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Sunday, April 14, 2019

Psychopaths without the laugh track

Owen Benjamin points out that the four characters of Seinfeld are genuinely worse, from a moral perspective, than any inner-city gang banger or motorcycle gang.
Okay, this is a preyed-upon woman, but the laugh track, that makes this scene normal and everyday. That if a woman is in this scenario, that somehow it's funny. In reality, if you read The Gift of Fear by Gavin Becker, this man will inevitably murder this woman. They always, always, escalate. And there is no one to protect her! Law enforcement, even though there's a bunch of good cops, there's not really a way of enforcing the situation if he just takes down the pictures and denies it. This woman without family is absolutely uvulnerable. And that's what causes her pathology, to make sure that the Soup Nazi lost everything because he wouldn't capitulate to her self-hatred.

Why wouldn't she be creeped out, someone asked? Because the modern women is trained not to listen to her instincts. If a Muslim, dressed like a homeless person and staring at you, gets on your elevator, your gut that says "get off" you immediately say "no, you're being bigoted and Islamophobic, and so you get raped and killed.

When your instincts say, "don't murder your unborn child," and then all the media, all your social cues say, "no, that's the Patriarchy telling you that," you go on that road long enough, you don't have instincts, you're literally a docile cow for the slaughter. You're domesticated beef!

The self-entitled whore is the product of a society that doesn't have strong men to lead them into a safe and productive life.

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Blogger sammibandit April 14, 2019 1:41 PM  

I didn't understand why until yesterday that my mom didn't like me watching that show or even like me playing it where she could hear it. She especially hated the Kathy Griffin one. She used to say they were awful people. I used to brush her off.

I remember watching the finale with my family because by that time mom watched it with us out of staid German schadenfreude. Know they enemy... It was the only episode she laughed at. I asked her why and she said it was the only funny episode since they got their comeuppance. I should have listened to mom. I didn't get what she meant then but I do now.

The exercise Owen did got me thinking about more shows with laugh tracks and horrible characters. Friends was easier to understand as psychopathic. How the friends made fun of altruistic and sweet Phoebe who was intermittently homeless, from an abusive family who didn't want her. She was Smelly CatTM. How they made fun of Joey for being slow and happy-go-lucky though he had a great family and oodles of tenacity to guide him through many rejections.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch April 14, 2019 1:43 PM  

I saw that segment last night. The one with the Seinfield episode without the laugh track. It was great. Hope to show it to many friends soon.

Jewish humor is immature.

Blogger Damn the torpedos April 14, 2019 1:44 PM  

Owen’s analysis of seinfield has actually helped me have compassion for the ((tribe)).

Their constant neurotic rebellion against authority makes them lonely and paranoid.

They need to come to Christ and back into the plans of God. Only then will they find peace.

As it says in romans 11 “Now if their (the Jews) fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!”

Blogger The Masked Menace April 14, 2019 1:46 PM  

A phenomenal dissection of the sitcom "Seinfeld" by Owen Benjamin. Must see unauthorized TV.

Blogger APL April 14, 2019 1:51 PM  

Benjamin may be a smart cookie, but even a midwitt like myself recognised that the 'laugh track' was often there to disguise the fact that the script was not in fact, funny.

That would have been about twenty years ago.,

Blogger doctrev April 14, 2019 1:55 PM  

"The laugh track makes MK Ultra look like herbal tea."

Makes the entire thing worth watching, by itself, less than five minutes in. Owen could have made an entire video just off the one line. Honestly, he's one of the few people that I seriously contemplate watching the entire Unauthorized archive of... at almost 500 episodes!! I want to start with the top ten Owen episodes, whatever those recommended ones are. But if I have to dig out those episodes themselves, I'll do it.

Blogger The Masked Menace April 14, 2019 1:58 PM  

I'd love to watch an hour long episode of Owen Benjamin and E Michael Jones discussing classical music. They touched on it during an interview of EMJ a little while back and it was ABSOLUTELY RIVETING unauthorized TV.

I'd pay to watch it.

Blogger God Emperor Memes April 14, 2019 1:58 PM  

I too loathed the Kathy Griffin episode. - Ginger, ugly AND a big mouth? That ticks all the boxes for my hatred.
I couldn't stand Phoebe, though. I found her character annoying to the point of being enraging.

Blogger sammibandit April 14, 2019 2:02 PM  

This is why hanging out with liberals and leftists is dangerous. I'll tell you a story of when I was like that. Three of my coworkers went out downtown in the capital city one night. A mixed East and West Indian, overweight, intimidating to the face, female twenty something, a pinoy gaymer of 4"11 height twenty something and a woman over 65.

My Indian friend noticed some youths following them for several blocks and eyeing the pinoy gaymer. She was the only one who noticed them following the group and didn't say squat. She didn't do her gut check properly and when the youths physically bashed the pinoy gaymer about 15 minutes later she reported being caught off guard. She reported to being too scared to go to the big cop shop several blocks away to report the crime. She apparently wanted me to absolve her guilt and that's why she told me this story.

If someone is following you in the dark and in downtown you don't go about your way. You fix the problem and/or leave. You don't keep going like you didn't see anything. And you especially don't keep what you see to yourself and assume others have the same information.

I still regret being too sick to go out that night because if I was there I would have acted on noticing they were following the group. Duck in a shop and call the non emergency police line. I asked my Indian friend why she didn't act on noticing they were following and how she felt knowing she could have done something and failed. She said she didn't want to live in hyper-vigilance. That's how you keep your waits about you when you work downtown. No other way.

Our friendship with her didn't last long after that because she couldn't be trusted to act in group self preference. When we made Miis on Wii by committee we made sure to make hers look as unfriendly as possible. Then she got the message.

Blogger Matt April 14, 2019 2:09 PM  

I thought everyone knew this. It was never denied on the show that they're horrible people, and was even parodied within the show. The final episode puts them in prison specifically for that. Larry David continued his story of a horrible person floating through life on "Curb Your Enthusiasm".

Blogger cecilhenry April 14, 2019 2:10 PM  

'Jewish humor is immature.'


I find it usually has a vicious undertone.


It makes you laugh now, but you regret it later.


Jokes on you, as they say.


Blogger Zwiebel April 14, 2019 2:20 PM  

True enough. When I was a teenager, a police officer came to our school and told us, if anyone attempted to rape us, we should just let them, as resisting might get us killed.

Blogger horsewithnonick April 14, 2019 2:29 PM  

Even with a laugh track it's pretty painful.

Blogger Glaivester April 14, 2019 2:29 PM  

I remember (but I can't find it in a quick search) Lawrence Auster once saying that he thought of Seinfeld as a commentary on the difficulty of navigating the arbitrary, capricious, and contradictory rules of a society that has abandoned Truth.

He thought of Seinfeld as basically showing the pointlessness of an existence devoid of truth, and yet that there were signs that there was a truth that was ignored (the "not that there's anything wrong with that" about homosexuality being an example; they were forced to say it was okay, even though that pretty much indicated that maybe deep down they knew it wasn't).

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 14, 2019 2:37 PM  

Seinfeld was at its height right about the time I stopped watching network TV, I want to say around 1995. I can remember all of my co-workers cooing about it and a stupid Seinfeld screensaver making the rounds. I checked it out and though 'what is the fuss all about?' You would be surprised what a long time away from TV does when you try to go back. When the change isn't gradual and it's a shock. Things that other people don't even notice stand out like a sore thumb.

Blogger Bellomy April 14, 2019 2:47 PM  

That was obviously the joke the whole time, if the finale didn't make that exceedingly clear.

Blogger Doom April 14, 2019 2:49 PM  

It was an extremely fascinating perspective; I encourage people to listen to Benjamin's thoughts and observations on this.

Blogger Robert What? April 14, 2019 2:56 PM  

Seinfeld was vile and decadent and tells you everything you need to know about Jewish so called humor. It is never uplifting.

Blogger D E K April 14, 2019 2:57 PM  

Watch this 2 minutes of Ross from Friends without laugh track....like a psycho...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4H6Ux3l75Rc

But I still like George Costanza character from Seinfeld.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis April 14, 2019 3:05 PM  

Any idea when the accelerated playback feature will be implemented?

Blogger Constantin April 14, 2019 3:09 PM  

"Top Female comedians talk and sound like someone reading suicide statistics in a monotone."

That's one hilarious line. Owen has been on a roll lately. And Seinfeld bashing is always welcome; it was never a funny show and it was always ugly underneath.

Blogger Captain Barnacles April 14, 2019 3:09 PM  

That was great. I’ll have yo watch the rest later, but the stuff with the soup nazi was eye opening.

Owen is an intelligent guy. I’m going to check out his videos.

He’s absolutely correct in noticing the difference between Israeli’s and American Jews.
It’s like the difference between Red State Americans and Soy Boys.
Some of these Israeli guys, especially veterans, I would not want to cross in a bar fight. The jews I know here would just collapse into the fetal position, then sue everyone who touched them.

Blogger Neil Patrick Carris April 14, 2019 3:14 PM  

I used to love Seinfeld ... when I was a brainwashed, leftist, atheistic douche.

There was also an episode where Elaine wouldn't date a guy because he was pro life. Besides that he was perfect. In the beginning she didn't know where he stood, and there was a big build up to finding out where he stood. Of course, with the laugh track sympathising with her incredibly difficult circumstance.

This isn't funny at all. Owen is right ... Her character is truly psychopathic.

Blogger Matt April 14, 2019 3:17 PM  

It's true.

I mean even in the final episode they at least all go on trial, all the characters whose lives they ruined are there as witnesses and they end up going to jail.

Blogger Barbarossa April 14, 2019 3:36 PM  

I think there's a micro-laugh track and a macro one. The micro one is on the show. If the show is bad enough or if the track isn't synched with the actual amusing parts, no amount of puff advertising during the NFL playoffs can make people enjoy it.

Then there's the macro track where everyone around you is telling you how funny it is. I experienced that with Seinfeld while I was attending an MBA program. I sat and watched an episode with my classmates and did not laugh a single time, didn't even actually find any of it the least bit amusing (and for the record, my tastes are base enough that I loved 'Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure', so no high-brow I). My observation to my baffled compatriots was that the characters were bitter and miserable losers, and anyone who found themselves identifying with any of them needed a reevaluation of their existence quickly. Needless to say, I wasn't the popular kid of the class. Alas.

To Owen's point, though, it's easy to identify and shrug off the micro laugh track. Much harder to identify the societal macro one that has people laughing at all the wrong things.

Blogger Curlytop April 14, 2019 4:03 PM  

When Jerry Seinfield was interviewed during the show's heyday, he said, that(paraphrasing) these characters were truly awful,petty, selfish people that you would never associate w. He added that the show was generally about nothing except pointing out people's worst traits that no one in polite company would discuss.

Blogger Masha K. April 14, 2019 4:06 PM  

Never watched the show when it aired because the characters were so aggressively obnoxious. But I ended up seeing most of the episodes eventually, and it's pretty clear they're written as obnoxious on purpose. It's a parody of rich, entitled Manhattanites Not all of them Jewish, BTW. George Costanza is Italian; I'm suprtised Owen missed that one and kept calling him a Jew. I thought the ending was marvelous, with them getting exactly what they deserved, which just supports the idea that they were never meant to be anything but terrible people doing terrible things. The humor comes from laughing at them, not with them.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim April 14, 2019 4:15 PM  

This is a show that is nearing thirty years in age. The propaganda has festered and worsened since then. The kids haven’t been alright for several decades

Blogger Wayne April 14, 2019 4:35 PM  

Anyone that watched Seinfeld and imagined that they would like to be friends with any of the characters in real life missed the entire premise of the show. Each one is a reprehensible person that you would avoid if you met them. Understanding that I found the show hilarious

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook April 14, 2019 4:44 PM  

The Big Bang Theory is full of horrible people too. If the apartment was to burn down with the full cast inside that would be the best ending.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums April 14, 2019 5:09 PM  

One other show that needs to be put in contrast with Seinfeld is It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. Both successful comedy shows with eerily similar plots and characters. The difference between the two is very clear and it's also the reason why the latter is still ongoing: in Seinfeld you're laughing with the characters, in IASIP you're laughing at the characters.

In Seinfeld the characters are portrayed as heroes with a desirable lifestyle, in IASIP they're portrayed as despicable human beings whose only value is to be pointed and laughed at but it's the same type of protagonists. One has a laugh track, the other doesn't. One was made by jews, the other by americans. One failed the test of time, the other one didn't.

Blogger Raker_T April 14, 2019 5:18 PM  

I've seen all of 2 OB videos. The first was good I guess, don't remember it; must not have been paying attention. I just watched one where he imitates Bob Dylan and talks about his career. Owen Benjamin rocks, the guy is great.

Blogger tdcommenter April 14, 2019 6:09 PM  

Wow. If the Elaine scene were changed to black & white and set to the Halloween theme (or similar music), it would be more appropriate.

Blogger VD April 14, 2019 6:17 PM  

Any idea when the accelerated playback feature will be implemented?

It is scheduled for May 1, 2019.

Blogger Cloudbuster April 14, 2019 6:24 PM  

Masha K. wrote:Never watched the show when it aired because the characters were so aggressively obnoxious. But I ended up seeing most of the episodes eventually, and it's pretty clear they're written as obnoxious on purpose. It's a parody of rich, entitled Manhattanites Not all of them Jewish, BTW. George Costanza is Italian; I'm suprtised Owen missed that one and kept calling him a Jew. I thought the ending was marvelous, with them getting exactly what they deserved, which just supports the idea that they were never meant to be anything but terrible people doing terrible things. The humor comes from laughing at them, not with them.

The actor who plays him is Jewish and aside from the name, there's nothing Italian about the way he's played. He's played as a neurotic urban Manhattan Jew, through and through.

Blogger Lovekraft April 14, 2019 6:25 PM  

Larry David likely has genius-level comedic writing. The question is whether his creativity is coming from a pure position, or one tainted by greed and power. Watched an documentary on him recently and the thing I gained from his early years in comedy was a rebel, peripheral and focused.

I also heard this morning Steve Martin interviewed by Moses Znaimer's daughter, Libby, (Moses is/was Canada's major entertainment mogul). She asked Martin what the difference between comedy today and back then is. He replied 'back then it was hard to get in but the competition was minimal. Today it's easy to get in but the competition is massive.'

I just wonder if David was a creation, or a creator. Did he do the bidding of an certain subsect, or do people like him have enough drive and fortitude to lead the mass?

Blogger Nate73 April 14, 2019 6:37 PM  

Is there a way to edit the laugh tracks out of the show entirely? Might be a good project for some enterprising film student.

Blogger JC April 14, 2019 6:57 PM  

"I remember watching the finale with my family because by that time mom watched it with us out of staid German schadenfreude. Know they enemy... It was the only episode she laughed at. I asked her why and she said it was the only funny episode since they got their comeuppance. I should have listened to mom. I didn't get what she meant then but I do now. "

My mother couldn't stand it either.

I got into the show relatively late in its run and I remember all the long time fans hating the finale. I thought it was perfect seeing all four get punished. They managed to cause so much misery without breaking any laws.

I used to call the show "Four Selfish Jews". I do think Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David were quite open about the nature of the characters as someone mentioned above. There is so much narcissism in society (and Seinfeld did its part), that people often don't register selfish, nasty behavior unless they are the victims of it.

Blogger Uncephalized April 14, 2019 7:08 PM  

@Nate73 sounds like a job for a deep-learning AI developer. Train the machine to identify the laugh track as opposed to the show audio and strip it out.

Blogger Greg Hunt April 14, 2019 8:04 PM  

"Not all of them Jewish, BTW. George Costanza is Italian; I'm suprtised Owen missed that one and kept calling him a Jew."

The George Costanza character was based on Larry David himself. The only thing Italian about that character was the name.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 14, 2019 8:31 PM  

I watched that last night. And he's right.
Back in the 1990s there were two popular shows that brainwashed everybody: Seinfeld and Friends. Sex and the City would follow up.
Given that there are people sold on the idea that the AR-15 didn't exist since the second amendment was written and hence should be nullified, I am convinced that since TV didn't exist since the first amendment was written then it's time to do away from free speech. That is, it needs the same treatment that capitalism is in need of: "Do what you want as long as you are not screwing civilization".
And since 2A does not let me have a city-busting ICBM....

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) April 14, 2019 9:08 PM  

This is why the final episode of Seinfeld was so poorly received at the time - it actually pointed out all of this vile behavior and took the characters to task for it.

I've pretty much come to see sitcoms as mass cultural programming. They collectively create a kind of psychic milieu in which what is normal is defined by what you see on the tv. TV families are normal. If yours is different in some way, then yours falls short.

Fortunately for me, I grew up in the 80s and my tv cultural milieu was The A-Team, MacGyver, and Knight Rider.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel April 14, 2019 9:12 PM  

"The Big Bang Theory is full of horrible people too. If the apartment was to burn down with the full cast inside that would be the best ending."

Yes, and the idea of a foul-mouthed Jewish woman portraying a lapsed Polish Catholic who marries the singularly most perverted character and slowly morphs into his never seen Jewish mother in a show filled with perverted characters seems like "cultural appropriation to me.

Blogger Jack Amok April 14, 2019 9:34 PM  

Jerry Seinfield ...said, that(paraphrasing) these characters were truly awful,petty, selfish people that you would never associate w. ... the show was generally about nothing except pointing out people's worst traits that no one in polite company would discuss.

Which raises the question, why would someone think that's funny? Why would someone make a TV series with that as the premise?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 14, 2019 9:39 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:And since 2A does not let me have a city-busting ICBM....

It's not the 2nd Amendment that's stopping you ... just sayin'.

Blogger JAG April 14, 2019 10:37 PM  

Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) wrote:

Fortunately for me, I grew up in the 80s and my tv cultural milieu was The A-Team, MacGyver, and Knight Rider.


Tap the breaks on MacGyver. It was the first show I noticed a definite lefty bias as a youngin'. Just rewatch some of the shows knowing now what you know. You won't be able to deny it. The show was pozzed trash.

Blogger God Emperor Memes April 14, 2019 10:43 PM  

CharDee MacDennis

Blogger Roman Daoist April 14, 2019 11:05 PM  

It's the sarcasm. People learn from modelled experience. If that modelled experience is of bad people then that is what WILL be learnt - and immitated. People shouldn't be allowed to consume sarcasm until they're at least 18, preferably 25.

Consider the Simpsons, it's all sarcastic but how many kids can know that? 'Family is a burden' is one of the standard sarcasms that I wish would just go away - and has probably been more singly responsible for family breakdown than anything else (in lock-step with no-fault-divorce).

BAN SARCASM.

(My head hurts not knowing whether or not I'm being sarcastic.)

Blogger Didas Kalos April 14, 2019 11:28 PM  

Having never watched a single episode of the show and seeing that stunned look on people's face when telling them is so much fun. And it's apparent that I missed ...... Nothing!

Blogger Roman Daoist April 14, 2019 11:28 PM  

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Fortunately for me, I grew up in the 80s and my tv cultural milieu was The A-Team, MacGyver, and Knight Rider.
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(And Alf.)

And the cartoons/ kids shows were He-Man, Mighy Mouse, Voltron, Thunderbirds. Not a lot of soy-boy, feminist bullcrap there. Just guys getting shit DONE. Now there is SheZow, a cartoon about a boy that becomes a super-girl-hero, thing, complete with mascara and high-heels. My soul cries.

Blogger Talios Hammerfist April 14, 2019 11:48 PM  

This was an odd but entertaining story. Thanks.

Blogger TRS April 14, 2019 11:50 PM  

Laughtracks are from the pit of Hell....always hated them...my kids thought it was funny that I would not watch Any show with that subversive, mind-altering, annoying laughtrack....pure evil....

Blogger Don't Call Me Len April 15, 2019 12:38 AM  

Larry David likely has genius-level comedic writing.

Curb Your Enthusiasm was the ne plus ultra of Jewish neurotic self-involvement and was not funny at all. David is the King of Kvetching, not comedy.

(George is) played as a neurotic urban Manhattan Jew, through and through.

And his parents are completely stereotypical New York Jewish parents.

And if we're talking weird physiogs, Julia Louis-Dreyfus has the very model of the witch's face with that chin, allied with some serious money choppers.

Blogger SciVo April 15, 2019 1:31 AM  

Say, is there a schedule for Owen's livestreams? The Darkstreams are 7 p.m. Eastern/4 p.m. Pacific, right?

Blogger RA April 15, 2019 1:55 AM  

I never liked Seinfeld. Just could not get into it because the characters left me cold. About Friends, I didn't find it compelling though I didn't actively dislike it so I never bothered to keep up with it. Sex in the City required HBO which even then when I had cable, I was too cheap to spring for it. Watched it once at a friend's house and quickly decided I wasn't missing anything.

Now I thank goodness I was not alone in this respect. Seemed like I was the oddball back in the day. Should been hanging out with you guys.

Blogger wreckage April 15, 2019 3:23 AM  

Wasn't the entire point of Seinfield that the main characters were actually incredibly horrible people? Wasn't that the joke?

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) April 15, 2019 3:40 AM  

@JAG

Yeah, it's true. He was against guns and wouldn't use them - but then of course he didn't need a gun because he had a Swiss army knife. I guess that mullet was actually just a hippie haircut updated for the 80s.

Blogger Paul M April 15, 2019 3:42 AM  

> The final episode puts them in prison specifically for that.

They're not in prison. They are in hell. They didn't actually survive the plane crash. In the afterlife they were judged with a simple opportunity to do the right thing rather than be selfish, and they failed. They'll spend the rest of eternity in that prison cell with each other for company.

Blogger Unknown April 15, 2019 3:59 AM  

I live in a leftist country (Norway) and what all those who say that the characters were meant to be reprehensible and that was the joke clearly don't know leftists very well. My local news paper rewards and enhance such behaviour seen on the show regurarly. The last time it was about a young woman who "missed her brother's last living minutes because of the terrible airline that wouldn't let her board the plane" but the reason was she was ten minutes late. So seeing her brother wasn't only not important enough to her to be on time but it was the airline's fault for expecting her to follow the rules. And this happens all the time. Such people , and especially women, think their immature behaviour is acceptable because of shows like Seinfeldt. They're CHILDREN!

Camilla M

Blogger PJW Gent April 15, 2019 6:50 AM  

I never like Seinfeld and never understood why it was so popular. The characters always seemed mean and vindictive to me with their bad behavior accepted and laughed off. It also disturbed me that some of the people I knew who slobbered over the program where despicably two-faced themselves. I wish I could delete every copy, everywhere.

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 15, 2019 7:32 AM  

After the burn I got from the finale 21 years ago, it’s not even worth a look when I flip channels.

Hell, even the Festivus memes suck, so much so that I refer to 23 December as it’s proper commemoration: The Feast of the Immaculate Reception.

Blogger Nate April 15, 2019 8:48 AM  

I don't think this is insightful given that there are multiple Seinfeld episodes dedicated to pointing out what objectively horrible people they all are.

Blogger LES April 15, 2019 9:16 AM  

I never followed the show. The "Soup Nazi" episode seemed to me that by calling the soup man a Nazi they were entitled to annoy and destroy him to show how they would have the courage to resist the real Nazis.

Any time is the right time to punch a "Nazi."

Blogger CarpeOro April 15, 2019 9:42 AM  

I was never a fan of either Friends or Seinfeld. The only reason I'd watch them was if someone else was watching them. I found none of the characters likable - there wasn't one I'd want to hang out with in real life. Neither was very funny outside of the group induced pressure to think they were - I'd never watch them alone.

Big Bang Theory, I find funny for how blatantly wrong they are about so much. These aren't nerds they a portraying, they are geeks (yes there is a difference). The Leonard character is supposedly non-Jewish, but he and the character's mother and father (played by Judd Hirsch). They are all so passive-aggressive or condescending that in real life I'd have walked away from them in a few minutes to avoid the frustration/antipathy. Not to mention all the pc-science they spout.

Blogger PJW Gent April 15, 2019 9:49 AM  

Captain Barnacles wrote:That was great. I’ll have yo watch the rest later, but the stuff with the soup nazi was eye opening.

Owen is an intelligent guy. I’m going to check out his videos.

He’s absolutely correct in noticing the difference between Israeli’s and American Jews.

It’s like the difference between Red State Americans and Soy Boys.

Some of these Israeli guys, especially veterans, I would not want to cross in a bar fight. The jews I know here would just collapse into the fetal position, then sue everyone who touched them.


The difference between those who have skin in the game and (((those))) who have gamed the system.

Blogger RedPill Angel April 15, 2019 10:00 AM  

Every woman should read Gavin Becker's "The Gift of Fear."

Blogger Nate April 15, 2019 10:04 AM  

I mean the last scene of the last episode is jerry in prison doing stand up. They are all in jail in the end. No one ever pretended these were anything but horrible people.

Blogger Rex Leroy King April 15, 2019 10:23 AM  

Laugh tracks are the usury of humor.

Blogger Rex Leroy King April 15, 2019 10:32 AM  

Nate, you're whooshing past the point. This idea that horrible people's horrible behavior is funny... where did it come from?

Blogger Balam April 15, 2019 12:16 PM  

Nate wrote:No one ever pretended these were anything but horrible people.

You're not the only one who said that 'obviously Seinfeld is not meant to be taken as role model behavior' in this thread but you're the newest comment so I'll riff off of you.

Seinfeld has totally permeated american and even world culture as positive behavior that is used as the default 'funny' and 'acceptable' behavior. Perhaps it even helped shift the overton window on acceptable urban behavior towards the petty, vain and downright meanspirited. The evidence I have is circumstantial but interesting.

Roosh V, famed pickup artist, wrote a guide back in 2012 for people just starting out in game.
https://www.rooshv.com/the-roosh-program

Seinfeld is mentioned only in a small segment but let me copy paste it here:
"4. Watch one episode of Seinfeld a day. Seinfeld is an American comedy program that will teach you two things: (1) how to spit humor that girls like, and (2) how to have long, meandering conversations (i.e. how to ramble). What’s great about the show is that it offers quintessential American humor that will be well-received anywhere in the country, and even in foreign countries as well. I’ve lost count how many times I’ve successfully used word-for-word bits from the show in my pickups. The best time to watch an episode is right before heading out to approach. You can find used DVDs of the show for only a few bucks."

This is straight from the mouth of a guy who empirically went out and had sex with women, probably mostly urbanites, all around the planet. A guy who is a self professed hyena on the corpse of western civilization is telling you that the humor in Seinfeld will get you comfort if you emulate it, or at least perform it.

What I mean by this is that this is experimentally verified by a guy with skin in the game. All 'modern' wisdom is theorycraft that can't be verified more than 40-50% of the time, and so anyone who can actually show results is going to be more likely to be a truth seeker. The impact of Seinfeld in changing people's standard of acceptable, even desirable, behavior is undeniable.

Blogger sammibandit April 15, 2019 1:29 PM  

RememberTM how the show made fun of the Mandelbaums for being a male multi-gen family into sports? I never read that family as Jewish but rather German. The show took what is a rather old fella doing something sporty into a farce of old age.

Just like when Jerry took the marbled rye (a German staple) from the old lady.

Funny.

Blogger Robert the Wise April 16, 2019 7:28 AM  

Seinfeld Pitch Meeting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAk7ZmMMkxg

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 17, 2019 8:33 PM  

George Costanza is a product of a Jewish mother and an Italian father. It's a very known type of marriage, according to Vicki Iovine, who wrote an advice column. It's a stormy, prickly combination, apparently.

Cosimo Kramer lives in the building. He is not careful with his habits. He shorted out the electricity for the building with his indoor hot tub. He installed smuggled shower-heads to circumvent low-flow regulations put in by the city. He was a normal enough person at the start. The famous backwards episode shows him meeting Jerry Seinfeld, when Seinfeld moves into the building.

Elaine Bennis is based on an actual human being. There's an essay online by her friend who moved to New York City to live the downtown Manhattanite lifestyle. The real Elaine Bennis got married, had children, and moved far away from New York City. The women that the character stands in for are also sort of documented by Candace Bushnell, in her columns and books. Ms Bushnell points out that these are the also-rans of their small towns. Statistically, not pretty enough to get married young, or so mentally scarred by one thing or another that they are not capable of normal life.

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