Thursday, May 23, 2019

Life in prison for Assange

That's what U.S. Federal prosecutors are aiming for with 17 additional charges:
A federal grand jury has announced 17 additional charges under the Espionage Act against WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange, who is currently in a UK jail awaiting an extradition hearing. The new indictment, made public on Thursday, relates to US documents WikiLeaks published in 2010, and alleges Assange revealed the names of individuals who were working with the US government, thus endangering their lives.

The new charges expand the original one-count indictment of conspiracy to hack into US government computers, announced in March, prior to Assange’s arrest in London. He faces up to 10 years in prison on each count, on top of another five from a previous indictment, if convicted.
Imagine the charges that will be faced by people who gave much more critical information to the Chinese and Israelis... oh, wait, that's right. Nothing ever happens to them.



Blogger The Observer May 23, 2019 8:15 PM  

Hey, Mods. Don't approve/post this.

Off-topic, but could you please pass along the message to Vox to reply to my email with regards to the Indiegogo arbitration with regards to questions regarding resubmission? It's been four days since my first email regarding the illegibility issue, and there's been no reply, I'm worried that it might have gotten caught in a spam trap or something, hence I'm also posting this on the blog.

I updated him a couple hours ago with further developments and questions, and would hopefully like to take the chance to resubmit over the weekend pending his instructions.


Blogger Dave Dave May 23, 2019 8:21 PM  

Bradley Manning was pardoned for doing much worse than Assange, but Manning is compromised and Assange is not. Assange will never be free.

Blogger ErotemeObelus May 23, 2019 8:26 PM  

The law is for the little people.

Blogger Timmy3 May 23, 2019 8:27 PM  

He lived in the embassy willingly.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 23, 2019 8:45 PM  

I hope president Kushner reconsiders.
But it's not to Israel's advantage.

Blogger Wolfman May 23, 2019 8:48 PM  

17? Q?

I want off this ride.

Blogger Dave May 23, 2019 8:48 PM  

What would Q tell us? Perhaps The Legend Chuck Dixon knows.

Watch live @9pm est when Chuck Dixon Talks Unauthorized TV, Alt Hero Q, Levon Cade, Batman, and More with The Comic Vigilante (Bounding into Comics)

Blogger JG May 23, 2019 9:13 PM  

Given that the leaked DNC emails were a huge benefit for the GE in the 2016 election, it puzzles me that he lets the DOJ make these absurd indictments.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 23, 2019 9:20 PM

Blogger Damn the torpedos May 23, 2019 9:20 PM  

Am I correct in understanding that he is being charged under the espionage act? That’s rich

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 23, 2019 9:23 PM  

Will there be a comment thread for the 2 endings video? YT comments don't seem as fruitful a place for actual conversation, and I had something I'd like to point out about well-done surprises.

Blogger eharmonica May 23, 2019 9:33 PM  

"Imagine the charges that will be faced by people who gave much more critical information to the Chinese and Israelis... oh, wait, that's right. Nothing ever happens to them."

Jonathan Pollard says hello.,_Jonathan

Vox, surely you saw this one coming.

Blogger OGRE May 23, 2019 9:38 PM  

They'll suicide him in prison before they try to fight for consecutive sentences on that. Default in fed court is concurrent, but also if the crimes charged all 'substantially cause the same harm' they get grouped together as one charge for purposes of calculating a range under the Sentencing Guidelines.

Blogger Bob Loblaw May 23, 2019 9:41 PM  

Jonathan Pollard spent thirty years in jail after being convicted of spying for the Israelis.

Blogger Unknown May 23, 2019 9:56 PM  

@Wolfman - I think you're right, the 17 charges are a clear hat tip to Q. DOJ wanted to bring charges (some are so wide and sweeping as to be ridiculous) in order to initiate a similar wide-sweeping discovery process. It's a trap for the Cabal (RIP Seth Rich). I suspect Assange will get a full pardon from any convictions, if he's convicted at all

Blogger xevious2030 May 23, 2019 10:23 PM  

Suppose the first of 50k sealed indictments unsealed wasn't against the side expected. Bad joke, but hey. Just, really, pissed off. Not like it wasn't expected, but still. Yep, let the people that help you hang.

Blogger Noah B. May 23, 2019 10:30 PM  

@9 Trump taking the gloves off finally. It Has Begun!

Blogger Ska_Boss May 23, 2019 10:33 PM  

If Assange isn't pardoned and the Obama/Hillary DOJ don't see any charges I will officially have lost all faith in humanity.

Blogger Solon May 23, 2019 10:44 PM  

DECLAS is coming, but it is a VERY long process that has to go through a TON of different organizations and agencies.

I hold out hope that the Trump team can cut through the Gordian Knot of red tape (that seemingly is in place for no other reason than to make the illegal crap nearly impossible to uncover).

I don't know if the Swamp is sufficiently drained for Trump to just "do it," that kind of overreach would set impeachment in motion instantly.

So, to anyone here who is excited about the DECLAS coming, don't leap out of your chairs just yet. Team Trump has to do this the right way or it's all for nothing.

That said... *snnniiiffff* anyone else smell a false flag or fifty on the wind? I hope Trump and Barr have dug themselves a DEEP foxhole to take cover in, because they're going to be taking a LOT of artillery where they're headed.

I'm praying for them.

Blogger Wolfman May 23, 2019 10:51 PM  

Trump wants Assange in a US court and ON THE RECORD for some reason.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 23, 2019 11:09 PM  

Solon, that delay and slow roll is probably why Trump crafted the directive the way he did, to expedite the process.

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 23, 2019 11:23 PM  

It's only espionage when it's We the People who get the information.

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 23, 2019 11:25 PM  

Pollard was a generation ago. Anyone notice what has changed?

Blogger Yordan Yordanov May 24, 2019 3:08 AM  

And of course Trump is going to throw the White Wizard under the bus.

Blogger God Emperor Memes May 24, 2019 3:24 AM  

I was waiting for someone to bring up Pollard, and also for someone to make a rebuttal like Arthur Isaac did.

Blogger S. Thermite May 24, 2019 3:28 AM  

Pollard was a US citizen, born in Texas, applied for a CIA job and then later worked for the US military before being was convicted for espionage. Assange is a foreigner who operated outside our borders and made no pretense about protecting secrets. He was also was born about as far away as physically possible from the US.

From where I sit, the US had more of a justification to torture and hang Pollard than it does to charge Assange under our espionage laws...much less attempt to extradite him and to pass down a life sentence.

SMH...even the most evil empires in history didn’t have enough global reach to try and pull this shit...the best they could have hoped for was having their own spies assassinate him without international embarrassment.

Blogger Solon May 24, 2019 5:18 AM  

Yes, from what I understand, there is an option for Barr to "expedite the process" as you put it, using the rules/law already on the books.

I'm hopeful but... Cautious. Hope is both poison and balm, depending on the circumstances.

The Qanons are all celebrating and high-fiving each other already.

As with all things Trump, one needs to wait a few days, maybe even a week, before one should expect to see results.

I'm not so naively optimistic as to expect to see HRC and Obummer doing the mid-air tapdance, but I will grudgingly accept life in a dark hole in Gitmo for them if that's the plan.

Of course, if Trump happens to require an executioner in the near future, sign me up for a black hood.

Blogger dienw May 24, 2019 6:49 AM  


Blogger Doktor Jeep May 24, 2019 7:08 AM  

Still no wall
Abandoned on 2A
No rescue from censorship
Prison for Assange while Hillary and co-conspirators run free

All we need now is thousands of troops in yet another foreign shithole somewhere instead of on our own border, preventing a local shithole.

Does Kushner know that a "replaced" America is not going to be AIPAC-friendly? That may be our only hope.

Blogger McChuck May 24, 2019 7:15 AM  

Let's see...
1) Never been in the US, thus not subject to US laws.
2) Wasn't the one who unlawfully hacked the systems.
3) Published news provided by anonymous sources, just like the New York Times and Washington Post do routinely.

Blogger God Emperor Memes May 24, 2019 7:19 AM  

Yes, if only Assange had been a Saudi sometime journalist...

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 24, 2019 7:57 AM  

We should wait and see before jumping to conclusions, Vox included. I think there is more happening than is readily apparent.

Blogger Lazarus May 24, 2019 8:28 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:We should wait and see before jumping to conclusions, Vox included. I think there is more happening than is readily apparent.

Q sez Assange is under protection to prevent assassination.

Blogger Red Bane May 24, 2019 9:02 AM  

The US is merely an Israeli vassal state. That much is clear.

Blogger Oswald May 24, 2019 10:02 AM  

Assange made a lot of enemies, and he didn't go to a place where he would be safe from his enemies. Snowden learned from this. Russia, not even China, is the only place safe for people that spill the secrets of the United States of America.

I think the next great leak will be completely anonymous and sent to a dozen media sources. Right now, people are either to scared to leak or they are to loyal to leak. Assange is a warning. The government apparatus had to make up for letting Manning have a commuted sentence. I still think Obama commuted Manning's sentence to encourage leaking on Trump's watch.

Blogger DonReynolds May 24, 2019 10:17 AM  

Ever since government contractor, Daniel Ellsberg, leaked a 43 of 47 volumes of a secret study regarding the Vietnam conflict, while the war was being conducted, to the New York Times and the Washington Post, it has been difficult to punish the media for deliberately publishing classified government information, even when it is stolen or illegally obtained, even when it is harmful to the government and cost American military lives. The entirety of the Pentagon Papers was finally declassified during the Obama administration in 2011....all 47 volumes, of which there were only 15 copies at the time of the leak.

Daniel Ellsberg was similar to Bradly Manning and Edward Snowden. They were American citizens under an oath to safeguard classified information working for the Federal government, who leaked damaging information to the news media. Ellsberg was released by a judge during the trial, Manning was convicted but later pardoned, and Snowden is still a fugitive in Russia.

Assange is an Australian journalist, who founded Wikileaks in Iceland, primarily to expose war crimes and atrocities. He was not a leaker but once the stolen documents are provided to the news media, the US Supreme Court decision protects the news publisher from prosecution, even if they pay the leaker for the secret documents.

Assange did not violate any oath or obligation to obtain or safeguard secret information. He is not an American citizen and even if he were the Supreme Court does not find that American citizens have a duty to protect classified information. Clearly, Assange is not a leaker, but if he is considered in violation of the Espionage Act of 1917 as a journalist, then there are a host of other European journalists that should be on the run from prosecution as foreign spies. This would also extend to the New York Times and the Washington Post, with the added charge of Treason, which no foreign journalist could commit against the USA.

My own favorite example is Operation Ivy Bells during the Reagan Administration. Ivy Bells was a top secret US Navy submarine operation, where different submarines would slip into all Soviet harbors and eavesdrop on military and government communications. Fortunately, the US government was able to react to the leak BEFORE it appeared in the morning edition of the Washington Post. It was necessary for President Reagan to do some late night begging of the publisher of the Post to hold off on printing the story for 24 hours, so that US submarines and crews could escape Soviet harbors with their lives. The US government simply does not have a legal way to stop or delay US publishers from going public with stolen documents, even when American military lives are immediately at stake, much less foreign publishers like Wikileaks.

Blogger DeepThought May 24, 2019 10:24 AM  

@Red Bane 100% correct

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 24, 2019 11:07 AM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:Still no wall
It's building, maybe enough and quick enough for our immediate needs.
Doktor Jeep wrote:Abandoned on 2A
Trump has screwed up on that front for sure, but he did pull us out of the UN Arms Treaty, so we're far from abaondoned.
Doktor Jeep wrote:Prison for Assange while Hillary and co-conspirators run free
Assange has been neither convicted nor sentenced nor pardoned yet. Hillary and co-conspirators? Give Trump a couple more years before you despair.
Doktor Jeep wrote:All we need now is thousands of troops in yet another foreign shithole somewhere instead of on our own border, preventing a local shithole.
Still no new wall? Similarly, still no new war.

Trump isn't what we really wanted, but he's still pretty good.

Blogger OneWingedShark May 24, 2019 11:23 AM  

Solon wrote:DECLAS is coming, but it is a VERY long process that has to go through a TON of different organizations and agencies.
No, it really doesn't — Trump could literally issue an Executive Order saying perhaps "everything prior to 11 Sep 2001, excepting information on nuclear devices, stockpiles, and capabilities is hereby declassified" as a nuclear option, and that would be that.

In fact, since the whole classification-system sprang from an EO, he could cancel that EO and all the laws built around it would be without a foundation — this would be beyond nuclear option, an Exterminautus, if you will.

Blogger Greg Hunt May 24, 2019 12:56 PM  

Assange could be sentenced to life in prison, then serve out that sentence in an undisclosed, high security location, with full access to his "freedom" in a manner that was unavailable to him while he was living in the Embassy. Any lockup that's bigger than those former quarters will be an improvement, and there's no saying he won't have a computer to work on.

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