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Thursday, April 18, 2019

Diversity has not been their strength

Apparently the good ship USS Intel is discovering that its much-vaunted commitment to diversity in tech is not helping it compete in a global marketplace, as it abandons the 5G modem business to Qualcomm. An engineer explains in an email:
Intel is throwing out many years of engineering.  Again!  10 nm is not working for them.  And this latest shrink is on them to develop.  Too bad they hire so many Indians who are unqualified to do this kind of work.  AMD is doing much better and shipping chips in a timely manner.  AMD owns the server market hopefully they can take over the desktop and laptop markets too.  Much better engineering departments at AMD.  The laptop market is being driven by other chip makers working on a variety of new designs.  Intel can no longer innovate gadgets which people are using.  Apple is also feeling the engineering gap.

All those H1B visa folks are cheap workers but unproductive and mostly untrained. If a company could break themselves of the H1B habit they could hire American engineering students who have been trained.  I don't think companies understand their bottom line is highly effected by the quality of the product they produce.  It is not dependent on cheap labor but on skilled labor.  Luckily AMD understands this. They will prevail.
Diversity = commitment to shorter and shorter time preferences. This is an intrinsically dyscivilizational development and will eventually lead, not only to technological stagnation, but technological regression.

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101 Comments:

Blogger Guitar Man April 18, 2019 10:51 AM  

Intel sure has come a long way from the days of the 8080 and x86 headed by Noyce, Grove, and Moore.

Blogger Damn the torpedos April 18, 2019 10:55 AM  

Slightly OT but speaking of dieverisity

Anyone else see the story about three 11 yo white young men getting creamed by a vibrant hit and run?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 18, 2019 10:57 AM  

The H1B Visa system is a huge scam. Many companies who employ this technique underpay their employees and treat the immigrants as virtual slaves. This causes them to share homes and apartments with other families, thus driving up the cost of housing while driving down salaries.

And stupid American economists seem to think it is a good idea to bring more "skilled" workers over here. The trouble is, many of them come from schools that don't have the latest tech to train on and those schools tend to have an environment where cheating is encouraged.

No surprise that they are untrained when they get here.

Blogger Wraithburn April 18, 2019 11:02 AM  

It's also an utter failure to understand what that portion of the business actually is. Intel has to sell ideas, and you don't do that by hiring plodders.

Blogger Nostromo April 18, 2019 11:04 AM  

Took my sister and nephew to Kennedy Soace Center yesterday.(they wanted to go) it is like an aging failed theme park with no rides. All you can see is the hollow husks of rockets that we used to go into space with. Now, they run movies about when we did it, as opposed to actually doing it. It was like being in one of thos apocalyptic movies were the survivors scratch out a living in the ruins of their forefathers. All I came away with is bitterness, and a burning hatred for progressive politicians.

Blogger Ora Tevzre April 18, 2019 11:04 AM  

First they outsourced the call centre workers and I did not speak up because I was not a call centre worker.

Then they outsourced the testers and I did not speak up because I was not a tester.

… and then they outsourced me.

Blogger J Van Stry April 18, 2019 11:08 AM  

I worked in tech for several decades. The Harvard and Yale grads don't know anything about tech or science, all they know is the 'bottom line'. So they hire the cheapest they can get. When those cheap H1B visa hires destroy the project, those 'smart' grads are just too savvy to realize that it was the unskilled labor that killed them.

I once worked on a half billion dollar program that failed because the hiring manager for one of the most important groups would only hire people from his village back in India. None of these people knew how to do the work. They all had books on their desk to teach them how to program. Not that they were ever at their desks to start with.

But hey, diversity and minority hiring, right?

They could have hired four high end programmers who would have knocked it out in a couple of months. Instead they hired twenty-five idiots who couldn't do it in three years.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 18, 2019 11:19 AM  

Guitar Man wrote:Noyce, Grove, and Moore

They were Dot Indians, right?

Blogger Richard Rahl April 18, 2019 11:20 AM  

I graduated with an MSEE from a Big 12 University. Anecdotally, almost all of the foreign students were from India in the EE masters program. They were hot garbage. Class hardware projects showed they had the ability of about a freshman or sophomore at where I went.

What allowed them to do decently in class material? They all shared a Google Drive with at least 5 years of software projects, homework, and tests which was passed down with each generation of Indian students.

Some profs would walk out of the room during tests and they would openly cheat. I reported this. Some profs actually took points off the tests, but nobody when I was there was kicked out, which is actually in the College of Engineering protocol for such an act. I told faculty multiple times about this and nothing was done. Most profs never changed their tests or homework.

If my experience is any indication of what is going on at other universities, we will continue to see the degradation of engineering in America. I hope it is unique to my experience, but with information like this post it doesn't seem to be isolated.

Blogger Fargoth April 18, 2019 11:23 AM  

Just witnessed a young white american male get passed up fot a biomed lab position by a european female boss because he was supposedly too assertive. She instead hired an untrained 50 year old chinese woman.

Blogger cpenn April 18, 2019 11:24 AM  

The embracing of the SJW mind set is more part of Intel's problem than their love of H1B. I worked there for 18 years before bailing out in '06. At that time, the diversity bullshit was just taking hold. The company has lost their way buying into this crap moreso than the H1B love.

Blogger widlast washere April 18, 2019 11:24 AM  

I worked in software development for Lockheed for 18 years. We had quite a few Indians on some projects, some quite good. The problem was that for every Indian "wiz kid" there were 10 idiots who caused more harm than good. On one project we had to fire the entire test team, all they did all day was talk on the phone to the home country.

Blogger Pope Cleophus I April 18, 2019 11:28 AM  

It's not just the tech companies but almost all companies. I spent a few months working for CVS in Dallas. The office looked like Mumbai. The H-1B problem is the direct result of companies demanding loyalty from their employees but not showing any loyalty to those who did the work. During the same time, executive compensation accelerated. Cut costs as CEO and you got a big pay raise from the board. Employees were replaced by contractors whose work was later moved offshore. When offshoring work became problematic, they brought in H-1B people to interface offshore and also work. The company saves money and now has a pool of slave labor. The Pharoahs would be envious.

Blogger John Rockwell April 18, 2019 11:40 AM  

How about. Drumroll*. Merit like the capacity to do the work competently.

Blogger Jeroth April 18, 2019 11:43 AM  

The absolutely batshit crazy thing about this is they could hire Americans with high school diplomas (given some IQ screening), pay a lower wage, and they would STILL do a better job than many of these H-1B Indians.

Everyone has lost their damn minds.

Blogger berb2000 April 18, 2019 11:46 AM  

On the flip side, my team has been asked to takeover a department they are closing in India. Great, more jobs right? Nah, we just will get no new people and take over what 10 people used to do. It is causing much CHURN as they like to say. Dumb bastards.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 18, 2019 11:50 AM  

widlast washere wrote:I worked in software development for Lockheed for 18 years. We had quite a few Indians on some projects, some quite good. The problem was that for every Indian "wiz kid" there were 10 idiots who caused more harm than good. On one project we had to fire the entire test team, all they did all day was talk on the phone to the home country.

That has been my experience as well. There are a few good ones who know what they are doing, but the majority do not.

If an American was caught doing half the stuff they do, they would be let go immediately.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd April 18, 2019 11:51 AM  

Of course they were Dots! Feather Indians don't have villages... The have "the Rez"

Blogger pyrrhus April 18, 2019 11:57 AM  

H1Bs are just the modern equivalent of importing slave labor, which has always been catastrophic...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 18, 2019 11:58 AM  

Richard Rahl wrote:Some profs would walk out of the room during tests and they would openly cheat. I reported this.
...
I told faculty multiple times about this and nothing was done. Most profs never changed their tests or homework.


Were any of these profs Indian? I have noticed that Indian profs are curiously blind to cheating.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 18, 2019 12:08 PM  

Intel's problem is that it is unstated company policy to never ever ever hire a White American for any reason. It is not allowed and I have it from people I know in Hillsboro that doing so will actually turn up as a negative mark on the hiring manager's review.
Only women, ethnic minorities and foreigners are hired. All the White American men who do the actual work are either in their 50s or they are contractors. Tax law pretty much limits contractors to at most a 2-year tenure.
Intel is getting exactly what they deserve, good and hard. When their last Gen-X engineer leaves the building, even their core CPU business will fail.

Blogger liberranter April 18, 2019 12:10 PM  

Intel will continue to stumble along for as long as they can remain useful (idiots) to their biggest customer, the one whose generous funding allows them to continue to ignore economic reality: the Deep State. I think it's pretty obvious that Intel, like all other companies that forsake the market in exchange for corporate welfare from Uncle Sam as their primary income source, no longer cares about the "little guy" (worker or customer) or its bottom line, because it doesn't have to.

Blogger Wraithburn April 18, 2019 12:19 PM  

Another thought that strikes me, Boomers run these companies. Gen-X holds the top engineer slots that, as Snidely said keep the wheels on. The Millenials don't even get in the door.

Blogger Wraithburn April 18, 2019 12:20 PM  

Argh, left the conclusion off.

Is it any wonder the three generations can't understand each other when they are siloed into separate niches?

Blogger Balam April 18, 2019 12:26 PM  

OT: Dallas DA, Democrat and Black, plans to stop prosecuting crimes under $750 in value. Police aren't happy about it.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-county/2019/04/17/texas-police-unioncalls-dallas-das-removal-decision-not-prosecute-certain-crimes

Noooo I wanted to flee to Texas one day.

Blogger sammibandit April 18, 2019 12:31 PM  

Just witnessed a young white american male get passed up fot a biomed lab position by a european female boss because he was supposedly too assertive. She instead hired an untrained 50 year old chinese woman.

I seriously hope the hiring manager realizes she cost tens of thousands of dollars in capital machinery service and replacement. The new hire won't meet SOP. I have yet to meet a lab tech or lab manager who isn't assertive. You need to be on the balls of your feet in these roles.

Blogger Barbarossa April 18, 2019 12:34 PM  

One of the things that cannot be stressed enough when you hire out of the Third World is not just the rampant corruption in their hallowed halls of higher education but that the entire reason for getting a degree is completely different than ours (or at least used to be).

As a small example, I was embedded with an Iraqi unit and I got to chat with the interpreter at length in the evenings. Some of his nephews lived in the U.S., and he wanted to know how they could become military aviators. Not being an airedale myself, I couldn't offer much other than the usual "study hard, try to get into ROTC or a service academy" boilerplate. Then I asked, "How long have they been interested in flying?" His response: "They aren't, but being a pilot is very prestigious." When I pointed out the hazard to life and limb entailed with putting unmotivated incompetence behind the stick of a jet-powered aircraft, he dismissed it with a "They won't actually have to fly much, will they?" Keep that in mind next time you go to your cardiologist who was "educated" in Lagos.

Blogger Skyler the Weird April 18, 2019 12:45 PM  

The head H1B hiring manager usually hires one competent engineer then brings over cousins, aunts, and uncles to 'work' with him. He does all the work and they drink tea and talk cricket and never take a shower.

Blogger JR April 18, 2019 12:47 PM  

Left Texas (DFW area) two years ago because the place looks like the UN but without Europe. Demographic projections have the state turning blue as early as 2024.

Blogger maniacprovost April 18, 2019 12:55 PM  

seriously hope the hiring manager realizes she cost tens of thousands of dollars in capital machinery

Tens of thousands? That's low balling.

Also, she doesn't care. The performance of the employee is not in her top ten concerns.

Blogger Steve Samson April 18, 2019 12:56 PM  

I suppose the upside to technological regression is that you will once again be able to fly to the moon.

Blogger basementhomebrewer April 18, 2019 12:57 PM  

"They won't actually have to fly much, will they?"

Seems to be a recurring theme, "we want the prestige without the work" is very similar to "we want the benefits of western civilization without the religion, people or culture that created it."

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 1:00 PM  

Intel has several additional systematic problems, like a long history of high level architectural decisions that cost them and their customers a lot of money, such as their obsession with how much DRAM they could stick on a single bus, which resulted in the Rambus RDRAM debacle and 2 one million part recalls, including a million motherboards Dell was about to start shipping. Related to that, the front side bus architecture that demanded putting so much DRAM on a single bus.

Historically AMD has never had its act together for long and over longer periods of time never made its shareholders money, but they did manage a coup by continuing Intel's Pentium Pro out-of-order speculative execution microarchitecture approach when Intel tried the Netburst markarchitecture, so called for marketing by getting its performance by high speeds from Intel's historic advantage in fabrication technology. The company's internal proponents predicted they could drive it to as much as 10GHz, and certainly 5GHz, which sounds impressive to the naive, but they and everyone else ran into a brick wall when Dennard scaling failed.

A large fraction of their problems can be blamed on years of firing 10-15% of their employees every year though stack ranking, it looks like it did more harm to Intel than it did to Microsoft. And that's an environment where cohesive ethnic groups will politically thrive.

I don't know how much of the above 1990s and early 21st Century failures are due to diversity, but the catastrophic and historic failure of their 10nm node, roughly equivalent to Samsung and TSMC's 7nm nodes (Global Foundries has given up on this node for the time being), was indeed at the high level due to a technically incompetent dot Indian who was good at internal politics.

Their failures with cellular modems simply show they were "average" like every other company who's tried and failed at this beside Qualcomm and MediaTek, and at least some of the companies that have fallen by the wayside were better run. Average in this field equals failure in reception quality and battery draining, and Intel wouldn't have even gotten as far as they did without Apple's desire to pay much less money for its iOS modems, see their recent very much linked settlement with Qualcomm.

"AMD owns the server market hopefully they can take over the desktop and laptop markets too. Much better engineering departments at AMD."

But the above is not even close, Intel is still doing well enough in the server market, while leaving a lot of money on the table due to production SNAFUs due to expecting their 10nm node to work RSN. AMD has a chance, but their stuff including chipsets still tends to be buggier than Intels. And in GPUs, for which they sacrificed their 00s' lead in CPUs, they're abjectly failing, still can't create good drivers, and nVidia owns the number crunching part of this market.

Interesting to mention Apple, see the above with modems that have made their iPhone inferior phones, and look at any forum but their own on their notebooks, which have bad keyboards which jam with the slightest amount of dust, and cannot be easily swapped because in pursuit of short term profits Apple is making all their gear very hard to repair.

Blogger Matt April 18, 2019 1:04 PM  

Impossible. I was told that Indians are super duper smart, and definitely don't cheat their way through school when they come here.

Blogger Warunicorn April 18, 2019 1:07 PM  

Balam wrote:OT: Dallas DA, Democrat and Black, plans to stop prosecuting crimes under $750 in value. Police aren't happy about it.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-county/2019/04/17/texas-police-unioncalls-dallas-das-removal-decision-not-prosecute-certain-crimes

Noooo I wanted to flee to Texas one day.


I always mention to my brother that even when we do move to the South, you won't be able to escape it no matter where you go. Closet fascists, vibrants and idiots with IQs lower than kumquats are everywhere, ready to ruin everyone's lives. So war it is (or will be).

I mean, we tried doing this the easy way...but nope, they wanted to be assmunches about it, so... /shrug

Blogger BastionHarm April 18, 2019 1:20 PM  

Working in IT for a quarter century now, I have come to loathe Indians. I don't know how they've managed to acquire this image of their being so smart and such good developers. They're not. Their code stinks. And, to make matters worse, they cannot communicate for shit. And I don't just mean the "I speak like Apu so that's why you cannot understand what I am saying" communication. They chronically never respond to emails, never bother to let other people know what they are doing (code changes, etc.).

They suck, suck, suck. About the only thing they are good at are repetitive, robot-like tasks like automated testing that don't require any thinking outside of the box. But, as soon as something breaks, they just shut down and expect a competent white male to come fix it.

Blogger RedJack April 18, 2019 1:21 PM  

Took my kids to SAC museum. My daughter asked "Dad, how was it like to live when the US actually cared?"

Took me back a bit. Then I had to say "Go ask Grandpa".

See a lot of people at work worried that if we don't hire unqualified people that "check the box" we will get sued.

I have hired some "diverse" people, but that all had skills. Don't care, but it is getting so I may be on the block soon because I am of the wrong background.

Norte Dame burning down is rather symbolic. Kind of like the abandoned homestead going away. Sad, but to be honest the farm (or nation) was lost so long ago it doesn't really matter. France fell over a hundred years ago, and the corpse is just starting to stink.

Blogger Joe Smith April 18, 2019 1:25 PM  

Obviously Intel is stupid. But I don't see the H1B visa problem here. If Intel wasn't committed to suicide, wouldn't they just realize these vibrants aren't doing the job they were hired to do and look elsewhere? Is this a cheap vs. skilled labor problem at all? So what if a bunch of workers will work for less if they can't do the job? This seems more like ideological commitments superseding business commitments resulting in corporate death. Which ought to be a learning experience for other companies--but it probably won't be.

Blogger Nate73 April 18, 2019 1:29 PM  

Somewhat related but higher education is completely taken over in many programs by foreign students, I don't know if that's just because (((reasons))) or something else, but in STEM it's particularly prevalent.

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 1:30 PM  

@11 cpenn, sorry I didn't remember your comment when I wrote my long one. That timing of diverity really starting to take hold in the mid '00s would indicate Intel lost the high level architectural plot (RDRAM, one front side bus, Itanium will be our only 64 bit offering despite it doing poorly in general including poor x64-32 emulation, Netburst at 5-10GHz) before diversity became their strength.

So adding a bunch of dot Indian managers and diversity workers from everywhere in a stack ranking environment ensured they'd continue to screw up, even to the point of their crown jewel of being at least one node ahead of everyone else, which allowed them to at least do OK despite a lot of the older screwups.

It's been noted in a Hacker News discussion that for the last decade they've accomplished very little, all their non-high end x86 CPU stuff has largely failed. In addition to cellular modems, their cable Internet systems have horrible bufferbloat, at least one line of Atom CPUs bricks in service, they lost the plot after 10 gig Ethernet, and WiMax was a total bust outside of Japan for a short period of time.

I note that their Joule, Galileo, and Edison products were buggy, essentially not supported, and they quickly pulled the plug on them, no one will trust Intel for a very long time in that area. They bought a not very good FPGA company and haven't done well with it, even ran off a lower end of it with TSMC because Intel's fab lines are oriented to much higher margin CPUs.

SemiAccurate now believes Intel has not totally canceled 10nm but is limiting it to one fab line only because their 7nm node incorporates some 10nm technology that must be debugged, they might as well do it now in isolation from 7nm and make some chips they can sell while their at it.

If they can't make 7nm, which is going to be a very tough node transition due to all the new problems from EUV, it's going to get grim.

Blogger DonReynolds April 18, 2019 1:34 PM  

Too much of this reminds me of French engineering, which sometimes ends up like a Rube Goldberg solution because nobody wants to insult the original engineer.

In the modern age of global communications ... text messages, voice, video .... why is it ever necessary to bring engineers and scientists to the USA to work (especially with a language barrier)? Can they not do design work anywhere in the world? That said, there would be no limitation whatsoever on the number of foreign engineers and scientists that US corporations can hire, even cheaper than if they move them to California or New York. So there is no justification for having worker visas for trained professionals. Period.

So why do major corporations fight so hard for visas for foreign workers? They work cheaper but it takes more of them to screw in a light bulb, so the money savings might be offset, but the innovative and quality edge might suffer. Yes, we already know all that, but what else is happening?

The corporations are convinced it is the only way they can achieve "diversity" of technical staff without having to compete for the few black and hispanic and female US engineers and scientists...which would drive salaries through the roof. The foreign worker visa program is a limp-wristed appearance of "diversity". They hire Indians rather than Negroes. They hire Arabs rather than Hispanics. The corporations want to create the appearance of "integration" with foreign workers rather than actually hiring US ethnic minorities.

Why? In the present legal and political environment it is much easier to fire Indians and Arabs on visas than sacred blacks and Mexicans, who would get a sympathetic ear in the liberal courts.

A better test of the value of engineering and scientific talent might be to have separate teams and see who actually innovates and designs the quality needed to compete in a global market. No more confused credit in a diverse staff. Have an Indian team, an American team, and an Arab team and set them to work. Get out your stopwatch and clipboard. Measure the results. See what you get. Yes, that would be the end of pretended integration and imaginary diversity, but then you would know.

Blogger John Kim April 18, 2019 1:37 PM  

So obvious that this would happen. Why don't these giant companies have a long game. All short term thinking.

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 1:42 PM  

@15 Jeroth:

"The absolutely batshit crazy thing about this is they could hire Americans with high school diplomas (given some IQ screening), pay a lower wage, and they would STILL do a better job than many of these H-1B Indians."

You're assuming the managers get rewarded in the short term for "doing a better job". When they get rewarded for having a higher head count and empire, get to feel a lot more in control because H-1Bs are effectively indentured servants who have to return home if fired, and of course for officially saving money. Unless things go so wrong that they kill the company, they can probably hop to a new one before the chickens come home to roost, assuming their political skills aren't good enough to make disasters into triumphs to the people they report to. Plus the ones who hate whites get to feel good about themselves.

And look at Silicon Valley, where 3/4th of the workforce is foreign born, I think we can bet most of them come from low trust societies, and we can see that almost all of them hate whites, especially white men. They're not in the game to create really great and new stuff, and outside of "Machine Learning", which is largely spying technology, they aren't, unless you consider social networks to be "really great and new stuff".

Blogger sammibandit April 18, 2019 1:48 PM  

Tens of thousands? That's low balling.

Also, she doesn't care. The performance of the employee is not in her top ten concerns.


You're right. Much too low an estimate. Does your euro manager at least understand dollars and cents?

My mom used to work with diversity hires in a hospital lab. Most lab people do not like people and that's why they work with machines. She would not help these people--something not in her nature. They never help her and she treated them as they treated her. They also don't understand that they need to train outside of work hours to maintain certification...

Depending on the political capital you have at work you could do a lot to make your new colleague's job more difficult. I hope you're not with DynaLife!

Blogger justaguy April 18, 2019 1:53 PM  

Two thoughts:
1. When working on large software project for US Navy, the contractor had to use people with clearances- so basically long-term US citizens. The experience and know how is still here, but I do not know which companies still utilize it.

2. Even though we are reaching limits in chip architecture, there is still lots of use specified application to engineer in new gadgets (5g or whatever else). It seems to me that if a company has hamstrung itself with a poor engineering workforce, then it is betting that its superior management workforce will overcome the weakness. What is a company besides its employees, its intellectual capital (mainly in its people) and its market and reputation? If that formula reaches the bad end most think it will-- that simply gives other companies not so handicapped an opening. The more a company destroys value and puts out shoddy product, the easier a newcomer enters. Think of the video card and other start-ups in the last 30 years. Most were small and grew as they found markets. I'm glad the giants are leaving holes for others. It almost seems like IBM did with EDS etc.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2019 1:55 PM  

All of this is a side-effect of the stock market's exclusive focus on share price. It drives executive compensation (which is the means by which the C-suite's occupants strip-mine the value from the firm.)

All this began during the Long Bull Market. Pretty soon shareholders (mostly institutions now) didn't give a fig about the underlying business, all that mattered were capital gains. Look how many "tech" firms don't even offer a dividend.

The stock market has completely cut any connection between a firm's actual ongoing prospects and the desire to hold its common stock. The DJIA was below 600 in 1974 (yes, ancient history for the children here) and rose almost 1200% from there to 2000. It fell by a bit less than 50% during the "down-up-down" from 2000 to 2009 and has since zoomed an astonishing 20,000 points in the last ten years (which by comparison is an anemic 320% or so off the '09 low.)

During all this, who gave a fig about the products and polities of the firm and management? As long as "the consensus earnings estimate" was good, according to a group of Wall Street analysts, no one cared.

It's a bull market, during which NO ONE cares. "Caring" only returns after the bull run turns to bear and people want explanations (rationalizations, actually) for why their feast turned into famine.

This was the largest credit-bubble asset mania in recorded history. When the bust finally arrives, the excrement that turns up from investigations will be equally historic. Possibly a whole lot of past and present CEO's will literally be executed, given how enraged will people become.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 18, 2019 2:08 PM  

"So obvious that this would happen. Why don't these giant companies have a long game. All short term thinking."

The MBA schools are teaching:

A: An engineering degree is an engineering degree -- they are all interchangeable, regardless of whether it is from MIT or Apu's non-accredited school of cheating on engineering exams.

B: You better "diversify" your company -- OR ELSE!


Add in that the way that most CEO's contracts are written encourage the following thinking: All that matters is the profit/loss sheet for NEXT QUARTER. Thinking beyond 90 days out isn't rewarded.
(See Mary Barra's idiotic decision to shut down EVERY SINGLE passenger car assembly line in General Motors. Because she's not interested in people who drive cars, only trucks and SUVs.)

Blogger tuberman April 18, 2019 2:10 PM  

"So obvious that this would happen. Why don't these giant companies have a long game. All short term thinking."

Some of it is bribes, as in large funds flow to execs who follow the Narrative of replacement of citizens with foreigners. India's companies bribe critical execs, then eventually take over much of the hiring.

Also, AA hiring, as H1B's count as minorities, and as dull robots as these people are, just try the same with Blacks?!

Just no White guys allowed.

Blogger Chiva April 18, 2019 2:25 PM  

I work with a lot of Indian H1B engineers. The biggest issue we have in working with them is the total lack of transparency and accountability. Big talkers with little to show for.

Blogger VFM Bear April 18, 2019 2:25 PM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:"They won't actually have to fly much, will they?"

Seems to be a recurring theme, "we want the prestige without the work" is very similar to "we want the benefits of western civilization without the religion, people or culture that created it."


Having rights without the commensurate responsibilities is feminism in a nutshell and that, ladies and germs, is the precedent for diversitopia. The fact that HR is pretty much all-female is also a direct contributor.

Blogger Barbarossa April 18, 2019 2:25 PM  

@41 I think one aspect of the situation you describe is that there simply aren't that many domestic diversity STEM folks out there, crappy movies like 'Hidden Figures' notwithstanding. Math be hard. Anyone coming out of a vibrant American high school is almost guaranteed to be well behind in mathematics, which makes the first two years of engineering school utter torture because the Next Newton of Color is getting remedial math through a fire hose (and most don't make it). Who wants to work that hard when you know with a degree from a name university you're going to get some cushy job as a quota hire with an outsized salary proofreading someone's PowerPoint slides? Not to mention the fact that a lot of your co-ethnicists are probably mocking you for being an Uncle Tom or Oreo for getting too close to all that white stuff in the first place.

At least in the Arab and Indian world, being an engineer has social standing, so they'll at least make the show of going to a technical school, even if a sizable number do cheat and coast all the way through.

Blogger Wraithburn April 18, 2019 2:25 PM  

dc.sunsets, that sounds very similar to the way land speculation was going around before the Panic of 1837. It actually got worse in some regards under the Jacksonian monetary policy because of how much people wanted money.

As written up in The Rise and Fall of a Frontier Entrepreneur, you could buy a bank in one state, print more money than you could actually pay, and send it to pay far off bills since you knew the money would take some time to get back to you for the specie.

Blogger NateM April 18, 2019 2:29 PM  

Ot but possibly of interest:
Pudgy 4th or 5th rate sci-fi author pics a fight with internet mutants emulating scalzi. Predictably, it ends poorly.

A user, Porzalin produced a short doc regarding the drama

youtu.be/8v307lugcOo

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 2:33 PM  

@39 Nate73:

"Somewhat related but higher education is completely taken over in many programs by foreign students, I don't know if that's just because (((reasons))) or something else, but in STEM it's particularly prevalent."

Every. Single. Time. In 1984 Reagan make (((Erich Bloch))), an IBM electrical engineer who did not have a Ph.D. the director of the National Science Foundation, and within a couple of years the NSF started a huge campaign about how we had a shortage of STEM workers.

Which was a total lie, we had a shortage willing to work at increasingly garbage, no future career wages. As far as I can tell, that was the major thing that eventually kicked off the H-1B scam, the massive replacement of Americans with foreigners in Ph.D. programs ... for them, it was a great deal, even if they didn't earn a Green Card or paper citizenship. Also feeds into a no or different quota part of the H-1B visa system.

Looking even more closely at his *pedia entry, he was "engineering manager of IBM's STRETCH supercomputer system", which was a historic failure.

Even worse, for IBM, Watson Jr's angry irrational responses to both that, which suppressed further supercomputer work at IBM, and then CDC's 6600 supercomputer, see the "janitor memo" almost killed IBM when CDC came for justified revenge with the support of the dying LBJ administration. I suspect LBJ wasn't happy with Watson Jr's dabbling in politics in the JFK administration.

Technical management is hard. Load up your company with Pajeets and other foreigners or tribal paper Americans and....

Blogger Chris Ritchie April 18, 2019 2:35 PM  

Entire books can be written (and have been) about what is wrong. Here's a simple axiom that used to apply: "Don't do business with people you don't trust." It could work up and down the business cycle. Don't hire people you don't trust. Don't sub contract with companies you don't trust. Don't buy things from companies that are unethical. The information is out there, but people prefer lies.

Blogger Chris Ritchie April 18, 2019 2:38 PM  

If I found out the Indians in my college were not being held accountable, I would have found ways to make them accountable outside the system. I went to a Service Academy. I was on the Honor Boards. We policed our own and drummed out those who didn't belong at the Academy as much as we could.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 18, 2019 2:40 PM  

justaguy wrote:It almost seems like IBM did with EDS etc.

EDS was like this in the late 90s and early 2000s. Lots of diversity hires. We had a local manager (who came from TX) who was a true believer and a major Churchian. We had a couple of average black guys and those 2 or 3 black guys managed to turn 1/2 the department black AND got referral bonuses. The first few were OK, but soon we were hiring welfare recipients. Needless to say, we lost the contract I was working on.
I worked directly for one of these black guys. This guy did nothing. I basically did both of our jobs and he got most of the credit.

Blogger Ant_B April 18, 2019 2:41 PM  

"But for some people in France, Notre Dame has also served as a deep-seated symbol of resentment, a monument to a deeply flawed institution and an idealized Christian European France that arguably never existed in the first place." https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/notre-dame-cathedral-paris-fire-whats-next-822743/

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 2:43 PM  

@46 dc.sunsets: If I got my math correct, adjusting for BLS CPI inflation, which has been seriously understating it for decades, the DJIA is up 84% from 1974, which is in a notoriously bad economic period, to today if it's at exactly 20,000. So I think this detail of your case is overstated, not that I deny there's an unprecedented in living history social mania reflected in financial markets, not to mention how big they've become in comparison to the "real" economy.

About executive compensation, US public policy has for a long time made it "performance based" for anything about $500K-1 milllion, we're getting exactly what we demanded, if you agree this has populist support.

Blogger AlfredTheBased April 18, 2019 2:44 PM  

I laughed hard at this as I just binged on Owen Benjamin's moon rants yesterday.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 18, 2019 2:49 PM  

Nate73 wrote:Somewhat related but higher education is completely taken over in many programs by foreign students, I don't know if that's just because (((reasons))) or something else, but in STEM it's particularly prevalent.

If you are a competent American, graduate school comes with a huge opportunity cost: you could be making $5k to $10k a month or more doing something productive. If you are a furriner, your opportunity cost is the $27.50 a month you could earn in the Mumbai call center.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len April 18, 2019 2:57 PM  

The stock market has completely cut any connection between a firm's actual ongoing prospects and the desire to hold its common stock.

This process started quite some time ago. Digging even further back in history, the first "tech boom" was in the 60's where any company with "dyne" in its name was considered a prime "investment". It lasted for most of the decade and ended as badly as the late 90's tech boom.

Wall Street and the banks, of course, learned no lessons and acknowledged no mistakes.

Blogger widlast washere April 18, 2019 3:00 PM  

"EDS was like this in the late 90s and early 2000s."

EDS was subbed to Lockheed to run the processing sites for the 2000 Census. What a bunch of losers. They either did not want to be there and actually work or had no clue why they were there.
The running joke was the 'EDS salute' was a shrug of the shoulders and 'duh, I dunno'.

Blogger Matamoros April 18, 2019 3:02 PM  

A friend told me that when he was in India some time ago that he saw plaques proudly advertising medical services with the guys name, and underneath "Failed Medical Exam".

This is regarded as quite prestigious that they were actually in med school. And to Indians it means that they will work cheap and have training.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim April 18, 2019 3:03 PM  

This post about Intel proves the point you made previously about “big” being over. Those competent white males will eventually find each other and (though conventions are under attack by the SJWs) network. Small companies will bring the innovations of the future, but they will be slower in bubbling up to the top. We all would do well to teach our children coding and engineering so they may create these small scale nests of development. There will have to be someone to counter the government drone armies and robo-dogs.

Blogger kurt9 April 18, 2019 3:04 PM  

Are the problems that Intel having due to their process technology in fabbing the chips? Or is it with the chip designs themselves? Transitioning between nodes (e.g. to 10nm or 7nm) implies problems with their process technology. If this is the case, Indian H1-B's would have very little to do with it. This is real materials science fabrication technology, which tends to have lots of Chinese and sometimes Koreans and Japanese in it, along with some white guys.

Perhaps someone who has worked at Intel can comment on this.

Blogger sammibandit April 18, 2019 3:06 PM  

Slightly OTT but today on Ask a Manager the host is asking why don't we (schools) do more to teach new graduates workplace norms. Apparently the home team fresh cuts are quite awkward. Sure beats me why this is a school problem and not a companies refusing to train problem.

Blogger JohnofAustria April 18, 2019 3:17 PM  

Indian cheating in tech is rampant.

So much so that even among the white people who do it we all know that we have to cheat as well as be good at whatever it is we actually do in order to amass as many certifications as the Indians.

Blogger Nate73 April 18, 2019 3:29 PM  

@54 Karhu: One thing I'm still trying to figure out is all the Jewish nobel prizes and awards related to physics and if those are genuine or not. If we define genius as +3SD then that is 0.27% of the population, which comes to about ~18700 which is a lot of people when you consider only a few cities and universities form the top research institutions. I'd be interested to see how much of that is related to admissions control committees as well.

Blogger ZW April 18, 2019 3:37 PM  

Several thoughts:

AMD, specifically, has plenty of its own problems where diversity is concerned. For example: https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/leadership

If memory serves, the NetBurst failure, mentioned above was in part due to their reliance on the India design team to make that microprocessor. The Israel design team was able to rescue the company by re-adapting the mobile version of the Pentium III and turning that into the Core microarchitecture, which limited the number of years that Intel was behind AMD in performance.

As to Israel and Intel, there's also this: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Intel-CEO-We-think-of-ourselves-as-an-Israeli-company-as-much-as-a-US-company-484209

"INTEL CEO: WE THINK OF OURSELVES AS AN ISRAELI COMPANY AS MUCH AS A US COMPANY"

Not great.

Blogger Stilicho April 18, 2019 3:39 PM  

Just a subset of GIGO: diversity in, diversity out.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel April 18, 2019 3:41 PM  

How long will it be before some major company understands that HR is largely SJW shamans who do not acquire and retain the best employees, it doesn't avert or settle intraorganizational conflict, it doesn't reduce the number or size of lawsuits, in fact it delivers the precise opposite - and slashes HR to the bone, leaving what used to be known as PERSONNEL- a small group with little authority dedicated mostly to clerical tasks?

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 3:47 PM  

@65 kurt9:

"Are the problems that Intel having due to their process technology in fabbing the chips...? Transitioning between nodes (e.g. to 10nm or 7nm) implies problems with their process technology. If this is the case, Indian H1-B's would have very little to do with it. This is real materials science fabrication technology, which tends to have lots of Chinese and sometimes Koreans and Japanese in it, along with some white guys."

You understand nothing about nepotistic hiring practices. Note @7 J Van Stry attesting to how a half billion dollar program failed because a critical part of it was staffed by the manager's village cronies. And a dot Indian was in charge of moving to Intel's new 10nm process node.

There's reputed to be some bad general engineering management involved, in that Intel tried for a more aggressive "10nm" node than TSMC's first "7nm" node, if I remember correctly trying to use self-aligned quadruple patterning beyond what any of its peers have tried. That's in alignment with Intel's pre-diversity is our strength screwups, except none of those ever managed to kill a complete process node.

Let's take this further: in trying to move to the 7/10nm node, the Chinese and Korean companies succeeded, while the 2 US based ones failed.

GlobalFoundries' claim that they didn't have enough money is credible, but at minimum they were behind Samsung and TSMC in moving to the node, which would then result fatal competition for customers if the Far Eastern companies had enough foundry capacity.

Blogger AaMcavoy April 18, 2019 4:11 PM  

I told my friend that their Indian boss, however nice and progressive sounding, would fill the department with Indians. Every time they hire somebody new, my friend sees the Indian turn down very qualified white men who live locally and bring in more Indians from NJ or CA. My friend now hates Indians.

Blogger RCR_Chris April 18, 2019 4:17 PM  

How does it go?
Get Woke, Go Broke?

Blogger FP April 18, 2019 4:19 PM  

@40

"In addition to cellular modems, their cable Internet systems have horrible bufferbloat, at least one line of Atom CPUs bricks in service, they lost the plot after 10 gig Ethernet, and WiMax was a total bust outside of Japan for a short period of time."

I oh so eagerly await the day my avoton board just randomly dies. And people call me names for not wanting to pony up $375-500 for a 8700k-9900k. At least I avoided the cable modem disaster. Thats not completely Intels fault as the design flaw was likely there before they bought that company out and not really a problem until docsis 3.0 standards hit. That Intel still continues to sell the puma6 chipset does infuriate, more so that modem makers still buy it (dirt cheap I hope) and ISPs buy the modems despite likely millions lost in maintenance/customer service costs. I have no confidence Puma7 will be any better. Why yes, lets produce a new chip thats worse than the old stuff and has security flaws leading to potential ddos attacks. I heard from a guy that ended up having the cable company rewire his house before realizing their new 32 channel puma6 modem might be the one causing the problem.

Anyway, according to Semi-Accurate, most of Intel's 10nm modem stuff was nothing but power point slides. Apple got stupid with Qualcomm and is now paying the price.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 18, 2019 4:53 PM  

Barbarossa wrote:Math be hard. Anyone coming out of a vibrant American high school is almost guaranteed to be well behind in mathematics ...

Almost anyone coming out of a vibrant American high school is almost guaranteed to be stupid. Maff be hard, and stupid makes it impossible.

About one in fifty White boys are +2SD, with an IQ around 130. They can excel in most engineering programs. Around one in a thousand Blacks are +3SD, with an IQ around 130. They can excel in most engineering programs, too.

Barbarossa wrote:... which makes the first two years of engineering school utter torture because the Next Newton of Color is getting remedial math through a fire hose (and most don't make it).

Unless he's one of those +3SD rare birds, he's not going to make it. Unless he's one of the 1 in 50 Blacks with a +2SD IQ, he probably wouldn't have made it even with adequate preparation. With good preparation, a 115IQ will get you through engineering school, if you work hard for four+ years. That ``work hard, think of the future'' thing is not a strong point of the vibrant community.

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 4:54 PM  

@70 ZW:

"If memory serves, the NetBurst failure, mentioned above was in part due to their reliance on the India design team to make that microprocessor. The Israel design team was able to rescue the company by re-adapting the mobile version of the Pentium III and turning that into the Core microarchitecture, which limited the number of years that Intel was behind AMD in performance."

Netburst was a concept failure, not an execution failure except in Intel not anticipating how quickly Dennard scaling would fail, a process issue that hit everyone. I've never heard this had anything to do with whichever people were designing the fine details of the microarchitecture, the higher levels were already decided by Intel's historically bad brain trust.

AMD stole a march on Intel by using the Pentium Pro approach in their K8 microarchitecture (so had the Pentium III), designing and implementing a reasonably good 64 bit extension of x86, and solving the lots of DIMMs on a single bus problem by eliminating the front-side bus and giving every chip a memory controller, and every core fast "HyperTransport" serial connections to the others that implemented a good enough ccNUMA architecture (cache coherent Non-Uniform Memory Access, reading memory from another chip's physical address space was slower but transparent).

Then AMD spent $5.4 billion buying GPU company ATI, $4.3 billion of that in cash, instead of investing that sort of money and attention in fab lines and CPUs, and it was game over.

Although it appears that earlier their K9 microarchitecture was a complete failure, then their follow on K10 microarchitecture was rushed to market in the next year with a severe bug that cost it 25% of its performance (broken TLB) and was otherwise underwhelming. The next year they were forced to spin off their fab lines to GlobalFoundries, which is very very bad for highest performance CPU design, there needs to be intimate communications between both parts to get the max performance. And I just noticed GlobalFoundries is licencing nodes from Samsung....

Intel came to their senses, effectively abandoned Itanium and licenced the "AMD64" instruction set, returned to the Pentium Pro microarchitecture approach with the Core line, and did their own "QuickPath Interconnect" ccNUMA. Since Intel still had their own fab lines, which were as usual 1-2 generations ahead, there was no recovering for AMD until Intel screwed up their "10nm" node. Even then, until AMD moves to TSMC's roughly equivalent "7nm" node Intel will with their "14nm" node be even, or more likely ahead except for not having enough capacity.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 18, 2019 4:54 PM  

Nate73 wrote:One thing I'm still trying to figure out is all the Jewish nobel prizes and awards related to physics and if those are genuine or not.

What percent of the Nobel committees are Jewish? Answer that and I think you'll have an answer to your question.

Blogger jakegyllen April 18, 2019 5:15 PM  

Pentium (what made intel the powerhouse it is today) was designed by...an H1B Indian.

From the Indian Aryan tribe "Saini"

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 5:17 PM  

@76 FP:

"Anyway, according to Semi-Accurate, most of Intel's 10nm modem stuff was nothing but power point slides. Apple got stupid with Qualcomm and is now paying the price."

According to SemiAccurate, Intel's 10nm process is very real, just an all too real failure. Single digit yields, and those chips have at least one major block that doesn't work, or maybe the GPU never works. SemiAccurate believes it will never be economical, except for debugging things for their 7nm node, equivalent to others' 5nm.

That will require more mastery of EUV lithography than anyone else has yet achieved. Which will be quite a trick, and well beyond political Pajeets. Low luminosity (and how do they keep that tin plasma from contaminating everything?), those photons are energetic and do ugly things to masks and wafers, and Intel has to make it this economical. If their 10nm process was economic they'd have a lot more time to work this out along with the rest of the industry, but AMD+TSMC are not going to show them any mercy.

Or maybe this will give high end ARM architectures or RISC-V a chance in the sun if it drags on for years and years, given its history going back decades AMD is not a long term credible threat to Intel. And that was before AMD also deeply drank diversity. If I was going to make a long term bet, factoring in the continued decline and fall of the US, that's what I'd wager, unless Intel is forced to licence its x86 technology, and AMD can be convinced to do the same for its share of the patents etc.

Those PowerPoint slides SemiAccurate castigates are just Intel trying to hide the reality that it has catastrophically screwed up what had been their core competence.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 18, 2019 5:24 PM  

jakegyllen wrote:Pentium (what made intel the powerhouse it is today) was designed by...an H1B Indian.
Pentium was designed by a team of over 200 engineers. Almost all of whom, it being 1992, were White Americans.

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 5:45 PM  

@82 Snidely Whiplash, and the Pentium only lives on in low end Intel parts that don't make Intel much profit, some have been sold at a loss to try to get Intel into new markets or retain what fraction they have. Intel's story for them is very bad if x86 compatibility is not required to run Windows, they're not fast and with their chipsets they consume a lot of power. For that matter, I think AMD is competitive in this market.

As a high end microarchitecture its in-order superscalar approach had by far the shortest tenure at Intel, being supplanted in only two and half year by the out-of-order speculative Pentium Pro. Even Netburst lasted longer thanks to Intel cranking out a new process node every 2 years back then, although they hit the speed-heat Dennard scaling failure brick wall in 4 years, and gave up 2 years after that.

Blogger InformationMerchant April 18, 2019 6:29 PM  

Intel did this to themselves. As soon as the 1st gen Ryzen came out, the writing was on the wall.

2nd gen Ryzen was already the better choice for most people. 3rd gen is going to be everywhere soon and will crush Intel in the high end gaming space and for workstations.

Intel is going to have a massive dip in which their best hope will be boomers buying Intel because they know the name but not the specs.

That said, the GPU market could use similar disruption.

Blogger Karhu April 18, 2019 6:31 PM  

One other detail to keep in mind as you compare old microarchitectures to current ones is how much is now dedicated to cache. The 486 was the first to incorporate it on die, starting at 8KB Write Through and getting to 16 KB Write Back (synchronous wait for it to finish vs. asynchronous get on with your computing). The Pentium doubled that and split them into instruction and data caches. Pentium Pro kept those per core and added a much larger level 2 cache (L2). Netburst and Core added even larger L3 caches shared with all cores.

If you look at modern Intel dies, not counting the memory and system controller or optional GPU, a solid 1/3 of the CPU part of the die is dedicated to the L3 caches. The name of the game today is to run as much as you can in cache, space optimizations almost completely overwhelm time optimizations. And that benefits whomever can economically get the most transistors on a die, how many transistors you devote to any single core, especially subtracting their L1 and L2 caches, is much less important. And gets in the way of making the whole thing faster.

Intel was so messed up in the Netburst days that AMD could surpass them with process nodes 1-2 generations behind, and smaller, only 2 level cache hierarchies.

And it appears now the trick is for Pajeets to get literally billions of transistors on one die to all work, which even for the smallest 2 core, 4 MB L3, write off the GPU 2.2 GHz part they're in theory selling is not economic. Catastrophic.

Blogger PG April 18, 2019 7:32 PM  

I agree re stagnation and regression. I noticed, when I started looking, that in my country we out source many manufactured products and fresh produce, simply because it's a lot cheaper. I've also noted that the skills associated with creating those things are almost lost here. Almost.

Blogger Cluebat April 18, 2019 8:20 PM  

I hope 5G loses money, and the big investors take a bath.
Orbital ISP will be much more liberating. A smart person in China will be able to get the cheapest local ISP to build their national social profile with, and still be able to access unfiltered Western data. At least until Facebook et al. oblige them.

Blogger Blacksmith Zeke April 18, 2019 9:41 PM  

jakegyllen wrote:Pentium (what made intel the powerhouse it is today) was designed by...an H1B Indian.

And the black hole photo was taken due to an algorithm developed by a 29 year old female scientist. Yahoo said so.

Blogger One Deplorable DT April 18, 2019 10:28 PM  

@85 - If you look at modern Intel dies, not counting the memory and system controller or optional GPU, a solid 1/3 of the CPU part of the die is dedicated to the L3 caches. The name of the game today is to run as much as you can in cache, space optimizations almost completely overwhelm time optimizations.

All so that Pajeet coders can create "desktop" applications that embed a Chrome browser and JS engine, fill a few GBs of RAM, then burn 10-20% of a core just to blink a cursor.

It is mind boggling to me how slow, bloated, and wasteful modern software has become on hardware I couldn't even dream of when I learned to program. This is occurring across the spectrum: Windows, macOS, office apps, imaging apps, web sites. About the only things immune are high end video games and some performance sensitive open source projects.

Don't even get me started on security. They have to go back. Every last one of them.

Blogger Babydoc April 18, 2019 11:09 PM  

It is happening in medicine as well. I was just informed today that it didn't matter that my medical decision on a particular issue was correct, because "the reality is the perception of the nursing staff" who were upset because I made them feel stupid by showing them the correct answer.

Blogger kurt9 April 18, 2019 11:48 PM  

I've not been in the industry since the last decade. Can anyone in here tell me what the situation with regards to these matters is at the tool makers (OEM's) such as AMAT and Lam/Novellus? The tool makers, not the fabs themselves, are key to the future of this industry.

Blogger kurt9 April 18, 2019 11:51 PM  

If the tool makers are becoming as screwed up as Intel and Globalfoundries, perhaps Hamada-san and myself may have opportunity to do another tool (equipment) start-up.

Blogger BigFan April 19, 2019 1:42 AM  

AMD does not dominate the Server market. They have something around most 3% of the market and most of it thanks to Epyc/Threadripper which are quite new.
https://wccftech.com/amd-epyc-server-cpu-7nm-market-share-2020-report/

Blogger Karhu April 19, 2019 7:34 AM  

@91 kurt9:

"The tool makers, not the fabs themselves, are key to the future of this industry."

All these fab companies buy the same tools, like EUV lithography from ASML in the Netherlands. And the tools achieve the desired results in the hands of Chinese at TSMC or Koreans at Samsung. In the hands of an incompetent except in internal politics Pajeet at Intel in the US, they don't, "you can't fool Mother Nature."

Blogger Daniel April 19, 2019 9:13 AM  

Software development is truly like that. 4 top dudes can outperform 100 idiots

Blogger Daniel April 19, 2019 9:29 AM  

I have been noticing a trend of argentinian it guys being hired to work at home mostly developers. Perhaps getting tired of indians?

Blogger Jon Jackson April 19, 2019 9:41 AM  

It reminds me of the story in "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" where he went to Brazil to teach only to find out that the physics students were memorizing stuff from a book to pass a test and not doing any actual lab work or experiments. They were graduating Physicists who couldn't actually do physics, or anything else.

Blogger Daniel April 19, 2019 9:59 AM  

Apparently, you will never pick the cotton yourselves

Blogger Daniel April 19, 2019 10:36 AM  

20+ years of sd here. 100% agree

Blogger tuberman April 19, 2019 11:06 AM  

77. Ominous Cowherd

A +3SD or better Black would most likely get placed in Religious Schools, and given free tuition. You still run into these. usually guys. They're rare, but exist.

Blogger kurt9 April 20, 2019 10:20 AM  

Karhu, what I meant was; are the tool makers (both of which are American companies) being infested with this madness like Intel? If they are, it might be time for another equipment start up.

I know that AMAT does a lot of their manufacturing in Taiwan and China. They also have an alliance with TEL (in Japan). Lam/Novellus does a lot of it here in Tualatin (Portland Area). All of the flat panel display OEM's (Anelva, Ulvac, Screen) are Japanese companies as well as one European company (head quartered in Lichtenstein).

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