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Monday, April 08, 2019

Mailvox: What about MEEEEE?

Fortunately, I now have an answer for every "whataboutmeeist" who is in some sort of mixed-race marriage, interracial relationship, has mixed-race children, or has a half-Chinese step-brother married to a Filippino woman who has adopted Congolese orphans. Read this paper:
When competition between groups becomes violent the female of a mixed marriage and her offspring are often vulnerable to violence by not only the group from which her male partner is assigned but also to violent acts by members of the group with which she is identified. When the goal of an adversary is to eliminate manifestations of identity the role of the individual within a society, including children and other non-combatants, is of little consequence. Using the conflict in the former Yugoslavia and in Rwanda as a focus this essay takes a bio-social and cultural comparative approach in exploring the situational factors underlying genocidal behavior wherein the woman in a mixed conjugal union and her offspring are disproportionately vulnerable to violence. The possible co-evolvement of individual behaviors with group-level institutions is considered as worthy of more focused attention in an attempt to understand the intense vulnerability of some women and children in environments of lethal conflict.
Be sure to bookmark the URL, as no doubt it will prove useful for commenters here in answering the inevitable questions from the What About Me crowd in the future.

And to all of those who have wonderful [nationality] [family members] and wish to dispute the probable outcome of mass immigration and demographic change in their [political entity], I cordially invite you to take the matter up with Ralph Hartley at the Department of Anthropology, University of Nebraska in Lincoln, Nebraska.

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Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke April 08, 2019 11:19 AM  

It is the feminine nature that kills. SHE who must be obeyed.

Blogger Silent Draco April 08, 2019 11:22 AM  

The answer may be succinct and brutal: "You're next."

When thing grow scarce, your own group matters more. Others and mixed others are not part of your group.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2019 11:23 AM  

The springs are being wound up tight.

"She's gonna blow, Cap'n!"

Blogger widlast washere April 08, 2019 11:24 AM  

Seems to be a fairly rational conclusion. When the SHTF, mutts, mulattos, and half breeds tend to get the worst of it, since they can't fully identify with anyone.

Blogger One Deplorable DT April 08, 2019 11:25 AM  

The WhatAboutMeCrowd has to understand that if the SHTF their SpecialExceptions will not matter. Events will unfold quickly and without any consideration to how much you love your minority relative or how much your minority friend loves the Constitution.

You might as well scream at an approaching 20 foot wave that it should not knock you down because you love the ocean.

If you care about your SpecialException, then you should be fighting tooth and nail to put a halt to all immigration into the U.S. while there's still a chance of avoiding a worst case scenario.

Blogger Borsabil April 08, 2019 11:33 AM  

A massive civil conflict is inevitable in much of the west. The more pozzed and multi racial the worse it will be. The United States, Canada and Australia will be particularly bad. Will high IQ East Asians and Jews be treated differently than lower IQ groups? Will white passing Hispanics and mystery meat hybrids be accepted by European ethnics? I've no idea, I guess it will depend on a lot of factors we can only guess at. What we can learn from history is that during war how you speak, what God you pray to and what skin you wear are all that matters when being accepted by a group and offered protection.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2019 11:36 AM  

This is why it's so important to close the border early, before it comes to genocide.

Blogger Bryce Pattillo April 08, 2019 11:43 AM  

Would you suggest moving out of the country if we can speak a foreign language?

Blogger Jack Amok April 08, 2019 11:50 AM  

If you have a family situation with compromised national identities, you should be the biggest fan of the wall, restricted immigration, and repatriation - especially for whatever nationality you are compromised with. If your [nationality] [family members] are the only [nationality] around, odds are no one will object too badly so long as they haven't been troublemakers and aren't out protesting efforts to get rid of [other nationality] troublemakers.

Blogger The Cooler April 08, 2019 11:50 AM  

I share 84 percent of my DNA with my Mastiff.

COME AT ME BRO.

Blogger Ora Tevzre April 08, 2019 11:51 AM  

There does not seem to be any mention of religious affiliation in the above. Racially, how different are Croats to Serbs but they have different religious affiliations (Catholic or Orthodox respectively).

It reminds me of an old joke.

A tourist is walking in a no man's land between Protestant and Catholic neighborhoods in Belfast when he is suddenly grabbed by a masked man who asks him: "Are you a Protestant or a Catholic?" The tourist answers: "I'm a Jew." And the masked man asks him: "Well, are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?"

Blogger yoghi.llama April 08, 2019 11:55 AM  

Paywall.

Blogger pyrrhus April 08, 2019 12:02 PM  

Based on my experiences, long ago, working in the black community, I think mixed race people will definitely have a problem if ethnic violence breaks out...Black women despise black men who marry out, and single black women sometimes take out their disappointment at being dumped by the father on the unfortunate child...

Blogger Original H April 08, 2019 12:05 PM  

Bryce Pattillo wrote:Would you suggest moving out of the country if we can speak a foreign language?

The answer is always the same: Live with your group. Live where people see you as one of them.

Get close with your neighbors and make sure you're liked by the larger community. Their opinion is the one that matters most.

Moving away from where you fit in will not fix anything. This is not a US-only problem. This from someone who has lived on 5 continents.

Blogger Dave Dave April 08, 2019 12:10 PM  

I fail to understand what is so difficult about accepting reality. A lot of people are mixed race. They will have a hard time fitting in. They will have split loyalties. Sometimes they have to pick a side and stay with it. The what about meers won't be able to run from reality forever.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 08, 2019 12:12 PM  

Given the PC culture from where this paper has come, I am going to go ahead and assume women who are in the vicinity of the other group, even if they are not married into the other group are going to be in more danger and there will be a lot more of them.

Can we really trust much of anything on such a subject as race-mixers coming from academia? Academics are going to be especially sympathetic to them.

As far as I'm concerned, they made their bed, let them lay in it.

This is already happening in the US, BTW. Anyone waiting for Rwanda are probably going to wait a long time, but the low-level day to day rape and murder across racial boundaries, usually with a white victim is already a reality. White women with black men and 1/2 white children at best are single mothers and are many times more likely to be abused or killed by their "diversity" male.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke April 08, 2019 12:13 PM  

The Cooler wrote:I share 84 percent of my DNA with my Mastiff.

COME AT ME BRO.


Uhmm, what's a female dog called again...

Blogger Unknown April 08, 2019 12:14 PM  

"Using the conflict in the former Yugoslavia and in Rwanda"

Err, in both cases the people were of the same race. Especially in the case of Yugoslavia, where they were racially indistinguishable.

The correct level of analysis here is identity - and race is only sometimes the most prominent form of identity.

For instance, a blond blue eyes Israeli obviously identifies with an Algerian Israeli - and both will fight against an Arab Algerian who is physically indistinguishable from his Israeli counterpart.

All countries are racially mixed and display a broad range of phenotypes. In Central Asia whites and Asians have been mixing and forging strong national identities for centuries.

And Civil Wars show members of the same race will divide along othe5 lines of identity.

So it's not that this analysis - it's just about identity not necessarily race. Sometimes they are the same thing, sometimes not.

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 08, 2019 12:17 PM  

"But that's not fair!!"

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 08, 2019 12:17 PM  

"But that's not fair!!"

Blogger urthshu April 08, 2019 12:19 PM  

I'd suspect the older ethnic white divisions to reassert themselves, at least in larger communities. The most guarded and disdainful of outsiders were often the Italians. It works for them.

Blogger Arthur Isaac April 08, 2019 12:20 PM  

I showed this to my wife this morning.

I also pointed out that we used to worry about how families don't live on farms anymore and lack the skills required to maintain the family through the next depression. Now it's clear that families won't even be the big chunks fed into this meat grinder. Imagine "Cinderella Man" without the man and Mrs. Braddock with 4 little mix and match sprogs. Now imagine it progressing to "Hotel Rwanda".

Diversity is our strength...

Blogger Jason April 08, 2019 12:21 PM  

Romeo and Juliet.....they both die.

Blogger The Cooler April 08, 2019 12:21 PM  

These people know the score. Why or how they expect VD to assuage them is the mystery. Masochists, I suppose.

Blogger Greg Hunt April 08, 2019 12:22 PM  

If I read this correctly, mudsharks won't be welcome back. Which is what they've been getting warned of.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 08, 2019 12:24 PM  

I've heard the old joke as:

A tourist is walking in a no man's land between Protestant and Catholic neighborhoods in Belfast when he is suddenly grabbed by a masked man who asks him: "Are you a Protestant or a Catholic?" The tourist answers: "I'm Jewish."
The masked man says, "Well, if I'm not the luckiest Arab in Belfast!"

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia April 08, 2019 12:24 PM  

Interesting article. Of all the sub-specialties of Anthropology, which is among the more unscientific humanist disciplines, cultural anthropologists of the modern are the most useful.

I skimmed over the artcle, but quickly read the discussion on Yugoslavia, where the Serbs were kmown to have raped and impregnated Bosnian females. If mixed race offspring are non-persons, why do this? The money quote:

97% of all non-state societies are characterized by unilineal descent with a societal preference for patrilineality where males control vital resources. The ultimate evolutionarily grounded goal is control over female reproduction. This attribute of social organization likely developed in generations of inter-group conflict long prior to the increased complexity of urban-industrial societies.

So when males come to rape and pillage, mating with the opposite race females is just fine for the rapists and pillageers. When inter racial marriage is part of a social "norm" that's when trouble ensues.

We like to think that we humans are civilized and above all that, but this behavior of killing the "other" men and impregnating their women has a long long history. See the recent article on tranformation of the Iberian penisula around 2000 BCE.

See Greg Cochran's discussion of the Science paper, here:

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2019/03/15/take-my-wife-please/

The Indo Europeans swept in, killed all the men, and mated with all women.

Oh, as a aside, these insights have been generated from the lab of that disruptive Ashkenazi Jew, David Reich.

Blogger Jeroth April 08, 2019 12:29 PM  

This doesn't apply to America. Because magic dirt, melting pots, magic poems, progress, and infinite prosperity until Jesus returns. All we have to do is keep "blessing" Israel and we should be good.

Blogger Jason April 08, 2019 12:34 PM  

Othello....how did that work out for the happy couple?

Blogger Noah B. April 08, 2019 12:37 PM  

Any future civil conflict in the US is going to be multi-faceted and one aspect of it will almost certainly be a mad scramble for limited resources. Anyone who doesn't fit into a group for any reason is going to be more isolated and vulnerable to gang violence. Cohesive groups are the key to survival in such times.

Blogger Zander Stander April 08, 2019 12:43 PM  

Oh see, can you say shibboleth? I can redo the whole anthem.

Blogger Zander Stander April 08, 2019 12:44 PM  

Alternatively: Aren't I the luckiest Arab in Ireland tonight?

Blogger Alexamenos April 08, 2019 12:48 PM  

@1 "It is the feminine nature that kills. SHE who must be obeyed."


The abstract's keywords: women; mixed marriage; genocidal behavior


It's as if one follows the other.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke April 08, 2019 12:57 PM  

Well there's that book "Fly Fishing" by J.R Hartley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2TilNclT8k

Blogger FrankUnderwood April 08, 2019 12:57 PM  

This is true. After WW2 the Norwegian women that slept with the Nazi soldiers were ostracized, beaten and had their hair forcefully cut off. Their children were sent to be raised in government institutions, where they got similarly abused. Some of the more rambunctious ones even got lobotomized. Without the moral framework of Christianity I don't think there will be similar restraint when shit hits the fan this time. I suspect any mixed people will just be killed on sight.

Blogger Desdichado April 08, 2019 1:12 PM  

yoghi.llama wrote:Paywall.
Scroll down.

Blogger cheddarman April 08, 2019 1:15 PM  

Don't gamma here. Your skin is you uniform in the upcoming conflict.

Blogger Azimus April 08, 2019 1:20 PM  

I suggest a link on the blog sidebar this simply entitled "What About Me?"

Blogger rycamor April 08, 2019 1:35 PM  

The irony is that a few mixed marriages are possible without major repercussions in a society where immigration is scarce. As the auther says: "What is often termed ‘intermarriage’in complex multi-ethnic societies is tolerated when the dominant factions consider such unions an exception and when such couplings do not signify a threat to demographic dominance."

The assumption by leftists and globalists was that increasing immigration would further break down such barriers, when in fact it is going to make the problem far worse.

Blogger Sheila4g April 08, 2019 1:39 PM  

As Vox and various readers have stated repeatedly, you are a member of the group that chooses to accept you, not the group you would prefer to claim. That's the problem with those who are phenotypically obviously mixed. Most hapa children look like what they are. Although the White parents (John Derbyshire as a well-known example) often claim they look White, to most European Whites they look more Asian, and to most Asians they look more White. Mulattoes are a more extreme example; for every Rashida Jones there is a Booker Jombe Parker. One can protest all one wants or wave around DNA results but ultimately the ONLY thing that matters is who accepts you as one of them. Whatever the basis - physiognomy, ideology, etc. - and from the paper Vox referenced, one who may be accepted/tolerated in a time of plenty or peace may well be utterly rejected when the inevitable crash comes. Stop fooling yourself that differences don't matter - they're a matter of life and death.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2019 1:44 PM  

Interesting article and I will have to read it all, but it sees things through a badly distorted lens:

Their focus on sanctioning marriage as one fundamental way ‘states gender citizenship’brings them to address the problematic status of mixed marriages in violent social environments. They argue the acceptance of ethnic or religiously mixed marriage reflects the social attitude toward women. The extent to which this tolerance offers security to the individual and her offspring is often tenuous.

It's gonna be hard to read as a result.

Blogger The Cooler April 08, 2019 1:50 PM  

I skimmed over the artcle, but quickly read the discussion on Yugoslavia, where the Serbs were kmown to have raped and impregnated Bosnian females. If mixed race offspring are non-persons, why do this?

Bosnians and Serbs are not of a different race. Further, reducing everything to race is both overly reductive and disingenuous.

The Indo Europeans swept in, killed all the men, and mated with all women.

And the resultant people were harmonious due to myriad factors of which race was but one. What we know for certain is that harmony of any kind is not the regular result of invasion of any kind.

Blogger Nate73 April 08, 2019 1:54 PM  

If women and children are subject to violence being among another group, it must be much worse for the male cucks living in a foreign group.

Blogger Elijah April 08, 2019 2:02 PM  

the diversity whites and the "good" vibrants will turn to us and scream save us!!!

and we will answer...NO

Blogger sammibandit April 08, 2019 2:11 PM  

My old prof went to Rwanda to identify remains of people for proper burial. He came back a totally changed man. The work he did in Serbia didn't affect him as much as the Rwandan work, but it still did. People who miscegnate think it affects no one. Even in this extreme example that is not true at all. It also effects the poor souls who clean it up.

Blogger RedJack April 08, 2019 2:34 PM  

I was raised to hate the Swedes.

We are Germanic. Never understood it till I read history. My family intermarried a few (next town over), and you have to pick a side.

Same religion, some area, same culture, but you have to pick a side.

Have a black cousin. Adopted by my great aunt. Married a white woman because he "had to pick a side" and he chose "redneck". He has said to me over the years he feels guilty for what he did to his kids. They have to also choose, and doing so in an area with a lot of other blacks is VERY hard. They don't want to be black. They would rather be like their Dad. They are not having a good time of it. The girl has chosen to "become black" since that is the "hot" thing in Chicago.

Her brother just moved back to the midwest, in an area where he is known family. He would rather be the odd one in our family, than the odd one in their social construct. He may marry, he may not, but he told me that when it all goes bad he thinks he has a better chance of "blending in" with us than with the groups he grew up in California.

I honestly hope he is right. He is in a small enough community that being known as "Jack's cousin" might mean something. But if he has to leave he will NOT be viewed as "one of ours".

In today's world, you have to chose one tribe or another. Heck, my half Greek Friends complain about it!

Blogger SonofLonginus April 08, 2019 2:48 PM  

This brings to mind the Haitian Revolution.

Some years after the first brutal and merciless ethnic cleansing of the White populations (including the sick, elderly, women, and children, even the allies who were trying to abolish the system where blacks were oppressed), they had another one, this time of the mixed-race members of the population.

If people think that being a friend, ally, spouse, or lover to these militants will preserve them, or their mixed-race offspring will be spared from the fire, then they have an unpleasant surprise coming their way.

VERY unpleasant.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len April 08, 2019 2:59 PM  

There are few, if any, human behaviors more persistent and ineradicable than special pleading.

Blogger Steve Samson April 08, 2019 2:59 PM  

So the trend of only allowing BMWF couples in advertising will actually cause greater harm to the real-life counterparts, by making such unions seem more common and therefore a greater threat to demographic dominance?

Blogger Solon April 08, 2019 3:01 PM  

It's far worse than that for half-breeds.

What "side" you pick is irrelevant, it's what "side" picks you. You don't get to choose which nation you belong to, the nation chooses you, after a fashion.

Half-breeds won't be acceptable to the more-pures on either side of the aisle. That's one of the main reasons race-mixing is such a terrible crime to your offspring.

Blogger Solon April 08, 2019 3:05 PM  

White women MIGHT be accepted back into white communities, but their mixed children will not be.

It will come down to the woman choosing between her race or her children. The motherly instinct being what it is though, it's not really much of a choice.

And there will still be those who say "once you go black, we don't want you back."

Their bed has been made.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 08, 2019 3:42 PM  

well, at least we won't have to check people's pronunciation of "shibboleth."

I'd be worried about any lack of peace, if my parents had played genetic roulette. There aren't matches for unique individuals. They might match a sibling, but they don't match with cousins. Are there enough siblings to go around? The organ donor registry relies on altruism and compassion and motorcycles. What if the altruism is being used elsewhere?

Blogger FALPhil April 08, 2019 3:46 PM  

Too late...

Blogger FALPhil April 08, 2019 3:49 PM  

Who do you screw the other 16% of the time?

Blogger Don't Call Me Len April 08, 2019 3:54 PM  

@50 - Exactly. In a war situation, "Who do you trust?" matters for your survival, but not as much as "Who trusts you?".

Blogger Crew April 08, 2019 3:55 PM  

Further, reducing everything to race is both overly reductive and disingenuous.

That's what Kim Foxx said as she complained about everyone suggesting Jussie perpetrated a hate crime hoax.

Blogger Inner Monologue April 08, 2019 4:00 PM  

@35 If half-Norwegian half-Germans are considered mixed, then by that standard think of the amount of mixed people in the US. Using "white" to distinguish the group makes no sense. What a mess.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia April 08, 2019 4:09 PM  

The Cooler wrote

Bosnians and Serbs are not of a different race. Further, reducing everything to race is both overly reductive and disingenuous.

Schoolmarmish much? How about "ethnicity" instead of "race?"

And the resultant people were harmonious due to myriad factors of which race was but one. What we know for certain is that harmony of any kind is not the regular result of invasion of any kind

Not unitl a lot of raping, pillaging, and plundering had occurred.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke April 08, 2019 4:24 PM  

Eghh all the animosity under the surface, it's worse than the Eurovision song contest. All the Eastern European countries vote for one another, and any decent singers are deprived from flourishing.

Blogger Uncephalized April 08, 2019 4:27 PM  

@Inner Monologue sure it does. We just call ourselves 'White Americans' and accept that our original racial heritage is a jumble of European sources. Since then we have established our own American identity. Not really a problem so long as we accept that identity amongst ourselves.

The real problem is that the identity has been systematically undermined since circa WWII and it no longer has the power of cohesion it once did.

Blogger Blunt Force April 08, 2019 4:28 PM  

Huntington covered this too.

“People define themselves in terms of ancestry, religion, language, history, values, customs, and institutions. They identify with cultural groups: tribes, ethnic groups, religious communities, nations, and, at the broadest level, civilizations. People use politics not just to advance their interests but also to define their identity. We know who we are only when we know who we are not and often only when we know whom we are against.”
― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order


“One grim Weltanschauung for this new era was well expressed by the Venetian nationalist demagogue in Michael Dibdin’s novel, Dead Lagoon: “There can be no true friends without true enemies. Unless we hate what we are not, we cannot love what we are. These are the old truths we are painfully rediscovering after a century and more of sentimental cant. Those who deny them deny their family, their heritage, their culture, their birthright, their very selves! They will not lightly be forgiven.”
― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

Blogger sammibandit April 08, 2019 4:29 PM  

@35 If half-Norwegian half-Germans are considered mixed, then by that standard think of the amount of mixed people in the US. Using "white" to distinguish the group makes no sense. What a mess.

I miss when Heinz 57 mix meaned different mix of euro stock.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 08, 2019 4:32 PM  

We Are The World is an expression of high social mood. If I'm informed correctly, many Jew/Gentile marriages were performed in Germany after WW I.

When will people realize that social mood rises and falls, and that conditions extant at peaks and valleys are transient?

Rhetorical question. The answer is never. History marches on.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 08, 2019 4:42 PM  

#49 Mr Vox Day has an essay here about "burn the coal, pay the toll." The level of violence, abandonment and harm that both the women and the children face at the hands of their black fathers is shocking. I forced my husband to read it when our daughter turned 10.

His best friend from high school is a black man. He was thinking she could choose to date whomever she wanted to date. He changed his mind.

There are crimes called enticement and entrapment. It's not exact, but "digging a pit that another can fall into" is also warned about in Proverbs. The advertisers who okay these ads are enticing young women to risk getting battered, beaten, abandoned, murdered. Blood is on their hands.

Blogger The Cooler April 08, 2019 4:47 PM  

@56 .....what?

@58 You should strive for clarity and precision in your communications with other people and leave being an asshole to the assholes, because you are plainly Not That Guy.

Blogger Mark Stoval April 08, 2019 4:56 PM  

I don't see a lot of hope for the USA or northern America.

If there is any way out short of wholesale genocide it would be to separate the nations by giving them their own regions of the country. In one or more areas perhaps it could be reserved for "cosmopolitan" people. Those that want to be in a "melting pot" or have to be because no one else will take them.

In reality, I don't think that the nations can live mixed together. War or separation. That is all we have.

Also note that God created the nations. To try to mix them all together and destroy them is to go against God himself. Not wise.



Note: In the above I see a nation as a community of people who share a common language, culture, values, traditions, ethnicity, descent, and history.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2019 5:10 PM  

Inner Monologue wrote:Using "white" to distinguish the group makes no sense.

The dusky orcs hate all pale faces, including those we don't consider White. Since we have that common enemy, we have some pressure to make White our identity.

There aren't many places in the US that are ethnically homogeneous enough that a Norwegian-Swede would be considered a half-breed. Maybe in Petersburg?

Blogger Joe Smith April 08, 2019 5:18 PM  

So the answer to this particular whataboutmeism is: "If things go to hell, you're probably screwed." Got it.

Blogger Inner Monologue April 08, 2019 5:21 PM  

@60 What's the point of adopting the White American identity when it's not a nation? Heritage Americans are a nation, but White Americans as you have described are not. The US empire spans the width of the entire continent and is made up of many European ethnicities. They will never be unified under "White Americans".

Blogger The Cooler April 08, 2019 5:42 PM  

The dusky orcs hate all pale faces, including those we don't consider White. Since we have that common enemy, we have some pressure to make White our identity.

I'm glad you bring this up as often as you do because people need to accept it. Imposed from without or not, we are and will be de facto 'White people.' Everything else is essentially academic.

We in the South, unreconstructed as we are, had and have Southern nationalism, which is White Nationalism by another name, so the template is already present and the transition of those not yet on board will be relatively painless.

Blogger eclecticme April 08, 2019 6:06 PM  

Black Pigeon speaks. Refreshing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UESBPWEk1Qw
Burma | No Country For Radical Islam
Aung San Suu Kyi is no longer PC it seems.

Blogger MichaelJMaier April 08, 2019 6:13 PM  

urthshu wrote:I'd suspect the older ethnic white divisions to reassert themselves, at least in larger communities. The most guarded and disdainful of outsiders were often the Italians. It works for them.

WHICH Wops? Sicilians? Venetians? Romans?

Blogger Sheila4g April 08, 2019 6:21 PM  

@64 Ariadne Umbrella: "#49 Mr Vox Day has an essay here about "burn the coal, pay the toll." The level of violence, abandonment and harm that both the women and the children face at the hands of their black fathers is shocking. I forced my husband to read it when our daughter turned 10."

From an old blog (archives still available on the internet) called "unamusement park," there are 4-5 flyers - on race and crime, race and intelligence, etc. He did one on why White women should not date black men - although I couldn't locate it at the archived site, there's a copy online: http://unamusementpark.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/flyer3_miscegenation.jpg

Blogger eclecticme April 08, 2019 6:25 PM  

@64. Ariadne Umbrella April 08, 2019 4:42 PM

#49 Mr Vox Day has an essay here about "burn the coal, pay the toll." The level of violence, abandonment and harm that both the women and the children face at the hands of their black fathers is shocking. I forced my husband to read it when our daughter turned 10.


Others have noted that when attending public places like zoos, Disneyland, black fathers are seldom seen with families.

Blogger Borsabil April 08, 2019 6:26 PM  

@66 "If there is any way out short of wholesale genocide it would be to separate the nations by giving them their own regions of the country. In one or more areas perhaps it could be reserved for "cosmopolitan" people. Those that want to be in a "melting pot" or have to be because no one else will take them."

It wouldn't work. When the empire breaks up separation of the different nations is inevitable, but it won't last and it can't be peaceful. American blacks are not capable of maintaining a nation, the idea is laughable. Amerindian/ mystery meat Hispanics to rule over a North Mexico without high IQ whites that actually run shit down south? Assuming white passing and actual white Hispanics have changed their names from Gomez to Smith and run to join the white nation. At best we'll have indigent non white shitholes leaching off and immigrating into the white nation.

If we're looking to avoid mass killings the best outcome is the USA transforming itself into a colder version of Brazil. It in effect becomes a Latin American nation. A high IQ white elite ruling over their mixed race and black countrymen. This would only be possible if all immigration ended immediately, if all illegals were repatriated and the US was ruled by an extreme fascist/totalitarian who could spend the next few decades attempting to impose a unified nationalist identity on the various nations that make up the Empire. To me this seems the least likely scenario.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke April 08, 2019 6:34 PM  

There is no such thing as the white race. White Identity seems a bit weak, the chance of agreeing on anything is negligible.

What races I consider exist, maybe I'm wrong where is the line between race and ethnicity? Japanese Race(oppress the hairy people), Korean, Arabic, Turkic, Greek, Persian, Mongol, Finish-Hungarian, Basque, Armenian, Georgian. Forged in bloody conflict.

Norwegians have broad shoulders, Swedes are much more slender.
Celts round skulls.
Anglo-Saxon kind of a blend between round and square skull.
North Americans Square jawed. Probably the Scandinavian migration. More open-mouthed in language pronunciation. Bubble gum. Also more vowels in Norwegian, than English.
Pointy chins, more French and Celtic.
Celestial nose(my nose type), I think is northern European. I suppose nose type would be a good way of sorting by ethnicity.

Blogger tublecane April 08, 2019 6:47 PM  

@18- There were Muslims in the middle of the Balkan wars, don't forget.

@27- "why do this?"

Why rape? Same reason Hillary mounted Everest: because they're there .

Blogger tublecane April 08, 2019 7:11 PM  

"violent acts by members of the group with which she is identified."

Honor killing. Doesn't happen that much in goodwhite culture anymore, but retain memory of it. For instance in Westerns where girls returning from Red Indian abductions are put to death. (Or not, as in the John Wayne movie the Searchers.)

The story of the Horatii from Roman mythology captures the drama perfectly. A brother returns victoriously from three-on-three which claimed the lives of his two brothers to find his sister morning one of their slain enemies. So he kills her.

Much better than the Rape of the Sabine story, where the Romans abduct Sabine women because they need wives. When the Sabine men inevitably invade Rome these women intervene and are all, "Hey, keep just be one country." As if.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 08, 2019 7:18 PM  

"The dusky orcs hate all pale faces, including those we don't consider White. Since we have that common enemy, we have some pressure to make White our identity."

The duskies are only part of the problem.

What we're going to have is the Aztecs slaughtering the Africans, while a big thick circle of unidentifiable white dust dubiously circles the blender blades, and some rocks of cohesive-but-unspoken lighter skinned identities float around on the top, disintegrating everything in sight.

Blogger Fractional Reserve Spanking Bear April 08, 2019 7:22 PM  

I may be misconstruing you but the way this is worded lends itself to sounding very mgtow and pussified. If not the case disregard but if not then I must point out the personal responsibility of the man. I have only ever been afraid of one woman... My mother. If a woman pushes violence it is a man's place to remind her that she won't be the one hurting or getting hurt.

Blogger Fractional Reserve Spanking Bear April 08, 2019 7:26 PM  

At my core I want to love the idea of mixed races. I truly do. My logical side, however, knows it often ends horribly. Unless we are talking mixed race models... 😋

Blogger Uncephalized April 08, 2019 8:19 PM  

@Inner Monologue well, I am a Heritage American through a couple of Revolutionary ancestors but I am also an Immigrant White American through my German great-grandparents etc.

I don't know what the 'point' of having an identity is, except to belong somewhere. I myself feel very rootless. It's a disconcerting and anxious feeling. My genetic heritage is something like 14 different European countries.

I would love to have an answer. My parents moved from opposite ends of the US and ended up in Arizona where we have no history. But I don't know where I could go that would be better. Hawaii, where my mother grew up, is a multicultural liberal 'utopia' with all the problems that go with it. Upstate New York, where my dad is from, is depressed and I only have a couple elderly family members there who I barely know.

I have this romantic notion about Montana, but I have to amass some wealth before I can get some property anywhere.

Blogger Argus Bacchus April 08, 2019 8:46 PM  

@Ariadne, Shelia4g, eclecticme

You may find this study to be of interest if you have not seen it before.

http://archive.is/sTnCh


From the abstract:

"This study finds that 92% of biracial children with African American fathers are born out of wedlock and 82% end up on government assistance. The results of this study make it very clear that biracial children with African American fathers are fatherless on a scale much larger than the public may realize."

Blogger Rhys April 08, 2019 8:50 PM  

Mark Stoval wrote:In reality, I don't think that the nations can live mixed together. War or separation. That is all we have.

Also note that God created the nations. To try to mix them all together and destroy them is to go against God himself. Not wise.


From what I gather, the only time the nations will unite and live in harmony is in Christ Jesus. I wouldn't say it's against God, so much as it is a task only God himself can accomplish, and trying to do it ourselves is an attempt to usurp Him. When people try to unite humanity on Earth, as they often explicitly state, they are trying to create Heaven without having to go through the proper divine process. We know from many stories of the bible what happens when man tries to create his own path to Heaven, and where that path is actually leading.

Blogger Jack Amok April 08, 2019 10:21 PM  

Quit confusing race and nationality. Nobody cares if Serbs and Croats are the same race, they are different nationalities. They fought because they wanted to (re-)claim lands for their nation. The English and the French are the same race, and they've fought like cats and dogs for most of the last thousand years.

But races get along even worse than nations do, so the fact that nationalist conflicts exist doesn't mean racial conflicts don't. A mixed-nationality family might be able to pass for the husband's nationality if they behave like it and the locals don't know the wife's background, or if the wife ends up among her own and no one knows who the father of the kids was. But a mixed-race family is obvious. No chance there.

Blogger sammibandit April 08, 2019 10:44 PM  

Within Scandic circles the nationality you have is quite important. It determines what rank you are in a mixed group of Scandics and even what jokes you are permitted to make. Everyone can make fun of Swedes, Swedes can make fun of Danes, and Norweigians can make fun of Danes, and Danes can sometimes make fun of Norweigians if Swedes aren't around. Many older Scandics would hate being ranked with Germans because they simply don't like them and figure the difference is obvious.

Aside, it's funny how ADL hate symbol database ranks Scandic and German symbols the same. Despite the fact that Scandic countries that were occupied didn't really like it, and even worked to save jews, you would have no idea if you only used ADL for information.

Blogger JG April 08, 2019 10:46 PM  

A tendency towards criminality is correlated with IQ of 85. I wonder what racial groups in America have an average IQ of 85?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 08, 2019 11:19 PM  

"If a woman pushes violence it is a man's place to remind her that she won't be the one hurting or getting hurt."

Assurance of safety is one half. The other half is discipline of maliciousness wherever necessary.

Neither of those are going to be common temperances in the near future, and remember, whether or not you're interested in the intemperate, they're going to be interested in you.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 08, 2019 11:22 PM  

"I myself feel very rootless."

It's a crap feeling, isn't it? And remember, those'r only the first premonitions of what's going to be felt when lines of delineation really start to become ubiquitous and deep.

Who in their right mind would deprive their children in such a way, other than people already themselves so depraved that they don't know better?

Blogger BriarRabbit April 09, 2019 12:58 AM  

Not unless you scope it out first. Have connections and familiarity. If you wait till a SHTF scenario, you're just a refugee.

I intend to have established connections and a home rental in Colombia before 2025 hits. Make friends, establish a business perhaps as my IS based income isnt reliable if the crap hits the rotary.

Blogger JovianStorm April 09, 2019 5:02 AM  

I'm half - Japanese and not fully accepted in either the US or Japan.

I understand that my mother did what she did out of desperation but I'm wearing the dead albatross around my neck for the rest of my life

Blogger Avalanche April 09, 2019 7:52 AM  

@69 "Heritage Americans are a nation, but Whit*e Americans as you have described are not. The US empire spans the width of the entire continent and is made up of many European ethnicities."

Vox sort-of describes it this way too, but I'm ... not convinced. I am German, Scot, Irish, English. I'm also a registered DAR -- a Daughter of the American Revolution. I have "heritage loyalty" to each of those European countries, and to Europe generally. However, none of my 'heritage' has a majority claim on me: I am an "American-mix" and proud of it! I AM a Euro-derived White. White IS my major ethnic / national identification, as it is for a lot of folks I have discussed this with.

Most of these White folks are some version of multi-Euro-nation mix, recognize it, and accept that they are White, first and foremost. Even my "active in Greek orgs and church" friend sees himself AS a White American, of mostly Greek heritage.

A big flaw may be that 'we' look at all Whites as valuable and part of Sailor's "genetically related, extremely extended family," which of course they are. That means we're ignoring or unaware of the Socialist / anti-U.S.-at-base bias of, say, the Scandinavians who have destroyed Minn and Mich. Or that some truly have their 'first loyalty to 'family homeland' in Europe or {frown} Israel.

"White" won't work in Europe, I completely agree. But I am pretty sure that "I'm descended from insert European country here" won't work in the U.S. as a 'tribal ID. Are we (Euro-descended Whites) not different enough from the 'nationalism' of the less-mixed Euro nations that we will need a larger banner to fight under? That it is hard in the extreme to get 'anti-racial' Whites to recognize everything written so brilliantly here does not mean it's not necessary -- or that it will in the end come as a result in the "anti-White" violence applied to all of them? Get White or Die! Their choice?

Blogger Avalanche April 09, 2019 8:00 AM  

@79 "What we're going to have is the Aztecs slaughtering the Africans"

Offer accepted; how soon can they start?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 09, 2019 8:13 AM  

The Cooler wrote:Imposed from without or not, we are and will be de facto 'White people.'

My race, my identity, is American. I'm what Vox calls American 1.0. In America, that makes me White. Here and now, the krauts and frogs and spics and wops and micks really are fellow Whites, like it or not. We even have to accept the squareheads and damnyankees.

It's not because any of us want to, it's because all of us must, during the current emergency.

People who aren't willing to be White, and can't be something else, are getting squeezed hard already. Hang together or be hung separately.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 09, 2019 8:18 AM  

BriarRabbit wrote:I intend to have established connections and a home rental in Colombia before 2025 hits.

A wise old man told me: never move anywhere that you don't blend in.

To a stranger walking through that neighborhood in Columbia, are you going to be THE GRINGO? Better be a very valuable gringo to the local jefe.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 09, 2019 9:02 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@79 "What we're going to have is the Aztecs slaughtering the Africans"

Offer accepted; how soon can they start?


Unfortunately, it's already started.

I think we will find that the Aztecs are a greater threat than our home-grown Africans. The Aztecs are more capable, so more immediately dangerous, and less physically different so more threat of miscegenation.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 09, 2019 10:04 AM  

@96 The Aztecs are mostly far removed from Spanish-dominant stock.
Not a lot of home coming queens dating the lawnmower jockey. The pretty blonde cheerleader who comes to school sans underwear (true story) does so to pull a stairwell hookup with the Trayvon-the-running-back, not Jorge-the-gardener.

That said, Latin America is the murder capital of the world for exactly the reasons you cited. The most dangerous foes are those who are well-organized, especially when they're organized while your fellowmen still complacently crop grass in the field oblivious to the wolves who take up position.

My guess is that when the mood finally changes, if Aztecs decide to enlarge their beachheads there will be some very Rwanda-like events here and there before heritage Americans wake up and realize that anyone vaguely Mayan is to be shot on sight.

Blogger Timmy3 April 09, 2019 10:13 AM  

Mixed race kids will have to date closer to their appearance so their kids will be identified with their ancestors. We might think white is less dominant and the kids will automatically appear as the other race, but in many cases, kids of Asian heritage, where mother or father is Asian, might appear white. This happens quite a bit. If the mixed race descendants are more ethnic in appearance, just assimilate back in the culture by dating back into the race. Half white Obama married a black woman. This is obviously more difficult in America where sticking with one race is often discouraged or opportunity to date is more liberal. White women are the most liberal of all.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 09, 2019 11:03 AM  

"Offer accepted; how soon can they start?"

Decades ago.

Blogger Birdman April 09, 2019 11:20 AM  

Inner Monologue wrote:@35 If half-Norwegian half-Germans are considered mixed, then by that standard think of the amount of mixed people in the US. Using "white" to distinguish the group makes no sense. What a mess.

term "white" only applied to america not european, because america is just too fucking mixed

Blogger DonReynolds April 09, 2019 11:28 AM  

During the previous civil conflict in the USA, there were challenges of a similar nature.

Confederates complained bitterly about Lincoln's army having so many immigrants, particularly from Ireland and Germany. Some regiments from Minnesota and Wisconsin only spoke German. The conscription of Irish immigrants right off the boat was a common experience. Later in the war, the Union added Colored regiments with white officers. Confederate brutality (and long-term resentment) was not unexpected. In the case of Colored troops, the Confederate Congress ordered that any captured in Union military uniform be returned to their state of servitude and their white officers summarily executed.

The Federal authorities were also outraged by the Confederate use of American Indian regiments, particularly in the western campaigns, and this also created long-term resentment against the Indians, even well after the end of the war.

In terms of brutality and atrocities against civilians, the Negro civilian population in the South was much more likely to be raped and abused by white Union troops than by Confederates. White women were still white women by either side, but black women were considered fair game by the white Union troops.

In any future civil conflict, I would expect a very similar outcome. Both sides will deny having any racial animus or race targeting. But the use of recent immigrants in the military will be seen as foreign interference in a domestic dispute, whether they are Asian or Hispanic, and disrespected by both sides. The unusual status held by the Negro in the last civil conflict has passed away, but in recent decades there may be a new special status reserved only for them, with considerable resentment on both sides of the conflict.

Blogger xevious2030 April 09, 2019 11:57 AM  

Historical evidence is of limited value, as American national identity has been eroded among common group spectrum whites, and such people generally function in a state of cognitive dissonance with an undefined national identity people Pavlovianally reject (low level self-loathing, though decreasing). Even if the rejection were abated, they have no consciously recognized definition. Strip away the civ-nat, and they have almost no definition. At that point, baring a governmental/authoritative declaration, it is likely proximity and relationship will geographically emulsify people into communities of contribution/detriment, communities of assimilation, communities of mental insanity, and into communities of brute force. The initial non-assimilated versus everyone else is a given, this this the “beyond that.” Though, the longer the struggle, the greater the emulsification along racial lines.

Blogger Uncephalized April 09, 2019 1:22 PM  

@BriarRabbit were you talking to me about Montana? Thanks. I'm well aware of the necessity. I'm not waiting. In fact I am taking my family on a road trip through Idaho and Montana this summer to scope it out and hopefully meet some good folks up there.

Fortunately I spent my twenties becoming useful in various trade and professional skills and generally have a knack for blending in many different social circles. BUT none of that is a substitute for personal history in a community. It's just helpful for getting a foot in the door.

Blogger Crew April 09, 2019 4:41 PM  

I'm half - Japanese and not fully accepted in either the US or Japan.

Do you look obviously half-n-hald?

I know at least one individual of mixed extraction who looks white ... and who has no problems.

Blogger Unknown April 12, 2019 9:24 AM  

Not accepted in the US? I find that hard to believe. What do people say that makes you think you're not accepted?

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