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Wednesday, May 22, 2019

Eurocrats call openly for empire

They always intended the European Union to be the EUSSR:
The leader of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats in Europe (ALDE) told CNN that proposals by European populist-patriots to reform the EU and devolve power from Brussels back to the nation-state would mean that the bloc “will die inside.”

“The world is developing into one not of nation states, but of empires. China is an empire. India is an empire. The US is an empire. We need to create a European Union that is capable of defending our interests,” Mr Verhofstadt stated during the interview, speaking to the leftist American news network in what was described as his “spacious” Brussels office.

Mr Verhofstadt, who is also the European Parliament’s Brexit Coordinator, is an avid supporter of greater federalisation of the European Union.

During a Euronews Raw Politics panel last week, the former prime minister of Belgium compared a proposed United States of Europe to the United States of America, saying: “The United States of Europe is a way to organise a common action on the European level by recognising, by guaranteeing the autonomy of the member states.”

Other Eurocrats have also voiced support for a United States of Europe, including former president of the European Parliament and German socialist politician Martin Schulz who called for its formation by 2025.
Fortunately, nationalism is rising across the continent and the various European peoples have no interest in empires, which throughout European history have always been the primary source of bloodshed.

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41 Comments:

Blogger Silent Draco May 22, 2019 6:16 AM  

There's great humor in a former PM of Belgium, a country which is essentially dissolved into its two component nations, speaking about unions and empire. If the Flemings and Waloons won't, why should anyone?

Blogger ZhukovG May 22, 2019 6:19 AM  

The number of his name isn't 666 is it?

Blogger Lauri Stark May 22, 2019 6:37 AM  

OT: George RR Martin says he MAY have the new book finished next year.

We'll see.

Blogger Lauri Stark May 22, 2019 6:48 AM  

One argument that indeed is put forth is that EU is necessary to combat against other geopolitical giants. Considering that USA is not gonna last and that China probably has no means and interest to dominate Europe, there wouldn't be a point. Russia can be a military threat against the eastern European nations but that doesn't mean they are gonna need EU to defend themselves.

Blogger Mandos May 22, 2019 6:52 AM  

Verhofstadt is a very special kind of crazy, an archetype of European bureaucrat enamoured with delusions of grandeur and totally disconnected from reality. That doesn't make him less dangerous and many in Brussels lend a favorable ear to this kind of ravings.

It is all too tempting: we just need to make an empire out of Europe and we will rule over it! The structure is already there! It would make things easier! Why do we even ask their opinions to these plebians we are bound to rule anyway?

We can't have the EU. Even if it was conceived with the best intentions in mind, which is obviously not the case here, the incentives are just too big for those at the center.

Blogger Randomatos May 22, 2019 7:08 AM  

“The United States of Europe is a way to organise a common action on the European level by recognising, by guaranteeing the autonomy of the member states.”
Slavery is freedom. Ignorance/diversity is (our)strength.
How best to mock the architects of clownworld when they already sound like parodies?

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 22, 2019 7:09 AM  

All the more need for the United States to fall apart and show the world this empire thing is crap.

Blogger Ferdinand May 22, 2019 7:10 AM  

A good rule of thumb in EU politics is to always do the exact opposite Guy Verhofstadt wants. Even the EU empire is not enough for him, he also presented the idea of including the whole of Africa in the EU.

Blogger CM May 22, 2019 7:14 AM  

I thought it was a weakness in VoN that Hazony didn't consider the expansion of and increased federalization of the US as part of the US's age of empire. He seems to mark our flip to empire a good 100 years later, after the cold war resolution.

Blogger McChuck May 22, 2019 7:20 AM  

"by guaranteeing the autonomy of the member states."
'by dissolving the sovereignty of the member states.'
Fixed it for the real meaning.

Blogger Ora Tevzre May 22, 2019 7:27 AM  

PALPATINE: In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.

There is a loud, sustained CHEER from the Senate. BAIL ORGANA and PADME sit, dumbfounded.

PALPATINE: (continuing) An empire that will continue to be ruled by this august body, and a sovereign ruler chosen for life . . .

The Senate CHEERS again. BAIL and PADME are devastated. PADME begins to cry.

PALPATINE: (continuing) An empire ruled by the majority . . . Ruled by a new constitution . . .

The Senate APPLAUDS.

PADME: So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause . . .

Blogger Iron Spartan May 22, 2019 7:27 AM  

This was always the goal, but the piss poor understanding of human nature, corruption and mass incompetence of the EU has made sure that it will not happen

Blogger TheMaleRei May 22, 2019 7:51 AM  

And here is the real reason he wants an EU army, to prevent anyone from leaving...

Blogger Tobias May 22, 2019 7:52 AM  

Off topic, but interesting. this may interest you. Yesterday, I did a screening of the movie Hoaxed at my very left leaning university in Germany with the University cinema club. Here´s what happened:

As soon as the AStA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AStA), who is far left and has connection to Antifa, got wind of it, they contacted us, and tried to get us to cancel the event. We didn´t back down.

Then they took down most of the promotional posters we had put up all over campus.

At the screening, some of their guys showed up and occasionally disrupted the screening, nothing to extreme, just inappropriate laughter, and the occasional comment.

Afterwards, we moderated a discussion with the audience about the film and it was quite negatively received. I can´t say I was too surprised, but I had low key hoped, that it would redpill some. Or I had at least hoped for a passionate but respectful discussion. Silly me. Nothing escalated, but it was mostly bitching about the people involved.

The “criticisms“:


The people involved in the documentary are “highly problematic“
Mike Cernovich is a rape apologist (and wants to legalize rape)
Tim Pool is Alt-Right
several attempts to discredit contributers
they accused us of being “irresponsible“ for even exposing other students to this film
The whole film is alt-right propaganda
These people do themselves what they accuse others of (i.e. spreading fake news)
The film does itself, what it criticizes the MSM for
Mike used/took advantage of a poor black guy to better his image
The actual content is irrelevant because the people making it are all bad
and so on and so forth

Then a turkish guy in the audience started defending the film, and a whole bunch of people started walking out. One of the guys said something like “He´s a turk. Can´t accuse him of racism“ on his way out.

Afterwards we were fewer people, but we actually started to have an interesting discussion about the content of the movie.

Anyway is was a bizarre experience.

Blogger Jeremy Daw May 22, 2019 8:25 AM  

If the anti-Christ turns out to be a bespectacled gap-toothed moron from Belgium, I'll be very disappointed.

Blogger Johnny May 22, 2019 9:05 AM  

What Mr Verhofstadt doesn't get is that he is not thinking of a federation, but of an empire run by people like him.

And this strange talk of wanting Europe to be stronger by forming a federation, when even as he speaks their policy consists of bringing foreigners into Europe that are not getting integrated and are only nominally European, thus more likely to want to take the place down then to defend it. And meanwhile they are not bothering to properly support the defensive federation they have already, NATO.

Blogger Brett baker May 22, 2019 9:07 AM  

Maybe Satan has a sense of humor?

Blogger Brett baker May 22, 2019 9:09 AM  

But the Euros need the American Imperium to protect them!

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 22, 2019 10:22 AM  

No ermines? No diamonds? What a sad, grey little empire these men want to administer.

I don't think he can even hear himself: "is.......is.......is........is....." That much passive voice just begs for a conqueror from the wastelands.

Blogger Harry_the_Horrible May 22, 2019 10:25 AM  

Napoleon and Hitler would be envious.
The bastards of Brussels are achieving through bureaucracy what the Grand Armee and the Wehrmacht could not do.

Blogger MendoScot May 22, 2019 10:26 AM  

'If there are not Europeans who can transcend with a vision of a new EU, then if it is not in 2019 it will be in 2024 that they take over the EU and destroy it.'
Emperor Guy I

The man is a strategic genius. Transcendence trumps the disadvantages of war of four fronts.

At least it does in Alpha Centauri.

Blogger xevious2030 May 22, 2019 10:26 AM  

@14 (T)
97 and 1/2 years ago, and they still start out the same way, the Reds. Same. freakin. playbook. over. and. over.

“Their purpose was to see to it that our movement should not grow but should be immediately hewn down root and branch by the hefty arm of the proletariat. […] On November 4th, 1921, in the evening between six and seven o'clock I received the first precise news that the meeting would positively be broken up and that to carry out this action our adversaries had decided to send to the meeting great masses of workmen employed in certain 'Red' factories. […] When I arrived in the entrance halt of the Hofbräuhaus at 7.45 that evening I realizcd that there could be no doubt as to what the 'Reds' intended. The hall was filled, and for that reason the police had barred the entrances. Our adversaries, who had arrived very early, were in the hall, and our followers were for the most part outside.”

Blogger The Rev May 22, 2019 10:35 AM  

The United States of Europe will protect the autonomy of its States as well as the USA. "Join or Die" becomes "Stay or Else"

Blogger xevious2030 May 22, 2019 11:44 AM  

Here’s another quote, which relates to the mentions Vox has made that no one is fighting, and that 2033 is still a likely point of collapse.

“Consequently the question of regaining […] power is not: How shall we manufacture arms? but: How shall we manufacture the spirit which enables a people to bear arms? If this spirit dominates a people, the will finds a thousand ways, every one of which ends in a weapon! But give a coward ten pistols and if attacked he will not be able to fire a single shot. And so for him they are more worthless than a knotted stick for a courageous man.”

“Like wolves they threw themselves on the enemy again and again in parties of eight or ten and began steadily to thrash them out of the hall. […] Then I realized what kind of men many of them were […] Then two pistol shots rang out from the entrance to the hall in the direction of the platform and now a wild din of shooting broke out from all sides. One's heart almost rejoiced at this spectacle which recalled memories of the War. At that moment it was not possible to identify the person who had fired the shots. But at any rate I could see that my boys renewed the attack with increased fury [rage] until finally the last disturbers were overcome and flung out of the hall.”

Contrast this with:

“Donald Trump’s Rally in Chicago Canceled After Violent Scuffles”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/trump-rally-in-chicago-canceled-after-violent-scuffles.html

The book source may be reprobate, but there are some pearls. You can not play by their rules. Their rules are designed for them to win. You must take the test, and the test opens up and releases what is inside. It is with that release that victory becomes possible. And that release starts with a change in attitude, from placidity, to rippled waters, to a torrent. Maybe by words, maybe by more, but whatever the case, by whatever of them will win in the war that is always now. We are not at peace, the Enemy never rests, and that is the change in attitude.

Blogger binks webelf May 22, 2019 11:50 AM  

Ein volk, ein reich, ein Verhofstadt!

Blogger Yordan Yordanov May 22, 2019 11:56 AM  

France and Germany never got over their inferiority complex. Guys, stop comparing yourself to England - it ain't healthy for ye'.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov May 22, 2019 12:01 PM  

@ I am surprised by the amount of people I though to be good, decent, civilized people endorsing violence against the "Alt-Right". I'm not disappointed in them, but in myself for buying the idea of a Liberal Democracy.

Blogger xevious2030 May 22, 2019 12:29 PM  

@27 Liberal Democracy is just a way at organizing, structure without substance. The three legs of Western Civilization, that's the substance. The world will not stop for disappointment either way, stiff upper lip is the phrase that comes to mind, though I do not know if it is a phrase in common use. Brexit without molestation, that's the start.

Blogger Miguel May 22, 2019 12:41 PM  

When he says "we", he is not talking about the people.

Blogger Up from the pond May 22, 2019 12:42 PM  

Verhofstadt is saying he doesn't like Europe being pushed around by the Big Powers anymore.

The important question: is he saying U.S. military bases ought to be booted from the continent?

If he isn't saying that, then it's BS and its real purpose is only more Globohomo.

It would be interesting to see a real European empire. The last time it was tried, the other empires ganged up and pulverized it because it wasn't large or organized enough.

Blogger Frank Ness May 22, 2019 12:51 PM  

But, but the leftist US media says he has a "spacious" office.

Blogger Lance E May 22, 2019 1:01 PM  

India is an empire? That's a larf. They're clearly not an empire in the classical sense of having an absolute monarch, and if he means it in the modern sense, who exactly are their protectorates?

The only thing worse than a bureaucrat who wants to be Emperor is a stupid bureaucrat who wants to be Emperor.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov May 22, 2019 1:25 PM  

@28

I am utterly disillusioned about Democracy.

1. It has absolutely failed to prevent the formation of an elite ruling class.

2. The elite ruling class it does produce is even worse, than the aristocracies. They have no stake into the longevity of the country, thus they try to loot and pillage as much as they can, before they are removed from power.

3. The "Liberal" part has just been abused to produce a society that is enslaved to its base desires. Before someone starts yapping about how Liberal the US used to be, two of the first movies ever banned (Birth Control, 1917 and Haxan, 1922) were banned for their moral degeneracy.

4. "Protecting the minority from the majority", has resulted in politically hyperactive minorities occupying the places of power at the expense of the native inhabitants.

etc.

Blogger Longtime Lurker May 22, 2019 1:38 PM  

Verhofstadt aims to make Germany's imperial revival easier to complete. (Who needs panzers when such idiots are in abundant supply?)

Blogger Up from the pond May 22, 2019 2:15 PM  

@33

Democracy has succeeded.

It means rule by the Demos. The Demos is the common people, the mob in mob rule.

That's why the trash are in the saddle now. That's the intended purpose of the system.

It's right there in the name. δῆμος or dêmos or demo(s) + cracy.

Here's President John Adams on democracy. "I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either. … Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty. When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice, or ambition, for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist the temptation. Individuals have conquered themselves. Nations and large bodies of men, never.” -- from Letter from John Adams to John Taylor, 17 December 1814

(The whole Letter is worth reading, so here's a link: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-6371 )

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 22, 2019 2:38 PM  

Lance E wrote:India is an empire? That's a larf. They're clearly not an empire in the classical sense of having an absolute monarch, and if he means it in the modern sense, who exactly are their protectorates?


India is damned well an Empire. How many languages are spoken in the Sub-Continent? How many different cultures. How many incompatible religions? There are at least 8 different major nations and literally thousands of ethnicities in India, all kept there by either the promise of looting the others, or by force of arms.
It is only the fatalism of the largest religions (Hundooism, Mohammedanism and Buddhism) and ruthless and relentless suppression of the Mohammedan minority that keep the place from exploding, or have done so since the Pakistani war of independence split the country.

Blogger Bob Loblaw May 22, 2019 3:22 PM  

Brett baker wrote:But the Euros need the American Imperium to protect them!

Well, it's more like protecting them from themselves. A lot of people in the US and Europe think the Germans will invade France again if the US leaves. Personally, I don't care and would pull out all our troops even if I knew that would be the result.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 22, 2019 3:31 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:It is only the fatalism of the largest religions (Hundooism, Mohammedanism and Buddhism) and ruthless and relentless suppression of the Mohammedan minority ...

There is a lot to be disgusted by in Indian culture, but they do get one thing right.

Blogger xevious2030 May 22, 2019 4:34 PM  

@33 (YY)
1. Of course it has. Hierarchy is a natural part of human existence. Corruption is a part of a fallen world. And none of them are the faults of systems. They are considerations in which systems must function. A system is not an answer, it is a method, utilized by people of various quality of character.

Blogger anorganicbear May 22, 2019 5:30 PM  

@36

Not to mention large protectorates in the tech-indentured-servant class within the United States.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) May 22, 2019 9:39 PM  

"an EU capable of defending our interests."

Who's "we" kemosabe? How is importing a billion muslims defending the interests of any EU nation?

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