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Wednesday, May 22, 2019

The wages of faithlessness

The Conservative Party in the UK is melting down due to its faithlessness and refusal to deliver the Brexit for which the people voted. They'll be punished tomorrow in the European elections that should never have taken place, and hopefully to a similar extent in the next general election.

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Blogger Ferdinand May 22, 2019 4:33 PM  

Good riddance to the tories, the remainers will spin it that the brexit party still has less than 51%, meaning the majority is for remain now.

Blogger LP916 May 22, 2019 4:41 PM  

Lord, please help Farage stop this madness. Keep turning the hearts of the people to the exit. They need their country back now, no more May and no more to her lunacy. It is enough, enough to HRC to enough to May. They have had enough time to do their worst on the poor people there.

Brexit! As its time to free the people!

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 22, 2019 4:43 PM  

Any insight from your sources over in the UK? Over at ZH, the Tylers were reporting that May was preparing to resign tonight, based on the backbenchers' revolt on the 4th go at her plan, which was promptly denied by a staffer at No. 10, and at last report, there was a standoff between the 1922 Committee and the PM, along with the resignation of the party leader in the House of Commons and all eyes on the current Home Secretary.

Oddly enough, the reason for the former leader's resignation? The second referendum.

HARD Brexit. Just. Do. It.

Blogger VD May 22, 2019 4:44 PM  

They say May is done, most likely tonight or tomorrow after the results come in.

Blogger David Ray Milton May 22, 2019 5:09 PM  

Bye Theresa

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 22, 2019 5:18 PM  

They'll need a crowbar and a crane to extract her out of #10.

Blogger Gregory the Great May 22, 2019 5:25 PM  

@6 What? Don't you agree that she is so nice, actually very nice and also such a nice person?
I am imitating the English here who will call everybody "nice" as long as that person says "Hello, how are you?" and "Thank you, I'm fine."

Blogger JG May 22, 2019 5:27 PM  

Hanging is too good for the traitors of Brexit.

Blogger Ultrahardcore May 22, 2019 5:28 PM  

Who will replace May? Boris Johnson?

Blogger Franz Lyonheart May 22, 2019 5:30 PM  

@6, a guillotine would be more traditional with appropriate precedence, though.

Blogger Silent Draco May 22, 2019 5:33 PM  

A spring clean of the May Queen. Appropriate. The last Question in the House should be "public or private transit for your departure?", but that's the cruel streak.

I watched some of the Europarliament commercials from the Scottish Greens, with the sound muted. Adding a "Yakkity Sax" soundtrack and speeding up to 1.25x would only help. Benny Hill, your nation needs you ...

Blogger Franz Lyonheart May 22, 2019 5:34 PM  

hopefully to a similar extent in the next general election.

Hopefully, although parliament does all it can to avoid an early election before 2023. Although they utterly refuse to do their job - to represent!

The atmosphere amongst Englishmen however is that the people will let off steam in the Euro elections, and at the next general election, it will be forgotten and back to business with Labour and Conservatives. We shall see, albeit as a great man once said, MPAI.

Blogger Ilk in Training May 22, 2019 5:41 PM  

Come on Britain! Take out your spine, polish it up and restore it and your national identity. I, with many others, pray for your redemption.

Blogger Bob Loblaw May 22, 2019 5:42 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:They'll need a crowbar and a crane to extract her out of #10.

The claw marks she leaves in the floor as the drag her out will necessitate its replacement.

Blogger Quilp May 22, 2019 5:56 PM  

Sure in the US we have open primaries, but then if that candidates wins the primary and the general election, he/she must still work within the party in Washington. It must be nice to have the ability to create a new, viable political party in a parliamentary system when your party is failing you. If we weren't stuck with the two party system Kevin McCarthy would have been ousted long ago.

Blogger Robert What? May 22, 2019 6:11 PM  

Does "Conservative" have any meaning any more?

Blogger SDaly May 22, 2019 6:20 PM  

Women do not understand the concept of honor and never resign willingly

Blogger peacefulposter May 22, 2019 6:41 PM  

Nigel is Brexit Party but Tommy and Sargon are UKIP? I don't understand.

Blogger Robert What? May 22, 2019 6:48 PM  

@Scaly, honor is definitely a male concept. It's not in their DNA. Same with ShitLib males. Must be all that extra estrogen they're carrying.

Blogger liberranter May 22, 2019 6:59 PM  

Does "Conservative" have any meaning any more?

Of course. It means one who "conserves" the gains of yesterday's libprogs.

Blogger Mike Rock May 22, 2019 7:02 PM  

11, can you imagine Benny Hill and Winston Churchill in a smoke filled room, empty bottles falling over, and those two talking in a stream of consciousness...... good grief, what a wonderful image!!

Blogger lowercaseb May 22, 2019 7:30 PM  

I have faith in the people of England...no matter how many Milkshakes are flung in anger, I think Farage will come out on top.

Blogger Twisted Root May 22, 2019 7:53 PM  

The atmosphere amongst Englishmen however is that the people will let off steam in the Euro elections, and at the next general election, it will be forgotten and back to business with Labour and Conservatives. We shall see, albeit as a great man once said, MPAI.
This is all too likely. Farage's strategy of gaining general popular support was the main factor in getting a referendum in the first place. Both main parties promised a referendum in the four previous elections. Cameron only delivered when UKIP started hitting the low twenties in the opinion polls - perilously close to the threshold where UKIP would start to win a cascade of parliamentary seats in our FPTP system. One can only hope the Farage or a close adviser is flexible enough to switch the strategy to building targeted concentrations of support in constituencies.

Blogger PolitiCrump May 22, 2019 7:55 PM  

@18

Pretty sure it a strategic move on the part of Farage. Fair or not, Sargon, Tommy Robinson, Count Dankula, and other e-celebs have made UKIP too toxic. Farage has made the right move in my estimation.

Blogger Unknown May 22, 2019 8:11 PM  

Farage wants only one focus, Brexit. UKIP got too anti-Islam for him.

Blogger Damn the torpedos May 22, 2019 8:14 PM  

UKIP became ecelb

Hopefully Nigel keeps those wackos out of power in this party.

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 22, 2019 8:15 PM  

@18

Nigel left his UKIP leadership post to hit the punditry circuit about 3-4 months after the referendum. He formally left UKIP after they expanded their positions after the mess that was May's called election that lost the Tories the outright majority.

Nigel has been for one thing, and one thing only: BREXIT. And you have to hand it to him, the view makes a hell of a lot of sense. Get out of the EU FIRST, THEN worry about everything else. No offense to Tommy, Sargon, and Dankula, but the jump to UKIP ahead of Brexit is simply putting the cart before the horse.

Blogger John Best. May 22, 2019 8:19 PM  

I can't wait for that witch to be gone.

Blogger nswhorse May 22, 2019 8:35 PM  

peacefulposter wrote:Nigel is Brexit Party but Tommy and Sargon are UKIP? I don't understand.

Two different Brexit-focused parties. UKIP has been around since the early 90s. Farage took the party from a position of irrelevance to national force, culminating in the successful Leave referendum campaign. Farage has since fallen out with UKIP, in large part due to the party bringing in Tommy as an advisor (he is ineligible for UKIP membership due to his former membership in the English Defence League). Farage was subsequently involved with forming the brand new Brexit Party in order to contest the EU elections in the event that Brexit failed to proceed on schedule. Nigel's personal profile has moved the Brexit Party into the space formerly occupied by UKIP, and pushed UKIP aside. The recruitment of Sargon, Count Dankula, and Paul Joseph Watson to UKIP was designed to spearhead a youth-focused recruitment drive as the party tries to rebuild its profile without Farage.

Blogger wahr01 May 22, 2019 8:46 PM  

@24

Given the understanding Sargon and Tommy have I wouldn't put it past them to be the ones making the strategic move WITH Farage.

Sargon in particular watched what happened to the Tories when they tried to slip other, more toxic issues into their "brexit" snap-election.

It's a classic negotiating tactic to demand unreasonable concessions to make what you're actually after look reasonable, and it's clear Sargon is having a blast being shock jock this election and never planning to win.

Blogger Hammerli 280 May 22, 2019 9:37 PM  

The Sun is reporting that May is out.

A side effect will be that the new PM might be more willing to tell Trump just how much the UK was involved in the effort to spy on his campaign. The RUMINT has been that the UK, Australia, and Italy were all acting in support of the Dems' scheme.

Which will, of course, impact the "special relationship". The best way for the UK to repair the damage will be to throw the Dems under the bus.

Blogger D. May 22, 2019 10:17 PM  

Maybe she'll be around to answer:

Devin Nunes Asks President Trump To Question PM Theresa May Over U.K. Involvement in “Spygate”…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/22/devin-nunes-asks-president-trump-to-question-pm-theresa-may-over-u-k-involvement-in-spygate/

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel May 22, 2019 10:19 PM  

@4

Somehow, if May gets sent packing, I will be unable to not picture the Munchkins singing "ding dong the witch is dead"

Blogger John Best. May 22, 2019 10:30 PM  

@30 British youtube is a totally atheist, it is useless. Whenever I bring up about making a nationalist party they don't care, while always complaining there is no nationalist party in Britain. They are just venting anger, they aren't in any emotional position to build a political party. Also they aren't very smart. These two things along with the atheism means, they are useless. Farage is a globalist and he is using the EU elections to maintain his media position. It is clear Britain needs a true nationalist party. All the middle class Tory types are now supporting the Brexit party, it is a road to Farage, not removing the not-British population, restoring Christianity and the House Societal structure. Both May and Corbyn have dealt their parties massive blows by being terrible leaders. So much so the Lib-Dems are growing again, I hate the Lib-Dems. How could they let this happen.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 22, 2019 10:50 PM  

"Fair or not, Sargon, Tommy Robinson, Count Dankula, and other e-celebs have made UKIP too toxic."


If they were "toxic", you're "problematic".

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 22, 2019 10:51 PM  

"No offense to Tommy, Sargon, and Dankula, but the jump to UKIP ahead of Brexit is simply putting the cart before the horse."

There's a good way to put it.

Blogger Jack Amok May 22, 2019 10:52 PM  

Theresa May, or Theresa May Not, but Britain will Brexit.

Blogger damaris.tighe May 22, 2019 11:11 PM  

What do people think of Soph, the freakishly articulate child of the alt right??

Blogger damaris.tighe May 22, 2019 11:17 PM  

JG wrote:Hanging is too good for the traitors of Brexit.

- Go north, young man and talk to the Yorkshiremen.

Blogger Hieroglyph May 23, 2019 12:46 AM  

It's actually hilarious. Likely this vote is specific to euro elections, and won't be replicated at the General Election. However, this isn't definite. There is a scenario where, if Brexit isn't delivered, well, the main parties are royally screwed. Worth betting on PM Farage?

My mum is worried about Brexit, which is a shame. Personally, I don't believe the tales of doom and gloom. As ever, with change, there will be positives and negatives, which we just can't predict. But there will be no great depression, or Spanish Flu, and Putin won't invade. The UK will be fine.

Blogger Jack Amok May 23, 2019 1:32 AM  

What do people think of Soph, the freakishly articulate child of the alt right??

That her parents are marginally decent rhetoricians but fucking awful parents.

Blogger James Jones May 23, 2019 2:34 AM  

I won't think you understand us as well as you think. But you do seem to be nice.

Blogger James Jones May 23, 2019 2:36 AM  

And he's right. Brexit first. The public is still not ready for Tommy, but they are getting there.

Blogger cisbio May 23, 2019 2:59 AM  

They say May is done, most likely tonight or tomorrow after the results come in.

While Britain votes today, voting in most member states are taking place over the weekend. The results won't be revealed until Sunday. Although exit polls will give a good indication before then I suppose. May's timetable is murky before that, like everythng about Brexit.

One myth I'd like to debunk: Brexit is not 'the will of the people', it is the will of roughly half of those who voted in the referendum. The other half adamantly want to stay in the EU - therein lies a great deal of the problem, since the voting cut right across party lines, paralyzing not only the Tories but also Labour.




Blogger TheGhostlyOne May 23, 2019 3:00 AM  

Farage pulled the typical Boomer move.

Keep down leaders of the new generation rising up, by labeling them extremists.

Nevertheless I hope he achieves Brexit

Blogger TheGhostlyOne May 23, 2019 3:01 AM  


“What do people think of Soph, the freakishly articulate child of the alt right??”

I’m impressed with her. I hope she continues to grow.

Blogger doctrev May 23, 2019 3:07 AM  

Best of luck to the sons of Britain. They're not voting their way out of this, but it's good that they try.

Blogger Mark Stoval May 23, 2019 3:16 AM  

LP916 wrote:Lord, please help Farage stop this madness. Keep turning the hearts of the people to the exit. They need their country back now, no more May and no more to her lunacy. It is enough, enough to HRC to enough to May. They have had enough time to do their worst on the poor people there.

Brexit! As its time to free the people!


Amen brother, amen.

Blogger wahr01 May 23, 2019 3:22 AM  

@38

I think you've been reading too many "main-stream" outlets and should stop.

She's a common-sense zoomer, that's it.

Blogger InformationMerchant May 23, 2019 3:26 AM  

@18

It's worse than that.

Nigel is BP. Sargon is UKIP, second UKIP name on the ballot for his area. Tommy Robinson is a UKIP adviser but is running as an Independent, For Britain is another fork of UKIP. This is just dealing with UKIP splinters. Tommy needs 8.5% of the vote or so to win his seat, he will. BP will absolutely smash. Ukip aren't looking so great.

@26 UKIP was dead after the last election because the UKIP voters voted for May. When PJW, Sargon, Dankula, etc joined UKIP, the meme/slogan was "UKIP, because fuck it." That revived any interest in the party.

As for Nigel keeping the wackos out, rest assured, he already kicked the founder out for Islamophobia, BP also asked Facebook to shut down some problematic groups.

@27 His unwillingness to commit to anything beside Brexit is not due to this "Brexit first, other stuff later" concept you think it is. It's because he is getting a massive percentage of the Leave Vote and he's currently positioned right next to the Conservative party so the cucks that want to jump ship have the easiest possible time. He won't answer questions about his previous comments on healthcare/guns/etc because he doesn't want to split his own vote, which is why he doesn't want to put out a manifesto. He currently has right wing and left wing leave voters, no need to lose some of them for no gains. The Brexit party is Leave + fill in the blanks with whatever your imagination thinks would be nice.

He only had to alienate some of the old UKIP voters and he split the anti Islam faction between UKIP and For Britain anyway, he's fine with this. Tommy and Sargon have effectively been running interference for him too. Sure, leftists have trying to frame him as a Nazi, but Sargon has occupied the media even more than Tommy. Even Dankula barely gets a mention. Farage isn't as big of a literal Hitler as a bunch of the other people running.

@34 Everyone hates the Lib Dems. They're eating Remain votes, it's fine. They cannibalized CUK and Greens. The socialists won't abandon Corbyn, the local elections worked out well for the Lib Dems and they're currently being overestimated. They'll do well in the Euro Elections due to being the strongest Remain party, but do right wingers vote Lib Dems? Even if they were strong, all they'd do is take votes from Labour, which will be useful in the next general as the right wing vote is going to be split.

You won't get the hardcore nationalist party that you want though. BNP was too early and it wasn't strong enough for you. There are a couple of interesting smaller factions, but none will be able to win seats in the general.

Another interesting faction is the English Democrats. They've been trying to sue the government for months to prove that the UK already left the EU using the logic Remainers used when the court sided with them. https://www.englishdemocrats.party/press_release_english_democrats_v_uk_gov

They run on English independence, it'd be nice if they had the potential to trigger a referendum on that in the way UKIP forced the Conservatives make a promise/manifesto commitment to the Brexit referendum.

Blogger Bob Loblaw May 23, 2019 4:01 AM  

Nigel has been for one thing, and one thing only: BREXIT. And you have to hand it to him, the view makes a hell of a lot of sense.

UKIP has a fully fleshed out manifesto, whereas the Brexit party doesn't. People who vote Brexit Party have no idea what they're voting for except hard Brexit and Nigel Farage. There's a lot going on in the UK besides Brexit.

Nigel's personal profile has moved the Brexit Party into the space formerly occupied by UKIP, and pushed UKIP aside.

Not so much. UKIP certainly hasn't grown much, but it's not smaller either. What Farage has done is moved into much of the space formerly occupied by the say-one-thing-do-another Tories.

Blogger nswhorse May 23, 2019 4:24 AM  

"These nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries." - one Jean-Claude Junker

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums May 23, 2019 4:50 AM  

Sargon has an unbroken track record of destroying everything he becomes a part of. This power of his is referred to as "The Reverse Midas' Touch". We need to get this guy in the EU parliament. Nothing is strong enough to survive Sargon. Nothing.

Blogger Jonathon Davies May 23, 2019 5:09 AM  

I sincerely hope this support translates in to votes. Also, I don't trust the establishment. We have previously seen the South Thanet ballot box shuffle being performed. Voting is today, but the results are Sunday. That's a lot of time for those ballot boxes to be in storage, if you get my meaning. Meanwhile May clings on like a limpet.

Blogger Gregory the Great May 23, 2019 5:41 AM  

He might also ask her why she banned Michael Savage from Britain.

Blogger Gregory the Great May 23, 2019 5:46 AM  

Actually the building will go down together with her. Not her fault, English builders, you know.

Blogger Gregory the Great May 23, 2019 5:47 AM  

The English would never use anything so French.

Blogger Gregory the Great May 23, 2019 5:49 AM  

I will be counting on you!

Blogger VD May 23, 2019 5:49 AM  

What do people think of Soph, the freakishly articulate child of the alt right??

Near-total parenting fail. She should not be on the Internet at all at that age.

Blogger VD May 23, 2019 5:52 AM  

One myth I'd like to debunk: Brexit is not 'the will of the people', it is the will of roughly half of those who voted in the referendum.

A sizable portion of those who voted against Brexit are not actual British people. They're just paper Brits.

Blogger Critias May 23, 2019 6:43 AM  

He's also not debunking it because after the referendum the honorable lot on the losing side wanted to get on with it and leave. The winning vote is the will of the people.

Blogger ace May 23, 2019 6:46 AM  

But we hit him with milkshakes. I don't understand, that should have destroyed him. Milkshakes.

Blogger basementhomebrewer May 23, 2019 7:23 AM  

What do people think of Soph, the freakishly articulate child of the alt right??

Better question, why do people keep bring her up, OT, using nearly identical phrasing, absolutely everywhere? That alone makes me skeptical about her. Let alone the massive disservice her parents have done her.

Blogger John S May 23, 2019 7:26 AM  

cisbio wrote:One myth I'd like to debunk: Brexit is not 'the will of the people', it is the will of roughly half of those who voted in the referendum.

It is the will of the majority of Britan. The referendum is non legally binding and the parliament gang can always say "LOL JK, we are not leaving the EU anytime soon! Let's move on to other stuff!" Why don't they do that?

Blogger PFrank May 23, 2019 8:08 AM  

Thank-you to the participants in this thread - an interesting read before my vote. Fascinating to see the shamelessness of the main UK political parties. I hope they are duly punished.

Blogger Greg Hunt May 23, 2019 9:41 AM  

They need to see the failure of the ballot box. The soap box failed decades ago. The next box in line has been outlawed, which should lead to interesting times coming ahead.

Blogger cisbio May 23, 2019 10:15 AM  


A sizable portion of those who voted against Brexit are not actual British people. They're just paper Brits.


Actually, a surprisng amount of leave voters were 1st or 2nd generation immigrants, typically from commonwealth countries, for whom Europe holds no special attachment

Blogger Unknown May 23, 2019 10:42 AM  

I do not trust the Brexit party to deliver what is best for the interests of the nation.

Blogger Balam May 23, 2019 12:54 PM  

cisbio wrote:Actually, a surprisng amount of leave voters were 1st or 2nd generation immigrants, typically from commonwealth countries, for whom Europe holds no special attachment

Looking it up I came across this article
www.asadaliabbasi.com/brexit/2019/12/24/why-did-south-asians-vote-for-brexit

"Outside Londen, nearly every constituency with a double-digit South Asian population voted Leave. Luton has a 25 percent Asian population; Leave won there with a 19 percent majority."

The article claimed it's because they think open immigration will increase competition for their already hard to find jobs. I read once that legal Mexican immigrants in the US hated the illegals for a similar reason; they see the immigration rung of society as fiercely zero sum.

Blogger cisbio May 23, 2019 2:09 PM  

The article claimed it's because they think open immigration will increase competition for their already hard to find jobs. I read once that legal Mexican immigrants in the US hated the illegals for a similar reason; they see the immigration rung of society as fiercely zero sum.

Quite.

Here's another interesting phenomenon: a surprising amount of far-right agitators are themselves of immigrant stock.

Here's another Brexit myth: That leaving the EU will restore Britain to the British - it won't.

It will merely choke the flow of white Christian immigrants from Eastern Europe. The shortfall of cheap labour will be met by increased numbers of Commonwealth immigrants, from the subcontinent and elsewhere - in other words, Muslims and Hindus. Any hope of a revived Christian nation will rest with Ghanaians and Nigerians, and Catholic Hispanics.

Brexit is deeply worrying because soon or later, Leave voters will twig that they been shafted and get angrier than they already are. The protest vote against austerity will be revealed as a shame - and they will blame anyone but themselves and the Tory toffs who care only for market deregulation and the profits of their hedge funds. It won't be pretty.

Blogger JonM May 23, 2019 2:37 PM  

Say, this last minute surge by Farage wouldn't have anything to do with pollsters rushing to amend their fake numbers so that they can say they accurately predicted the results with a straight face, would it?

It's interesting that these late surges only ever happen in one direction.

Blogger John Best. May 23, 2019 3:09 PM  

Just voted for the Brexit Party with my dad. My mother who is Irish voted for the Lib Dems.

Blogger John Best. May 23, 2019 3:40 PM  

@50 I am talking about building my own political party. With two policies to remove the not-British population and pay down private debt. Along with the ideology of enforcing order and beauty. That's it, it is that simple. Look at what Farage has just done. Again atheists, midwits and angry people is all we have on British youtube making them useless. Joe Owens gets it, but he is just not very smart or a productive politician.

English democrats are people I respect and I respect them going to court to prove the extension unlawful. However they have too many policies beyond English independence and the name should be English nationalist party, not English Democrats, that is a bad name. I have seen their members on TV and never thought very much of them, just basic lower middle class people with basic views. Nothing interesting, different or show stopping about them. An English version of UKIP.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 23, 2019 3:40 PM  

cisbio wrote:Here's another Brexit myth: That leaving the EU will restore Britain to the British - it won't.

It will merely choke the flow of white Christian immigrants from Eastern Europe. The shortfall of cheap labour will be met by increased numbers of Commonwealth immigrants

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Blogger Balam May 24, 2019 11:29 AM  

Theresa May OUT! Sobs as she gives resignation address. I don't think the Brexit Party totals are officially out yet but they must have been pretty good!

Bonus: Her speech mentioned the gender gap, privilege and one commentor says 'Is how GoT should have ended'.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48395905

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