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Wednesday, April 24, 2019

The Perversion Files

The Boy Scouts of America are now officially deader than a Norwegian parrot pining for the fjords.
More alarming details have surfaced about how many people were listed in the Boy Scouts of America’s “perversion files,” according to lawyers who demand the full release of thousands of names of alleged offenders in the files. Nearly 200 of them are from New York and New Jersey.

Though allegations came to light Monday night, a victims' rights attorney who compiled an "incomplete" list of former Boy Scout leaders accused of abuse in New York held a press conferences Tuesday to discuss what he claims to be a widespread pattern of abuse. He also asked more victims to come forward.

The victims’ rights attorney, Jeff Anderson, called it a system of denial and cover-ups. He claims the Boy Scouts have files on child abusers within their ranks dating back to the 1940s.

"For many, many years there's been an excavation of what are called the 'perversion files' — those are files held and hoarded at the Boy Scouts of America headquarters," Anderson said during Tuesday's New York press conference, adding that "those 'perversion files' that they've had reflect that they have removed thousands of offenders of childhood sexual abuse over the years and they've kept that in files secretly."
One can't help but assume that Hollywood is already engaging in a bidding war for the television rights for the tale of these poor, put-upon pedos who were unfairly oppressed for decades before finally successfully fighting for their civil right to take little boys camping without their parents. A real triumph of the human spirit film, bound for Oscar glory. Steven Spielberg to direct.

Predators always go where the prey is. Never, ever lose sight of that.

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107 Comments:

Blogger Hammerli 280 April 24, 2019 8:17 AM  

If they can show a policy of inaction going back to the 1940s, the Boy Scout are dead.

And the homosexual part of this should not be neglected.

Blogger SonofLonginus April 24, 2019 8:21 AM  

One wonders what the rate of increase has been since they started letting figolas in.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 24, 2019 8:24 AM  

If you look like prey, you'll be eaten.

Kids *always* look like prey to a small but very real proportion of the human population. I will never understand the fad/fashion of social trust underlying a willingness to allow others unfettered access to ones children.

Blogger Miguel April 24, 2019 8:40 AM  

The Boy Scouts have been marked for destruction specially since they attacked Obama and aligned with Trump.

I am sure that the pro-abortion Girl's Scout is lesbian-free.

Blogger PJW Gent April 24, 2019 8:50 AM  

"Predators always go where the prey is. Never, ever lose sight of that."
Why do you think so many people come to the U.S.

Blogger LZ April 24, 2019 8:55 AM  

I came across Troops of St. George the other day, a scouting option for Catholics.

Blogger Lazzaloveman April 24, 2019 9:04 AM  

My BIL is a scout leader and scouting zealot. He flatly refuses to believe that letting f@gs in will be bad in any way. He's a good man, and loves scouting, and his son is an eagle scout whom I'm really proud of. Nobody so blind as he who will not see, I guess. Still, it's a tragedy.

Blogger Nate April 24, 2019 9:09 AM  

never got the boy scout thing. never made sense to me. I concluded it must be a way for city boys to learn the stuff that rural kids learn simply by being rural kids.

Blogger Lazzaloveman April 24, 2019 9:13 AM  

My BIL is a scout leader and scouting zealot. He flatly refuses to believe that letting f@gs in will be bad in any way. He's a good man, and loves scouting, and his son is an eagle scout whom I'm really proud of. Nobody so blind as he who will not see, I guess. Still, it's a tragedy.

Blogger RandyB April 24, 2019 9:14 AM  

Excellent work by the investigators.

Now let's see the same for youth sports.

All organizations.
All sports.
All age levels.

And audit their books as well.

There are a lot of benefits to sports, especially for boys and men. Those benefits do not exempt sports organizations from accountability. Because the benefits are so important, the accountability is just as important.

Blogger Gregory the Great April 24, 2019 9:16 AM  

When I was about 10 years old I went to a meeting of a European equivalent of the boy scouts. The meeting was led by a boy of about 16 years. I remember that we learnt how to read maps which I found very interesting. Then at the end there was a ceremony called something like "ham-slapping". You had to stand slightly bent-over while the others took turns in slapping you on one cheek of your buttocks. I found this somehow disturbing, although I could not tell why, and never went there again.

Blogger Amy April 24, 2019 9:17 AM  

So many proud scouts in my area, a rural enough area for my state. Eagle Scouts abound and it’s next to a religion for some people.

The moms who are den mothers for the little boys have their hearts in the right place, I know a few and I believe they have good intentions (road to hell disclaimers etc.), but they don’t have any cynicism about it at all. Not a whit/

This will end Boy Scouts as we knew it. They may be forced to merge with Girl Scouts for the sake of appearances. Either way, done for.

Nate, I knew a rah-rah Boy Scout who made eagle and never let an opportunity pass to let us know the right and honorable history and purpose of the scouts, as training for the next generation of soldiers and protectors of the nation...maybe that’s true. I’m skeptical of his claims that Eagle Scouts were considered de facto soldiers who could be called upon to take up arms for the local police in emergencies.

He became a cop, go figure. A disgraced one at that, been caught stealing ammo and knives from a store. Go Scouts!

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 24, 2019 9:25 AM  

Predators always go where the prey is. Never, ever lose sight of that.

Indeed. I was watching Blue Planet a few weeks ago and was a bit appalled that in the Arctic in Spring, a Polar bear has to find and kill a baby seal in order to feed her cub. In other words, it's a choice between a cute baby seal or a cute baby polar bear cub.

While humanity is made in the image of God, we are still, at least in part, animal in nature. And predatory animals always target babies and children for a quick, easy fix.

Blogger Neil Patrick Carris April 24, 2019 9:32 AM  

This is why we homeschool and take our son to Bible Church. I don't trust teachers, scout leaders or tranny storytime at the public library.

Blogger Up from the pond April 24, 2019 9:34 AM  

Institutions are only as good as the people in them.

Blogger szook April 24, 2019 9:35 AM  

Yes, Nate, basically, that's it.

Blogger Shimshon April 24, 2019 9:38 AM  

There's more than one way to pine for a fjord.

Blogger Rhys April 24, 2019 9:39 AM  

They do a lot more than look the part. Children are damn near defenseless against freaks. The only thing they have is their innate fear, which is of course deemed a thoughtcrime.

Blogger sammibandit April 24, 2019 9:40 AM  

@dc.sunsets, it takes a village to raise a child. Now fork them over. That's a threat, not an aphorism.

Blogger Stilicho April 24, 2019 9:42 AM  

"And the homosexual part of this should not be neglected."

Part? It is the entirety of it: it is the reason for the abuse and the reason for the cover-up.

@Nate: agree-- we did and learned those things as part of growing up in the country. We weren't quite Huck Finn, but we were pretty wild and free--certainly by current standards.

Blogger Richard Holmes April 24, 2019 9:43 AM  

never got the boy scout thing. never made sense to me. I concluded it must be a way for city boys to learn the stuff that rural kids learn simply by being rural kids. - Nate

Very True!

I never was in the boy scouts, never had my kids join the boy scouts. I did however teach and still am teaching my adult children how to hunt AND be a sniper and hunt humans in case of a civil war or an invasion from a foreign country.

Blogger Richard Holmes April 24, 2019 9:44 AM  

Wow... Y'all must be sick of trolls and sjw types. Moderating messages. Plus and minuses to having to do that. No need to post this. Just a message to the moderator. I feel your pain man!

Blogger Jab Burrwalky April 24, 2019 9:47 AM  

Originally it was that, yes, but also and maybe primarily a comraderie thing. And a patriotism thing. The boyscouts used to be heavily patriotic, opening with a pledge and often a prayer. Not what they do now,aside from promoting pedophilia.

Blogger FUBARwest April 24, 2019 9:55 AM  

Probably true Nate but something needs to fill that void.

Blogger RobertDWood April 24, 2019 9:56 AM  

I did Cub scouts in late 90s, boy scouts early 2000, Eagle scout 2006.
My experience was restricted to a group sponsored by a Christian Homeschool organization and rrstrirest membership into the troop very effectively. Many of the downsides were protected from and many of the upsides cultivated. Leadership development, problem-solving, morality because of God, ect.

One of the more uncomfortable and awkward conversations my father and I ever had was at age 11. One of the requirements to earn your base level Scout rank was to work through a booklet with a guardian or trusted adult on what sexual predation looked like, how to avoid it and how to say no. That was a requirement for all scouts to do.

In light of this, maybe some good people drove it as a requirement to help play defense against the things under the rugs? Not sure when that requirement came into place.

Blogger KG April 24, 2019 10:08 AM  

One of the great joys of fatherhood is getting to teach your boys all of the stuff the boy/they scouts would teach. Why would anyone want to hand that off to some pervs?

Blogger Martin April 24, 2019 10:18 AM  

Now we not why they started letting girls in. All the straight pedophiles were feeling left out.

Blogger LES April 24, 2019 10:27 AM  

That puts a new meaning to boy scouts.

Blogger Slagenthor April 24, 2019 10:29 AM  

Nate: you are correct. Most people aren't fortunate enough to grow up in rural or rural/exurb areas.

Also, in years past it was also a good way for sons of broken homes to get manned-up...a case which is particularly evil to have allowed to occur: predation on the most vulnerable of the prey.

Blogger Chris Ritchie April 24, 2019 10:31 AM  

Was a Cub Scout for one year, 8 years old I think, then parent's got divorced and that was that. Sometimes good things come from bad situations. Not being prey to the Boy Scouts was fortunate.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 24, 2019 10:32 AM  

I don't see why having these files is bad in and of itself. Having a list of men who you know like kiddies seems like a good idea to me. Without this list, kiddie diddlers could move around, particularly before everything was computerized.

I would love to know what the rate was before and after homosexuals were allowed in to the Scouts.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 24, 2019 10:33 AM  

Nate, there was also a latent military flavor to it, which is part of why I was subconsciously drawn to BSA.

Blogger Chris Ritchie April 24, 2019 10:34 AM  

I will never understand the fad/fashion of social trust underlying a willingness to allow others unfettered access to ones children.

My dad and his wife (a woman I never really knew) demanded access to our children every two weeks and wanted to take them places by themselves. We grew suspicious and cut that off saying they could come and join our family for dinner any time or go on outings with us on the weekends. They got upset that we were holding them accountable.

They don't see our children any more.

Blogger Clay April 24, 2019 10:34 AM  

Well, Nate, you might be right. I'm an Eagle Scout, but my dad died when I was just four, leaving my mom with five kids, ranging from 4 months to twelve years old.

Didn't really have a male figure to mentor me. I suppose it was difficult for my mom to find a man who would marry a woman with 5 brats, no matter how pretty she may have been.

I am very sorry for the sorrowful demise of the BSA. It helped a lot of kids.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 24, 2019 10:53 AM  

Nate wrote:never got the boy scout thing. never made sense to me. I concluded it must be a way for city boys to learn the stuff that rural kids learn simply by being rural kids.

The Boy Scouts were one of the important ways of handing down culture to the next generation.

The Catholic elementary school I attended sponsored a local Cub Scouts chapter. Though, yes, it was about as city as you can get, it was really not about the nature and wilderness stuff.
It also helped build community. The parents all knew each other and the kids knew all the parents. It directed boy's energy into positive things. It helped in building discipline.
Thank god there were no perverts that I know of in that chapter.

Blogger Slagenthor April 24, 2019 11:03 AM  

@Stg

If you look at Robeet Baden Powell, the Scouts we're intended from the outset to have a paramilitary flavor

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 24, 2019 11:16 AM  

Slagenthor, yes that's what I'm referring to.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 24, 2019 11:18 AM  

Also, the standard Boy Scout uniform is an approximation of the Marine Corps service bravo and Charlie uniforms.

Blogger Nate April 24, 2019 11:30 AM  

"Nate, I knew a rah-rah Boy Scout who made eagle and never let an opportunity pass to let us know the right and honorable history and purpose of the scouts, as training for the next generation of soldiers and protectors of the nation...maybe that’s true. I’m skeptical of his claims that Eagle Scouts were considered de facto soldiers who could be called upon to take up arms for the local police in emergencies."

/facepalm

I am shocked to learn that boy scouts are now using embarassing ROTC lies to hide their self-loathing.

Blogger Glacierman April 24, 2019 11:41 AM  

And Canada just released the "gay Loonie".

A celebration of homosexuality now enshrined on our one dollar coin, coming to a pocket near you.

https://www-cbc-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5107077?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Ftoronto%2Floonie-lgbtq-1.5107077

Blogger Uncephalized April 24, 2019 11:43 AM  

When I was in (ca. 1995-2006, Cub Scouts through Eagle Scout) it was a leadership and life skills program. A pretty effective one at that. Yes, we did lots of camping, fishing, shooting etc. But especially at the higher ranks the focus was on leading other boys, resolving disputes, planning and organizing group events, and giving back to the community through service projects.

My troop didn't have any openly gay or even creepy leaders and I don't know of any 'incidents' during my tenure. Doesn't mean it didn't happen of course.

I am mad as hell that they are on a decades-long path of self destruction through progressivism. I hoped to put my boy through a similar program to the one I loved but now I'm wondering if I am going to have to start a rival organization myself to revive the masculine traditions. I'm sure I could find some other Eagles with a similar notion.

Blogger Uncephalized April 24, 2019 11:46 AM  

He was a virtue signaller. Go figure. I like to think most of us are quieter about our regard for a program that helped shape us into men, and a little humbler about just what caliber of man that is.

Blogger kurt9 April 24, 2019 11:46 AM  

This is very stupid for BSA. They had a pedo ring among the scout masters in my hometown (Spokane) during the 1970's that resulted in at least two suicides (that I am aware of), a defrocked Catholic priest, and a series of lawsuits against both BSA and the Catholic church.

I can't believe they want to risk going down this path again.

Blogger rycamor April 24, 2019 11:51 AM  

An organization such as this that was not explicitly Christian was doomed to be co-opted. This is why I much prefer Christian Service Brigade. Of course I'm sure it has had its problems too, but at least there is a built-in understanding of what the leaders should stand for, and a mechanism to filter out the human garbage.

Blogger CM April 24, 2019 11:52 AM  

Well, Nate, you might be right. I'm an Eagle Scout, but my dad died when I was just four, leaving my mom with five kids, ranging from 4 months to twelve years old.

Didn't really have a male figure to mentor me. I suppose it was difficult for my mom to find a man who would marry a woman with 5 brats, no matter how pretty she may have been.

I am very sorry for the sorrowful demise of the BSA. It helped a lot of kids.


I figured it for a post-industrial age thing where fathers spent less time working away from home and had less time to educate their boys on boy things.

I married a third gen engineer, so there's no outdoor knowledge there. My family is the outdoorsy type (and when my brother gets home from Australia, he has a job to do). I was the stay home and sew type, so I got some knowledge, but not enough to pass down.

Trail Life looked promising, but our chapter is disorganized and not communicative.

Blogger Stryker4570 April 24, 2019 12:08 PM  

My boys joined the Boy Scouts for one year. I went with them to every meeting. My wife and I decided to take them out of the organization because it was always and seemingly only about fundraising. Yes, they would do projects and activities, but the last thirty minutes of every meeting was devoted to selling stuff. No thank you

Blogger Barbarossa April 24, 2019 12:20 PM  

@40 Not sure what ROTC lies you're referencing. A cadet or midshipman in ROTC is part of DoD and officially part of the rank structure. Depending on the particular program, the cadet/midshipman is at some point in college required to sign a commitment and is then contractually bound to join the service.

Perhaps you were meaning to say JROTC? There is no contractual obligation to serve upon completion of JROTC, nor are junior cadets considered part of the rank structure.

Blogger Desdichado April 24, 2019 12:27 PM  

The Scouts wasn't about teaching outdoors skills, camping, tying knots, building fires, or preparing another generation of soldiers, although all of those things might have been happy side-effects of Scouts when it was a healthy organization.

Scouts is about providing leadership skills with your peers, teaching responsibility, setting of goals, and the propagation of traditional American culture. It's fall into degeneracy and poz at the national level is more tragic than many realize, although it's still a symptom rather than a cause of anything.

That said, what happens at the national level is still a far cry from what happens at the local level. Although I've long since cut any nostalgic ties with the Scouts because of what they once were, I still recognize what they once were and recognize that at a local level, they still can be a fraction of what they once were too. Until the national changes get pushed down, of course, and they can't be avoided any more.

Quite honestly, for over a generation, at least, the bigger problem with scouts at the local level is that it had become the no-cut social alternative for boys who couldn't make it in any other venue. It's only very recently that it's other problems have started catching up to it.

Blogger Kep Hartman April 24, 2019 12:30 PM  

Let's throw out the baby with the bathwater, guys.

Any organization has bad actors. It's easy to oversimplify any organization and cast shade on it due to a small percentage of bad actors. Surprised even more that the midwits here are doing so.

Despite its flaws, Scouting has been a notable bulwark against the wussification of America, and the corruption of its citizens into globalists' minions.

It's awful that it protected pervs, and that more was not done at the local level to prevent predation.

Its mission is valid, and it has been effective in its pursuit of building character and patriotic citizens.

But is has been converged; its days of glory are past.

Blogger BrionyB April 24, 2019 12:30 PM  

"I am sure that the pro-abortion Girl's Scout is lesbian-free."

Can't comment on that, but in the UK the Girl Guides have been infiltrated by transgender ideology. Parents can't even be informed if their daughter is sharing sleeping accommodation with "transgirls", i.e. boys, on overnight trips, or that the "woman" in charge of the group is a man in a dress, because to do so would be transphobic and a violation of the trans person's privacy.

What could possibly go wrong?

Blogger Unknown April 24, 2019 12:50 PM  

When will the media begin investigating the largest pedo trap in the United States? That is the public school system? Seems almost as the state media has a vested interest in destroying the competition instead of going after the biggest players....

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 24, 2019 12:54 PM  

When some point sticks in my head, and my mind revisits it easily, I can lend truth to it for further rumination. For example, the thousands of reasons to know civilization is collapsing that I keep on my perceptual shelf does nothing against that one thing Vox brought up in regards to a civilization's ability to "keep people alive in cities".

So here I am wondering about a civilization's ability to have any organization geared towards children and see to it that they are not victimized by degenerates.

It's not looking good.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus April 24, 2019 1:07 PM  

Participation in two organizations was practically mandatory when I was growing up in a sleepy port town, summer baseball and boy scouts. Our local troops were run quasi-military given most fathers had served their hitch as conscripts or because John Wayne said so.

We practiced emergency relief and response, for example, "safely" disposing of faux radioactive waste by collaboratively digging a deep pit away from water sources, tying long ropes to a liberated innertube, stretching and maneuvering the inntertube around the isotopic bundle from a distance, and then working together on the ropes to drag the bundle into the pit. We danced around giant bonfires with the local indian tribe. I can still sing "trail the eagle" and "brown sea" as well as recite the BSA prayer and oath.

I should have realized demise was imminent when our BSA council sold its permanent local camp to real estate developers. I regret the loss of BSA for personal and cultural reasons.

Blogger S. Thermite April 24, 2019 1:07 PM  

I am shocked to learn that boy scouts are now using embarassing ROTC lies to hide their self-loathing.

Don’t know how thing are now, but back when I was a homeschooled rural kid earning my Eagle, it was touted as an advantage for acceptance into the Air Force academy. Certainly more than just being named “Bubba” and knowing how to start a campfire with diesel fuel on the back forty.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 24, 2019 1:16 PM  

Neil Patrick Carris wrote:I don't trust teachers, scout leaders or tranny storytime at the public library.

It's really difficult for me to wrap my head around the fact that "Drag Queen Story Hour" is an actual thing. That we live in a world where 5 year old children are encouraged to go to public libraries so they can be read to by mentally ill people and sexual predators. This is considered normal in current year.

What evil will be considered normal and unremarkable in future current years and brought to you by tax payers?

Now that we are allowing children to pick their gender and give them hormone blockers and meet their favorite drag queens, expect a big push to give children sex rights. They are going to push for the "human right" children have to "enjoy sex."
Moira Greyland really pushed this point in "The Last Closet" LGBT advocates have been pushing this in their writings for decades, even when she was a little girl. Both of her parents pushed this stuff in their writings. Since I do not spend my time reading LGBT material, like most normal people, I had no idea how prevalent this really is or how widespread it is in LGBT circles.

Blogger Verne April 24, 2019 1:32 PM  

The Boy Scouts has only been men and boys in it up to last year. The abuse could be nothing but homosexual

Blogger Birdman April 24, 2019 1:37 PM  

Stilicho wrote:"And the homosexual part of this should not be neglected."

Part? It is the entirety of it: it is the reason for the abuse and the reason for the cover-up.

@Nate: agree-- we did and learned those things as part of growing up in the country. We weren't quite Huck Finn, but we were pretty wild and free--certainly by current standards.


a lot of people still refused to see the facts

Blogger dc.sunsets April 24, 2019 1:52 PM  

@5 The people flocking to the USA aren't predators, they're PARASITES. There's a world of difference between prey and host, not the least of which is that if your fellowmen insist on encouraging parasitism, you'll have a very difficult time keeping the ticks off you. The rapid spread of concealed carry of firearms is how Americans are dealing with the desire of so many fellowmen to behave like prey.

@19 I don't buy it. Like reading the personal trials and tribulations of whites in South Africa, a generality doesn't demand every specific.

Perhaps I was placed in the position that my kids were *required* to be out of my sight, in the presence of potential predators. If this was so, perhaps it was something about me that suggested other prey was better; the movie Law Abiding Citizen wasn't out back then, but I'm sure most people could infer what I'd do if anyone laid a finger on one of mine.

Sample bias is everywhere, and renders almost everything we read/see/hear in the news essentially meaningless.

PS: in hindsight I'd tell my kids this rule: if someone with whom you do not have a monogamous, physically-intimate relationship brings up anything remotely connected to sex, sexuality or body parts so related, there's a 99% chance they're trying to manipulate you.

Manipulation can take many forms, much of it benign, but being someone's chump is never good, so the moment someone begins steering the subject toward such areas it's time to step back and ask yourself just W. T. F. is their game?
(Having a hand on a weapon at that point isn't over-doing it.) If the person doing it exists in a very different layer of power (teacher, mentor, a generation ahead, etc.) then you can BET they're up to no good. True predators are skilled at incrementally working from perfectly innocent to a little edgy, to a little more edgy, etc. If you experience this, seek adult help. You're being targeted.

Blogger liberranter April 24, 2019 1:54 PM  

Given recent events in the RCC, what would make anybody think that such an organization is any safer or more wholesome a place for a kid than the BSA?

Blogger Avalanche April 24, 2019 2:18 PM  

@18 " Children are damn near defenseless against freaks. The only thing they have is their innate fear, which is of course deemed a thoughtcrime."

Lady at the Y was virtue-signaling. She was preening about how her 4-yr-old son was learning in school that "we are ALL the same, there is no difference between the races!!" I spoke up -- I just HAD to dammnit! -- "you're doing a huge disservice to your son. He can easily see there is a big difference between himself and the black kids in his class -- not LEAST of which is skin color, and there is also louder and rougher play, and he has a daddy at home and they don't, and so on. HOW, at 4, does he figure this out? You're HIS MOMMY! And ... his little brain is going: mommy says there is no difference, but I can SEE the color difference and other differences ... but it's MOMMY! So I must DISREGARD what I can actually see and pretend I don't see it!" Glowering at her, sternly: "Is THAT really what you intend to teach your son?! To NOT trust his own senses?!" And I stalked away, leaving her behind with her horrified look.

Hope it made a dent.

Blogger Uncephalized April 24, 2019 2:18 PM  

@47 Stryker4570 "My wife and I decided to take them out of the organization because it was always and seemingly only about fundraising. Yes, they would do projects and activities, but the last thirty minutes of every meeting was devoted to selling stuff. No thank you"

Gross. My troop was not like that but it was predominantly made up of well-off upper middle class kids and parents, so we probably weren't too needy of funds. We did the annual popcorn sale drive and it didn't take center stage at all.

@49 Desdichado, @50 Kep Hartman, well said and agreed.

@53 Doktor Jeep "So here I am wondering about a civilization's ability to have any organization geared towards children and see to it that they are not victimized by degenerates."

It requires active involvement and constant vigilance by parents and trusted community members. And proper education of the children to be able to spot the warning signs of a predator in their midst.

As others have pointed out, the wolves will always go where the sheep are. The shepherds and sheepdogs have to be on alert at all times.

Blogger sammibandit April 24, 2019 2:23 PM  

By the time my dad quit leading Scouts it was a babysitting operation. Parents weren't interested in volunteering. They just saw 2 hours baby sitting for 2.00 dues. Some regularly forgot to pick up their boys at 9pm.

We used to never have a problem finding parental volunteers. Before he quit, I even helped out on field trips. That's how short staffed the leadership was.

Without parents involved the kids, especially boys, are rudderless and vulnerable. I don't want to get too into it but I know of at least one blacklist for prospective leaders. Yes, they keep reapplying.

FWIW Guides Canada is looser in letting leaders in. Less oversight of females and their creepy boyfriends. Even had a leader who was a young offender on community service. She always brought her older boyfriend to Guide meetings. My mom and I quit that org because the young offender got kids hurt with hot glue.

Blogger Noah B. April 24, 2019 2:32 PM  

never got the boy scout thing. never made sense to me. I concluded it must be a way for city boys to learn the stuff that rural kids learn simply by being rural kids.

Any organization that size becomes a target, and this was true even when we were kids. So the Boy Scouts couldn't do the fun things that people tend to perceive as being dangerous - like hunting, making booby-traps and improvised weapons, rounding up rattlesnakes, etc. All the things that should be a part of every boy's childhood.

Blogger Nate April 24, 2019 2:43 PM  

"Let's throw out the baby with the bathwater, guys."

baby? There is no baby. This was a baby 100 years ago. Now? that baby grew up into a briefly productive adult who eventually turned into a full on SJW pedo freak.

But hey... you have an emotional attachment to some badges so hey... lets pretend all that hasn't happened.

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson April 24, 2019 3:16 PM  

The Boy Scouts has known that their organization was full of pedos going back to at least the 80's. All they did was make a creepy video about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LR-Z0U_3V8

Blogger Silent Draco April 24, 2019 3:17 PM  

BrionyB, that was sarcasm you quoted. The Girl Scouts were able to keep their lesbian problem a lot quieter because girl power and 'don't hit the girl.' The leader problem was real and fairly widespread.

Our local GS council had to be destroyed: too white, too well financed, too successful. Destruction was by internal cancer administered by the executive director, eerily like SJWADD. The killer was being merged with two minority-heavy councils that were financial disasters, all "for the girls." The residence camps were just sold, after logging off timber.

Blogger JohnofAustria April 24, 2019 3:18 PM  

@uncephalized, same. I was 95-02, and an Eagle. It was very different back then. I wouldn't want my sons in it now.

Blogger JohnofAustria April 24, 2019 3:22 PM  

>Nearly 200 of them are from New York and New Jersey.

Uh, anyone else smell gefilte fish? Do Jews do a lot of BSA leading?

Blogger Amy April 24, 2019 3:39 PM  

I was in the auto shop yesterday, paying for new tires on the car, and caught this news story.

The person giving the press conference was a young woman. I figured maybe she was the sister of a victim speaking o/b/o, but she was just some generic person with no connections to any cases or Boy Scouts, but she was an abuse victim, so, eminently qualified to talk about the matter.

I no longer scratch my head over this stuff, because Grrl Power is paramount to everything and everyone else’s suffering and matters of justice.

Blogger tublecane April 24, 2019 3:41 PM  

@1- I realize they let girls into the Boy Scouts now, but I'm pretty sure men messing with boys is all homo, not part.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey April 24, 2019 3:53 PM  

If, like me, you were a boy raised pretty much by a single mother, the BSA was a godsend. Forget about the merit badges and learning outdoorsy skills and so forth. All that was just a bonus. My troop gave good leadership and mentoring from strong, Christian father-figures and that was invaluable and much needed at that stage of my life.

All that is totally destroyed, tho, the BSA has been dead for years now. Today it's a skin suit.

Blogger SciVo April 24, 2019 4:05 PM  

Glacierman wrote:And Canada just released the "gay Loonie".

Noooo, don't do it Canada, that's what asylums are for!!!

Blogger SciVo April 24, 2019 4:15 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:So here I am wondering about a civilization's ability to have any organization geared towards children and see to it that they are not victimized by degenerates.

It might have a chance, if the first three words in its charter are "Physiognomy is real." But at this point in our civilization's decline, if an org isn't explicitly just for people that speak hard truths, then it will be taken over by polite liars.

Blogger Zander Stander April 24, 2019 4:18 PM  

Baden Powell referenced upstream. Empire builder of note. Therefore the passing of the Boy Scouts should be regarded as yet another step away from Empire and not lamented. Its founding principles were the maintenance of Empire, although a different one.

Blogger doctrev April 24, 2019 4:24 PM  

Glacierman wrote:And Canada just released the "gay Loonie".


I'll thank you not to refer to the Prime Minister that way.

Blogger HobokenZephyr April 24, 2019 4:25 PM  

Perhaps the simple fact that each boy in a Troop must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian at all events and at all times.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len April 24, 2019 4:44 PM  

Grrl Power is paramount to everything and everyone else’s suffering and matters of justice

This has gotten so bad I've been forced to agree with Tariq Nasheed on some things. It's positively insane.


What color ribbons will all the Hollywood elites wear for the "Punch a Pedophobe" campaign? All the good colors have been taken, so maybe an olive drab?

And how has this "struggle" not made it into a Star Wars or Marvel flick yet?

Blogger JAG April 24, 2019 4:58 PM  

I was in BSA for a year back in the 1980s because my friend recruited me. Had a lot of fun. Only reached Tenderfoot Rank, and then moved away. My troop was perfectly normal. No gays, no girls, no political agendas.

Blogger Uncephalized April 24, 2019 5:13 PM  

@JohnofAustria do you have kids? My son is 3 so I am starting to think seriously about what to do about this.

Blogger Coyotewise April 24, 2019 5:36 PM  

Ok, who else here was in the Christian alternative to the BSA known as the Royal Rangers? I think it was started because the BSA was already watering down its Christian fundamentals back in the 70's and 80's.

Ironically, Royal Rangers in an incredibly gay sounding name.

Blogger God Emperor Memes April 24, 2019 6:24 PM  

Nah, mate, they're just restin'.

Blogger Crusader Corim April 24, 2019 6:25 PM  

Trail Life USA is an excellent alternative. Aggressively and overtly Christian, mandatory male leadership, no homosexuals.

It's still new and has some teething pain, but it's been fantastic for my boys

Blogger Paul M April 24, 2019 6:37 PM  

sammibandit wrote:@dc.sunsets, it takes a village to raise a child.
Heh. It takes a village for a single mother to raise a child.

Blogger Robert What? April 24, 2019 7:26 PM  

When I was a Boy Scout, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, there were always a couple of fathers along on camping trips. Was that common? When did that change?

Blogger Pseudotsuga April 24, 2019 7:33 PM  

I was in Cub Scouting in the 70s (non church-sponsored), and the Boy Scouts from the late 70s to the 80s, in church-sponsored groups. My Dad was even my scoutmaster for a while, which makes sense because he was outdoors kind of guy (grew up hunting and fishing, and never stopped).
The emphasis as I grew up was basically character building and learning various skills, and doing outdoor activities. It is too bad that the current BSA has sacrificed those things for being "woke" instead.
They seem to have changed the oath from "To keep myself Physically Strong, Mentally Awake, and Morally Straight" into something else to fit with these modern times.
Baden Powell didn't really mean for his Boy Scouts and Girl Guides to be a paramilitary force, but he thought that he could take some of the skills he learned fighting for Queen and Country and use them to counter the moral slackness and depravity of British working class boys at the turn of the century.

Blogger Mad Italian April 24, 2019 7:50 PM  

@Uncephalized try Trail Life.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel April 24, 2019 8:00 PM  

Is the rumbling I hear scouts of the past rolling in their graves over what has been done to the organization?

Blogger sammibandit April 24, 2019 8:04 PM  

It represented a great networking opportunity for millennials when they got into the labor market. A family friend used it in his sales pitch when talking to employers about work (another son of a single mother success story. His mom later married a man she met through Scouts leadership as she was the troop Den Mother). "Were you/your son at AJ/CJ that year too?" That was a popular line for him. Not sure if he's still pitching it.

I'm not anymore. More on that in a bit.

I don't know how to word this but I'm thinking about how Nam vets have always had a hard time with the labor market compared to WWII vets. How the system was all but designed to hobble them with HR worries about employment gaps or lack of college right out of high school. How this relates to the topic at hand is that boomers are excited by that Scouting paramilitary track record whereas gen x is less moved. They might even be turned off if you ping them incorrectly. If my assessment is accurate, then there are repercussions for those mid career or entering the labor force if they were Scouting.

Scouts was in some ways a formalized network for young, white men. Now? ... ... I worry for the gen z ones when they join the labor force. Scouts doesn't have the same cache as it did before the 08 market crash.

Based on my own employment stories it just doesn't excite employers like it used to. I stopped pitching it when my gen x prospect at a company I was interviewing with back in 2017 wanted to talk about the great new direction the organization is taking, which in Canada means merging with Guides. Yeah no. Hard pass.

There's going to be less and less decision makers who look at Scouting as a part of good character as boomers retire. Some might even use it as a way to see if you're sufficiently woke.

Blogger Rhys April 24, 2019 8:19 PM  

It's interesting how much resources are put into protecting pedos in the modern world. It seems they are always dismissed quietly when nobody is looking. Covering up child sex abuse appears to be a symbiotic act for these organizations, who can bargain with the offender to protect their identity and person while the organization gets to avoid negative publicity.

I think that's naturally what you're going to get when an organization moves from the local level to international. The BSA is in a sense a corporation with a CEO, and likely run that way from the very top. The primary mover in this organization, as is evident from allowing gays in the scouts, is far more concerned about the BSA as a brand rather than a community dedicated to a specific cause.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 24, 2019 8:38 PM  

Coyotewise wrote:Ok, who else here was in the Christian alternative to the BSA known as the Royal Rangers?

I know that in the 1980's, the SBC had a program on Wednesday nights for boys called Royal Ambassadors.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 24, 2019 8:46 PM  

Wonder how many of these occurred before the gays were out & how many afterward?

My son was in Scouts, but I stayed w/him the entire time.

Blogger Brick Hardslab April 24, 2019 9:06 PM  

And you hit on one of the big reasons for the targeting. Sure, the degradation of youth is the biggy but they are getting paid to tear down the scouts. The land goes to local developers. If a true reconning is ever held, the results would be bloody.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl April 24, 2019 9:36 PM  

Isn't there a BSA alternative, now? Or, is that just some small, fringe thing?

Blogger Robert Pinkerton April 24, 2019 9:47 PM  

Allowing homo-erotic males to become scoutmasters means giving a pederast opportunity to troll for catamites in a - metaphorical, as-if - hunting preserve.

Blogger Jake Burton April 24, 2019 11:16 PM  

Hey Vox. I just watched Endgame. Yeah, Marvel is going like the comics.

Blogger Birdman April 25, 2019 12:46 AM  

Zeroh Tollrants wrote:Wonder how many of these occurred before the gays were out & how many afterward?

My son was in Scouts, but I stayed w/him the entire time.


this is the one i looking for

Blogger Quilp April 25, 2019 12:52 AM  

I saw a few scouts out with their leader learning to use a compass and map on a hiking trail recently.
Sad that they are preyed upon while learning useful skills. Mine are grown, but no way on earth I'd allow them to be alone with another man at that age, especially not in the wilderness. Passing on knowledge is becoming a problem as we collapse.

Blogger papabear April 25, 2019 1:59 AM  

@50 It doesn't matter if local groups can retain some measure of effectiveness, the brand itself has been ruined. Psychological association of the name with what has been done has an impact.

Blogger Xellos April 25, 2019 2:46 AM  

>not calling them the Pedo Files
>costanza.jpg

Blogger Jack Amok April 25, 2019 2:49 AM  

This is kinda fake news. These "perversion files" aren't pedos that Boy Scouts were trying to cover up for and shuffle around the country like a bunch of pedo priests. These were people who were kicked out for doing something questionable, and their names were put on the list so they couldn't just move three states over and volunteer again in a town where nobody knew them.

This was Scouts trying to do the right thing, so of course they're getting sued and badmouthed for it. Yes, pedos will be attracted to Scouts - they'll be attracted to any place where there are kids. I think an honest assessment would find Scouts did a better job protecting kids than either the public schools or the Catholic church. And maybe a better job than a few other churches too...

Blogger Jack Amok April 25, 2019 2:51 AM  

And all this just reminds me I need to finish that series I'm writing on running a scouting group for your kids.

Blogger John Rockwell April 25, 2019 2:55 AM  

@Stillco
"Part? It is the entirety of it: it is the reason for the abuse and the reason for the cover-up."

They are the sacred protected class in modern degenerate culture. To be against that is "homophobic"

Blogger Jack Amok April 25, 2019 2:55 AM  

never got the boy scout thing. never made sense to me. I concluded it must be a way for city boys to learn the stuff that rural kids learn simply by being rural kids.

Bingo. It literally was started for kids who's fathers had to go off to work in the factories all day, leaving the boys behind under the jurisdiction of females. The goal was to create a substitute for the traditional village structure where a 12 year old boy would be at work with his dad or with one of his dad's friends, and also a substitute for the easy access a rural kid had to the outdoors that a city kid didn't.

Blogger John Rockwell April 25, 2019 3:08 AM  

@Rhys
''It's interesting how much resources are put into protecting pedos in the modern world."

For similar reasons why sodomites are protected from the consequences of their own actions with millions of funding for HIV/AIDs and other diseases that commonly afflict them.

Blogger Shrugger April 25, 2019 4:35 AM  

My son's BSA troop emphasized advancement to Eagle. We parents thought that was great--think of how that would look on his resume! Job candidates who were Eagles impressed us 20 years ago. Now it's irrelevant or a badge of shame.

Blogger Zander Stander April 25, 2019 12:55 PM  

As I mentioned some weeks ago, why is an ex-CIA director the leader of the Scouts?

Blogger Toris April 25, 2019 11:35 PM  

Boy Scouts and their Boy's Life magazine have always been a liberal-international institution, waffling on and on issue after issue about 'World Brotherhood' and 'World Peace'. Hammering in to impressionable young minds the need to break down national boundaries, racial and religious barriers. Christian scouts were constantly messaged that they were brothers to all religious believers. Freemasonry-lite for youth.

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