ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2018 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Monday, April 08, 2019

The fake opposition

A progressive embraces the Ineffectual Dork Weasels:
The vast majority of people in the IDW are extremely liberal on all of the core issues like abortion, climate change, gay marriage, etc. They’re not neocons, they’re not alt-right, and they’re not racists. They’re the opposite of that, actually, and the main thing they have in common is the desire to preserve and amplify good-faith conversation.

Rather than bash them due to something you heard from this one place—or that one friend—take the time to actually listen. Most of them are progressive just like you and me. And if you’re not liberal that’s fine too—listening will show you that true discussion is still possible.
The author suggests that Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson as partial exceptions who are not "extremely liberal", but of course, he also mistakenly believes the Littlest Chickenhawk "doesn’t want to impose his religious ideas upon you through government" which is unintentionally hilarious to anyone who has read Shapiro's book dedicated to the notion that both America and Western Civilization are Jewish.  But he did produce this useful chart:

And remember, this is supposed to be the courageous opposition to American progressivism.

Labels: , ,

75 Comments:

Blogger David The Good April 08, 2019 1:29 PM  

The Dread Ilk's answers on these questions would make heads explode. And they would throw in a few more issues far beyond these trifling categories.

DI On the Issues:

IMMEDIATE END TO USURY (Pro)
ALONG WITH END TO USURY, MASSACRE ALL THE BANKERS (Pro)
DESTROY ALL IMAGES OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN (Pro)
KILL ALL YANKEES EXCEPT MAYBE TRUMP AND THE TWO ILK UP THERE IN HELLISTAN (Pro)
CATAPULTING IMMIGRANTS OVER WALL EXCEPT FOR THE HOT LATINA IN THAT AR15 AD (Pro)

And it would just go on from there.

Blogger Max Boivin April 08, 2019 1:33 PM  

"Ben Shapiro—yes, the conservative one—actually needs private security because of his open criticism of the alt-right. "

Wow, the author is quite the liar. Shapiro doesn't need security because he criticises the alt-right, he needs because he doesn't enthusiastically embraces the SJWs' agenda.

Blogger Daniel April 08, 2019 1:47 PM  

To be fair, "Shaprio" is only pro-drug legalization because he has trouble with the child-proof caps.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 08, 2019 1:52 PM  

Abraham Lincoln, our first Communist president

Blogger Damn the torpedos April 08, 2019 2:02 PM  

“Kill all Yankees”

Let me know when you guys march so I can get the hell out of New York State.

Blogger Dave W. April 08, 2019 2:11 PM  

"preserve and amplify good-faith conversation"

Oh God, I can't breathe, I'm laughing so hard

Blogger The Greay Man April 08, 2019 2:33 PM  

Ben "Shaprio" haha.

Blogger TheMaleRei April 08, 2019 2:34 PM  

Fake Opposition & Controlled Opposition...

Whomever is unpersonned, deplatformed, and memory holed cannot be all bad...

Blogger Longtime Lurker April 08, 2019 2:34 PM  

What's Daniel Meissler trying to do? Destroy Sam Harris et al with their followers because "Most of them are progressive just like you and me"?

Strange days.



Blogger Richard Rahl April 08, 2019 2:35 PM  

What is a good book to read about Lincoln? I've only recently heard from people I've observed as being truthful say he was a POS.

Blogger Solon April 08, 2019 2:37 PM  

Wealth Inequality Is a Problem: Ben Shapiro - CON

Maybe he doesn't think wealth inequality is a problem because his (((tribe))) is the ones with all the wealth. What a strange (((cohencidence))).

Blogger Alexander April 08, 2019 2:43 PM  

Only extreme DI favor killing Yankees, the moderate wing is fine with decimation then deportation.

And to be fair, I don't think the folks in Maine are really a problem.

I know, I know, I have a tender bleeding heart...

Blogger Noah B. April 08, 2019 2:45 PM  

"Wow, the author is quite the liar. Shapiro doesn't need security because he criticises the alt-right, he needs because he doesn't enthusiastically embraces the SJWs' agenda."

That and those pesky 4th graders who keep taking his lunch money.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len April 08, 2019 2:50 PM  

What a bunch of gutless feebs. And who's shocked that the proggy writing the article believes it's possible to have "honest conversations" with obvious and unrepentant liars, as long as they agree with you on every issue?

Blogger Yordan Yordanov April 08, 2019 2:52 PM  

I don't know how Benji-boy keeps getting away with all the backstabbing. It's absolutely amazing that he can turn his back to conservatives at every opportunity and not only keep surviving, but continuous to grow.

Blogger Michael West April 08, 2019 2:52 PM  

I've never understood why they're so proud of being known as intellectually dark in the first place.

Blogger LZ April 08, 2019 2:53 PM  

They oppose SJW insanity and correctly identity it as creating an equal and opposite reaction. They might have success if they gained power among progressives and returned them to sanity by purging SJWs, but they are non-entities. Interacting with the right is probably even counterproductive for them.

Blogger Thumos April 08, 2019 3:14 PM  

@2

Yeah, wow...that is a pretty brazen lie, either that or just painfully clueless. Really does a disservice to push the MSM narrative on that front.

Blogger peacefulposter April 08, 2019 3:16 PM  

David the Good for President.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 08, 2019 3:25 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Abraham Lincoln, our first Communist president

He even introduced the country's first income tax, which was later overturned by the courts following the war.

Blogger Desdichado April 08, 2019 3:27 PM  

David The Good wrote:KILL ALL YANKEES EXCEPT MAYBE TRUMP AND THE TWO ILK UP THERE IN HELLISTAN (Pro)
A few of us may live in Hellistan (or close enough, anyway but we ain't no Yankees! I'm just here for work.

But yeah; it's a testimony to the power of the Left over our institutions that they've been able to memory hole a genuine Right Wing to the extent that most so-called Conservatives are shocked at the extremity of what was common sense just a generation or two ago.

Blogger cecilhenry April 08, 2019 3:39 PM  

IDW:

code word for

'Israeli Defense Weapon'

Blogger CarpeOro April 08, 2019 3:42 PM  

The reason it is called the Intellectual Dark Web - because calling it "intellectual" you have to come from a very dark place with no real ideas to be found.

Blogger VD April 08, 2019 3:48 PM  

Vox, what're your thoughts on Rubin?

He's a gay left-wing Jew in Hollywood. Minimum 8/10 on the Pure Evil scale.

Blogger SirHamster April 08, 2019 3:52 PM  

David The Good wrote:ALONG WITH END TO USURY, MASSACRE ALL THE BANKERS (Pro)

I don't know when my thinking on this changed, but I nodded along just now: "that'd do good"

That was not the case 5 years ago.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box April 08, 2019 3:54 PM  

@2: Shapiro needs bodyguards because he's a pipsqueak with manboobs.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 08, 2019 3:55 PM  

Abraham Lincoln, our first Communist president

@4 Stg/Animal Mother
Along those lines, he was also the only president other than Obama who wasn't a Christian -- a closeted agnostic/atheist.

Blogger CarpeOro April 08, 2019 4:01 PM  

@ D the G

There are more ilk up north than you think, at least in the MidWest. Though strangely enough I had a voice conference with someone last week that is probably a distant relative down in the Carolinas (same German last name, ancestor arriving in the early 1700s). There are times I wish my branch hadn't left Kentucky.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 08, 2019 4:03 PM  

Yes, and now his predilection for alternative methods of sexuality are leaking out.

Blogger Garuna April 08, 2019 4:07 PM  

Dave Rubin

He interviewed Molyneux, Cernovich, and Milo on his show and was quite fair to them without any gotcha questions. But he does do that Fake Opposition thing where he talks about them in terms of "I'm so willing to talk to ANYONE, I EVEN had those guys on." So he tries to frame them as some form of extreme right, instead of being center-right as they clearly are. And he betrays his "I'll talk to all sides" premise by never inviting a proper nationalist.

I'd rate him "sneaky"/10.

Blogger Desdichado April 08, 2019 4:15 PM  

Richard Rahl wrote:What is a good book to read about Lincoln? I've only recently heard from people I've observed as being truthful say he was a POS.
Anything by Thomas DiLorenzo: Lincoln Unmasked or The Real Lincoln.

In a pinch, read the chapters he contributed to Reassessing the Presidency which is available for free as PDF at the Von Mises institute. https://mises.org/library/reassessing-presidency-rise-executive-state-and-decline-freedom

Or, at least, this article. https://mises.org/library/dilorenzo-and-his-critics-lincoln-myth

Blogger Irish Energy April 08, 2019 4:22 PM  

Have to give them marks for being climate skeptics. The second biggest globalist issue after immigration.

Blogger PolitiCrump April 08, 2019 4:25 PM  

Very fitting that they misspell Ben "Shaprio" who is arguably the most forked-tongue of the IDW bunch. I used to believe Shapiro to be simply a AstroTurfed rehash of failed neoconservatism and neoliberalism meant to indoctrinate a younger generation, but it's now clear that he's nothing more than a "Judeocon" attempting to create a conservatism centered on Judaism

Blogger tublecane April 08, 2019 4:33 PM  

"the main thing they have in common is the desire to preserve and amplify good-faith conversation"

What are they, focus group coordinators?

Groups of people bound by a common desire to amplify good-faith conversation are not a thing in the universe.

Blogger Nate73 April 08, 2019 4:37 PM  

I've always wondered why Ashkenazi have such a high rate of homosexuality. Supposedly it's 10%!?

Blogger Silent Draco April 08, 2019 4:40 PM  

Hey all y'all, it's varmint season, not Yankee season (yeah I know). Some of us are here for depot support and staging areas. If things go wrong, a friend had arranged a permanent visa for Southern C&I. DtG can then train another padawan in the art of food forest.

Their positions look patently NPC liberal and unwise Intellectual Dark Web was supposed to be daring and edgy. Edges are places where you're cut deep by something sharp, or where you fall off cliffs. Yep, must be graduates of ACME Academy for the Morally Impaired.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo April 08, 2019 4:48 PM  

This guy's "about" page reads like a crappy cut-and-paste dating site profile.

Also, (((Miessler)))?

Blogger tublecane April 08, 2019 4:54 PM  

@10- A few I like:

Lincoln the Man, by Masters
The Real Lincoln, by DiLorenzo
Lincoln: the Road to War, by van Linden

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2019 4:58 PM  

Alexander wrote:Only extreme DI favor killing Yankees, the moderate wing is fine with decimation then deportation.

As someone whose ancestors came from Virginia, I am against moderation in this.

Blogger tublecane April 08, 2019 5:07 PM  

@30- We need not micro-dissect the Rubins of the world. Once-over scans are sufficient. New York Jew. Comedy scene. Daily Show. Young Turks. "Classical liberal." Dork Web.

The only question is whether he aims to spare a few of our throats, or if he's hoping his throat gets cut last.

Blogger Lance E April 08, 2019 5:28 PM  

It's funny how they don't even bother to list positions that are actually right-wing, just the boring policy and procedural issues of the last few decades. How about:

- Converting the southern border into a live minefield
- Abolishing Judicial Review
- Abolishing LLCs and nonprofits
- Enforcement of blasphemy laws
- Repealing the 19th
- Repealing the 17th
- Repealing the 13th-16th
- Mexican-style constitutional amendment to preserve pre-1965 demographics
- Abolishing the Federal Reserve
- Abolishing the Federal Government
- Removal of communists and liberals

Pretty sure the IDW not only have the same opinions on all of those, they'd all need new underwear if they saw a political candidate promise those things.

Blogger SciVo April 08, 2019 5:39 PM  

What an intellectual lightweight! He actually put vaccination down as a liberal/conservative issue, when it's clearly authoritarian/libertarian. And just as everyone is conservative about what they know best, everyone is libertarian about what affects them most personally.

If forced to choose, I would lean toward calling the pro-vax position rightist, since as any kind of movement, anti-vax is granola SWPL. But really it's just a category error.

Blogger Lovekraft April 08, 2019 5:44 PM  

Another tell is the links provided to visitors of any of their home pages. What do they tell you about the host's allegiances?

Blogger Randomatos April 08, 2019 6:12 PM  

Sign me up. Make me an NCO in the Foreign (Midwest) Legion of Evil.

Blogger tublecane April 08, 2019 6:17 PM  

Concerning Shapiro and Harris, there is an amusing article on the History for Atheists website Vox linked to not losing ago. A Secular Humanism vs. Judeo-Christianity bout between the twotwo apparently took place, though I have yet to learn which side won, once and for all.

https://historyforatheists.com/2018/08/sam-harris-horrible-histories/

Each has mastered history as well as I have managed to remember a random episode of Charles in Charge I saw in reruns decades ago.

Blogger Akulkis April 08, 2019 6:19 PM  

who cares if she's hot? Latina ago't white. you're just like the yellow fever idiots.

Blogger David Ray Milton April 08, 2019 6:21 PM  

The real litmus test is immigration. If an intellectual believes in mass third world immigration, then I am not going to listen to what they have to say about anything else.

Blogger Joe Smith April 08, 2019 6:34 PM  

The lone progressive that hasn't been let in on The Narrative. He's looking around saying, "what the hell... these guys are progressives!" The rest of his brethren probably shot him a thousand emails telling him to shut his pie hole before the American "conservatives" have to officially notice too.

Blogger John April 08, 2019 6:45 PM  

SJWs call Peterson and Shapiro and the other dorks 'gateways to the alt-Right,' and they're probably right. So at least they have one redeeming feature.

Blogger Fractional Reserve Spanking Bear April 08, 2019 7:10 PM  

I see what you mean and I respect your optimistic outlook, however, I feel like they don't give a single shit about those issues at all and implement a a sort of conservative weather vain. They wet their fingers, hold them up, find the wind and deploy a idealogical dopelganger to fit in with the cool kids. They do this in order to continue to subvert and indoctrinate those who agree on certain issues. Or as Vox would put it they ingratiate themselves by predictive mirroring.

Blogger Fractional Reserve Spanking Bear April 08, 2019 7:13 PM  

They don't care...they think they are saving the world!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 08, 2019 7:14 PM  

Reads like a giant brick of "f*** you".

"They oppose SJW insanity and correctly identity it as creating an equal and opposite reaction."

"Doctor, slow down the adulte... *cough* ...the transplantation process. We're starting to see an "allergic" reaction!"

Blogger Rhys April 08, 2019 7:38 PM  

what the hell do these colors mean? He didn't explain it in his article, unless I'm retarded. I assumed intensity of support, until I saw the pink "pro"s on Shapiro's side...what gives???

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 08, 2019 7:48 PM  

WHat I think is not duly recognized is that these IDW types are only "on board" with the issues because they pay lip service to them.
On guns for example, the best we get out of the usual neocons is "enforce existing laws". No mention at all that 99 percent of the existing laws are pointless infringements on the second amendment. In my lifetime the first time I ever heard a truth on the second amendment was from Ron Paul when he stated that it was intended to provide us a means to guard against tyranny. Before that? "Hunters are safe with me". Meaning: your 3 shot bolt action deer rifle that you will probably have to jump through 50 hoops to get is safe.
But that's just a narrow example. Lip service is the key here. The recognizable pattern here is in how the maintain the status quo, and ignore how the status got to be so quo in the first place, like it just happened entirely out of control, like a thunderstorm or something. With the IDW we get rhetoric for normies who lean right while everything continues to slide left.

Blogger English Tom April 08, 2019 8:00 PM  

Rubin has also said some interesting things about white people.

Blogger Rickaby007 April 08, 2019 8:24 PM  

Gee whiz, it's almost like they really are controlled opposition.

Blogger Ransom Smith April 08, 2019 8:29 PM  

KILL ALL YANKEES
That was the only one that truly needed to be said.

Blogger Rough Carrigan April 08, 2019 8:52 PM  

#51, as Mencken noted, the urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.

Blogger Brett baker April 08, 2019 8:58 PM  

How'd that work out last time?

Blogger All Day Coffee break April 08, 2019 9:07 PM  

"KILL ALL YANKEES"
F that. Midwest here and I'm not moving.

Vox keeps saying cold places are better anyway.

Blogger spinoza April 08, 2019 9:09 PM  

Do you believe in gun ownership?
Many jokes and laughs could be spawned from a stupid question like this.
Gun ownership
The use of this cliche forces the destruction of either worlds meaning, ie guns are not guns or ownership is not ownership,

With this chart it is evident the latter is Peterson's main purpose. He is such a stand out guy but according to the chart he wont be useful to his masters until there are global carbon austerity measures implemented.

A trained gun implies ownership just as being a jew implies hatred of Christ.

Blogger eclecticme April 08, 2019 9:43 PM  

When I first read about the IDW I just laughed. I consider myself right wing and I never heard of it. Maybe Vox should apply for membership and get rejected because he is conservative.

Blogger eclecticme April 08, 2019 9:47 PM  

@ 60. All Day Coffee break April 08, 2019 9:07 PM

"KILL ALL YANKEES"
F that. Midwest here and I'm not moving.

Vox keeps saying cold places are better anyway.

Maybe, maybe not. The Scandicucks invite in the turd world to show how virtuous they are. See St. Cloud MN and Mpls MN. Then the meat packing plants invite the turd world to work at their plants in St. Cloud MN and Nebraska, etc.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 08, 2019 9:47 PM  

"until I saw the pink "pro"s on Shapiro's side...what gives???"

I'd assume it means that his mouth says pro but his feet say con.

Blogger Blume April 08, 2019 9:56 PM  

I would be willing to secede everything north of the Mason Dixon line and amend the resolution to kill all Yankees south of the mason dixon line.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len April 09, 2019 5:36 AM  

If we're throwing out names, what about Ron Unz? His website hosts some solid citizens, but he seems to be a squishy centrist of the rather sad "socially liberal but fiscally conservative" bent.

Blogger Not Important April 09, 2019 5:38 AM  

It's almost like the Intellectual Dork Web aren't a bunch radical right-wing ideologes but rather progressives who got left behind in the permanent revoltion.

Blogger Avalanche April 09, 2019 6:53 AM  

@1 "CATAPULTING IMMIGRANTS OVER WALL EXCEPT FOR THE HOT LATINA IN THAT AR15 AD (Pro)"

ONLY if she is sterilized! No more damned miscegenation and half-breeds!

Blogger Avalanche April 09, 2019 6:56 AM  

@10 "What is a good book to read about Lincoln?"

Here's a good place to start:

http://www.sam-dickson.com/AbrahamLincoln.htm
Shattering the Icon of Abraham Lincoln
by Sam Dickson

Blogger Avalanche April 09, 2019 6:58 AM  

@15 "Benji-boy keeps getting away with all the backstabbing. It's absolutely amazing that he can turn his back to conservatives"

He's Super-Jew; the Cons are afraid of his tribe -- either being called a.s.; or losing their phony-baloney jobs!

Blogger Avalanche April 09, 2019 7:00 AM  

@19 "David the Good for President."

Nah, he'd be better than Coulter as DHS head -- NOT a woman, AND likes to compost our enemies! Don't make him waste his time rolling Easter eggs at the WH and sh|t: the man for ONE mission! Go, David the Good, Go!!

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 09, 2019 10:28 AM  

Ben Shapiro—yes, the conservative one—actually needs private security because of his open criticism of the alt-right.

This is absolutely comical. Even the Jew-baiters of the alt-reich types who enjoy messing with Shapiro are never going to attack him. Ben Shapiro has a persecution complex. He was claiming at one point that he was the most targeted Jew on Twitter or something. Nobody views him as a serious enemy. 1/2 of the alt-reich types are taking a check from the ADL anyway.
Yordan Yordanov wrote:. It's absolutely amazing that he can turn his back to conservatives at every opportunity and not only keep surviving, but continuous to grow.
It's really not when you consider the model he uses to grow, which is to have billionaire backers who shove you down the right's throat. Shapiro does not have an organic audience.

The first time I heard of little Benny was his supposed takedown of Piers Morgan. He has a face for radio and voice for writing.

Blogger Birdman April 09, 2019 11:11 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Abraham Lincoln, our first Communist president

@4 Stg/Animal Mother

Along those lines, he was also the only president other than Obama who wasn't a Christian -- a closeted agnostic/atheist.


don't forget widrow wilson, then after that....

Blogger xevious2030 April 09, 2019 12:22 PM  

@1 I remember when people said it was impossible to get all the illegals out of the US. They didn’t seem to find the number of platforms and rate of delivery providing a reasonable timeframe as amusing. Didn’t care then, don’t care now.

Blogger McJibblits April 10, 2019 8:46 AM  

>CATAPULTING IMMIGRANTS OVER WALL EXCEPT FOR THE HOT LATINA IN THAT AR15 AD (Pro)

That's a policy I could really get behind.

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts