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Sunday, April 21, 2019

The Empire is already over

Dmitry Orlov asserts that the US empire has already ended:
Dmitry Orlov: I think that the American empire is very much over already, but it hasn’t been put to any sort of serious stress test yet, and so nobody realizes that this is the case. Some event will come along which will leave the power center utterly humiliated and unable to countenance this humiliation and make adjustments. Things will go downhill from there as everyone in government in media does their best to pretend that the problem doesn’t exist. My hope is that the US military personnel currently scattered throughout the planet will not be simply abandoned once the money runs out, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if that is what happens.

The Saker: Lastly, a similar but fundamentally different question: can the US (as opposed to the Empire) survive Trump and, if so, how? Will there be a civil war? A military coup? Insurrection? Strikes? A US version of the Yellow Vests?

Dmitry Orlov: The US, as some set of institutions that serves the interests of some dwindling number of people, is likely to continue functioning for quite some time. The question is: who is going to be included and who isn’t? There is little doubt that retirees, as a category, have nothing to look forward to from the US: their retirements, whether public or private, have already been spent. There is little doubt that young people, who have already been bled dry by poor job prospects and ridiculous student loans, have nothing to look forward to either.

But, as I’ve said before, the US isn’t so much a country as a country club. Membership has its privileges, and members don’t care at all what life is like for those who are in the country but aren’t members of the club. The recent initiatives to let everyone in and to let non-citizens vote amply demonstrates that US citizenship, by itself, counts for absolutely nothing. The only birthright of a US citizen is to live as a bum on the street, surrounded by other bums, many of them foreigners from what Trump has termed “shithole countries.”

It will be interesting to see how public and government workers, as a group, react to the realization that the retirements they have been promised no longer exist; perhaps that will tip the entire system into a defunct state. And once the fracking bubble is over and another third of the population finds that it can no longer afford to drive, that might force through some sort of reset as well. But then the entire system of militarized police is designed to crush any sort of rebellion, and most people know that. Given the choice between certain death and just sitting on the sidewalk doing drugs, most people will choose the latter....

At this rate, when the end of the US finally arrives, most of the people won’t be in a position to notice while the rest won’t be capable of absorbing that sort of upsetting information and will choose to ignore it. Everybody wants to know how the story ends, but that sort of information probably isn’t good for anyone’s sanity.
I wouldn't bet on the militarized police myself. When even proper militaries can't defeat lightly armed insurgencies, no matter how cool their black tactical gear may be, the police don't stand a chance. These questions will be determined, as always, by the side that has the higher and more resilient morale.

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91 Comments:

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 21, 2019 8:06 AM  

Very perspicacious in everything but the police part. Police who aren't getting their retirements either won't be dependable for much of anything to much of anyone.

Blogger W. P. Harrison April 21, 2019 8:28 AM  

I agree with V.D. about the police. They’re the biggest threat when it comes to a state vs citizen revolt—most of them will side with the state, as opposed to the military, 3/4 of whom will desert—but it will be in vain. Too many of them are poorly trained and overzealous, and those ones who will fight against the people are only capable of securing the simple city terrain they’ve been patrolling.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 21, 2019 8:28 AM  

"Morale" No it's military hardware according to the hardware geeks on that comment thread to the interview. They truly are like Hitler in the bunker moving phantom divisions around the map board. In the future I see some three chinned pud pounding out on the keyboard the tech stats for the F-35 as the vibrant paperwork Americans are torching his house.

Blogger Miguel April 21, 2019 8:30 AM  

And, as the Zundel "prophecy" goes, Americans have 1) guns and 2) a spirit of rejecting tirany.

War is coming.

Blogger ZhukovG April 21, 2019 8:44 AM  

Christ is Risen!

I like The Saker, but he seems to be somewhat myopic when it comes to President Trump. Unable to see beyond the most superficial of explanations.

But the basic premise here is correct, The American Empire and its associated Union is done for. I agree with you that 50-100 million dead is the likely butcher's bill.

What we build next that should be the focus of our nationalist energy. I am optimistic.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 21, 2019 9:06 AM  

Well nobody back in the days of Western Rome could have said when it was officially over. Only we have that luxury, looking back. But historians still debate the official "it's over" date. We end up settling on "It was not built in a day so it was not over in a day".

I'm glad it's over. What does having an empire mean anyway? It means you attract the worst of the worst, and even [they special] worst who will do everything in their power to subvert, lie, take over, corrupt - pretty much everything - and if it takes generations to do it, that does not stop them. It's like a cult. And they all have their reasons, ranging from neurosis to a need to control a military to grind down other countries that they could not take over.

Now that the Empire is gone, can we go back to not having to police the world? Can we put our soldiers on our own border now? Can we not let in everybody and their brother (and extended family and relatives)? Can we do things that other cultures don't like and tell them to piss off?

Probably not. There's still too much money at stake. Or maybe those who also know the empire is going down want to cash in on the dead cat bounce so they can get a 10 bedroom house in New Zealand instead of a 6 bedroom house.

Blogger sykes.1 April 21, 2019 9:30 AM  

As a retired American living on a state pension in rural Ohio, Orlov, the Saker, and Beale are scary reading.

But no one here has any concerns about or interests in the Empire, oil supplies or Russia or really anything. Trump consumes all the air. There is nothing else to talk about. Maybe the opioid epidemic, but that is treated locally as merely a police matter.

Wherever this ship is going, everyone, including the crew, is in the casino placing bets on red and black.

Blogger Johnny April 21, 2019 9:34 AM  

It is not over until it is over and its not over yet. I anticipate the blowup will be economic at core. That is, it is when the economy tanks that things will get crazy, and that is so many years away. The politics will drive the economics, and the economics will drive the military or police action.

Blogger Doug April 21, 2019 9:42 AM  

He is risen indeed!

Blogger MichaelJMaier April 21, 2019 9:45 AM  

The cops are mostly stupid, fat and lazy. They mostly only to seem to care about "officer safety" and when all bets are off, no one will openly side with them.

They can't shoot straight, either. Most only train just enough to pass their tests. Which by their nature cannot be setting the bar very high.

I suppose it's going to be very ugly and unpredictable.

Blogger Doug April 21, 2019 9:45 AM  

I started "prepping" back just before Obama got elected. I could see the signs of an economic collapse on the horizon. I like Trump a lot and voted for him quite eagerly. But I will say that the spending on the part of the govt has me concerned. Between the economic irresponsibility and the invasion of foreigners who share nothing in common with Christian/American values, a civil war of some magnitude seems quite inevitable.
I think the Lords return is quite close.

Blogger pyrrhus April 21, 2019 9:53 AM  

Police live in the same areas as the proles, and generally are less competent shooters. Absent compelling financial incentives, most will take a pass...And in the West, many Sheriffs have already indicated that they stand with the public, and will not enforce unconstitutional firearms laws...

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira April 21, 2019 9:57 AM  

Cool black tactical gear VS Mish mash of various camouflage and vintage kit.

My money is on the mish mash, especially if they are heavy into the olive drab. Just a gut feeling.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira April 21, 2019 9:58 AM  

That video is great, isn't it?

Blogger Spud April 21, 2019 10:03 AM  

My father told me that during his first tour in Iraq you were not allowed to fire upon an enemy unless they fired upon you first. By his last tour he wasn't allowed to fire unless fired upon twice (by this time he was working as a civilian contractor). Diversity isn't the only problem. The rules of engagement have dramatically changed so that we have essentially crippled ourselves. Break the rules by preemptively defending yourself? Life in prison for murder.

Blogger Brett baker April 21, 2019 10:04 AM  

Well, The Saker DOES seem to ignore China taking over more and more of Russia's economy. I suspicion his intellectual descendants will talk longingly of the Goid Old Days when they just had to deal with the "Anglo-Zionist" empire.

Blogger Gettimothy April 21, 2019 10:06 AM  

The author's perspective is from the outside looking in and equates the fedgov with the Nation.
Be does not see the massive self arming and self organization of Americans in preparation for killing these tyrants.


He has no concept of the once whispered, now openly discussed prospect of civil war and the determination of our people to end this emergent tyranny.

Regarding the proximate cause of the implosion, consider it already happened. Trump.

What we see now is the globalist deep state playing defense. It stands exposed at the growing margin of people with the eyes to see it.

The author cannot see the depth of feeling and determination to reclaim what God blessed us with. Liberty, Peace and God Himself is still in our bones.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma April 21, 2019 10:08 AM  

@4 Miguel,
Zundel had his house firebombed and was later imprisoned for disseminating Truth aka Hate Think.
We'll see how prophetic he turns out to be.
They try to erase his history, but the goyim already know.
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Ernst Zundel Warns Americans about Gun Control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqOEsGWKgYg

Nobody has ever analyzed why the German nation, that had more Nobel Prize winners and more famous researchers and scientists and was one of the best educated countries in Europe, turn on the Jews. Why did these good Germans turn on the Jews? Who had more Jews living amongst them than even percentage-wise live in United States today. Why was that, hm? Jews never ask themselves this question.
Yeah, I can give you the answer. Please. Because they displayed the same voracious ethnocentrism, power grabbing, influence peddling, buying of politicians, dominating of the public airwaves and the public media in Germany, and so on that they display in the United States.
I'm not much of a prophet but that much I can say based on history, that in United States, mark my word, you will have Weimar conditions and you'll have solutions to the Weimar conditions. It will be very similar to what happened in Germany.
You mean the final solution will be repeated in the United States?
Whatever the Holocaust bore you have got one in your future.
How soon?
That depends entirely on how long the people the power structure in the Western world is going to stay on top. I mean if you look at East Germany how quickly it collapsed or the former Soviet Union how quickly it collapsed with all its Secret Services, spy agencies, NKVD, and Stassi's it imploded so quickly. I have no idea, but there is no doubt in my mind that if you look at history, and the trends in history, the United States is heading in the same direction. And there's only one difference: in the United States they're enough guns out on the street and enough lawlessness in the public and a revolutionary spirit that founded that Republic. This is not Germany where the only people that had guns were the hunters and soldiers and policemen. The United States is armed to the teeth. They have a spirit of revolution in their blood. Their heroes are people who turn against what they call tyranny a foreign occupiers and so on.
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full version:
Ernst Zundel Interviewed by an Israeli journalist 1996 GREAT medium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1BigVZifAY

Blogger mgh April 21, 2019 10:09 AM  

The timing is the great unknown. Many people have assumed it was going to happen any day now since about 2008, and yet here we are. As to the government worker retirements, some like Illinois are gone, but the government can fake it for at least another 5 years. Most are in the process of being blown, but they have another 20 or 25 years before they get to the Illinois stage. Of course an economic meltdown of never seen before proportions can accelerate those timelines dramatically.

Blogger sammibandit April 21, 2019 10:39 AM  

The situation is reminding me of the German one at the end of the war. Citizens left for dead. Sometimes their youngest kids were taken by the state. It's kind of funny seeing something others irl didn't until very recently. I spent my whole life, which isn't very long, telling people they absolutely cannot trust the government or anyone licensed by it. That communism didn't fall, it just moved west. That you especially cannot trust teachers because they are spies and saboteurs. I guess one needs to know their audience because until recently it was like talking to a brick wall.

Brief aside, I've been meaning to get this message out. The muslim hoard will not be kind to aboriginals/natives. They are pagan. They love tobacco. It's a token of respect to give as a gift. We have a duty to protect people and given the land we have it's more pressing to protect it's people.

Blogger Gastguma April 21, 2019 10:47 AM  

Is the Federal government going to go for a complete power grab or is it just going to stop functioning? If the former, then we have Civil War 2. If the latter, then it won't be so bad, because the states would basically just become their own countries. Negative effects would be limited to diverse and corrupt states like CA, whereas fiscally responsible and ethnically stable states would come out relatively unscathed.

Blogger peacefulposter April 21, 2019 10:59 AM  

Given that the US govt debt is entirely in US dollars, it will not go bankrupt as Dmitry is implying. Employees and Retirees will get their paychecks.

But his conclusion is still correct. The US Empire is over.

Blogger Roman Daoist April 21, 2019 11:02 AM  

A prediction for if there's structural collapse in the US:
'Humanitarian aid' and 'reconstruction' care of the remaining super-powers. China and Russia stake respective claims on chunks of the former USA "to help the people" and to "stop potentially dangerous weapons [nukes] falling into the hands of terrorists".

And as for the popular response, if their camps were the only places that could guarentee safety (as much as anywhere could be safe), how many would keep themselves and their kids away - let alone try to fight them?

Blogger DonReynolds April 21, 2019 11:13 AM  

Anyone with an interest in history can always find convenient cut-and-paste stories and fit them into the future. The better ones are like a physician trying to diagnose a patient during the very early stages of a disease, when the symptoms are so mild or weak that poor health habits and drug/alcohol abuse may actually be more of a health problem. But the patient is neurotic and a hypochondriac, convinced that their discomforts must be the onset of an unspecified terminal illness.

Will it be revolution and/or civil war? One often follows the other. There are several to pick from in the near past. Or will it be more like the fall of an empire, the ancient Roman being the most frequently cited?

My own nominee for most analogous historical example would be what started out as fascist Italy in 1922 and dissolved under the pressure of world war and foreign invasion, rebellion, shifting governments and alliances, economic collapse, and finally impotence and irrelevance. This was all in the span of a three confused decades.

The Leftists can cast Donald Trump as Il Duce and Obama as King Victor Emanuel, without the 46 years of experience. The Italian nation fell from the heady perch of major world power to being little more than a battlefield for opposing foreign armies, while the former mighty were hunted like animals by heroic Leftist guerrilla resistance fighters. Plenty of examples of everything going wrong at about the same time.

I nominate modern fascist Italy because I expect that we do not get to pick our own poison. Even if we pick a poison, there may be other poisons slipped into the cup as well by occasion and opportunists. And while war is the most visible outward signal of continual destruction, there is also pretended authority, impotence, and utter confusion. The US government may end up being every bit as persistent in irrelevancy and illusion, long after any real power and loyalty has evaporated.

Blogger Robert What? April 21, 2019 11:28 AM  

Why would government pension payouts end? The Fed could just print as much money as they want. The money might be utterly worthless, but it will still be deposited in retiree accounts.

Blogger Steb April 21, 2019 11:50 AM  

Do you agree with his assertion that ethnoi have a limited lifespan, and that the Europeans have reached the end of theirs?

Blogger Stilicho April 21, 2019 11:50 AM  

A Russian and Jew engaging in grandmaster level projection of their own cultures onto Americans. The US empire is disintegrating, just not in the manner they hope for. The kernel of truth in the quoted section is that it will take a real life stress test to make the disintegration apparent to all. The rest is worthless wish porn and projection.

Blogger Jack Ward April 21, 2019 12:02 PM  

@VD These questions will be determined, as always, by the side that has the higher and more resilient morale.

And, those most desperate to save their families. In the extremist, were I a cop, I would gather those other cops I could, all the hardware practical and join a reliable militia. And, I would have researched those local militias very carefully. And, probably made overtures long before it hits the fan.
You got to do your homework, you know.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 21, 2019 12:15 PM  

But then the entire system of militarized police is designed to crush any sort of rebellion, and most people know that. Given the choice between certain death and just sitting on the sidewalk doing drugs, most people will choose the latter....

*snort* Sorry. No.

The civil war we have brewing is very unusual. Rural versus Urban.

And the Urban side is incredibly fragile.

As for police there is an estimated 750 to 850 thousand in the USA, versus a population of 300,000,000 plus. And I honestly don't see anywhere near 100% of the cops shifting from crime management to regime protection.

In this country most (although I freely admit not all) of the people who pull a trigger for lean to the Right to one degree or another.

Dmitry Orlov has been here since he was 12 but his instincts regarding the Checka are purely Russian.

And I am getting yelled at for writing about politics on Easter. See you tomorrow.

Blogger justaguy April 21, 2019 12:34 PM  

While I thought that D.O. had some interesting thoughts on Ukraine and do not know enough about the history of Ukraine to argue with him, I think that his black pill speculation of the US is utterly ridiculous. He did not put any timeline on his misgivings, put no limit to the issues, and basically just said the US sucks. It is easy to argue against his thesis by looking at a host of economic figures. Much of the world still wants to come here because the US is one of the few places that hasn't fallen apart. etc. etc.

Yes we have problems, but I do not see us falling apart in the time of Trump, but rather see a slow decline in the elite held in abeyance by a slow increase in productivity as a part of the society still understands how make and improve things. Which side will win over the next few decades, the advancement of engineering and such by the delta productive or the woke elites that break things? I don't know. But I know that today I am so much better off in terms of every measure than my counterpart 50 years ago. I am the rational optimist. I see the engineering side winning while our children have to choose socially whether or not to be bums or productive.

Idiot millennials might not recognize how good they have it. The now ruling Gen-X is so bothered by Boomer hate that they might drop the ball and not make things better, but I am betting that there are enough of them that are not woke to actually improve things. Look at VD. He is making things better. He still designs games that are better than those built 25 years ago. His channels and views are still an alternative. He isn’t sliding into black-pill—woe is me!

VD might hate Boomers because of the social/cultural degradation we Boomers inflicted. Although NABALT, I can't argue with his point--Boomers helped tear apart many of the foundations of a Christian nations and it basically became "not Christian" during their time. But now that it is the time of Gen-X- many of the trends the Boomer accelerated and slowing and reversing. Social Christianity might be gone, but the believing church is still strong. Productivity is still growing and availability of the basics to live or even thrive is more and more readily available for less and less average hours of work. Give the next generation a chance—they aren’t all woke and stupid. Those that are—so what—those who want to work and be productive can still do so and raise a family. Don’t write off civilization yet.





Blogger Skyler the Weird April 21, 2019 12:35 PM  

Arise Oh LORD and let your enemies be scattered.

Blogger Vanilla I C E April 21, 2019 12:37 PM  

So the "fracking bubble" is the new cope for these "Peak Oil" dinosaurs?

Blogger Uncephalized April 21, 2019 12:41 PM  

OTT book club question: Vox said read the 'preface' but my ebook of Mere Christianity has a Prologue and a Foreword. I assume that he meant to read these two sections but I want to make sure I am not using a different version of the book than everyone else. Happy to spend a couple bucks to get a different edition if needed. Thanks.

Blogger SciVo April 21, 2019 12:49 PM  

I have never seen anyone explain how the U.S. Leviathan would deal with something like the Finnish resistance to the Russians and the Swedes, without also eroding its moral legitimacy even more. As the ruling class progressively loses the consent of the governed, wouldn't Americans excel at simply making ourselves ungovernable?

Blogger Mike Wallens April 21, 2019 2:16 PM  

I hope to be wrong but I believe if Trump, at the tearful urgings of Javanka/Bolton/Pompeo decides we must launch a war against Iran then a huge number of his normie supporters would fall in line just as they did in 2003 for the Bush Iraq disaster. Many of those people support Bolton and believe Pompeo is a genius so if those two pushed a war "to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" then PDT would have massive support in part of his base.

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 21, 2019 2:44 PM  

"The money might be utterly worthless, but it will still be deposited in retiree accounts."

I've tried explaining this to silents and boomers. Yeah, the gov't might be able to endlessly supply your X dollars per month, but they can't guarantee it will by more than a gallon of gas and a loaf of bread, maybe less.

They just can't believe Merka' is susceptible to the same consequences as every failed empire before them. What cannot continue won't, the party will end, and the road eventually runs into a brick wall or off a cliff.

Blogger pyrrhus April 21, 2019 2:47 PM  

Despite my great respect for Orlov and the Saker, that he doesn't understand the firearms situation in the US, and neither does the Saker...Nor does he understand that there are a lot of folks in the US who, if pushed to the wall by the Reds, will respond with violence...Sun Tzu warned repeatedly about putting your enemy in a position where there is no retreat, and they will fight like tigers.

Blogger Gettimothy April 21, 2019 3:18 PM  

@4 the Infogalactic entry for Zundel is still SJWikied from the orignal import http://infogalactic.com/info/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel

If you have time, additional perspectives, edits would be welcome.

Blogger Mark Stoval April 21, 2019 3:45 PM  

I would like to take this opportunity to wish all here a happy Easter. This is the most important day of my year and always has been.

I also hope and pray that none of you has to deal with the US police for any reason in the coming year.

May God bless you and yours.

~ Mark

Blogger Garuna April 21, 2019 4:01 PM  

It is easy to argue against his thesis by looking at a host of economic figures. [...] I know that today I am so much better off in terms of every measure than my counterpart 50 years ago. I am the rational optimist. [...] our children have to choose socially whether or not to be bums or productive. [...] Idiot millennials might not recognize how good they have it. The now ruling Gen-X is so bothered by Boomer hate that they might drop the ball and not make things better [...] VD might hate Boomers because of the social/cultural degradation we Boomers inflicted. Although NABALT [...] Social Christianity might be gone, but the believing church is still strong. [...] availability of the basics to live or even thrive is more and more readily available for less and less average hours of work.

boomercaust when?

Blogger SciVo April 21, 2019 4:07 PM  

Mike Wallens wrote:I hope to be wrong

You are. Trump was the anti-war candidate. His own base would hang and burn him in effigy if he tried to find up support for attacking Iran. Do you even know any Trump voters IRL?

Blogger Uncephalized April 21, 2019 4:18 PM  

@19 mgh "Many people have assumed it was going to happen any day now since about 2008"

And any day now, they'll be right.

@23 Roman Daoist "And as for the popular response, if their camps were the only places that could guarentee safety (as much as anywhere could be safe), how many would keep themselves and their kids away - let alone try to fight them?"

This is why high-trust, resilient and self-sufficient local communities are absolutely essential. This weakness only exists when survival depends upon an outside power structure. In a properly situated community a removal of federal oversight would be a relief rather than a cause of insecurity.

Blogger Aidan MacLear April 21, 2019 4:48 PM  

The military is -not allowed- to defeat "lightly armed insurgents" when they are brown and nonchristian. When our military is allowed to fight, it wins.

The military and police will be allowed to use rules of engagement that would make Genghis Khan blush against a native Christian insurgency of white men as Waco and Ruby Ridge proved.

If the American Christian gun owner had the will to resist the military and the cops he would have resisted the Detroit race riots, would have resisted the anarchization of Chicago, would have fought the black and aztec gangs wherever they reared their heads. But he did not, he ran to the suburbs, and his children are even weaker and less focused.

Blogger JGP April 21, 2019 5:01 PM  

@30 justaguy Thank you. I cling to this as well. Not sure it will pan out but I think it's possible. We may be around for a while longer.
@32 I wondered about the reference to "the fracking bubble" as well. It wouldn't be surprising if we've been lied to again but I was under the impression that fracking was one of the bright spots in the U.S. economy. Has anyone else heard anything that suggests otherwise?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 21, 2019 5:16 PM  

peacefulposter wrote:Given that the US govt debt is entirely in US dollars, it will not go bankrupt as Dmitry is implying. Employees and Retirees will get their paychecks.

They'll get their checks, all right. The checks just won't buy anything. Uncle Sam can always print more dollars, but they can't print stuff for the dollars to buy.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len April 21, 2019 5:39 PM  

another third of the population finds that it can no longer afford to drive

Skyrocketing gas prices would be one of the likeliest events to cause widespread panic, not just because of the immobility of individuals, but because the JIT supply network modern American existence depends on would collapse. This fact seems to be glossed over in accounts of the coming "reset": the masses won't merely be stuck at home and poor, they'll be starving.

If the latter, then it won't be so bad, because the states would basically just become their own countries.

This is simply not feasible. How many states are self-sufficient in food or energy or could actually control their own borders? The US won't run down like in the original Mad Max, it will splinter and fester like the real life Congo in the late 90's.



Don't be too hard on them, very few people understand the role of logistics in military operations.

those ones who will fight against the people are only capable of securing the simple city terrain they’ve been patrolling

Not even that. Most police departments already barely have a presence in the worst neighborhoods, and in a national breakdown, most city neighborhoods will turn "bad". Most cops will consider themselves lucky if they can defend their own homes.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 21, 2019 6:07 PM  

I'm with #27: a Jew and a Russian licking their chops over a carcass, like vultures. How charming. They cannot see the invisible differences. I still wonder who would live in an apartment complex with strangers, and cower while the NKVD stumps up the stairs, dragging people away. Even our wretched former slaves gang up against police: BLM. There wasn't a grasping, ambitious intellectual BLM for their cowardly selves. As it is, gangs of blacks fight

#7, as a retiree, you have the time and possibly enough of the strength to at least begin gardening. I am hoping that we can begin a garden this May. Four years, first year that it is possible for us. I'd note that lifestyle magazines seem to have gone from Boomer show porn for gardens, to actual, practical gardens growing regular food, with pounds yield listed. Any abundance can be shared.

It's like that stupid dreidel poem about breaking Egyptians, Romans and Russians, with the USA in the next up in the kill-box. It's ridiculous. The people remained, the government broke down. The regular people suffered under misgovernance, or simply changed governments to local governments. Not once has a Jewish neurotic run a good government for anyone. Whatever you say about the current leaders of Israel, not one of them looks like a sensitive, neurotic type. The leaders look like they would all be stuffing Woody Allen in a locker.

If the Federal Government broke down in the USA, it's not as if the people would disappear in a puff of smoke. The states would take over, since they are all functional local governments. Good grief. We've had 50+ constitutions written in the past few hundred years- even rhyming ones!- and they all worked pretty well. It's something we are good at.

Blogger peacefulposter April 21, 2019 6:53 PM  

@45 Ominus Cowerd - They'll get their checks, all right. The checks just won't buy anything. Uncle Sam can always print more dollars, but they can't print stuff for the dollars to buy.

Exactly. As the workforce becomes more dieverse and feminized, future productivity is a definite concern. Will the USA be able to produce anything in the future? Will it be able to build bridges that don't collapse, or Cathedrals like Notre Dame?

Perhaps if the God Emperor had 20 years.

Blogger SJ April 21, 2019 7:07 PM  

"basics to live or even thrive is more and more readily available for less and less average hours of work"

This isn't true. My God you boomers. It's so tiring having you around

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 21, 2019 7:20 PM  

#46: Why would each individual state need to be self-sufficient? Isn't that part of economics: trade? It doesn't have to be free trade. It can be highly regulated trade. I don't think cradle Americans would go about shooting each other in spasms of brain-dead violence.

I'm not even sure the immigrants would remain. The most reliable sinking ship indicator is immmigrants heading home, wherever that is. They left in the Civil War, they left in World War 1, and World War 2. Others came in, chased by famine or greed, but a big percentage left the country voluntarily.

And, if not, it's not as if we'd be fighting an ideological war with our nearest and dearest. There won't be shibboleth tests to worry about. It will be a skin color war. We aren't all Yugoslavians trying to sort out our church habits. It'll be roof Koreans versus rioting blacks, or something like that.

Right now, the most silly part of all the arm-chair quarterbacking is that we've got any number of people who have had military training, and have retired fairly young. There's a lot of military skills hidden in guys who look like auto mechanics, football players, school teachers, bankers, farmers and so on. Feudalism was oppressive for slave raiders. For everyone else, it seemed to work okay. The Constitution and the Magna Carta and all the governing documents of western civ are all easy to read, plain text. It's the imported guests who find penumbras and contortions and logic-twists. What if they aren't in charge of anything? What if the native stock were in charge again?

As it is, all the fantasies of destruction seem to include rural areas dropping caltrops onto any road going into an urban area and then waiting for the tragic figures to walk out. And then picking those off. It's not like anyone is volunteering to patrol New York City for the ease and comfort of its wealthier citizens. No one seems to think it's worth invading with Bibles and fried chicken sandwiches. No one seems to want to bring in food, water or antibiotics, either.

And, well, if you did have an oppressive leader taking iron-fist actions: we've got nylon rope and streetlamps on the highways, all across the nation. The Romans would set their criminals up alongside their roads for miles. Their government survived for millenia. Their limiting rate factors were wood- trees take a while to grow- and rope- again, a labor intensive farm product. That's not really true of nylon rope or steel beams that are already in place.

Also, there was the time-limited stuff. So, what if we had a "true meaning of smek day" event. (Smek is the head of an invading army in a children's show). What if we said "harvests are bad" and simply killed off all of our criminals in jail, and then recalled everyone who was out on bail. That would wipe out a big chunk of the blacks and Hispanics that cause such grief. If we included white collar crime, we'd end up killing immigrants who have tried various crimes. I'd think regular Hispanics would flee home.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 21, 2019 7:21 PM  

you don't need to approve the last comment. i'm just puzzled by the sincerity of 'it will all remain the same, with extra solicitude for the poor, retired boomers.'

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 21, 2019 7:40 PM  

"The military is -not allowed- to defeat "lightly armed insurgents" when they are brown and nonchristian. When our military is allowed to fight, it wins. "

Except the "insurgents" would live in the same neighborhoods their mothers, wives, and daughter live in. Changes thing significantly.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 21, 2019 8:21 PM  

If the Federal Government broke down in the USA, it's not as if the people would disappear in a puff of smoke. The states would take over, since they are all functional local governments. Good grief. We've had 50+ constitutions written in the past few hundred years- even rhyming ones!- and they all worked pretty well. It's something we are good at.

@47 Ariadne Umbrella
True... but even there, some states will be more stable than others. Kentucky, Vermont, or Nebraska should be okay, but I expect the more populous states with heavy immigrant populations to be total clusterf---s.

Blogger Vanilla I C E April 21, 2019 8:30 PM  

@44 I first heard of Orlov around a decade ago when he was pushing the peak oil stuff. He's a purveyor of collapse porn. I don't deny that we're heading for catastrophe, but I can't take people like him seriously.

Blogger justaguy April 21, 2019 8:44 PM  

# 46:

I think that most of the younger generations are content to just let the Boomers age out. I might be wrong, but I see, barring any SHTF situations, no one is hunting the boomers in their isolated retirement communities.

Now if SHTF times come, historically the old always have had a rough time. But even by VD's timeline, if you agree with it, by mid-20-30s, the Gen-X are the old folks that suffer from not being in their prime.. The majority of the Boomers by the 2030's are gone or almost there. The youngest Boomer (1960?) is in their 70s, and most boomers are in their retirement homes in the sky. It will be the Gen-X- that is too old to pull their weight if VD's SHTF hits mid 2030s.

But as a rational optimist, by VD's timeframe, the Gates/Warren/Bezos company that makes all of the robots that took everyone's jobs will still produce everything and we will all get our government guaranteed minimum income.

Blogger Tanjil Bren April 21, 2019 8:58 PM  

"Most cops will consider themselves lucky if they can defend their own homes."

Recent history agrees with you.
The police will stand only for as long as their own homes remain safe.
Then it's every LE for himself.

England presents a fascinating situation, as the police there increasingly stop enforcing real crime in preference for thought crime (AKA a political police).
And people are stating to despise them.
No guns, you say.
It's all too easy to forget that anyone with a rag-stuffed bottle of petrol, a lighter, and a reasonable height advantage is potentially significantly more dangerous than someone with a gun.

Blogger Stephen April 21, 2019 9:32 PM  

boomercaust when?

Many of us recall how to improvise the M18 Claymore.
Do you feel lucky?

No worries here. Pixel Pixies abound.

Blogger berb2000 April 21, 2019 9:38 PM  

Orlev makes jumps in thought process that would make Jordan Peterson proud. I mean take doom porn where you can (and Orlev is very consistent) but realize that some people sell books that way. It makes the book easier to write.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2019 10:26 PM  

We have more oil than Saudi Arabia. The choke valve is the economics getting it out of the ground. Do you think if the dollar collapses, Exxon mobil or Chevron will just go home and say "hey show's over, folks"? They will pump the oil out of West Texas for whatever currency pays, and pays well.

I work in oil and gas. We are fucking drowning in hydrocarbons.

Blogger Mystic On Main April 21, 2019 10:50 PM  

"The Constitution and the Magna Carta and all the governing documents of western civ are all easy to read, plain text. It's the imported guests who find penumbras and contortions and logic-twists. What if they aren't in charge of anything? What if the native stock were in charge again?"

No! The Constitution in so many places is entirely vague. It's also contradictory in many portions. Not to mention, it was largely written before electricity was in use. From day one the meaning of the Constitution was debated, and by the guys who wrote it. Your friends of native stock just as easily found loopholes and pnumbras and twists and turns as anyone else.

Blogger Garuna April 22, 2019 1:17 AM  

Many of us recall how to improvise the M18 Claymore. Do you feel lucky? No worries here. Pixel Pixies abound.

Boomer subhumans are absolutely unrepentant. ABALT.

Boomercaust when?

Blogger JAG April 22, 2019 1:32 AM  

Mystic On Main wrote:"The Constitution and the Magna Carta and all the governing documents of western civ are all easy to read, plain text. It's the imported guests who find penumbras and contortions and logic-twists. What if they aren't in charge of anything? What if the native stock were in charge again?"

No! The Constitution in so many places is entirely vague. It's also contradictory in many portions. Not to mention, it was largely written before electricity was in use. From day one the meaning of the Constitution was debated, and by the guys who wrote it. Your friends of native stock just as easily found loopholes and pnumbras and twists and turns as anyone else.


It's impossible to get around this. No matter what set of rules you devise, rules lawyers and theory crafters will find ways to exploit it.

Blogger Uncephalized April 22, 2019 1:37 AM  

@60 I agree, the Framers were remarkably careless about ambiguity and inclarity. They could have spent a few more words in the Bill of Rights, to be sure.

We will be in need of some re-Founding documents, if things go the way they seem to be. And frighteningly it is going to be us Millennials and GenZ to whom that task may fall.

God help us.

Blogger Gregory the Great April 22, 2019 3:58 AM  

The Saker writes "Can the US survive Trump?" Is that not like asking "Have you stopped beating your wife?" The only answers allowed being Yes or No, of course.

Blogger Miguel April 22, 2019 4:11 AM  

You bet.

Blogger Garuna April 22, 2019 4:15 AM  

OT: Jordan Peterson popularity declining according to Google trends. He's almost fallen back to where he was pre-2018.

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/1119736779463110656

https://i.imgur.com/PKZfNbo.jpg

Blogger Meanoldbasterd April 22, 2019 4:45 AM  

As I understand it the issues are EROEI and getting parts and labor TO the fracking sites and getting the products out... In a chaos scenario are you sure all three will even be doable? We do so in Africa by using oppressive regimes and mercenaries... Is there an infrastructure here for that? I don't know...
Scorched earth is a tactic both sides could easily use to prevent the other from benefiting from said hydrocarbons.

Blogger The Cooler April 22, 2019 6:43 AM  

@60 You have to go back.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 22, 2019 8:15 AM  

Mystic On Main wrote:No! The Constitution in so many places is entirely vague. It's also contradictory in many portions.

Do you mean it's not sufficiently detailed? Or do you mean that you have no idea what it means? Either way, the problem is with you, not with the document.

Mystic On Main wrote:Not to mention, it was largely written before electricity was in use.

The use of electricity has not changed human nature. I hope you were attempting humor, but jokes that little shouldn't be out this late at night.

Uncephalized wrote:We will be in need of some re-Founding documents, if things go the way they seem to be. And frighteningly it is going to be us Millennials and GenZ to whom that task may fall.

God help us.


God help you all indeed, because most of you can't write.

Blogger The Cooler April 22, 2019 8:48 AM  

Morons, the Constitutions is a frame. They weren't attempting to improve upon the Articles of Empire. The so-called vagaries and contradictions of the Constitution exist, and only exist, if one ignores the fact that United States was never intended to be imperialistic.

If you are going to criticize the Constitution, criticize the loopholes in it that allowed the country to be so easily commandeered.

But loopholes or no, the debates amongst the founders as regards minutiae, practicalities and real-world application are in no way analogous to the pulling-from-the-aether of, say, a woman having the constitutional right to kill her children, so on and obviously so forth.

Blogger Tanjil Bren April 22, 2019 9:18 AM  

"Morons, the Constitutions is a frame."

The line of the night!

And, unfortunately, even the most unambiguous of provisions (such as: government shall not steal your stuff) can be (and are) interpreted by all our Supremes to mean whatever the hell they like.

So what are they (Constitutions) really worth, when it's all said and done?

Blogger Iron Spartan April 22, 2019 9:51 AM  

Dmitry Orlov still thinks that "Soviets will Rise again!"

There are problems in the world, and the US empire is crumbling. But his dream of Stasi running through the country and sending people to death camps in the Mojave isn't going to happen.

Blogger Mystic On Main April 22, 2019 9:55 AM  

@Ominous Cowherd

I mean that the Constitution is entirely vague in parts and contradictory in others, just as I wrote. And the point about "electricity" is that the bulk of the Constitution was written at a time when its authors could not even contemplate many of the issues and circumstances that the Constitution must address today. I can offer examples of these claims if you need them.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 22, 2019 10:37 AM  

I would have a lot more faith in the police than in the military, especially in an insurgent war. The military isn't even the right tool for the job. The military is designed to break big shit, big shit the government and military needs. You bomb a bridge so that enemy troops cannot cross. But civilians driving in cars going to work and going on secret missions at night are a whole different ball game.

Dmitry Orlov is a typical non-American living in America. He is a foreigner whose loyalties lay with a foreign nation. He complains endlessly about what used to be our country. What he is selling is anti-Americanism.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 22, 2019 11:04 AM  

@73: just stop while you're ahead. Since you obviously have problems with reading comprehension, I'll type it slowly: Shut up, stupid!

Blogger Uncephalized April 22, 2019 11:07 AM  

@69 Ominous Cowherd yes, that was my point.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 22, 2019 11:47 AM  

How do I put this? We had companies making things before the FedGov, current iteration. We had companies making things during every war. We had transportation and shipping across the continent, before the territories were states. All of this relied on people who could govern themselves. They could also farm, hunt and mine, depending on the day. The Little House on the Prairie books are alien to immigrants, while they sound pretty much like reminiscences of grandparents. Or, in this town, people who were hippies who would cool their milk bottles in the river. That is, within living memory of my children, hearing grown women with still brown hair talking about how they farmed, raised chickens, and cooled milk in the river.

The oil companies did not quit pumping crude in Baku when the Russian Revolution was going on. I would guess that the bankers' take went higher during revolution.

What would get suspended? FedGov pensions. The mail could be FedEx, which is almost supranational. I doubt Amazon would quit shipping. Transfer payments would stop. One could say 'rampaging hordes of black people'- but we already ran that test. They sat down in a stadium and waited for someone to fix their problems. What if GB had taken the opportunity to assist Darwin? Block news from filming, and then wall off the area? Sheriff Harry Lee blocked black pedestrians from crossing a bridge into his parish. The national news threw fits for all of, what? two days? but the local residents backed him up. He died in office, having held higher voting positives after doing that, than before.

Blogger Balam April 22, 2019 12:05 PM  

Tars Tarkas wrote:I would have a lot more faith in the police than in the military, especially in an insurgent war. The military isn't even the right tool for the job. The military is designed to break big shit, big shit the government and military needs. You bomb a bridge so that enemy troops cannot cross. But civilians driving in cars going to work and going on secret missions at night are a whole different ball game.

I have less faith in the militarized police than I do the military. The military, from what I'd read, had success as long as they weren't being ordered to fail. When left alone they were adopting civilian-friendly pro-inkblot (from the Vietnam era) strategies because they didn't want to die surrounded by an enemy country that hated them.

As for the police side look at what happens in California, the state with the overall best SWAT/police force in the world. CA Swat is a match for some countries military and people are sent there for urban combat training. One man, Chris Dorner, held the LAPD completely paralyzed in fear after executing a police captain's daughter. Cops even gunned down a truck driven by two woman because the truck was the same color as the last one Chris was sighted in. Turns out that one strength the military 'had' is that you don't bring your wife and kids over to Iraq with you. Not to mention that La Raza has free reign for various reasons already. If they can't finish off a criminal gang in peacetime either they can't or they don't want to (corruption, bribes etc).

In theory the police are better than the military at handling civilians but it requires that the police de-militarize. That means the police are the civilians and they know everyone in the neighborhood and don't hide behind anonymous helmets and APCs. In a straight up insurgency we both know they are going to be black balaclava wearing, crowd stomping monsters.

Blogger OneWingedShark April 22, 2019 12:08 PM  

The Cooler wrote:If you are going to criticize the Constitution, criticize the loopholes in it that allowed the country to be so easily commandeered.
A LOT of the loopholes actually aren't there and instead come from "tradition", where 'tradition' is defined in the Talmudic sense (Mk 7:13 "Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.") — as an example, consider the 1st Amendment & "incorporation": the amendment clearly and explicitly lays its restrictions on Congress, yet the legal-profession claims that this restriction applies to the States and their counties and cities despite the obvious fact that neither has a 'Congress'.

Blogger The Cooler April 22, 2019 1:15 PM  

I'll give you the big one, OneWingedShark:

The Constitution is replete with procedural limitations, but almost entirely lacking in substantive limitations. This has been leveraged to subvert the Constitution without contradicting the Constitution, thus opening the interpretive floodgates and ushering-in Rule by Precedent and ushering-out Rule of Law.

Constitution 2.0 -- whatever -- must needs substantive limitations commensurate with whatever procedural limitations it aims to establish.


Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 22, 2019 2:36 PM  

So far, the only effective antidote to sociopathic culture liars is a specific of other sociopathic culture types. Stephen Miller is able to frame arguments that fly with other Jews, while Christian arguments get brushed aside.

There's been an answer to that problem for sixty or seventy years: Israel. That Jews who fled the Soviet Union did not go to Israel is a mystery. Jews fleeing South Africa came to America, then complained that the local Jews looked down on them. The Christian South Africans did not seem to have that problem with other Americans. I think the obvious thought is that Jews are not capable of treating anyone decently, in general.

The Vietnamese Catholics who fled Saigon when it fell were helped by Catholics in America, and Lutherans. Catholics and Lutherans have a history of treating each other poorly- 30 Years War and all that- and the Vietnamese are related to absolutely nobody cradle American, but here they are in America, making enough money for pilgrimages, raising enough children to give them to the priesthood, and building out middle class lives by running restaurants and nail=painting salons.

I think the Constitution is very clear in the vernacular of the native, founding stock. I don't know that being super-particularistic is a defense against Talmudic logic. AFAIK, the only defense is a good offense: send them away, so they can argue amongst themselves with their own logic. It's an alien logic system. It really is. They don't get that some of the things they think are obvious- comparing Israel to Florida for 'how tiny we are'- isn't a good argument. Connecticut is tiny, but it's not in a race war with Delaware.

Responsibility to Protect, and Genocide, the term, were both coined by Jewish profs in a small (Ukrainian?) town at the turn of last century. Curiously, Wikipedia doesn't mention its origins, even though there's a hardbound book about it out last year. Neither professor managed to notice any of the famines or outrages that the Bolsheviks were committing on the Christian populations in their town. So, while these are very popular terms right now, I don't think they will last, any more than racism, or calling blacks 'colored folk.' Any number of brittle theories have been memory-holed before Jews even reached into Western Civ.

I mean, as it is, smart American blacks are pretty much a tulip-mania. No one else really seems to feel the same way about blacks with Ivy League degrees as American liberals. AmLibs don't garden conventionally. But, they seem to be happy farming people. If those conditions change: Tulip-mania goes away when the market goes away.

Blogger DonReynolds April 22, 2019 2:45 PM  

@78 OneWingedShark
Excellent summary, bud.
It is difficult to write a permanent constitution that the majority will ratify and the more absolute and distilled it becomes, the more likely people are to find a reason to oppose it. So a winning constitution is going to be specific in terms of direction and leave the details to congressional debate, restrained by spirited court defense of the original direction. It was probably easier to write and ratify a constitution 230 years ago in America than it would be today. I shudder to think how difficult it would be today.

@78 Balam
"In theory the police are better than the military at handling civilians but it requires that the police de-militarize. That means the police are the civilians and they know everyone in the neighborhood and don't hide behind anonymous helmets and APCs. In a straight up insurgency we both know they are going to be black balaclava wearing, crowd stomping monsters."

Very good, sir.
Many countries have the same problem and several solutions have been tried but none seem to be definitive.

The police exist to enforce the civil law. That means they arrest people for crimes and haul them into court, where they are tried by a judge and jury. For the police to kill a desperado is actually a failure to accomplish their mission. The key to police work is their ability to discern one lawbreaker from another.

The military does not discern, nor is it their mission to take prisoners, no matter what military intelligence says. Their mission is to break things and kill the enemy whenever possible...to destroy the enemy military. To the military, the civilian population is simply part of the terrain of the battlefield. Evacuate them if you want to deliberately save them, otherwise they become part of the background.

In a straight up insurgency, the police will be irrelevant. The military solution may well be to isolate the area with a perimeter and sanitize it. Wasteful? Without a doubt, but effective.

Blogger TMLutas April 22, 2019 3:10 PM  

For those of us who thought the US never had an empire but remained a republic throughout, at least Orlov is accidentally right.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 22, 2019 3:36 PM  

Balam wrote:As for the police side look at what happens in California, the state with the overall best SWAT/police force in the world.

I don't disagree that these police tactics are not that great, but that is not really what I am talking about.

The police work at 2 levels, reacting to crime in real time and investigating crimes. It is the investigative arm that I think would be better.

Whether you are investigating a murder or an attack on a building or bridge or water treatment plant etc it is this arm of law enforcement that does the work.
It is this arm that can find out who is in these resistance groups and who is not. It is this arm that can find out who was near the bridge in the 72 hours leading up to the explosion. It is they who have access to the state and federal crime labs along with other state resources.
These investigators might send SWAT to make the arrest, but it is them that will do the intelligence work needed to thwart an insurgency. The presence of gangs and other organized crime in prisons and the population has given them decades of experience in working against organizations.
It is likely that an insurgency would have to turn to crime to finance itself. All of the stuff you need to be an effective insurgency costs money. It doesn't cost as much when it is just local people, but there are still a lot of costs. This need to be involved in crime will also hurt the insurgency.

The police have very likely already infiltrated the usual suspects that might be willing to become and insurgency. All of these patriot groups likely have both known police in the groups and unknown undercover agents, not to mention petty criminals who speak to the police and give them intelligence. It would not surprise me in the least to learn that every single one of these groups have not only been infiltrated, but that the leadership is known and under surveillance.

The military is not good at this stuff. It doesn't have as much experience doing it and it is really not designed to do it, though there are police agencies in the military.
God only knows how many cops there are in America. There are police agencies at every level of government and sometimes multiple agencies at a given level of government. The total police force in the US is probably bigger than the armed forces.
Not only is there all these agencies, but the universities will contribute to solving crimes. They regularly assist in technical matters or develop new methods of catching criminals. If some branch of police needed help that only the military could do, they would likely be helped by the military.

Overall, I think the police are a much larger obstacle for a potential insurgency than the military. Nobody is ever going to complain that the police are standing around with guns the way they would if the military got involved.

Blogger wahr01 April 22, 2019 4:29 PM  

History and logic show us insurgency is not dependent on military might but a contest between the political will of the would-be conqueror vs popular will of the would-be conquered.

The British Empire was beaten by Americans and Indians because the desire of the locals to be free of empire was greater than the desire of imperial bean counters to have a few more beans to count.

This did not mean the British Empire was in free-fall. It continued for hundreds of years after America won her independence, primarily because most vassal states had more to gain from the British than they did from independence.

Blogger Balam April 22, 2019 5:30 PM  

Tars Tarkas wrote:The police work at 2 levels, reacting to crime in real time and investigating crimes. It is the investigative arm that I think would be better.

You provide a very persuasive argument; the military is certainly not an investigative arm, the universities have great forensic techniques, they have years of experience fighting gangs and the FBI/etc certainly have a firm hand on the Oathkeepers and already killed dissenters in Waco and Ruby Ridge and got away with it.

I believe you when you type these things and there's a certain comfort in the strength of the state writ large like this. However reading through blogs like this shows the fragile nature of civilization - if it happened in Rome, why not here? If the Hapsburgs and Romanovs went away, why not us? Also that the nature of the power in the US, including police power, is largely based on prestige from a grander past.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/30/how-many-homicides-go-unsolved-in-california-and-the-nation-2/
Murders 'cleared' ie. solved fell from 91% in 1935 down to 60% in 2016, despite increases in technology. Universities, including forensic arms, are getting more and more converged each year - the same universities they are turning to are unable to replicate 50% of their studies. Social Justice Convergence is crippling the faculties.

If you believe the gay Florida nightclub shooting, the Vegas Shooting and the recent Mosque shooting were real (real as in, as presented by the media) then the authorities have a poor track record on actually following up on leads for potential shooters; either they don't want to or there are so many potential threats now that they physically don't have the manpower to follow up on all of them. In an insurgency situation it'll be even worse. If you believe those shootings were fake then the situation is even more bizarre and more likely to stir up discontent.

As to the police knowing all the criminal suspects - the current border crisis and opioid crisis in the US shows the grim story that the police ARE the criminals. Their monied bossed tell them to let ANTIFA take over city blocks, let rings of doctors drug america to death and let human trafficking through. They know, certainly they know, but they cannot or will not act on it.

It's that political element that frightens me and is doing to undo all the hard work of any LEO, mostly because I don't understand it. In fact the big tragedy of falling empires like the US is that we COULD do a lot of these things but, in the end, falling empires don't. I don't know why or how but politics and social justice has and will continue to cripple LEO. They can't keep people from shitting on the streets in San Fran, Dallas is no longer prosecuting crimes under $750, spreading HIV is legal in CA; it's not an argument but anecdotally things are coming apart at the seams.

Blogger Uncephalized April 22, 2019 7:06 PM  

@86 Balam I am not too afraid of the police in any sort of collapsing-rule-of-law situation because many of them seem to be physical cowards who rely on backup and superior force. When their command and support structure gives out I doubt they'll maintain anany cohesion.

Blogger Mystic On Main April 22, 2019 7:42 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd

Boy were you overestimated.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 22, 2019 7:50 PM  

Balam wrote:However reading through blogs like this shows the fragile nature of civilization - if it happened in Rome, why not here?

The problem with that is we are looking back at Rome through books and in doing so, fail to grasp the time scale. It took Rome several centuries to collapse. I do believe in the long run, America cannot survive as it is currently constituted.

I think the closure rate is a bit misleading. It's an average from across the country. It includes lots of ghettos where people won't talk and where nobody really cares. A lot of these departments are loaded with politically appointed black cops who shouldn't be there.

I don't have any delusions about an all-powerful police state. I'm sure that they miss a lot of stuff and that some people are able to fly under the radar. It's that we are comparing one thing to another. IMHO, the police would be more effective than the military. That is not the same as saying the police are capable of shutting down an insurgency.

I think that any successful insurgency is just an undetermined time period away because things have to change before such an insurgency could be possible.
We're just along for the ride... enjoying the decline.

Blogger liberranter April 22, 2019 9:38 PM  

@ #1:

One thing that there is an EXCELLENT chance that they will be dependable for is forming marauding gangs to overtly plunder the people they (only halfheartedly) once pretended to "protect and serve."

Blogger dc.sunsets April 23, 2019 9:58 AM  

It's always about consent (popular, that is) and no one knows what that will look like when the center has visibly stopped holding. My guess is that in a place as large and varied as North America, local conditions will be astonishingly different from place to place.

One thing is certain: the denouement of the largest credit inflation in history will not be inflationary. I've said it before, I'll say it again, the money supply (wealth represented by confident access to credit, mostly) is due to largely evaporate. Prices should collapse, but affordability should collapse even more. It doesn't matter if the market-clearing price of a gallon of gas is $0.25 if you have only the change you could find in under the couch cushions. You'll be hoofing it (or trying to carjack someone at gunpoint.)

Unless the economy reverts to barter or states/city-states begin to issue their own script, the US dollar will continue to be used for exchange. Collapses don't occur in one step.

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