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Saturday, March 16, 2019

Never let a false flag go to waste

New Zealand's prime minister wastes no time in attempting to disarm the New Zealand populace:
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is calling for change following the country's deadliest mass shooting ever.

On Friday morning, at least one shooter opened fire at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, leaving at least 49 dead and dozens more injured. Ardern qualified the shootings as a "terrorist attack" in a morning news conference, saying this will remain "one of New Zealand's darkest days."

Ardern revealed more details about the shooter in a news conference later in the day, saying the "primary perpetrator" used five guns in their attacks. They had a gun license to carry the "two semiautomatic weapons and two shotguns," and they got that license in November 2017, Ardern continued. So given that fact — and that there had been three failed "attempts" to change gun laws in the past — Ahern pledged "our gun laws will change."
The same tactic worked in Australia and England, after all. Not so well in the United States, where the descendants of the American Revolution know better than to permit themselves to be disarmed by their government.

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Blogger Damaris Tighe March 16, 2019 7:54 AM  

There is no false flag. This is a Crusader come down from the internet.

Blogger Matrim's Mutterings March 16, 2019 7:57 AM  

It was always going to happen. Despite NZ being one of the safest countries in the world. Literally the day before the attack I said to a friend NZ has laxer gun laws than Aus, but very low violence. Then this happens. Bloody hell.

Blogger Skyler the Weird March 16, 2019 8:00 AM  

The Muz won't follow their Dhimmi laws when planning the next Christchurch shooting. I'm wondering what plots may have been averted by the attack on these two Mosques. After all, New Zealand has none of the fake Nation of Islam Muslims American politicians are so afraid to criticize.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 16, 2019 8:02 AM  

Of course. Reading a zerohedge hype story the other day about Sweden it seems that AK variants along with hand grenades are making it across the border for mayhem and mischief. I know Jordan Peterson is a drooling moron but his feminine is chaos blurb is about right and from the looks of the NZ fearless leader I give it a couple of years before Chinese Type 56s find a home there.

Blogger DinduGoy(discordcantkillthisaccount) March 16, 2019 8:03 AM  

Yeah, this doesn't fit the pattern of false flags. This reads more like the saxon waking. If you read his manifesto, he acknowledged this would happen and that NZ gun owners would roll over because they are baby boomers.

Blogger The Cooler March 16, 2019 8:03 AM  

It'll be interesting to see how this plays-out with the everyday Joe Kiwi.

Blogger Jamie-R March 16, 2019 8:12 AM  

New Zealand is not the U.S., they seemed to have had much looser gun laws than us, so it's weird. I recall someone saying that NZ, the smaller one that won't let nuke subs dock still has better gun laws than us, as if I cared, well its been exploited now.

The concept of false flag becomes more intriguing once the 17 minutes comes into it (17 is Trump's number on sports jerseys and the letter Q), and Forbes in the mainstream floated how to possibly remove 8chan where Q posts, even though no one called for Facebook to be removed where he broadcast it. But Cloudflare won't remove 8chan, CEO may have had high level Feds/Pentagon brass chat to him, because no one can tell who owns it thanks to Cloudflare's protection. Suspicion is a defence company in San Diego, which makes sense. If the CIA truly has rogue elements still active regardless of new director, thanks to the classify & burn paper trail past of Brennan, then this may have been an attempt to move public opinion against the Chans to target Q. Pretty weak though. I guess they need to try something.

Blogger Jamie-R March 16, 2019 8:14 AM  

I mean on the 17 minutes, I wondered why we got the boring drive, why he kept going back into a mosque and shooting same people, then a bit of the drive off, then it dawned, his directive was 17 minutes, he had to hit that target, then he could stop broadcasting.

Blogger Jamie-R March 16, 2019 8:28 AM  

As I wrote to a fellow 'theorist' here, I was 50/50 going back & forth on firing back in anger after all these Western Islamist attacks, or.... an inter-agency warfare, top brass Pentagon vs former Dem-hired top brass CIA, Globalists vs Nationalists, inside the USA & its allies are being used to fight this agency war too. Australia's involved. This guy may be ASIO spook, was hired to travel world, bitcoin investor ahhhh...no, which means we're complicit in this hit to help CIA take down internal enemies inside Pentagon.

Blogger The Cooler March 16, 2019 8:29 AM  

Staring Matt Damon.

Blogger Borsabil March 16, 2019 8:41 AM  

Three other people were arrested but have now been let go. The story is they were innocent passers by who the cops thought were involved but weren't. Were these his handlers? A tell will be if they don't give interviews to the media but disappear never to be mentioned again, a la Vegas.

@8 I assumed facebook cut off his stream at that point?

A social media purge is already underway. Anyone on the right of Lindsay Graham can expect to be kicked of the internet in the coming months. Then they'll start going full press with economic punishment. I can only assume that they want a civil war at this point.

Blogger Karhu March 16, 2019 8:42 AM  

@7 "New Zealand is not the U.S., they seemed to have had much looser gun laws than us"

In most of the US you can buy a AR-15 without any paperwork if you get it from a private citizen, and one form plus a "instant check" with the Feds from a gun store. By the end of this year you can carry concealed without a license in 16 states, and currently with a shall issue license a total of over 40 states, even some of the more rural parts of California, Massachusetts and New York are nearly shall issue. Nothing I've heard says NZ is looser, and I want to find out the regulations on semiauto rifles, I read decades ago that they were banned or severely regulated.

Blogger Harambe March 16, 2019 8:49 AM  

Damaris Tighe wrote:There is no false flag. This is a Crusader come down from the internet.

Oh shut up. No one thinks you're awesome and edgy.

Blogger Avalanche March 16, 2019 9:05 AM  

"qualified the shootings as a "terrorist attack","

Funny (or not?) how they NEVER "qualify" the effing moslem attacks with trucks, cars, machetes, guns, axes.... They NEVER start movements or write legislation to ban MOSLEMS who are the 'weapons' being (((used against us)))!

Blogger Avalanche March 16, 2019 9:09 AM  

"New Zealand is not the U.S., they seemed to have had much looser gun laws than us"

Friend moved down there to retire a couple years ago; NOT ALLOWED to bring in his guns.

Blogger James Dixon March 16, 2019 9:09 AM  

And one more confirmation of the argument that you shouldn't elect women to public office. Yeah, there are exceptions, but they're few and far between.

Blogger VD March 16, 2019 9:13 AM  

There is no false flag.

It obviously is. The guy isn't even a Christian.

Blogger justthinkin March 16, 2019 9:30 AM  

I know nothing about nihilism, but Thomas Wictor has an interesting take. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOikrDPgTyM

Blogger Azimus March 16, 2019 9:57 AM  

It never ceases to amaze me how few people see that the amendment that levels the common man with kings is the amendment that our would-be kings attack the most.

Its usually pretty effective rhetoric to point out the difference and say something like "when you give up the guns protecting you, lets talk. Otherwise explain to me why I am less worthy of protection than you." I've never met a reasonable person who disagrees - just the "eww guns" crowd who would justify killing people who wanted to protect their rights...

Blogger Dave Dave March 16, 2019 10:00 AM  

New Zealand doesn't have a gun culture like America. Their guns will be gone within a few months.

Blogger wahr01 March 16, 2019 10:02 AM  

Time to go call her an "Islamophobe" because one of the mosques reportedly had armed people and suffered far fewer casualties as a result.

She wants dead muslims.
Any kiwis should be deploying Alinsky rule 4 against her.

Blogger InformationMerchant March 16, 2019 10:10 AM  

Some irony, there were reports that one armed Muslim chased off one of the mosque attacks.

This was obvious though. NZ is cucked as the shooter said. Stefan and Lauren Southern couldn't even talk there. In the week before the attack, the talk of the globalists trying to retreat to NZ was brought up everywhere.

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Can someone read between the lines of Vox's comment about the shooter not being a Christian for me please? Or was it assumed the Reconquista 2.0 would be Christian only, even in Sweden, UK, Australia, etc?

Blogger Gettimothy March 16, 2019 10:16 AM  

Anonymous Conservative posts some convincing bullet points that it was a Cabal op.

Same old playbook.



Blogger FUBARwest March 16, 2019 10:19 AM  

"Can someone read between the lines of Vox's comment about the shooter not being a Christian for me please?"

His manifesto says he is not a Christian. Or more accurately, he answers with he's not sure and he'll let you know when he figures out out.

Blogger elad sputnik March 16, 2019 10:25 AM  

So many newfriends saying it's totally legit, it must be.

Blogger sammibandit March 16, 2019 10:28 AM  

This is the clearest answer I could find. Looks like it's a no.

Did the Christchurch mosque shooter claim to be a Christian?

>Answering whether Brenton Tarrant is a Christian is, in his words, “complicated. When I know, I will tell you.”The complication may be a semantic distinction derived from Breivik’s notion that it is possible to be a cultural Christian without believing in God. Breivik wrote that his followers “don’t need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian atheist.”

Blogger Azimus March 16, 2019 10:34 AM  

"Christian Atheist" - our world is awash in dangerous nonsense taken far too seriously.

Blogger sammibandit March 16, 2019 10:43 AM  

I don't know much about heaven but I'm sure Breivik isn't meeting the faithful at the pearly gates.

Blogger InformationMerchant March 16, 2019 10:49 AM  

Thank you to those that tried to dumb down Vox's comment for me, but my confusion stemmed from the response to a claim that it wasn't a false flag, Vox replied "it obviously is. The guy isn't even a Christian."

I'm either missing context or failing to read between the lines because I don't see how that follows.

Blogger Felix Bellator March 16, 2019 10:59 AM  

@28 - "I don't know much about heaven"

But your ignorance does not stop you from spouting your opinion anyway. What do you know about the path to salvation?

Blogger Warunicorn March 16, 2019 11:31 AM  

"Our gun laws will change."

This sounded better in the original German...

Seriously, talk about ones lack of self-awareness. Note to the denizens of NZ: Give in to this and you'll get what you deserve good and hard.

Blogger sammibandit March 16, 2019 11:38 AM  

@InformationMerchant

Thanks for clarifying. In his manifesto BT talks about affecting USA law from NZ. Another reason in his manifesto is something Vox noted which is that it appears to be an assemblage of parts by different authors.

@Felix Bellator

I'm sorry I don't understand the nature of the question. Could you please clarify?

Blogger Crew March 16, 2019 11:41 AM  

Steve Sailer suggests what New Zealand's attempt to become the mass shooting capital of the world are all about:

https://balkaninsight.com/2019/03/15/new-zealand-mosque-gunman-inspired-by-balkan-nationalists/

Blogger Crew March 16, 2019 11:43 AM  

Even if the shooter was motivated to shoot Muslims because of Kosovo, it could easily have been a false flag.

They just needed to find the right individual ...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 16, 2019 11:44 AM  

New Zealand's prime minister wastes no time in attempting to disarm the New Zealand populace

@14
Funny (or not?) how they NEVER "qualify" the effing moslem attacks with trucks, cars, machetes, guns, axes.... They NEVER start movements or write legislation to ban MOSLEMS

As one poster on 8chan /pol/ put it:

>Exploding rape trucks slam into Europeans over and over and it's business as usual.

>One little mosque gets shot up and normalfags lose their minds.


@22
Can someone read between the lines of Vox's comment about the shooter not being a Christian for me please?

From the manifesto:
Were/ are you a Christian?
That is complicated.
When I know, I will tell you.


That, combined with some of the other rhetoric, sounds like a "Christianity is good for Western countries at the societal level, but I'm not personally a believer" stance.

@29
Probably because he makes multiple references to Christianity as an essential component of Western identity, yet doesn't believe in it himself.

Blogger McJibblits March 16, 2019 11:56 AM  

A lot of what he says is smart, and everyone is the hero of his own story. He is just a pussy, scared of what will happen if the far right comes to power. And we will, and he should be.

Blogger van helsing March 16, 2019 12:05 PM  

tarrant is also a mason (as was breivik...), been to vauxhall, pakistan and other places, played mostly tunes associated by his media frenz with WN... also looks like a young john brennan...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 16, 2019 12:07 PM  

@33
Steve Sailer suggests what New Zealand's attempt to become the mass shooting capital of the world are all about

Sailer may be reading too much into that one. Probably less specifically relevant than it might at first appear. The "Remove Kebab" (Serbia Strong) meme was pretty big for a while a few years back... along with the associated realization that the ZOG attack on the Serbs on behalf of the Albanian Muslims wasn't really about muh "democracy" or muh "human rights," after all. Sailer seems to be underestimating the importance of the attack on Serbia in meme culture relative to the legacy media narrative.

Plus the Balkans were repeatedly a pathway for Ottoman invasions of Europe, so it fits his historical narrative. His weapons also had references to the siege of Vienna, Tours, Charles Martel, Rotherham, a Swedish girl killed by Muslim invaders, etc.

Blogger pyrrhus March 16, 2019 12:09 PM  

@28 <I don't know much about heaven but I'm sure Breivik isn't meeting the faithful at the pearly gates.

How about Charles Martel? Do you think he made it?

Blogger Crew March 16, 2019 12:25 PM  

I think it was designed to increase Muslim attacks in Western countries and lead to calls for MOAR WAR against Islamic terrorism.

If only they had let those people stay in their own countries!

Blogger JBurgess March 16, 2019 12:44 PM  

This seems like a great way to do exactly what ther manifesto said, and get everyone at each other's throats. Textbook hiding in plain sight by the elite. They want to make sure their shift landing place is defanged before they leave.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 16, 2019 12:55 PM  

What did those Muslims in Christchurch know about Hillary?

Blogger SirHamster March 16, 2019 1:04 PM  

InformationMerchant wrote:I'm either missing context or failing to read between the lines because I don't see how that follows.

Look at the full comment Vox responded to.

Damaris Tighe wrote:There is no false flag. This is a Crusader come down from the internet.

"Crusader" links the shooter to historic Christian anti-Muslim reaction.

"He isn't even a Christian" refutes that link and proves the claim of false flag.


FUBARwest wrote:His manifesto says he is not a Christian. Or more accurately, he answers with he's not sure and he'll let you know when he figures out out.

Petersonian. Wormtongue wizardry pretending to be a part of the group.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 16, 2019 1:08 PM  

Well it all fits together.
New Zealand is a destination for the elites and deep staters when it all comes crashing down.
But while the deep staters have worked diligently to inject Islam into all kinds of places, like even the heartland of the USA, they do not want it in the Shire.
So why not have not only some incident that drive them out of NZ, but also disarms the locals too. Win win for the elites. They get their island nation of vassals.
I recall an article from a couple of weeks back where some school wanted to trannify the kids with some program. Who fought back? Muslims fought back.
Who is the only person to be calling out the dual citizenship issue and power of AIPAC in the USA? A Muslim. That's who.

Oh these people are not just trouble for concert goers and people trying to enjoy an open air Christmas market. When you rule a kingdom with an iron fist, you don't want your knuckledusters attending the cotillion, do you?

On the way, it's looking like the Second Amendment, while woefully unable to protect itself, and "lawyered" to death by people whose religion condones interpretation 500 ways on everything - 1 percent of the population, 40 percent of the SCOTUS - was still a damned good idea.

But how could I support 2A and agree with Vox on the arguments against this concept of "Free Speech"?

Simple.

One, if we approached 2A with same fervor as the left uses 1A, we would be able to point a loaded weapon at everybody and claim 2A gives us the right to do that. Heck if we had 2A at the level that Hollywood wields the protection of 1A, would would have the proverbial "Neighbors with ICBMs" as often brought up in arguments.

And the way the world is getting now, all "free speech" means at this point is you can scream and complain all you like on your way to the gulag. Guns keep you out of the gulag or make the prospect extremely expensive for those who would consider putting you in one. So yes I can say that porn should be banned from the internet, "Piss Christ" artists should be thrown in jail, and teachers should be required by law not to talk politics, but leave my rifle alone.
"But.. but... that would be double standards!!!!!"
Yeah and we see how the left does not give a flying rats ass about their own double standards when we point it out, so now it's war.

Blogger God Emperor Memes March 16, 2019 1:16 PM  

Seeing Jacinda Horseface wearing a rag on her head while she kissed the Muslims' asses was particularly disgusting. But, hey, vote for Leftist women and get dhimmitude.

Blogger Achilles March 16, 2019 1:24 PM  

Do you have any evidence it was a false flag or do you just wish it to be so? Thought we were focused on reality not wishcasting.

Blogger bossHawg March 16, 2019 1:37 PM  

The shooter not only predicted this in his manifesto (which is no real feat) but actually wanted stricter gun control to be rammed down people's throats because he believed such actions would hasten a societal backlash. The weak woman running NZ is literally "giving the terrorists exactly what they want".

Blogger Jeroth March 16, 2019 1:51 PM  

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Blogger Jeroth March 16, 2019 1:53 PM  

Achilles wrote:Do you have any evidence it was a false flag or do you just wish it to be so? Thought we were focused on reality not wishcasting.

VD says he can detect multiple authors in the manifesto.

Biggest red flag for me is that the shooter never talked about (((them))). For an online internet racist, this is very irregular, to say the least. He also had money and spent a lot of time globe hopping, spending time in Pakistan, Turkey, and even North Korea. And his calmness during the shooting suggests more than just range training (at least to me, but I'm no expert on this).

Bottom line is, something ain't right.

Blogger bossHawg March 16, 2019 2:05 PM  

@49
If the internet is to be believed, there's a lotta sketchy stuff about him. The text below is copy/pasted from eleswhere:

>shooter was a personal trainer for 2 years after school. Leaves 2011 to "travel overseas"....
>7 year gap who knows where he is.....
>Posts from the facebook of a Hotel in Islamabad with a picture
>Says how amazing and wonderful this muslim country is and the people
>Hotel owned by Shia muslims connected to Nizari people...
> a little over 6 months later appears in christchurch a small NZ town of a little over 300k people
> a small town that has had multiple White kiwis become jihadis, travel to yemen and get killed by US drones
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-04/preacher-denies-australian-killed-in-yemen-was-radicalised-in-nz/5500604
>the same small town another kiwi teen was radicalized into a Jihadi and planned a mass killing before being arrested
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/101480988/kiwi-teenager-radicalised-online-planned-mass-killing-in-christchurch-for-allah
>the same small town that a large mossad operation had been operating in for who knows how many years
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/8649223/Mossad-spy-ring-unearthed-because-of-Christchurch-earthquake.html
>then this guy goes into mosque and shoots up a bunch of Sunni
>the SAME DAY the high ranking pakistani intelligence operative working in Islamabad in the region the shooter visited last year is SUICIDED
https://www.news18.com/news/world/former-pakistan-intel-operative-found-dead-under-mysterious-circumstances-in-islamabad-2067671.html

Blogger Jay in DC March 16, 2019 2:34 PM  

I mentioned false flag on the original thread for this yesterday and was castigated by the spergs here, because... spergs.

The Land of the Ruler is FULL of Secret Kaaaangz. You all are the worst. Overanalytical and full spectrum, the lot of you.

The post above mine does 'some' (not all) of the intellectual heavy lifting for you bantam weights. It shouldn't even have to occur at all but gammas gonna gamma, innit?

Blogger InformationMerchant March 16, 2019 2:36 PM  

@43 Derp. Thanks SirHamster. Completely missed the second sentence.

Blogger xevious2030 March 16, 2019 3:04 PM  

The reconquista, will largely be,Christian. But not all elenents, especially the front fringe, will likely be not. The now defunct (corrupt/perv/infiltrated leadership) National Alliance, was white nationalist, and considered Christianity a Jewish spin-off of a Jewish God false religion. Their mantra and the shooters mantra (from the manifesto) were very similar, very. So, if things move in a hot direction, expect a lot of false flags, but also understand a number of not false flags at the fore probably won't be Christian. The fore, by nature, would be composed of the most volitile, the least domesticated.

Blogger bossHawg March 16, 2019 3:08 PM  

I want to supplement what I said in @50. The dude has some sketchy background, but some people are convinced that the shooter is very amateur, whatever his true motive/purpose is. Copy/pasted from elsewhere on the interwebs:

Soldiers, Marines, cops, SWAT, Mossad, SOF, CAG, IDF, frog men, SEALs, 1st Recon, and so on, and so on, are trained to avoid something called "the fatal funnel". This is simply a term to denote standing in a doorway when entering a room with the intent of clearing it with bullets, and it's a bad idea for several reasons. A) it halts the ability for comrades to move forward, getting you all shot, b) it impedes your personal field of vision, c) it keeps you in one location altogether so that you can't get a full layout of the room, d) it makes you a stationary target, and point b, c, and d are the most relevant in this instance, because he had to keep fully looking left and right, impeding his field of vision, and getting him charged, nearly fucking up his kill streak. Had he been trained, he would have moved to the back wall, turned around, and methodically walked left and right, with a full field of vision helping hit his targets better.

This isn't advanced training either, it's basic shit, and every force is trained in it, globally. It's one of the most fundamental, and simple bits of training there is, and this guy completely lacked it.

Blogger DJT March 16, 2019 3:21 PM  


>Exploding rape trucks slam into Europeans over and over and it's business as usual.
>One little mosque gets shot up and normalfags lose their minds.


When it's a Muslim attack, the watchword is "we won't let this change us", or in other words, "we won't let this be used to justify deporting Muslims"

Blogger DJT March 16, 2019 3:34 PM  

Not being a military trained operator does not mean he wasn't a patsy of some kind.

Blogger DJT March 16, 2019 3:43 PM  

New Zealand media is scrubbing old articles that mentioned the targeted Al Noor mosque's radical past. This article (archived link) is now 404'd:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140727140346/www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10310496/A-Kiwi-lads-death-by-drone

Blogger SirHamster March 16, 2019 3:44 PM  

Achilles wrote:Do you have any evidence it was a false flag or do you just wish it to be so? Thought we were focused on reality not wishcasting.

Where's the evidence anyone here wishes for this to be so, shill?

That's false flag evidence right there - that you, paid or unpaid, show up to point fingers and shame people for questioning the narrative.

Blogger eclecticme March 16, 2019 3:46 PM  

Meanwhile ....
https://www.breitbart.com/africa/2019/03/16/nigerian-muslim-militants-kill-120-christians-three-weeks/
Nigerian Muslim Militants Kill 120 Christians in Three Weeks

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 16, 2019 3:48 PM  

@49

Biggest red flag for me is that the shooter never talked about (((them))). For an online internet racist, this is very irregular, to say the least.

Especially when the Tribe's role in ending the White Australia policy and promoting the non-white invasion is so clear.

The War on White Australia: A Case Study in the Culture of Critique

And it's not just his failure to mention them -- except for a very brief comment -- in the manifesto. It's also that the memes, music, and general shitposting/ trolling point to /pol/ culture... but a lot of the other aspects -- references to Tours, Vienna, Charles Martel, etc. -- and the near-exclusive focus on Islam as the problem are much more typical of Geller/ Gatestone-tier (((counterjihad))). Why would a legit /pol/ack push a j-right narrative?

He also had money and spent a lot of time globe hopping, spending time in Pakistan, Turkey, and even North Korea.

Hey, he made enough money by age 21 from speculating in cryptocurrency that he was able to finance a 7 year world tour. What's so hard to believe about that? Kinda like supporting yourself on winnings from playing slot machines [Vegas]...

Blogger nswhorse March 16, 2019 3:52 PM  

Ardern also donned a head scarf and submitted to some Muslims in a brave show of her mighty virtue.

Blogger Jeroth March 16, 2019 4:00 PM  

So, apparently the Parkland kids went to Christchurch last year in order to "heal". What in the hell is even happening.

Parkland students mourn for friends made in Christchurch.

Nearly 30 students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School traveled there last summer to cope with their trauma.

“It’s kind of like the same feelings as when our school shooting happened."

Blogger weka March 16, 2019 4:21 PM  

We have farmers and hunters. The socailists are urban. They do t understand outdoor recreation. Think again.

Blogger weka March 16, 2019 4:28 PM  

We didn't.
47% national (read cuckservative/ linertarian)
37% Labour
8% NZ First (false nationalist socailists)
7% greens - - thank you overseas voters

Three parties aligned against one: the coalition of losers. Roll on the 2020 election.

Blogger PG March 16, 2019 4:46 PM  

After sleeping on this for a couple of days, I think the goal is to divide the New Zealand and Australian people.

Blogger PG March 16, 2019 4:50 PM  

Re: Disarming NZ. Unlikely, because too many guns (1 in 4 approx), already in civilian hands, civilians who know how to use them for hunting, hunting in rugged conditions.

Blogger God Emperor Memes March 16, 2019 5:20 PM  

Good point - I'd forgotten about the MMP system. Thanks.

Blogger God Emperor Memes March 16, 2019 5:25 PM  

They'll never disarm the entire country but they will make it much more difficult for new shooters to obtain a licence, and they'll ban scary-looking "assault" rifles.
I am reliably informed that the AR-15 has been selling extremely well in New Zealand, of late. So, that'll be interesting...

Blogger Clay March 16, 2019 5:50 PM  

Why do you guys constantly refer to a mass-murder's ranting as a "manifesto"?

I think the Una Bomber started this.

Blogger DJT March 16, 2019 6:04 PM  

Because that's what it is.

"A manifesto is a published declaration of the intentions, motives, or views of the issuer, be it an individual, group, political party or government."

Blogger PG March 16, 2019 8:03 PM  

Weka, your forgot to add the non voters. I believe they hold second position on your leader board.

Blogger PG March 16, 2019 9:48 PM  

Every time the government suggests/tries tightening the gun lawns in NZ it triggers a FOMO and, somewhat ironically, people stock up. It's like planning a dump but causing a pump. This suggests the analyst doesn't know his market = get better algorithms dude.
Unless of course the plan was actually a pump.

Blogger Didas Kalos March 16, 2019 10:08 PM  

@PG I think you awakened too soon. :)

Blogger Damaris Tighe March 16, 2019 10:19 PM  

Harambe wrote:Damaris Tighe wrote:There is no false flag. This is a Crusader come down from the internet.

Oh shut up. No one thinks you're awesome and edgy.

Quite likely, Harambe. But did you have an argument?

Blogger Damaris Tighe March 16, 2019 11:29 PM  

This "he can't be a Crusader" because not Christian" argument is too literal.
"Crusader" is what the jihadis always call us, the killer framed himself in the tradition of the defenders of Christendom - "Tours 732" etc.and there is the wider meaning re moralising activist.


He is a Crusader come down from the internet.

Coming down from the net is actually more interesting issue as this is also starting to happen with Influencers like Sargon.

Blogger Achilles March 17, 2019 1:59 AM  

> VD says he can detect multiple authors in the manifesto.

VD says is not evidence. He's human and can make mistakes.

> Biggest red flag for me is that the shooter never talked about (((them))).

He did mention them. You would think people that can claim to discern multiple authors would be able to grasp the subtext of his comment on Jews.

> He also had money and spent a lot of time globe hopping,

I didn't know people on the Right were all penniless and never traveled farther than their trailer park.

>Where's the evidence anyone here wishes for this to be so,

Because the claim is pure speculation. And that didn't occur in a vacuum.

> shill?

Questioning assumptions. I must be a shill.

> That's false flag evidence right there - that you, paid or unpaid, show up to point fingers and shame people for questioning the narrative.

"People are pointing out our total lack of evidence. That's the evidence!" Take your meds and the Glow in the Darks will disappear. Promise.

Blogger Toris March 17, 2019 2:44 AM  

I haven't seen movie on the shooting we had in Aramoana early 90s, but I can already hear clackety clack of keyboard out there somewhere: 'Christchurch of Hate, Mosque of Love'. Clench those cheeks Kiwis, some white-guilt sodomising coming your way, vaseline not included.

Blogger Jim Blake March 17, 2019 3:21 AM  

It's a practice run, getting ready for the big day in the US.

Blogger PG March 17, 2019 7:01 AM  

@Toris It's actually a good movie. I doubt anything more recent would be worth watching.

Blogger Avalanche March 17, 2019 8:26 AM  

"NZ gun owners would roll over because they are baby boomers"

Does NZ even HAVE baby boomers by that name? Or is that an American thing? How much American slang is in the manifesto in place of Aussie slang? (Guy was an Aussie, not Kiwi, apparently?) I've never heard of any Brits referred to as boomers... Nor any other European. Just WHO wrote this thing?

Blogger Avalanche March 17, 2019 8:31 AM  

@16 "shouldn't elect women to public office. Yeah, there are exceptions,"

No, there really are no exceptions: because "the exception 'proves' the rule" (in the original sense of TESTING the rule...) -- and if oyu let ONE in who can do the job -- all the others will raise high holy hell until you let in the ones who can't. You see that everywhere -- the woman who abjectly flunked firefighting school three times and then SUED to be one anyway because she really really really WANTED to be a firefighter?!

Blogger Toris March 17, 2019 8:37 AM  

Cheers PG, I'll take a look.

Blogger Toris March 17, 2019 8:41 AM  

Day before shooting, new Supreme Court Chief Justice sworn in. Rough times for Kiwis. Helen Winkelmann, married to Martin Wiseman, pro progessivism, anti conservatism, pro social justice, pro feminism, gonna be quite the Chief Social Justice Warrior.

Blogger Avalanche March 17, 2019 8:43 AM  

@26 "Breivik's notion that it is possible to be a cultural Christian without believing in God. Breivik wrote that his followers "don't need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian atheist.""

Thank you for posting this. That cements St Breivik as my personal 'saint.' (Example-word, yes? I'm not turning Catholic.) I describe myself as a wistful non-Christian, because I have not (yet?) been able to make the leap of faith. When I am called on to write, speak, or eventually fight AS a Christian, I will, without hesitation, but without (yet) the underlying belief of gott mit uns.

I'm neither agnostic nor atheist -- but I haven't belief. (Yet?) Leave a space, you hostile Christians, leave room for non-believers to approach and perhaps find the 'door in.' (e.g., @27 "Christian Atheist" - our world is awash in dangerous nonsense taken far too seriously.) Is it not enough that we will fight for your belief and our people?

Would you bar the door to us?

Blogger sammibandit March 17, 2019 12:23 PM  

@Avalanche, of course I wouldn't bar the door for cultural Christians to help. It's not my call to bar or admit people either. If it were my call I would likely say "come on in" trusting that leaps of faith in Christ are to follow at some unknown point.

But to the question if BT or Breivik are Christians I have to say no based on the information at hand. Matt 5:37 instructs to let yes be yes and no be no. So if both fellows answer "it's complicated" to the question of if they're Christian it's as if they are saying no.

Fwiw Avalanche that's a fair question to ask me and I thank you for asking it in kindness. I think you're a cool lady. No sarcasm at all.

Blogger Avalanche March 18, 2019 8:49 AM  

@85 "But to the question if BT or Breivik are Christians I have to say no based on the information at hand. Matt 5:37 instructs to let yes be yes and no be no. So if both fellows answer "it's complicated" to the question of if they're Christian it's as if they are saying no."

Is it the answer or the act? My heart quails at Breivik's acts and yet I fully support him for having done it; he made the RIGHT choice and took the actions necessary for a man protecting his own against our enemies. (It's why I am 100% AGAINST women in the military -- and I was an active duty Navy officer for 6-some years.) A man WILL do what is necessary; it's a hard woman who will.

Although, while I looked with HUGE trepidation at ... some recent cause of an expected chimp-out ... and was both dreading and committed to: if we Whites are called to arm up and stand on the county border (and repel boarders!) of our once-upon-a-time "sun-down" county, I'd have to go do it. And I would. I was relieved that the chimping-out did not reach this far away from our big city.

Saint Breivik killed the future leaders of the people who have destroyed his country, his people. The people who support, allow, and arrange for his beautiful blonde women (and some 10-yr-old blond boys!) to be raped, tortured, and murdered AT HOME! How was St. Breivik's not actually a GODLY act?! Did not God Himself direct his people to kill all the people and the animals, burn the crops, and salt the earth, that none shall remain? Was St. Breivik early? I dunno, maybe not: he is a MARTYR to his people; how can that be wrong?

I clipped and keep the audio piece wherein Vox Day discusses St. Breivik, and William Tell; and how Sweden has statues (and strike a coin Vox has kept) revering Wm Tell -- who was forced by his foreign overlord to shoot an apple off his son's head. When asked after his success what the second arrow was for, Tell said, "For you" to the governor. Vox points out (and I did not know) that later that day Tell ambushed and killed the governor and his men. He is (rightly) lauded as national hero in Sweden.

And I love Vox's other comment; here paraphrased:
national leaders are men of blood and violence


"Fwiw Avalanche that's a fair question to ask me and I thank you for asking it in kindness. I think you're a cool lady. No sarcasm at all."
Thanks for the nice response. I'm old, and have been mired in this coming-awake stuff for 20+ years. Vox Day has been an amazing 'grad-school' tutor, adding to and correcting stuff I have known... and preparing me for what's coming.

"I would likely say "come on in" trusting that leaps of faith in Christ are to follow"
Yes, this is my hope. But to bar the door to St. Breivik (whom I do not believe was a False Flag, as this Tarrant guy certainly appears to be); to not differentiate between those killing our ENEMIES, and those (mostly mohammedans and foreigners) raping and killing OUR people, is to probably make a huge error that harms our people.

p.s., and as Vox starkly put it on a recent Dark Stream (and as expanded / emotionalized by me): the U.S. ("Greater Judea") has killed literally MILLIONS of innocents. If you're going to get upset about 'civilian casualties' in the first faint operations of OUR SIDE against our foreign overlords and their invader-weapons already inside our gates; then shame on you! (Not you directly, Sammi; all the flinching folks who pretend the war is not here yet, because we don't hear the artillery -- or the cries of our injured!)

NPC: Oooooh, the Saracens killed some 3 thousand people on 911! We HAVE to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here...

Open eyed: Yes, and "we" have killed 10-20-30 TIMES that many in their countries! And we've invited MORE than enough here to have to fight them here too -- and then we DON'T fight them here!!

Blogger sammibandit March 18, 2019 7:35 PM  

@ Avalanche

>Saint Breivik killed the future leaders of the people who have destroyed his country, his people. The people who support, allow, and arrange for his beautiful blonde women (and some 10-yr-old blond boys!) to be raped, tortured, and murdered AT HOME! How was St. Breivik's not actually a GODLY act?! Did not God Himself direct his people to kill all the people and the animals, burn the crops, and salt the earth, that none shall remain? Was St. Breivik early? I dunno, maybe not: he is a MARTYR to his people; how can that be wrong?

Well said. Very well said. The Reverend in the article I shared on this thread noted that where Breivik lives is not very religious. I can relate to that because my background is Scandi Lutheran. It's just not something we think about, being religious. So I don't think he's alone being Norwegian and religiously ambivalent in his self reports. Ask me sometime about the scandi hobby of lying about your demographics for population studies hahaha.

So with that said I give the man his grace for doing WorksTM in a country that religiously doesn't value WorksTM. I hope he comes to Christ.

Blogger Unknown March 23, 2019 5:49 AM  

Same. I'm Australian and I would reference NZ in almost all of my gun control debates, even after this shooting I'm willing to be they still have a lower murder rate.

Blogger PG March 23, 2019 6:53 AM  

The most common murder in NZ is domestic violence, generally women and children are the victims, but not carried out exclusively by men.

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