If Q is a LARP
What is the reason for the concerted mainstream media + social media + Big Tech campaign against Q? Think logically!
If we are merely a LARP asking questions on the Chans, why are we being attacked daily by some of the world's biggest media co's, social media co's deliberately applying censorship/banning, shills paid/inserted to disrupt (media matters), blue checkmark coordinated attacks, etc.?Notice that Q is now openly presenting as a team, which I told you was the case quite early on based on the different writing styles.
All for a 'conspiracy' on the Chans?
All for a 'LARP'?
Why is there a constant flow of disinformation being pushed re: Q?
Example:
Disinformation push re: Mueller is a white hat.
FAKE & FALSE narrative.
Think BLOCKADE.
When you can't attack the information directly, you attack the source, if that fails, you 'create false misleading information' to discredit knowing 'select' 'unaware' followers would not take the time to self-corroborate the claims (same vehicle/tactics used by FAKE NEWS media).
Logical thinking always wins.
Nothing can stop what is coming.
As the target(s) turn to the other side, the attacks will intensify.
We have the source.
Q
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Maybe MSM doesn't want anything that gives positive morale to the opposition?
How anyone who has bothered to look into it can’t tell that Q is a massive psyops (for good mostly as far as I can tell) is beyond me.
It's Posobiec. He calls Q a hoax all the time, but it's ALL the time.
It's remarkable how much the young right hates Q. But I believe the reasons are disjoint with the mainstream attacks. They simply can't stand the Boomer taint. To cool for Q. Of course, when you see Boomers on twitter saying ridiculous things like Mike Pence is Q, you can kinda sympathize.
Maybe MSN doesn't want that, but that is not typically how the MSM attacks actual LARPs, like Richard Spencer. It is strange for the MSM to minimize and disinfo a LARP, when it is much easier and useful to instead inflate the LARP and use it to damn the actual threats.
Yordan Yordanov wrote:Maybe MSM doesn't want anything that gives positive morale to the opposition?
There is something to what you say. They did, after all, declare a cartoon frog depiction as a hate symbol going so far as to get the original 'creator' to kill him off in a MSM sanctioned comic. On the other hand that hate symbol business was a simple fire and forget, spend some lip service saying they're evil and moving on with the newest headline.
The Anti-Q stuff has had serious money and pagetime dedicated, non-stop, for a long time. Even including paid false flag reveals. If the primary mascot of the dissidents only merited a token attempt at dismissal, why does this 'random larper' Q deserve so many hit pieces? Vox has shown us the consistent behavior pattern that these people project, because they are incredibly solipsistic. That means they only see the world from their POV and what they find important. Out of every crazy thing said by our guys they pick out Q. Also note that they keep picking out the idea of PizzaGate to ridicule, out of all the spirit cooking, bohemian gardening, organ stealing, adrenocrome harvesting rumors. They chose Pizzagate as the hill to die on, as they chose Q to be the hill they die on. It has 'triggered' them.
Similarly why doesn't the 'Miga' (make Israel great again) slur only occur on a single messageboard, despite its impact on morale being incredibly negative? Surely if they attacked positive morale sources they would boost negative ones, such as 'grab the pussy'. The answer, again, is completely based on the solipsistic interests of TPTB. They don't want the public to slur Israel in general.
Yordan Yordanov wrote:Maybe MSM doesn't want anything that gives positive morale to the opposition?
Why does Ben Shapiro get a platform then?
I know he's not a cuckservative and all, but he does have a positive morale impact on his fans.
> Maybe MSM doesn't want anything that gives positive morale to the opposition?
More likely that it is causing the anons to ask questions the MSM doesn't want answered.
And the anons have shown a disquieting (for the media) ability to follow the leads. Sure they may come up with three false conclusions for every correct one, but the media knows those one in four could easily be followed up on by an administration with nothing to lose by doing so.
Maybe if msm had pretended, say halfway, to be our buddies, and supporters, while dealing out the poison piecemeal rather than all at once. That would have required a Q like intelligence which isn't noticeable in the msm ranks. That, and a master's knowledge of the ways of Sun Tzu. That, too, is missing in Q's enemies.
The best whores (ie the female human sex workers) can also be the best therapists, doncha know.
Wake me up when Q is anything other than telling us to passively wait for someone to save us. Cui bono?
Interesting how they attribute things to Q that have no direct connection to any thing they've ever posted like this. The petition was started by Steven D Kelley who runs the Q-anon group on Facebook but doesn't claim to have any direct connection to Q. In the Mother Jones article they are careful never to mention him by name. Internal evidence he sites in Q posts lead him to believe that it's an NSA op regurgitating information and theories that have already been published by various alternative media content creators. Even if that were true it would be a bit more complex than a simple LARP putting out stuff they make up themselves.
What evidence is there that the "big media" have any idea whether Q is a larp, or not? They know it has attracted a large following and subverts their control of the narrative. Reason enough.
No need to fall into the binary thinking trap. Even given that the MSM Narrative is a lie, it doesn't automatically render everything that contradicts it, true. And the MSM doesn't only fight the Truth when it contradicts their Narrative, it also fights Lies that contradict it, if they are powerful and pervasive enough.
To me, the reason I refuse to take Q seriously is the obscure and oblique nature of it's comments. It seems to resemble astrology in that the pronouncements are vague enough to allow for numerous interpretations, and allow the "predictions" to be applied to differing results.
swiftfoxmark2 wrote:Yordan Yordanov wrote:Why does Ben Shapiro get a platform then?
I know he's not a cuckservative and all, but he does have a positive morale impact on his fans.
Exactly. He gives positive morale to his fans, who then have the delusional belief that they're actually winning or making progress against the Left.
Alternate interpretation: Q has used the phrase "we" quite often, and not always simply referring to the "Q team," but in things like "WWG1WGA."
This isn't necessarily confirmation of a team. It could also be a reference to "we, the people" or "we" as in the patriots and anons of the Q movement.
That said, thinking logically, it seems extremely far-fetched to suppose that Q is acting alone. One man would not have the resources or insider knowledge necessary to keep the movement afloat. Of course, that is what shills will point to and say "oh come on, you REALLY think there's some group of patriots in the government fighting the Deep State? There's no way they could all keep that secret," but bigger secrets have been kept by larger groups of people for far longer. Say, the Holocaust truth, or the truth about the JFK shooting.
My vote is on a "team" Q, for what that's worth, and yes, I DO believe there is a group of patriots working together in the utmost secrecy to erode and eventually demolish the Deep State.
Conspiracy theory is a phrase used to discredit an idea when it may in fact be completely true. It happens to work for Q, if any one on the Q team betrays the team, everyone else on it can call them a conspiracy theorist and destroy any believability they have.
God has an amusing way of using the enemy's own weapons against him.
I hung on through all 600+ CBTS threads on 4chan in late 2017, before Q got driven off the site. Didn't get much sleep for a while there. The shilling was massive, filling 300-comment posts in less than 5 minutes sometimes. It got surreal when shill bots started cutting and pasting our own comments and replies as their own, so I would see my own comments and conversations coming back days later under other flags. There was no question that someone *thought* Q was legit and were doing their best to keep us from communicating about it.
I stopped following closely after that, because there just wasn't time to keep up, and there was no way to tell whether the Q at 8ch and other places was the same one. The style has changed considerably since the beginning, which could mean it was passed along to different operators or taken over by a different side. Also, it's obvious that even if it is being run by the good guys, they're bound to use it to spread false info, so making predictions based on specific claims is a fool's game. It's done a lot to spread the idea that the media and government institutions can't be trusted and can be exposed, and that's a good thing.
"Wake me up when Q is anything other than telling us to passively wait for someone to save us. Cui bono?"
What active steps would you personally be taking, and expecting others to take, to save us if Q were not around claiming that they were going to save us? Would there be any difference?
The system also cracks down on cartoon frogs, "learn to code" tweets, black-and-grey MSPaint faces, "OK" signs, fat-shamers and anyone who is insufficiently enthusiastic about the Current Year.
I'm not seeing a lot of disproportionate attention from the legacy and social media overlords toward Q, that isn't already being directed toward anyone nominally on the right. And the complaint of "why would they suppress me unless they know I'm right!" is... pretty gamma.
@5 " MSM attacks actual LARPs, like Richard Spencer"
Spencer isn't a LARP -- he's a jerk for sure, but he's not 'playing' at this; he actually believes it -- or has been bought for it; but he's really NOT playing (at his stupid ideas...). I have a friend who was deeply involved early on, and then learned what a jerk Spencer is and got out...
IrishFarmer wrote:Wake me up when Q is anything other than telling us to passively wait for someone to save us. Cui bono?
The enemy of our enemy is not our friend, but it can still do us a world of good.
If this is all a fight between swamp critter factions, it doesn't follow that we don't care who wins. Nationalist swamp critters would be a big improvement over Globalist swamp critters.
Anonymous White Male wrote:... the reason I refuse to take Q seriously is the obscure and oblique nature of it's comments.
Psyops, all the way. That doesn't mean it's bad for us. They are using us, but not necessarily intending to destroy us.
Read Q not for direct information, but to learn what the enemy of our enemies wants us thinking about. Think about how it benefits the enemy of our enemies for you to think what they point you at.
Definitely not a LARP. There does appear to be a substantial degree of real. And quite a bit of potential.
Separately, a possible answer to the question of media attention though may be a combination of voice and message. Of Gammas when faced with something popularized which contradicts them. And as the Gamas begin muttering amongst themselves, an echo chamber of opposition to Q. Combined with the frustration at the current inability to shut down the chans. These are the sort of people that have a conniption fit over the use of “man” or “mankind.” Their response does not have to be based on logic, and odds are, is not, it is simply behaviorally predictable. Which is a fault in the variable of logical construction that places their response as an indicator of realness. At that point, it is a transitional rationalization between sets of logic, whether the rationalization is correct in presumption or not.
@6
Having Q is like having a prophet. Also they did unload everything they had at the frog, going as far as fabricating a fake Sad Frog (I am not calling him Pepe). It's just that they are not all powerful and always successful.
@7
Ben Shapiro is the guy to first retreat and first to stab conservatives in the back. His fans either grow out of him, or become the sort of conservatives that are EXACTLY the type of conservatives progressives want. His real, hardcore fans are enemies of nationalism.
@8
True, Q does provide a good mask for any would-be leaker. After what happened to Snowden, Witness K and Assange I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to whistleblow in a way his identity can be verified.
I'm not saying that I know what is going with Q, I'm just throwing a possibility of why MSM would attack him/her/they/zer. It could be just a mask for any would-be-leaker, it could just be a fantasy that increases morale...I don't think it needs to be a superspy or an organized anarchist cabal for the MSM to attack them.
As Vox has written several times, albeit I'm paraphrasing:
At the very least, Q is a morale booster.
As the days and months tick past, we need boosted morale more than ever! There is 'just enough' 'Q-proof' to hang onto the hope it's real. There is the really ... confusing? ... thing of the MSM NEVER EVER EVER asking Trump or Saunders or Conway or Pence or anyone in the know: "who/what is Q?"
Trump could disassemble Q with a single sentence. Yet, he, too, apparently plays along with Q's various snippets of proof. If there were not some validity to Q, where would he get pix ON AF1, or in the Oval Office or in the air over ____ country AS AF1 is flying in? Why would Trump be, not merely allowing, but participating in 'apparent' recognizations of Q followers at his rallies?
Between Vox educating and Q buoying -- I am able to NOT slide into: "it's all over but the burning, so we might as well give up." My neighbors -- my tribe -- are semi-receptive if a bit baffled by the stuff I am providing them to read. Normies, seeing the seamy underbelly for the first time. This, I can do!
So far, I haven't seen any real hard evidence.
It actually shows all the signs of a scam, like a horoscope or those people with a magic glass ball.
As much as I'd like it to be real, I think it's fake. Just take some hours and look through the QProofs website and you'll see nothing actually proves that QAnon is real.
Where would #MAGA be without Q?
Answer that and you have a good idea who created and maintains the Q psyop.
Anonymous White Male wrote:To me, the reason I refuse to take Q seriously is the obscure and oblique nature of it's comments. It seems to resemble astrology in that the pronouncements are vague enough to allow for numerous interpretations, and allow the "predictions" to be applied to differing results.
You obviously haven't read much of NeonRevolt's site, especially his Q primer. Contrary to your statement many things are absolutely specific and have proven to be true. About the only thing that hasn't come to pass is the mass arrests, which is probably turning out to be a lot harder than anticipated. However the verifiable listing of sealed indictments continues to rise to stratospheric levels. Something is building because those are real and verifiable.
My job is to explain it to friends and family. They ask, and I start in on Jeffrey Epstein, whose case is very public and where he obviously got off with a slap on the wrist for all the other people he could implicate. Undeniable, public information. Then take it where it leads.
Who else flew on the Lolita Express? Who was the Obama Administration protecting? How MANY? There were a lot of flights. The investigation covered a year or more.
Then you hit then with this: Donald Trump flew on the Lolita Express once, didn't go to the island. But right after that he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of the Mar-A-Lago golf club and told him to never darken his doorstep again.
What do you think happened on that flight? What do you think Trump was offered?
#5 (D) Brought up a point. “They” (media, elites) could simply have presented Q as a real attempt, real communications, to conspire for mass arrest and an overthrow of “their” system. #6 (B) also hits a point, about triggering, but it seems to be against what they seem to perceive as easy targets. Notice, Pizzagate, not pedophilia (the actual subjectmatter), Q, not their own conspiracy (the actual subjectmatter). They provide an Overton Window on the investigation, rather than the substance of their activities being investigated or presented. They pick items (situations) they think they can discredit among a larger audience, rather than the actual items they (or who they support) can get nailed for. Which is probably the answer to #25 (A), taking into account the number of times they have ask Trump repeatedly to disavow something as the first time which he has disavowed many times, meaning the actual answer is of little concern to them.
Peter wrote:As much as I'd like it to be real, I think it's fake. Just take some hours and look through the QProofs website and you'll see nothing actually proves that QAnon is real.
Q claims to be a Trump administration insider. Trump allows and indirectly encourages us to believe that. That tells us that Q is real. It doesn't tell us what Q is really doing.
Q is obviously doing stuff that advances Trump's agenda. Imperfect though it is, Trump's agenda is mostly good for us.
How would Q look any different if Trump had planned a counter-strike all along against the Russiagaters, and he had Q set up to prevent demoralization among supporters during the two-year witch-hunt.
Q doesn't have to be entirely truthful to be legit. It could've just been a positive psy-op.
I've never been a Q believer. But I do think Trump planned a counter-attack all along, as it is his M.O. And I find the Podestas' behavior in the past two years suspicious. As though they know they are in trouble.
I haven't seen anything that makes me believe 100% that Q is legitimate but I'd believe that parts of their information are correct. The biggest strike against them for me was the whole "800 million sealed indictments" game that both Q and some significantly less believable idiots on the left played (the left was claiming sealed indictments were AGAINST the Trump administration while Q was saying that ANY DAY NOW Sessions was going to unleash the apocalypse via thousands of sealed indictments).
That being said there is a pretty simple reasons for the media to attack Q even if Q is a LARP:
1) Q is a morale booster for many on the right
2) The media often attacks things without any real solid logic - mostly just because those things are culturally "of the right" or "conservative" or even just not controlled by the left (Pepe, LEARN TO CODE, videogames, Pewdiepie, etc)
3) they may actually believe that Q is true without actually knowing
So the whole line of "they wouldn't attack me unless my info was TRUE!" is not only nonsense, it's obvious nonsense. Maybe Q is legitimate - I don't think so. If Q wanted to validate themselves they wouldn't be jumping through rhetorical hoops about what his critics are doing to prove it - Q would just post something that corroborates at least some of his core claims.
Q doesn't have to be entirely truthful to be legit
By "legit" I mean legitimately connected to the Trump administration.
Also I think there is a pretty high probability that even if Q is mostly nonsense - that other people who ARE legitimate leakers have used the moniker as cover and posted legitimate information. It's entirely possible that Q is a total clusterf*** of LARP, disinfo, and actual good information.
My suspicions have been that Q is either: (a) Donald Trump, Jr., or (b) a team of military intel officers working inside the Whitehouse. This wording of using "we" in a way that implies more about "Q" than about "Q + followers" makes me now lean to my option (b).
> It actually shows all the signs of a scam,
Really? Where is Q asking for money? Real scams always seem to come down to money, eventually.
@26
The veracity of Q is proven in the subtle details.
Like calling McCain's death to the hour 30 days in advance -- much like Babe Ruth's "called" homerun, when he pointed to the leftfield bleachers before the pitch that he put right there.
Q's the real deal. Good for you, Vox, for not being shy about acknowledging that fact.
OT: Surprising successful use of ignorance as a defense, or proof that "NAZI!" and "HOLYCAUST!" are truly becoming history, the thing that many people really don't care about?
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/crystal-palace/story/3827109/premier-league-goalkeeper-didnt-know-what-nazi-salute-was-says-fa-panel
Q may be real or not but I have a plant to run, four beautiful children to raise, a house to fix up and brakes to put on my truck. I guess I'm "trusting the plan" by default, but my hours to fight the culture war are not spent navel-gazing on the chans dreaming about what Q-stradamus might mean by x, y, or z. I trust SDL because he speaks plainly and I know him. Q? Not so much.
Q is a stand alone complex: a copy without an original. Q, whatever it was, is now something more. The MSM attacked it initially because it was clearly their enemy. Now Q has grown into a memeplex that no one can fully control - including the person(s) posting.
Speaking of Q publicity: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ZkKzrPZpBLKv
There are other reasons for the full-court press against Q besides it's veracity. The New Unhappy Lords oppose "conspiracy theories" on principle . Or rather they oppose unsanctioned conspiracy theories. (They're allowed to spread their own.) Such things can interrupt or counteract their propaganda whether true or not.
Then there's the moral aspect. Fans of Q tend to be optimistic about Trump and swamp drainage. Maybe optimistic enough to show up election day.
Then there's the chance that if most of Q is fake some of it could be real, and they're pouring concrete over the neighborhood last you find the documents hidden in a floor safe in one of the houses.
Then there's simple scapegoating.
None which to say Q isn't for real. But there are reasons to suppress falsehoods.
PJW Gent wrote:Anonymous White Male wrote:To me, the reason I refuse to take Q seriously is the obscure and oblique nature of it's comments. It seems to resemble astrology in that the pronouncements are vague enough to allow for numerous interpretations, and allow the "predictions" to be applied to differing results.
You obviously haven't read much of NeonRevolt's site, especially his Q primer. Contrary to your statement many things are absolutely specific and have proven to be true. About the only thing that hasn't come to pass is the mass arrests, which is probably turning out to be a lot harder than anticipated. However the verifiable listing of sealed indictments continues to rise to stratospheric levels. Something is building because those are real and verifiable.
"Contrary to your statement many things are absolutely specific and have proven to be true."
And many more things aren't absolutely specific and have not proven to be true.
"About the only thing that hasn't come to pass is the mass arrests, which is probably turning out to be a lot harder than anticipated."
Let's not forget the "trust Sessions" posts. Another thing that makes me skeptical about Q is the fact that it could be traced, but is not. Top level computer people could find where it operates and even put names to it. Are you telling me that the FBI, which was in the can for Cankles, does not have the equipment and personnel to identify Q?
i'll believe Q is not a larp when Eric Holder is indicted.
@28 Gent
Yeah, if you're trying to follow Q, NeonRevolt's site on Gab is almost a daily stopover. I'm waiting for his new book concerning the Q phenomenon to come out so I can buy a copy; and, maybe one for my sister the liberal to burn.
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Would his dying in a tragic accident be sufficient for you?
Well, the people who seem to have the most firm opinions about Q are people who are not cradle Americans, and not military members, I would weight it more towards real. I would question Q if Sebastian Gorka, media person and immigrant, was claiming to be a part of it. The other media types all seem to be outed as questionable patriots.
What does count as "firm proof" for people not in America, and not interested? A perp-walk of the high and mighty and the media connected? I can tell you that any number of prime ministers and presidents, world-wide, have been arrested over the past two years, and not one of them makes it to the regular news. I've read Twitter-Q stuff, not Q itself: there's limited bandwidth, and I want someone who can decipher things looking, rather than me going off to a curiosity museum. Spouse reads regular news. I knew of the arrests; he did not. So, there's a perfect information experiment, right there. One house, two different information sources. Based on that alone- completely public figures of importance, completely public news with no icky backgrounds- simple top guys, and simple arrests- then very,very little that Q mentions will make the regular news.
After that: Q talks about the little people: the injured, the exploited. The news media cannot find these people already, anyway. Why would the media report on that now, anyway? Q talks about military operations. Outside of this blog, does anyone ever know what a military person does? I had friends who would talk, in minor, untraceable details after the facts, and I've never heard of what they did in any movie, report, or television show.
Q, tech. Any tech book I've read is nearly contradicted by any other close-by book- an oral history of Silicon Valley whitewashes any number of CIA links- links that pop up in Q, and vaguely in other biographies. Who is the "we" that keeps getting casually mentioned by, say Mr Anderson, former editor of Wired?
And the other half-dozen books about everything else I read for about six months- "we" and city planning, "we" and food policy, "we" and farm policy, "we" and the Vietnam War, "we" and pop music, "we" and movies, "we" and radio, "we" and strength training, "we" and theology, "we" and divorce in family policy. Who on earth is "WE"????? It's surely not me and anyone I know. So, who is "We" and why does "WE" get to overpower anyone and any history and any experience of anyone else in the world? I mean, most of these books have "We" got it wrong, so now "WE" need more power to get it right, and you should trust "WE" now more than ever, now that "We" have confessed that "We" already injured you. On everything- food, houses, roads, families, music, tech, architecture. That's really encompassing.
The notion that the Army of Angels is now engaged on our behalf against the Army of Darkness is silly.
Those who pull the strings have trolled us openly in recent years (particularly the "you are all batteries, we simply use the power you produce" Matrix foundation) but I think there's evidence they know that consent does matter (Discourses on Voluntary Servitude) but have realized they never had the means to manufacture it.
No people as fat and complacent as we has ever been "saved" by White Knights riding in on alabaster steeds to slay the dragons.
Sooner or later, the bill will arrive for these times and it won't be pretty.
All the people on the Right who keep insisting that Q isn't real just mean that Q isn't really what they want it to be.
The only way Q isn't controlled by Trump is if Trump is controlled by Q.
Neon Revolt is a woman. That book is nothing but a cash grab.
Q isn't real because Q has said nothing about Israel. It was for regime change in Iran.
Why is Q calling Mueller a white hat, when Q was the one promoting the idea Mueller was working for Trump all along?
With apologies to Jonathan Swift, just because the dunces are in a confederacy against you, doesn't prove you're a true genius; dunces are herd animals by nature.
Q isn't real because Q has said nothing about ...
Q isn't what you want does not mean Q isn't real.
Q is largely rhetoric, much of the criticism and doubt related to Q is expressed in dialectic.
Is there a positive or constructive way to help dialectic thinkers to better understand rhetoric?
Jeroth wrote:It's remarkable how much the young right hates Q.
There's a simple reason for this; they view Q as Pv 25:14: someone who boasts of gifts ("Happenings") that never come. Some of this could be termed impatience, but it has been years… or as IrishFarmer wrote:Wake me up when Q is anything other than telling us to passively wait for someone to save us. Cui bono?
Angantyr wrote:"Wake me up when Q is anything other than telling us to passively wait for someone to save us. Cui bono?"
What active steps would you personally be taking, and expecting others to take, to save us if Q were not around claiming that they were going to save us? Would there be any difference?
I ran for Senate in my state, I'm about to get back into shooting, and I have my eye on a crate of ammo and other supplies.
Ominous Cowherd wrote:The only way Q isn't controlled by Trump is if Trump is controlled by Q.
That is an interesting possibility. Combined with the "Q is 'grayhat'/Deep State" would explain Trump's reluctance to Drop the Hammer on the obvious Treason in the aid of the invasion on our southern borders: Deep State is dedicated to keeping itself in power, exposing and punishing such systemic Treason would cause things to spiral out of Deep State control.
"Wake me up when Q is anything other than telling us to passively wait for someone to save us. Cui bono?"
Trust Sessions, trust the plan, theres 10 million sealed indictments of Obama officials ready to be released...
No one can stop what is coming.
They certainly got that one right.
@6-PT The frog itself may have been fire and forget, but that was part of a larger campaign against what continues to be a boogeyman: the fearsome "alt-right."
Vox, it is very good to see the trend of your comments about Q. We will add your distinctive to our collective.
Q is obviously a psyop connected to the Trump White House, but for that very reason I am dubious about the intentions behind it. Q consistently appeals to lowest common denominator "patriots" who don't know the difference between MAGA and Neoconservatism. Muh Reagan speech!
@3 Steb I had that same thought. I also entertained the idea that Cernovich was part of it, because I remember him using that phrase "these people are sick" before Q. Not that that is much in the way of evidence, but the whole project fits with his MO. Trump's people definitely noticed the alt-lite during the election, and they might have tapped some people for work. Also, Q posted the sign of "Antifa" holding up a "No Mike Cernovich, No Pedo Bashing" sign, which was an obvious Cernovich stunt.
The problem is no longer to know whether Q is a LARP or not, it is to understand to what extent it is a reliable indicator that things are moving in the right direction, which is a bit hard to assess when anything not going as expected can be instantly dismissed as plausible deniability. Q and his team may not be as in control as they think they are, when we refer to key battlefields like border security, swamp draining or media coverage where progress seems to be difficult.
Unknown wrote:Q isn't real because Q has said nothing about Israel. It was for regime change in Iran.
Q said they are saving Israel for last.
Is Muller a white hat then?
Is DAG Rosenstein also qhite hat?
I am still on the fence re. Q anon.
We shall see.
"Trust the plan" is a military term regarding close quarters fighting, like in cities and towns.
I learned this in a Big Bear stream where he mentioned a Navy Seal friend.
Basically, you have to Trust the Plan because it is all you have. You can't start doubting or you are bound to screw up and/or get killed.
Be that as it may, Rand Paul of the Freedom Caucus (that Q has referenced) suggested that maybe Assange should be given immunity to testify in regard to the hacking of the DNC emails (and the subsequent snuffing of Seth Rich). People are playing their roles. Rand Paul introducing the idea is better than Trump or other GOP groups bcz the Freedom Causus appears to be independents.
Do you see how this works? Do you see?
I speak both. The Q format is more than rhetoric, though a portion is. Vague, is the term, though sufficiently patterned. A very light smattering of operant conditioning. Almost not. Mixed into substance.
Possibly a false positive, but:
"We have the source.
Q"
https://infogalactic.com/info/Q_source
Maybe if they stop doing this "OMG IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO" thing they've been doing for the last YEAR OR TWO.
Q has directed multiple times that we should remember that our enemies, too, are reading, poring over, researching and digging about every tidbit Q 'drops.' When you are behind enemy lines, warfare comms are necessarily cryptic and sometimes intentionally misleading! Sometimes intended to direct our 'troops,' sometimes meant to help those of us living in durance vile to HANG ON longer, and sometimes meant for the enemy to misunderstand.
The internet is full of information, mis-information, and DIS-information. We supporters are listening in to comms not always meant for us.
"What is the reason for the concerted mainstream media + social media + Big Tech campaign against Q?"
"What is the reason for the concerted Alt media + social media + Alt Tech campaign against CNN?"
You can throw in Fox News and others to the above if you want. Both Q and CNN are demented cheerleaders. As you've pointed out, cheerleaders are good for morale whether they tell the truth or not. Bill Mitchell's boomer following will be more than happy to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump. On the other hand, the chans,
the guy that made the "Can't Stump the Trump" videos, Microchip (until the latest attack on sanctuary cities, etc were lost to Trump and a few of them might stay home broken glass or not. If Antifa are out and it's raining, maybe a few Trump supporters don't feel like it. In 2016 those same people would've gone out into a riot trying to vote for him.
The Trump Russia insanity was far more retarded than the Q plan trusting, but the right was on the defensive for ages regarding that until about a year in, people stopped responding to silly accusations without any evidence, but the right still tried to attack the entire thing.
Your original analysis was correct, morale is helpful if Trump wants to get reelected. The complete passivity of Q true believers will help Trump get votes, but some of them act as if they were lobotomized. Questioning Trump on anything is verboten, people that do question Trump get attacked by Q with not even plausible reasoning, if Q could be sued, Q wouldn't be able to defame people and let an ad hominem somehow discredit and disqualify verifiable facts.
Coulter is the best example of this. The attack on her doesn't logically follow and even if Soros himself was paying her in baby blood; if she claims border crossings are high, backs the stats up with DHS and Trump admin quotes and is making a true point, she could be an angel or demon, her motivation doesn't alter reality and the truth is still the truth regardless of whether it comes from friend or enemy.
An example of the lobotomy effect I was talking about earlier is Assange. 1 year ago Cassandra Fairbanks was haplessly trying to convince people on her own twitter feed that Assange was still in the embassy. There were people convinced that Trump had already got him out and Assange was safe. Cassie had her own eye witness account as she had met him days ago, Assange's mother, Wikileaks, lawyers, etc. Q true believers wouldn't believe everyone telling them Assange was in the embassy because logically if Trump had secretly got Assange out of the embassy, they wouldn't tell anyone as that'd ruin the point of doing all this in secret. They were trusting the plan.
It continues for a year, Assange is finally hauled out of the embassy proving Q wrong, the true believers have not spent the year helping because they were convinced that Trump had already saved Assange.
At some point your argument that there is misinformation, disinformation and true information all being put out by Q has to mean Q followers have to not trust everything Q says blindly and have to act as if Trump isn't doing all this wonderful work in the background, under the surface, where it can't be seen. Q becomes as reliable as Fox news at that point. Some stuff is true, some stuff is false, no way to know, flip a coin.
The true believers are reacting the same way people react to cold reading. I can provide examples of cold reading; 75% of the statements will be correct, 25% will be way off and there will be people that completely throw out the 25% wrong stuff and think I completely nailed it because they focus on the 75% that was right, especially if the long shots hit.
The true believers that refuse to believe stuff can be disinformation are faced with the reality that at this point it has been years; Q hasn't been vague about everything and Q has been wrong on a bunch of things.
Not everyone that calls Q a larp does it for the same reason. Scott Adams claims that he did it for optics, he provides explanations for Trump's behavior that could have come from Q. I think he did echo Q's point about Assange's arrest, but I didn't read either, I just read others pointing that out.
Some people do this because they don't like Trump supporters acting like sheep. Instructions to question everything about Trump's enemies doesn't mean people question Trump.
You can play out the situation really easily. If Q believers are right, Trump get midterm votes, 2020 votes and 2022 midterm votes. Cheerleading is effective. This is how Trump gets the most votes and least criticism from his side. If Trump sticks to his campaign promises even though he AB tests often and Q will mess up AB testing, awesome. Everyone wins.
If the "Q is a larp" side that aren't the optics guy are right, Trump can completely abandon many of his campaign promises and there will be no pushback from the MAGA people. Immigration failure will be ignored, giving up to the deep state in cases like troops remaining in the middle east, Assange, etc will be ignored. Releasing criminals and banning bump stocks will be ignored. Israel first replacing America first will be ignored. People will blindly trust him for 8 years waiting for a storm that never comes. Trump has those votes at that point, he can get to the end of his 8 year term without knowing how many people were voting in 2018/20/22 because they believed in the storm. There's no way to push back in 2024, it'll be too late.
Now, it's worth pointing out that the above group that isn't the MAGA optics side is extremely hostile to Trump right now. They are the Coulter over Trump people, the Yang Gang people, they made up some of what was the Alt White and Alt Retards, many are hard right. These guys will provide pushback, but some are really pissed. The legal immigration push is not going over well, the broken promises, signing stupid things, etc isn't going over well. Javanka is more hated by these guys than by the left. Kushner himself is vying with Soros for temporary public enemy number 1 status. I'm fairly confident that given the choice to freeze one of them and all their bank accounts until 2025, these guys would freeze Kushner.
So there's a flip side for you. Two extremes, blind faith which gives Trump a free ride no matter what bad decision he makes and a group that might not even vote for him in 2020.
As I said originally, your analysis is correct. Morale is important, cheerleaders are important. If the left destroys Q and creates more people that'll vote for giant meteor 2020, they get the votes they want.
Alternatively, if the right broke the Russian hacked the election conditioning in 2018, they'd have had easier midterms.
The demented cheerleaders march on.
@68- 'Course, we're not enlisted men. We're not in combat (yet). Certainly not in a Charge of the Light Brigade situation. We like to reason why, even if we're bad at it.
The Plan, if there is one, doesn't necessarily need to be trusted. We could possibly replace the ones now running it with Men of the Moment in some future moment.
When Q releases something noteworthy that proves his worth I'll pay attention. Until then he's like every other anon on /pol/... a fag, mossad, or a mossad fag.
Among other things, the Q narrative holds that we are being divided in order to keep us conquered, and that the Melting Pot is still our best bet.
The older I get, the more certain I become that disparate peoples should NEVER attempt to live under the same "roof" (political system.) For Heaven's Sake, did no one learn anything from the Stanford Prison Experiment? Put on a different uniform (clothes, not skin) and occupy a different niche in the system, and ALWAYS will enmity form.
This universalist cult that holds that Heaven On Earth will emerge when disparate peoples all live under ONE SYSTEM OF RULES is the craziest, stupidest notion EVER, entirely in opposition to everything we know to be true about human beings.
Only Satan could invert reality this perfectly and sell it to idiots.
That this is part of the Q Narrative is very informative.
@71. InformationMerchant
Cold reading. That's it. That is the term I could not remember and that when reading Q posts, to me, reads like.
Dear Sweet Q,
Enlighten the peasantry.
Christchurch. Quite the incident. TOYOTA WILL VS (silver), tinted Windows, FQH875. VIP parking (mosque entrance). Easy exit. Big, bad, nasty man about to re-enter building as car in motion (blocking entrance he wants to re-enter). Big, bad nasty, man is blind and deaf to car. The bad man decides to take stroll and fire randomly at wind in parking lot while car leaves (knocking over road cone). The bad man doesn't acknowledge car has vanished. Nor does media/Govt/police. Complete silence.
Why did solo bad man, after taking out /nearly/ everything that moved, go out of his way to allow that car to leave?
Hugs and kisses,
R
dc.sunsets wrote:Among other things, the Q narrative holds that we are being divided in order to keep us conquered,...
There is some truth to that.
dc.sunsets wrote:... and that the Melting Pot is still our best bet.
There is no truth to that.
I suspect it's boomer civnatism more than malice that prompts the second part.
It isn't just Trump's boomer civnatism that makes Q spout the civnat boomerisms. Q and Trump have to work with the population they have, not the population they want. They have to keep enough of the boomer civnats on board, and this bogosity is what it takes.
@70 (Wreckage) Perhaps, or not. The Q source is an original understanding, from which later understandings may have derived. In this case, The Plan as being something derived.
In the Foundation series, there was Hari Seldon, The Mule, and an underlying Gia complex driving things, and it relates to I Robot, the latter of which consisted of a machine force guiding humanity, the previous being a communicative force guiding humanity, and the first as a human force guiding humanity. Left out, as so many if this genre of future humanity that is a bit more than simply fiction (Bellamy (Edward and Francis), Huxley, Asimov, Bradley, Blavatsky), is an entirely separate God force guiding humanity. Orwell, Wells, and Bradbury were in opposition to a similar line. You have the impressions of a conditioning/predictive psychologist (nurture and nature), a variety of expanded Maven (coupled with a social credit score, in terms of assessment), and the influence of the spirit of Satan. While support/opposition may be given by these varieties of authors, they point to a general progression along a path of change and development. The Plan may be a hint at mitigation (or even skipping) of the negatives similarly to the Seldon Plan, as similar to the theory of Matthew and Luke as compilations, and Mark and Q being origins, borrowing from the theoretical concept of a Q document and applying it to the management of current system courses.
Slightly OT, but related to Q and Trust Sessions. Not the part about Trump saying he was f-ed by being faced with a typically crippling investigation Sessions bent him over sideways on by recusing. So, apparently in this state, the US, you are guilty unless proven beyond a reasonable doubt? I mean by logic, that is the reason for Mueller to state in the report some garbage along the lines of can not be conclusively sure Trump did not engage in a criminal activity. But with Sessions, you know why? Because Trump was supposed to be a placeholder, keep the restless natives born with an American flag tattooed in a place of prominence pacified by all lips and no action. And Sessions was supposed to facilitate that. But Trump double agented them, and wanted to do something for the nation and those within the country. Trump is real, Trump is not real, doesn’t matter. We have a chance to win this thing. I was against a parade when it was announced, but it is time for Trump to announce a military march right through DC on Veterans Day in celebration for everyone that fought to kick the crap out of all the people that tried to rule over us, have an effective force surrounding him at all times to haul and pike any acting ides of March while in Rome.
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