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Sunday, May 26, 2019

Democrats take on the neocons

The Republicans and the Trump administration would be very well-advised to do the same:
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders took a swipe at neoconservative Bill Kristol for his “foolish advocacy of the Iraq war,” and questioned whether he had apologized to the country for it yet. Sanders was responding to a tweet Kristol sent that said, “#Never Sanders,” and linked to a New York Times article about the longtime Vermont senator’s opposition to war.

“Have you apologized to the nation for your foolish advocacy of the Iraq war?” Sanders tweeted, adding he makes “no apologies for opposing it.”

Kristol tweeted his ‘never Sanders’ diss after the former Burlington mayor introduced a petition to prevent “military action against Iran without congressional approval,” something that likely upset Kristol, who has been calling for regime change in Iran for over 13 years.

Kristol refused to apologize over his comments, instead calling on Sanders to engage in a "real debate on US foreign policy."
Neocons like Bill Kristol, Max Boot, and Ben Shapiro are worse - much worse - and more fundamentally radical than even the most left-wing lunatics the Democratic Party has to offer.

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37 Comments:

Blogger Tars Tarkas May 26, 2019 12:24 PM  

A kosher sandwich. One Jew's bad ideas at war with another Jew's bad ideas.
They must go back!

Blogger MichaelJMaier May 26, 2019 12:31 PM  

Tars Tarkas wrote:A kosher sandwich. One Jew's bad ideas at war with another Jew's bad ideas.

They must go back!


Pray tell.... Why is war with Iran a good thing for the United States? OTHER than fawningly licking Israel's boot, that is.

Blogger SDaly May 26, 2019 12:38 PM  

@2 How could you possibly read Tars' comment as pro- war with Iran. I read it as implying that (1) Kristol's foreign policy ideas are bad; and (2) Sander's domestic socialism is bad.

Blogger Damn the torpedos May 26, 2019 12:39 PM  

Who’s jewing who again?

At any rate I can respect any man for standing up to the warmongers, even if he is dreadful on other issues.

Let the anti imperialism party please exist! I wish left and right would no longer be held hostage by their leaders false promises on social issues and just end. the. forever. war.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 26, 2019 12:47 PM  

Put Bill Kristol on the front lines.

Do people not realize how many good lives have been lost or ruined, how many $trillions were wasted, how much evil is exacerbated on these fraudulent wars?
That should have been invested in improving our nation.
The USA sends aid & troops to defend borders of Kuwait, Korea, Israel, etc. while we can't even get basic border patrol or immigration control on our own country.

and it was planned that way, despite them pretending it's spontaneous developments.

General Wesley Clark on days after 9/11/2001: “We're going to take out 7 countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE

Blogger sammibandit May 26, 2019 1:01 PM  

Interesting NYT interview with Bernie.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/us/bernie-sanders.amp.html

>‘I Did My Best to Stop American Foreign Policy’: Bernie Sanders on the 1980s

Blogger Akuma May 26, 2019 1:02 PM  

The Republicucks would never dare to question the hardon they have for the US Military. This is more a reflection of the electorate than anything.

Also, they are delusional if they think a war with Iran will be like any of the Middle East Wars or Operations. We will be fighting an Islamic Republic that actively despises us and has man power comparable to ours without a draft. This is a war that I dont think the Americans are ready to fight.

Blogger tuberman May 26, 2019 1:03 PM  

There is not 120,000 troops sent to Iran, 1500 troops, not an invasion force... a scalpel force. A 45 deal has likely already been made with Iran. This (BO's bribes) has nothing to do with nukes. The neocons are being played, just like in NK.

A scalpel force can destroy the DS, paid for, bases in Iran, a piece of the Deal by 44. How many rogue three letter ops are there in Iran? There were plenty in NK.

There were Carriers sent to NK area too, and NO WAR. This is a cover for something else.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl May 26, 2019 1:14 PM  

I'm crossing over in the primaries & voting for that old Commie Jew, though I would rather vote for Tulsi or Yang.
Any little help I can give to prevent Joe Biden or Mayor Buttplug being the nominee, I'm up for.
The DNC isn't planning on letting Bernie be the nominee, again, but I will willingly help sow all of the black pilling on the left possible.

Blogger Tars Tarkas May 26, 2019 1:29 PM  

HouellebecqGurl wrote:I'm crossing over in the primaries & voting for that old Commie Jew, though I would rather vote for Tulsi or Yang.

I would rather vote for a hard right wing nationalist party. Either the GOP must be taken over or taken out. We need our own "Enabling Act" and "protective custody" program.

Most importantly, we need to take over the education establishment. I learned how to read with Dick and Jane. Children are being taught to read with 'My Two Daddies" and other subversive books for children and anti-American anti-white history books. They have injected this stuff into other subjects. They are teaching children young enough to still believe in Santa Clause about the joys of anal sex.

Blogger Gettimothy May 26, 2019 1:33 PM  

"Let's you and him fight"
Feels pretty good from the outside looking in

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 26, 2019 1:39 PM  

How is it that a book from 1920s Germany describes current events and jewish behavior better than anything published in the media today?

Bill Kristol approach
"Aided by international influences, he forms a ring of enemies around those nations which have proved themselves too sturdy for him in withstanding attacks from within.
He would like to force them into war and then, if it should be necessary to his plans, he will unfurl the banners of revolt even while the troops are actually fighting at the front."

Bernie Sanders approach
"He felt obliged to let as many people as possible know how deeply the sufferings of the masses grieved him and to what excesses of personal sacrifice he was ready to go in order to help them.
With this manifestation of innate modesty, so typical of the Jew, he trumpeted his virtues before the world until finally the world actually began to believe him.
Those who refused to share this belief were considered to be doing him an injustice.
Thus after a little while he began to twist things around, so as to make it appear that it was he who had always been wronged, and vice versa. There were really some particularly foolish people who could not help pitying this poor unfortunate creature of a Jew.
Attention may be called to the fact that, in spite of his proclaimed readiness to make personal sacrifices, the Jew never becomes poor thereby.
He has a happy knack of always making both ends meet.

For, under the cloak of purely social concepts there are hidden aims which are of a Satanic character.
These aims are even expounded in the open with the clarity of unlimited impudence.
This Marxist doctrine is an individual mixture of human reason and human absurdity; but the combination is arranged in such a way that only the absurd part of it could ever be put into practice, but never the reasonable part of it.
The intelligence behind the movement – for even this movement needs intelligence if it is to subsist – is supplied by the Jews themselves, naturally of course as a gratuitous service which is at the same time a sacrifice on their part.
Thus arose a movement which was composed exclusively of manual workers under the leadership of Jews.
To all external appearances, this movement strives to ameliorate the conditions under which the workers live; but in reality its aim is to enslave and thereby annihilate the non-Jewish races."
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yep, it was Hitler again.

Blogger David Ray Milton May 26, 2019 1:45 PM  

Neoconservatives - We want to share the gift of democracy so much that we will raze your country to give it to you. Yep, that even includes if you are ideologically and religiously opposed to it.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon May 26, 2019 1:56 PM  

The USA is so great. You have rancorous disputes between an outright Jewish communist (Sanders) and a fake conservative Jew whose intellectual tradition is really rebranded Trotskyite communism.

Such diversity of viewpoints.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 26, 2019 2:37 PM  

Sanders vs Kristol.
Does this count as antisemitism?

I am super proud to sexually identify as a self-hating jew.
You gotta problem with it? That's identityism anti-antisemitism, you stupid hateful bigot!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 26, 2019 2:37 PM  

The thread at zerohedge about the Army's tweet would yield plenty of people who would volunteer to help Kristol down a flight of stairs.

Blogger NO GOOGLES May 26, 2019 3:15 PM  

How many of these Bill Kristol types have kids in the military? The US military, I mean (although I wouldn't be surprised if they even jewed their way out of serving in the IDF too).

I'm betting none. The good 'ol Jewish "let's him and you fight, you don't want to be an anti-semite do you?"

Blogger Terrekain May 26, 2019 3:46 PM  

Vox needs to give Trump a break.

With that said, Trump does have a history of disliking Iran - The Iran hostage crisis was one of Trump's formative experiences, in a way it wasn't for many social elites. I can only suspect why, but he's always had an edge to his voice when talking about matters dealing with Iran, from his indignity with Iran's death chants to America, to Marc Rich the jew who did business with the Iranians.

He doesn't like Iran one bit.

However, I think it's rather obvious that Trump doesn't intend on getting America into the war.

Trump can't just telegraph that he won't go to war. His one "redline" is if American forces are attacked - and this is common sense, because too many Presidents have hamstrung their Men and ceded deterrence (making the Iranians or any other side more belligerent).

Bottom line: if the US military is attacked, they can defend themselves as always, and Trump will need our support, and he probably won't go the full-monty war - he'll use punitive strikes, devastating but no invasion. The Iranians, meanwhile, don't know how far we'll go. Neither will the Saudis.

It's always poker - and Trump will not, and should not, fold like Obama did. Neither should he over-promise.

I think Trump deserves the benefit of the doubt in any eventuality.

The Saudis and Jews would love to get America into a war.

Our saving grace is that Trump knows it too - and a strengthened President Trump with public support is the best way to avoid war. A cornered President with weak domestic support - and overconfident enemies and "allies" - is the best way to have to fight one.

Blogger Robert What? May 26, 2019 4:29 PM  

I'm still mystified as to why Trump hired bloodthirsty NeoCons like Bolton and Pompeo.

Blogger Avalanche May 26, 2019 6:24 PM  

@19 "I'm still mystified as to why Trump hired bloodthirsty NeoCons like Bolton and Pompeo."

Keep your enemies closer?

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 26, 2019 6:31 PM  

Theater. Leftists and neocons are one big operation. The worst thing about this is that boomercons are going to get tricked into defending neocons "because liberals hate them".

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) May 26, 2019 6:49 PM  

Off topic but I have to note that Vox appears to have been right about Roosh. I remember him defending Roosh a year or two ago by saying that he doesn't necessarily support people for where they are but for where he sees them going. I listened to Roosh's recent conversation with E. Michael Jones, and now there's a (mocking) write-up about his recent embrace of Biblical morality at TakiMag. I did not see that coming.

Blogger LP916 May 26, 2019 7:07 PM  

Thank you Vox:

"Neocons like Bill Kristol, Max Boot, and Ben Shapiro are worse - much worse - and more fundamentally radical than even the most left-wing lunatics the Democratic Party has to offer."

Maybe dems to the right can understand that the younger generations are not signing up for selective service or going into the military to be spent like they are nothing.

Even worse are PragerU and Jordie churning out more neocons, those liars.

How can Mark Dice become unfindable at youtube but no problems for the youngburkturks to more PoisonShapiro to Prager acting like they are truthful.

All jokes and farces.

The Left hates Russia for loving Christ and bringing Christ into their country, those are young 16 to 35 year old nationalists that naturally love their language, culture, heritage and Christ, so the American media humiliates local Americans saying how 'we' hate Russia, lies.

Russia is beautiful; their art, their lives, their take on things is lovely and independent and individual. Leave them alone, stop warring, and Bernie would gladly turn the guns on insert here____ when he gets bitten.

Neocons/NATO said nothing when they hurt Serbia to Yugoslavia via the Clintons in the 90's. America said nothing to stop the nationalists being killed in China years further back when they went communist instead they fought Korea, what a generational boomer war - all these health problems, to dyscivic, dysgenic, anti family, pro-abortion, PTSD sufferers weeding it up.

This is all neocon orchestrated, no sane person sanctions being at war and high at the same time over poppy fields.

No sane (person) country welcomes people burning the American flag, no sane person can equate can make it tenable that equality and diversity can co-exist, how?!

Meanwhile, Japan, Laos, Korea, China all fight for their people to stop them getting high all the damn time.

A virtuous population of family, Christ and nationalism isn't sick and will never tolerate getting high, 50+ million abortions, telling the boys they are girls and telling the girls they are boys all this trans horror. Medicating men into soyboyhood and telling their women blue hair is ok along with smoking cigarettes (an act of self hatred).

Take the average American woman back to 1951 and she would be admitted to the nearest loony bin. Fact.

No one knows why America is still in the middle East but mustache Bolton whom will be ousted as the fraud he is by the POTUS soon. Bolton never served a day of his life or even had a job in business.

Big waste of our youth's precious blood, life, their minds (when they can be at home being married and rearing children) oh no kill more Americans is all ok if the neocons sent every single man and woman ages 21 to 45 to a war it wont be enough blood for them.

The neocons all need to go back to their homelands and live there, neocons are fake Americans and fake Christians all this 'Judaeo Christianity' (word wizardy) talk gets old, 15+ years ago old.

OT:

lets all pray the new baby or the new family dog a an injured little one, a vizsla, underweight just needs love hugs and nice food to regain his strength the poor thing was neglected. I am so happy the other pets are loving towards him, he needs acceptance, nice food and love.

I walked over to the DS last night or Friday night, I cant recall but a little tail wagging happy, joyful. Also the mods are wonderful at mod'ing.

Our pets, our families, health is everything. Our ability to grow our food stops all this dependence on the stores that are affordable to absurd.


Blogger Bob Loblaw May 26, 2019 7:14 PM  

At any rate I can respect any man for standing up to the warmongers, even if he is dreadful on other issues.

Sanders has always stood with America's enemies. He's right here, but only in a broken clock sort of way.

Blogger LP916 May 26, 2019 7:14 PM  

I think Vox and around here do love Trump. I do love the POTUS I think he is cleaning out alot and bringing the storm, but its not of me to judge clay feet, he can only do so much everything else is up to Americans on the local level.

We are just or I mean I can only speak for myself are calm observers being honest via history and current events.

I remain unwilling to the nonsense of endurism around Appalachia, if I dont like it or want it or sanction it I will not and I will motion to the better, higher manner.

Blogger LP916 May 26, 2019 7:16 PM  

22 Roosh to Roissy are kind receptive caring souls. So what EMJ got to spout off on a roosh podcast. Roosh is touring American buy a ticket and relax.

Blogger justaguy May 26, 2019 7:31 PM  

Some people will never admit that reality can break in to their self-conceived utopia. They do not realize how little the US can affect things with pour current laws of war and small military (# men on ground with rifles). As for Trump-- he is always counting to 67 votes in the Senate and hence has to keep some factions happy. He doesn't like it, but he has been on a knife edge of impeachment since before inauguration. How many Romney's are in the Senate until the Dems have 67 votes?

Blogger Gettimothy May 26, 2019 8:23 PM  

@22 ditto here. This is the work of the Holy Spirit. I see the same happening to Milo.

Vox's kindness AND intellectual engagement with these men was/is doing the Lord's work.

Oddly enough, the grace is like ESR's Cathedral and the Bazaar. The Churchians inhabit the Cathedral while the Christians work the Bazaar.

Blogger LP916 May 26, 2019 9:39 PM  

28 The Lord has reached Milo and Roosh to Roiossy these are quiet God loving, fearing men whom are different, so what, they are still kind, caring, gracious people, of our generation.

That are doing what they can, you know, the most spiritual thing a person can do is rest, sleep and eat well and return later to all this PR life.

Who the heck can cope with the cruel invective always angry media and a demanding audience of people that do not understand or even listen.

For example, Owen to Cerno are busy and just everyday family folk.

Cut them some slack, all our truck drivers with immense IQs trying their best, doing everything they can.

Bernie can talk all he wants, America fears socialism, I was in Pittsburgh for a awesome event; yoga, climbing (chalky hands) weights outing.

Everyone wants to remain free and free from the horror of what Bernie thinks its just no one wants war and its why POTUS Trump returns here and loves us and is kind to us.


Kindness is a lost art. Kindness is winning, winning is when the boys understand war so they desire and create peace but I'm with Vox on this matter and the authors, war is coming but we want peace, I pray for peace but war is coming whether Bernie wants to buy it or not he has a point and knows his own people want war but Bernie is sensing the war line of boomers will fail in 2020, like Biden will fail Biden wants a 40 story wall (?), yeah good luck, turn off the immigration and leave 2A alone.

Blogger Oswald May 27, 2019 9:26 AM  

I think I can answer why Trump tolerates Bolton and Pompeo, because they may be the only people he can be sure are not going to betray him as long as he continues to rattle his sabre.

Now as to Iran. I don't see how we can ignore there death to America chant. We must keep them at arms length. That doesn't mean I am in favor of a war with them. The time for such a war was when we had troops on their Iraq and Afghanistan borders. Obama made sure that was wasted.

That leaves two options:

1) Sanction them into bankruptcy, civil war, or striking us;or

2) major false flag operation to give justification for a war (I don't condone such things)

I don't think Trump would do a false flag operation, because that is what basically was has been run against him with the Russian collusion claim.

Why are we in the Middle East? I think it has more to do with Saudi Arabia than Israel.

Blogger Up from the pond May 27, 2019 6:30 PM  

> "Neocons like Bill Kristol, Max Boot, and Ben Shapiro are worse - much worse - and more fundamentally radical than even the most left-wing lunatics the Democratic Party has to offer."

They are Trotskyite Jews wearing the skin suits of conservative Americans.

So many of these subversives are Russian Jews. For example, two of the three named by Vox in just this post.

Little but instructive indicators of the subversion of conservatism by this faction:

1. The Reagan Battalion. Read

tinyurl.com/y2wbdyfv

-also interesting
tinyurl.com/y5kdurax

-and check out paragraph 9 of
tinyurl.com/y6akl448

2. The Ayn Rand Institute (this is the sleeper). Read

ariwatch.com

Blogger Up from the pond May 27, 2019 6:47 PM  

Oswald wrote:Why are we in the Middle East? I think it has more to do with Saudi Arabia than Israel.

I see Israel and the House of Saud as cousins tag-teaming the West.

Blogger OneWingedShark May 27, 2019 11:21 PM  

LP916 wrote:Kindness is a lost art. Kindness is winning, winning is when the boys understand war so they desire and create peace but I'm with Vox on this matter and the authors, war is coming but we want peace, I pray for peace but war is coming whether Bernie wants to buy it or not he has a point and knows his own people want war but Bernie is sensing the war line of boomers will fail in 2020, like Biden will fail Biden wants a 40 story wall (?), yeah good luck, turn off the immigration and leave 2A alone.
Kindness IS a lost art, as is graciousness.
But Peace? … Peace is not the absence of War, but the presence of Justice.

Much of the injustices we have suffered, it seems, can only be rectified through bloodshed: from the continual refusal to enforce our border for decades, to the spending of the lives of young men in foreign countries justified by fraud, it looks like the price must be paid in lives… or, as the saying goes, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

But pray, and pray hard: for God listens and has said that the prayers of the righteous "availeth much". (James 5)

Blogger OneWingedShark May 27, 2019 11:28 PM  


Up from the pond wrote:Oswald wrote:Why are we in the Middle East? I think it has more to do with Saudi Arabia than Israel.
I see Israel and the House of Saud as cousins tag-teaming the West.

I was reminded of this:
"…before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel."

Blogger CarpeOro May 28, 2019 7:39 AM  

Trotskeyite (Kristol) or Menshivik (Sanders). Don't need to be a genius to know which is worse for your country. Not to say I like either but when you know one wants to get us into conflicts all over the Middle East, earning us more hatred, versus the other looking to destroy the already crippled economy, I'll take the later.

Blogger Georgiaboy61 May 28, 2019 11:35 PM  

Re: "I see Israel and the House of Saud as cousins tag-teaming the West."

Quietly and without fanfare in the MSM, a few years ago Israel and Saudi Arabia joined forces against their perceived common enemy, Iran. Geopolitics certainly makes for strange bedfellows, doesn't it? Considering that it wasn't all that many years ago that the Arabs wanted Israel destroyed and the Jews eliminated. Now, Prince Mohammed bin-Sultan has gone on record as saying anti-Semitism is "un-Islamic.."

Certain types go on-and-on about how tiny Israel runs the U.S. and thereby the world, but their lobbying power in Washington is dwarfed by that of the Sunni Arabs of the Gulf oil states - Saudis, Qataris, UAE,Kuwait, et al. Since the Israelis also have a powerful lobby, when these two combine forces, a considerable amount of pressure can be brought to bear to influence public opinion, and it is hoped thereby, policy.

If the U.S. government - the President -doesn't comply, all the Saudi King has to do is pick up the phone and remind the "Commander in Chief" that if they - the Arabs - pull support for the petrodollar, it all comes crashing down - our economy, our banking and financial system, and the USG itself. Up to now, U.S. Presidents have replied, "Of course I'll jump... how high would you like me to go?"

If all of this asn't enough, the Arabs have spread their oil wealth around town, buying off members of the judiciary and both Houses of Congress, as well as senior SES government employees and members of the fourth estate (MSM).

To another point, the host's view that the neo-cons are worse than any leftist, it is important to understand that there is nothing whatsoever about "neo-conservatism" which is traditional or conservative. People like Bill Kristol are neo-Wilsonian leftists re-branding themselves as "Republicans" because they have nicer haircuts and fancier business suits than the opposition, and favor lower marginal tax rates.

These war-mongering types are aptly termed neo-Wilsonian, since that President -Woodrow Wilson - campaigned for the presidency just over a century ago based in part on solemn promises not to involve us in Europe's war. A promise he promptly broke when the U.S. joined the war in 1917.

Blogger Unknown June 30, 2019 4:31 AM  

As someone from the left, we have important common ground here.

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