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Wednesday, May 15, 2019

Shutting down the slaughter

Alabama leads the charge against Roe v. Wade:
After several hours of contentious debate, the Alabama Senate on Tuesday night voted 25-6 to pass what many say will be the strictest abortion ban in the nation. The bill makes abortion a felony in Alabama. A similar measure already passed the Republican-controlled House but controversy erupted last week in the Senate after an attempt to add amendments that would allow exceptions for victims of rape or incest. Another attempt to add rape and incest exceptions on Tuesday also failed and led to a filibuster attempt. Proponents of the measure pushed for a “clean bill” without amendments in order to clear the way to a legal fight in the U.S. Supreme Court and a review of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 decision that legalized abortion. The bill now goes to Gov. Kay Ivey, who will decide whether to sign it into law. 
Roll Tide.

UPDATE: It just keeps getting better:
If it's signed off, the new law will make it a felony for a doctor to perform an abortion at any stage of pregnancy - punishable by up to 99 years in jail.
They should probably make it a felony for ANYONE to perform an abortion at any stage, with a similar penalty attached.

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178 Comments:

Blogger JG May 15, 2019 8:25 AM  

Does this mean the Hollywood pervs and pedophiles will boycott Alabama like they did Georgia? Passing an anti-abortion bill seems like a fine way to keep them out.

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 15, 2019 8:44 AM  

Have to credit the South for maintaining that counter-cultural push. Then again, normalcy will always be counter-cultural to the degenerates of the so-called “mainstream”.

Blogger The CronoLink May 15, 2019 8:46 AM  

Sweet Home Alabama!

Blogger Purge187 May 15, 2019 9:06 AM  

Alyssa Milano has called for a sex strike in protest of this. Which means we'll have to abstain from sex with women like her and Rose McGowan.

Let's keep banning abortion.

Blogger Robert Browning May 15, 2019 9:07 AM  

Do you understand why they had to get rid of Roy Moore? Christians are dangerous to the established order.

Blogger Dave Dave May 15, 2019 9:14 AM  

Roe v Wade is one of the most obvious partisan decisions ever made by the supreme court. Activist judges made radical rulings in order to push the narrative. Legally, there is no ground to support a legalisation of abortion when morality and God are such a fundamental part of the legal system. Separation of church and state was a mistake that possibly allowed this to occur.

Blogger Andrew May 15, 2019 9:15 AM  

Wow, this is great. Mark Taylor has said for years that Roe v Wade would be overturned under Trump.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 15, 2019 9:19 AM  

If this is a political reflection of actual, underlying collective belief (boundaries) then more is to the better. Roe may well be in the pantheon of indications of kritarchy, and that entire edifice needs the Carthaginian Treatment.

Abortion-on-demand is a profound restatement of "life has no meaning or value," and "sexual reproduction is unrelated to sex." In the boundary-free world sold to us these past 60 years, abortion was the answer to the inconvenient side-effect of sexual coupling between those who had no intention or desire to create a child together. The boundary-free cult sought abortion-on-demand in large part to remove a barrier to consequence-free sexual hedonism.

How many people embedded soul-crushing actions in their past under the "guidance" of cultists whose "no boundaries" dogma predictably yields misery?

If Roe is falling (in places) then it will be like an addict hitting bottom and, per AA, confronting the past harms done to self and others. What happens when the rationalizations sold to women finally (predictably) evaporate and those who paid to have "inconvenience" ripped out of their bodies reframe the past without the false morality protecting them?

Blogger Monotonous Languor May 15, 2019 9:23 AM  

Finally, some state legislators have the cojones to fight back directly against the murder industry. Next step, they can proclaim Alabama a 'Sanctuary State' for prenatal infants. I hope by the time it gets to the Supremes, that walking dead Jewess will have been replaced by Trump, and Roe v. Wade will get tossed into hell along with all the other abominations leftists have spawned.

Whenever leftists mention that meretricious mealy-mouthed meme “A woman's right to choose”, they always leave off the most important word: “A woman's right to choose murder.”

Hey, you know what, if they can't overturn Roe v. Wade, then we should all be granted that right, except in my case it would be “The right to choose murder of leftists.”

Blogger Ransom Smith May 15, 2019 9:30 AM  

Let's hope they're willing to tell the courts off when this gets challenged.
In the words of Jefferson "Justice Marshall has written a lovely opinion, now let him come enforce it."

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 9:38 AM  

Roll. Damn. Tide.

Blogger Uncle John's Band May 15, 2019 9:39 AM  

"What happens when the rationalizations sold to women finally (predictably) evaporate and those who paid to have "inconvenience" ripped out of their bodies reframe the past without the false morality protecting them?"

Fortunately the West has an ethical system that offers a path to redemption for the sincerely repentant. The others find Hell early.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 15, 2019 9:40 AM  

Excellent. So, assuming this is signed, will the abortionists appeal this or the Ohio law to the SCOTUS and risk having Roe weakened?

Mark Taylor has said for years that Roe v Wade would be overturned under Trump.

The butthurt from scumbags like Douthat who *guaranteed* Trump would be as bad as Hillary or worse on judicial appointments would be glorious.

Blogger The Cooler May 15, 2019 9:41 AM  

We in the South are nothing if not diplomatic.

Compromise: Yankees can go ahead and kill all the in utero babies they want so long as we are left alone to disallow it.

Come quickly, O Lord.

Blogger sammibandit May 15, 2019 9:41 AM  

@Purge187

And take away yachting gigs? Never. Maybe the banshees won't go stateside, but a sex strike is improbable for the pay for play set.

Blogger Beardy Bear May 15, 2019 9:44 AM  

Abortion is a genocide we will end. God Bless Alabama.

Blogger thalios May 15, 2019 9:45 AM  

As the cool kids say...

This.

Blogger Joe Smith May 15, 2019 9:46 AM  

I hope this works, but I don't think Kavanaugh has the balls for this fight. We'll see.

Blogger Ora Tevzre May 15, 2019 9:50 AM  

"What happens when the rationalizations sold to women finally (predictably) evaporate and those who paid to have "inconvenience" ripped out of their bodies reframe the past without the false morality protecting them?"

The Naming of Cats is a difficult matter ...
(http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/t__s__eliot/poems/15121)

Blogger Scott May 15, 2019 9:51 AM  

Good job, Alabama.

Blogger RedJack May 15, 2019 9:52 AM  

Not a fan of Bama. To long a Big XII guy to say "roll tide".

Good job Alabama though for having the stones to start the fire. Upper Midwest tried it (south Dakota) and the "pro life" groups lost their potatoes and convinced the governor not to sign it.

Had a few Facebook "Friends" attack and say "WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN! WE WONT'T HAVE SEX UNLESS WE CAN KILL OUR BABIES!"

I pointed out that in pre Christian times, it was acceptable for a Roman Father to kill his children and any in his household. With citations, and asked if that is the pagan world they wish to return to.

More said they won't have sex with me. My bride kept blasting "Why do you think I am not enough for him? You look like a day old Arby's sandwich down there!"

I love that woman. She is evil in all the right ways.

Truly think we are heading to a hot civil war. Didn't want to say it, but I see no path forward. At best a divorce, but they will not allow bad think. The puritans never could. Just like being in one of the coldest and wettest springs on record means the planet is on fire and we must .. well I forget what we are supposed to do now besides kill our children. Someone find Nye and see what the latest screed is from the devil's throne.

Blogger xevious2030 May 15, 2019 9:56 AM  

Ah, the big litmus test for the Supreme Court appointments. If they’re not real on this, then it says what needs to be known. If these appointments match the track record of other appointments, then there is a solid pattern.

I can understand the sentiment of the rape and incest inclusions (which were not included), but it simply opens the door. Such things are not a federal issue nor a Constitutional provision to be applied across the country, except in the case of an invasion with national security concerns. Certainly not as a matter of individual ignorance or of convenience for irresponsible behavior in an activity with a primary purpose of the result.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 10:01 AM  

"If Roe is falling (in places) then it will be like an addict hitting bottom and, per AA, confronting the past harms done to self and others. What happens when the rationalizations sold to women finally (predictably) evaporate and those who paid to have "inconvenience" ripped out of their bodies reframe the past without the false morality protecting them?"

The media does all it can to silence the negative effects of abortion in terms of emotional and mental damage to the woman. However the effects are still widely known. And the anecdotes that I have support the conclusions as well. I've known two women who had abortions. Both of them were racked with guilt their whole lives. One of them ended up committing suicide. the other was able to maintain a veneer of normalcy most of the time but she would open up about her pain. She suffered from Despair. She could not forgive herself.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2019 10:13 AM  

This didn't happen under a President Clinton, nor under a President Bush. It wouldn't have happened under a President Mittens nor a President McStain.

You may not like how much Trump has done for Israel, but he has done far more for us. We have hope on so many things that were so hopeless so recently.

Blogger Giraffe May 15, 2019 10:14 AM  

There will be a number of states that rapidly follow suit if this is upheld.

I believe the supreme court will return it to the states and the blue states will have abortion mills and the red states will have bans. One more wedge that divides.

Blogger wreckage May 15, 2019 10:18 AM  

@23 They generally never recover. I know of two, and one who refused and had her man attempt to beat the baby out of her. That last one was a drug addict screwing her dealer at the time, but now of the three she is by far the one you would prefer your daughter to turn out like; although you would never wish her journey on anyone you loved.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 15, 2019 10:23 AM  

@23 Nate. Your anecdote makes sense to me. The shrill harpies who publicly celebrate having aborted a child look exactly like people desperate to shore up the rationalizations by which they protect their fragile egos from a reality too painful to confront. I see them as the drunk who, having killed a sibling/passenger while OWI, doubles down on drinking.

Everything we do becomes a part of us. I drilled this Truth into my kids, admonishing them to be thoughtful and cautious about What They Did, for impulses acted on today yield regrets, and some regrets can be so large as to make life itself intolerable (hence your acquaintance's suicide.)

The Modern Cult is all about tearing down boundaries and celebrating those who play in the prior No Man's Land. When the predictable and inevitable consequences arrive(d), the demand was to ameliorate them by any means necessary. But most of the boundaries established by faith and by tradition were produced by trial and error...they were largely codification of Nature's list of cause and effect. There is no legislative means of ameliorating Nature's consequences. Paradoxically, attempts to ameliorate them actually amplify the harm, the pain and the regret.

Faith and tradition were the "owners manual." Some people even today can read it and act accordingly. Others, however, have to learn the hard way, "peeing on the electric fence" (often over-and-over) and suffering for it.

Few things yield worse consequences than impulsive actions that enjoy the "benefit" of fashionable rationalizations.

Blogger Ron May 15, 2019 10:25 AM  

@purge187

Alyssa Milano has called for a sex strike in protest of this. Which means we'll have to abstain from sex with women like her and Rose McGowan.

The funny part of this being that any man who ignores or even better amusedly mocks their wacky nonsense will probably become even more attractive to them.

To the point that I predict Rose McGowan will convince herself that to "strike back" at the patriarchy she has to seduce one of the evil bad no good patriarch maga males. And then she'll just get up and walk on out of his life! Hah, he won't know what hit him! Then he'll think about her for the rest of his life and feel bad he can't have her again! Maybe to reaaaallly punish one of those maga caveMALES, she'll even bring in one or two of her girlfriends, and then drive him wild until he can't take anymore!

Take that patriarchy!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2019 10:27 AM  

Ok Nate, I'm convinced. We need Alabaman crusaders here in Texas. Where do I sign up.

"I can understand the sentiment of the rape and incest inclusions (which were not included),"

I've since retracted any mercy even for those. Sure in the case of rape it sucks for the woman, but you can't punish the man by murdering the child. Same goes for incest. Can't punish the parents by murdering the child.

Blogger David Ray Milton May 15, 2019 10:27 AM  

There is huge momentum in the Bible Belt against abortion. This is great! Next... Roe vs. Wade.

Blogger Daniel May 15, 2019 10:29 AM  

Ironic that it would be Alabama to be the first to halt the crimson tide.

If Colorado can legalize a federal felony, Bama can criminalize a federal right.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 15, 2019 10:31 AM  

Maybe I should move there. Better weather, coastal beaches, and a culture that treats human life with respect.

Blogger Baseball Savant May 15, 2019 10:32 AM  

Roll. Damn. Tide.

Go Bama!

Blogger Warunicorn May 15, 2019 10:37 AM  

Man, I can hear the harpies screeching from here.

/cue Emperor Palpatine voice

Good...goooooood....

Blogger wreckage May 15, 2019 10:38 AM  

@28 How could her revenge be complete if she didn't walk out of his life with at least one of his kids? Or better yet, four? And by keeping house she will render him helpless to live on once she finally leaves.
A diabolical plan, and the fact that she's enjoyed it too much to end the charade 30 years on is just because she's relishing her power and waiting for the perfect moment to serve the ice-cold dish of revenge!

Blogger KG May 15, 2019 10:39 AM  

Always wanted to live in Birmingham. Awesome city, and Alabama is a surprisingly clean and friendly state as a whole.

Blogger Scott May 15, 2019 10:40 AM  

"Republican Senator Clyde Chambliss argued that the ban was still fair to victims of rape and incest because those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant," "

For the benefit of midwits: Senator Chambliss is not too stupid to understand what he said, this is what's known as twisting the knife.

Blogger Argus Bacchus May 15, 2019 10:45 AM  

Nick Saban is grateful that many of his or his successors' future defensive lineman recruits are now far less likely to be murdered in the womb. As well they should be.

@23 Nate

"I've known two women who had abortions. Both of them were racked with guilt their whole lives. One of them ended up committing suicide."

My sister-in-law's cousin has had seven abortions.

And only six of them were for birth control purposes.





Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 11:04 AM  

It should be noted that only 6 Alabama senators voted against the bill.

In the Alabama senate... there are 8 democrats.

As I have said... even our democrats are more right wing than most of the country's republicans.

Blogger Cinco May 15, 2019 11:06 AM  

The best part about Alabama is this, the second best part of Alabama is that they still sell single 12oz beers on ice in local gas stations.

Blogger dh May 15, 2019 11:18 AM  

I think Alabama is very brave for doing this, and I support it, even though I'm an irreligious leftist who doesn't believe in the value of human life before viable birth.

It's the ultimate states right issue. If people in Alabama want to protect pre-born or unborn lives over the lives or happiness of adult women, that's their democratic right. Living outside of AL is literally none of my business, at all.

Blogger ace May 15, 2019 11:27 AM  

Then after he passes away she'll have to wait and meet him in heaven to inform him of how completely she had him fooled.

Blogger SidVic May 15, 2019 11:27 AM  

Feathers will be ruffled. This should be interesting.

Blogger Gettimothy May 15, 2019 11:30 AM  

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/supreme-court-overturns-precedent-in-two-state-dispute-4

That's a forty year precedent they overturned, the sort of the Scalia would have deferred to.
The left is "concerned" that it could start a trend of overturning other precedents.

The conservatives argue that since it was a bad precedent, devoid of constitutional reasoning, it should be discarded.


Blogger pyrrhus May 15, 2019 11:42 AM  

I went to law school a few years after Roe...The "reasoning" in Roe is so non-existent that even my professors who supported it admitted that the rationale could not be defended....but women's "freedom" made it ok..

Blogger Matamoros May 15, 2019 11:59 AM  

"I can understand the sentiment of the rape and incest inclusions (which were not included),"

Adoption is the option.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 15, 2019 12:02 PM  

@45 The question always was one of top-down or bottom-up.

Were the (ahem) changes to the US Constitution during the era of judicial activism (dating to what? 1803 with Marbury?) discovery of the law as desired by the People of the United States or acts of kritarchs on a Gnostic Crusade?

Black-robed autocrats or descendants of Blackstone? Rubber-stampers of the wet dreams of Progressivist Cult Priests or selfless searchers for timeless truths?

I wonder how many changes to the rules promulgated by courts would have been repealed in a New York Minute if such a popular-vote mechanism existed?

It's been a long, long time since men of actual principle ran much of anything in the USA.

Blogger Matamoros May 15, 2019 12:04 PM  

@36. KG May 15, 2019 10:39 AM

Always wanted to live in Birmingham. Awesome city, and Alabama is a surprisingly clean and friendly state as a whole.

Birmingham is a Black city.
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In 2018 Birmingham, Alabama (a 75% Black City), Not One of the 99 Criminal Homicides Involved a White Male Suspect

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/in-2018-birmingham-alabama-a-75-black-city-not-one-of-the-99-criminal-homicides-involved-a-white-male-suspect/

Blogger The Observer May 15, 2019 12:11 PM  

"I can understand the sentiment of the rape and incest inclusions (which were not included),"

These are simply pushed as potential loopholes through which lawfare and clever reinterpretation can be conducted, much like "maternal health" leading to allowing perfectly healthy women to kill their children because they claimed to be depressed or threatened suicide.

If the exceptions were passed, simply watch accusations of rape and incest skyrocket.

Blogger peacefulposter May 15, 2019 12:12 PM  

Rollo Tomassi has a good take on abortion. He says it is not as much about birth control as it is about hypergamy. Abortion gives women 6 months (if not 9 now!) to determine if they can find better father material.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 12:15 PM  

"My sister-in-law's cousin has had seven abortions.

And only six of them were for birth control purposes. "

your family should marry white people.

Blogger Slagenthor May 15, 2019 12:15 PM  

There's a reason why rape used to be punishable by Death.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 12:16 PM  

"In 2018 Birmingham, Alabama (a 75% Black City), Not One of the 99 Criminal Homicides Involved a White Male Suspect"

true if you're looking only at the literal city limits. that's true of many cities in the US though. white folks live around it... and in those parts... it is in fact nice. Downtown? no. you couldn't pay me enough to live there. 30 minutes outside downtown? sure.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 15, 2019 12:36 PM  

@48 Matamoros

Alabama is now significantly whiter than the U.S. average because it's not an immigration gateway. The black proportion is stable, and birth rates among blacks aren't any different than for whites. Outside of black areas, it's a whitopia.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 15, 2019 12:38 PM  

Ironic that it would be Alabama to be the first to halt the crimson tide.

If Colorado can legalize a federal felony, Bama can criminalize a federal right.


@31 Daniel
Alabama isn't just the heart of Dixie, but the heart of America.

Blogger Silent Draco May 15, 2019 12:58 PM  

Roll Tide.

Fast tracking to the SC just might trigger a couple open seats, death by apoplexy. The departed will then get drop-kicked to their proper punishment, one hopes.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 1:09 PM  

"Alabama is now significantly whiter than the U.S. average because it's not an immigration gateway. The black proportion is stable, and birth rates among blacks aren't any different than for whites. Outside of black areas, it's a whitopia."

imagine going weeks and weeks without ever seeing a Mexican.

That's life in southern alabama.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2019 1:23 PM  

ace wrote:Then after he passes away she'll have to wait and meet him in heaven to inform him of how completely she had him fooled.

A feminist in heaven?

Blogger OGRE May 15, 2019 1:23 PM  

The Observer wrote:"I can understand the sentiment of the rape and incest inclusions (which were not included),"

These are simply pushed as potential loopholes through which lawfare and clever reinterpretation can be conducted, much like "maternal health" leading to allowing perfectly healthy women to kill their children because they claimed to be depressed or threatened suicide.

If the exceptions were passed, simply watch accusations of rape and incest skyrocket.


Exactly. These instances are so rare to begin with that they hardly even need mentioned. But they are the foundation for the (false) proposition that there are SOME valid reasons for having abortions. And once that proposition is established it becomes a question of line drawing; hence, If this is a legitimate reason to have an abortion, then what about this too?

The foundation is false to begin with. Yes its tragic for a woman to have to bear the child of her relative or rapist. We can sympathize, we can punish the wrongdoer, we can force restitution, we can give substantial aid to the victim. But its still not a valid reason to terminate the child's life. And the woman is not required to raise the child once its born unless she so chooses. Even under some bullshit utilitarian analysis 9 months of unwanted pregnancy + childbirth does not outweigh the life of an innocent. And this doesn't even touch on the societal and cultural harms resulting from legalized callousness for life.

Blogger Requited Hate May 15, 2019 1:33 PM  

Roberts is the more likely to cuck on this.

Blogger sammibandit May 15, 2019 1:33 PM  

@OGRE

Nice handle. The rape argument rests on the false premise that victims of rape who fall pregnant want abortion. It rests on the false premise that a woman who has a baby of that will not find a good husband. This is extremely insulting to all involved. I'll put it this way: sometimes those kids were called the Milkman's.

Blogger justaguy May 15, 2019 1:37 PM  

what makes them think that it will get to the SCOTUS? SCOTUS has to agree to take it. It will be a good tool in taking count of where the court stands now. If those on the Court who want to overturn Roe do not think that they have 5 votes, then they will not take it. If those on the Court who want to keep Roe think that they have 5, they might take it to cement Roe for another few years.

Does anyone really know where Roberts is on this? He is awful squishy about the Court doing anything significant.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 1:38 PM  

"Roberts is the more likely to cuck on this."

Roberts views himself as Chief as having a responsibility to be in the middle of the court... wherever the middle is... he will move to stay there.

First year justices often stay close to the middle then move out in the following years. Alito did... even Clarence Thomas did. Gorsuch did as well. All of them moved right. You will see Kav move right in the next term.. and in doing so he will drag Roberts right with him.

Blogger 🐻Drew🐻 May 15, 2019 1:51 PM  

I do not understand why many "conservatives" are afraid to attach penalties to the woman having the abortion as well. If it is illegal to hire someone to murder a person for you, isn't the logic the same to hire a doctor to murder a child in the womb for you? Am I missing something?

Blogger HouellebecqGurl May 15, 2019 1:58 PM  

Judge Moore, (whose kids I babysat when they were babies), is also leading the pack to replace the Dem/Neocon puppet, Doug Jones. If Alabamians are allowed to have an untainted Senate election next go around, either he or Mo Brooks will get the seat.
I grew up knowing the Moore family, as well as their extended families, & they all are good people, but I do prefer Mo Brooks, politically.

Blogger Argus Bacchus May 15, 2019 2:03 PM  

@51 Nate

Most of us got that memo.

A few did not.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl May 15, 2019 2:03 PM  

I would expect an appellate court to strike these rullings down long before the matter reaches the Supremes. Even if the matter is taken up by the SC, I have little confidence of Roberts, Gorsuch, or Kavanaugh supporting it.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 2:05 PM  

"Judge Moore, (whose kids I babysat when they were babies), is also leading the pack to replace the Dem/Neocon puppet, Doug Jones."

No. Roy Moore already had his chance and ran the most incompetent lazy and stupid campaign in the history of politics. He's done. Good riddance.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2019 2:07 PM  

"A feminist in heaven?"

An actually funny feminist in heaven.

Blogger Elijah May 15, 2019 2:08 PM  

sadly, Judge Moore had his day. he is toxic to a slight majority of voters. Alabama needs to put up a conservative ( don't laugh) that can win and be effective within the swamp until the swamp is drained.

Blogger The Observer May 15, 2019 2:09 PM  

I do not understand why many "conservatives" are afraid to attach penalties to the woman having the abortion as well. If it is illegal to hire someone to murder a person for you, isn't the logic the same to hire a doctor to murder a child in the womb for you? Am I missing something?

People in general will not hold women to account to the same degree for anything they do as they would a man. There're a bunch of reasons for this, but essentially they're not treated as if they have the same level of agency.

Of course, that plus having to believe that everyone is equal now...

Blogger Peter May 15, 2019 2:09 PM  

You guys are probably right in that the rape exception is like a foot in the door.

However, I couldn't imagine giving birth to a child that looks like my rapist. No way.

Blogger xevious2030 May 15, 2019 2:12 PM  

#29 (AA) #46 (M) #49 (TO) #50
“but it simply opens the door.”
Yep, that’s the problem, at the very least. And adoption is the obvious option, very true.

Blogger xevious2030 May 15, 2019 2:14 PM  

Sorry, meant #59 (O), not #50 (PP), for that line.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 2:14 PM  

"However, I couldn't imagine giving birth to a child that looks like my rapist. No way."

women have been doing it for all of human history. I have a friend that did it. to this day she says its the greatest thing she has ever done.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl May 15, 2019 2:15 PM  

The Orange Beach/Foley area is good. Fabulous Beach, much, much less touristy & ethnic during the Summer tourist season & decidedly huwite during the off season as well as calm & quiet. The immediate beachb areas are filled w/old white snowbirds who mind their own business & the rest is just Deep South yokels.
My elderly parents have spent half the year there for the last 20 yrs.
It's a nice change from their Northern Bama home place & they have lots of friends there.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 15, 2019 2:16 PM  

If it becomes a state by state issue, which it pretty much already is, we'll have our "Going to Sochi" euphemism in place: going to Atlanta/ Houston/ Los Angeles... major city.

Blogger nidus of inflection May 15, 2019 2:17 PM  

"You want Bama? You got Bama!"
--Rebel

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2019 2:18 PM  

"People in general will not hold women to account to the same degree for anything they do as they would a man. There're a bunch of reasons for this, but essentially they're not treated as if they have the same level of agency."

Thus if you go to get married, get her father's written permission as well, that way if she takes a bad path and later tries to opt out of her responsibilities in court, you can just ask whether she's an adult or not... If yes she's contractually obliged herself, if no she's still been obliged by her legal guardian....

Blogger 🐻Drew🐻 May 15, 2019 2:21 PM  

I agree they are not treated with the same level of agency, I read an article somewhere comparing crimes and sentencing of men vs women that illustrated your point.

However, no agency what so ever seems illogical to me. Sure maybe punish the person preforming it more severely (even if it’s a woman doctor), but I would argue to be consistent there must be some penalty to the woman for orchestrating the murder of her unborn child.

Blogger Cinco May 15, 2019 2:28 PM  

“However, I couldn't imagine giving birth to a child that looks like my rapist. No way.”

Can you imagine ripping a little child apart limb by limb and then using an industrial vacuum cleaner to take care of the mess?

Blogger sammibandit May 15, 2019 2:31 PM  

My fave uncle is one such baby. He looks super Russian and is very German in behavior.

Blogger Gianna May 15, 2019 2:34 PM  

I am waiting for Alyssa Milano to offer her services as a chauffeur to out of state abortion clinics, something along the lines of an abortion underground railroad.

Blogger Gianna May 15, 2019 2:47 PM  

@80. "However, no agency what so ever seems illogical to me. Sure maybe punish the person preforming it more severely (even if it’s a woman doctor), but I would argue to be consistent there must be some penalty to the woman for orchestrating the murder of her unborn child."

From what I have seen (not that many) but every woman who has an abortion does suffer a penalty and really everyone knows they do. In fact, in one particular case I believe the penalty has lasted for 3 generations with one white affluent very liberal family I know. The grandmother supposedly performed one on herself with a knitting needle, the daughter was unable to have any children and out of the 3 female grandchildren, 2 had to have IVF to concieve and the 3rd had 5 abortions. I cannot help but think all this has demonic roots. It has made me think abortion is pretty much the worst thing you can be involved in.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2019 2:48 PM  

Argus Bacchus wrote:My sister-in-law's cousin has had seven abortions.

And only six of them were for birth control purposes.


What was the purpose of the seventh? To sell the parts? Nostalgia for the previous six murders? Just to be killing something, because the animal shelter wouldn't give her kittens to kill anymore?

Slagenthor wrote:There's a reason why rape used to be punishable by Death.

It still is, but now the death penalty is for the rapist's child and not for the rapist.

Blogger Curlytop May 15, 2019 2:53 PM  

I saw a news story except interviewing people in the Atlanta area about Ga's heartbeat law. One commenter stood out. They asked if he was concerned about the Hollywood boycott threats and he just laughed and answered, " Nah, they've been given a great tax incentive and have already invested heavily into this state. They may fuss but they won't give that up."

Blogger Cinco May 15, 2019 2:56 PM  

“It still is, but now the death penalty is for the rapist's child and not for the rapist.”

I’ll be using this.

Blogger Cloudswrest May 15, 2019 2:58 PM  

If it's signed off, the new law will make it a felony for a doctor to perform an abortion at any stage of pregnancy - punishable by up to 99 years in jail.

This quote brings up a burr in my butt, not specifically related to abortion, but related to *extreme* disparity in laws across the country. For example it's perfectly legal to own a machine gun in Montana, but a felony with up to life imprisonment in Massachusetts. If I had my way there would be a constitutional amendment to the effect, "No state shall make any criminal act or behavior a felony if said act or behavior is legal and regularly practiced in some other state." In other words, it must be at least a misdemeanor everywhere before it can be a felony anywhere.

Blogger Up from the pond May 15, 2019 3:02 PM  

Prison reform and anti-abortion laws aren't a good combination if you care about the crime rate.

Reverse Jared's prison reform bill and go to "two strikes and you're out," plus a wave of additional minimum sentencing guidelines. That's my recommendation.

Otherwise the USA will be a bad place to be if you're a bike.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 3:09 PM  

" "No state shall make any criminal act or behavior a felony if said act or behavior is legal and regularly practiced in some other state." "

Or... maybe you should try not living in a shithole?

Some people want to live in shit holes. It is their God given right to live in a shit hole. You have no authority to force them to be free.

Blogger CM May 15, 2019 3:13 PM  

“However, I couldn't imagine giving birth to a child that looks like my rapist. No way.”

Can you imagine ripping a little child apart limb by limb and then using an industrial vacuum cleaner to take care of the mess?


I don't usually judge a woman for wanting an abortion after rape, especially with the invasion talk that goes on here (usurping your women's resources to reproduce for the enemy).

However, here's a question I have for anyone who advocates a raped woman kill her baby - what kind of healing is supposed to come out of compounding a trauma with death?

How is that merciful? How does a woman come back from that? Far better she see the beautiful innocence that her pain was turned into and feel the healing of doing something better than her rapist.

I have similar ideas about PTSD (beating swords into plows) for healing, but I'll stick in the lane I know.

Blogger Allan May 15, 2019 3:19 PM  

I don't agree with abortion , but I don't think it should be illegal. Parents have the biblical right to make that decision

Blogger Up from the pond May 15, 2019 3:19 PM  

Anti-abortion got traction only after whites fell safely below replacement level. Now it will be a prison sentence for anyone who interferes with the breeding of our replacements.

Puppets dance on strings they dare not see....

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2019 3:24 PM  

Nate wrote:Some people want to live in shit holes. It is their God given right to live in a shit hole. You have no authority to force them to be free.

That's reasonable, and Cloudswrest's proposal needn't force freedom on anyone.

Until we have restored our nation, that proposal would make outlawing perversion and murder a lot harder. Once we have restored our nation, that proposal would force those shitholers to either clean up their shitholes, or leave our union. All would be better off, either way.

For a homogeneous nation which wants to maintain that homogeneity, Cloudswrest's proposal makes sense. It's for later, not for now.

Blogger SirHamster May 15, 2019 3:30 PM  

Peter wrote:However, I couldn't imagine giving birth to a child that looks like my rapist. No way.

Peter, your imagination is irrelevant.

Do what's right like a man.

Blogger 🐻Drew🐻 May 15, 2019 3:31 PM  

@85 "From what I have seen (not that many) but every woman who has an abortion does suffer a penalty and really everyone knows they do. In fact, in one particular case I believe the penalty has lasted for 3 generations with one white affluent very liberal family I know. The grandmother supposedly performed one on herself with a knitting needle, the daughter was unable to have any children and out of the 3 female grandchildren, 2 had to have IVF to concieve and the 3rd had 5 abortions. I cannot help but think all this has demonic roots. It has made me think abortion is pretty much the worst thing you can be involved in."

I 100% agree that its demonic, a sacrifice to moloch or satan; and with that carries grave consequences morally, spiritually, and obviously in some cases physically. Yet I still cant move pass holding legal consequences over the mother's role in orchestrating the murder of her child. Again if the child was outside the womb and the mother hired someone to commit the murder she would be held accountable. An arsonist who burns himself starting a fire is still legally culpable, I don't see this as being different.

Blogger MrNiceguy May 15, 2019 3:34 PM  

I prefer to think of it as, "the lamentation of their women."

Blogger Mr Darcy May 15, 2019 3:41 PM  

SCOTUS will uphold Roe. Kavanaugh will vote to uphold Roe.

Blogger Allan May 15, 2019 3:51 PM  

The question is not whether it's right or wrong , it's whether it should be illegal. According to scripture do parents have right of life or death over thier child

Blogger Up from the pond May 15, 2019 3:52 PM  

CM wrote:I don't usually judge a woman for wanting an abortion after rape, especially with the invasion talk that goes on here (usurping your women's resources to reproduce for the enemy).

However, here's a question I have for anyone who advocates a raped woman kill her baby - what kind of healing is supposed to come out of compounding a trauma with death?


Tell her she miscarried. Meanwhile, be kicking the orcs out.

Blogger Mr Darcy May 15, 2019 3:52 PM  

@KG 36:

Don't. Okay? Just don't. Don't even *think* about moving to Alabama or indeed to any Southern state. You would *never* fit in, and you are not wanted. Your comment (#36) is grotesque. Stay away from us.

Blogger mgh May 15, 2019 4:03 PM  

There are Mexicans in Alabama, but they are mostly in the larger cities running Mexican restaurants and doing construction work. We are well behind other States in the number of far left wackos, which I attribute to the legacy of George Wallace. We had to listen to the anti-Wallace anti-Alabama bull from about 1975 to 2000, but it had the effect that few far left wackos moved in or stayed here.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 4:07 PM  

"For a homogeneous nation which wants to maintain that homogeneity, Cloudswrest's proposal makes sense. It's for later, not for now."

this has never been a homogenous nation that values its homogeneity.

That hurts feelings around here... it is never the less true. The north and the south were populated by different people from different places with different values.

Blogger LZ May 15, 2019 4:09 PM  

"No state shall make any criminal act or behavior a felony if said act or behavior is legal and regularly practiced in some other state.”

As designed, states are supposed to butt out of other states' business and not use the federal government, in particular the unelected SCOTUS, to impose their way of life on others.

Blogger Mr Darcy May 15, 2019 4:09 PM  

@100 Nate:

True.

Blogger Dos Voltz May 15, 2019 4:15 PM  

Thank you, St Alyssa Milano, for showing us the way; that women had control of their bodies the whole damn time.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2019 4:18 PM  

this has never been a homogenous nation that values its homogeneity.

Yes, Nate. That's why I said it's for later. Not for long ago, not for now, but for the distant future when our great grandchildren have homogeneous nations.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 15, 2019 4:19 PM  

In other words, it must be at least a misdemeanor everywhere before it can be a felony anywhere.

Or we could remember that the USA was supposed to be a union of sovereign states, and let them have their own laws to the greatest extent possible to suit their populations. Why would you expect a country the size of the USA, containing many different nationalities in different regions, to agree on one set of laws? Why would you want to force them to?

Blogger OGRE May 15, 2019 4:23 PM  

A nation is to support the local communities. The communities are to support the local families. The family comes first; not the nation. Going the other direction is unnatural and perverse, and leads to all forms of corruption. As such, a nation is a naturally occurring entity with a foundation of families that build homogeneous communities around themselves, and not a political entity that creates itself ex nihilo and populates the countryside as its leaders see fit.

Laws that prohibit local communities and families from governing themselves should only be implemented with great need, when no other options are available. Handcuffing our communities in the types of laws by which they can govern themselves is a recipe for disaster, as modern history readily shows.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 4:33 PM  

"SCOTUS will uphold Roe. Kavanaugh will vote to uphold Roe."

shhhh… put your helmet on... the short bus is here to pick you up.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 4:34 PM  

"Yes, Nate. That's why I said it's for later. Not for long ago, not for now, but for the distant future when our great grandchildren have homogeneous nations."

we will not have homogeneous nations. we don't even want homogeneous nations. You think I want to live with yankees or Californians? No. I don't. I don't want to live with even right wing yankees.

I want sovereign states. I want state law to trump federal law in all cases.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 4:36 PM  

"There are Mexicans in Alabama, but they are mostly in the larger cities running Mexican restaurants and doing construction work. "

my friends up in north alabama say they see Mexicans fairly regularly. I can only speak for down here near the coast. where again... even the Mexican resturaunts have white waitresses.

Blogger JRR May 15, 2019 4:42 PM  

"Alabama is now significantly whiter than the U.S. average because it's not an immigration gateway."

Alabama's hispanic population growth is the 7th highest in the nation.

https://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/09/08/latino-population-growth-and-dispersion-has-slowed-since-the-onset-of-the-great-recession/ph_2016-09-08_geography-25/

And that's 5 year old data. It's probably even higher now.

Blogger God Emperor Memes May 15, 2019 4:53 PM  

Thank Christ. Literally.

Blogger FP May 15, 2019 5:10 PM  

@89

Your idea won't work. It would divide people more than unite and likely work against you in the short term and likely cost you in a civil war the moral highground. See the anti-gunners pushing gun laws in states and not at fed level. Values are too different anymore.

As to your example re state gun laws, the reason you have so much difference in state gun laws is because the states and fed governments want it that way and thus the courts rule in favor of double standards. The governments want a monopoly on force and they'll get it where they can, pushing eternally to ban them completely.

If you can rule that gay marriage falls under equal treatment under the law via the 14th, you most certainly have to do that for guns and self-defense. Yet the courts have been hypocritical on this for decades. The 2nd comes before the 10th and the 14th. Marriage let alone gay marriage is not covered in the federal Constitution, thus it falls under the 10th. But not for guns. Damn near every other civil right yes but not the one that allows direct violent challenge or rebuke to the government.

We've had this argument before on this blog. Getting control of the courts is what is required because people have been taught to hold the supremes as the final arbiter. Expecting that the courts will not rule politically is the folly many on the right have. The anti-gunners have been trying to stack the deck for a long time and lately are pushing states to make new gun laws where they can to win a moral majority and thus say to any hold outs on guns, abortion, religion etc. that they are overruled by the 26+ states that are against those things.

Anyway, Roe v Wade was destroyed by both pro Obamacare rulings. If the government can force you to buy a gov created and regulated health insurance plan that same government can force a woman to abort or not abort.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2019 5:13 PM  

"Alabama's hispanic population growth is the 7th highest in the nation."

Look what a smart boy he is. Everyone see the smart boy?

Smart boy is so smart he knows better than people who actually live in Alabama.

Listen you blithering idiot of mongoloid... in 2011 Alabama passed the most badass immigration bill ever... and in 2011 Alabama saw its Hispanic population utterly disappear.

But hey... google showed you something you wanted to see so you believe it.

Piss off.

Blogger Latigo3 May 15, 2019 5:13 PM  

Finally. Glad to hear that this has happened.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume May 15, 2019 5:32 PM  

Praise God. I hope and pray the tide is actually turning. Roll tide indeed.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 15, 2019 5:34 PM  

@113 JRR @115 Nate

Actual hard data from the CDC/NCHS shows 4,580 Hispanic births in Alabama in 2016, 4,546 in 2017, and 4,404 in 2018. I fail to see how that's consistent with rapid population growth.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell May 15, 2019 5:38 PM  

Strange would have won in the first place.

Blogger wahr01 May 15, 2019 5:39 PM  

I'm going to bring out some perspective for you:

Think of Kamala Harris as president dictating the nation's gun policy after what she did to gun owners in California, which is still sitting before the supreme court, which has not accepted a significant 2nd amendment case in a decade despite open rebellion against Heller in all circuits.

I can hear the primal voices in your head screaming "Hell No, I'll Fight This To My Dying Breath" through my computer screen.

Now: Over the years I've tracked this, the percent of women who identify as pro-life have always been short of 50.

To the slim majority that are "pro-choice", it is a burning, existential threat of the exact same nature that will become a single-issue vote in any election.

Want to turn red areas blue? Because this is how you turn red areas blue.


Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 15, 2019 5:43 PM  

"Alabama's hispanic population growth is the 7th highest in the nation."

That's a very AGW approach to stating things to make it sound like you're right, but just looking at the raw numbers, AL's total Hispanic population is smaller than my old home county in CA. Math, how do it work?

Blogger Dirk Manly May 15, 2019 5:44 PM  

Dude, if the original number of Mexillegals was 1, and then the next year, it's 2, that's a DOUBLING of the traffic, and a 100% increase... higher than any state in the nation... but it would, at the same time, be trivial.

Larn to math, idiot.

Blogger Unknown May 15, 2019 5:45 PM  

this is good.

Blogger xevious2030 May 15, 2019 5:55 PM  

@111 (N) Hopefully the Alabama government is not as apathetic to the situation as Texas, in terms of being ready to tell DC and the courts to stick it, recognize a state of emergency and start doing what it is supposed to.

Blogger Starboard May 15, 2019 6:01 PM  

1. God bless Alabama.

2. The rest of the states need to use Alabama as a role model, not try to move there.

3. Northerners don't especially want to live with Southerners either. The Civil War was a mistake.

4. Several years ago out of the blue, a grocery checkout girl spilled her entire story of rape, pregnancy, decesion not to abort, and decision to give the baby up for adoption. She said she just couldn't keep the baby. Like she was a failure. A nobody young woman in a small town in a rural state showed stronger fortitude than Planned Parenthood wants us to think possible.

Blogger Argus Bacchus May 15, 2019 6:01 PM  

@85 Ominous Cowherd

"What was the purpose of the seventh? To sell the parts? Nostalgia for the previous six murders? Just to be killing something, because the animal shelter wouldn't give her kittens to kill anymore?"

I have no idea. I've never met her. She's just some crazy woman my brother's wife is related to. My interest in her is less than zero. My bro's wife mentioned her once when we were on the subject of abortion.

But given her cavalier attitude about her pregnancies, I would put nothing past her.

Blogger xevious2030 May 15, 2019 6:12 PM  

This is ugly, but here it is. If an invasion of flowers is not treated with the same resolve and surety as an invasion of tanks, then an enemy has found a vulnerability and will exploit it to your demise. That is a change in attitude that is needed, whether now, or 2033. You stand, or you lose.

Blogger RobertDWood May 15, 2019 6:16 PM  

After watching Jeff Leach and the Texas house Republicans turn craven this session, it is good to see the abolitionist victory.

God bless the brave in Alabama.

Blogger CM May 15, 2019 6:27 PM  

"Alabama is now significantly whiter than the U.S. average because it's not an immigration gateway."

Alabama's hispanic population growth is the 7th highest in the nation.

https://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/09/08/latino-population-growth-and-dispersion-has-slowed-since-the-onset-of-the-great-recession/ph_2016-09-08_geography-25/

And that's 5 year old data. It's probably even higher now.


State A has 90 Hispanics and 20 move in.
State B has 1 hispanic and 10 move in.

Which one has a higher growth rate?

Blogger Cloudswrest May 15, 2019 6:45 PM  

HouellebecqGurl wrote:I would expect an appellate court to strike these rullings down long before the matter reaches the Supremes. Even if the matter is taken up by the SC, I have little confidence of Roberts, Gorsuch, or Kavanaugh supporting it.

Indeed. This law violates the limits of realpolitik. Since it is too extreme for most of the country it will result in Roe being upheld and perhaps becoming even stronger than before. So instead of effecting serious change they're shooting their wad on destructive virtue signaling. It's like the gun grabbers when they overplay their advantage.

Blogger Kat May 15, 2019 6:53 PM  

As far as the rape argument goes - they make this thing called a morning after or rape pill. It triggers a woman's menstrual period and effectively prevents a pregnancy. While I don't approve of this pill being used for birth control aka "the condom broke" it's a pretty big slam against the rape exception. Not sure I would use it myself in such a circumstance, but it does make surgical abortion in cases of rape pretty unnecessary.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 15, 2019 7:01 PM  

Jack and Mark are about to get some really bad news.

https://lauraloomer.us/2019/05/15/trump-administration-creates-white-housetech-bias-tool-for-americans-to-report-social-media-bias/#.XNyTlx5OmdM

Blogger sammibandit May 15, 2019 7:10 PM  

4. Several years ago out of the blue, a grocery checkout girl spilled her entire story of rape, pregnancy, decesion not to abort, and decision to give the baby up for adoption. She said she just couldn't keep the baby. Like she was a failure. A nobody young woman in a small town in a rural state showed stronger fortitude than Planned Parenthood wants us to think possible.

Stories like this remind us that the closest a female gets to battle is childbirth. Old Norse culture ranked dying in childbirth a "good death".

What's more is that your story is a great morale booster. This is a working class girl taking on the weight of the world, saying no to temptation, and doing what is right. Salt of the earth if ever there was. It's neat how that human spirit just refuses to be extinguished in the most humble of people. Very Tolkeinesque. Thanks for sharing.

Blogger Crew May 15, 2019 7:10 PM  

They should probably make it a felony for ANYONE to perform an abortion at any stage, with a similar penalty attached.

Hmmm, a post-birth abortion, sometimes known as murder, attracts a lesser penalty, I think.

Blogger doctrev May 15, 2019 7:12 PM  

wahr01 wrote:
To the slim majority that are "pro-choice", it is a burning, existential threat of the exact same nature that will become a single-issue vote in any election.

Want to turn red areas blue? Because this is how you turn red areas blue.



1) Women are not always cowards- come after the children of a significant number of them, and you'll soon wish you hadn't- but the kind of woman who would sacrifice her baby for transient social advantage is generally a coward. They aren't confident in going to heaven, nor would they sacrifice their lives for strangers.

2) If that's what it takes to win elections, it's better to let elections die.

3) The Supreme Court runs a real risk of losing ALL its power if it doesn't just let the states enact whatever abortion laws they desire. As Doug Jones impotently realizes, even Alabama Democrats are not united in favor of abortion, while Republicans generally are. Or maybe Americans will start insisting the Supreme Court clear out some special people in favor of actual American Protestants, aka the dominant religion.

Your choice.

Blogger wahr01 May 15, 2019 7:56 PM  

@133

I'll wait to see where this goes.

If it isn't a chute straight to the dumpster out back, it should only take 60 days to collate enough cases to mobilize the civil rights and anti-trust division of the DOJ to start harassing these companies and making their lives hell.

Blogger Curlytop May 15, 2019 8:14 PM  

Ha! So now Missouri is now trying to pass through a ProLife bill to outdo Alabama and Ga. I love it! How many more states will join in?

Blogger State Estimation May 15, 2019 8:23 PM  

Thank you, St Alyssa Milano, for showing us the way; that women had control of their bodies the whole damn time.

If they won't let me have an abortion, I won't get pregnant! That'll show 'em!

Blogger Cluebat May 15, 2019 8:38 PM  

Straighten me out here. I have always heard politicians and high court nominees refer to Roe as "settled law". No one ever disputes it. But as I was reading up about it (months past) I sought to find cases where it has been challenged, but found nothing. Roe v. Wade has never been challenged directly, and so does not merit the term "settled law". There are many cases where other statutes had been challenged, and Roe was invoked, but the case law itself was not challenged. I suspect that there was an abiding fear, in the past, that due to the makeup of the SC, if it had been directly challenged, it was certain to be upheld, and thus gain stature as settled case law.
Does this sound correct? Or am I missing something?

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 15, 2019 8:49 PM  

If a state can haul you off for having the wrong kind of gun or the wrong accessory for it, then so be it. Turnabout is fair play in this civil war.
I don't recall the right to an abortion being in the bill of rights. Maybe it will be if the wrong people win this war. We know which amendments won't be around in that situation.

I recall Alabama taking some pretty big heat for not being too eager to get gays married too. I think, or hope, that Alabamans are simply taking revenge collectively. It's time we did that. The enemy does exactly that. That's how for example we get deplatformed by "random SJWs" in big tech. There they are, all lockstep, and even if management is not having it in for us, some fat little bluehair somewhere is going to push the button every damned time.

Since the left are pushing for a day when we will have to go to a training course and see a leftist-educated shrink for a right to have a gun, then we should also propose that women should have to go see some clergy and take a class on adoption options and long term health effects of abortion before they get one.

In the end though, all I want is for every leftist to wail and gnash their teeth in return for the lifetime of death by a thousand cuts they have visited on our civilization.

I now go mine the salt.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky May 15, 2019 9:07 PM  

Man hatets calling for a sex strike... Because pro life men always date child murdering witches to begin with... Gotta be thankful for how stupid the opponents are. Sin truly darkens the intellect.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel May 15, 2019 9:36 PM  

@71

No better example of the lack of female accountability than Joann Curley. I knew a guy that worked as an accountant with PA Dept of Corrections, he described her as pure evil.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joann-curley-woman-who-killed-husband-with-rat-poison-in-food-released-from-prison/

Blogger sammibandit May 15, 2019 10:05 PM  

One of the faults of Lysistrata was that she didn't listen to the Chorus. Hollyweird will get the picture whether they like it or not. Deus Vult.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit May 15, 2019 10:13 PM  

Bravi Alabamans. You do your nation proud.

Apropos of this thread, Declan Finn's Saint Tommy series is excellent value. The fair and gracious Mrs. Wright was the editrix. It's Q for Christians.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey May 15, 2019 10:20 PM  

Jab Burrwalky wrote:Man hatets calling for a sex strike... t.

Isn't that remarkable? These same women claim abstinence is an unrealistic and completely unrealistic expectation that nobody can live up to. That's one their principle arguments for abortion.

But look, abstinence is the first thing they run to in order to defend abortion. They have arrived at the utility of abstinence in the exactly backwards way. Abstinence FOR abortion, not to prevent it!

Blogger Dave May 15, 2019 11:37 PM  

The Governor did sign the bill into law this evening. Governor Kay Ivey is a woman which negates somewhat the charges the pro-abort crowd says this result was only due to the actions of a small group of Republican men.

In other news, Cocaine Mitch is able to push through confirmation of Trump's fifth U.S. Circuit judge on the Ninth Circuit; Kenneth Lee, replacing an extreme liberal Stephen Reinhardt.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2019 11:49 PM  

"Want to turn red areas blue? Because this is how you turn red areas blue."

Giving up my weapons wouldn't land me in Hell with you. The same women who will sacrifice their baby to their feelings will sacrifice their feelings to escape pain. You won't even give up a transient political advantage to prevent ritual serial murder.

Remember, in the world, not of the world.

"Stories like this remind us that the closest a female gets to battle is childbirth. Old Norse culture ranked dying in childbirth a "good death"."

Bears repeating.

"But look, abstinence is the first thing they run to in order to defend abortion. They have arrived at the utility of abstinence in the exactly backwards way. Abstinence FOR abortion, not to prevent it!"

Well spotted. The inversives strike again.

Blogger Kevin May 16, 2019 3:31 AM  

60% of abortions in Alabama are performed on black women. There is no estimate on the number of white women carrying fetuses of color who undergo the procedure. In any case an abortion ban is demographically bad for whites. Abortion should be promoted and subsidized for communities of color and for poor whites, who are more likely to be mud sharking.

Blogger Brad May 16, 2019 5:43 AM  

This is a bit of an echo chamber. Just to remind you: there are folks who disagree - even conservative folks. Forcing a young girl to carry a baby from rape or incest - that's just cruel.

Also, "any stage" of pregnancy isn't the bright line you think it is. Do tell, when does pregnancy start? When the fertilized egg implants in the uterus? That can be a couple of days after it is fertilized, before which time no pregnancy test will be positive. Even fertilization is a *process* with multiple steps.

If you carry this back far enough, you wind up prohibiting birth control, and joining the "every sperm is sacred" camp. Lots of people, even those you think are on your side, are not going to follow you there.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with aborting a fetus anytime in the first trimester. That's before significant neural development.

Blogger Amy May 16, 2019 7:55 AM  

There’s been a meme circulating “congratulations you invented marriage” in response to this.

Meat of matter: if a woman cannot abort, a man cannot abandon.

Father’s rights get lost in all of this debate. Abortion is premised on a woman not being “supported” in her journey, so she must abort to continue her purpose.

But what about the guy who is told hey, I’m pregnant”? He has no say? We assume men don’t want to be fathers. That was my 80s film education and 90s Be Yourself indoctrination.

First you have an Endless Summer, chasing waves around time zones and hemispheres. Then you have endless women tagging along on your summer. Then endless money in the stock market.

I’m only going off of what popcult (PC?) has given us midwits for generations.

Prosperity or the jay kew

I don’t know. I can see the unraveling though, and it isn’t pleasant. I weave and I knit and I don’t think of art or craft as free form or completely sans rules. The fabric of a society must have some regulation, else you end up with a chaotic piece only appreciable for its ability to turn out a lesson in what not to do.

Father’s rights matter. If a woman is going to claim 2 to Tango, then, well...if the father wants the baby...2 to Tango. Oh my, she’s on the hook for 9 months of gestational care.

Better rethink the consequences, and know the biological and *ahem* evopsych realities of your back seat of my Jeep decisions.

I don’t like how this is all framed in the woman’s house. I know a man who fathered a child, but the girlfriend aborted before he could even have a minute to consider it. He regrets it, too. He moved on (perhaps this ability to move on, or compartmentalize, is the real jealousy women feel?), but he used to bring up the “what if?”

He’s married now, with a kid, and he’s happy. Another on the way. He’ll be ok. Let’s not pretend abortion only affects a woman. Or a man. It affects society, it coarsens us all to the value of life. It serves to question our own esteem of that value. Yet we’re expected to value foreign lives over our own potential progeny. As long as we’re comfortable, we will continue doing this.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 16, 2019 8:34 AM  

@ Nate, your position (a restatement of the grasp of politics that existed a couple centuries ago) is consistent with the wisdom of not demanding irreconcilably different people live together, wisdom long abandoned under the rubric of Perfecting Mankind by force, something Marx was hardly the first to imagine.

Globalism sells because it promises the latest iPhag in every pot, at the cost of everyone's souls. A unitary USA is just the step down from globalism, ditto the EU. That goatherds in Afghanistan, bankers in Hong Kong, nomads in Mongolia, farmers in Ukraine, etc., etc. prefer irreconcilably different modes of living seems a concept too difficult for Globalists to grasp, or else they grasp it all too well and weave it into their Machiavellian con artistry.

I maintain that the march toward unity was an artifact of a social mood mania the likes of which humans have never seen. The last 60 (or 160) years were a confluence of a Gnostic Crusade combined with the full bloom of several industrial revolutions plus that mania in optimism/trust/openness.

Drunk on the cumulative innovations of steam (hydraulic), petrochemical and semi-conductor, Westerners embraced the heresy that they have replaced God himself as creator and manager of Earth and all its creatures. Such hubris is difficult to wrap my mind around, yet it surrounds us all and forms the water in which we all swim. How do we discuss the concept of "being wet" with a fish? When was the last time someone in power said, "Well, I don't know?"

Cumulative innovation is now the province of evil. Every man is stripped naked before surveillance enabled by prior art. Databases of infinite depth now accumulate, knowing us better than we know ourselves and used by those so corrupted by this Power that not even Orwell imagined the outcome.

This is the Age of Innovation-being-turned-exclusively-to-evil. The future will be built of an inversion of the last 160 years. Pathological trust/openness/togetherness will invert, and the fruits of innovation will be reframed as a bane on humanity.

It's a cycle. We're in the apogee phase. I think there's a reason a bunch of books on stoicism are being published.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2019 8:48 AM  

doctrev wrote:2) If that's what it takes to win elections, it's better to let elections die.

End elections to end abortions? It's win-win!

Blogger Avalanche May 16, 2019 9:01 AM  

@91 "I have similar ideas about PTSD (beating swords into plows) for healing,"

People who beat their swords into plowshares PLOW FOR THOSE WHO DON'T!

Blogger Avalanche May 16, 2019 9:24 AM  

@132 "As far as the rape argument goes - they make this thing called a morning after or rape pill."

This certainly makes me feel somewhat better about ... the future. However -- as great as it is to say, "here's a solution to 'I cannot imagine carrying a rapist's child to term" -- the 'anti' folks: anti-abortion, anti morning-after pill 'because: abortion,' and finally anti-birth control -- will get those outlawed as well. You have NOT solved the problem.

Yes, I'd LOVE to get back to a mostly chaste society; where girls and women do NOT think being a slut is a good or acceptable thing, and boys/men don't keep pushing and pushing for sex: where SOCIAL restraints on slutting -- or inviting slutting -- are strong and mostly effective. But we're nowhere NEAR there, and I don't know how, with all the non-White, non-Christian, hell, non-CIVILIZED folks now filling the country, we can GET there! Trying to 'enforce' the behaviors that would obviate any need for abortion -- or morning-after pills -- by outlawing the 'fixes after' will NOT return us to that desired for 'past-as-future' gentility.

Many women do want to find and marry "Mr. Darcy"; but when faced with, "then you must live and act within the society rules that ALLOW for Mr. Darcys to exist," many pull back. If MEN must socially and in business shun men who 'trifle' with a woman's affections; and women must not be seen out with a man and no chaperone; and there are 'unwed mother' hiding homes till the babe is born for careless or raped women; and those seemingly sound civilizational rules ... well, I do not think you can GET there merely by outlawing way-less-than-optimal 'solutions' to the RESULTS of the destruction forced on our nation!!

Blogger sammibandit May 16, 2019 9:43 AM  

@Kevin, go back to Voat. You missed the point. Murder is murder. You don't pick and choose based on circumstances of birth who lives and who dies.

@Brad, do you even go here? Arguing from the margins is weak here. We already covered rape and incest. Go back to Voat with Kevin.

Back to the Old Norse analogy. The same people we get the word Thing. As long as a person is living they have a use. Only the dead have no use. This culture has more influence on our culture now than you know. Better get used to it.

Blogger The Cooler May 16, 2019 10:13 AM  

Forcing a young girl to carry a baby from rape or incest - that's just cruel.

The purpose would not be to inflict pain or suffering nor would the actors be sadists devoid of humane feelings. So no, it wouldn't be "cruel."

Also, "any stage" of pregnancy isn't the bright line you think it is. Do tell, when does pregnancy start? When the fertilized egg implants in the uterus?

That is the common definition, yes.

That can be a couple of days after it is fertilized, before which time no pregnancy test will be positive.

Ergo, abortion is irrelevant prior to knowledge of pregnancy.

If you carry this back far enough, you wind up prohibiting birth control, and joining the "every sperm is sacred" camp. Lots of people, even those you think are on your side, are not going to follow you there.

Gay infinite regressions are gay.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with aborting a fetus anytime in the first trimester. That's before significant neural development.

Because your reasoning is captious, at best.

For Christians, the matter revolves around ensoulment, not the arbitrary physiological metrics that you clearly feel send all possible arguments off the rails. Indeed, these arbitrary physiological metrics only derail the sorts of arguments dependent upon them.

At the end of your captious reasoning are the justifications for post-birth abortion; those, too, orbit around "cruelty."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2019 10:18 AM  

Brad wrote:This is a bit of an echo chamber. Just to remind you: there are folks who disagree - even conservative folks. Forcing a young girl to carry a baby from rape or incest - that's just cruel.

This is about whether murder is acceptable to God. We know the answer to that question. Nobody cares about your feelz.

Brad wrote:If you carry this back far enough, you wind up prohibiting birth control, and joining the "every sperm is sacred" camp. Lots of people, even those you think are on your side, are not going to follow you there.


This is about whether murder is acceptable to God. We know the answer to that question. Nobody cares about your feelz.

Blogger Damn the torpedos May 16, 2019 10:19 AM  

Preform a C section under anesthesia and the mother never even has to see the little person.

Under no circumstances should she be encouraged to kill any little person.

That being said, I do sympathize with the plight of those few women who face this. If you read about the German women raped by the Russians at the end of WW2 it was not uncommon for the ladies to terminate the pregnancy out of shame. Rape is deeply damaging to a woman’s psyche and if she views the birth of the child as a continuation of the unwanted intrusion of her reproductive system she might very well commit the evil of infanricide.

We as a culture, however, must come alongside and politely but firmly remind these women that the child is also a person who’s life will be torn apart by the rape.

Their mother is seriously contemplating killing them because of the pain of the rape in which they were conceived. If that’s not a reason to have compassion on a child nothing is.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 16, 2019 10:31 AM  

Forcing a young girl to carry a baby from rape or incest - that's just cruel.

That just too bad. Life is cruel sometimes. Look, you can feel as bad about her plight as you want, but the bottom line is that an innocent baby lives or dies. There's no way to "exception" around that. Maybe someday we'll have the technology to take the baby out of her right away and incubate it for the adoptive parents so she doesn't have to carry it, but that's not an option now. (When it is, the pro-aborts will still argue that she shouldn't have to live knowing her rape baby is out there somewhere.)

You don't get to kill people because their existence makes you feel bad, even if it feels really, really, really bad. That's just how it is. If you know a girl in that rare situation, by all means do whatever you can to help her deal with it, but you don't get to kill the baby.

Blogger Damn the torpedos May 16, 2019 10:35 AM  

How does being against brith control, which has caused so much destruction in gender relations, commit a person to believing that “every sperm is sacred”?

And frankly I’d rather die fighting alongside an ignorant man who had so much respect for the miracle of sex and birth that he believed a few silly things about sperm than ever be associated with a faux deconstructionist intellectual who’s biggest priority is being disassociated from those stupid pro lifers out in the sticks.

Blogger The Observer May 16, 2019 10:51 AM  

If you carry this back far enough, you wind up prohibiting birth control, and joining the "every sperm is sacred" camp. Lots of people, even those you think are on your side, are not going to follow you there.

This one simple statement tells us so much about "Brad" and his oh-so-concerned statement:

*He's a modernist, to imagine that banning birth control is a shocking position for us to hold.
*He's new to this place, to imagine that the massive deleterious effects of birth control on everything from human relations to the environment haven't been extensively discussed here, as well as it being inherently against natural law.
*He speaks to power, not truth, imagining that the truth gives a damn about how many warm bodies follow it.


Blogger sammibandit May 16, 2019 11:38 AM  

Gamma alert! Gestation and birth is not cruel. It's what females are designed to do. If you think it's cruel you need to issue your mother an invoice for gross bodily harm on herself. Good luck collecting on that.

Blogger Crew May 16, 2019 12:11 PM  

I should clarify my earlier comment.

Since the new law in Alabama is going to be appealed to the SC, it seems to me they would be more likely to prevail if they made the penalty the same as the penalty for murder.

Maybe they did.

Blogger Crew May 16, 2019 12:13 PM  

Forcing a young girl to carry a baby from rape or incest - that's just cruel.

Have any stats on how frequently that occurs? Or, precisely, how frequently an abortion is procured because of those two?

Close to zero I suspect.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 16, 2019 12:14 PM  

"If you carry this back far enough, you wind up prohibiting birth control"

You say that like it's a bad thing.

"Lots of people, even those you think are on your side, are not going to follow you there."

And they will suffer the extinctive consequences of that failure.

Blogger justaguy May 16, 2019 1:01 PM  

Griswold in 1965 stopped the ban on birth control that many states had. It used the same judicial tyranny that Roe did -- I don't care that the democratically elected state legislatures decide this moral law-- I'm going to make up something to overrule it.

Before then States could decide their own moral laws within certain bounds. After 1965, the Supreme Court took that ability away, except when they gave it back to the progressive hordes. Now that the the morals have been broken, good luck putting them back together again.

Blogger Crew May 16, 2019 4:15 PM  

A meme about this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6tqIgAXkAAgoym.jpg

Blogger Jack Amok May 16, 2019 10:24 PM  

Forcing a young girl to carry a baby from rape or incest - that's just cruel.

As cruel as killing the baby because of his father's sins?

Blogger IreneAthena May 16, 2019 11:35 PM  

If only laws could turn the fathers’ and mothers’ hearts toward their children at all stages of development and in every circumstance of conception, but alas, 50 years of this debate seems only to have made hearts grow harder.
Pro-lifers might have opportunities to nurture that kind of heart-change in a “women’s rights” advocate while they’re working together on anti-death causes they both believe in. Just in time to distract from what might’ve been a unified groundswell of protest from the left and right against ongoing Middle East wars and proposed military adventures in Iran and Venezuela, both sides of the abortion debate are once again in an emotionally charged battle against one another.

Alabama people should get the kind of abortion laws Alabama people want, no argument against that. But pro-lifers, as occupants of the moral high ground, have the spiritual resources to navigate through the rancorous abortion rhetoric and invite cooperation of the “women’s rightists” on other anti-death projects. (There are limits to the possibilities for cooperation, of course, e.g. fierce devotees of the neoliberal war-hag who have a consistently anti-life ethic.)

Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2019 8:54 AM  

@158 "This is about whether murder is acceptable to God. We know the answer to that question. Nobody cares about your feelz.


1 Samuel 15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

So, you know BETTER than God?! Were HIS "feelz" unacceptable to you?! Or is this the part of the Bible you cherry pick OUT of your view?

Got any "feelz" for the raped 11-yr-old? The raped 45-yr-old? Guess not.

Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2019 9:20 AM  

@160 "You don't get to kill people because their existence makes you feel bad, even if it feels really, really, really bad."

DO you reject completely the Old Testament? Lots of killing going on in the history of Christendom, even after all the killing going on in the Old Testament. Did Christians over the millennia after Christ came become much different? Did not Christ say he came to bring a sword? I find that God seems not even slightly reluctant to kill on the basis of His "feelz" -- and He has killed infants AFTER birth, so why is killing them before birth somehow different?

It's not (merely) ABOUT feelz: it may be I hope to arouse some compassion for a girl or woman made unwillingly pregnant by a horrible act of violence; but I am calling also on your sources that you SAY you hold to, and yet seem to ignore parts.

We are AT WAR with a truly destructive internal set of enemies?! Do you hold that fighting a war by the Marquis's rules is a hugely bad idea? In a war, INNOCENTS die too. Are you willing to give up and lose this war to protect "innocent babies: -- and let Christendom end? Are you, thus, a conservative? Right now? Innocents of our nation are dying, but SO ARE future soldiers of our internal enemies! Will you save them both -- and have the innocents of our nation killed later by the non-aborted of our enemies?


1 Samuel 15:3 : Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

Deuteronomy 20:16 : However, in the cities of the nations that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not leave alive anything that breathes.

Judges 21:10 : So the congregation sent 12,000 of their most valiant men and commanded them: "Go and put to the sword those living in Jabesh-gilead, including women and children.

Psalm 137:9 : Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!

Hosea 13:16 : Samaria ... their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2019 9:35 AM  

It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 15 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated "Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 31 million

So, an ARMY of internal enemies, just in the black "community" has NOT be prepared for our war. Is this not a GOOD thing?!

An African-American woman is almost five times likelier to have an abortion than a white woman, and a Latina more than twice as likely, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/abortions-racial-gap/380251/

the reality is that the typical abortion patient these days is a twenty-something single mother of color.
https://prospect.org/article/demographics-abortion-its-not-what-you-think



Is it really the best possible idea to prevent the killing of future enemy soldiers in this already extant race war?! Everyone seems to agree that the U.S. will be breaking up into "nations" via bloodshed and death. Most agree that the race war is already 'on" -- just the White nation isn't fighting back. Do you believe it would have been a good idea to "welcome" -- to force the births of -- 15 MILLION enemy soldiers? One HALF of the population of just this one internal-enemy nation?!

In WAR, your "feelz" about saving the poor little babies OF OUR ENEMIES should probably be shelved until we win the war or go extinct! Dyah think?

Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2019 9:51 AM  

@169 'As cruel as killing the baby because of his father's sins?"

Has not Vox described the Roman pater familias having the power of life and death over his household as a good thing?

Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2019 9:53 AM  

@157 "For Christians, the matter revolves around ensoulment, not the arbitrary physiological metrics"

For Christians, "ensoulment" used to be defined as "at quickening." Quickening is defined as the first movements of the fetus felt in utero. It occurs from the eighteenth to the twentieth week of pregnancy.

Would that not count as an arbitrary religious metric?


@157 Forcing a young girl to carry a baby from rape or incest - that's just cruel.
The purpose would not be to inflict pain or suffering nor would the actors be sadists devoid of humane feelings. So no, it wouldn't be "cruel."

Yours is the decision to further "inflict pain and suffering" on an already harmed young girl (or adult woman): one might even call such a purpose "devoid of humane feelings." Does not the outcome of your purpose matter? Or maybe you do NOT care about the already born girl or the adult woman who has suffered an attack -- you care only for the fetus. If the result of your purpose is to inflict pain or suffering on the already harmed girl or woman -- how do you escape that? Not your problem? Too bad for the raped female? All that matters to you is you intended result?

How about stopping rapists’ genes from being carried into the next generation of our nation. If, as some here have held, miscegenation is a sin, would not requiring a young girl to carry to bear a mixed-race child resulting from rape -- i.e., we know for sure that the "father" is both vicious and violent -- be both cruel and a sin?

What do YOU intend to do with the boatloads of 'birthed but discarded' non-White babies? Are you unfamiliar with Ukraine under Ceauescu? -- he outlawed birth control and abortion -- and the orphanages were crammed with babies, discarded, uncared for, and permanently damaged by it. The following study was on White kids, who didn't start out behind the curve on intelligence and ability to be socialized.

https://www.livescience.com/21778-early-neglect-alters-kids-brains.html
They found that early institutionalization changed both the structure and the function of the brain. Any time spent in an institution shrunk the volume of gray matter, or brain cell bodies, in the brain. Kids who stayed in the orphanages instead of going to foster care also had less white matter, or the fat-covered tracts between brain cell bodies, than kids who, at a young age, moved in with families.
Staying in an orphanage instead of foster care also resulted in lower-quality brain activity as measured by EEG, Fox said. Teachers indicated these same kids were also worse off socially.


Also, this: http://theconversation.com/ceau-escus-orphans-what-a-regressive-abortion-law-does-to-a-country-71949


I do NOT support abortion as birth control -- except the case of non-members of our nation where I wholeheartedly support it. I also don't support your blind-to-consequences 'every potential-baby is more valuable than any adult or young female' unwillingly made pregnant. I also absolutely support abortions that keep our internal enemies from creating more violent soldiers to rape and murder more of our people.

After we recreate a United States based in and peopled under the Three Pillars, I would unhappily support an end to abortion. If we are to return to Christendom, then I could understand instituting such laws. We are nowhere close to that yet! I disagree with ending an exception for rape and incest, but we can also recreate unwed mothers homes. But, now? Today? When per capita, our ENEMIES are preventing the filling of their reserves of offspring?!

It's NOT Whites! Abortion rates by race and ethnicity
https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/395-351.png

Do the rules of life change according to whether we're at war or not?


But okay, I'm out. This is never going to be a topic that can be settled. Ha. PRAY GOD we manage to win this war.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 17, 2019 9:55 AM  

"So, you know BETTER than God?!"

Please spamalanche. You know perfectly well that we aren't currently commanded by God to kill babies of anyone. Murder is illegal killing. God's law is the highest law. Killing babies is currently murder.

Blogger sammibandit May 17, 2019 11:56 AM  

@Avalanche,

1. Do not take the Lord's name in vain. Please. You are not Christian. You can't tell us what God knows since you don't know Him. Get to know Him and you may speak on what He knows. He knows you, but you don't know Him. Yet.

Besides, a Christian surely knows better what God knows better than someone who isn't Christian, even if that knowledge is only an inkling of what He knows.

2. You are not Christian. You are prohibited from counselling Christians on Christian matters. See above. We are under no obligation to take your counsel. I wish you would convert so you could do that with no eschatological impact on your soul. Please...

3. Christ fulfilled the OT law. See Azure's reply. See point 1. We are not held to it.

4. Do not try to trick God using his Law. By trying to hold the commentariat to OT law you are attempting to trick God. I don't know if you know that. See point 2. It's for your own good that you are prohibited from counselling Christians not ours.

Blogger IreneAthena May 17, 2019 3:35 PM  

Did Avalanche really mean it when she said she was out of this conversation? I hope she comes back to read some of the responses to her questions, or that SOMEBODY comes back to read them, because a lot of sincerely seeking people raise similar questions about Biblical violence. And she raises interesting questions about Christianity’s perspective on violence,too.

Homework assignment for you Avalanche: find all the Scriptures where Jesus says he’s giving his followers a NEW commandment and establishing a NEW covenant. There was a reason the Jewish religious leaders and occupying Roman forces put Jesus to death: he was upending the fear- and violence-based worldviews that kept them in power. One important reason he was here was to demonstrate the power of love, mercy and forgiveness.

Those merciful qualities were clearly demonstrated by the God of the Old Testament most of the time too, the exceptions being when God was using the Hebrews to punish his enemies (and almost as often, vice versa.) Another message Jesus came to give was that God has offered peace to the world through the Cross. The enemies of God’s people are no longer specific human races or tribes that he sends out to utterly destroy, but rather powerfully evil entities in high places. God gives us powerful spiritual weapons to withstand them, and battle cries, too Avalanche: all those nasty Old Testament Bible verses calling for blood you listed can be very effective tools in spiritual warfare.

That’s not to say that Jesus opposed all violence. Yes, he did recommend his followers buy swords, but it’s notable how many times he told those followers to put away (NOT throw away) those swords. Blessed are the peacemakers, he said. Ideally peacemaking means finding common ground and/or gently instructing, thereby making allies instead of enemies. However, in a world where evil greedy violent people prey on the defenseless, peacemaking or peacekeeping involves defending one’s home and homeland with physical, as well as spiritual swords.

***
Now onto those interesting questions about violence to babies. Some people here would agree with Avalanche’s view that Blacks are our enemies and so we should not stand in the way of their self-slaughter via abortion. I doubt most people who visit here feel that way: don’t forget that Vox Day turned the decor around here purple for awhile to honor deceased musician Prince.

War has always complicated moral decisions about killing babies, and the way it has complicated changes with the times. War used to produce more unwanted babies because of the very common practice of raping the women of enemies defeated in war. Napoleon decried this behavior by his soldiers but it still happened: a lot, and this in the days before medical advances, where women died in childbirth rather frequently. Surgical abortion wasn’t a big business back then as it is now: quietly going to a patch of pennyroyal for a dose of a natural abortifacient was the way it was done back then. Most people were unaware of abortions going on around them, and if they had, they may have seen them as the lesser of two evils given the wartime realities of wide-spread often life-threatening pregnancies as a result of rapes from an occupying enemy.

These days it’s just the opposite. Medical advances (often as simple as washing hands before attending to a laboring woman)have reduced the rate of life-threatening pregnancies to a vanishingly small number. Today we have the medical and social resources to show mercy to a woman and her unplanned child, to give them BOTH a chance at life. What’s different now is the way modern mass-death-from-the-sky warfare has dramatically increased the number of dead babies, born and unborn. We look away, euphemize those deaths as collateral damage, just as our ancestors may have turned a blind eye to wartime visits to the pennyroyal patch.

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