landing at our airports have a right to just ignore U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents."

He mentions the difference in today's legal immigrants verses those of the distant past and then the propaganda of the educational system:

"There is another difference between today and yesteryear. Today, Americans are taught multiculturalism throughout their primary, secondary and college education. They are taught that one culture is no better or worse than another."

Well worth a few minutes to read this short essay. And yes, he is not perfect on the whole issue, but it is still worth a read.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz March 16, 2019 11:17 AM  

Dangeresque wrote:One wonders why African-American was also omitted...

When I was a boy in the 70s, African-American was fighting words. Most sensible blacks rightly though such a term called their being an American into question. The whole term was popularized by black nationalists who hated white America.
Muhammad Ali was one of these people. While he is spoke of and thought of as a national hero today, back when he was fighting he was a very divisive figure. Many, many blacks rooted on Frasier because of their intense dislike of his anti-American attitude and rhetoric.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 17, 2019 10:35 AM  

@9, @47, respectable black folks referred to themselves as Negros. That's what respectable White folks called them, too. The races were White, and Negro. There were still old timers around who remembered Teddy saying that Americans don't have hyphens.

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