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Thursday, May 30, 2019

The terminal phase

The decline and eventual collapse of the United States is rapidly becoming apparent to more and more observers:
The United States has entered its terminal phase and most of its citizens are as blithely unaware of this reality as they were of the impending dissolution of the Soviet system in the late 1980’s. On the surface each one projects its hegemony and influence far beyond their limitations through a combination of propaganda and threats. Both systems were thoroughly corrupted, perhaps from their inception, but certainly and absolutely as they neared their nadir, yet both systems affected a nonchalance that soon- very soon, every knee would bend before their majesty and morally superior aspirations.

For the USSR it was based upon the trite concept that everyone should share equally of the labors of others when no such possibility ever existed during mankind’s reign over the Earth. In America it was the equally vapid and hollow claim that all men are created equal when no such thing had ever been so at any time, nor could it ever be possible. To base an entire national mythos on pure sophistry is a guarantee of failure and yet their remains an eternal optimism rooted in these fanciful phrases that distorted and diffused before our eyes.

The elites always managed somehow, regardless of the system and its ideals, to rise above equality and find a toehold in a neo-aristocracy, where rather than blood-ties, loyalties were developed in the institutions and secret societies; Ivy League universities, Intelligence agencies, International banking cartels, Media conglomerates and Corporate boardrooms. The differences between the Politburo under Gorbachev and the current Congress are more noticeable in attire and decor rather than in behavior and outcomes.

In America today here is a complete symbiosis between the organs of information- the MSM- and the political parties and their apparatchiks, and it is used solely for the control of the populations and the promotion of The Narrative rather than as a means of explaining the events of the day. Much in the same way that the Soviet Union new organizations Pravda (Truth) and Izvestia (News) were able to control information to such a degree that the people of the USSR joked that “there is no truth in Pravda and no news in Izvestia”, the current state of media in America is summed up in the equally derogatory slur. “Fake News”.

The populations are keenly aware that they are being misled, but are powerless - in their minds - to do anything about it. The problem of course isn’t that the populations fail to believe the lies, but that the elites of both systems have chosen falsehoods as their basic premise for rule. Any system predicated upon falsehoods cannot survive the exposure of those lies when reality comes knocking.
The cucks and cons are doubling down on their virtue-signaling and attacking the defenders of civilization in the vain hopes that the barbarians they have championed will barbecue them last while in the meantime the very ground beneath their feet is beginning to crumble.

They believed, wrongly, that civilization is an abstraction. They foolishly mistook Thomas Jefferson's meaningless, high-flying political rhetoric for material reality and placed their faith in it. And in their sanctimonious refusal to defend civilization, they are very nearly as much to blame as the progressives who have been actively attempting to tear it down.

Every society comes to an end in time. And that end usually comes as a complete surprise to most of its inhabitants.

UPDATE: Oh sweet overturned statues of Thomas Jefferson...
I’m not a liberal conservative, but if we’re going to prevail it will be with David French and men like him.
Then you're not going to prevail. Period.

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120 Comments:

Blogger Jeroth May 30, 2019 12:35 PM  

Speaking of cucks doubling down.

I’m not a liberal conservative, but if we’re going to prevail it will be with David French and men like him.

Blogger Mister Excitement May 30, 2019 12:41 PM  

Excellent content, Vox.

You're so right about the CivNat Cuckservatives.

Reading their comments on message boards and social media is like examining the ramblings on a mental patient.

Just one example:

Yesterday on Twitter, a Baby Boomer Conservative woman who's lived her entire life in rural Iowa was blasting a lot of the Alt Right guys as "racists" and "bigots."

It's infuriating for white Americans who've lived their entire lives exposed to the chaos and dysfunction of Blacks to be smeared by our own people who've had the luxury of living in a 1950s style America.

Blogger Vulgar_Display May 30, 2019 12:51 PM  

Yep.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid May 30, 2019 12:55 PM  

Have faith, brothers and sisters in Christ, and prepare for things to come. Get out of the cities, raise children and become as self sufficient as possible. When the dirt settles and blood dries, we can build something far better. Christ is risen!

Blogger Martin Marprelate May 30, 2019 1:01 PM  

The faster the collapse comes the better it will be for us all. Maybe the Ayatollah was right in a way when he said the US was the great Satan

Anonymous Anonymous May 30, 2019 1:12 PM  

And of course this Michael Brendan Dougherty is a foreigner LARPing as an American. Yet another counterexample for those who are happy to welcome "white" foreigners and their descendants.

Blogger PolitiCrump May 30, 2019 1:13 PM  

@5
The sad fact is contemporary American culture is post-national and no longer guided by Christian morality. When the Ayatollah calls the US the great Satan, it has nothing to do with "hating our freedoms" as the neocons would have you believe, but he, and traditional middle easterners rightfully distain modern western culture which actively exports sexual degeneracy, corporate domination, and satanic music/fashion.

Blogger dienw May 30, 2019 1:18 PM  

This nation was founded as a Christian nation; unfortunately, just as the 40K Judahites came back from Babylon with 8K Babylonians and the Talmud; so did the Christians come with a similarly poisonous set of Babylonians: the nation has become a thoroughly heathen people ruled by two sets of Babylonians: Jesuits and Talmudists. I doubt that even 90% of "Christians" even know what the gospel is.

Blogger LZ May 30, 2019 1:18 PM  

That David French article is in response to a First Things essay y'all would enjoy.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 30, 2019 1:25 PM  

It remains astonishing that people think Thomas Jefferson was anything but a rationalizer and rhetorician/propagandist. I think the Declaration of Independence deluded almost as many people as did Das Kapital. In fact, one could cite the D-of-I as the inspiration for today's Equalist Cult Displacement Immigration as much as Das Kapital inspired Stalin's and Mao's collectivization-slaughter of tens of millions.

The USSR ran for 70 years beyond Mises' irrefutable proof that its economic system was literally a prescription for ruin. The USA's system has existed for 38 years now, its "growth" entirely a figment of imagination based on compound growth in borrowing...AKA a machine that takes in savings capital, burns it and issues IOU's for future cash flows in return. In America today, literally everything financial other than the cash in your wallet is simply an IOU.

In 1995 I'd never have imagined things could last this long, so there's no answer to the question, "How high is up?" But one can logically deduce that eventually no quantity of mass-self-delusion will allow continued adherence to the idea that All's Well and Sustainable. The USA launched a bull run in 1974/1982. It turned into an asset mania in 1995. After a sideways pause from early 2000 to March of 2009 that mania launched an unprecedented mania-within-a-mania and here we are, in percentage terms a short stroll to James K. Glassman's Down 36,000 published near the top in 1999 of the first manic surge.

If the failure of the USSR was fast, imagine how much faster will be ours.

It's of academic interest that the last two huge stock market runs were tiny in points but vastly larger in percentage terms (1937-1965 and 1974-2000) compared to our current 10 year romp higher. Perhaps this hints at this being the last run up within a larger almost-80-year rally.

Blogger Adam Meek May 30, 2019 1:25 PM  

I suspect future historians will date the collapse of the United States to 9/11, if not earlier.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 30, 2019 1:34 PM  

I’m not a liberal conservative, but if we’re going to prevail it will be with David French and men like him.

David French, says he no longer considers himself a Republican.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 30, 2019 1:46 PM  

"Any system predicated upon falsehoods cannot survive the exposure of those lies when reality comes knocking"

We have the wind on our side. That's all we need!

Blogger Didas Kalos May 30, 2019 1:47 PM  

Rumor is "David French no longer consideres himself an American."

Blogger OGRE May 30, 2019 1:49 PM  

The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. - GK Chesterton

Blogger S1AL May 30, 2019 1:56 PM  

"David French, says he no longer considers himself a Republican."

That's fine - nobody else does.

Blogger Balkan Yankee May 30, 2019 1:57 PM  

The United States collapsed in the 1860s.

And again in the 1930s.

If it has happened before, and it has, then it is only a matter of time before it happens again.

And it will come as a shock, even to those who anticipated it.

Blogger Lovekraft May 30, 2019 2:03 PM  

I am sure many think about the underlying motive in the cabals and other nefarious actors and bloodlust comes to mind. Basically, the spreading deathcult has monitors and co-ordination that sense the agitation and lusts of its adherents and releases one type of physical/psychological to satisfy.

The article states "It would be impossible to predict exactly what set of circumstance will lead us to our own moment of complete and undeniable political collapse."

Right now there is a bleeding off, to satisfy a moon god. This cannot be ignored as it contributes to the vulnerability of the nation/society in question. If the people are resilient enough to withstand this so that the bloodlust mentioned above is the 'kicker', then the response could be in our favor and a possible solution to a centuries-old millstone would be in sight.

Blogger David Ray Milton May 30, 2019 2:21 PM  

Equality is the common denominator. Equality is the problem.

Blogger Angantyr May 30, 2019 2:21 PM  

@10. dc.sunsets

"In America today, literally everything financial other than the cash in your wallet is simply an IOU."

Technically, assuming the "cash in your wallet" is a Federal Reserve Note, that, too, is an IOU... At this point, pretty much only land (which is assessed property tax), gold & silver, guns & ammo, and stored food/supplies, can be considered something other than an IOU.

Blogger SciVo May 30, 2019 2:22 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:David French, says he no longer considers himself a Republican.

See, when you say that what I hear is, "David French has finally admitted that he's no longer fooling anyone."

Blogger Noraekard May 30, 2019 2:24 PM  

Much earlier. The United States collapsed after the North won the civil war, at least ideologically. Everything since then has simply been a slow rot. We were only running on the fumes of past ideals.
The 60s will be seen as the tipping point of the fundamental conflict that arose, though not fully resolved, during the Civil War.

Blogger Lovekraft May 30, 2019 2:26 PM  

It's important to add, for the cackles-raised monitors of this blog, that, even though the above post displays hostile motives, this was only for the purpose of replying to the linked article (which is stellar).

Put in another context in which rational parties are at the table, my message turns from 'anti-thisorthat' to what I demand for mine. This is a genuine starting point, and anyone who considers the initial post to be the end of discussion, have proven their illegitimacy and bad-faith.

In a collapse, there is not as much focus on what others want as what I require.

Blogger LZ May 30, 2019 2:47 PM  

AGAINST DAVID FRENCH-ISM

"Mutatis mutandis, David French-ism. Forced to reckon with the fact that autonomy unbound hasn’t yielded freedom but new and insidious forms of digital tyranny, French treats as a nonstarter conservative proposals to intervene (“I oppose government efforts to regulate social-media speech policies”). Instead, he urges essentially a cultural solution. Silicon Valley should voluntarily adopt First Amendment norms, per French, and I wish him good luck persuading our programmer-kings to go along."

The article concludes: "Conservatives should approach the culture war with a similar realism. Civility and decency are secondary values. They regulate compliance with an established order and orthodoxy. We should seek to use these values to enforce our order and our orthodoxy, not pretend that they could ever be neutral. To recognize that enmity is real is its own kind of moral duty."

Deus Vult.

Blogger FP May 30, 2019 2:48 PM  

"Sorry I can’t imagine thinking that these pretend Twitter are more valuable than French’s actual legal work."

Hah, a paper American NRO stooge defending another NRO stooge and cuck. Frenchie has done important legal work, bow down before his greatness.

Blogger Alphaeus May 30, 2019 3:00 PM  

"David French, says he no longer considers himself a Republican."

I voted for the Libertarian Party and then the Constitution Party for so long that I had to admit to my self that I could no longer considered my self a Republican. Then I voted for Donald Trump. What does it all mean? I dunno, except, David French is worthless for any good work and we are better off without him than with him. He is no Charles The Hammer Martel, that's for sure. David the Fuzzy Squish Ball, maybe.

Blogger RA May 30, 2019 3:03 PM  

@23 "In a collapse, there is not as much focus on what others want as what I require."

In more brutal terms: when things fall apart and the center cannot hold, the elite will fracture and it becomes every man for himself. Think what that means on a practical level.

Not a day I look forward to. But I would be remiss if I didn't try to prepare for it.

There are different levels of collapse and it's fair question how far we fall. Do we fall as the Romans did? Or do we fall as the USSR did? Both supranational entities broke up and then some, as we expect with the USA. But how far down the hole are we going to go?

Blogger tublecane May 30, 2019 3:11 PM  

"if we're going to prevail it will be with David French"

At first blush this comes off as absurd. However, if I guess at who the "we" might be that would prevail with David French, it's theoretically possible such a group exists. You know, the "intelligence community" using him as part of some sort of confidence game. In which case "we" is the Alien Vampire Lizard People Conspiracy.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 30, 2019 3:19 PM  

@20 Angantyr, you're right on a technical basis, but on a daily-activity basis everything (including gold, guns and ammo) are denominated in those "I Owe You Nothing" Federal Reserve Notes. I guess it's part of today's confusion, that we really don't know WTF money even is anymore. It used to be a commodity store of value, but what "commodity" is a green-ink stained piece of cotton-based paper? The assumption is that it rests on the ability of the Federal Government to collect taxes (Yeah, I know that the Fed isn't part of the gov't) but our "money" has become such a floating abstraction that I'm not sure anyone really has a solid notion of things any more.
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Dating the beginning of the end of the USA is difficult, but noting the acceleration phases of the decline is great sport: Lincoln's embrace of Progressivism's Onward Christian Soldiers, 1913 was a really bad year, the mid-1960's(removal of silver from coinage, free-floating the dollar as an abstraction, Hart-Celler, the (un)Civil Rights Act's utter destruction of the First Amendment, the GCA of 1968), or pretty much everything since Reagan's Amnesty bargain (for which we citizens got the shaft.)

Yet my life is quite comfortable. Most of us live far better than did King Louis XIV. Everything is relative.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel May 30, 2019 3:22 PM  

French, like Ben Shapiro is a graduate of the miasma of Hahvahd Law School, who thinks Kristol promoting him as a potential POTUS candidate is grounded in reality.


Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel May 30, 2019 3:26 PM  

@20

Since the Fed Reserve note in your pocket is only redeemable to another Fed Reserve note, it's not even an IOU. It is actually a transferable, no yield perpetiuty.

Blogger joc May 30, 2019 3:36 PM  

It's hard to take seriously an article which uses as it's core tenet a complete mischaracterization of the phrase "all men are created equal".

Equal under the law should not be confused with equal ability or equal intelligence. To conflate the two ideas is sophomoric.

We may indeed be in the 'Terminal Phase' but if we are it isn't because of the concept 'all men are created equal'.

Blogger LES May 30, 2019 3:43 PM  

"Only, the libertines take the logic of maximal autonomy—the one French shares—to its logical terminus. They say, in effect: For us to feel fully autonomous, you must positively affirm our sexual choices, our transgression, our power to disfigure our natural bodies and redefine what it means to be human, lest your disapprobation make us feel less than fully autonomous."

Against David French-ism

Blogger By My Greybeard! May 30, 2019 3:47 PM  

Vox,
You stated:
> They foolishly mistook Thomas
Jefferson's meaningless, high-flying political rhetoric for material reality and placed their faith in it.

I don't understand why you state Jefferson's rhetoric is meaningless.

As a young boy, I asked my dad basically this same question during a family lesson on Revolutionary War era history.

He answered that most people gloss over the sentence, saying it's simply a pretty turn of phrade and meaningless. Some people, who haven't assumed Jefferson wasted a sentence in such a compactly written document, have puzzled over the obvious contradiction the sentence embodies.

Eventually almost everyone ends up taking it literally and disregarding what seems obvious: Jefferson was speaking about a soul's worth, at creation, in the Sight of God.

Over the decades I've found that Dad was correct about people. Almost everyone takes the sentence literally.

I would like to learn what's caused you to decide Jefferson meant it in a literal, rather than figurative, way.

Obviously Jefferson could have meant “equal” in a literal way. The indicator that he was not is in the list of abuses he iterates preceding that key sentence.

All the abuses, though possessing a physical component, vary hugely in the impact of the physical component of the abuse. However, all are *moral affronts* of roughly the same caliber and nature! To me, he's speaking about non-tangibles.

Thank you, in advance for any answer you might supply.

~ BmG

Blogger KG May 30, 2019 4:04 PM  

There’s not going to be a giant civil war bloodbath, even the end of Rome fell into Balkanization rather than Mad Max style post apocalypse. The US will segregate, and no longer be the United States but rather a variety of separate stares. Technology won’t go backwards, it never has and never will. This isn’t the rapture so stop blackpilling, the end of the US empire will be as the end of the British empire or the Roman one. It’s a slow contraction, not an overnight gore fest. The British retracted their navy and shifted back within their own borders. The romans moved to villas and feudalism. Which was more akin to the original Italic tribes’ city states than the foreign empire they grew into. The Americans will likely follow suit, and return to the loosely allied regional states that share a language, but distinct in their cultures and economies. White pill for the day, electricity and plumbing won’t disappear, but amazon and Netflix certainly will. Have a strong family, be part of a church. You’ll do just fine.

Blogger VD May 30, 2019 4:08 PM  

Jefferson was speaking about a soul's worth, at creation, in the Sight of God.

No, he wasn't. Furthermore, that statement is intrinsically non-Christian.

I would like to learn what's caused you to decide Jefferson meant it in a literal, rather than figurative, way.

You have our positions reversed. You are the one who is claiming he meant it literally in a limited context. I am claiming that it was merely a figurative statement intended to manipulate emotions.

Blogger Tanjil Bren May 30, 2019 4:27 PM  

"Every society comes to an end in time. And that end usually comes as a complete surprise to most of its inhabitants."

This. And their reactions astonish me whenever I assert same. Whatever the context, whether it be economies, empires, or modern society itself, they just laugh at the silly doomsayer (though this has stated happening a lot less of late; it seems that something is in the air).

Humans have an innate capacity to reduce history to year zero on a dime.

Blogger VD May 30, 2019 4:34 PM  

Technology won’t go backwards, it never has and never will.

You clearly know nothing about history.

electricity and plumbing won’t disappear

It won't disappear everywhere, but they will certainly disappear for the average individual in certain post-USA polities.

Blogger tublecane May 30, 2019 5:14 PM  

@10- He was more than that, however. An actual statesman and politician, diplomat, planter, inventor, and let's say tinkerer in thought. It would be difficult in the extreme to blame the Egalitarian Cult of anything on the Declaration of Independence in particular. Or even that small portion of the Declaration mentioning equality lifted out of context. Because that was merely an encapsulation of a line of philosophy popular at the time.

The document as a whole was a piece of political persuasion intended to serve a particular political purpose. You can't even say of it what You can say of the Federalist Papers, which is that whatever their immediate purpose they contain extended justifications of our Constitutional form of government. The Declaration wasn't even written by Jefferson alone, like individual Federalist essays, but by committee.

You might say the same of Das Kapital on economics, but there is a clear line of intellectual and political line of descent from Marx to more recent horrors. Jefferson was only part of what might be termed the Jacobin spirit. Which persists in some form amongst neocons, for instance. But that's an arbitrary grouping across centuries because of perceived spiritual affinity. Marx is something else.

Unless Jefferson was part of the Illuminati or something. Which I wouldn't know.

Blogger Tanjil Bren May 30, 2019 5:24 PM  

"plumbing won’t disappear"

On a recent trip to Sri Lanka, which was the beneficiary of several centuries of British colonial rule (gifting it railroads, European-style sanitation, and a tea industry, which is an economic mainstay to this day), it didn't take long to notice that they *still* haven't 'got' s-bend airlocks (open sewers offer an unmistakable ambiance, especially when taking a shower).

Vox's common reference to the loss of indoor plumbing is spectacularly apposite.

Blogger BastionHarm May 30, 2019 5:33 PM  

KG wrote:White pill for the day, electricity and plumbing won’t disappear, but amazon and Netflix certainly will. Have a strong family, be part of a church. You’ll do just fine.

Electricity and plumbing are luxuries enjoyed by the few, not the many, in most Third World nations on the face of our planet...today.

I don't expect that large parts of Post-America will have anything approaching First or Second-World living standards.

I do agree with you, OTOH, about the need for strong families and being part of a Church.

Blogger p-dawg May 30, 2019 5:43 PM  

"Technology won’t go backwards, it never has and never will."

Never? That's quite a strong (ly ignorant) statement. One example: we can no longer go to the moon. Why? We have "lost" the technology.

Blogger KG May 30, 2019 5:43 PM  

Technology has become limited, but never reversed. The dark ages weren’t dark, they were depopulated and skill sets were lost. Technology remained ever-improving, but at a slower rate and limited to certain regions.

I’m not implying status quo regardless of consequences. History proves my point. You yourself are living in the evidence of it, as you reside simultaneously in my people’s (Italy) past ruins and my people’s current first world modernity. The plumbing and technology never disappeared.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2019 5:44 PM  

By My Greybeard! wrote:Jefferson was speaking about a soul's worth, at creation, in the Sight of God.
What Jefferson was talking about was not any form of equality, including that of the soul or that of personal dignity. What he was saying was that the new government was abolishing hereditary aristocracy in all it's forms.

Blogger KG May 30, 2019 5:55 PM  

They aren’t white though, are they?

Blogger Meng Greenleaf May 30, 2019 6:04 PM  

I was emailing a cucked friend of mine who moved from the mid-West to CA. He has two daughters, works in biotech, has a PhD in CHM, used to work at Stanford. I only mention this as he is otherwise intelligent. Incidentally, he's a classic example of: My wife wears the pants in our family - embarrassing so, but otherwise just a nice guy. He probably makes close to a quarter of a million a year. In his mind, he's poor. He needs UBI - to get by. Maybe he does? Of course he moved to a wealthy White-Asian demographic outside the Bay Area (to mirror his family structure) but in his mind he lives in the Land of Unicorns where he's (seemingly) 200% SJW. It's obviously just a coincidence he doesn't live near or have any contact with the hard-knocks diversity he champions.
I asked if he'd be happy if one of his daughters decided she was going to marry a conservative Somalian and move to Africa to practice Islam (I know, a ridiculous scenario and I shouldn't have wasted his and my time). Of course he said: Yes! He'd 100% support her (as long as he spoke to her beforehand).
Is this insane? Am I insane? Am I wasting my breath / keystrokes? Is this cultural? Californian? Genetic? Dysgenic? All of the above? I just don't know what to think about this. Is he so worried he'll freeze to death over there in CA? Why do I care so much? I don't know, it's a frustration and I aim to get over it and wait for the indoor plumbing to end. I said my piece, and if not already, saying anything more is counter productive. I'll just have to live with this sense of frustration and vote accordingly.

Blogger S1AL May 30, 2019 6:05 PM  

"What Jefferson was talking about was not any form of equality, including that of the soul or that of personal dignity. What he was saying was that the new government was abolishing hereditary aristocracy in all it's forms."

Bingo.

Also, there's a significant element re: slavery that Jefferson *wanted* to put in, but which found inadequate support. Keep in mind that he despised the institution.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2019 6:06 PM  

p-dawg wrote:"Technology won’t go backwards, it never has and never will."

Never? That's quite a strong (ly ignorant) statement. One example: we can no longer go to the moon. Why? We have "lost" the technology.

This is a false claim that is often repeated. What the original statement said was that we don't know how to build a Saturn V rocket. The jigs, templates, and tools, as well as the skilled craftsmen and engineers who worked on the project are all gone. We know exactly how to get to the moon. It would just require a large amount of money to design a new, modern rocket to replace the Saturn V. Which, BTW, SpaceX Blue Origin and Orbital Services are all investing huge amounts of money in.

Technology as a whole though, has frequently gone backwards. Concrete was lost to Europe after the fall of Rome. After 10,000 years of practice, England forgot how to make pottery in the 6th and 7th centuries. At some point the Aborigines lost the technology of sewing during a civilizational collapse about 5,000 years ago. Sewing is about as simple a tech as has ever been devised, but starving people without the time even to make clothes didn't remember to teach it to their children.
We're already forgetting how to read.

Blogger Nate May 30, 2019 6:13 PM  

hey mister excitement.. ya dumbass.. you dont have to live in a shithole city son. move. moron.

Blogger KG May 30, 2019 6:17 PM  

You’re claiming technologies invented by other people “disappeared”, when in fact those people retained them and a new people that didn’t invent them in the first place failed to replicate them. In the Sri Lankan plumbing example, the Sri Lankan’s didn’t invent or build that plumbing, the British empire did. So once the empire retracted back to Britain, the plumbing went with it. But that doesn’t mean the plumbing technology disappeared. Did the balkans lose all tech after Yugoslavia fell? Did Italy lose all tech after Rome fell? Nope.

Blogger RC May 30, 2019 6:20 PM  

@KG - You've been around here long enough to know better than to make such broad, falsifiable statements. How about the cure for scurvy being lost and rediscovered repeatedly? I'll be waiting to read your narrow definition of technology.

Blogger VD May 30, 2019 6:31 PM  

You’re claiming technologies invented by other people “disappeared”, when in fact those people retained them and a new people that didn’t invent them in the first place failed to replicate them.

Save your idiotic pedantry for those dumb enough to take it seriously. The point is that many, perhaps even most people living in the post-USA will not have regular access to the technologies they take for granted today.

If you want to be pedantic in order to be able to claim you are correct at all times, go play secret king someplace else.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2019 6:38 PM  

@KG
Pottery. Completely lost to the British for about 250 years. The Romans destroyed the native pottery industry, through cheap imports from France and Italy. The civilizational collapse which followed the withdrawal of the legions, and the incessant civil wars and barbarian invasions from Scotland, Ireland and especially Trans-Danubian Europe further collapsed the economic ability of the English to support even a simple village pot maker. It was only after the establishment of the Anglo-Saxon fiefdoms in the 7th century that potters could be imported from France to re-establish the craft, and the industry.

Blogger Gettimothy May 30, 2019 6:46 PM  

Sundance at CTH has a perspective, that if correct, should protect us from the globalist scumbags


In a nutshell Trump is reorienting America's economy along real capital lines vs the vaporware financialusts* who have expropriated our real wealth for (((promises)))


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/30/maganomics-despite-tariffs-and-growing-economy-inflation-nonexistent-economists-and-financial-class-perplexed/#more-164406




*mis-typed, but very appropriate

Blogger Nate May 30, 2019 7:00 PM  

we cant go to the moon because we have never gone to the moon before.

Blogger The Lab Manager May 30, 2019 7:04 PM  

A lot of this infrastructure kind of depends upon us having an economy generating some way of paying for it. I can imagine at some point your average water or sewer worker or other people who keep things running will have their income killed by inflation where it won't even make sense to show up to work.

Blogger Balam May 30, 2019 7:11 PM  

KG wrote:You’re claiming technologies invented by other people “disappeared”, when in fact those people retained them and a new people that didn’t invent them in the first place failed to replicate them. In the Sri Lankan plumbing example, the Sri Lankan’s didn’t invent or build that plumbing, the British empire did. So once the empire retracted back to Britain, the plumbing went with it. But that doesn’t mean the plumbing technology disappeared. Did the balkans lose all tech after Yugoslavia fell? Did Italy lose all tech after Rome fell? Nope.


Just off the top of my head
-Roman concrete (already mentioned). The modern scientific community only recently 'discovered' how the romans made super tough volcanic ash concrete as well as concrete that would set in seawater.
-Damascus steel. Completely unknown how to make it, the wikipedia on it suggests the people of yesteryear somehow figured out how to use plant matter to create nanotubes in the metal.
-There's stories about 'unbreakable glass' that a roman knew how to make that was, even it its own time, lost.
-There's a reported 'Solid Fog' substance that was used in the original Manhattan Project that cannot be recreated.
-Greek fire: Even today the 'modern scientific community' doesn't know what the substance was that would ignite on contact with water for use in naval warfare.

Poof. Gone. Vanished.
There's also a surviorship bias to your knowledge of technology - how do you know something's been lost if it went down with an entire civilization? Supposedly, and it's all speculative, the American Indians knew how to tend permaculture biomes but that was lost at some point when the tribes descended into a more barbarous state long before they met the white man. We're only recently popularizing permaculture gardening again. If the technology vanished why would you know about it? Just stories, if even those survived.

Blogger KG May 30, 2019 7:14 PM  

Precisely

Blogger KG May 30, 2019 7:27 PM  

Yes, everyone and anyone that disagrees with you is pedantic and playing secret king and needs to go play elsewhere. Sure guy.

Maybe while you’re responding to reasonable opinion comments with insults, assuming anyone that disagrees is a gamma fag trying to be a smart boy, and making nationalism claims while living in my nation instead of your own, you’ll notice you ran away from your nation to play secret king of a gay blog that just reposts drudge articles.

Was a long time reader/viewer, but I won’t bother your blackpilling gamma rage with my presence any longer. Sorry.

Matthew 7:16

Blogger pyrrhus May 30, 2019 7:28 PM  

As to technology being lost, it has frequently occurred...The Arabs had the wheel and lost it...The Roman's had Hero's steam engine, never exploited it, and it was lost for 2000 years..Japan has not fully regained the technology for making the best Samurai swords, nor are there any more Stradivarius violins..In the Middle Ages, all manner of technologies invented by the Romans to providee hot water baths and running water disappeared...

Blogger pyrrhus May 30, 2019 7:31 PM  

Hard Scrabble Farmer, the author of the article, was once a standup comedian who left the profession to work a farm in New Hampshire and mentor his kids and other youngsters in the process of doing so...

Blogger scipioafricanus May 30, 2019 7:41 PM  

I work in a service industry and most of my customers are black. I don't see any post USA culture run by them having indoor plumbing or electricity. As a matter of fact, when they receive on average a $5,000 dollar wealth transfer per individual from whitey, I don't see much of a future for them in the Midwestern post-USA at all.

Blogger papabear May 30, 2019 7:41 PM  

#46 I assume you live far from him so why do you still keep in contact? Do you think one day he'll change his mind?

Blogger Johnny May 30, 2019 8:03 PM  

>>Technology as a whole though, has frequently gone backwards. Concrete was lost to Europe after the fall of Rome.

Just for the record we are not entirely sure how the Romans made their concrete. Modern concrete is somewhat different, so apparently it was reinvented rather than copied from the past.

Blogger Unknown May 30, 2019 8:04 PM  

When South Africa was handed over to the blacks I remember thinking well, in 5 years they will have trouble keeping the lights on. 30 years on and they're still muddling along.

Blogger Unknown May 30, 2019 8:06 PM  

In the case the USA, as long as the missiles and nuclear weapons are kept functional we will remain some sort of weird superpower.

Blogger tublecane May 30, 2019 8:13 PM  

Techniques in the fine arts can be lost, as well. Modern and postmodern artists act like they're doing it on purpose, but almost none of them could paint like Raphael if they wanted. That's because you have to learn how over a long period of apprenticeship to a master.

When impressionists took over institutional painting instruction, they dropped the "academic" style. Future generations wouldn't know how to reproduce the work of a Gerome but for private instruction in atelier.

So the techniques live on, but they could easily have died. And for most of the world of putatively high art, they have.

Blogger xevious2030 May 30, 2019 8:18 PM  

@KG Did you bother to even read your own metric? "Limited to certain regions."

Blogger James Dixon May 30, 2019 8:19 PM  

> Do we fall as the Romans did?

If so, as long as we can create the equivalent of the Byzantine empire we'll be fine.

> Equal under the law should not be confused with equal ability or equal intelligence.

And we don't do so. But everyone else does. Go tell them and quit wasting our time.

> I would like to learn what's caused you to decide Jefferson meant it in a literal, rather than figurative, way.

What part of "high-flying political rhetoric" is giving you problems again?

> There’s not going to be a giant civil war bloodbath

Roughly 2% of the population died last time, without nukes. 2% of 330M = 6.6M. That sounds pretty bloody to me.

> Technology won’t go backwards, it never has and never will.

It can and it does. As Vox says, you're completely wrong.

> Technology has become limited, but never reversed.

Technologies have been completely lost and not rediscovered for hundreds, perhaps even thousands of years. Others have given examples.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 30, 2019 8:43 PM  

I'm really glad to see discussions of technology get into this thread. It's almost a fun mind game trying to think of that which could be retained, that which has in past collapses, plus the logistic, social, and environmental factors involve. I can do this all day.


One of my favorite science fiction novels is one by A.E van Vogt called "The Wizard of Linn". This topic gets addressed to a certain degree. Look at this part of the description of the plot:
"An alien starship has entered the solar system sometime in the Sixth Century of the Thirteenth Millennium A. D. The ship appears to belong to the Riss, an alien race who had come to Sol millennia ago and destroyed the thriving human civilization. Now the descendants of the survivors, living in a medieval society with spaceships, must face the threat again. One of those is Jerrin, Lord Advisor of the Linnan Empire. Jerrin is annoyed that his brother, the mutant atom priest Clane, knew about the Riss incursion before he did and is more annoyed when Clane recommends an attack on the Riss ship, one that is guaranteed to fail."

They capture that ship and end up finding other human civilizations that were also crushed, but survived. They didn't have space ships, but they had other long forgotten technologies.

The point being this: we can't tell what would be forgotten and what would be retained, but that which is easy to retain and "just known" will still persist and seem almost natural. I think at this point composting and crop rotation are not going away and we won't be sacrificing virgins for good crops again.
Though admittedly for a while a virgin would be impossible to find.

There is also a tendency to think that everything we had showed up in our era. It hasn't. Metallurgy is king here. The ballpoint pen was invented centuries ago, but you try making a tiny little metal ball in say 1500. The jet engine existed in concept for roughly a century before the Germans put one in the air. The key is material science. Yes we know how to use the Bernoulli effect, but could not do it without materials that were light and strong enough.

One thing I like to ponder about is how much "civilization" would be lost and if could even call it civilized. I refer to computers. I predict that if we fall to ooga booga warlordism, old electronics will be gathered up and crushed, then soaked in acid to extract the gold. But considering what I see on the internet, and old dusty copy of Tolkien's works will still be more valuable than 100 billion Instagram posts.

And I don't expect that "monks" of the future who power up the old unearthed hard drives are going to bother to save those images and texts by your typical Reddit poster. They are going to be looking for SPICE programs, computer source code with algorithms, and any and all GCode and Gerber files of the lost civilization. All those selfies are best left to the bit bucket.

If I had to escape earth for some reason and could only take a few books, I would take Tolkien's work, the Greek Concordant bible, and the biggest textbook on metallurgy I could carry.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 30, 2019 8:55 PM  

Technology won’t go backwards, it never has and never will.

Check out a video called "Preventing the Collapse of Civilization" by Jonathan Blow. His main topic is the concern that we could lose the ability to support modern computer technology because it has so many complex layers and some of them have a pretty small number of people who really understand them, but he also pulls up some examples from antiquity of technology that was lost.

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 30, 2019 9:02 PM  

Upper Volta with rockets.

Blogger xevious2030 May 30, 2019 9:14 PM  

Favorite of mine, the Antikythera mechanism.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 30, 2019 9:27 PM  

Dreher commented on the latest anti-white rhetoric and he sort of gets it, his commenters absolutely clueless.

Blogger James Dixon May 30, 2019 9:28 PM  

For those looking for simple technologies which can survive a collapse, I'd recommend you look at the Foxfire Book series: https://www.foxfire.org/shop/the-foxfire-book-series/

Blogger ZhukovG May 30, 2019 9:30 PM  

Wow Vox, if you weren't busy with a hundred other things you could take your 'Spot the Gamma' show on the road.

I think KG has been around for awhile. But, based on what passed for his 'parting shot', I don't think he's paid any attention at all.

Blogger Damn the torpedos May 30, 2019 9:37 PM  

Isn’t this the guy that got trolled into oblivion when he adopted a kid from Africa or something?

Blogger sammibandit May 30, 2019 10:11 PM  

Scythian goldwork is something that took a very, very long time to replicate. Their level of detail is just... words escape me. Pure logos.Great example using metallurgy, Herr Doktor.

Here's one of my fave pieces. Look at the hooves on the mare it's not even stylized! They got the chestnut which is the knob of bone on the inside of the ankle. Modern artists often miss this feature,

>http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/picturedisplay.asp?linkpath=pic%5CS%5CC%5CScythian%20gold%20pectoral%20Tovsta%20Mohyla%20(detail%204).jpg&page=pages%5CS%5CC%5CScythianart.htm&id=13557&pid=6067&tyt=Scythian%20art&key=Scythian+art

Another example is how there are more complex stone tools in Africa from 200,000 BC around Lake Victoria than there are in more recent archaeological layers. Heck, the homo habilis hand axe is still used in some places. It's like the Bantus got all the innovators and retarded everyone else.

An obvious example to the untrained eye is crappy stonework built on top of megalithic stonework. And can anyone duplicate Petra? No.

Blogger sammibandit May 30, 2019 10:14 PM  

Women aren't taught to cook anymore unless they decide as girls to go vegetarian and teach themselves. Jeez guys! I thought that was an obvious example. Hope I'm not coming off too silly but maybe it's a missed example as no men here have that issue with their womenfolk?

Blogger ZhukovG May 30, 2019 10:17 PM  

@Damn the torpedos: I believe you are correct.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2019 10:26 PM  

Damascus steel is a commonly understood technology. It's not easy, but any blacksmith can make Damascus steel. I have myself, and I'm far from a master.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2019 10:31 PM  

@sammibandit
that's a beautiful piece.

Blogger Mystic On Main May 30, 2019 11:18 PM  

" In America it was the equally vapid and hollow claim that all men are created equal when no such thing had ever been so at any time, nor could it ever be possible."

This is presented as though Jefferson meant to suggest that all mean are equally capable. That of course is not what meant.

Jefferson meant that all men are political equals to the extent that no man by birth is justified to rule over others. He also meant that all men are equal in God's eyes. Jefferson's was not an equity statement, not a statement that all men deserve equality of outcome.

Blogger Balam May 30, 2019 11:20 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Damascus steel is a commonly understood technology. It's not easy, but any blacksmith can make Damascus steel. I have myself, and I'm far from a master.

I'm uneducated in the field but the headline "Reproduction" in the wiki suggests that the modern Damascus Steel is not the same as the old stuff. Apparently the big difference is in the wootz steel used which is similarly mysterious.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Damascus_steel#Reproduction

"Since the well-known technique of pattern welding produced surface patterns similar to those found on Damascus blades, some blacksmiths were erroneously led to believe that Damascus blades were made using this technique, but today, the difference between wootz steel and pattern welding is fully documented and well understood.
...
This "Modern Damascus" is made from several types of steel and iron slices welded together to form a billet, and currently the term "damascus" (although technically incorrect) is widely accepted to describe modern pattern welded steel blades in the trade "

In a related note supposedly a random African tribe invented the process of forging carbon steel using mud and grass furnaces 2000 years ago. Talk about lost technology.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Haya_people

Blogger cyrus83 May 30, 2019 11:32 PM  

Technology is easier to lose today than it was when the Roman Empire collapsed in the West. Back then people still learned a lot of things from their fathers so when the Empire fell and much knowledge, learning, and technology was lost, civilization wasn't driven back to the Stone Age, although it did take centuries to recover.

Today, take out the internet and the power grid, whether by EMP, physical destruction, big tech sabotage, or otherwise, and by and large most people would not know how to farm, build shelter, make clothing, get food in the absence of a supermarket and McDonald's, obtain safe drinking water, make repairs to whatever gadgets they have that might still work when SHTF, and any number of other things that nobody thinks of when technology is doing them for us.

Blogger sammibandit May 31, 2019 12:05 AM  

Thanks Snidley. That means a lot to me.

Blogger Azimus May 31, 2019 1:03 AM  

"In America it was the equally vapid and hollow claim that all men are created equal when no such thing had ever been so at any time."

Fron these words, I don't understand if he is referring to the works of Jefferson or the Schoolhouse Rock version that was taught to the Boomers. If he interprets this to br Jefferson's meaning he is either disingenuous or stupid as the Declaration in general and the phrase in particular are intended to attack the concept of monarchy, and more specifically despitic monarchy.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare May 31, 2019 1:04 AM  

@Snidely

TLDR: depends on your definition of Damascus. If you mean forge welded laminations then yeah, that's a well understood technology/technique/process. If you mean "Wootz steel from Tamilakam India, forged into blades of historically remarkable quality in Damascus" then no, we still aren't entirely sure how they did it.

Firstly, much respect, because "far from a Master" is a hell of a lot better than "I've watched an unbelievable number of instructional YouTube videos on the subject, and I've used a propane torch to temper an improperly heat treated (brand new file skated right over the edge) grub hoe head...and bent some wire, flattened nails, made a crude poker, etc..." which is all I can really claim. Working on changing that though.

Second, I know we can do "Damascus" like canister Damascus, and all kinds of other forge welded laminations and twists etc...but (IIRC) historical Damascus, when analyzed in a lab, had carbon nanotubes and nanowires in it among other things, with no explanation as to how they managed it. In other words, it wasn't just laminated steel, it was especially, incredibly high quality laminated steel, especially considering the level of technology involved.

Of course I know that our understanding of metallurgy has advanced sufficiently to enable us to produce steels and alloys that would make ancient Damascus look like common, hot rolled structural steel, but I didn't think we had figured out how the ancient smiths produced that comparatively awesome grade of steel, beyond "it was Indian Wootz, forged in Damascus" essentially.

In that sense, I think it's accurate to say that the technology and process for making Damascus steel has been lost to us.

Blogger Angantyr May 31, 2019 1:33 AM  

@29. dc.sunsets

"You're right on a technical basis, but on a daily-activity basis everything (including gold, guns and ammo) are denominated in those "I Owe You Nothing" Federal Reserve Notes. I guess it's part of today's confusion, that we really don't know WTF money even is anymore. It used to be a commodity store of value, but what "commodity" is a green-ink stained piece of cotton-based paper? The assumption is that it rests on the ability of the Federal Government to collect taxes (Yeah, I know that the Fed isn't part of the gov't) but our "money" has become such a floating abstraction that I'm not sure anyone really has a solid notion of things any more."

You're quite correct, and it is a source of confusion. It doesn't help that the silver:gold ratio is different, as well. However, as a starting point, I would suggest looking at prices of various items from ~1930 and before from old catalogs. While that does not greatly help for computers, naturally, (or automobiles, which have so drastically changed in terms of capability and amenities, that a rational comparison cannot be made) it can help for certain items that are more or less constant in design and manufacture. For example, a 1911 pistol has not changed greatly in design (though some manufacture techniques have been automated) and can be used as an approximation (assuming $20 double eagle is approximately equal to an ounce of gold). Most other things are more difficult to translate - example: raw produce and meat, since "Big Agra" has brought many costs down, though lowering the quality of the food and damaging the environment. However, I think that comparing modern organic products with products from the earlier era is probably in the ballpark.

It's work, but it can be done.

Blogger Sam Gem May 31, 2019 2:08 AM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 31, 2019 2:34 AM  

The difference in modern Damascus is that the low-carbon iron component was wrought iron, rather than the mild steel used today, and the high-carbon component is case-hardened iron or crucible steel. Wrought iron is the form produced by ancient methods up until the 16th century. Crucible steel is a special case of case hardeni g, in which iron is heated for a long time in a sealed container with a carbon source.
Neither of these method is commonly used today, and wrought iron cannot even be purchased.
There's literally nothing mysterious about any of this, except that some people want to lie about the difficulty of metalwork.

Blogger Archella May 31, 2019 2:35 AM  

It has long been my belief, that Chernobyl, was the proximate cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union. The HBO 5 part series, which Hardscrabble Farmer, writes about, is excellent. The last part comes out next week. The show even mentions the Holodomor, which I have never seen mention in a mainstream show.

Blogger tublecane May 31, 2019 2:37 AM  

@90- It wasn't meaningless. It's just that the Declaration was not a work of philosophy. It was intended to persuade people the decision of the colonies to break with the Mother Country was a good idea. It's political rhetoric.

Blogger Sam Gem May 31, 2019 2:40 AM  

After thinking about why Jefferson's writings are called "high-flying rhetoric", am I correct in saying it is because the phrase "all men are created equal" has been extended to the extreme of not even being able to defend our own civilization? Please expand if there is more to what Vox is saying. My previous post can be deleted.

Blogger p-dawg May 31, 2019 5:38 AM  

@48:
So if we haven't lost the technology to go to the moon, why is it that you then state this:
"We know exactly how to get to the moon. It would just require a large amount of money to design a new, modern rocket to replace the Saturn V."
So...we have to develop new technology to get there. Why? Because we have lost the old technology which allowed us to get there. If it were not lost, we would not have to develop NEW technology to do it. So how is the claim false? If we haven't lost the technology we used to do it the first time, we would be able to use that technology to do it at least once in the past 50 years and we would not have to develop completely different new technology to replicate the feat.

Blogger John Bradley May 31, 2019 6:11 AM  

p-dawg: That depends on what you mean by 'technology'. By the same token, we haven't lost the technology to build a brand-new engine for a 1940 Packard; there's no mystery about how to do it. But we have lost all the tooling and dies and molds that were used to fabricate the specific parts in question. They could be remade as well, but we now have superior methods of doing this sort of thing (e.g. CAD, CNC, etc.) so if it suddenly became imperative to make 1940 Packard engines in any quantity, we'd need to recreate them using the modern tools at our disposal.

I don't believe there's any unknown magic about the Saturn V that can't be recreated with modern tools, but as no one's wanted one built in 40+ years, the infrastructure to make them has been scrapped. Not forgotten, merely thrown away.

Blogger Nate May 31, 2019 7:47 AM  

a government is not a civilization. a government is t even a society. sure the USSR fell.. and yet there is Russia. Japan and China have had more collapses than a 10 year old jenga tower but there they are.

Blogger James Dixon May 31, 2019 8:22 AM  

> That depends on what you mean by 'technology'.

Exactly. A technology consists of the finished product, the tools used to make that product, and the process used to make the product. All three are necessary to replicate the product.

In many cases we have better tools and processes, so replicating the product exactly isn't necessary or desirable. But that's not always the case.

Blogger JG May 31, 2019 8:31 AM  

Conservatives never conserved anything, libertarians never increased liberty, egalitarians have only managed to make everyone less equal under the law. These pathetic ideologies are dead.

It's Christianity and Nationalism, or Satan. Choose wisely.

Blogger S1AL May 31, 2019 10:24 AM  

Let's put it in nice, simple terms:

We could build new pyramids, or structures even more impressive than the pyramids.

But we have no idea how the pyramids were built originally.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 31, 2019 11:58 AM  

Wootz steel is fairly well understood. It's a crucible steel made in one step from hematite ore by sealing the ore in a crucible with a very large amount of carbon (usually bamboo) and keeping it just above the ferrite/austentite transformation temperature for a very long period of time. The silica impurities in the ore absorb carbon to become silicon carbide, while the carbon is dissolved into the austentitic iron. Later, the silica migrates out of the matrix as silicon dioxide, leaving carbon nanostructures behind. The carbon nanostructures allow the steel to have an extremely high carbon content while not being as brittle as bare carbon steel would be at that concentration. Small samples microscopically identical to ancient examples have been produced in the lab. The technology requires fairly precise temperature control and enormous amounts of labor and fuel, which is why it is no longer practiced.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 31, 2019 12:06 PM  

I should put that into the context of the discussion. The technology of Wootz steel was lost in the Moslem invasions of India. The understanding of what it actually was and how it worked is actually better than it was during its production. But the technology itself is still lost, because technology is practice, not theory, and nobody could go out and start producing Wootz steel today. But it's not magic. With sufficient interest and a pile of money, metallurgical chemists could work out how to make it happen.

Blogger sammibandit May 31, 2019 12:29 PM  

Here's a good teaser. How fast can you make an Acheulean hand axe? I can't make stone tools and I've tried. We have the rocks, the hands to do it, but lost the method. Who knows if we'll need to make them again? We're probably only at the ability of homo habilis hand axes, which are pretty much just unworked rocks.

http://www.sciencebuzz.org/museum/object/2004_10_acheulean_handaxe

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 31, 2019 12:51 PM  

sammibandit wrote:We have the rocks, the hands to do it, but lost the method. Who knows if we'll need to make them again?
Stone tool technology was recovered for the West when the last surviving of some tribe of Indian in California came down out of the Sierras and bumped right into the Anthropology department at Stanford, near the turn of the 20th century. He taught the Anthros how to make stone tools of various types, and the principles and tools he used to do so. Stone tool making is an elective course in most Archaeology departments. Phil Harding on the British TV program Time Team learned flint knapping at the age of 6 and is one of the world's leading experts on the subject.

Blogger Tars Tarkas May 31, 2019 1:27 PM  

One technology which is quasi-lost is automobile manufacturing.
Ford, for example, used to brag about the only part not manufactured by Ford, in a single factory, were the tires.
Literally at one end of the plant raw materials came in and manufactured cars went the other end.
While Ford and other manufacturers can obviously still build cars, it is from various parts and materials imported from all over the world.
I'm pretty sure our giant presses either no longer exist or are dwarfed by larger presses all over the world.
The speed of the collapse is absolutely astonishing.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 31, 2019 1:35 PM  

Here's a good sample.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rhmhUb5TUk

Blogger sammibandit May 31, 2019 1:47 PM  

Thanks Snidley. I enjoy being corrected by you. You're honest and kind.

Blogger sammibandit May 31, 2019 1:54 PM  

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Blogger sammibandit May 31, 2019 1:54 PM  

Ohhh, Fordlandia now comes into the discussion.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 31, 2019 2:44 PM  

sammibandit wrote:You're honest and kind.
I'm not used to being called kind. "Vitriolic abuse" is the more common description.

Blogger sammibandit May 31, 2019 2:52 PM  

You treat others in kind. To be clear, you treat others as they treat you. I respect that a lot. Kindess always trumps niceness in my book.

We tell the world how to treat us by how we treat others. People who give you flak are, from what I've seen over several months, "starting beef". You just finish it. They're used to acting that way and not being treated the way they act so they act out in a perverted "pay it forward".

Blogger Balam May 31, 2019 5:24 PM  

Snidely, that was a very interesting description of wootz steel. The comment that we understand it now better than the ancients did makes me wonder how a particular Indian man came up with it in the first place and then identified how he did it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 31, 2019 5:56 PM  

Incremental improvements rather than theory can often get you to the same place.

Blogger BriarRabbit June 01, 2019 12:31 AM  

Yup. Tho... The cash is literally a promissory note. That's why it says "note" on top.

Blogger BriarRabbit June 01, 2019 12:32 AM  

And large stores of moonshine laid up as a barterable item. *cough*

Blogger By My Greybeard! June 01, 2019 11:02 AM  

No “Ah ha!” moment.
l will have to meditate on this.
Thank you for your time!

Blogger BriarRabbit June 01, 2019 11:44 AM  

I think the most basic element of value is time.

Blogger BriarRabbit June 01, 2019 11:46 AM  

Or we never went

Blogger BriarRabbit June 01, 2019 12:10 PM  

Because the ancients, though ancient, didnt evolve. Neanderthal had a larger brain capacity and were spectacularly stronger and more rugged than we are. They were 100% human, they were simply humans who lived hundreds of years. The one bone in a human that continues to get larger as we age is the brow ridge.

The antekethyra mechanism, the pyramids, the original sphynx... those wonders of the ancient world were built by extremely intelligent humans 9f marvelous physical strength.

It all makes sense from a biblical worldview. If we assume we are the highest evolved form of human meat, it makes no sense.

Evolution is a myth. No one has ever seen additional information added to a genome.

Eve was made from Adam's rib.the one bone in a human that will grow back if completely removed is the lower rib. As long as the flesh containing the othracytes (sp.?), the bone-building cells, isn't damaged, the rib will completely regenerate in 4 to 6 months.

Also, humans were, at one point MUCH larger. I've been reading old 1800's and early 1900's articles from fairly well known publications and reports of this occurred with surprising frequency. Of course now anything that doesn't fit the scientism religion of the narrative called evolution is scrubbed.

I can't believe my worldview was so askew for so many decades.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 01, 2019 8:23 PM  

I'm not used to being called kind. "Vitriolic abuse" is the more common description.

You're getting soft in your old age, Snidely.

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