Notre Dame is burning
An apt metaphor for the current state of the West: Notre Dame is on fire.
Requiescat in pace.
More bad news. Another Christian treasure, science fiction grandmaster Gene Wolfe, has died.
Gene Wolfe, author of more than 30 books including classics like The Book of The New Sun, has died at the age of 87.I spoke with him once. He was friendly, polite, and vastly amused by the idea that we were publishing a book of literary analysis of everything he ever wrote. He asked who the author was, and when I told him, he said, "But I know him! He never struck me as a madman!"
Requiescat in pace.
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So many churches get attacked in France.
It's like watching a vivisection.
Macron and his muzzie butt-buddy are smiling.
My first thought was Muslims; but what about history repeats itself: blame it on the yellow vests? (Reichstag)
Perhaps the Catholic Swamp should heed these signs. Saint Sulpice also caught fire recently.
The spire has fallen.
In college in the early 60's, I took a year-long course on art and architecture. The great Gothic cathedrals were featured, and most especially the exquisite glass and statuary. May God protect that glass.
This is beyond tragic. Notre Dame belongs to all people of European descent. It is a central element of Western culture and civilization. It is to weep.
The fire is symbolic of the destruction of the West. It is just too horrible to contemplate. Someone commenting at Moon of Alabama wonders whether a mosque will be built on the site.
Fire of Peace?
This tragic sight isn't unexpected, yet seeing it gives me chills. My heart an prayers go out to everyone fighting the flames and I pray that the damage is something we can rebuild from with hope and love in our hearts.
Renovations were being done on the roof. Scaffolding all over the place. I'm betting some worker is crapping himself right now.
"An apt metaphor" was my first thought. Sad sight.
Fire can also be cleansing. May God's will be done.
Apparently the result of ongoing renovations. But then again, the flames will surely be cheered by adherents of the great religion of peace.
So the metaphor is extended. Built hundreds of years ago by people who had no physics or engineering, it even withstood the French Revolution-but nothing can survive the unintentional effects of enlightened moderns "fixing" things.
Is that the moon in the back?
The symbolism is very tragic. Part of me wonders if the moon turning to blood, refers to Islam rather than the physical moon.
The West stands on our shoulders, and we will not shirk.
Kots of French churches have been vandalized, desecrated or set on fire in the last few years.
And now the Notre Dame, just before Easter?
It's been immediately blamed on the restoration work that was going on, with all MSM outlets reporting in lockstep an accident. Also no obvious attempts to put it out, it's been allowed to burn with efforts being concentrated on cordoning off the cathedral. Oh even better a lot of the valuable art work was removed by the construction crew immediately prior to the fire starting. Anyway the French Catholic authorities are stating the entire structure is on fire so the most beautiful Christian church in the world is now gone.
I am crushed! Agree w Vox that this is a tragic metaphor on the West. Always skeptical of the *official narrative* but even taking the first words, no money for renovations but hey, take in more vibrants. Erasing of European Christian history literally on full display.
I'm ready for the next Crusade.
This cathedral is one of the hearts of christendom. France has called itself the "first daughter of the church" for a thousand years. It survived the numerous conquest of Paris. Now it will be destroyed, unable to be remade. A black day indeed.
I attended the International Mass for tourists at Notre Dame back in 2015. It was one of the funniest damn things I've ever experienced in my life. Those of us at worship were in the pews, and we had a throng of hundreds of tourists behind us with their idiot phones on those selfie-sticks recording us during the service. The best part was I could hear a tour guide explaining the Mass while it was in progress with bon mots like: "Catholics actually believe the Eucharist is the flesh of Jesus Christ." It was like being an animal in a zoo and being the subject of a wildlife documentary. I could only laugh.
Despite the distractions, to take Communion there was to feel a link with all the generations who have gone before us, a reminder that history didn't bring the day I was born. Hard to watch it burn, but may something good come of this.
Indeed.
Reminds me of SDL's darkstream about nothing working anymore. Sabotage, or more likely incompetence, has destroyed Notre Dame.
No single work of man better encapsulates the extant people who built it, than Notre Dame to the French.
A tragedy for all of us of the west, but to the true sons and daughters of France... I cannot imagine.
If this is a happening, it ought begin the deluge.
Either way, we're going to have Muslims cheering and "moderate Muslims" obfuscating by attempting a propaganda coup. It sickens.
...a few days after Benjamin Netanyahu was reelected to serve a fifth term.
Israel is going to make an aggressive push into the West Bank, which will ignite tensions between arabs and Israelis. Israel has to find some way to provide moral cover for their move to evict the Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza, and I suspect they're doing it by staging false flag attacks in Europe to create a war between Europe's Muslim population and native Europeans. This is not what it seems.
@6 - Someone commenting at Moon of Alabama wonders whether a mosque will be built on the site.
That or an all-inclusive, inter-faith chapel where everyone can come and worship the Judeo-Islamic-Buddha-Hindu-Atheist-Agnostic-Gay-Trans-Immigrant-Christ.
How long after the tragedy will we have to wait before some (((jesuit))) academic comes by to tell us the loss is painful, but that we shouldn't cling to the past and instead take time to reflect on the decadent and oppressive history of the church, and how the loss of this cathedral can symbolize the beginning of a new era of the church?
@2 Edward Isaacs: "It's like watching a vivisection."
It's like experiencing a vivisection. This is truly the end of a people and a civilization.
@12 The Pitckfork Rebel: "Apparently the result of ongoing renovations."
Certainly, because the French government and the press always tell you the absolute truth.
Sorry for my despair Vox, but watching the ongoing death of the west is the blackest black pill. I cannot bear this. May the perpetrators and their enablers and excusers suffer everlasting torment for their evil.
Gene Wolfe died on the same day Notre Dame burnt down what a goddamn tragedy.
I hope the ethnic restaurants were worth it.
Bets on if the workers doing the renovations were French or "French"?
The spate of recent arson attacks on French churches have been accompanied by desecration of altars with human feces, the painting of Satanic symbols on church walls and the smashing of statues of the saints and the holy mother. Not one hose was turned on the fire until the cathedral had already been consumed, and only then in an effort to stop it spreading to surrounding properties. I'm not saying that the fire was deliberately lit, there's no way to know, but for sure the rush to claim it as an accident, with no proof either way, is a massive tell.
"the Lord gave and the Lord has taken away..."
The raging fire will only be put out with the blood of the invaders. Holy War is coming. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior or face eternal hellfire.
If Frenchmen want to do something to preserve their cultural treasures, they should immediately, today, this minute, go protect Chartres. That one is next on the Semitic hit list.
They should get their weapons, get in their Peugeots, and go there now. Set up a defensive perimeter. Might have to fight the ((( "French" ))) government to do so, though.
A lot of rubbing of hands on Twitter.
Judeo-Christian is like "dry water." Opposites. Enemies.
I really appreciate commentary from close to the source bc my cousin was just at Notre Dame the 3rd week of March, last month. I saw his pictures. Very little scaffolding and he attended one of the masses.
It was Big Ben that he remarked being so covered in scaffolding that pics were almost not worth it.
Something's not right here.
Truly a sad day in Christendom though we must remember that our hope is w the One who rose from the darkness of the covered tomb, not in man-made relics.
Notre Dame belongs to all people of European descent.
Especially the stone masons!
Built hundreds of years ago by people who had no physics or engineering
How confident are you in that?
So, what the hell does France care about losing Notre Dame? Or the rest of the world, for that matter? They've cast away the Faith of their fathers. So why would they care about losing a national treasure they've obviously taken for granted?
Pope Francis' was a papacy that saw the burning of Notre Dame, as he meanwhile groveled on all fours at the feet of muslim warlords.
Black and Death Metal bands in Norway used to get their kicks lighting up historical Christian churches... 17 were burned. There was a length of time when we Christians may have been fooled by safety and comfort that this world was akin to some kind of home. It is not and never will be. Our home transcends this world, and we'd be more immune to despair if we consider the new Earth that will be. It is a sad day indeed to see those years of worship-though work go up in a matter of hours, but He has spoken "Do no store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal." Matthew 6:19
The Logos still rises.
> Fire of Peace?
Almost certainly, though it'll be denied.
> and I pray that the damage is something we can rebuild from with hope and love in our hearts.
We can rebuild it. But I think some additional destruction will need to take place first. Which is all I should probably say on the subject.
> Apparently the result of ongoing renovations.
And how many of the workers were immigrants?
> But then again, the flames will surely be cheered by adherents of the great religion of peace.
Already being done.
> Hard to watch it burn, but may something good come of this.
If it wakes up the French, it's a small price to pay. If not, it was doomed anyway.
I wish even 10% of the people distraught over "Our Lady" would bend their necks or knees to "Our Lord" today.
This is so sad. I was in Paris a few weeks ago and actually thought about visiting Notre Dame. But it was quite far away from my hotel, and I did not have very much time, so I did not go there. Wish I had!
It is to puke. Revolting.
Enough of conversations. Deus vult!
Sad for Gene Wolfe. I'm a big fan. My favourite book from him is the first of Latro saga, Soldier in the mist. God bless him.
My ancestors had their throats slit by the Duke of Orleans' men before some few fled out of La Rochelle. It's a beautiful building, but it needs people of the faith in it and engaged with the world - and France doesn't have that.
This is just the beginning. Catholic Churches are being desecrated all across France. Officials claim that they don't know why, but they are lying; everybody knows why, they are just afraid to admit it. It's an attack on Christianity and French Culture. An attack on Western Civilization.
https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800
And Rest in Peace to Gene Wolfe. One of the best writers in the English language today.
A firefighter was commenting on the fire. Apparently once something like this goes it's incredibly hard to do anything about it.
https://twitter.com/GreggFavre/status/1117863814198779904
A divine repudiation of the Macron presidency.
It's sad to say this is a sign of the times, but I'm still having trouble believing what I'm seeing.
@Nathan Bruno, your divide and conquer tactics aren't working.
Ben Shapiro already with the hot take... Judeo-Christian
I would surmise the renovation work was done by a very reputable French company who had then subcontracted to an (almost) equally reputable Bulgarian company who again had hired workers originally from Iraq who had bought themselves Ukrainian citizenships. The Iraqi workers being illiterate even in their own language claimed they had not understood the "no smoking" signs. At least that's what they claimed. That's all. Some people did something. Falsehoods have consequences.
Built during Thomas Aquinas's lifetime.
Built in the age of engineering ,destroyed in the age of science .
@35
"Built hundreds of years ago by people who had no physics or engineering
How confident are you in that?"
Very, with a caveat. When I say no physics or engineering, I mean "as we know them". It would be hundreds of years until Newton would give us a rudimentary knowledge of mass, motion and gravity, or the slide rule was developed. There was no way to test the stones strength or estimate the weight of the building. No mechanically powered hoists or cranes. No steel.
That having been said, they had some way of constructing buildings that lasted hundreds of years, so I am not dismissing their art. We should wonder about how much was done with so little in awe.
Bets on if the workers doing the renovations were French or "French"?
@28 DaveD
It's a good bet they were relying on cheap Islamic labor.
@46 It's sad to say this is a sign of the times, but I'm still having trouble believing what I'm seeing.
The last time I felt this amount of pure disbelief was on 9/11.
@Alexander
''Ben Shapiro already with the hot take... Judeo-Christian''
(((They))) can't let a single tragedy escape their social signaling. It must all be about them all the time. 'Worse than the cathedral burning, it surely harmed us Jews in some ways.
Ask yourself the following:
If something bad happens to a mosque or synagogue do the disciples wait for evidence to come in before casting blame?
If your answer is no, then I ask why should we? Never, ever let a good opportunity go to waste. You know exactly where to send the invoice for this terroristic act of heresy.
There is no reason for despair. Christ doesn't need buildings. He needs souls to repent for their sins. And perhaps some souls will repent. The evidence for this, is how believers feeling right now about it.
<"Built hundreds of years ago by people who had no physics or engineering
How confident are you in that?"
Taleb has discussed this at length..These Builders didn't even use geometry or math beyond counting, all of which was invented much later..
Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum.
Benedicta tu in mulieribus,
et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus.
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei,
ora pro nobis peccatoribus,
nunc et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.
Crap.
Wolfe's new sun books were a joy in college, and the (then new and still being written) Long sun books held my attention through a number of sub patrols.
Rest in peace.
@54 I feel like 50% of my comments on here are directed at the despicable littlest chicken hawk... but you could not have summed that up better! My contempt for Shapiro grows daily to new levels I did not know where possible.
Yes, it is a metaphor for our times. I know accidents happen, yet I could not help but think,how could a generation of unbelievers begin to understand what it is, to restore the Notre Dame Cathedral? In building the monstrous homes that I have built over the years, I have always told the men on the sites, "this is someone's home, treat it like you would want your home to be treated". Well, this was a place of worship that many thought was just a historical site. Yes, I know that an accident can happen with any construction site, no matter their faith.
What a terrible day.
Well, "pride goeth before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." God is not mocked by these unbelievers and fake mourners in France or anywhere else.
Shepard Smith cuts off French Elected Official after he brings up fact that Churches in France have been desecrated in past year.
“Of course you will hear the story of the politically correct which will tell you it is probably an accident" #NotreDame
https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1117863555951316992
Terrorist arson?
Oh Benji gets worse: https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1117879123815190529
The man clearly sold his soul years ago.
RIP Gene Wolfe
>>Built hundreds of years ago by people who had no physics or engineering
At least some of the time way back when they would build a scale model of the thing and the builders would go by that. "Rules of thumb" were often in place based on experience. What modern engineering is often used for when building things is to keep the cost down. That is why the World Trade Center caved in so easily. It was built strong enough to endure the ordinary and anticipated stresses, but no stronger.
Daniele Grech Pereira wrote:Christ doesn't need buildings. He needs souls to repent for their sins.
Absolutely. Putting millions of mohammedans to the torch would encourage that repentance in the survivors, and it would be a good start.
Damn. I am reading the Book of the New Sun right now for the first time. Anyone who hasn't read it should.
In the end, it could be arson/terrorism with the dozen churches that have been burned in France recently. I haven't felt this way since 9/11.
I spoke to a pastor friend of mine earlier about this and I mentioned to him that at the rate things are degenerating, this will probably give way to a more militant church. A church that needs to physically defend God's people and where they worship. It is already happening in the states in of all places California, many churches have armed uniformed security.
I was just reading that the fire started, 5 or 6 minutes after the cathedral closed at 6:45 PM. That is suspicious to say the least.
@45- Could Macron have accidentally caught on fire, in that case? Perhaps his frilly robe dangling too close to the burner while preparing eggs for his mom, I mean wife.
Looks like Benny does apologize from time to time.
This one was just too big I guess:
https://gab.com/media/image/bq-5cb4f470349c7.jpeg
Home Fires is the only Gene Wolfe I've ever read. Which I picked because the premise sounded intriguing. The rest of it was not as good as the premise.
I must find something else of his .
Oh my, all those homeless devil spirits.
They'll blame Yellow Vests, especially if it turns out the Muzzies did it.
Muslims. Whether deliberate arson, or carelessness, it will be muslims.
@48- "Athens and Jerusalem got together, see...oh, and there was this guy in year zero...then bam! Thirteen hundred years later Judeo-Christianity gave us a building with a window.
Ain't my tribe, I mean Western Civilization grand?"
About seven years ago, reading one of the books in Wolfe's 'The Book of the New Sun' was the first time in my life that I noticed and marveled at how beautifully written an author's prose was. I never had too critical of an eye for these things, but sometimes the beauty in his writing would reach out and slap you, and even I could instantly pick up on it and knew it was something special. It surprised me at the time, because I hardly ever notice stuff like that, and I had to actually Google what the hell it was about his writing that struck me so hard because I couldn't put my finger on it. "Beautiful prose" is how others put it, and they were spot on. May God greet him as a friend.
tublecane, the secret to Home Fires is that Skip is himself the brainwashed secret agent who is undermining everything he narrates. (per Marc Aramini's brilliant analysis, yet to be published).
Try Soldier of the Mist next.
44. Kat April 15, 2019 3:33 PM
A firefighter was commenting on the fire. Apparently once something like this goes it's incredibly hard to do anything about it.
My first question is, what else is something like this that has burned down recently?
oh piss off uou mealy- mouthed obfuscator!
"ignite""tensions"? france should vaporize mecca.
@64, Kat, @72 cecilhenry, someone made sure to archive the original: http://archive.is/koW49
"Why doesn't the football team put it out?" -- President Donald J. Trump
I wish even 10% of the people distraught over "Our Lady" would bend their necks or knees to "Our Lord" today.
I wish you'd stop your obnoxious virtue-signaling.
phunktor wrote:"ignite""tensions"? france should vaporize mecca.
Somebody should. If they get to nuke Mecca, I want us to have dibs on Medina.
The time for vengeance is coming, but for now I morn the loss of one of mankind's greatest achievements.
My wife got to see that church in person once long ago, but sadly I never did. All I have are picture of it.
My God, what a loss.
There is nothing that will ever convince me this was not deliberate, especially with all of the images and screenshots of Muslims smiling, laughing and joking about it.
I am amazed at what I wrote on this blog a few days ago commenting on Benedict's indestructibility of the church: "when men fail and cathedrals fall..." And now this.
I was in Paris in 2006...and may well go later this year. But I didn't have the chance to visit Notre Dame. This is tragic.
The U.N might not be good for much, but the UNESCO World Heritage list is a pretty good guide for a tourist.
And yes, while this COULD have been accidental, it's all too plausible that it was Islamic arson.
For Gene Wolfe short stories, pick up the collected book 'Strange Travelers' and specifically 'Bed And Breakfast' and "To the Seventh".
The first is about a Bed And Breakfast next to a gate to Hell.
The second is about a space opera version of a chess game between God and Satan.
It won't matter who burned it, or what caused it. Why. Who is responsible, who is happy about it, who is sad. None of that.
It's a marker. Not even a sign - given that the people are incapable of seeing signs anyway.
The burning of Notre Dame is a fulcrum moment.
Things are going to be different now.
Dues vult! Dues vult! Dues vult!
(((Lügenpresse))) is in lock-step as someone above noted. Don't believe a damned word from them. Wonder how diverse the repair crew was....
A lot of rubbing of hands on Twitter.
Like swarms of insects on a sultry summer night. Singing the praises of their god Beelzubub.
@Johnny
The WTC caved so easily because they were destroyed by controlled demolition. See: Bollyn.com.
I grieve for Wolfe more than Notre Dame. A century from now, I suspect there will college courses just on his work. Truly a genius.
On 9-11, I never cried.
Today, I cried. Dues vult!
@66
"What modern engineering is often used for when building things is to keep the cost down. "
Those "rules of thumb" you mention, have limitations. Keep in mind that hundreds of years after this Cathedral was built, after there was modern engineering, it was still customary to pay a locomotive engineer a nice bonus to run the first train over a newly constructed bridge.
Scale models are architecture, not engineering.
What they did, with what they had is simply amazing.
@89
I wish I could agree with you about a "fulcrum moment", but I'm cynical. Look how insignificant 9/11 is, that some invader to the House dares say some people did something. If you can't properly remember 3000 lives lost, 900 year old history will be forgotten.
I sincerely hope Quasimodo got out okay. I hope he didn't,carry anything too heavy, in case it gave,him,a,bad back!
Vaporize it for what? Western liberalism?
ScottC wrote:Vaporize it for what? Western liberalism?
For God and country? Just because? It's always right and proper to kill mohammedans.
It's a beautiful building, but it needs people of the faith in it and engaged with the world - and France doesn't have that.
Indeed, nor does the rest of Western Europe (or most of the USA, for that matter).
Man is outraged and grief-stricken (and justifiably so) at this tragedy. God, OTOH, might just be saying "this building is no longer home to those who worship me and my son, so I don't care what happens to it. It's nothing buy a monument to man's vanity now."
Oh my, all those homeless devil spirits.
They'll blame Yellow Vests, especially if it turns out the Muzzies did it.
One of the first things I thought was "Macron's Reichstag Fire?"
Certainly the guy feels cornered and exasperated by Les Gilets Jaunes and the widespread discontent they represent, for which he and his regime clearly have no sympathy or solutions. What better way to deflect attention than to "wag the dog" like this, obvious and worn out a tactic as it has become?
This is the last website anybody should come to proclaiming that the medieval technology really sucked, and that medieval man couldn't even count much less do mathematics, and engineering truly belongs to us moderns.
Really, this is last site to come to with such nonsense!
"This is the last website anybody should come to proclaiming that the medieval technology really sucked, and that medieval man couldn't even count much less do mathematics, and engineering truly belongs to us moderns"
Nobody made that claim.
Many seem to want to blame the Muslims or other various groups, and okay. You want to oppose the Muslims and "other various groups"? Sign me up!
But what if the truth is far worse. What if it was truly an accident. What if the truth is that the Notre Dame Cathedral burnt because of negligence, incompetence, etc?
That's twice damning upon modern Christians. And maybe even deserved. We're having obvious trouble sustaining our heritage and protecting our faith.
What if this is a wake-up call, brought on by ourselves, imploring us to get our act in order?
We need to assert Christendom, to advance and to defend it.
Our cathedrals were not built to be beautiful curiosities of remote strangeness. They were built to engage, to join in communion with the divine.
Let's get back to that!
The Book of the New Sun was one of the most difficult books I've ever read.
Current reports are that the structure is fine, only the roof and one of the main stained glass windows are gone.
If some cheap contractor hired a muslim worker, my money is on it was too tempting for him.
If it turns out this happened, just nuke meca.
The Pitchfork Rebel wrote:"This is the last website anybody should come to proclaiming that the medieval technology really sucked, and that medieval man couldn't even count much less do mathematics, and engineering truly belongs to us moderns"
Nobody made that claim.
Pay attention.
pyrrhus wrote:Taleb has discussed this at length..These Builders didn't even use geometry or math beyond counting, all of which was invented much later..
It was stated that Notre Dame was the second most holy site after the Vatican, in Christendom. Dome of the Rock is known as second or third most holy site in Islam. I strongly suspect that this tragedy at Notre Dame will be the pretext to destroy the Dome of the Rock. Thus, opening the way for the Third Temple. If so, forget the darn popcorn, just stock up on bourbon. The good bourbon.
And, I suppose, if you are a barbarian, some coka cola as mixer.
For God and country? Just because? It's always right and proper to kill mohammedans.
You should join the IDF when Israel annexes the West Bank and Gaza. I hear Netanyahu is looking for a goy brigade to draw fire away from his Jewish troops.
The Jews are allies of Christians, and they want to kill arabs too. They would never stoop so low as to use arab decoys to stage false flag attacks to incite goys against their enemies.
For McDonalds, hip hop, UBI checks, divorce, slutty chicks with tattoos, fat slobs driving pickups and AIPAC!
The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:Many seem to want to blame the Muslims or other various groups, and okay. You want to oppose the Muslims and "other various groups"? Sign me up!
Whether they did it or not, let's burn the mohammedans' cities for it. It's time.
The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:But what if the truth is far worse. What if it was truly an accident. What if the truth is that the Notre Dame Cathedral burnt because of negligence, incompetence, etc?
Could be. Whether evil or incompetence, it would be worse than an enemy attack. Islam delenda est is a great way to start our comeback.
The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:We need to assert Christendom, to advance and to defend it.
Sign me up!
Jack Ward wrote:It was stated that Notre Dame was the second most holy site after the Vatican, in Christendom. Dome of the Rock is known as second or third most holy site in Islam. I strongly suspect that this tragedy at Notre Dame will be the pretext to destroy the Dome of the Rock. Thus, opening the way for the Third Temple. If so, forget the darn popcorn, just stock up on bourbon. The good bourbon.
And, I suppose, if you are a barbarian, some coka cola as mixer.
There's also the Hagia Sophia, which, btw, is under attack lately. Surprising, no?
@106
Pay attention.
"pyrrhus wrote:
Taleb has discussed this at length..These Builders didn't even use geometry or math beyond counting, all of which was invented much later.."
You said thus:
"This is the last website anybody should come to proclaiming that the medieval technology really sucked, and that medieval man couldn't even count much less do mathematics, and engineering truly belongs to us moderns. "
No body made the claim "sucked", not us. We all recognize they produce incredibly durable and beautiful without knowledge, methods and machinery we consider indispensible.
@ Ominous Cowherd
You might enjoy Caliphate by Tom Kratman. See the reviews on Goodreads.
Whether it was an accident or sabotage, I know all Moslem see this as a sign from God. It is time to round them up and kick them out.
God's wake up call to France, as it were. Hopefully the French take the hint before the religion of peace comes back to finish off the job 9/11 style on the cathedral.
The damage to the building is unfortunate, but even though what is lost cannot be replaced, it can be rebuilt, as has happened to many major churches in Christendom throughout history. May the rebuilding of the cathedral lead to a rebuilding of faith in France.
The Pitchfork Rebel wrote:No body made the claim "sucked", not us. We all recognize they produce incredibly durable and beautiful without knowledge, methods and machinery we consider indispensible.
Stop it. Do not go gamma. Stop it now.
@112, time to take that one out of the fiction category.
Let's just hope hippy Francis doesn't embarass us with his response to this...
Even if a big-mouth Imam claimed credit for the fire, I am convinced there is no way in Hell the French government would ever let that get into the news. Truth or not, the repercussions for the burning of Notre Dame Cathedral would be impossible for the government to contain....not just in Paris, or all of France.
These places do not catch fire because nobody is looking. They are not easy to burn and certainly do not burn in time for Easter week. How many times has Notre Dame been struck by lightning in 850 years?
How easily would Canterbury Cathedral burn, or St. Paul in London, or Westminster Cathedral? Various historic cathedrals all over Europe have been bombed from the air, by German, British, and American forces during WWII. They did not burn like newspaper.
Consider me skeptical, but renovations is not a credible reason for the fire....not only this fire, but all the other fires that have been visited on churches in Europe the past few years. Somebody set this fire and we need to find out who, even if the only reason is to absolve muslims of any responsibility.
Many seem to want to blame the Muslims or other various groups, and okay. You want to oppose the Muslims and "other various groups"? Sign me up!
Whether they did it or not, let's burn the mohammedans' cities for it. It's time.
But what if the truth is far worse. What if it was truly an accident. What if the truth is that the Notre Dame Cathedral burnt because of negligence, incompetence, etc?
Could be. Whether evil or incompetence, it would be worse than an enemy attack. Islam delenda est is a great way to start our comeback.
We need to assert Christendom, to advance and to defend it.
Sign me up!
Like the 9/11 scam all over again. Amazing how fast folks fall for the stunt - even if it was really an accident that ((fake news))) et al don't want to go to waste. Wonder if there were dancing Mossadis nearby for this one. The Judeo-Christ, Imperial Field Marshall Benyamin Shapiro and his fellow Satanic Supremacists presently rubbing-hands in the most important country in the world all thank you sincerely for your service, especially once you're in the ummah killin' the hadjis again on their behalf.
Were it not for the (((Talmudic Satanists))) who engineered the mass importation of the Mohammedan Satanists under Kalergi's plan, with the willing help of Masonic and Jesuit Satanists, assorted shuffling Shabbas-goy lickspittles and not a few useful-idiot Christians, there would be far fewer Musloids infesting the countries once known as Christendom like the worthless bloodsucking locusts they are. Even so, they are but the symptom, not the disease.
Those who rule over countries like France - including the police and military - will gladly fire upon those who attempt to start shooting the Musloids in situ directly. You can already go to prison for saying the wrong thing is such "free" countries. The ruling overlords will be quite glad to send you to the poppyfields of Pashtoonistan to continue to protect the assets of the (((opiate racketeers))) though. How soon we forget Curious Jorge's misunderestimated Mesopotamian misadventures.
To retake Christendom from Clown World, one must first identify who its deadliest enemies really are. Musloids, while indeed among its deadly enemies, are actually a bit down on the list from the top. Choose targets wisely. Regimes like those of Macron, May and Merkel need to be overthrown before one can even get to their Musloid clients - and this will not happen by voting (as recently demonstrated on Cuck Island).
Step one is to stop supporting the enemy in any way, shape or form. Once there are enough on board, stop all payment of taxes. Once the badge-gang's pension is down the black hole, things will start to get quite interesting. The faster the debt-racket implodes, the better. There are many who need to be eliminated with zero quarter before their Musloid boots on the ground can be dealt with.
There is good news out of this. The firefighters did a remarkable job, and Notre Dame stands. It has not been destroyed. The relics were all removed, not all of the stained glass has been destroyed, the nave is in surprisingly good shape considering, and even some of the beautiful Rose windows in the towers are still standing.
The structure is intact. The short and sweet is that Notre Dame was damaged but NOT destroyed.
Now the next step: Saving the Cathedral from Macron, who has also promised to rebuild it in accordance with the principles of the "modern, diverse" nation of France!
Wheeeeeeeeee.
But what if the truth is far worse. What if it was truly an accident. What if the truth is that the Notre Dame Cathedral burnt because of negligence, incompetence, etc?
That's twice damning upon modern Christians. And maybe even deserved. We're having obvious trouble sustaining our heritage and protecting our faith.
The Catholic church in my home town - a humble but beautiful example of the American frontier church built in the 1880's - burned down a few years ago after the Diocese abandoned it because it was too expensive to keep up. Bums were camping in it, and their cooking fire got out of control.
But this was probably intentional. Though even so, it was still due to negligence in letting the sort of people who would burn it down into the country in large numbers.
On Gene Wolfe: It was the fist thing I saw Monday morning. I knew it was going to happen sooner or later, but it still shocked me. I will miss him terribly.
Many years ago, he wrote back to a youthful fan when he didn't have to, and sent one of his books as a birthday gift to a complete stranger. It would be pretentious to call him "friend," but I feel I have one less in the world. Indirectly, he helped me in the path of belief. He helped me discover Chesterton. I am very saddened, but it is my hope that today he is with the Increate, walking barefoot on holy ground.
@118- You think they could keep it out of the news? How? It would be an international story. Even if they shut down the internet and t.v. stations, people would find out.
@Omnius Cowheard
''For God and country? Just because? It's always right and proper to kill mohammedans.''
Its more righteous to convert them. For this is the will of our God. That by the power of his spirit he shall have his people.
You know what's even better. If all the Turks became Christian.
And Constantinople will be part of Christian civilization again.
I last visited Paris in 2016 and remember that the line into Notre Dame was too long, but I did visit the Basilica of St. Denis (https://infogalactic.com/info/Basilica_of_St_Denis) the burial place of most of France's kings over the past 1000 years. I learned that after the French Revolution the Basilica was desecrated and all of the royal remains were dumped into a pit and covered with lime (https://uk.tourisme93.com/basilica/desecration-of-the-royal-tombs.html). Presently the tombs are empty and the later disinterred and cremated remains of all the kings are contained in a single urn in the catacombs. St. Denis is also the commune where the 2015 Paris terrorist attack planners were cornered and killed in a massive shootout, suffice to say the area is not very French anymore and doesn't attract nearly as many tourists as Notre Dame despite its fundamental historical importance.
The burning of Notre Dame is a tragedy and quite possibly an act of war, but the symbolism of the cathedral is much diminished by the fact that French churches are emptying and respect for their Catholic/Christian roots and history has been withering for centuries. Even in the early 90s when visiting Paris with my family, there were only three other elderly parishioners at mass on Sunday. As an aspiring historian I grieve for the loss of the priceless treasures contained in Notre Dame and the architectural marvel and it's ornate details themselves, but even more troubling is the fact that if it weren't a major tourist attraction, it probably wouldn't have enough parishioners to sustain itself. 10-20 parishes are closing in France every year, only 12% of French Catholics attend weekly mass, while mosques are sprouting up like wildflowers (https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/france-mosques-skyrocket-church-plummets).
Sadly the Vatican has not been cleansed by fire in toto yet, so we Catholics remain with the beasts squatting there still.
@26- Wasn't St. Denis the one got decapitated and walked around with his head for miles before settling on that spot? I'm sure that story could give Aloha Snackbars nightmares.
John Rockwell wrote:Its more righteous to convert them. For this is the will of our God. That by the power of his spirit he shall have his people.
True enough. If they convert, they are no longer mohammedans. It may still be necessary to kill them. God will know His own.
If we accept conversions, we must not accept them here. They still would not be Americans, and I would prefer not to need an Inquisition to sniff out the Fake Conversos among the Fake Americans.
God takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked, but He still destroys them.
John Rockwell wrote:You know what's even better. If all the Turks became Christian.
We can get there through a combination of conversion, and attrition. Convert the few who will accept Christ, kill off the many who won't. It's going to be mostly attrition, but not quite 100%.
God's Holy Spirit has been working throughout the mohammedan world, appearing in dreams and testifying to Jesus, for those who are ready to receive Him. That is a small minority, as always.
Although God allows us to take part in His work, He doesn't need us to travel there to convert them.
It's strange. I'm a non-denominational Bible believing Christian, but I feel nothing over this Cathedral fire. I felt more anguish at the loss of life in the Mosque in New Zealand than for Notre Dame in flames. I felt more anguish over the ruins of the Parthenon and the historical loss it represents.
I'm genuinely confused.
Is this what demoralization is?
They can convert, but conversion or no they still belong in their own homelands. It is two separate issues; the Nation should revere the Church, but it is not the Church. France belongs to the French, America to Americans. They do not belong to Pan-Christendom
"demoralize: b. to upset or destroy the normal functioning of"
I weep bitterly when my enemies suffer, and feel nothing at the misfortune of my own people.
This is unnatural, and if I hadn't experienced it I would never have believed it.
Scott wrote:I felt more anguish at the loss of life in the Mosque in New Zealand than for Notre Dame in flames. I felt more anguish over the ruins of the Parthenon and the historical loss it represents.
I'm genuinely confused.
Is this what demoralization is?
No, this is what being a massive cuck is.
You're right.
Thank you.
Matthew 7:3-5
"3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
I have a log in my eye. Time to pull it out.
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