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Tuesday, May 14, 2019

The deployments will continue

Until the occupations succeed. Neo-Palestinians are attempting to sucker President Trump into yet another useless foreign war, presumably on behalf of Israel:
Donald Trump has reportedly been presented with a plan to send as many as 120,000 troops to the Middle East to counter the so-called Iranian threat, the New York Times reported.

Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan disclosed the updated military plan at a meeting of Trump's top security aides on Thursday, the publication said, quoting anonymous sources inside the administration.

Several options to tackle Tehran in the region were outlined to the president during the briefing, while "the uppermost option called for deploying 120,000 troops, which would take weeks or months to complete," the Times said.

While the revisions "ordered" by "hard-liners" do not promulgate a land invasion of Iran, "the development reflects the influence of Mr. Bolton, one of the administration’s most virulent Iran hawks,” The Times reported. Bolton has been a long-time advocate of using military force against Tehran, even penning an op-ed in 2015 titled “Top Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran.”

The proposal to send additional reinforcements comes amid accusations from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo that Tehran has been engaging in “an escalating series of threatening actions and statements in recent weeks.” To counter the unspecified threat, the Pentagon has already deployed the USS ‘Abraham Lincoln’ carrier strike group and bomber task force, including B-52s, to the region.
If the United States is insane enough to start another war, this one with Iran, you can go ahead and move up that 2033 estimate for its collapse. Unnecessary attempts at expansion meeting with completely unexpected military defeat is probably the second-most-common way for empires to fall throughout recorded history.

I thought Iraq risked being the USA's Syracuse. But Iran would make for a much better candidate.

The thing is, we KNOW the US empire is going to fail catastrophically and lead to the eventual collapse of the state. We absolutely know this, what we don't know yet is when and why. But the picture does appear to be coming into focus.

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84 Comments:

Blogger Nate May 14, 2019 8:07 AM  

the most patriotic thing a man could do today would be to kidnap Bolton and squirrel him off on some island where he can't murder the empire with his vast stupidity.

we all cringed when Trump appointed him... and this is why.

Blogger Gregory the Great May 14, 2019 8:13 AM  

no Trumpslide if he goes to war now.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 14, 2019 8:16 AM  

Tops arrive when even the most dedicated bears capitulate to the uptrend.

Recent "improvements" in economic health and top-line successes of the Trump Administration have crushed naysayers and dyed-in-the-wool bears.

Nothing on Earth sets up failure like success, specifically the embrace of ones infallibility having posted a string of victories over adversaries human and natural.

It doesn't have to be a Universalist Cult priest who takes the unsinkable SS USA on its last voyage of Beautiful Accomplishment, Beautiful Accomplishment.

I wonder if my personal capitulation to planning on a continuation of today's relative tranquility is a particularly bad omen.

Blogger VD May 14, 2019 8:17 AM  

Or shave his mustache. I understand that will take away his dark powers.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 14, 2019 8:24 AM  

Pompeo is meeting with Putin today in Sochi, no doubt getting baited into attacking Iran. If Trump pits the neo-cons versus the Democrats he might squeeze thru this trap, but it is obvious to me that this is a bipartisian trap for the GE.

Blogger Disciple of Kek May 14, 2019 8:41 AM  

#NotAllMustaches

Blogger Nate May 14, 2019 8:42 AM  

"Or shave his mustache. I understand that will take away his dark powers."

Well it had to be something. There is no other way to explain the way that a man like that could be wrong about literally everything... all the time... and still have influence.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 14, 2019 8:46 AM  

Gregory the Great wrote:no Trumpslide if he goes to war now.

That could be correct. One powerful motivator to vote for Trump in 2016 was the near certainty that Hillary would get us into war with Russia.

The thing is, we KNOW the US empire is going to fail catastrophically and lead to the eventual collapse of the state. We absolutely know this, what we don't know yet is when and why. But the picture does appear to be coming into focus.

It's almost as if some shadowy, powerful group had seized control of the levers of power, and was trying to get our empire and our nation to self destruct in the bloodiest, most destructive way possible.

This plan is being presented to Trump. The good news is that he is quite likely to wave it about, then drop it. How many wars has Trump threatened so far? How many wars has Trump started so far? His record of dealing with this Neocon nonsense is actually pretty good.

Blogger Nate May 14, 2019 8:48 AM  

"The thing is, we KNOW the US empire is going to fail catastrophically and lead to the eventual collapse of the state. We absolutely know this, what we don't know yet is when and why. But the picture does appear to be coming into focus."

we don't know that. England managed to pull back and survive by accepting the reality of the situation and adjusting to the new normal. England shank and lost influence but it never stopped being England. At least... not until it shot itself in the head by joining the EU... but that had nothing to do with the Empire cycle.

America can and should follow that example. Start bringing the troops home. start closing the bases all over the world. Focus on America. We could do that... and we would survive.

But will we do that?

No. Probably not.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 14, 2019 8:54 AM  

Mike Pompeo that Tehran has been engaging in “an escalating series of threatening actions and statements in recent weeks.”

"Why you gettin' mad Ayatollah, I'm not touching you!"

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 14, 2019 8:59 AM  

Is Trump's civ Nat showing or was he faced with personal and family destruction and took the hint to play ball?

Blogger Desdichado May 14, 2019 9:01 AM  

Nate wrote:"The thing is, we KNOW the US empire is going to fail catastrophically and lead to the eventual collapse of the state. We absolutely know this, what we don't know yet is when and why. But the picture does appear to be coming into focus."

we don't know that. England managed to pull back and survive by accepting the reality of the situation and adjusting to the new normal. England shank and lost influence but it never stopped being England. At least... not until it shot itself in the head by joining the EU... but that had nothing to do with the Empire cycle.

America can and should follow that example. Start bringing the troops home. start closing the bases all over the world. Focus on America. We could do that... and we would survive.

But will we do that?

No. Probably not.

Actually, the same is true for every European big empire from the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Dutch and the English to... hopefully, the American (European in this sense not referring to geography but to culture and genetics.) Their big, sprawling colonial empires failed, but none of those countries ceased to be those countries back in their actual Fatherland. The failure of the American Empire might arguably be the best thing that could happen to the American nation right now.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 14, 2019 9:02 AM  

This is just a plan. God-willing, President Trump won't implement it.

Blogger Blaidd May 14, 2019 9:03 AM  

England had the advantage of still being one nation and the English remained in charge for the most part. The US now comprises many nations and Americans are not in control.

Blogger Steve Samson May 14, 2019 9:07 AM  

Also, we have our little island. The US empire spans the North American continent so it has much less scope to shrink and adjust.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 14, 2019 9:11 AM  

I'm with Nate. "Probably not."

There's no coherent USA to navigate to a smaller, humbler role. The last 50 years of Gnosticism, immivasion, demographic change, debt-to-spend lunacy, etc. indicates that there's no coherent vision in the wheelhouse. Empire USA is a vast supertanker, steaming full speed toward rock while the bridge is occupied by perpetual adolescents and those who belong in padded rooms, and "democracy" has locked the doors.

Blogger OneWingedShark May 14, 2019 9:33 AM  

Don't Call Me Len wrote:Mike Pompeo that Tehran has been engaging in “an escalating series of threatening actions and statements in recent weeks.”
"Why you gettin' mad Ayatollah, I'm not touching you!"

It is a clown world when international politics can so well be summed up in siblings pestering each other.

Desdichado wrote:The failure of the American Empire might arguably be the best thing that could happen to the American nation right now.
Agreed.
I care very little for empire, certainly weighed against country or nation… indeed, I wish that my nation would fight for the country, rather than let the continual invasion and replacement of its peoples continue.

Blogger Brett baker May 14, 2019 9:34 AM  

I've got livestock clippers. Just post we've got the calf, and I'll get ready.

Blogger Raker_T May 14, 2019 9:48 AM  

America could pull back from empire -if- America was in charge of itself. If, on the other hand, America was somebody's milk cow, somebody who couldn't care less about the old Jersey, then things are different. I hope President Trump does wave it about, but I see him as one in a difficult spot. I think he's sincere in his desire to help America, but he's in occupied territory. What would it take for ((them)) to crash the economy? The great negotiator is facing the challenge of his life. Pray for him daily. Part of my prayer is that he will have men who are loyal and courageous.

Blogger Azimus May 14, 2019 9:48 AM  

You leave Imperial Wilford Brimley alone!

Blogger I’ve Seen Things You People Wouldn’t Believe May 14, 2019 9:49 AM  

There's not one fucking thing in the ME that's worth a drop of American blood or treasure. If Trump goes on a neocon expedition, he is toast.

In 1900, Britain ruled the world. After two world wars that decimated 2 generations of their finest men, they were left a broken, bankrupt nation dependent on the goodwill of the United States for survival.

There is no one to bail us out. We've squandered trillions of dollars and many thousands of lives on an "empire" of dust.

No more.

No more.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 14, 2019 9:56 AM  

I saw claims yesterday that we've sent these troops and it's started, past tense, just as they did with Venezuela. The gaslighting narrative is clear: "It's happening, so stop opposing it and get on board to support the troops." I sometimes have to stop and do a reality check: are we at war? So far, no. The neocons reeeeeally want one, though. There's probably not much they wouldn't do to get one.

Blogger Mystic On Main May 14, 2019 9:58 AM  

Who knew John Bolton was Jewish?

There's no deployment coming. There's no political benefit in it for Trump. There's no geopolitical benefit in it for the U.S., particularly if you look at it from a cost-benefit analysis. Also, who thinks China or Russia would stay out of such a confrontation. At some point, you have to accommodate at state's sphere of influence. The President's foreign policy may be erratic, but it's not completely nonsensical.

Blogger Gregory the Great May 14, 2019 10:05 AM  

Why should Putin bait the US to attack Iran?

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 14, 2019 10:11 AM  

Still hoping that Michael Hudson is right in this article from 3 months ago - http://www.unz.com/mhudson/trumps-brilliant-strategy-to-dismember-u-s-dollar-hegemony/ - but frankly getting discouraged by the increasing frequency of war stories.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 May 14, 2019 10:12 AM  

The danger here of course is that America may not choose to quietly go into that goodnight. Yes we could have a Syracuse, lose a carrier group or two and get 10,000 troops captured/killed but the Athenians never had the option to try to nuke Sparta.

Blogger SonofLonginus May 14, 2019 10:13 AM  

A mass of Right Wing youth descends upon him, hilding him down while some young Hero wields the Holy Trimmers of Justice and forever strips the evil Court Advisor of his powers forever.

And the bards will sing.

Blogger dienw May 14, 2019 10:25 AM  

I, for one, have come to look forward to the destruction of the Washington D,C, empire and the elites/(((elites))) who run it; in fact, I would have no problem with the destruction of the elites and their colonial power: the fifty states are mere colonies of D.C. and need to be be freed; if it takes an invasion, so be it. It will be up to the states to re-establish a government and to prevent China, Russia, and the European powers from moving in, seizing territory, and creating their own colonies; the newly freed states should also remove the hand of Jewry from this continent.

I agree with Vox on his take of the phrase "We the people." It only applies to the financial, propertied, and corporate class; it does not apply to those who came after 1789; And it even didn't apply to those who were not of that class in 1789.

Blogger Didas Kalos May 14, 2019 10:33 AM  

Can some one slip a few Vallium in John Bolton's drink?

Blogger Hammerli 280 May 14, 2019 10:34 AM  

It would help to put a bullet into Goldwater-Nichols. I suspect a lot of the problem is that the current American force structure puts a lot of resources into the Army...and therefore focuses on plans that use that Army.

If you want to have a secure country that stays out of trouble, put your money into the Navy. Hell, the UK's problem arguably trace to the effort by the British Army to gain a larger role in a potential European war.

Also, kindly remember that "troops" these days can mean nearly any members of the armed services.

Blogger kurt9 May 14, 2019 10:39 AM  

If Trump gets us in another war, he will most certainly loose in 2020.

Blogger pyrrhus May 14, 2019 10:50 AM  

Iran has the upgraded Russian S-300 system, and will get further upgrades if necessary..Flying B-52s into that is just suicide, and the Air Force doesn't do suicide...

Blogger Ora Tevzre May 14, 2019 10:53 AM  

But, as Yertle, the Turtle King, lifted his hand
And started to order and give the command,
That plain little turtle below in the stack,
That plain little turtle whose name was just Mack,
Decided he'd taken enough. And he had.
And that plain little lad got a bit mad.
And that plain little Mack did a plain little thing.
He burped!
And his burp shook the throne of the king!

And Yertle the Turtle, the king of the trees,
The king of the air and the birds and the bees,
The king of a house and a cow and a mule...
Well, that was the end of the Turtle King's rule!
For Yertle, the King of all Sala-ma-Sond,
Fell off his high throne and fell Plunk! in the pond!

And tosay the great Yertle, that Marvelous he,
Is King of the Mud. That is all he can see.
And the turtles, of course... all the turtles are free
As turtles and, maybe, all creatures should be.

(from: Yertle the Turtle by Dr. Seuss)
- http://www.spunk.org/texts/prose/sp000212.txt

Blogger xevious2030 May 14, 2019 10:53 AM  

“Donald Trump has reportedly been presented with a plan to send as many as 120,000 troops to the Middle East to counter the so-called Iranian threat, the New York Times reported.”

The very tiny indicator was related to this, a key anecdotal example of more than just plan. Was not sure if just a small happenstance, but this provides more weight. Based on the two, it appears the preparations are already being made, with the expectation to get a green light and move. Some sort of boots on the ground, though not necessarily in Iran proper. Iraq may still end up being the Syracuse, by pissing away and lighting on fire the opportunity that was available for better relations with the Shiite people with the removal of Saddam.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/05/is-end-of-empire-nigh.html#c6243664359086621660

Blogger pyrrhus May 14, 2019 10:54 AM  

Anyway, war with Iran is not going to happen unless Trump is impeached...so it's not going to happen. Trump is not that stupid.

Blogger Tars Tarkas May 14, 2019 11:07 AM  

Desdichado wrote:

Actually, the same is true for every European big empire from the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Dutch and the English to... hopefully, the American (European in this sense not referring to geography but to culture and genetics.) Their big, sprawling colonial empires failed, but none of those countries ceased to be those countries back in their actual Fatherland.


We're not a European country anymore. We have all these Jews with extreme influence in the government, the media and the press. We have about 100 million non-Americans living and voting here. We just aren't a European country anymore and so you can't expect us to behave like one.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 14, 2019 11:16 AM  

Hammerli 280 wrote:If you want to have a secure country that stays out of trouble, put your money into the Navy. Hell, the UK's problem arguably trace to the effort by the British Army to gain a larger role in a potential European war.

If we were following that silly old constitution, we wouldn't even have an army most years.

Blogger Manuel May 14, 2019 11:24 AM  

Pompeo is in Sochi, Russia today. I'm hoping and praying Putin talks them out of this.

Blogger Borsabil May 14, 2019 11:28 AM  

Lets all take a deep breath and relax. How many times have we watched this movie? Syria? North Korea? Venezuela? Trump is the master of the bluff. Talk a big game, waive a stick around, get everyone thinking he's cra cra. I take this announcement for what it is, Trump wants to scare the Iranians into making a deal. Shoot I wouldn't be surprised if he was sitting at a table with the Mullahs in a year. It also keeps the neo cons and the tribe busy chasing shadows, win/win. If there's one thing we can 100% count on Trump not doing is launching a war in the middle east. He's a lot of things but a retard isn't one of them.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 14, 2019 11:41 AM  

#24 I didn't think of it Greer did as part of his plot in "Twilight's Last Gleaming", which has the FUSA empire bringing freedom to Tanzania after a huge oil find was begging to be democratized and the Chinese stepped in but with the Russians facilitating all the actions in the book.

So the Swamp gets its war and destroys Trump and Putin gets to deal with a D party president who will press the reset button and offer up America to the highest bidders, Russians, Chinese any and all.

Blogger Paul M May 14, 2019 11:45 AM  

Sigh. They'd all do well to look at a freaking map once in a while. Iran is big. It's also ruggedly mountainous, utterly unlike the nice flat desert that is most of Iraq.

Even worse, it's a modern democracy. Remember all the hoo-hah years ago about president whatshisface being worse than Hitler? And how that all stopped suddenly? You wanna know why it all stopped? Because that president served his term and they elected a new one.

Iran is a modern democracy with term limits, not a shithole country run by a military strongman. You cannot defeat a modern democracy by running a column of tanks into the capital and tipping over a statue in front of some carefully-placed cameras. You have to kill fucking everyone, you have to throw your entire country into the fight.

The USA is not politically in a position to do that.

Blogger Jeroth May 14, 2019 11:51 AM  

If Trump is in control, I can't see this happening. But if it does, it will prove that ZOG is real in the most literal sense.

Blogger xevious2030 May 14, 2019 12:04 PM  

#9 (N) There has been a lot of work done to set up the particular fall. It had been a certainty, if the players had followed protocols. By doing what evil does though, believing they are the higher intellect, they are undermining the certainty, and replacing that with opportunity for something not of their intention. It’s like telling someone that as long as they don’t lick the light socket they’ll be all right, and they just can’t help themselves but go French with it (as an American phrase). The Devil knows X, Y, Z to avoid Revelation, and yet he can not help himself. There is free choice, they are in control of that, and yet that is precisely their undoing. I would agree with Vox, a fall is coming, because that is what is needed to clean things up at this point. 2008 was the point of potential. Now is the paradigm shift. It is the result of the fall that is the interesting thing.

Blogger DonReynolds May 14, 2019 12:10 PM  

When Bolton manages to lose an American army in the Mid-East, I hope it is a fat army of Reservists and National Guard activated from only BLUE States, like California and New York and New England.

That would create more civilian employment for the illegal aliens, who would rush in to take their jobs, now permanently vacated. In fact, no need for fake marriage scams to get a green card, the Blue State widows can just scotch-tape Juan and Jose into the family to replace the fallen heroes. Call it Win-Win in the end.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel May 14, 2019 12:15 PM  

On the other hand, this does tell the Iranians that they can't expect anymore pallets of cash.

Blogger xevious2030 May 14, 2019 12:25 PM  

@44 Unfortunately, it is a lot of red State reservists, typical of the sort to put their ass on the line for something. But also the sort that, depending on things, might be less inclined to play nice once they return home. If the call is given.

Blogger Dos Voltz May 14, 2019 12:50 PM  

Trump is only as good as the people he surrounds himself with. Early on this was problematic, because, as a DC-phobe and outsider, he had to listen to people who pretended to be pro-Trump but were actually Deep State globalists. Trump eventually sees the light and weeds them out.

Bolton is one of these Deep State serpents. Trump got advice that "this is the guy you need, he's really smart, will project power, wisdom, knows the key players, yada, yada." Hopefully Trump's instincts, better angels, and the hand of God will bring the necessary epiphany.

The old way of seeing the world through Boomer lenses must fall away. We are an empire that elevates and celebrates the rise of Sodomites and Christ-haters to positions of power and rule. This is the sick Anglosphere, and we've pushed the disease on to all of western Europe.

I'd rather be part of a "newer" world order that sides with Poland, Hungary, and Russia. The Enlightenment was an error, Boomers. You'll get a Christian theocracy, a Muslim theocracy, or a Satanic theocracy. Now pick one so we know where to aim.

Blogger justaguy May 14, 2019 12:54 PM  

Why believe the NYT?

We would we station that many troops?

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 14, 2019 1:03 PM  

If Trump cedes to President Kushner and sends 120000 troops then he is finished.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 14, 2019 1:04 PM  

Most editorial cartoons are funny, but there was a good one the other day. Titled "John Bolton as a Baby". Four babies crying in a crib, the one labelled "John Bolton" is going WAARRRR and has a mustache.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky May 14, 2019 1:12 PM  

"We" would never have an army. The states states individually would have armies if they chose, and the citizens would form defensive militia if they so chose. The president wouldn't have unilateral control over them.

Blogger Avalanche May 14, 2019 1:30 PM  

@34 "“Donald Trump has reportedly been presented with a plan to send as many as 120,000 troops to the Middle East to counter the so-called Iranian threat, the New York Times reported.”"

Yes, and wasn't JFK presented with a 'plan' called Northwoods? Hope it doesn't hint forward, but what other "plans" has the God Emperor been "presented with"?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 14, 2019 1:31 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:If Trump cedes to President Kushner and sends 120000 troops then he is finished.
What's it like to be that stupid?

Blogger Nate May 14, 2019 1:51 PM  

boy.. i'm sure glad we got rid of Mattis… this is working out so well.

Blogger Garuna May 14, 2019 2:14 PM  

Cernovich says that Bolton purged a lot of deep state swamp creatures from the White House that were put in by McMaster and others.

Obviously this doesn't automatically make him a good guy. But if this is true, there must be a reason Trump hired him.

Blogger Raker_T May 14, 2019 2:14 PM  

What @41 said. IIRC, Iranians consider themselves Persian, and would not appreciate being thought of as Arab. Also, I think Hezbollah armed Christian militias. I don't want any Muslims here, but if I had to deal with any over there, it would be Shiite.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 14, 2019 2:36 PM  

@50

And of course, I meant to say "most editorial cartoons are lamer than your average Stephen Colbert one-liner"...

Blogger Nate May 14, 2019 2:38 PM  

"Cernovich says that Bolton purged a lot of deep state swamp creatures from the White House that were put in by McMaster and others."

jesus Christ...

Blogger VFM #7634 May 14, 2019 2:39 PM  

What @41 said. IIRC, Iranians consider themselves Persian, and would not appreciate being thought of as Arab.

@56 Raker_T
Judging from the behavior of the Iranian diaspora, if the Islamic regime in Iran is ever overthrown, Iran will quickly become the first country in all of world history to apostasize from Islam.

Blogger xevious2030 May 14, 2019 2:40 PM  

@48 with the sentiment of #54 (N).

“’I think it’s fake news, OK? Now, would I do that? Absolutely. But we have not planned for that. Hopefully we’re not going to have to plan for that. And if we did that, we’d send a hell of a lot more troops than that,’ Trump told reporters at the White House.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-military/trump-denies-u-s-military-considering-120000-troops-to-counter-iran-threat-idUSKCN1SK1YM

Blogger Robert What? May 14, 2019 2:58 PM  

From what I understand, Trump's primary motivation is to be liked. The Israelis and their press at least pretend to love him. The American press excoriate him at every turn. So I guess Trump is shifting his focus to what's best for Israel rather than what's best for the United States. Much more fulfilling for him.

Blogger ZhukovG May 14, 2019 3:29 PM  

@xevious2030: That sounds right. 120,000 is way too few to invade Iran with.

Also, I'd give even money that Bolton is wholly owned by President Trump and acts a the GE's pet Neocon. Bolton loves being close to the center of power. He probably helps the GE look just bellicose enough to keep the swamp off balance.

Swamp creatures have no love for one another. Give a few key ones a chance to hold onto or increase their power and they'll happily push the rest in front of a train for you.

Blogger xevious2030 May 14, 2019 4:12 PM  

@62 (ZG) Yep, unless the method was to kill everyone along the way. Which it is certainly not. Added, "a hell of a lot more troops than that" sounds like it would be big, so huge, the best whatever you have ever heard of. The one-upmanship is reassuring, because it sounds like talk without immediate commitment, whatever the neoCons may be cooking up.

Blogger Geir Balderson May 14, 2019 4:50 PM  

And, every time we have one of these stinking little police actions the Christian Aid Agencies have to settle thousands of low IQ muslims in small towns across the Nation. We do not need anymore refugees caused by our stupid wars. Place Bolton in Gitmo and save us all the expensive of wars we never win.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 14, 2019 5:05 PM  

Cernovich on Islam: "I'm very pro Islam. It's a beautiful religion". He can say a lot of good stuff, but in this topic he's out to lunch.

Blogger Gettimothy May 14, 2019 7:07 PM  

@61 "From what I understand, Trump's primary motivation is to be liked. "

That would be Bush.

A cursory reading of Trump's books, and a cursory observation of Trump as America's CEO show that Trump thinks Big, acts Big and utterly destroys and humiliates his enemies and takes a #yuge piss on theit graves then throws an exhorbitant rally celebrating his win.

the accolades are part and parcel of bein a worthy alph prime

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) May 14, 2019 7:41 PM  

@53 "What's it like to be that stupid?"

It's really awesome because no matter Trump does I know it's some 4D genius level persuasion shit that is all in furtherance of The Storm and any day now they're gonna lock her up, drain the swamp, build the wall, and make Isr- I mean America great again. Trust the plan.

Blogger J Van Stry May 14, 2019 9:01 PM  

The best way to tackle Iran is just to air drop pallets of semi-automatic rifles with ammunition all over the country.
You could just litter the areas outside the cities, the small towns and villages, coastal and border areas.

They'd have a dozen revolutions going on within a day. Tehran wouldn't have the time or resources to go bothering anyone else.

Blogger steve brown May 14, 2019 9:58 PM  

Well, after reading the first 10 or so responses I feel the need to...

First of all most of you seem to really believe that Trump is stupid. I do not.

Secondly, Trump has a right to keep at his side a hawkish point of view. He knew Bolton was of that opinion before and since appointing him.

Third, anything that would help Israel defend itself, short of all out war, is currently needed. This would include helping Israel eliminate the Iranian air and naval forces and helping the Iranian leaders to realize their hopes for a nuclear weapon are a thing of the past as they stare at bombed craters.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 14, 2019 10:19 PM  

steve brown wrote:Third, anything that would help Israel defend itself, short of all out war, is currently needed. This would include helping Israel eliminate the Iranian air and naval forces and helping the Iranian leaders to realize their hopes for a nuclear weapon are a thing of the past as they stare at bombed craters.
"Needed" by whom? In what possible way do I need to help Israel? Why are the desires, or even necessities of Israel mandatory for the US? I wouldn't spend the life of a single US soldier to save the entire nation of Israel. And their advocates in this country have certainly never showed the same concern for the Americans they parasitize.

Blogger steve brown May 14, 2019 10:30 PM  

@41 Paul M

Now who should I believe, you or oh, no, dare I even say it?, Wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Iran
ALL candidates for office and after their election are continually vetted by the Supreme Leader. Their so called democracy is a fraud.

Blogger steve brown May 15, 2019 12:37 AM  

@70 Hello Snidely, your opinion was forcefully stated. I will try to answer your questions and then offer some of my own.

"Needed" by whom? The whole world.

In what possible way do I need to help Israel? Because GOD chose to show us 4000 years of salvation history through the Israelites. Because Jesus Christ, GOD's divine Son, became man, died for our sins, and will come to judge the living and the dead.

Why are the desires, or even necessities of Israel mandatory for the US? Mandatory, of course not. Divinely inspired, yes.

The birth place of Christianity and you don't care at all? So, the world-wide Islamic jhadi against Christians, you would approve of, or at the least, you could care less about? Are you going to sit at your computer or phone and tell me that if Iran obtained a nuclear weapon, this world would be safer for it?

Blogger Unknown May 15, 2019 4:56 AM  

They aren't suckering him into anything. Trump is a zionist.

His campaign was funded by Sheldon Adelson.

He won the tree of life award way back in the 80s for Christ's sake

Blogger Stephen Davenport May 15, 2019 6:35 AM  

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 15, 2019 8:41 AM  

I always think your Boomer hatefests go too far then I read their responses about the latest military propaganda BS and come to the conclusion that the only way for the American nation to survive is to "Gas the Boomers."

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2019 10:01 AM  

"What's it like to be that stupid?"

Really nice, I'm sure, when breathing and figuring out what expression to make next are the only problems.

That being said, I suspect that was more of a farcical portrayal than a serious thought.

"Third, anything that would help Israel defend itself, short of all out war, is currently needed."

What the hell. No. Sod off, you piker.

"Why are the desires, or even necessities of Israel mandatory for the US? Mandatory, of course not. Divinely inspired, yes."

No. Christians are now God's chosen people. The promises are ours. The responsibilities are ours.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2019 10:04 AM  

"the only way for the American nation to survive is to "Gas the Boomers.""

That thing is a boomer?

....Maximum dispersion rate... ...available volume, likely half lives... ...critical concentration....

Let's get this party started. I'll bring the bleach.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 15, 2019 11:31 AM  

steve brown wrote:"Needed" by whom?
The whole world.
Now, there's an indefensible assertion.

In what possible way do I need to help Israel?
Because GOD chose to show us 4000 years of salvation history through the Israelites. Because Jesus Christ, GOD's divine Son, became man, died for our sins, and will come to judge the living and the dead.
Does not follow. Those few Israelites who did not become Christians chose to utterly reject Christ, and salvation. How will He judge those that have rejected and despise Him? He told you, if you care to look.

Why are the desires, or even necessities of Israel mandatory for the US?
Mandatory, of course not. Divinely inspired, yes.
Says who? Scripture certainly does not say so. You are substituting the tradition of men for the revealed word of God.

Are you going to sit at your computer or phone and tell me that if Iran obtained a nuclear weapon, this world would be safer for it?
Are you going to claim that the world is safer for Israel having nuclear weapons?
The whole "More Christian than Thou" schtick really doesn't fly. You're cucked down to your bones and probably don't even realize it. As Azure said, the inheritors of the covenant are Christians, not Talmudists who have utterly rejected Christ, the only way to the Father.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2019 1:53 PM  

steve brown wrote:
"Needed" by whom? The whole world.


I don't need it, so there goes your whole world theory.

steve brown wrote:
In what possible way do I need to help Israel? Because GOD chose to show us 4000 years of salvation history through the Israelites.


You are a real idiot.

God chose Abraham's descendants to be bad examples, and to let Him demonstrate forgiveness, grace and unconditional love. He chose them because they were proud, stiff necked and uniquely unfaithful. He winnowed them many times. The last winnowing was in 70AD when God ended all possibility of following the Mosaic covenant.

Today, many Christians are literal, physical descendants of Abraham, and the rest of us are grafted onto that root stock. Today, every Jew rejects his messiah: that's the defining element of their religion. Modern Israel is apostate from the God of the Patriarchs, and has no part with God and salvation.

Further, if modern Israel were actually the Israel predicted in Revelation, they wouldn't need our help.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2019 2:00 PM  

Eh, Snidely beat me to it. I should read all the comments before I replied. At Least I remembered to tell you you're an idiot, and he forgot.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 15, 2019 2:25 PM  

An additional beatdown is not out of place in this case. And you're right, I was so interested in responding to his assertions, I forgot to punch him in the 'nads.

Blogger Up from the pond May 15, 2019 2:57 PM  

Steve Browns are legion. They're called Christian Zionists. Judeo-Christians is a synonym.

Their text is the Scofield Bible, and their rallying leader is not Christ, but John Hagee.

Their political goal is to see the Middle East turn into a fireball, because that will compel Christ to come back and do what they lust for Him to do, which is confirm them as "the true Jews" for all eternity. To be the master race or chosen people is their deepest longing So they put most of their mental effort into pretending to be Jews now (True Jews), in the hopes that their "brothers" in Israel will bring in the Apocalypse soon.

This is what happens when generations of people spend their lives in isolated areas with only one book to read and have legions of children. You get millions of scripture-twisting angry lunatics. Same old sinners, though.

Blogger Clay May 15, 2019 3:36 PM  

If I was Trump, I'd pull that Carrier out of the Persian Gulf fast.

That might means some folks would think long and hard.

People forget about Diego Garcia, an unsinkable Carrier. Capable of launching everything the US has, including B-52's...not to mention nukes.

Blogger Up from the pond May 16, 2019 12:15 AM  

OT (?)

On the eve of possible war on Iran:

"Florida Legislature Delivers Anti-Semitism Law for DeSantis to Sign In Jerusalem"
https://bit.ly/2WLeLJb

This Florida state law would criminalize any campus speech that can be construed/twisted as "anti-semitic," obviously including such things as BDS and more generally objections to anything Israel does or might do.

It passed the Florida legislature unanimously.

From the story: "Sen. Annette Taddeo, D-Miami, (...) explained the concept of mitzvah, which is the Hebrew word for a moral deed as commandment of faith. 'Today we’re doing a mitzvah by passing this bill,' Taddeo said."

The debates referred to the Poway synagogue shooter several times.

People including some extreme alt-reich'ers were claiming that Gov. DeSantis would never, ever sign this bill into law. Now we learn that he's scheduled to be presented with it to sign in a formal cabinet meeting at the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem. He will not refuse to sign it in that setting.

Many people are now claiming that the law will never, ever survive a challenge in the courts including the U.S. Supreme Court. They discount the fact that three of the SCOTUS judges are Jews and the others are Zionists.

I know the First Amendment isn't a popular amendment on this board, because of pornography and criticism of Christians. But I thought its imminent demise- and who is giving the order to murder it and why- might be of interest to students of American history. Some Jews did it because they believe shutting down speech by law will correct the thinking of young people and thereby ensure the own safety in supporting or committing depredations at home and abroad.

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