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Saturday, June 08, 2019

Chernobyl, corrected

A Soviet general who was featured in the recent miniseries Chernobyl, Nikolai Tarakanov, corrects the liberties taken by the creators of the docudrama in a fascinating interview with Russia Today.
Tarakanov: It was a terrifying sight, really. What on Earth could demolish an entire structure of reinforced concrete? A nuclear bomb? Some massive accident? I couldn't imagine what had happened there. As a result of the explosion, all the rubble and dust was sent into the air. 300,000 cubic meters of soil around the plant were extracted, put in trucks and taken to burial sites. The soil was replaced with 300,000 cubic meters of crushed stone, sealed with concrete and covered with heavy concrete plates. This led to radiation levels falling by hundreds of times around the site, which allowed us to deal with the plant itself and decontaminate the equipment. It’s a long story. But then again, it was the soldiers who did all that. That is why when they ask me about it I always say: yes, there were scientists. Of course there were scientists; I have a doctoral degree myself. But it was the soldiers who were the main heroes of this story. When you think about war history, you always remember the military leaders, great generals, like Zhukov and Voroshilov. But who did all the fighting? It was the soldiers.

Tarakanov: There’s this episode, it’s is an ugly one. They show this boy, a conscript arriving at the military compound. What comes next is just ridiculous. They give him a uniform and moments later they are teaching him how to shoot animals. I mean, that’s just silly. Nothing even close to that ever happened. This is one serious mistake.

RTD: Are you saying they never executed animals, like they show in the episode?

Tarakanov: No, they did, but never in the residential area. In the residential parts, there were no cows, no dogs – not a single one. The shooting did take place, but it was in the forests, where wild animals still roamed, including deer, as well as cattle that wandered off after the evacuation. But to show this young boy, recently drafted, being given all this equipment straight away [is just absurd].

The way it actually happened was pretty simple. The government issued a decree announcing general mobilization. They were supposed to call in 20,000 reservists, as they were called, from, say, Moscow and elsewhere... Those were all men of conscription age, between 30 and 40, mostly. And, of course, they knew nothing about their pending deployment. Later, when they arrived at the base, they were assigned to different units, a platoon, company or battalion. Only then would they set off for Chernobyl. So, all the procedures followed the law. Yet, the time they had to serve there was way too long.

RTD: This series portrays then-Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev as a confused man, who is doubting the reality and hesitating to take control. Is that true? Is that how it was and did he really fail to assume responsibility for the incident?

Tarakanov: What I can tell you is that if we speak about the man’s character, since I knew him quite well... he did lack that firm grip on things that, for example, Boris Yeltsin had, the kind that majors and generals have, who can take the lead; issue orders and know what to do, that kind of stuff.

So, when he got the news he didn’t even go there himself, he sent [Nikolai] Ryzhkov [chairman of the Council of Ministers] and Shcherbina to take care of things. And not knowing what’s happening on the ground; not having the slightest idea of what it’s like, he was trying to low-ball the whole thing about the danger to the population and the impact. He was hoping that the commission would report any day that it was all over and fine.
It's disappointing to hear that the pet shootings were invented, not because one wishes they were real, but because it casts a malevolent shadow on the makers of the docudrama. What is the point of inventing and then subjecting the viewer to such psychological horror, especially when it was not real? Given the way in which Chernobyl creator Craig Mazin claims "The lesson is that lying, arrogance, and suppression of criticism are dangerous", what could possibly be the objective of lying about the mass slaughter of puppies and kittens by Russians.... oh.

It's not "a serious mistake", it's malicious revisionist historical (((wizardry))). Every. Single. Time.

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48 Comments:

Blogger Brett baker June 08, 2019 6:44 AM  

Who are you going to believe, the guy who was there, or your lying scriptwriter?

Blogger Steb June 08, 2019 7:14 AM  

There they were, those Russian soldiers, bursting into maternity wards and throwing babies in incubators onto the ground.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 08, 2019 7:14 AM  

Putting the Soviets in a bad light doesn't really offend me, but yeah the creator could explain WHY he produced that scene.

Give it a couple of years and if this happened in some Blue State shithole on the edge of collapse such as CA the response would make the Soviet's response look good.

Blogger thechortling June 08, 2019 7:23 AM  

Don Lemon seeks a Chernobyl of Smollett tears

Blogger Rhys June 08, 2019 7:30 AM  

All modern television is lying to you. There is ZERO EXCEPTIONS to this! Watch it if you want but it's always to your detriment.

Blogger Akulkis June 08, 2019 7:30 AM  

i never understood the soviet union, and the mass murder of Russians, and Ukrainians, until i realized that the Russian government had been hijacked by (((Lenin))) and a bunch of (((New Yorkers))). Likewise, I couldn't understan why so many Jews who had come from Russia, Ukraine, etc. during the 1920's through 1950's were always spying for the Soviet Union and trying to get congress to unilaterally disarm in the face of the flagrant acts of "exporting revolution" all over the planet and the soviet government's policy of not even referring to the United States by name, but instead calling us, "the main adversary."

I now realize that all of that activity wasn't to benefit Russia, it was for the benefit of the (((hijackers))) who despise the Russians, and enslaved them when they weren't murdering them.

Blogger Lazarus June 08, 2019 7:36 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Putting the Soviets in a bad light doesn't really offend me, but yeah the creator could explain WHY he produced that scene.



It is covered by the term "docuDRAMA".

Just like "This film is based on a true story."

Blogger Silent Draco June 08, 2019 7:37 AM  

The wizardry was not limited to the producers. That was a masterpiece of maskirovra. Comments and analysis inserted. I'm hoping to be incorrect, but am suspicious of bland statements officials (former Soviet or other).

"RTD: Are you saying they never executed animals, like they show in the episode?

Tarakanov: No, they did, but never in the residential area.

- Not in residential areas, but elsewhere is neither confirmed nor denied.

In the residential parts, there were no cows, no dogs – not a single one. The shooting did take place, but it was in the forests, where wild animals still roamed, including deer, as well as cattle that wandered off after the evacuation.

- Domestic animals such as pets are neither included nor excluded. However, pets going feral and wandering out of the restricted can carry an internal or external fallout load; not for long, because of toxicity per kilogram of body mass, but perhaps long enough to transfer a nasty radiation dose to the first humans encountered. Food animals such as stray cattle, deer, etc. would be shot and left dead, to prevent contamination from eating these animals. You don't want radiation transferred out of a cordoned zone by animals or people, which you can bar or deter, because weather effects are bad enough to begin.

But to show this young boy, recently drafted, being given all this equipment straight away [is just absurd].

- Sleight of hand and slight misdirection by rhetoric.

The way it actually happened was pretty simple. The government issued a decree announcing general mobilization. They were supposed to call in 20,000 reservists, as they were called, from, say, Moscow and elsewhere... Those were all men of conscription age, between 30 and 40, mostly.

- Conscription was 18-65. Calling up 30 to 40 year old men implies a purpose. What's not said is if the conscription call was for unmarried men, technical specialties, or both.

- An emergency conscription would be in the affected military district or its environs. The amount and vague reference to Moscow or other regions may cover specific specialists from technical services, such as decontamination, former "special weapons" security, engineers, etc.

And, of course, they knew nothing about their pending deployment. Later, when they arrived at the base, they were assigned to different units, a platoon, company or battalion. Only then would they set off for Chernobyl. So, all the procedures followed the law. Yet, the time they had to serve there was way too long."

- Ad-hoc structure manned with a leadership cadre (my estimate) of officers from active duty technical formations placed on special command assignments. These would be individual reservists called up and assigned by platoon, company and battalion according to their files. This would of course be according to law and emergency decree. Special equipment, vehicles, and materials issued, and also loaded on troop trains. After some quick refresher training at a technical proving ground, they were sent into the zone possibly for the duration. Someone needed to remove all the contaminated soil and take it to specific dump sites, then pour concrete to help seal the surfaces.

SJWs always lie, including creators and producers. SJWs are never unhappy with breaking someone else's eggs to make omelet. I would not be surprised about orders to shoot or poison feral pets, to avoid contamination in camps. Make an emotional cause and appeal out of the military necessity to shoot stray dogs looking for a new pack of humans to join. Of course the Russians are still inhuman and kill puppies, and we need a war, because feelz!

Blogger VD June 08, 2019 7:43 AM  

Not in residential areas, but elsewhere is neither confirmed nor denied.

That's not correct. Elsewhere is confirmed and it makes sense. They wouldn't care if the animals sickened and died in the residential areas, the reason for hunting them outside the residential areas is to prevent them from wandering outside the exclusion zone.

With regards to the young boy, the point the general was making was that the psychological drama in that episode was fake. There is a massive emotional difference between middle-aged men hunting infected wildlife in the woods and a young boy being forced to kill puppies and kittens in a kitchen.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 08, 2019 7:47 AM  

"Every single time", pretty much, left wing Jews are having a meltdown, I'm racking my average IQ to come up with a snappy name for it.

Bad news these left wing jews occupy strategic choke points in the West, worse news the supposed right wing jews that we like to think of as adults have nothing on their minds except more war overseas.

Blogger Clay June 08, 2019 7:48 AM  

I know this is OT, Vox, but I notice your book list on the sidebar, "A History of the Peninsular War, Vol. I" Interesting. Battles people don't know about. At least, non-Europeans. All leading up to the ultimate defeat of Napoleon.

Blogger Johnny June 08, 2019 7:54 AM  

The slant. That's all. Everybody does. It's just some people do it maliciously. And at times it breaks through to outright lying. Worse now than it used to be, it would seem.

In the movie, In Search of the Holy Grail, they had a nice take on the way things get presented theatrically. In one scene in the background they had some peasants piling up clods of mud with their hands. Well, why not?

Blogger Silent Draco June 08, 2019 7:59 AM  

@9. Point, VD. Correction accepted; I'll re-read or watch with more caffeine next. I hit dissonance between the young conscript and the 30-40 year old men called up in real life, and wandered astray from the lies shown.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 08, 2019 8:33 AM  

""Every single time", pretty much, left wing Jews are having a meltdown"

Chosenoia.

If they were actually chosen they wouldn't need to worry, but since they know they aren't... paranoia.

Blogger Doug Cranmer June 08, 2019 8:42 AM  

Could someone explain in what sense the word wizardry is used here? I've seen it used before on this blog and have a jist of it but it's still unclear to me.

Blogger Xellos June 08, 2019 8:45 AM  

>Craig Mazin
Hearing some echoes there...

Doug Cranmer wrote:Could someone explain in what sense the word wizardry is used here?
Think Saruman.

Blogger Ska_Boss June 08, 2019 9:06 AM  

Fear porn for the masses, gotta keep the bread and circus going.

Blogger binks webelf June 08, 2019 9:17 AM  

Since things always have a "higher purpose" in SJW-world, I wonder if this almost 35-year old story is a kidney-punch to the nuclear industry, now that solar & wind are being shown to be minor, supplementary, and grossly overhyped & overpriced? You know, in addition to Russia-bashing.

Mass-media is war by other means, after all.

Blogger Longtime Lurker June 08, 2019 9:17 AM  

@15: A wizard is someone who tries to control what you think by first controlling your perceptions. Guided imagery attracts Wizards for this reason. Guided imagery, like a movie, docudrama, or the TV news, tries to envelop the viewer in a fake reality that obscures or hides the truth or just simply misdirects the viewer's attention. Plato's Cave is the template. And God help us if they ever do invent the holodeck.

Blogger Anthea June 08, 2019 9:20 AM  

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Blogger Azimus June 08, 2019 9:48 AM  

When terrible things like Chernobyl happen, people take things into their own hands sometimes. I'm sure its true that no such orders to shoot pets were issued, but I'm also sure its true that the generals did not have complete control over their men at all times, and a few isolated events of say police protecting themselves from dogs can be blown up by the devastated owners to become soldiers sniping dogs in the streets. 20,000 reservists prowling all over the place executing orders simultaneously for something they have not been trained for and didn't want to experience could easily create dozens of incidents like this, reported through time by the victims, to form a pattern that looks like a policy to our eyes 40yrs later.

Blogger Nostromo June 08, 2019 10:22 AM  

Nervous armed men in a deadly environment, one can envision them coming upon a pack of roving dogs, and killing them, for their own good, and the mens safety. These things are forgiven. As a Federal Deputy Game Warden my dad would often kill feral dogs running loose on the base. Cats too. People who drop unwanted pets are cowardly scum, and deserve what happens to the pets, happen to them. If you can't give the pet away, man up, and kill it quickly.

Blogger flyingtiger June 08, 2019 10:26 AM  

I read Frederick's Pohl's novel about Chernobyl in the 80's. Chernobyl was a science fiction like event so it was daring to write so soon after the incident. How accurate is this book?

Blogger Nate June 08, 2019 10:36 AM  

damn. that is irritating as hell.

Blogger Clay June 08, 2019 11:15 AM  

I just learned that a very good friend from Arkansas died last night. We had many discussions about the ironclad wars. So, not to let Dean down, educate yourselves:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Arkansas

Blogger Gen. Kong June 08, 2019 11:27 AM  

Akulkis wrote:
i never understood the soviet union, and the mass murder of Russians, and Ukrainians, until i realized that the Russian government had been hijacked by (((Lenin))) and a bunch of (((New Yorkers))). Likewise, I couldn't understan why so many Jews who had come from Russia, Ukraine, etc. during the 1920's through 1950's were always spying for the Soviet Union and trying to get congress to unilaterally disarm in the face of the flagrant acts of "exporting revolution" all over the planet and the soviet government's policy of not even referring to the United States by name, but instead calling us, "the main adversary."

I now realize that all of that activity wasn't to benefit Russia, it was for the benefit of the (((hijackers))) who despise the Russians, and enslaved them when they weren't murdering them.


It is a primary reason why Koba the Dread is much admired by the Russians to this day, despite being a Georgian thug. He largely overthrew the (((hijackers))) - murderous as he was. Not a few ended up in the ditches during the 1930s purges of party ranks. He double-crossed the (((Banksteins))) who bankrolled the Bolshevik overthrow of the 1917 Provisional Government and even had their boy (((Trotsky))) sent to his eternal reward. The only mistake was not to expel literally all of (((them))). That's how the (((Oligarchs))) arose in the wake of the 1990 implosion of the Soviet Union to initiate the decade of looting and strip-mining.

While there are at least two or three samizdat translations of Solzhenitsyn's final great opus Two Hundred Years Together available online, the "official" one remains blocked from publication in the supposedly "free" Rotten Banana Empire. Instead we now have de-facto loyalty oaths to a foreign country imposed by various state governments under (((their))) control. Spawn of Satan. Every. Single. Time.

Blogger sammibandit June 08, 2019 12:12 PM  

Chernobyl is in Kiev Oblast. It's no surprise jews are still obsessed with showing the people of Ukraine and Russia near the Ukraine border as monsters.

Blogger Clay June 08, 2019 1:56 PM  

What's the deal with all these triple parentheses with words? I guess I'm just behind the times.

Blogger Anthea June 08, 2019 2:06 PM  

When Fukushima happened the residents were forced to evacuate without telling the people the truth about the radiation from the damaged reactors and that they would never be able to return home again. The Japanese people thought they would return home, and therefore, left their pets behind. The animals that were confined inside houses or barns died of starvation, the free-roaming animals survived. Cats formed colonies in the woods, dogs became wolf packs and hunted and ate smaller animals and wild life, as did the cats. Animal Groups would often sneak back into the No-Go Zone to rescue some of the pets, or leave them some food. I remember watching a video of one of the workers from the nuclear reactor dressed in his full-bodied protective suit, standing outside in the grass, overlooking the reactor, and at his feet was a friendly, fluffy calico cat rubbing against his leg like cats do when they're happy to see you and want to be fed. I always wondered what happened to that cat. I followed several blogs from these Animal Rescue Groups, and from what I understand, the Japanese government did not go in and kill wandering pets or wild life within the No-Go Zone. What does this say about the Japanese vs the Russians? Today, the forests and deserted villages of Chernobyl are flourishing with wildlife.

Blogger Clay June 08, 2019 2:14 PM  

Wild hogs, no doubt. Those nasty creatures are a resemblance to cockroaches.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2019 2:28 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:Could someone explain in what sense the word wizardry is used here? I've seen it used before on this blog and have a jist of it but it's still unclear to me.
Wizards are people who try to "speak a new reality into being." It's Owen Benjamin's term for Leftie rhetoriticians, and it fits very well.

Blogger Manuel June 08, 2019 2:32 PM  

Did anyone catch that a recent House hearing, Congressman Cohen omitted the "so help me God" at the end of swearing in the witnesses?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/democrats-remove-so-help-me-god-from-house-committee-oaths

Cohen. Judeo-Christian. Cohen>Kohannim, i.e. the priests i.e. the (((wizards))).

Blogger Damn the torpedos June 08, 2019 3:54 PM  

Docu-dramas are a (((writers))) wet dream.

Cast Robert Redford and connect the film to an actual dated event, the rest is like magic! You can say literally anything and people will subconsciously accept it as historically accurate.

Blogger sammibandit June 08, 2019 4:08 PM  

By that logic anyone with the surname Hass, Hase, Haas is a jewish Hasdai priest. Not everyone with a jew-ish sounding last name is jewish.

That Cohen probably is jewish but come on.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2019 4:19 PM  

sammibandit wrote:That Cohen probably is jewish but come on.
Cohen and Katz are the quintessentially Jewish surnames. In America at least, you will never meet a person named Cohen or Kat who is not Jewish.

Blogger Manuel June 08, 2019 4:22 PM  

That Cohen is Jewish. Grandson of immigrants. https://infogalactic.com/info/Steve_Cohen
Is Removing God from oaths another Western/Judeo-Christian value?

Blogger S1AL June 08, 2019 4:25 PM  

Yup. Only "exception" would be converts, depending on whether "Jewish" is religious or ethnic on days that end in 'y'.

Blogger tublecane June 08, 2019 4:32 PM  

"Every single time," yes. I go in expecting to face lies. But they're not always the same lies, and the circumstances in this case made for good drama at least.

Had I watched a t.v. movie on Chernobyl in 1995, I would have expected Gorby to be a good guy, more potshots at Reagan, and generally much, much thicker anti-nuclear and environmentalist propaganda. Nowadays, I would expect to trudge through a swamp of Muh Russia. But there's not an excess of that. And I think the Soviets come off looking okay. Even the KGB is portrayed as reasonable.

Blogger sammibandit June 08, 2019 9:16 PM  

>Cohen and Katz are the quintessentially Jewish surnames. In America at least, you will never meet a person named Cohen or Kat who is not Jewish.

I've met Conneys, Kuhns and Kuns who aren't but let's be real, those aren't Cohens. Just cognates. Katz (pronounced like the a takes an umlaut) is very jewish. A jewish Katz owns an Albertan hockey team.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2019 11:10 PM  

Katz is just another type of Cohen. The name is an abbreviation of Kohen Tzadok or priest of the line of Zadok.
But the name occurs organically in Germany, taken from the Berg Katz, a castle located in the Rhineland. I'm not aware of any other derivation of the name Cohen than a claim to the Temple priesthood.

Blogger Ralf June 09, 2019 7:09 AM  

"Once I saw the soldiers go into an abandoned village and begin shooting. The helpless cries of the animals.." From the book "Chernobyl Prayer" book is great and suppose to be real memories.

Blogger DonReynolds June 09, 2019 7:37 AM  

During the Cold War, a number of American school children were asked a simple question...."Why do we plant trees along the roadside?"

The children had more than a dozen good reasons why trees should be planted along the roadside. It improves the view. It provides shade. It is a good windbreak. It provides a habitat for birds and other animals. It provides food for wildlife. It helps with soil erosion. All very positive reasons.

Then the question was changed slightly ...."Why do Russians plant trees along the roadside?" Again, the children had any number of reasons. To hide the view of the motorists. To cause accidents. To conceal the slave labor. To hide the dead bodies. To keep people out. To hide the mass graves of innocent people. To prevent animal migration. To cause forest fires.

Blogger Scott June 09, 2019 7:40 AM  

Well, at one time the Jews WERE the chosen people, but they lost that status when most Jews rejected the Messiah. As Jesus himself said, "The kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to another people who shall bear the fruits thereof." I may be paraphrasing a bit, but the implication is clear. All Christians are now God's chosen people. The Jews forfeited that status by their actions.

Blogger Scott June 09, 2019 7:44 AM  

It's a way to refer to the Jews without triggering censorship from leftists, mostly.

Blogger RC June 09, 2019 8:32 AM  

@Clay (((jew)))

Blogger sammibandit June 09, 2019 10:20 AM  

>Katz is just another type of Cohen. The name is an abbreviation of Kohen Tzadok or priest of the line of Zadok.
But the name occurs organically in Germany, taken from the Berg Katz, a castle located in the Rhineland. I'm not aware of any other derivation of the name Cohen than a claim to the Temple priesthood.

Thanks. This is all terribly confusing. Those other names I mentioned are just cognates for the word rabbit.

Blogger justaguy June 09, 2019 4:15 PM  

There was a concerted effort right after the USSR fell to get the information on what happened at Chernobyl. The Russians were quite forcoming in the first few years about lots of topics/access to archives. What HBO showed, while entertaining, and useful to show how the USSR lied enough to prevent effective actions, much was just bunk to scare witless Americans into thinking nuclear power is evil and can't be controlled.

All that said, nuclear power does need extensive regulation and oversight so that we do not build unstable reactors like the one in the USSR, and have enough trained engineers to manage/run the plants. (Before TMI, there wasn't a requirement to have an engineer on the site. The technicians did everything wrong for quite a while and then finally called the engineer (an ex Navy nuke engineer) who told them exactly what was wrong and how to fix it. They ignored him.)

Blogger Avalanche June 12, 2019 10:54 AM  

Interesting, from:https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2019/06/nuclear-meltdown-at-hbo.html
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First of all, let us point out that HBO and Sky are but minor divisions within two vast mass media conglomerates, WarnerMedia (worth $85.4 billion) and Comcast (worth $187 billion). If this miniseries were a Russian propaganda exercise, ordered by the Kremlin, then it would have been made by state-owned entities VGTRK and First Channel; but the US (and its British subsidiary) are run by an oligarchy which carries out its propaganda exercises through private corporate entities. Nevertheless, it is still a propaganda exercise, and it is very interesting to ask, What is being propagandized, and for what purpose?

The screenplay appears to have been based on the book Chernobyl Prayer by Svetlana Alexievich, a Belarussian fiction writer who writes in Russian. Although Wikipedia claims her to be an investigative journalist and historian, her real genre is historical fantasy of the tendentiously anti-Russian macabre variety. It works well on those who enjoy having their negative emotions manipulated and not at all on those who enjoy a balanced perspective and objectivity. You know, one self-important lady-writer’s senseless, bloody mayhem could also be construed as altruistic acts of patriotic heroism by men whose sacrifices have built and preserved the great Russian nation. Oh, but Alexievich isn’t even a Russian; she has just been borrowing Russia’s language and culture to make a bit of money.

Another one of her books was on the Afghan conflict and has been widely discredited by those who took actually took part in it. She wrote it after just a 20-day visit to Kabul five months before the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, and it was a fabrication pretty much from beginning to end. But Russophobia pays (in the West) and Alexievich has been awarded the Nobel prize in literature (which has been highly politicized all along).
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