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Tuesday, June 25, 2019

(((Dennis Prager))) is a shameless liar

The intensity of the ongoing neoclown campaign against Western nationalism and the shamelessness with which they are attempting to redefine the perfectly straightforward concepts of "nationalism" and "Western civilization" indicates that they know they are on their way out. Again. In his recent column, (((Dennis Prager))) offers the precise opposite of "clarity" about nationalism:
Nationalism is beautiful when it involves commitment to an essentially decent nation and when it welcomes other people’s commitment to their nations. Nationalism is evil when it is used to celebrate an evil regime, when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others and when it denigrates all other national commitments.

One should add that nationalism is evil when it celebrates race, but that is not nationalism; it is racism. Nationalism and racism may be conjoined, as German Nazism did. But they are not definitionally related. While some Americans have conjoined American nationalism with race (such as the Confederacy, the Ku Klux Klan and currently various fringe “white identity” movements), American nationalism, based as it is on the motto “e pluribus unum” (“out of many, one”), by definition includes Americans of all races and ethnicities. That is how conservatives define American nationalism. I have never met a conservative who defined American national identity as definitionally “white.”
Notice the way in which the horrifically deceptive devil's son completely omits both the most relevant definition of nationalism from the dictionary as well as its etymological roots. He is truly of his father, the deceiver.

the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.

Nationalism is, by logic, linguistics, and definition, a subset of racism because nation is a subset of race. The only "nationalism" that is not intrinsically related to race is civic nationalism, which is not nationalism at all, but an ersatz paperwork substitute for it.

The irony, of course, is that these neoclowns are attempting to destroy American nationalism in the interests of their own nation. They are pure and unmitigated evil, all the more so for their attempt to disguise themselves as intellectual wolves in sheep's clothing. But they are not particularly bright intellectual wolves, as it is more than a little amusing to see how (((Prager)))'s own definition of evil nationalism obviously applies to the Jewish variety.


UPDATE: Phelps points out that (((Prager))) also lies about "e pluribus unum".

This is an ABSOLUTE lie. It never meant, "out of many races", it explicitly meant "out of many states, one confederation." That is why it is the United STATES, not United Races.

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Blogger McChuck June 25, 2019 11:04 AM  

"when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others and when it denigrates all other national commitments."

Any nation which does not consider itself superior to all others is not long for this world.

The only necessary commitment by a nation is to the nation itself. All other commitments are tactics and strategy to advance and improve the nation.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 25, 2019 11:05 AM  

All the words related to nation that are explicitly related to birth, family, blood, etc.

The Spanish word for being born is nacir. The past tense, "was born", is nació. Natal means birth, "née" denotes a woman's maiden name, etc.

It's very clear where the word nation comes from. Just drop the n from the English word and you get the Latin root, to be born.

Total lies from Dennis Prager. Now I just have to get my mom to stop listening to him.

Blogger Jay June 25, 2019 11:09 AM  

What a shamelessly fork-tongued jew. By Prager's own definition his Zionism is the most evil nationalism as it celebrates a race that considers itself the 'chosen people' of their god. Maybe he's simply projecting.

Blogger SB71 June 25, 2019 11:13 AM  

"One should add that nationalism is evil when it celebrates race ..."

Thus Israel is the most inherently racist nation on earth, Dennis? Ipso facto?

Blogger Nation-Deprived June 25, 2019 11:14 AM  

One can only imagine the stomping that would take place if Benny or Prager ever had to endure an actual debate on nationalism. They rely so hard on being gatekeepers, engaging only with their friends and moronic SJWs.

Blogger doctrev June 25, 2019 11:20 AM  

I'd say the Swiss count as a nation, even two major language groups nonetheless co-exist. There has to be some tie between language and race, otherwise why would someone abandon their language and nation in favor of another? If it is even possible? That is how different people can get along in a nation, which means Swiss nationalism can't necessarily be a subset of racism.

That's purely an intellectual disagreement, though, and the easiest way to dismiss Prager is to say "If I can deliver his take without having to hear it first, will you agree to stop listening to him?" He's truly mediocre.

Blogger Mystic On Main June 25, 2019 11:22 AM  

"The irony, of course, is that these neoclowns are attempting to destroy American nationalism in the interests of their own nationalism"

Well, it needs to be said that "American Nationalism" in the sense being used here was destroyed with the Civil War. Say what you will about the history of American Immigration laws up until 1965, the fact is that non-white integration as a matter of policy began with the crushing of the Confederacy.

The fight to retain a antebellum definition of American Nationalism in a way seems like a somewhat quaint embrace of nostalgia. Turning around 150 years of history isn't a viable project.

Blogger Dos Voltz June 25, 2019 11:29 AM  

Years ago ACE of SPADES HQ was my favorite blog, but now there are guest bloggers and moderators there who are nothing but hasbara propagandists. They will ban you in a New York second for simply posing a question. I now only check in there occasionally. Ace still possesses wit, but the site overall is way too Boomerific for me these days.

Today they have this article by Prager up as a feature. And another by a Rabbi who attempts to dispel the "myth" that there was ever a place or people called Palestine.

This blog supplanted Ace long ago as my #1 site for politics and the culture wars. I start every day here. Thank you, Vox for your clarity on these and other issues. You are truly a stand-out.

Blogger Richard Holmes June 25, 2019 11:30 AM  

Ok, I get what y'all are saying. But I have a question or questions, this isn't a challenge.

The question(s) that come up in my head then:

If Nationalism is gaining steam in this country, what does this mean? The races separating?
Will the USA be carved up into a bunch of smaller countries? Would these separate countries confederate? Become a union? Or stay separate and encounter endless wars on what was once America?

No? If we wouldn't separate because I don't believe the minorities would just leave when they have been granted citizenship. Wouldn't nationalism end? Wouldn't that movement then be dead in its tracks?

Or would it take a different form?

Because it seems more and more people are going with nationalism in this country. I think it very well could to lead to a racial civil war. Or am I off base?

Blogger FUBARwest June 25, 2019 11:31 AM  

Their words and actions would be shockingly stupid if they weren't so predictable. How many times does it take for people to learn doing the same actions will lead to the same results? 109 and counting.

Blogger Phelps June 25, 2019 11:35 AM  

American nationalism, based as it is on the motto “e pluribus unum” (“out of many, one”), by definition includes Americans of all races and ethnicities.



This is an ABSOLUTE lie. It never meant, "out of many races", it explicitly meant "out of many states, one confederation." That is why it is the United STATES, not United Races.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 25, 2019 11:37 AM  

No comment section available.

Figures.

Professional liars NEVER allow responses to be posted to their lies.

Blogger VD June 25, 2019 11:44 AM  

Will the USA be carved up into a bunch of smaller countries? Would these separate countries confederate?

Yes. No, but there will be short-term military alliances.

I think it very well could to lead to a racial civil war.

There will be war, but it won't be civil and it won't be limited to racial divides.

Blogger Longtime Lurker June 25, 2019 11:47 AM  

Civic nationalism is like processed food. Fake. Even if it does taste good to some people.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 25, 2019 11:47 AM  

Dennis Prager self-refutes. His mere presence causes him to write such ridiculous stuff. Multiculturalism fail. Magic dirt fail. He needs to be deported to his own homeland.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 25, 2019 11:48 AM  

BTW... That websites tries to capture keystrokes when replying to a comment.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia June 25, 2019 11:49 AM  

Isn't it a requirement to be a liar that you have to KNOW you're lying?

I bet Prager believes every word he says.

Blogger Balam June 25, 2019 11:50 AM  

Richard Holmes wrote:If Nationalism is gaining steam in this country, what does this mean?

The blog has talked about looking at Yugoslavia, the Soviet breakup and the fall of the Roman Empire.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/03/clutter-and-clean-cycles.html
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/04/mailvox-what-about-meeeee.html
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/02/magic-dirt-fail-byzantine-edition.html

Hopefully these posts will give some context as to what's going to happen.

Blogger Johnny Reb June 25, 2019 11:55 AM  

Ouch, that was harsh but I reckon he deserved it. It sure is a long way from the WNDish days when I think you said he was a good man but maybe not the brightest theist bulb in the box. I certainly have come around, probably not as harsh as I should be but our culture does its best to beat that out of you. I reckon he deserved a bitch slap though. Seems to me this this is a bigger problem with races with high cohesion. Good in their nation, horrible in others. So in that vein, how do you approach living in Italy? Do you refuse to do anything on a political level? I think you've said you people should not be allowed to vote till the third generation. Seems like good advice. However, having lived and worked in nations shortly after the iron curtain fell I've seen the influence outsiders have. Even if they're not actively trying, they're still, even incrementally changing it. So again, I would ask. How do you approach it?

Blogger Alexamenos June 25, 2019 11:57 AM  

I was just now commenting on this piece at Townhall. It's a bunch of hot air surrounding the one point Prager intends to make clear:

Nationalism is fine as long as it's not white nationalism.




Blogger VD June 25, 2019 12:03 PM  

I bet Prager believes every word he says.

"Nationalism is evil when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others."

"Prager went on to explain how everything he now does in his career as a broadcaster, writer and commentator are informed by his Jewish roots and the Yeshiva education he received as a young man growing up in Brooklyn."

"We have so much to teach, so much to share, so much light to shine upon a world that needs it – perhaps now more than ever before."

Blogger OneWingedShark June 25, 2019 12:08 PM  

“One should add that nationalism is evil when it celebrates race”
Huh, that's just weird: I should like a world where England celebrated the English race, Japan celebrates the Japanese race, Egypt celebrates the Egyptian race, America celebrates the American race, etc.

It would be far better than the bizzaro-world where foreigners are praised and preferred over citizens. (e.g. H1Bs)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 12:10 PM  

Nationalism is evil ... when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others and when it denigrates all other national commitments.

How's that "Chosen People" thing working out for you there, Dennis?

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 25, 2019 12:16 PM  

it explicitly meant "out of many states, one confederation."

I don't think he can even claim ignorance on that one. We learned that in grade school, for cripes sake.

Blogger Cobrates June 25, 2019 12:16 PM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:Isn't it a requirement to be a liar that you have to KNOW you're lying?

I bet Prager believes every word he says.



People who really believe in what they says don't run away from people who question their beliefs - that's what people who don't believe in what they say do.

Blogger Warunicorn June 25, 2019 12:19 PM  

Man, the virtue-signaling from Prager...talk about a lack of self-awareness...

Blogger anorganicbear June 25, 2019 12:20 PM  

Not surprising from a jew who "converted" to Christianity and now sells a line of Talmudically-inspired study bibles.

Blogger Raker_T June 25, 2019 12:20 PM  

Interesting the timing, just this morning I was reading 2 Corinthians 11:3 "...as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty..."
Immediately, one group of crafty people came to mind.

Blogger Argus Bacchus June 25, 2019 12:21 PM  

"American nationalism, based as it is on the motto “e pluribus unum” (“out of many, one”), by definition includes Americans of all races and ethnicities. That is how conservatives define American nationalism."

Well, then the way conservatives (i.e., Civic Nationalist cucks) define American Nationalism has nothing to do with what the term actually signified when it was originally used.

As Phelps correctly pointed out, it is a reference to the original 13 colonies uniting, and had nothing whatsoever to do with different races or ethnicities "coming together."

The fact that the Naturalization Act of 1790, the first statute in the United States to codify naturalization law, restricted citizenship to "any alien, being a free white person" who had been in the U.S. for two years is bad news to those who would believe Prager's expected distortions.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 25, 2019 12:22 PM  

"We have so much to teach, so much to share, so much light to shine upon a world that needs it – perhaps now more than ever before."

Every single time. How could we possibly refuse such benevolence from such advanced beings?

Blogger xevious2030 June 25, 2019 12:22 PM  

That physical separation of groups of peoples, over time, producing differing sets of heritable physical traits from elsewhere, is understood and currently generally accepted. That such separation and differing environmental stressors would have similar tendencies in heritable behavioral traits is not even a leap, it is part in parcel. Denying that latter part is the glue of civic nationalism.

Nations arising out of these differing traits would create differing patterns of stability and conflict/conflict resolution, among other heritable behaviorally influenced cognitive patterns. Providing differing levels of stability for groups sharing social, economic, and governmental systems of organization.

Blogger DonReynolds June 25, 2019 12:23 PM  

It must be easy for Dennis, since he is consistent, and I guess it would be because the maff is so simple. Every number is exactly equal to all other numbers for egalitarians.

Civic nationalists are no different from the rest of the Leftists because they are all egalitarian, which disqualifies them from being conservative, by any definition, and anyone who is not also egalitarian (to them) is awful, and cruel, and mean, and wrong....and the worst thing they can think of, which must be Nazi Germany. Only in this way could anybody equate the Confederacy with Nazi Germany or to elevate the KKK to being a nation.

So Dennis wants the rest of the Leftists to know that the civic nationalists are egalitarians too, so it is OK to negotiate with them, and they can paint anyone who is not egalitarian as the enemy. The only thing the civic nationalists have to compromise with the Leftists is personal income tax rates for the wealthy and corporate private property.

Yes, Dennis....I am your enemy and always have been and we both know it.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 25, 2019 12:34 PM  

Warunicorn wrote:Man, the virtue-signaling from Prager...talk about a lack of self-awareness...

NO. Gate-keeping, not virtue-signalling.
anorganicbear wrote:Not surprising from a jew who "converted" to Christianity and now sells a line of Talmudically-inspired study bibles.

He's not a Christian. He didn't convert. He's a Jew.

Why is it that so many of these people are Jews? This cannot be an accident. Now we know why Hitler made them wear identifying stars and why the Jews resented it so much. After all if everyone knows you are a Jew, nobody will listen to you. Though, to be fair, he never hides his being a Jew from people.

Blogger Richard Holmes June 25, 2019 12:36 PM  

Yes. No, but there will be short-term military alliances.

There will be war, but it won't be civil and it won't be limited to racial divides. - VD


Alliances, Not civil wars. Not racial divides..... Interesting.

Thanks for answering. This brings one more question to mind. Would the USA be the main place that WWIII be fought then? Because Russia, China, Europe wouldn't be able to stay out of it. Or would WWIII be started by the present Federal Government to avoid said scenario?

Ok, that's more then one question.

Blogger boogeyman June 25, 2019 12:43 PM  

The civic nationalist have swallowed whole Brietbart axiom "politics is down stream of culture." I believe this can be used against them by adding to it in the following way, "politics is down stream of culture, and culture is down stream of demographics."

It's a round about way of making the no magic dirt argument, but since it's attached to an idea they already believe they'll have a harder time dismissing it. Or maybe I'm full of it. Thoughts?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 12:45 PM  

boogeyman wrote:"politics is down stream of culture, and culture is down stream of demographics."
This is true, but I'm not sure how much impact it would make on people who are emotionally tied to egalitarianism.

Blogger Ryan June 25, 2019 12:46 PM  

Bill Kristol is downright angry that we aren't at war.

what did we learn in Vietnam and Iraq?

Blogger Gregory the Great June 25, 2019 12:48 PM  

Disgusting brain twisting wizardry!

If you are a race living in a nation you have no right to nationalism because it is then racist.

If you think your nation is superior to other nations because it is "essentially decent" you have no right to nationalism because it is chauvinist.

If you want to fight for your nation, but have an evil ruler, you should lay down your arms until the bad guy passes away because if a bad man is for a good thing the good thing stops being good.

Blogger sammibandit June 25, 2019 12:53 PM  

A lot of words to just say "I hate WASPs".

Blogger Jeroth June 25, 2019 12:58 PM  

They have use chutzpah extremely well, but eventually people catch on. It might take a while, but they always catch on. The analogies to debt (another one of their favorite tools) is very interesting.

Blogger Nation-Deprived June 25, 2019 12:58 PM  

Oh come now, surely he means to share the Good News, and to shine the Light of Christ upon the world that needs it!

Right?

Blogger Patrick Kelly June 25, 2019 12:59 PM  

"Russia, China, Europe wouldn't be able to stay out of it. "

Why not?

I think they've learned from the US bad example of poking wasp nests across the globe. Or maybe they already had a better sense of history and their national interests. The US is the new empire on the block, and it's falling off balance.



Blogger One Deplorable DT June 25, 2019 1:04 PM  

So...Prager supports Open Borders for Israel. Right?

Blogger Frank Spank June 25, 2019 1:04 PM  

Why would the tiny hats encourage the dilution of the west? To buy an extra fifty years before the European caliphate nuclear bums them? I don't understand. Help a mid-nigga out yo.

Blogger billo June 25, 2019 1:05 PM  

I think the problem is not that people lie as much as that the ideas of "nation," "race," and even "culture" are so fungible. I suspect that Mr. Day and Mr. Prager define nation differently, not that either is "lying" when they use the term.

When I ask someone who starts opining about the "white" race who, exactly, is included and excluded, I get a different list almost every time. And each of these people is absolutely convinced that *his* list is the correct one, and everyone else is wrong. Who knew, for instance, that the Celts were (and are) not "white" to many folk? Those Irish,eh. Or the Slavs. Or Semitic folk. Or Gypsies. Or Visigoths/Latinos. Spanish people are white, but Argentinians are not. Blue-eyed Mexicans are white, but brown-eyed Mexicans are not.

Similarly, only their definition of nation is right. When did did the Roman empire stop becoming a "nation?" When it started making Syrians and Arabs emperors? When the Visigoths started running the show?

And only their classifications of cultures is right. And only their classification of religions is right. Catholics are Christian, but Baptists are not. Anglicans are Christian, but Catholics are not. Seventh Day Adventists are Christian, but Latter Day Saints are not. Charismatic Lutherans are Christian, but Pentacostals are not.

When, as all right thinking people know, it's *my* definitions that are correct.

Blogger billo June 25, 2019 1:14 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:Huh, that's just weird: I should like a world where England celebrated the English race...

... but not the Scots or the Welsh?

Blogger Shimshon June 25, 2019 1:17 PM  

"I suspect that Mr. Day and Mr. Prager define nation differently, not that either is "lying" when they use the term."

This is true. There was a blog post not too long ago, where (((we))) were discussing our collective understanding of our nation, and it angered more than a few here, saying it flat-out contradicted their own view of "nation" (and was therefore wrong).

Prager's view of our nationhood is itself heterodox, but his view of America is clearly derived from our understanding of our own nationality, as filtered through the American civnat pabulum he imbibed in his youth. That doesn't excuse Prager's desire to destroy his hosts. Or his allegedly good intentions. He's also a Boomer. It's axiomatic.

Blogger Jeroth June 25, 2019 1:17 PM  

@45 That's a lot of words to skirt around the fact that Prager and his tribe are foreigners in a foreign land. And as such, they shouldn't be telling the natives how to define themselves.

Blogger VD June 25, 2019 1:25 PM  

"I suspect that Mr. Day and Mr. Prager define nation differently, not that either is "lying" when they use the term."

Prager is definitely lying. And Prager's definition of nation is inconsistent from one nation to another. He won't play the race-religion game with Christianity. Note that in religious terms, America has always been more of a Christian nation than Israel has ever been a Jewish one.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 1:28 PM  

billo wrote:I suspect that Mr. Day and Mr. Prager define nation differently,
Undoubtedly
not that either is "lying" when they use the term.
Undoubtedly false. His (((people))) call themselves a nation all the time. He knows what it means. His dishonesty is even more apparent when he redefines E pluribus unum. Prager cannot possibly believe what he claims. It's ludicrous on it's face. He's just hoping the White Conservative idiots who listen to him will buy it.
Don't impute honesty to a know and demonstrable liar.

billo wrote:... but not the Scots or the Welsh?
You've never talked with anyone English about the Sots or the Welsh then? No, they don't celebrate them. They despise them as drunken sheep-shagging morons with no particular redeeming qualities.

billo wrote:When did did the Roman empire stop becoming a "nation?" When it started making Syrians and Arabs emperors? When the Visigoths started running the show?
When it became an empire. Empires are not, definitionally, nations. And even a cursory study of history will show that empire is the ruin of every nation that tries it. Either the other nations around them destroy them, or they succeed and become a cosmopolitan empire, and eventually replace themselves in their own home.
Greece, Rome, England, France, Germany, Russia, America. Some nations recover, to some extent, after sufficient time.

Blogger Joe June 25, 2019 1:34 PM  

"Nationalism is beautiful when it involves commitment to an essentially decent nation and when it welcomes other people’s commitment to their nations. "

He literally defines nationalism as globalism. Liar, indeed.

Blogger Rex Leroy King June 25, 2019 1:38 PM  

Nation of vipers.

Blogger peacefulposter June 25, 2019 1:41 PM  

Cowboys Nation bleeds blue and silver.

Blogger billo June 25, 2019 1:44 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:You've never talked with anyone English about the Sots or the Welsh then? No, they don't celebrate them. They despise them as drunken sheep-shagging morons with no particular redeeming qualities.



Oh, I have spent some time there. And that's my point.

So, England, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland, and Manx are "nations" but the UK is not a "nation"?

Blogger Alexamenos June 25, 2019 1:49 PM  

Why is it that so many of these people are Jews?
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I don't dismiss the possibility that they are following the protocols, but I think there's another parsimonious explanation -- they are capable merchants exploiting a favorable market niche.

Conservatism is made up three constituent groups:

1) Donors and Lobbyists for cheap labor;
2) Multi-level marketing, click-baity, con-artist hucksters and grifters;
3) Gullible white boomers.

If a person has the verbal acuity to craft a message that supports the interests of cheap labor donors and also causes boomer conservative vaginas to tingle then that person may have a very happy home in that middle group.

Being a Republican party scam artist is just a good niche for jews. They don't have any particular affinity or loyalty to boomer cons, so it's probably fun for them.

I think a bigger mystery is why every donut shop in the us is run by little Asian women. That makes no sense to me.

Blogger Garret Garland June 25, 2019 1:50 PM  

Prager’s logic is so fundamentally flawed. Its obvious that he is not just wrong but that he's lying.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 1:55 PM  

billo wrote:So, England, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland, and Manx are "nations" but the UK is not a "nation"?
Precisely. Well, except Cornwall, which was over-run with Welsh and English during the Victorian mining boom and scarcely has any national identity left. Mann, while part of the Crown holdings, is not part of the UK.
The UK is not a nation. It is an empire. This is implicit in its very name.

Blogger sammibandit June 25, 2019 1:59 PM  

Danes still fancy Mann as their own.

Blogger billo June 25, 2019 2:02 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:recisely. Well, except Cornwall, which was over-run with Welsh and English during the Victorian mining boom and scarcely has any national identity left. Mann, while part of the Crown holdings, is not part of the UK.

The UK is not a nation. It is an empire. This is implicit in its very name


So, anybody who writes about the UK being a nation is "lying" because your definition of "nation" excludes it? UK "nationalists" who consider the UK their "nation" are not really nationalists?

Blogger xevious2030 June 25, 2019 2:07 PM  

“Would the USA be the main place that WWIII be fought then?”

The first part is, does the US retain control of its nukes, and if so, is it unified control or divided, and what are the willingness situations for the control to use them. The second is the depth of the collapse, and the divisions. And the third is the relationship that is maintained outside the US. US meaning whatever is resultant within the current territory, country, at the various points in time.

The short answer is probably not WWIII, in the sense of major powers going to war with one another. There is the chance that the chaos (vacuum) of a reduction in US actions abroad might be capitalized on for military conquest by major powers, but Russia and China are already poised to fill the vacuum as superpowers to offer alliance for stability. Casualty list would probably be Pakistan and a portion of India, to China, if Pakistan and India go all out at one another. Nepal. What has become Kosova. Ukraine. Bosphorus straits. Iraq. Whites in South Africa. Maybe Alaska. Sardinia. Corsica. Sicily. A Warsaw pact, including Italy, might come into play, as Europe could be somewhat flooded by refugees from Africa. Most of the rest would probably be isolated conflict/border issues, due to the lifting of stability that artificially forced peoples under regimes. Probably a number of regime changes. Wars in the world, not a World War. All hypotheticals, low certainty, but desirable areas for conflict.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 25, 2019 2:09 PM  

To buy an extra fifty years before the European caliphate nuclear bums them?

They don't look 50 years ahead. Also, they fully expect that they could make themselves useful to a caliphate just as they have so many other hosts in the past, including Moorish Spain. The idea that Jews and Muslims are mortal enemies is a fairy tale for Christians.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 2:10 PM  

billo wrote:So, anybody who writes about the UK being a nation is "lying" because your definition of "nation" excludes it? UK "nationalists" who consider the UK their "nation" are not really nationalists?
Yes. What's so difficult about this? You ask these questions as though the answer were obviously false. They are obviously true. Is a Scot the same as an Englishman? Is an Irishman the same as a Scotsman? Of course not, so how do they differ? They differ in langauge, culture, history, custom, and religion. In other words, in nationality. The mere fact that they are ruled by the same (ethnically French and German) oligopoly doesn't make them brothers.

Don't be stupid.

Blogger sammibandit June 25, 2019 2:10 PM  

England itself is composed of several nations. Wiki lists the following that preceded unification.

Wessex
Sussex
Essex
Kent
Dumnonia
Mercia
East Anglia
Northumbria
Welsh Marches
Principality of Wales

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 2:11 PM  

And BTW, the only "UK" nationalists are the Scots-Irish in Ulster.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 2:13 PM  

sammibandit wrote:England itself is composed of several nations. Wiki lists the following that preceded unification.
Nations don't last forever, when they mix and match. Those identities have been lost. Strangely though, they do not list Yorkshire, which is a still separate national identity within England.

Blogger sammibandit June 25, 2019 2:19 PM  

Excellent point. I don't even know what Dumnoonia is and I took Old English and Viking history classes.

Blogger billo June 25, 2019 2:23 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Don't be stupid.

Yes, of course. Stupid. Who knew all those people considering themselves UK nationalists were all being so deceitful. They are very clever about it. I certainly didn't know they were all lying. That Boris Johnson is such as stinking globalist, neh? It's all so, well, inpenetrable.

'When I use a word,it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

'The question is whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is which is to be master — that's all.'

Blogger VD June 25, 2019 2:28 PM  

Yes, of course. Stupid. Who knew all those people considering themselves UK nationalists were all being so deceitful. They are very clever about it. I certainly didn't know they were all lying. That Boris Johnson is such as stinking globalist, neh? It's all so, well, inpenetrable.

You are being stupid. The Union of England and Scotland will not survive the next independence vote. It would not have survived the last one if Englishmen living in Scotland had not been permitted to vote.

Blogger Bucephalus June 25, 2019 2:38 PM  

There is literally zero proof that all of these ethnicities nationalities and religions can peacefully coexist Under one flag.People are at each other’s throat’s in this country and they keep pushing this bullshit. Real unity is commonality ,commonality of culture ,commonality of race yes in deed! Heritage and shared principles. How they can keep selling this line of garbage is just shameless. We’ve never been more Disconnected as a people.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 2:40 PM  

billo wrote:'The question is which is to be master — that's all.'
That is precisely the question, billo. You have chosen your master. He's a liar from the beginning.

Blogger Solon June 25, 2019 2:46 PM  

@17

Only if you don't believe in objective Truth.

If all truth is subjective to you, then no, you wouldn't be a liar to espouse your own version of the truth.

If there exists such a thing as Objective Truth (personal opinion: of course there's such a thing, don't be an idiot), then anything you said that opposes it is lying, regardless of whether you believe it or not.

Example: "the sky is green." It is, objectively, not green, but blue: there is a well-defined and commonly accepted word "blue" that people use to describe the color of the sky.

(((Prager))) and his ilk are trying to twist the definition of words in order to suit their own agenda. In effect, he is telling you that the sky is in fact green, and you only think it's blue because you're using the wrong definition of the word blue, and here, let me define for you the color blue: grass is blue. Thus, the sky is blue. See? Now we're all on the same page!

That feeling of rage boiling up in your gut once you see through the lies and deceptions? That feeling is why (((they))) have been kicked out of 109 countries, and counting.

Some of us, like me, live with that slowly boiling rage all day, every day.

Blogger Solon June 25, 2019 3:11 PM  

"Yes, of course. Stupid. Who knew all those people considering themselves UK nationalists were all being so deceitful. They are very clever about it. I certainly didn't know they were all lying. That Boris Johnson is such as stinking globalist, neh? It's all so, well, inpenetrable."

Not deceitful, just stupid, i.e. not knowing the definition of the word they're using ("nationalist"). They're not nationalists, they're statists, and that is a very different concept.

They mostly just want the Pajeets and Sundahars and Muhammeds and even the Ivans and Wladislaws out of their country (in this case, the UK). The finer details of separating Scots from Irish from Welsh can wait until the foreign invaders are repelled.

It's an alliance of convenience that falls under the blanket term "UK nationalism" despite not being actually nationalistic.

Sort of like "White nationalists" allying against colored people: there is no "White" nation, but everyone knows what is meant by the term white (the peoples descended from Europe).

Blogger R Webfoot June 25, 2019 3:14 PM  

"Isn't it a requirement to be a liar that you have to KNOW you're lying?

I bet Prager believes every word he says. "

I think what you are noticing is that it seems people like Dennis Prager are sincerely describing their subjective perspective. I submit to you that it is entirely possible for people to lie on that level. All they must do is put their hands over their eyes to cover everything they do not wish to perceive, and then when "sincerely describe" what they see it will be reliably false.

Liars like that work backwards from a false narrative. They desperately want certain things, such as, there is no real evil in the world, and if we simply convert the world to the same ideology the horrors of history will cease. Everything that suggests otherwise causes them pain, and they block it out and work around it. And then they speak with "sincerity" of their ideal world and political philosophy, as they actually love the Utopian lie, and they react with "sincere" pain when their delusions are challenged, because they are physically pained by the truths they try to pretend away.

The most sincere-seeming liars will be the ones who deceive themselves. They do not merely lie as a tool, they ARE liars, making it their personality.

Blogger Gregory the Great June 25, 2019 3:40 PM  

@50 Some people say untrue things although they know that they are untrue. That is called lying. Other people say untrue things because they do not know any better, being too stupid, uneducated, ill-informed, brainwashed etc. Members of the second group can in many cases recover by understanding their errors, members of the first group can only recover if they repent. Prager appears to belong to the first group.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 25, 2019 4:04 PM  

Solon wrote:That feeling of rage boiling up in your gut once you see through the lies and deceptions? That feeling is why (((they))) have been kicked out of 109 countries, and counting.

Some of us, like me, live with that slowly boiling rage all day, every day.


Amen Brother!

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 25, 2019 4:08 PM  

Gregory the Great wrote:Prager appears to belong to the first group.

Well of course (((he))) is. It gets redundant, but it's necessary.

Blogger Wazdakka June 25, 2019 4:11 PM  

So, England, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland, and Manx are "nations" but the UK is not a "nation"?

Its a United Kingdom of nations.
The answer is in the name.

Blogger Dan in Georgia June 25, 2019 4:21 PM  

It’s an empire. That’s why they hang onto Northern Ireland by force.

Blogger Sargent.matrim June 25, 2019 4:53 PM  

I read the Putnam Study on diversity last week. It's subtitle is “e pluribus unum”. He makes a big point about we have to make diversity work, even though it's not, because it's the US motto. So I googled the actual meaning which you lay out above. Boy these people are outright liars. A simple Google search explains the motto, this Aussie could work it out in about 30 seconds.

Surely Prager knows this meaning better than me. When you catch people in obvious lies you know there intentions are evil.

Blogger tublecane June 25, 2019 5:26 PM  

@80- I wouldn't be certain of that. It can be hard to tell the difference between playing dumb and just being dumb. He's also intellectually lazy, which can be discerned in any single sentence picked out at random.

Blogger tublecane June 25, 2019 5:30 PM  

@11- Also not that the phrase "e pluribus unum" has 13 letters. Just like the 13 original colonies, which united in one central body to declare independence and later form their own government. (Twice.)

I know this, and I'm just some schmuck with a keyboard. Where did Prager learn American history? University of Jerusalem?

Blogger Crew June 25, 2019 5:34 PM  

There you have it. Dennis Prager is a Nazi. You don't want to be listening to him! So is Big Bad Ben and Jordan Peterson.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/james-okeefe-strikes-again-google-document-describes-ben-shapiro-dennis-prager-both-jews-and-jordan-peterson-as-nazis/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 5:42 PM  

tublecane wrote:Where did Prager learn American history? University of Jerusalem?
In Brooklyn.

At the Yeshiva.

Blogger FP June 25, 2019 5:48 PM  

@79

"Surely Prager knows this meaning better than me. When you catch people in obvious lies you know there intentions are evil."

He should but the excuse will be that the modern post civil rights era definition is one meaning all races/ethnicities.

Blogger Dave Dave June 25, 2019 6:24 PM  

You cannot be an Israeli nationalist without first being an Israeli. This is an obvious truth that Penis Dragger is trying to perform a sleight of hand to remove. American nationalism presupposes the American racial identity.

Blogger tublecane June 25, 2019 6:26 PM  

"Nationalism is evil...when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others and when it denigrates all other national commitments"

Put aside for a moment what is meant by other commitments. (Dual citizenship?) English is a beautiful language and we have words to describe Pragerian Evul Nationalism. For instance, chauvinism and jingoism. Neither of which are implied by mere nationalism.



"While some Americans have conjoined American nationalism with race (such as the Confederacy.."

Say what now? I'm going to have to guess at the meaning here, because it's quite unclear. What was the difference between the USA and the CSA as regards the Race Question? I think the Confederate constitution referred to negroes by name as regards the slave trade, but we all know what the U.S. constitution was talking about.

The Confederacy was about race in Prager's mind. If the mood struck him he could make the very same argument against the U.S. Because even disregarding the slave states that states in the union, there wasn't any political or social equality among the races Up North. The North isn't defined that way in Prager's head, but who cares?

"the Ku Klux Klan"

How long until this dead horse is no longer beaten? Anyway, it wasn't a nation. It is widely referred to as a terrorist outfit, but it was fighting a hostile occupying government and its collaborators. None of which has to do with race, except that Washington decided to use its power to lift up black Republicans.

The suppression of the negro as a separate matter might be better understood by reference to the anarchical manner in which they were let loose by emancipation, as well as contemporary society's continued inability to deal with their peculiarities.

Blogger Avalanche June 25, 2019 6:30 PM  

Havent' read the comments yet but:

Prager: "...an evil regime, when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others and when it denigrates all other national commitments."

He left out or, rather, it's assumed and understood:
'UNLESS that regime is the Zionist one, in which case "inherently superior" and denigration are 100% kosher!'

He must go back!

Blogger Avalanche June 25, 2019 6:34 PM  

@7 "seems like a somewhat quaint embrace of nostalgia. Turning around 150 years of history isn't a viable project."

So, we should give up on our duty to our race and loyalty to our people and miscegenate like they tell us we must? If we're not assured of winning, we shouldn't even try?

Thanks, no, not in MY lifetime!

Blogger Avalanche June 25, 2019 6:37 PM  

@10 oooh! Good one! There's a tee shirt:

On the front: 109 and counting
On the back: You must go back!

Blogger Cyril June 25, 2019 6:40 PM  

Billo, are you a Jew?

Blogger Avalanche June 25, 2019 6:42 PM  

@37 "Bill Kristol is downright angry that we aren't at war.
what did we learn in Vietnam and Iraq?"

To keep Bill Kristol WELL away from red buttons?!

Blogger cecilhenry June 25, 2019 6:44 PM  

Wow..

That last lie from Praeger is an admission in an obfuscation.

Every. Single. Time.

Jews are always calling for the destruction of every racial group but one of course. And pretend they shouldn't be accountable.

Blogger Avalanche June 25, 2019 6:48 PM  

@54 "So, England, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland, and Manx are "nations" but the UK is not a "nation"?"

Correct. If you're THIS far behind us in this classroom, you'd best stop yakking and start reading to catch up!! You're not even visible on the horizon from here! And most of us are struggling to keep Vox Day in sight on the opposite horizon!

Blogger cecilhenry June 25, 2019 6:58 PM  



“What’s a neocon?” clueless George W. Bush once asked his father in 2003. “Do you want names, or a description?” answered Bush 41. “Description.”

“Well,” said 41, “I’ll give it to you in one word: Israel.”


The so-called neoconservatives are crypto-Israelis, comparable to crypto-Jews passing as “New Christians” in the 14th to 17th century. Crypsis is a fundamental aspect of Jewish culture.



https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/06/21/jewishness-and-the-culture-of-crypsis/

Blogger Gregory the Great June 25, 2019 6:59 PM  

This excuse is revealing: Once you start changing definitions depending on the zeitgeist you give up the search for the truth, and the father of lies has got you where he wants you.

Blogger Stilicho June 25, 2019 7:16 PM  

@boogeyman: say it explicitly-- culture is downstream of race.

Blogger billo June 25, 2019 7:59 PM  

VD wrote:

You are being stupid. The Union of England and Scotland will not survive the next independence vote. It would not have survived the last one if Englishmen living in Scotland had not been permitted to vote.


Your statement may or may not prove to be true -- both about me being stupid, and the dissolution of the United Kingdom. I don't believe either is correct, but I've been wrong about a lot of things in my life. I bought Commodore stock in the 1980s because I was convinced that Windows 3 was a piece of crap and would go nowhere, and the Amiga was an amazing box.

But even if you are correct, it has nothing to do with Mr. Whiplash's belief that everybody in the UK who says that the UK is a nation isn't merely wrong, but is lying.

The problem is that you and the other folk here use the word "nation" as a term of art. My point is that there are lots of people who use it differently, such as Mr. Prager -- and the thousands to millions who believe the UK is a real nation. To claim that they are all not merely "wrong" in that use but are knowingly lying is simply ludicrous.

The responses I have gotten seem to be from people who think I don't understand their definition of "nation." I do. My point has nothing to do with whether or not the way the word "nation" is used here is correct or not, since usage is cohort and discussion specific. It has to do with the claim that anybody who doesn't use it *exactly in this way* is "lying" when they use the word in the way they understand it.

An acquaintance of mine is an alcoholic who had late stage chronic pancreatitis. This is a severe condition that involves intermittent severe abdominal pain. When he tells me that he got up this morning with a bad "stomach ache," I don't jump up and down and call him a liar because it is more correctly called "abdominal pain" and has little or nothing to do with the stomach per se.

In common usage for many, anything below the sternum, above the genitals, and anterior to the spine is called the "stomach" area and a "stomach ache" can be any of a number of things. And when used that way, it's not "wrong." It's just a common usage that is not the term of art used by people who know what's going on.

The same thing is true with, for instance, "shrapnel" versus "bomb fragments." Some people use the word shrapnel only for "real" shrapnel shells. Others don't. The ones that don't are not "lying" when they use the word with the more common usage meaning.

It degrades conversations when one attributes these kinds of disagreements to evil intent. Not everything need be personal.

Blogger LP916 June 25, 2019 8:00 PM  

Good coverage on the Prager Uni Worship matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L47oJxwp6yg

Blogger Monotonous Languor June 25, 2019 8:32 PM  

re: 99 billo

Just stop with the subjective semantic games... it's tiresome nonsense, and everyone here has a long history of seeing though it.

A real liar first deceives herself, then deceives others. As for you, you're fooling nobody but yourself.

Blogger VD June 25, 2019 8:37 PM  

The problem is that you and the other folk here use the word "nation" as a term of art.

It's not a term of art. It's a literal dictionary definition. We happen to be educated. Most people are not.

My point is that there are lots of people who use it differently, such as Mr. Prager -- and the thousands to millions who believe the UK is a real nation.

I agree that many ignorant people believe The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which is "made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland" is a single nation. Their level of knowledge doesn't even rise to the level of Wikipedia, which describes it, not quite accurately, as "a sovereign country".

But that doesn't change the fact that Dennis Prager is a shameless fucking liar who knows better. Because he referred directly to the dictionary definitions.

Blogger VD June 25, 2019 8:38 PM  

It degrades conversations when one attributes these kinds of disagreements to evil intent. Not everything need be personal.

It's not personal. Dennis Prager is a deceiver with evil intentions. There is absolutely no question about that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 8:39 PM  

@billo, so I am to be castigated because you put words in my mouth and I did not correct you? My, what a dishonest piece of work you are.

As I pointed out, the only people who call themselves "UK citizens" are Ulstermen. And it's a lie, intended to wring sympathy from both the ordinary Welsh, Scots and English and from the UK deracinated elites.

Insisting on the proper meaning of a word is not "using it as a term of art". It is called being honest, and not being a dishonest scumbag, like you.

The substitute definition is not given honestly, with the intent of conveying information, but dishonestly, with the intent of getting his listeners to swallow a lie, which happens to benefit both him and his tribe.

Blogger South Carolina Boy June 25, 2019 9:12 PM  

Would Jeffersonian American federalism be a better solution for USA than American nationalism?

My understanding is that prior to Lincoln’s revolution in 1865, the States of America were sovereign. The federal government being a compact.

Also, what do you believe will be the fate of a state such as South Carolina, with the two main groups being white and black?

Amalgamation or separation?


Or the status quo?

Thank you.

Blogger Blaidd June 25, 2019 9:22 PM  

I'd say the Swiss count as a nation

The Swiss disagree with you. They call themselves "The Swiss Confederation" and they're made up of four distinct peoples.

Blogger CM June 25, 2019 9:45 PM  

Why is it that so many of these people are Jews? This cannot be an accident

They understand the importance of nations for the survival of their people but they recognize their own parasitical ways would be confounded if their host figured out how important it is.

Blogger xevious2030 June 25, 2019 10:20 PM  

The people here. We'll art, artistic license. The people here do not generally take artistic license with the word nation. Prager, on the other hand, does. So, inversion, for one. Secondly, nationalism has been attacked in the US for quite some time. Whites, as a race, have been attacked for groupings together, for decades, by Jews, calling such Nazis and rabid nationalists ready to burn crosses and stuff people in ovens. It is too concerted, persistant, and prevalent to be accident. You have a people that tends to argue technicality of the law to the tiniest twist. They don't goof up on what a nation is, they lie.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 25, 2019 10:29 PM  

VD wrote:

"Nationalism is evil when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others."

"Prager went on to explain how everything he now does in his career as a broadcaster, writer and commentator are informed by his Jewish roots and the Yeshiva education he received as a young man growing up in Brooklyn."

"We have so much to teach, so much to share, so much light to shine upon a world that needs it – perhaps now more than ever before."

Translation: Everybody else's views are diametrically opposed to how us Jews see things. We must put a stop to it. Therefore, all of your views which are not in accordance with those taught in the Yeshiva need to be ruthlessly stomped out, and replaced with those endorsed by our twisted Babylonian Mystery Cult masquerading as the Word of God.

Blogger mike June 25, 2019 10:44 PM  

True nationalism must accept nationalism within other nations and stand against globalism within other nations not interfere but stand against it. French in France , americans in America, Arabia instead of sharia

Blogger Dirk Manly June 25, 2019 10:52 PM  

@58

"Danes still fancy Mann as their own."

The Manx language is a Brittanic (i.e. pre-Hanovarian dynasty, pre-Norman invasion, pre-Saxon migration, pre-Angle migration, pre-Norwegian settlement, pre-Danish dual-kingship, pre-Roman colonization) language, which resembles "old English" .... i.e. the language of Britain before the Germanic tribes such as the Angles started changing the language INTO English.

Manx Danish?
Only a temporary accident of political holdings.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 25, 2019 11:00 PM  

@59

"So, anybody who writes about the UK being a nation is "lying" because your definition of "nation" excludes it? UK "nationalists" who consider the UK their "nation" are not really nationalists?"

UKIP is pro small-empire ((Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex, Wessex, Cambria, Cornwall, Devon, Mersey, Mann) +Wales, Scotland, Ireland), as the Celt tribes are not strictly considered to be a subset of the British tribes.


BNP is nationalist: Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex, Wessex, Cambria, Cornwall, Devon, Mersey, Mann, (plus maybe Wales)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2019 11:24 PM  

Dirk, do not comment on linguistics. You are worse than ignorant.

Manx is a goidelic language, closely related to Irish and Scottish Gaelic, and only more distantly related to the Britannic languages, like Welsh and Breton. It is believed by most linguists this is due to a significant migration of Irish to the island in the 4th century.
The island was ruled by Norsemen for over 600 years, and was part of the traditional patrimony of the King of Norway. Hardly a "temporary accident".

Old English is counted as a Germanic language, not a Celtic one. Though John McWhorter makes a convincing case in his book Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue that while English words and most grammatical structues (conjugations and declendions) are Germanic, they are used in a Celtic manner, as e.g. helping verbs, which are typical of Celtic languages but exist in no other Germanic language than English.
A variety of languages were spoken in Britain before the Anglo Saxon invasion, Pictish, Prettanni, Cornish, Mercian, etc, and of couse, Latin, the lingua Franca of trade and language of scholarship right down to the modern era, but none of them could even be remotely described as Old English. The word English itself is a corruption of Anglish, the language of the Angles.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf June 26, 2019 3:33 AM  

I was thinking about VOX's comment on 'nations' the other day, when someone stated that mixed-race children have some negative genetic outcomes compared with single race children. I've emailed for clarification.

Sure, within an environmental niche that's reasonable. As an example, a Swede-Saan People admix would probably be less suited towards both native national habitats. BUT, I think there may be more to it than that. I think it's more complicated than this - subtle changes occur to the way we think, that we're only beginning to understand.

So, with that in mind I was thinking: 'Nations' is mentioned in the Bible. The people were separated at the tower of Babel. Perhaps God ensured that attempting to come together will result in a population that will undergo a dysgenic collapse (ushering in an apocalyptic hellscape like never seen before).

You know when people say you cannot understand the mind of God - this could be an example of that. There's no way people thought about DNA 2000 years ago. And there's no way we're thinking correctly about genes compared to 2000 years from now.

Blogger N.B. Forrest June 26, 2019 4:26 AM  

The (((Pragers))) simply lie about our history & the meaning of words because they know they've made the average patriotard goyeem too ignorant to know any better, so they're unquestioning & satisfied with the jew-safe flag-wavin' ersatz nationalism they peddle like rotten gefilte fish; they either buy or blackmail their more intelligent shabbos goy front "leaders".

Blogger sammibandit June 26, 2019 9:44 AM  

Thanks for clarifying. "Once you pay the Danegeld you are never rid of the Dane".

Blogger xevious2030 June 26, 2019 3:09 PM  

“There's no way people thought about DNA 2000 years ago. And there's no way we're thinking correctly about genes compared to 2000 years from now.”

Seems intuitive enough, but it is at least partially incorrect. Animal husbandry has been going, on purpose, since well over 2,000 years ago, which is crude DNA matching and selection. And odds are decent that 2,000 years from now (unless Revelation comes to pass), the Earth will be in a full blown ice age again, scrubbing the surface of the Earth of most traces of civilization with glaciers, reducing the population to a maximum of 2m-10m, and possibly with bottlenecks of 100k-200k people worldwide.

No traces of buildings, sewers, subways, monuments, cemeteries, landfills. Everything just gone, except in the habitable zones. Were that to continue for 100k years, as the trend of the last 450k years. Not even the habitable zones would have much of a residue of what once was. People, if the occasion that warm stability occurred that 14k years peak, making any civilization even possible, would likely marvel at the first beginnings of any human civilization ever, advanced or otherwise, that had occurred with the beginning of their own warm period.

What we have, in terms of a 11k year both warm and also flat line temperature, is extraordinarily unusual. Rough figures, from memory. 450k years. 4 peaks of 10k years each, out of long 100k year ice age troughs. Only 1 that formed a steady warm temperature plateau rather than simply small peaks and troughs, being ours. Our conditions for civilization, much less stable conditions, are a bit unusual. 2,000 years from now is a good question.

Reading Revelation, and the conditions of human progression, seems more likely that Revelation will come to pass before such a thing could arrive. If an ice age were even the next natural occurrence within the next 100k years, which is not a certainty.

Blogger Unknown June 27, 2019 12:54 AM  

Prager says:

"Nationalism is evil when it is used to celebrate an evil regime, when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others and when it denigrates all other national commitments."

Where Isreal is focused so much on trying to get the US to go against it's own interests but instead focusing on Isreals Interests isn't Prager explicitly saying "Isreal is an Evil nation?"

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 28, 2019 6:43 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:our twisted Babylonian Mystery Cult masquerading as the Word of God.

And masquerading as the Children of Israel. Quite possibly THE foundational lie.

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