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Friday, March 15, 2019

This may amuse you

It's a little bizarre to see the difference in the way I am perceived by the Reprehensibles, which is to say the Darkstream viewers, as opposed to the way the Dread Ilk see me. This comment by EA may amuse some of the more longtime readers:
I wonder why Vox is so interested in ranks and titles among men and organizing in general. He calls himself sigma which I take means a reluctant leader. Yet it seems to me that he has a desire to lead or organize people in some fashion. Otherwise why be so interested in military strategy and even go as far as inventing labels to apply to people that he percieve to behave a certain way?

I'm not going to pretend to understand how men think. But is not a reluctant leader more likely to mind his own business and prefer solitude over the constant grind that is modern drama and politics on the internet. I imagine a sigma to be a hermit or a quiet man that's able to face any situation calmy. That if given the opportunity would be the greatest alpha on the planet, but he don't want it.

I think Vox might actually be a bit of that which he hates the most, a gamma. A self aware or rehabilitated gamma maybe, because unlike a real sigma he is rattled by people that challenge him on the internet. In role playing terms I think this if Vox:

Name: Vox
Title: Dark Lord
Class: Multi-class - 25% Alpha | 25% Gamma | 50% Delta
Proficiency: Charisma, Intellect.
Weakness: Illusion and mind altering spells (Psychologically fragile, emotional)

But what do I know, I'm happy not being a part of the hiearchy at all. I'm just a mischievous woman.
I'm so interested in the subject that I stopped posting at Alpha Game and I'm so desperate for attention that I turned down multiple requests for interviews from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation earlier this week. I don't talk to the media, I don't accept speaking invitations, and I don't do book signings or book tours.

Where do people get these ideas about motivations and objectives of others? Is it all just solipsism and projection?

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126 Comments:

Blogger widlast washere March 15, 2019 12:31 PM  

With most idiots it's just a crap-load of projection.
I would assume that a bit of envy is involved also.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 15, 2019 12:32 PM  

Charisma is one of Vox's proficiencies?

Blogger Balam March 15, 2019 12:33 PM  

Ever since Vox pointed it out I can't un-see the amount of projecting SJWs and Gammas do. He practically outlines his own nature in his post.
Name: EA
Title: (Secret) King
Class: Multi-class - | 50% Gamma | 50% Delta | (25% illusory Alpha)
Proficiency: Snark, Intellect
Weakness: Illusion and mind altering spells (Psychologically fragile, emotional)

Blogger #7139 March 15, 2019 12:33 PM  

Is it all just solipsism and projection?

Yes.

Blogger S. Misanthrope March 15, 2019 12:38 PM  

Yes.

Blogger Weak March 15, 2019 12:38 PM  

Yep. Textbook projection.

Blogger Jay in DC March 15, 2019 12:40 PM  

Actually unlike your sycophants here, I have no dog in this fight and I'd say that is assessment is 'moderately' accurate.

The numbers are skewed IMHO. 33% Alpha, 33% Sigma, maybe a split for the last 33% between Delta / Gamma. I'm just spitballing here.

I 100% don't think you 'emotional' though. The opposite if anything you are calculatingly rational almost the point of being spectrum sometimes. But that is very common in VHIQ / UHIQ people though. Many normies observe this because they can barely communicate with them so they perceive the deficiency as the other person's rather than their own.

But your Darkstreams / videos / interviews themselves are a fascinating longitudinal study if one was interested in looking. Your speaking skills are exponentially better now than long ago which makes sense given that most human beings learn through repetition. I actually enjoy your DS delivery style now especially w/ the graphic layovers etc. vs the earlier stuff.

I'm not just taking the piss, I think honest critique is healthy vs.the gamma / secret king 'let me tear this guy down because I'm sooooo much smarter'.

Darkstream viewers (like moi) who aren't as invested in Vox' history I think have a more critical eye about how to reach mass audiences, etc.

My unsolicited .02

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 15, 2019 12:47 PM  

Very good call turning down Trudeau's CBC.

Blogger Daniel Babylon March 15, 2019 12:48 PM  

Did you ever claim to be a Sigma?

Blogger Mark Stoval March 15, 2019 12:49 PM  

"This may amuse you"

It did. Thanks for the heads up.

Blogger Mahorka March 15, 2019 12:54 PM  

OT: Is Hagen of Nibelungenlied the Patient Zero Gamma? Especially with him and being the only guy who dares to strike Siegfried from behind (the Gamma courage?) and his feelings towards Brunhilde? I think there are also opinions that Siefried is a loutish buffon but Hagen an enigmatic, complicated hero.

Blogger Salt March 15, 2019 12:55 PM  

I am amused.

Blogger Daniel March 15, 2019 12:56 PM  

Is it all just solipsism and projection?

Not all. Some of it simply comes from limited knowledge. After all, she doesn't know you or understand you at all, so it is starting from ignorance. Whatever pattern-recognition template she is going off of does not accommodate the sigma. This should not be a surprise. The majority of women do not encounter the sigma enough (or at all) to recognize the archetype.

So, it starts with an imperfect system of understanding. Because it is a system, however, the owner of the system is going to try hard to make the system work, because she built it.

So solipsism and projection become key tools to "fit" the sigma into it.

But not just those two. I think the inherent errors of the system will also help confirm the bad read.

In other words, if her system has a a partially true assumption like: "most people misunderstand their place in the hierarchy" (when the truth is that most people misunderstand their place in the hierarchy when first cognitively encountering it), then it is the system error, and not her solipsism that probably gets her rolling down the wrong path).

In other words, even if you took away her solipsism and projection, she'd still screw up the read, and probably needs to address her system of understanding, too.

Blogger FUBARwest March 15, 2019 12:57 PM  

"Proficiency: Charisma"

WTF?!?!....

"I'm just a mischievous woman."

Ah makes perfect sense.

At first this was another gamma posting, then it concluded to be a woman wanting to shoot her shot for a ride with Vox.

It's becoming clearer every day that gammas are exhibiting female behavior which is why everyone despises them.

Blogger Nate March 15, 2019 12:58 PM  

of for fucks sake.

Gammas don't go looking for the most violent dojo they can find hoping to break bones.. and willing to have their own bones broken to get the chance.

Blogger Sean Carnegie March 15, 2019 1:00 PM  

Very good call turning down Trudeau's CBC.

Seconded. The CBC makes the BBC balanced in comparison.

Blogger JACIII March 15, 2019 1:00 PM  

Speak of the devil and....

Blogger Nate March 15, 2019 1:00 PM  

Gammas are direct conflict avoidant. What in Vox's life makes anyone thing he is conflict avoidant?

I mean if you want to take shots at him its not hard. The guy drove an MG and signed with a notoriously gay record label... there is plenty of good ammo.

Blogger Coyotewise March 15, 2019 1:03 PM  

Right again. Been here 12 years and yes, I do find this very amusing.

Blogger Rhys March 15, 2019 1:03 PM  

I always find it a litte "convenient" how they disagree with your characterization of sigma and alpha, but not gamma. Sigma and alpha must be redfined until they no longer include Vox, but gamma, the insult, is just fine as is. Not only is it fine, but they'll even adopt as an insult to use against other people, including the guy who popularized the term, who they think is totally wrong about the SSH entirely. Except gamma.

Blogger Daniel March 15, 2019 1:07 PM  

What in Vox's life makes anyone thing he is conflict avoidant?

Well...he is a lifetime member of the SFWA in good standing. People could lump him in with his esteemed peers.

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 15, 2019 1:07 PM  

@16 - Seconded. The CBC makes the BBC balanced in comparison.

On the other hand, watching VD take no prisoners on the CBC would have been highly entertaining!

Blogger VFM #4388 March 15, 2019 1:08 PM  

Actually unlike your sycophants here, I have no dog in this fight...

As a slavering minion sworn to mindless obedience, I am a dog in this fight. And yet, using that to dismiss my judgement or as an argument in favor of your own is the genetic fallacy.

...and I'd say that is assessment is 'moderately' accurate.

And I'd say that your data are wildly incomplete.

The numbers are skewed IMHO. 33% Alpha, 33% Sigma, maybe a split for the last 33% between Delta / Gamma. I'm just spitballing here.

Demonstrating that you've thoroughly missed the point.

Darkstream viewers (like moi) who aren't as invested in Vox' history I think have a more critical eye about how to reach mass audiences, etc.

So many things so wrong...

1) I'm not invested in Vox's history. I simply know more of it than you.
2) I'm not invested in Vox's history. I am invested in his ability to effectively select targets and actions to take against them.
3) One could as easily argue that investment makes me more critical rather than less.
4) Reaching a mass audience is not the final cause, it is a means. If you do not know the objective, you cannot actively critique the tactics chosen to achieve it.
5) Even assuming 1, 2, 3, and 4 are wrong, that your lack of investment is a boon to your critique, and that achieving mass appeal is the SDL's goal, why would he care what YOU think? At any time, he can call Owen, Cerno, or Milo and ask for advice on achieving mass appeal and they'll actually give him the time of day. Do you have even a fraction of the audience of even the least of these? Have you systematized which of your actions has helped you grow this great audience of yours and which have detracted from it? Have you tested this system?

In short,
Non Respicimus.
We don't care.

Blogger cheddarman March 15, 2019 1:08 PM  

People should be able to pass a pain tolerance test administered by The Kurgan before commenting here, imo, would make comments great again

Blogger Nate March 15, 2019 1:08 PM  

"Well...he is a lifetime member of the SFWA in good standing. People could lump him in with his esteemed peers."

oh damn. We have our first nomination for Cruelty Artist of the Year boys.

Blogger DonReynolds March 15, 2019 1:13 PM  

When I think of Sigma, the first person who comes to mind is a quiet person, with considerable intellect and personal charm, who does not crave command or attention....Dwight Eisenhower. Not bad company to keep if you are a Sigma.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 15, 2019 1:16 PM  

Watch out for that one. She's writing her name with yours in the Trapper Keeper of her mind.

Blogger GammaCatch March 15, 2019 1:18 PM  

Amusing. Recognition of socio-sexual categories among men, the fractal nature of those categories, and the appropriate classification of those within those categories, is essential in the workplace. Applying that knowledge to outside social behavior and interaction makes navigating any nature of conversation easier. Knowing who you are dealing with, within a template, is a great way to predict near future behavior down to the next paragraph. The more rigid the structure (eg: work) the more defined the structure within. Proof of the systems accuracy is further seen the more abstract the social structure becomes. Anonymous at a party or working the factory floor, these categories are undeniable.

Blogger Rhys March 15, 2019 1:20 PM  

For me, Calvin Coolidge is the quintessential sigma.

Blogger Nate March 15, 2019 1:20 PM  

"Darkstream viewers (like moi) who aren't as invested in Vox' history I think have a more critical eye about how to reach mass audiences, etc."

15 year old girls who love pop-country can tell you how to make your country music appeal to the masses.

That doesn't mean Whitey Morgan gives a damn.

Blogger fiendeJ March 15, 2019 1:20 PM  

@20 I'd say there's a case to be had for them seeing Gamma-as-rhetorical bludgeon. Which ignores the pattern behaviour. Like CS Lewis remarks in Mere Christianity about the Gentleman. It ends up being good-man, or bad-man.

Blogger Sean March 15, 2019 1:22 PM  

Wait The SDL drove an MG? I've been on this blog from near the beginning and I somehow missed this nugget. I hope it at least had a silver skull gearshifter.

Blogger Gregory the Great March 15, 2019 1:22 PM  

a. EA might just "identify" as a woman in spite of possessing a penis (dare I say "gamma penis"?).
b. It is obviously time for some good woman or man to start analyzing and classifying types of female behaviour according to the socio-sexual hierarchy of that sex.

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 15, 2019 1:23 PM  

Vox, I believe you proposed the other day that Sigmas may be Omegas who, for some reason or other, became more successful or better looking later in life, i.e. late bloomers.

In which case, classifying yourself as a Sigma is not exactly bragging.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman March 15, 2019 1:25 PM  

JJ Cale - quintessential sigma.

Blogger LES March 15, 2019 1:25 PM  

Did you all get a personal invitation to follow Vox Day?
'cause I didn't get one.

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 15, 2019 1:25 PM  

John Scalzi is over-projecting: He is not 25 percent Alpha! He is 0.25 percent Alpha! /s

Sigma-like movie characters worth mentioning: Frank Bullitt (Steve McQueen) and Tom Doniphon (John Wayne).

Blogger JACIII March 15, 2019 1:28 PM  

I misplaced a Christmas video around here somewhere.... Anyone seen it?

The guy drove an MG and signed with a notoriously gay record label...

Did someone mention Flock of Seagulls haircut?

Blogger 1100 March 15, 2019 1:29 PM  

I am so glad she cleared this up for me that I can now see how Vox is potentially "the greatest alpha on the planet," if only he had the opportunity to blossom into his true self. Maybe one day he will be self-actualized.

Blogger Ransom Smith March 15, 2019 1:30 PM  

See, people are going to read that and just assume women can't handle RPG character creation.
Because those are the stats that would make the most generic build possible.

Blogger Stickwick Stapers March 15, 2019 1:30 PM  

"I'm not going to pretend to understand how men think..." followed by three paragraphs of pretending to understand how men think.

Proficiency: Charisma...

Ahahahaha! Whaddya wanna bet Ms. Mischief wants some attention from Vox? If a woman really thinks a man is a gamma, she just nukes him. If she thinks he's a higher rank but wants his attention, she does something like this.

Blogger Slen March 15, 2019 1:30 PM  

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Blogger SirMaorio March 15, 2019 1:31 PM  

female/gamma, same thing in this context. the difference is the gamma "secret king" complex vs the female "I AM A QUEEN" complex, both are annoying and both are about as sophisticated...

Blogger Blaidd March 15, 2019 1:32 PM  

(like moi)

Referring to oneself with parenthetical. Verdict: Gamma

Blogger Silent Draco March 15, 2019 1:32 PM  

Someone obviously hadn't researched the blog archives concerning AWKS. The Dark Lord character class is a pale copy of his true abilities.

A Sigma with a reported 535 VFM sworn to do his bidding should be treated with respect. Otherwise the result is unlike Archimedes: "Minions, FETCH! PLAY! I warned you gammas not to disturb my circles."

Blogger D. H. Rogers March 15, 2019 1:33 PM  

My observations regarding the socio-sexual hierarchy. (Open to dissection and critique)

Ideally society should be made up of alphas, betas, deltas, and sigmas. Society functions well when there are natural leaders (alpha), the necessary management team (beta), the workers carrying out the duties for establishing society (delta) and the special forces (sigma) whose interests work especially for solving complex situations.

These three have baseline potential to increase toward being morally good or evil. (Assuming, of course, from a Christian perspective that all are fallen but nevertheless have potential to yield to that fallen nature or resist it by the means provided by God.)

Gammas and omegas start with an added baseline gravitating toward evil.

Gammas begin with pride and bitterness. They want to be recognized as alphas but do not have the inherent qualities to be such and are unwilling to engage in the discipline that would move one toward such. They want their internal perception of their own leadership competence to be recognized by all else and become embittered when the rest of society refuses to see who they “really” are. This pride and bitterness are moral evils which must be tempered through humility and gratitude.

Omegas begin with self-pity and cowardice. They restrict themselves to be identified by their flaws whether the flaws be the unfortunate results of genetics and the subsequent societal difficulties that result or the flaws as a series of poor choices that place them as outliers in society. Their identity becomes their self-pity. Every person has the potential to improve and must engage in courage working toward the improvement. One remains at the chosen level of societal strength due to choices to stay as an outlier in almost every conceivable way. This is cowardice and refusal to grow. It is inherently stagnant and eventually rots. This is a moral evil inherent to this particular status.

Blogger Salt March 15, 2019 1:34 PM  

MG was a great ride.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 15, 2019 1:35 PM  

I would have thought your Alpha-Gamma-Delta to be more of your petty thug criminal type. A pretty poor shot at belittlement.

Maybe women have such a distaste for Gamma, as they see the effeminate nature of the Gamma?

In terms of rarity: Sigma, Omega, Alpha, Bravo, Gamma, Delta.
Maybe gamma is more common than Delta.

Sigma sounds a bit like signet.

Blogger Slen March 15, 2019 1:37 PM  

It is amusing to think that Vox himself has experienced that "Clenched Sphincter of Uncertainty" when trying to start his MG. Safety Fast!

Blogger Daniel March 15, 2019 1:39 PM  

For me, Calvin Coolidge is the quintessential sigma.

No.

Blogger JACIII March 15, 2019 1:40 PM  

People support VD because he has something interesting to say. Most times. He fights and knows who the enemy is, admits he's wrong readily, is always looking to learn and shares what he learns, and takes a ribbing almost as good as any little girl in town.

As for recent commenters' projected inadequacies - We see you.

Blogger maniacprovost March 15, 2019 1:43 PM  

Sigma-like movie characters worth mentioning

Sigmas are overrepresented in fiction. Perhaps because they represent an aspiration for Deltas.

I am torn as to whether Sigmas are introverted Alphas or successful Omegas. Omegas are probably much more variable than the other classes, so it's a hard comparison. Genuine antipathy for generic strangers (as opposed to sour grapes or fear) does create the condition of a reluctant leader.

Blogger Daniel March 15, 2019 1:44 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:When I think of Sigma, the first person who comes to mind is a quiet person, with considerable intellect and personal charm, who does not crave command or attention....Dwight Eisenhower. Not bad company to keep if you are a Sigma.

Also: No.

Blogger Scott March 15, 2019 1:46 PM  

"Is it all just solipsism and projection?"

The writer was a woman, Vox.

Blogger Rick March 15, 2019 1:46 PM  

EA’s comment is a Word Wall False Flag to cause chaios and division in hopes to eclipse the release of the next Voxiversity on GAMMAS.

If Vox wasn’t such a gamma, he would have know not to release it and instead FF it himself.

Blogger Scott March 15, 2019 1:48 PM  

Ah, I forgot that sarcasm doesn't translate to print.

Many women are deeply solipsistic and project constantly.

Blogger JACIII March 15, 2019 1:51 PM  

Scott wrote:Ah, I forgot that sarcasm doesn't translate to print.

Many women are deeply solipsistic and project constantly.


Use "/s" when in doubt.

Blogger Nate March 15, 2019 1:52 PM  

Look... this isnt' hard..

Alpha: Hulk Hogan

Sigma: Randy Savage

Blogger Rick March 15, 2019 1:56 PM  

Two sigmas and a gamma walk into The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

Blogger Daniel March 15, 2019 1:58 PM  

The only sigma that I can think of who would ever dream of bothering to run for President is this guy.

And he'd only get stuck with job on accident.

This would be his official Presidential portrait with the First Lady.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei March 15, 2019 2:01 PM  

I'm not going to pretend to understand how men think.

Then why are you still typing, sweetcheeks? The whole thing is obviously far beyond your ken.

he is rattled by people that challenge him on the internet

Being the electronic equivalent of a mosquito doesn't make you a challenge, but rather a mere irritant. No surprise you can't grasp the difference.

Blogger Silent Draco March 15, 2019 2:02 PM  

At this point, I wonder about the content of Spacebunny's "dearie" reply. The female of the species is most dangerous of all.

I shouldn't look, but ... blood sport.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 15, 2019 2:04 PM  

"This should not be a surprise. The majority of women do not encounter the sigma enough (or at all) to recognize the archetype."

@13 Daniel
I suspect that women like Sigmas, but because Sigmas do have some superficial similarities to Gammas or Omegas, the women also shit-test them harder and longer to make sure they aren't.

Sort of like the flip side to the strutting superficially-Alpha type of Gamma, or Cartoon Alpha, that women latch onto quickly but also flame out with quickly.

"Maybe gamma is more common than Delta."

@48 1st Earl Hardwicke
Pretty sure it depends upon whether the immediate area voted for Trump or Hillary. If Hillary, more Gammas. If Trump, more Deltas.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 15, 2019 2:07 PM  

"Dwight Eisenhower. Not bad company to keep if you are a Sigma.

Also: No."

@53 Daniel
Agreed. Eisenhower was far too much of a buttboy to the Soviets to ever be a Sigma. Unless he was an evil Sigma, of course.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman March 15, 2019 2:09 PM  

It looks like Laguana Beach Fogey has now relocated to DC

Blogger VFM #7634 March 15, 2019 2:09 PM  

"@48 1st Earl Hardwicke
Pretty sure it depends upon whether the immediate area voted for Trump or Hillary. If Hillary, more Gammas. If Trump, more Deltas."

And if you're Brit, substitute "Leave" and "Remain" for "Trump" and "Hillary", respectively.

Blogger Daniel March 15, 2019 2:14 PM  

Women love Sigmas for sex, especially for "sex that doesn't count" toward the quota. This isn't a shit-test, its a pre-emptive "washing of the ineligible hands," possibly with some root ignorance of how it works thrown in. Sigmas are the least shit-tested of the archetypes, I would guess, because Sigmas have the Next on speed-dial BEFORE a woman has even gotten with him.

Hot-enough women are just trying to get into the proverbial Rolodex - only the really stupid ones will attempt a shit-test when sigmas are the only class that will Next for absolutely no discernable reason. Women are, at least until a certain age, entirely expendable to the Sigma. Even the Alphas will be more likely to keep a girl on as long as she doesn't test.

Blogger Scott March 15, 2019 2:14 PM  

I'm not sure that I understand Vox's categories well enough to comment, but the description for Sigma's strike me as someone with "Fuck You" money.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 15, 2019 2:16 PM  

Omega: Bishop from "Aliens II", Issac Newton, Columbine Shooters, various Chancellors.

maniacprovost wrote:Sigma-like movie characters worth mentioning

Sigmas are overrepresented in fiction. Perhaps because they represent an aspiration for Deltas.

I am torn as to whether Sigmas are introverted Alphas or successful Omegas. Omegas are probably much more variable than the other classes, so it's a hard comparison. Genuine antipathy for generic strangers (as opposed to sour grapes or fear) does create the condition of a reluctant leader.


Alpha's exert their objective will upon the world, A is A; extroversion. As an objective mode of thinking, that is inevitably part of the hierarchy.

Omega's do not. However, perhaps there are ways of adopting various metaphysics or acquiring knowledge, that would allow a more objective and conscious form of thinking, perhaps blending in.

Carl Jung's "Psychological Types" explains the introversion and extroversion. Perhaps there is a better source?

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 15, 2019 2:17 PM  

Fuck You Money. Don't leave home without it.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 2:22 PM  

the description for Sigma's strike me as someone with "Fuck You" money.

Sigmas are men who behave as if they have that kind of money whether they do or not. Because they all have their weird little codes.

One typical sign of a Sigma is a trail of bewildered women, most of them very attractive. They're usually not angry, they just don't know what they did to be ghosted.

Alphas tend to make women angrier because they cheat. Sigmas tend to avoid formal relationships.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon March 15, 2019 2:27 PM  

"Otherwise why be so interested in military strategy"

Yes, because if you are interested in military strategy you are obviously a future Napoleon itching to conquer Russia.

I read a few military history books when I was in high school, but honestly I don't give a crap about how the Greeks under Alexander battled their various enemies. Nor do I care about the precise arms and armor of WW2. On the other hand, I care an awful LOT about Lebanon, Kosovo, and the Balkan war. Why? Because that's what the future of the west looks like. Understanding modern warfare (which is largely demographic and economic) is incredibly important for trying to understand the world and make appropriate decisions.

I was talking to my wife about the legions of violent migrants in Europe, and she completely agreed that women are clueless about anything involving defence and survival. Never ever let a woman have any power in the military or in any branch of government involved with defence. They simply don't have a clue, particularly about the implications of letting millions of fighting aged males from primitive, tribal, low IQ and low trust cultures enter a high trust society that has feminized its male population.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 15, 2019 2:27 PM  

@67 Daniel

Women will have either one-night stands with Sigmas, or want to marry them. But a Sigma as a boyfriend just doesn't happen. Especially the type nowadays where the boyfriend is a sort of dumb prop to show off to her girlfriends or for whatever other social reasons they have.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 15, 2019 2:28 PM  

Where do people get these ideas about motivations and objectives of others? Is it all just solipsism and projection?

Mostly. It's also commonly used as a technique to avoid addressing the factual basis of any claims made by the other person, of course.

If I feel that your underlying motivation stems from so-called "racism," "sexism," "anti-semitism," "homophobia," or some other type of known crimethink, then the logic of your argument -- and the objective truth or falsehood of the facts with which you support it -- are entirely irrelevant.

Blogger Suds March 15, 2019 2:29 PM  

I always chuckle when Vox gets asked questions that seem more at home in Owens online community.

Do you listen to ConspiracyBro2019's podcast? Did Bill Cooper's book on government secrets red pill you?

"No. Anyways, what Umberto Echo got wrong, and what we saw in the Peninsular wars..."

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 15, 2019 2:30 PM  

"Is it all just solipsism and projection?"

Maybe you remind them in superficial ways of someone else they know, and using simplistic reasoning they extend the comparison too far.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman March 15, 2019 2:31 PM  

Might as well keep beating the dead horse...
If most people describe you as “ a bit weird” , yet other men like and respect you and attractive women regularly want to sleep with you - you’re most likely a sigma.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman March 15, 2019 2:39 PM  

“Women will have either one-night stands with Sigmas, or want to marry them“

Bingo! For a sigma - FWB is the rule of the day. - until he gets sick of her.

Blogger S1AL March 15, 2019 2:44 PM  

I think much confusion would be avoided by explaining that competent, capable men who don't like bullshit, don't really care about the hierarchy, and are happily married to women who range from plain to pretty are *almost certainly* (introverted) Deltas. And that's great - the world could use a lot more instead of the useless omegas and counter-productive gammas.

Blogger Cecil Henry March 15, 2019 2:51 PM  

The CBC wants to talk to Vox?

They must be really desperate to get at him, and frustrated they can't.

Laughable. Let the cat ladies talk to themselves, they were always happy to make the facts up anyway.


Blogger ADS March 15, 2019 2:53 PM  

VD's hierarchy is nifty, but once you're making a pie chart with how much of each category you are you're really missing the point. It's a tool. It has predictive value. There are others out there, like Myers-Briggs, which are also not worth obsessing over. The map is not the terrain.

Blogger Sean March 15, 2019 2:56 PM  

@Nate Good Call.


Blogger VFM #7634 March 15, 2019 3:09 PM  

"I think much confusion would be avoided by explaining that competent, capable men who don't like bullshit, don't really care about the hierarchy, and are happily married to women who range from plain to pretty are *almost certainly* (introverted) Deltas. And that's great - the world could use a lot more instead of the useless omegas and counter-productive gammas."

@79 S1AL
Deltas come in sub-Alpha, sub-Beta, and sub-Sigma classes. IOW, leaders, followers, and loners. The sub-Beta class is the most common and the prototype Delta, but the sub-Alpha is the type who's Alpha in a small group, such as a competent drill sergeant with a plain wife.

Blogger OGRE March 15, 2019 3:11 PM  

We never should have let women play role-playing games...

Blogger Rhys March 15, 2019 3:13 PM  

That makes it even more likely, not less.

Blogger Joeplanet March 15, 2019 3:13 PM  

This person did no actual thinking but instead wanted to virtue signal that they are a thoughtful critical thinker. Hallmarks of the shallows of mid-wit.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 15, 2019 3:14 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:"This should not be a surprise. The majority of women do not encounter the sigma enough (or at all) to recognize the archetype."

@13 Daniel

I suspect that women like Sigmas, but because Sigmas do have some superficial similarities to Gammas or Omegas, the women also shit-test them harder and longer to make sure they aren't.


This missive from the "mischievous woman" is a classic shit test.

"Prove to me that you are/are not X."

An Alpha might shrug his shoulders and move on, or agree and amplify with a jerkboy response if he's interested in getting the tingle or pulling her chain.

A Sigma wouldn't even bother acknowledging.

Blogger wahr01 March 15, 2019 3:15 PM  

Off topic, but Disney just re-hired James Gunn.
Anyone targeted by the left's outrage machine who does not respond with the phrase "2 words: James Gunn, now shut up and go away" is now officially a cuck.

Blogger robomuff March 15, 2019 3:17 PM  

So is there no way to get a book signed by you?

Blogger Rhys March 15, 2019 3:21 PM  

For the people dead set on figuring "what they are", ask your friends to describe you. A description of your personality can lead you to your corrosponding placement in the ssh.

Blogger allyn71 March 15, 2019 3:25 PM  

I am disappoint that nowhere in this thread has Vox's predilection for umbrella drinks or soccer been mentioned.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 15, 2019 3:27 PM  

"Bingo! For a sigma - FWB is the rule of the day. - until he gets sick of her."

@78 Welsh Woodsman
Yeah... as part of that, they're also zeroed in on by women wanting to play around on an unsatisfying boyfriend or husband, since they're sneakier and less obvious than an Alpha.

"A Sigma wouldn't even bother acknowledging."

@88 KPKInSunnyPhiladelphia
It sounds like one of those "when did you stop beating your wife?"-type questions.

Blogger Nate March 15, 2019 3:44 PM  

"Damn your stupid. No wonder your screeds get nuked on sight"

wait... did I miss one?

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2019 3:44 PM  

Where does anyone get the idea that alpha males don't get involved in "drama" or respond to insults? This is persistently brought up in reference to Trump. As though real men react silently to genitalia put-downs.

Gentlemen used to wage duels to the death over the merest HINT of insult.

Blogger VD March 15, 2019 3:46 PM  

Where does anyone get the idea that alpha males don't get involved in "drama" or respond to insults?

Perfect Gentlemen gammas.

Blogger sammibandit March 15, 2019 3:46 PM  

I'm pretty sure my father is a sigma because he's aware of the effect he has on women but doesn't care. Women used to trip over themselves asking him silly questions at the grocery store with his kids in tow. He thought it was funny if you pressed him for a reaction.

Blogger Patrick Kelly March 15, 2019 3:46 PM  

"Nate wrote:"Well...he is a lifetime member of the SFWA in good standing. People could lump him in with his esteemed peers."

oh damn. We have our first nomination for Cruelty Artist of the Year boys.

"

Yeah, I chuckled. Well played.

Blogger rumpole5 March 15, 2019 3:47 PM  

Whatever. So long as VD keeps posting interesting and amusing stuff, and attracting like commentors, I'm in.

Blogger Boorn Boorm March 15, 2019 3:49 PM  

It's a honeypot trap operation!!

Blogger Latigo3 March 15, 2019 3:59 PM  

All these people remind me of the shreikers from Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the 1978 version). The shriek that Donald Sutherland's character let out at the end of the movie is a perfect example.

Blogger Pathfinderlight March 15, 2019 4:35 PM  

@Vox

I don't think it's projection. I think you handle the question a lot on your streams for the uninitiated, then other uninitiated people think you are harping on the topic. Perhaps this issue can be solved by referring people back to your video on the sociosexual hierarchy, then fielding questions on it in a separate video down the road.

Blogger Ian1418 March 15, 2019 4:48 PM  

Don't forget the affinity for fruity drinks.

Blogger S1AL March 15, 2019 4:58 PM  

Between the rough trade, fruity drinks, record label, and SFWA membership, you guys make it sound like Vox is the quintessential gay man who decided to marry a 10/10 woman and have children while helping to save Western Civ on the side, just because he could...

Yeah, that tracks.

Blogger allyn71 March 15, 2019 5:01 PM  

Between the rough trade, fruity drinks, record label, and SFWA membership, you guys make it sound like Vox is the quintessential gay man who decided to marry a 10/10 woman and have children while helping to save Western Civ on the side, just because he could...

Yeah, that tracks.


Do you even Dread Ilk brah? Also soccer, don't forget the soccer.

Blogger Dave March 15, 2019 5:02 PM  

I am amused, thank you very much, although not quite as amused when Jo K asked Nate if he was a jooo.

Blogger S1AL March 15, 2019 5:04 PM  

Soccer is only gay if you flop around like an Itali... oh.

Blogger Nate March 15, 2019 5:12 PM  

"Yeah, that tracks."

he also loves Duran Duran.

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 5:56 PM  

@2 "Charisma is one of Vox's proficiencies?"

It is to women! All the attraction of an alpha without the most noticeable detriments. MOST women, having never met an sigma, are unaware of the equally challenging ... er ... not-really detriments of the sigma.

My beloved late husband was sigma. I really hope Vox will do a Voxiversity or Dark Stream on sigmas... the differences between them and alphas can be educational to women. (And probably thus to gammas -- the women of the men's hierarchy?) They are captivating and sometimes painful; but worth both!

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 6:01 PM  

@7 "more critical eye about how to reach mass audiences"

A multiply-denied, completely- and regularly-rejected, non-desire of Vox's.... So, did your critical eye just MISS that part?

Blogger VFM #7634 March 15, 2019 6:09 PM  

" I really hope Vox will do a Voxiversity or Dark Stream on sigmas... the differences between them and alphas can be educational to women."

@108 Avalanche
Perhaps, but he'll likely have to keep comments closed for that one.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 15, 2019 6:11 PM  

"Where does anyone get the idea that alpha males don't get involved in "drama" or respond to insults?

Perfect Gentlemen gammas."

The cuckservative attitude, in a nutshell.

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 6:27 PM  

@63 "I suspect that women like Sigmas, but because Sigmas do have some superficial similarities to Gammas or Omegas"

Disagree -- Sigmas are ALPHAs without the need/desire/intention to be the Open King. Sigmas have the confidence of the alpha without the self- ... not aggrandizement - but without the desire to BE the Lion King, in charge, out front, and on 'show.'

The downside to Alphas is they (almost) always cheat. The Sigma is AS attractive, but seems to have less of the downside; they're less likely to cheat. (That may not be true of sigmas, but -- but the .... flavor ... is there. Because they're not looking to catch and release; they just want to live their own lives?)


"Sort of like the flip side to the strutting superficially-Alpha type of Gamma, or Cartoon Alpha, that women latch onto quickly but also flame out with quickly."

Maybe the very few sigmas I've know (or read/watched in the case of Vox) have always been at the higher end of the Sigma Bell Curve (low in numbers though it may be). I've also know a good number of alphas. A woman who wants to be the alpha mate of an alpha male, the queen on stage to the king in charge, may indeed be willing to put up with cheating, 'allow' (or not fight openly) a harem of younger prettier women, and so on. The 'cost' to her is worth the crown.

The Sigma (in my experience) provides the king without the kingdom or, at least, the kingdom he rules is his private army, not the general public. (VFM, Dread Ilk, Ilk). He perhaps has the 'subjects' any king does, but his subjects are chosen and winnowed; and as Vox described somewhere (to use Navy phrasing): loyalty down begets loyalty up. Vox's 'subjects' know he is there for them. A regular Alpha may lack that; or may have way more in the outer rings and fewer in his inner circle.

Or, I may be misconceiving the entire thing.

Blogger Silent Draco March 15, 2019 6:29 PM  

VFM#7634, hold that thought about closed comments for a minute. That much coherent MMMEEEEEEEEE!!!!-on energy might be just the thing to power an interstellar jump gate. Welcome to Traveler Universe. Thinking about it, that MEEEon beam can outrange and destroy a Death Star.

It's all renewable energy, and they'll turn green from the effort; just repost when needed for power.

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2019 6:41 PM  

@113 you've got a misspelled word. should be:

It's all renewable energy, and they'll turn green from the effort; just COMpost when needed for power.

Blogger Silent Draco March 15, 2019 7:25 PM  

Avalanche dear, that's after they're expended while powering the MEEEEE-on beam. Reuse, then recycle.

Blogger Damaris Tighe March 15, 2019 7:44 PM  

"Where do people get these ideas?"

I've heard some say it's Observable Patterns of Behaviour.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke March 15, 2019 8:03 PM  

@ 114 Avalanche

Sigmas are not Alphas. Sigma, Signet. I suppose the Character Ben-Hur(Charlton Heston) would be a Sigma. Interesting they made the leo the lion introduction quiet, specially for the movie. If you've seen the movie. Notice he does not press his advantage, with his female slave. He could, perhaps it's his Omega side talking.

To make an Alpha into a Sigma, you'd probably have to isolate the guy, like in the book "I am Legend" if he survives, and doesn't go insane, he'll be a sigma. He'll probably go crazy though.

An Alpha

ConsciousnessYour consciousness is culturally determined. Therefore be careful the company you keep. I personally would say it comes from God now.
Freewill is psychological. "The man who dares to promise" - Nietzsche. "Mans choice to think or not think" - Ayn Rand. I would say it is a metaphysical question.
Idealism. Utilitarian. You mind your business, I'll mind mine. But all is fair in love and War...
Humanism. Metaphysics are rubbish, a ploy by lesser men to drag down the mighty. The World is at best in a state of flux. (a misunderstanding of Heraclitus) "Maps of Meaning" therefore offer the only sensible solution. A similar train of thought that was touched on in "7 Habits of Highly Effective people."

"A Sigma is basically an Omega, who has learned to play the game." - Voxday Darkstream

Blogger JovianStorm March 15, 2019 8:57 PM  

I always laugh at attempts to classify our Dark Lord... They basically boil down to categorization of the amount of agreement the poster has with whatever Vox has said.

He simply doesn't care and would rather spend time producing value than engaging with people whose greatest insult is essentially "I don't agree with him so I don't like him"

How many times does he have to say it before people actually believe it?

Blogger Jo K March 15, 2019 10:29 PM  

People have a way of treating the hierarchy labels as alignments in Dungeons and Dragons. Lawful Good only acts this way. Chaotic Neutral only acts with random abandon.

Blogger The Mighty Egg Bear March 16, 2019 1:03 AM  

Can a woman have a neckbeard?

Blogger Dirk Manly March 16, 2019 2:39 AM  

Yes, but he/she/it "identifies" as a puffer fish.

Blogger wreckage March 16, 2019 7:00 AM  

In my wife's family (matrilinear) the phrase "He's a charmer" is actually kind of akin to the phrase "He almost certainly has herpes." They culturally de-select Sigmas and Alphas.

This is wisdom. Alphas are useful, but they are, ultimately, not husband material. Sigmas are like that, but not as useful. Now, Sigmas are awesome and everyone wants to be one, but you have to recognize that they're incredibly destructive, especially if they get bored.

Delta, ladies. Delta is where it's at. Get yourself a Delta. Or a good-guy Gamma. If you want to be a bit competitive, get a Bravo. But Alphas and Sigmas are grief.

Blogger wreckage March 16, 2019 7:08 AM  

"But what do I know, I'm happy not being a part of the hiearchy at all. I'm just a mischievous woman."

Trans: "COME, SIRE SONS UPON ME"

Blogger The Cooler March 16, 2019 7:27 AM  

When I think of Sigmas, I think of the demon monkey from Game of Thrones.

Blogger sammibandit March 16, 2019 9:52 AM  

I got a good laugh out of how Gamma is described on Alpha Game.

Lifetime voluntary sexual partners = .5x average

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 16, 2019 8:04 PM  

"Where do people get these ideas about motivations and objectives of others? Is it all just solipsism and projection?"

That's the natural mode of the human brain....

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