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Sunday, June 23, 2019

Mailvox: it's only fair

A MGTOW decides that it is only fair to ask me to give practical help and advice to others:
You've stated your case against MGTOW's like me as liars and Satanists, so now I think it's fair to ask you to now move on to the next step, which is to give practical help and advice to these young men that you are encouraging to get married regarding what sort of women they should be looking for, and how they can be better and more successful husbands and fathers.

You might think it should be obvious, but when people are young and lack life experience they don't always see things clearly. The gynocentric feminazi world certainly is not helping men and women figure things out.

I'm still MGTOW my self, because that's what works for me, I was MGTOW decades before it had the name or the militant political and social aspect to it. Even so, I happily concede some of your points, one of which MGTOW's call NAWALT, not all women are like that. But young men need help seeing and understanding what these unicorns look like, the kind of attitudes and opinions that are peculiar to the unicorns. It's more than just their notch counts and selfies, I think.

I never found a unicorn my self, but I still allow that they exist, somewhere, out there, in the big world.

So, young men need help recognizing the qualities of a unicorn, and also they need help developing the qualities of leadership that you point out are necessary to maintaining a healthy relationship with a woman.

I think if you provided a positive message toward that end, you would help the cause of promoting the survival of western civilization more effectively than just calling people names.

You called me a liar, but I would be lying if I did not confess and admit that I have made a deliberate and considered choice to eschew relationships with females, and I'd be a liar if I didn't tell the truth about how and why I made that choice.

I don't tell young men what to do or not do, I don't call them names if they make a different choice. Mainly I tell young men, when I tell them anything, to be careful about women, don't fall for just a pretty face, and make sure they consult with a lawyer before they sign any legal documents of any kind. How is that bad advice? How is that dishonest and Satanic? I'm not seeing it. But never mind on that, just please think about how to actually accomplish what you claim is your intention, which is a good intention in my opinion.
Hey, calling liars and cowards liars and cowards is just me going my own way. How can they possibly object to that? It's really rather amazing how sensitive these narcissistic creatures are to criticism of their chosen path when they have very publicly declared that they owe nothing to society and refuse to do anything for anyone. What do they care if anyone calls them names anyhow?

Anyhow, I don't care what they think is fair. I'm not shaming them to try to change their behavior, I am simply observing their contemptible cowardice and their habitual dishonesty. I don't care what they think is fair. I don't care what they think at all.

This is all I have to say directly to the MGTOW: You quit. You're out. You're done. You ran from the battle. So be it. You don't count anymore. Now go off and die alone, as you've chosen.

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Blogger Billy June 23, 2019 12:38 PM  

Vox aint down with the bullshit

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 12:47 PM  

What is amazing to me in having watched all of the recent Darkstreams and reading the posts about the MGTOW movement and their rebuttals like this is how they tend to obsess over the fact this it is somehow about finding a unicorn or some special women amongst all of the sluts and whores they think populate society.

First off, it’s not about women. Your purpose is about children. No romantic delusion will ever be purpose fulfilling. However, being a father to children IS remarkably fulfilling.

Secondly, it is not about finding a unicorn. A strong man makes a woman who she is. That seems to be the missing knowledge. These “men” want their ideal woman to come pre-packaged and perfect. False. A man finds a woman he loves and then leads her in the right direction. If she refuses your headship, then don’t marry her. It’s that simple.

Blogger Caesar Rodney June 23, 2019 12:49 PM  

Keep fighting the good fight, Vox. The future belongs to the ones who show up.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 12:51 PM  

Hey, calling liars and cowards liars and cowards is just me going my own way.

I.E.

Get thee behind me, Satan.

That's your practical advice right there.

Blogger RandyB June 23, 2019 12:51 PM  

These MGTOWs are still hedonists. They will not submit to God and live under one of the historic and proven monastic rules. "No authority over me!" remains their cry.

Blogger Nation-Deprived June 23, 2019 12:53 PM  

An interesting peek into the MGTOW mindset. He wrote a wall of text to essentially say “Don’t call us names!” To say nothing of all the man advice Vox has put out there already.

Blogger VD June 23, 2019 12:55 PM  

He wrote a wall of text to essentially say “Don’t call us names!”

Which is why they are so focused on dishonestly insisting that shaming won't work on them. They know they are extremely vulnerable to it.

Blogger SJ June 23, 2019 12:56 PM  

Absolutely correct. Women act very differently around different men. Have solid boundaries and real self confidence, don't let any woman walk all over you, demand proper behavior on your terms and that she respect your boundaries, and then if she refuses break up.

Their is no unicorn. There are strong men who lead their women down a proper path. Mgtow are weak men who want a woman to lead them. They rail against this "gynocentrism" yet they are fully immersed in that frame. They aren't capable of stepping outside of it and quite simply being a patriarch. They can't lead. Hence women don't want them.

Then they further demonstrate their terrible character and they lie to themselves constantly, so they don't have to face the reality of their poor character. It really is contemptible.

Blogger Fargoth June 23, 2019 12:58 PM  

Unicorns are out there. I threw away my relationship with one. You don't see me slitting my wrists over it.

Blogger Durandel June 23, 2019 1:02 PM  

If he wasn’t so narcissistic, he would have heard your advice that followed after you called them liars and cowards. Advice you have repeated multiple times.

Blogger DaninMD June 23, 2019 1:02 PM  

David Ray Milton, you are right. My wife didn't want kids and just focus on a career when we met. She has given me five children so far and she home schools the older four to high achievement even with a baby.

Blogger Haus frau June 23, 2019 1:07 PM  

He wants to vox to keep sprinkling pearls of wisdom on him and others like him to keep the conversation about him. Meanwhile, he will pontificate on how none of vox's well worn advise actually applies to him while demanding yet more advise. I have had these poitnless, frustrating conversations many many times. In the end, this guy is only interested in talking about himself and his problems. He does not really want guidance.

Blogger DaninMD June 23, 2019 1:07 PM  

How to get there? It hasn't been easy, a lot of arguments and painful struggle, some days with psyche-testing stress or anxiety, but that is what God and faith are for.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky June 23, 2019 1:09 PM  

Step one to finding a "unicorn" is to quit being a whiny slouch and strive for virtue. True manly virtue is attractive to a good woman and generally repulsive to a bad one, or at the very least gives you a clear sense of who is and is not a good person of either sex to be around.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 23, 2019 1:10 PM  

Regular horses are known to grow horns... but they don't around a MGTOW attitude. Too bad.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 23, 2019 1:11 PM  

MGTOW: I will date and have sex with women I have no intention of marrying.

MGTOW: Why are all women bitches and sluts? Where do I find a unicorn?

Blogger Timmy3 June 23, 2019 1:12 PM  

A man should get some experience before eschewing all relationships with women. He’s making a political statement more than anything else.

Blogger Haus frau June 23, 2019 1:17 PM  

I notice these men have no problem calling all women sluts and whores even as they hate being shamed for their cowardice and lying. The quest for a unicorn is all projection and sour grapes. These men know they are defective and need to put in a lot of work to become an attractive partner that can maintain a healthy, stable relationship with a normal woman, even in a healthier society.
So much better to focus on how defective women are and call them all sluts and whores than to work on the character and personality flaws that lead them to make poor choices resulting in isolation.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon June 23, 2019 1:19 PM  

I agree with some of the claims of the MGTOW crowd: the way that divorce courts favour women, that women are hypergamous, etc etc. I also entirely agree with Vox that these guys are giving up the most important duty of a male, which is to head a family. It's not the only duty, but an important one.

Interpreting mating/partnership/marriage as a 'search for a unicorn' is part of the problem. Good women are not creatures of myth, they are walking around right now in every city and town. Now, they might be much less frequent than before due to post-60s left wing subversion of family values, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist.

One thing they don't seem to realize is the cost of NOT having children. It's a strange way to put it, given that children are expensive in terms of financial outlay, but having a child is rewarding. Until you have your own kids you don't realize how special it is to watch your own kids grow and learn about the world. There's a special type of bond that you can't approximate with pet ownership or taking care of nephews/nieces. You become more responsible, more concerned for the future, etc.

I have a team member who is 47, single, motorcycling around the country and casually dating women. He has no interest in getting married and just wants to live a fun life. He makes a fair bit of money, has cash and time at his disposal. No one, and I mean no one, respects this guy. We might like him, but we don't respect him. He dodged marriage and parenthood, two of the biggest challenges in life but also two of the biggest rewards. It's better than being an alcoholic that has been divorced 5 times, but I have more respect for the guy with a simple minimum wage job who manages to get married and raise a kid.



Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 1:20 PM  

Reminds me of Eduardo yesterday in that the gamma has unsolicited questions and advice they wouldn't give or take for themselves. "Give me a method so I can blame you when I fail" for this gamma isn't much different than "give me an excuse for being annoying and a loser" for Eduardo in that both feel VD is beholden to them, at bespoke levels as well. This gamma tries to make VD responsible for his failure at stamping dance cards despite deciding he doesn't want to and thinks he can't, while Eduardo tries to make VD responsible for being a self-declared loser. Their advice is that VD needs to do moar naow! Their questions are whyyyyyyy? These people are their own social profalactics.

After a while you begin to see that these people have no personalities since they're like those crabs that collect shiny things for their shells. They all resemble a certain type and kind made of an assemblage of parts. Bit of sperg, bit off ball hog and constant bean-baller, bit of wet blanket, bit of bizarre interest in being near people who obviously can't stand them. No one will tell you to take your bases, gammas.

But that crab has a niche in nature even if it's shell is an assemblage of parts. The gamma and the MGTOW declares they have none. They're outside of nature and that's why they make the hackles rise on females and put goosebumps on their skin. They just say they're outside nature like Frankenstein's monster says in so many words he doesn't care if he corrupts innocence. Why talk if you don't care? Real-life boogeymen. Just totally outside nature and the disgust I feel even over this medium approaches the level of scent it's such an unbuffered stimuli.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 23, 2019 1:23 PM  

I'm surprised you didn't just laugh at him and link AlphaGame.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky June 23, 2019 1:34 PM  

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, basically.

Blogger basementhomebrewer June 23, 2019 1:35 PM  

How often does the advice need to be dolled out? Read scripture, if you don't understand what you are reading seek sources who do understand at least dimly.

I know I am wasting my time, but here is some simple advice. If you find a woman worth dating (this is in the 60% or higher of all women range) spend time with them going over the verses related to marriage and submission. Let them know they would be accountable to you just as you are accountable to Christ. If they buck that passage and outright reject it move along. If they are hesitant about it work through it until they form a strong opinion one way or the other. A test will come along where you will know if they truly believe it. That is all there is to it.

Blogger crazyivan498 June 23, 2019 1:44 PM  

Another point to add is that there aren't many "unicorns" out there, but a woman can a natural follower to your lead as a man. Be a good man and some women will follow you despite the fact they didn't start out a "unicorn". It takes time for you and your partner to develop into a good man or woman. These kids want everything now and fast. It takes time to learn to be a good man or woman

Blogger Eduardo June 23, 2019 1:44 PM  

@sammi

You are completely wrong about this Sammi

I don't blame Vox on anything about me being a failure, actually I blame him for helping me out in my life, helping me understand these bad traits I have. Actually I own Vox a lot.

I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion, but you got it all wrong...

Blogger VFM Bear June 23, 2019 1:45 PM  

Men Gamma Their Own Way

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 1:45 PM  

I was talking about you not to you, okay.

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson June 23, 2019 1:46 PM  

That dude wants an advice column, here's an advice column that he won't follow. Stop doing these things for 6 months and get back to us for your next steps:

1. Stop watching porn, this includes things like strip clubs and prostitutes.

2. Stop doing drugs.

3. Stop over consuming alcohol.

4. Stop over consuming food, especially sugary food.

5. Stop drinking soda.

6. Stop wasting time on the internet, this means no more forums with losers, all MGTOW hangouts, no more social media, etc.

7. Stop playing video games.

8. Stop lying about what kind of a girl you deserve, if your combination of looks, social savvy and income rates you a 3, then you can only date 3's. There's no "unicorn" out there who wants to date an ugly guy with no social savvy who's broke.

9. Stop making excuses for your life by calling it things like MGTOW.

Follow those 9 steps EXACTLY 100% for 6 months and get back to us. Of course if you follow those 9 steps exactly then you won't have to get back to us.

Blogger Weak June 23, 2019 1:47 PM  

Vox already did this. Does this guy not know that Alpha Game exists?

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 1:51 PM  

Quitting sugar is a big deal. The brain runs on glucose and if you let it run your diet it will take pure sugar and nothing but.

Owen has been talking about how "the yeast" drives dumb decisions in dietary hygeine AMD social hygeine and you hit the nail on the head. I'm a total grump and sleepy deep on too much sugar. I'm sure this is a common side-effect. Kudos.

Blogger Eduardo June 23, 2019 1:57 PM  

And I am talking TO you because you falsely accused me.

That's all, calm down.

Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 1:57 PM  

Hey, wow, I really made the big time!!! I'm honored to be hi-lited in this way.

In my defense, let me clarify what seems to have been misunderstood: I am not asking for fairness for my self, I was saying that if you guys are serious about wanting to steer young men away from MGTOW and towards marriage and family it might not be the best strategy to accuse them of cowardice if they hesitate to jump to it. Especially when you admit up front that it is reasonable to have some anxiety about the prospect of the responsibilities of marriage and family.
If you feel any moral responsibility for the counsel you give to these young men, you might want to reconsider pushing them in to doing things they are reluctant to do by telling them they are cowards if they don't.
You guys claim to want to help young men choose marriage and family, but how far will you get if you talk and act as if you don't really care what happens to them after they make the commitment?
VD has said that if his wife leaves him and she makes his kids hate his guts and he loses all his property and has to pay exorbitant alimony for the rest of his life, it would still be worth it.
Well, goody for him, but isn't that the sort of assessment that every man needs to make for himself? And under the circumstances, is that really persuasive to someone who feels anxiety already, that a catastrophic outcome is really no big deal anyway?
I'm trying to be rational about this. I also think that as a MGTOW I should not be saying any of this but instead I should be encouraging you anti-MGTOW's to keep putting your feet in your mouths.

Blogger VD June 23, 2019 2:01 PM  

I was saying that if you guys are serious about wanting to steer young men away from MGTOW and towards marriage and family it might not be the best strategy to accuse them of cowardice if they hesitate to jump to it.

We're not accusing THEM of cowardice. They haven't cut and run. We're accusing YOU of cowardice. And you have.

Now, what part of "we don't care what you think" is hard to understand?

You opted out. You don't get a say. The future belongs to those who show up for it, and that does not include you or your children.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 2:05 PM  

Reading MGTOW submission signals from the bottom up makes the signal less gain-y.

I'm trying to be rational about this. I also think that as a MGTOW I should not be saying any of this but instead I should be encouraging you anti-MGTOW's to keep putting your feet in your mouths.

Well, goody for him, but isn't that the sort of assessment that every man needs to make for himself? And under the circumstances, is that really persuasive to someone who feels anxiety already, that a catastrophic outcome is really no big deal anyway?

VD has said that if his wife leaves him and she makes his kids hate his guts and he loses all his property and has to pay exorbitant alimony for the rest of his life, it would still be worth it.

You guys claim to want to help young men choose marriage and family, but how far will you get if you talk and act as if you don't really care what happens to them after they make the commitment?

If you feel any moral responsibility for the counsel you give to these young men, you might want to reconsider pushing them in to doing things they are reluctant to do by telling them they are cowards if they don't.

In my defense, let me clarify what seems to have been misunderstood: I am not asking for fairness for my self, I was saying that if you guys are serious about wanting to steer young men away from MGTOW and towards marriage and family it might not be the best strategy to accuse them of cowardice if they hesitate to jump to it. Especially when you admit up front that it is reasonable to have some anxiety about the prospect of the responsibilities of marriage and family.

Hey, wow, I really made the big time!!! I'm honored to be hi-lited in this way.

Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 2:08 PM  

"He wrote a wall of text to essentially say “Don’t call us names!”
Which is why they are so focused on dishonestly insisting that shaming won't work on them. They know they are extremely vulnerable to it."

So, you think that the way to win serious arguments is to call names? I'm not against name calling, but only a fool thinks that name calling is sufficient to win serious arguments. Are you admitting that your intent is to shame your opponents in to silence? Thanks for letting the world know, I suppose.
The reason shaming doesn't work on us is because it is only rhetoric, and not dialectic. I would have thunk that people who follow Vox Popoli would know that.
Now, what are you going to do to win over the young men who are afraid to get married? If you shame them in to getting married, and they run in to trouble, are you going to be there to help them with legal counsel and bail money? It's a fair question to ask. Very fair. Ultra super dooper fair.

Blogger crazyivan498 June 23, 2019 2:09 PM  

Awww. Alphaeus thinks VD is a big. Meanie. If VD was just nice then MGtow would all get married and have lots of babies. MGtow just need someone to hold there hand first.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 2:09 PM  

"He cannot bear to think that VD is alive in the world and thinking ill of him."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 2:11 PM  

Alphaeus wrote:So, you think that the way to win serious arguments is to call names?
No, he's hoping that by calling you names, you will either shut up or go away. I'd say it's a failed strategy, but our Supreme Dark Lord is always an optimist.

Blogger billo June 23, 2019 2:11 PM  

David Ray Milton wrote:What is amazing to me in having watched all of the recent Darkstreams and reading the posts about the MGTOW movement and their rebuttals like this is how they tend to obsess over the fact this it is somehow about finding a unicorn or some special women amongst all of the sluts and whores they think populate society.

I'm reminded of St Paul's letter to Timothy, where he writes:

"Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.

They will say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth. Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks. For we know it is made acceptable by the word of God and prayer."

Thus, we are told that prayer is worthless and marriage is a lie by people who have no chests.

The answer to the respondent is simple. There are no perfect people, and any search for a perfect woman will fail. Worse, were the perfect woman to exist, the searcher would not be worthy of her.

But there are millions of failed people trying to do better, and in marriage we can help each other as we try to be the kind of people we think we deserve. Sure, there are some women you will want to steer clear of, either because they are incompatible or because they clearly cannot make the kind of commitment that marriage requires.

But that leaves millions of women to choose from. And those millions of women are longing for men willing to make a strong spiritual and physical commitment just as much as the men are looking for such women. But when those men search in bad faith, and focus on qualities *other* than those associated with successful marriage, then they will tend to find the women they are focusing on. And when they marry women they are act like they want rather than the women they really want, they will be disappointed.

As I wrote in a comment on a different post, I did not date hardly at all when I was young. Vox makes negative inferences from this, but in fact, it has nothing to do with his classification system. It's a simple application of this principle.

It's not hard to find women that are worthwhile. However, if one is a believing Christian, then one is obligated to use the same kind of integrity in dating and courtship with women as you expect from the women that you date and court. Which means that mating that focuses in superficiality and insincerity will result in superficial and insincere relationships. Which in turn means that a man should not engage in courtship that appears serious until he really is serious and sincere.

And once he is, he will find that there are zillions of women who are searching just like him. Among those, suitable mates for life are not hard to find. It's not magic. Successful marriages demand compromises and commitment. Different women will demand different adjustments, just as they will have to adjust differently. It's just a matter of deciding what compromises a man is willing to make in his life and plans, and which ones he will demand. In my 29 years of marriage, I have compromised with my job, my location, with what hobbies I pursued, with my time, with how I spent my income, etc., etc., etc. As has my wife. And it has been glorious.

Blogger Joseph Dooley June 23, 2019 2:12 PM  

VD using shame like a rhetorical master.

Blogger Hammerli 280 June 23, 2019 2:12 PM  

MGTOW may sound good in your twenties, but once you hit your forties, being childless really loses its appeal.

The other issue, one nobody seems to have mentioned, is that you lose career mobility as you age. Mostly due to increasing expertise and income. But that loss of mobility also often means loss of dating opportunities. This is even more true for women, of course...and frankly, the most eligible women get taken off the market pretty fast. MGTOW get leftovers...who are not that appetizing.

Blogger Guitar Man June 23, 2019 2:16 PM  

Relocate all of the feminists and MGTOWs to California. Build a wall around California.

Blogger Unknown June 23, 2019 2:17 PM  

You quit. You're out. You're done. You ran from the battle. So be it. You don't count anymore. Now go off and die alone, as you've chosen.

... and you never quit, while you were in ... and ejaculated. You never battled. So be it. We won't count on you. For all men die alone ... and all men know there's no choice in this.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 23, 2019 2:21 PM  

@Alphaeus every woman you don't talk is grateful. Thanks for taking yourself out of the dating pool.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 2:23 PM  

Now, what are you going to do to win over the young men who are afraid to get married? If you shame them in to getting married, and they run in to trouble, are you going to be there to help them with legal counsel and bail money? It's a fair question to ask. Very fair. Ultra super dooper fair.

The reason shaming doesn't work on us is because it is only rhetoric, and not dialectic. I would have thunk that people who follow Vox Popoli would know that.

So, you think that the way to win serious arguments is to call names? I'm not against name calling, but only a fool thinks that name calling is sufficient to win serious arguments. Are you admitting that your intent is to shame your opponents in to silence? Thanks for letting the world know, I suppose.

"He wrote a wall of text to essentially say “Don’t call us names!”
Which is why they are so focused on dishonestly insisting that shaming won't work on them. They know they are extremely vulnerable to it."


Blogger Shimshon June 23, 2019 2:24 PM  

"So, you think that the way to win serious arguments is to call names?"

Who is in an "argument," and who is trying to "win?"

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 23, 2019 2:37 PM  

Alphaeus,

Aren't you a long time Bircher?

Sad.

Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 2:46 PM  

I'm amazed at how unserious you guys are. I'm here because I'm a nationalist who cares about the same things you all supposedly care about. The difference is I am honest with my self about my limitations. Like Dirty Harry said in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations."
And are you all so stupid you can't see that I have not been arguing for MGTOW or for sympathy for MGTOW or fairness for MGTOW, but instead I have been begging you to be smarter about being anti-MGTOW? Please, for the love of God, get serious.
I'm willing to take my lumps here and get ridiculed and insulted and called a Gamma and the rest of it. All because I'm desperate to hear a decent logical rational argument against MGTOW and for marriage and family. I think there isn't one, not for average low-status men, like my self, not until society changes. If you can't respect me coming here and saying that, well, you don't need to ban me, I will go away if you insist. But I'm not afraid of being raked over the coals for a good cause.

"Who is in an "argument," and who is trying to "win?"" I'm in an "argument" in that I'm trying to make a serious case for what I think is a serious problem. It must be serious if VD makes several videos in a row about it, for crying out loud. For me "winning" at this point would be to merely get you lunkheads to take the problem seriously. For crying out loud.

"Aren't you a long time Bircher? Sad."

Yes, I am. What's wrong with Birchers? Are you suggesting that the richest most powerful greediest people on the planet just let things work out willy nilly? You think they just let the cookies crumble and the mops flop any old which way? You don't think the billionaires and the trillionaires of the world who happen to be psychopaths get all their little duckies in to neat little rows? You think they don't know how to lay off risk and manage their investments? You are naive if you think that.

Blogger Garuna June 23, 2019 2:47 PM  

God bless hypergamy. It allows good men to rescue women from wall-of-text posting faggots, even if it's only for one night. Maybe we should just legalize polygamy.

Make Harems Great Again!

Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 2:47 PM  

"VD using shame like a rhetorical master."

Some of us are not persuaded or convinced by rhetoric.

Blogger Garuna June 23, 2019 2:49 PM  

But I'm not afraid of being raked over the coals for a good cause.

Wow you're basically Jesus Christ

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 3:03 PM  

Alphaeus, I'm afraid it is your task to present yourself as marriage material.

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 3:04 PM  

@Alpaeus

Nationalists come from nations. Nations are big families. You’re advocating against families. Ergo you’re not a nationalist.

Blogger Lazy Hero June 23, 2019 3:05 PM  

Vox I'm a big fan, committed reader, and have been so for years. And I'm not disagreeing with you, nor any of the great commenters. I made my choices, and I'm a happy middle aged bachelor who needs no validation, and I think all of you are right about marriage and children. Since I refuse regrets, because what good are they to me, I'm simply happy for all of you who have achieved the success of a happy family.

And Alphaeus, I think if you actually listened/read, what is being said you will get a better understanding. No one is trying to criticize you, they are trying to correct you.

Anyway, that's just my humble opinion.

Blogger Patrick Kelly June 23, 2019 3:05 PM  

Have not read other comments yet.

Vox has given lots of advice, instruction and pointed out examples over the years on this blog, and lately in video.

What he doesn't do often is spoon-feed such value on demand to snarky, raging, infantile ankle biters.

Blogger VD June 23, 2019 3:07 PM  

So, you think that the way to win serious arguments is to call names?

No. I'm not arguing with MGTOW. There is nothing to argue about. They've opted out of society and there is no need to talk to them at all.

I don't argue with Satanists either.

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 3:08 PM  

For the record, shame is a tremendously effective motivating tactic. Jesus used it. Paul used it. Every school yard boy used when they say “You’re a scared-y cat if you don’t do...”

Apparently, MTGOW’s apparently represent the boys who never dared, but ran off the school yard pissing their pants.

Blogger VD June 23, 2019 3:11 PM  

I'm amazed at how unserious you guys are.

I'm amazed that you think your opinion matters. You are clearly too stupid to understand that you cannot be both a) MGTOW and b) a nationalist.

I will spell out a very simple argument for you. If you go your own sterile way and refuse to have a family, your nation will die because the future belongs to those who show up for it.

Now choose: MGTOW or nationalism.

Blogger Bohemond June 23, 2019 3:12 PM  

I feel like Clown World has somehow leaked in here. Bunch of name calling and ignoring of any facts. Every MGTOW man I know personally already has children. Two of them are single fathers. But sure, they're 'giving up', 'opting out', and 'don't count'. That's fair.

I'm all for Gamma smackdowns, but be kind to the Deltas who have taken one too many knocks.

Comment #16
"MGTOW: I will date and have sex with women I have no intention of marrying."

If they are having sex with women, they are not MGTOW.

Blogger Patrick Kelly June 23, 2019 3:13 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Alphaeus wrote:So, you think that the way to win serious arguments is to call names?

No, he's hoping that by calling you names, you will either shut up or go away. I'd say it's a failed strategy, but our Supreme Dark Lord is always an optimist.


Heh, that's some funny shit. Thanks for the laugh. I am greatly entertained.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 23, 2019 3:17 PM  

@Bohemond
"Every MGTOW man I know personally already has children."

"If they are having sex with women, they are not MGTOW."

A comment section is not the place to learn where babies come from, please Google.

Blogger VD June 23, 2019 3:18 PM  

I feel like Clown World has somehow leaked in here. Bunch of name calling and ignoring of any facts. Every MGTOW man I know personally already has children. Two of them are single fathers. But sure, they're 'giving up', 'opting out', and 'don't count'. That's fair.

Don't be ridiculous. The vast majority of self-proclaimed MGTOW have never married and have no children. Your position doesn't even make any sense in light of the MGTOW arguments that concern marriage rates.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 3:19 PM  

Every MGTOW man I know personally already has children.

...

If they are having sex with women, they are not MGTOW.


Oof.

Blogger Bohemond June 23, 2019 3:32 PM  

@62

I think there's an important distinction to be made between Gammas whining about marriage laws on the internet and men who have decided to not pursue relationships with women after a divorce.

I know several of the ladder, personally. I've never met the former in real life.

But as for the former, as I said, I'm all for Gamma smackdowns. I don't agree with telling men to not have families anymore than you do. I just feel pity for the burned Deltas who tried to be good men and got screwed over for it.

@61, 63

This is the kind of junk I'm talking about. What kind of low IQ gotcha is this?

It's called divorce. Deltas get burned these days. Note that I said 'having' not 'have at any point in life.'

Embarrassing.

Blogger binks webelf June 23, 2019 3:35 PM  

Vox owes who WHAT-NOW?!?

The primary people responsible for nurture & raising are your parents and extended family. How, exactly, does Vox Day morally owe anybody outside of his family & friends the specific duty of making everything right?

"Love God with all your heart, and Love your neighbour as yourself", the Lord has commanded: but people demanding parental care, comfort, hand-holding, and education from strangers? Really? That would be above and beyond all that Vox has already done in writing, video streaming, gaming, blogging, Unauthorized.tv, a publishing house, lawsuiting and all the rest to leave everything better than he found it?

That demand is nucking futs.

To any MGTOW reading this: there's a ton of advice on this blog already as to how to pop your head from your butt and take a look around at the REAL world, not the world of your bitter and over-generalized fantasies, pain, and trouble; to realize you already ARE a moral agent with the ability to change yourself and the people & the world around you for good... unless you prefer thumb-sucking to living and embracing life.

No more excuses. Go to a gym. Suffer & sweat. Get off the internet whine & excuses stream. Join a fighting dojo, and get hit, and hit back. Read the best books.

Go to church and ask God to help you die and rise again to a holy manhood in Christ our Master & Lord. Become the kind of man, husband, and father God can make out of you. Or, be a holy eunuch for the kingdom, and leave people better than you found them, volunteer, pray, and do all manner of good works.

And don't you dare tell me I don't know what it's like, or how bad divorce is, or how much people can hurt one another.

Blogger Halvar Andersen June 23, 2019 3:36 PM  

"I never found a unicorn my self"

What is secret kinghood like?

Blogger peacefulposter June 23, 2019 3:43 PM  

If MGTOWs believe in Unicorns, their whole philosophy is based on a fantasy.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 23, 2019 3:44 PM  

@Bohemond

You walked right into that one.

But to address your point about divorce: call it being single unless you want to get shoveled out to the curb with all other MGTOW snowflakes.

Blogger Станислав Бартошевич June 23, 2019 3:50 PM  

Saying that you don't care about MGTOWs still won't change the fact that making people to go against their interests with appeals to emotion, in this particular case asking people to sell themselves into slavery or else you won't consider them manly, can only work for a limited period. And the American society may well have reached the point when it just not going to work anymore. You may as well ask whites to work harder, so that costs of diversity may be paid.

Blogger Bohemond June 23, 2019 3:55 PM  

I walked into nothing. Their response was entirely irrational and based on pretending not to understand the difference between past and present tense.

"But to address your point about divorce: call it being single unless you want to get shoveled out to the curb with all other MGTOW snowflakes."

Sure, let's just redefine words and terms. That's not a funny thing to do on Vox's blog considering how vocal he is about this.

Also, I'm not MGTOW.

Blogger pnq87 June 23, 2019 3:55 PM  

I just popped into Wal-Mart quickly stock up on some food items. I noticed no fewer than three interracial couples there. It might have been four, I wasn't counting. Two of the couples were BMWF and one of them was WMBF.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 23, 2019 3:56 PM  

Alphaeus,

It's sad that you are a long time Bircher and an MGTOW loser, because my dad and a ton of better men than you gave you all the knowledge of what was happening and why. They laid out an example for you to follow. In the face of a seemingly unstoppable enemy, they all still had many, many children. You were surrounded by happy warriors, yet you still succumbed to cowardice.

But you ran away. Sad.

Blogger Starboard June 23, 2019 4:09 PM  

The "marriage is slavery" lie worked so well on women that Satan is now using it on men too, and they are buying it.
Get married, stay married, have kids, and raise them right.

Blogger Unknown June 23, 2019 4:13 PM  

This whole anti-MGTOW argument is pretty insipid. You speak if the only contribution one can make to a society is to add more people to it. What are we, rabbits?

Blogger Nation-Deprived June 23, 2019 4:21 PM  

A perfect metaphor. At the bottom of any wall is its foundation.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 23, 2019 4:22 PM  

Imagine if we judged women instead of ran away from them.

Blogger VD June 23, 2019 4:23 PM  

Saying that you don't care about MGTOWs still won't change the fact that making people to go against their interests with appeals to emotion, in this particular case asking people to sell themselves into slavery or else you won't consider them manly, can only work for a limited period.

Basing your argument on lies isn't going to work at all.

This whole anti-MGTOW argument is pretty insipid.

If you think the survival of your family, your nation, and your civilization is "pretty insipid", then you don't deserve any attention from any woman. Or any of us.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 23, 2019 4:25 PM  

Is it MGTOW to ask American women especially the white ones to not be fat?

Asking for a loser friend?

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 4:26 PM  

A rabbit population would quickly disappear if the rabbits were to stop procreating.

Blogger Michael June 23, 2019 4:29 PM  

MGTOW is like a grade school "girls only" club.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 4:32 PM  

Since MGTOWs are so rational, so driven by data the most salient fact to the MGTOW is that they're disgusting gammas. MGTOW may as well be the plural of gamma at this point as the distinction means little in practice. You're all following the same path to a dead end. Some of you just got there in a hurry.

Gammas don't have sex through any above-board means. They're rapists or rapists in fantasy only. Given that they disgust women on a basic, unconscious level they necessarily disgust non-gammas. Non-gammas of course don't want to be around men who make women scatter.

In short, calling you all disgusting to women is not rhetoric but rather dialectic.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 4:36 PM  

VD, are you a simpleton? How do you make the leap from an individual not procreating to them not caring about their civilization? There is much more to a civilization than merely adding to it. By your logic, India and China would be whom we would want emulate. Sure, they have lots and lots of people, but the quality of life can be downright dismal. They'd be better off curtailing the reproduction and work on cultivating some better values.

Blogger Nation-Deprived June 23, 2019 4:39 PM  

I imagine these guys each see themselves as Gandalf speaking down to us, a bunch of young virile hobbits.

“I’ve never seen a unicorn myself...” *puffs his pipe* “But I will allow that they exist.”

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 4:43 PM  

Yes, there is always decay and entropy, the grotesque and the unaesthetic. Please don't add to that. The longer you all talk the stronger the case for removing you purely for aesthetic reasons grows.

Blogger Станислав Бартошевич June 23, 2019 4:46 PM  

@77
Basing your argument on lies isn't going to work at all.

I'm not arguing with you. Deny reality all your wish. I'm just telling you that it is not going to work. I can only add that I'm telling this based on my own experiences in the country that tried to urge pro-social behavior - with an immense apparatus of propaganda and information control, not a relatively minor alternative media outlet, mind you - while having a politico-economic system that materially encouraged multiple sorts of anti-social behavior.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 4:48 PM  

sammibandit, why do you presume that it all stems from darkness and nihilism? Is it not possible that somebody may genuinely have no interest in children of their own, but prefer to contribute to the community in other ways?

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 4:48 PM  

The European civilization is dying due to them not having children and are being replaced by other civilizations that are having lots of children. It’s borderline self-genocide.

Read a book.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 4:50 PM  

Unknown wrote:This whole anti-MGTOW argument is pretty insipid. You speak if the only contribution one can make to a society is to add more people to it.
If htis post is a sample of what else youhae to offer, don't give up on breeding. On second thought, so.

PeasNHominy wrote:VD, are you a simpleton? How do you make the leap from an individual not procreating to them not caring about their civilization?
People who care confront fear, discouragement, pain and setbacks, rather than running away from them. That's what it means. Declarations of caring accomapnied by complete lack of any concrete exmples is just as dishonest coming from a gamma talking about his nation,a s they are coming from a woman talking about a relationship.
How fucking stupid are you?

Blogger Andrew Brown June 23, 2019 4:53 PM  

If this blog was a cake, VDs rhetoric would be the cherry on top.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 4:56 PM  

David Ray Milton, FYI whiteness/European heritage is no guarantee that someone will want to preserve and protect a civilization. That's where you people have such a mental block. It's not about having more and more people, it's about the values, the mores and the ideals we want to perpetuate. I, for one, am surrounded by white leftists and I would not hold out any hope that they'd care to build the type of society you'd be comfortable in.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 5:02 PM  

Snidely Whiplash, my concrete examples of caring about my civilization take a different form that merely shitting out kids. I work very hard to maintain the functioning of my community and my businesses. Many people count on me to help them keep their lives and families on track, which I do to the best of my ability. But at the end of the day, I like to relax with a bit of solitude and think my own thoughts. What have you got against freedom anyway?

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 5:03 PM  

You’re wrong. DNA matters and DNA has a lot to do with determining “values.”

Furthermore, if the non-Europeans overtake us, they will not only build a society that we will despise, but that we will likely not even be allowed to live in.

But hey, why don’t you please point to the non-European country on a map that you would want to live in. And don’t say Japan or China, they already have laws preventing that.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 5:08 PM  

David Ray Milton,
LOL, if DNA is so important, why are so many white people brain-dead SJW's? Why is my sister's political opinion almost 180 degrees different than mine? Our DNA should be pretty similar, shouldn't it?

Blogger Brett baker June 23, 2019 5:24 PM  

Best description I've seen yet.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 5:26 PM  

Apparently we do have to talk about the birds and the bees. Civilization isn't an entry but in the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica though there is an entry on Clan.

CLAN (Gaelic clann, O. Ir. cland, connected with Lat. planta, shoot or scion, the ancient Gaelic or Goidelic substituting k for p), a group of people united by common blood, and usually settled in a common habitat. The clan system existed in Ireland and the Highlands of Scotland from early times. In its strictest sense the system was peculiar to those countries, but, in its wider meaning of a group of kinsmen forming a self-governing community, the system as represented by the village community has been shown by Sir H. Maine and others to have existed at one time or another in all lands.

The adoption of such genealogical surnames fostered the notion that all who bore the same surname were kinsmen, and hence the genealogical term clann, which properly means the descendants of some progenitor, gradually became synonymous with tuath, tribe. Like all purely genealogical terms, clann may be used in the limited sense of a particular tribe governed by a chief, or in that of many tribes claiming descent from a common ancestor. In the latter sense it was synonymous with síl, siol, seed e.g. Siol Alpine, a great clan which included the smaller clans of the Macgregors, Grants, Mackinnons, Macnabs, Macphies, Macquarries and Macaulays.

The clan system in the most archaic form of which we have any definite information can be best studied in the Irish tuath, or tribe.1 This consisted of two classes: (1) tribesmen, and (2) a miscellaneous class of slaves, criminals, strangers and their descendants. The first class included tribesmen by blood in the male line, including all illegitimate children acknowledged by their fathers, and tribesmen by adoption or sons of tribeswomen by strangers, foster-sons, men who had done some signal service to the tribe, and lastly the descendants of the second class after a certain number of generations ...


Is your own way to be outcast? This is how Caucasian Celts and Northmen deal with outcasts. Even if you wish to improve this what we call civilization from the outcast position your immediate kin and theirs are also made outside the clan. This is the penalty of going your own way. Some men took it with a grin and founded nations like Leif Eriksen did.

You disconnect from society, society closes the gap. You are no savant or polymath. You are a pablum-feeder, belly-crawler. You called a simpleton a guy who is responsible for speeding more wombs than you'll ever. The smallest unit of society is the family, not the individual. Sorry. No exceptions.

Also don't ever imply you're interested in other people's children through lazy editing. Oh Mylanta, you didn't just beg it possible in my eyes that I find it permissible you have interests in other people's kids! Don't put that on me mistake or not.

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 5:26 PM  

With you and your sister you’re comparing one style of Western politics vs another style of Western politics. You’re contrasting Granny Smith apples to Honey Crisp apples. Try moving to the Congo with your sister and then we’ll see how different your political opinions are from one another.

Identity trumps ideology Every. Single. Time.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 5:30 PM  

sammibandit, it's a huge leap you're making to equate not having children of one's own with disconnecting from society. Believe me, there are plenty of people who have actually spawned children who are far more disconnected from society than I am.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 5:33 PM  

David Ray Milton,
WTF??? I thought you wanted to preserve western civilization. Now you're telling me that western civilization is home to all number of ideologies. What is it then that you are trying to accomplish here? If my sister takes over, it ain't gonna be the paradise you envision.

Blogger Austin Ballast June 23, 2019 5:35 PM  

So you are either a suck up or an idiot in Vox's eyes.

Pretty sad. I enjoy many things written here, but you have your head up your butt quite a bit in much of this Vox. Those who say the modern system is hugely flawed are not all liars, contrary to your claim.

You make the same kind of straw man you despise when others make one, but you can't see.

You bailed on the US and yet can tell men that bailing is evil and always wrong?

Alpha Game did not provide sufficient advice for a man to obtain a faithful wife and raise a strong family. It had some tips, but it stopped far too short.

Proclaiming "all who don't marry are liars and cheats" is idiotically ignoring the facts, but you can be good at that in some areas.

All who find modern marriage full of pitfalls that you and others (including many replying here) completely ignore are to be despised.

The fact that a man can do a wonderful job and still fail is completely glossed over. "Take one for the team!" "Man up!" "Don't be a wuss."

You will not likely face divorce and the loss of access to your children, especially since you live in Italy, so any risk there is minimal to you.

Having built a life and raised a group of children (adopted due to infertility in my wife) makes me evil, since I am highly unlikely to marry again after my wife dumped a long term marriage for no valid reason. She had all the right checkboxes up front, but I am just not enough of a man for you idiots replying here.

Much better is an acknowledgment that the system has huge flaws for men and even those who do it right have a strong chance of getting blown up.

The standard advice of taking care of yourself and such is good, but also does not keep a woman faithful.

Adam couldn't keep Eve faithful and they lived in perfection with God as a constant conversation partner. Do all of you really think you can do better just be trying harder?

Probably, and that will continue to harm our country/society as you will never fight against the real root issues. Denigrating men is far more fulfilling, for now at least!

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 5:35 PM  

Another thing you folks are not acknowledging is that there has to be somebody to do the dirty work. If we are all bogged down with dependents, we will be less free to go off and fight the necessary battles. Just remember that it takes all kinds and there are many roles to fill. Why not just let people find the niche they're most comfortable occupying?

Blogger Hatman June 23, 2019 5:37 PM  

The problem is the majority of men on this blog are older men. They don't realise just how promiscuous the average women is nowadays.

Most women are in the double digits when it comes to sexual partners. The number of women who aren't whores are a very small statistical minority.

There are not enough good women available for most men on the right to find matches. If you filtered out the non-whores and had ten babies with them it still wouldn't be anywhere near enough to save the white race in America. So the only way for men on the right to produce enough white babies would be if a large percentage of them wifed the sluts. Basically no guy will want to do this. Its not a serious option.

No one will listen to older men telling them to wife whores to help them achieve there political goals especially when you take into consideration the financial risks.

So as a guy you should look for a non-promiscuous women and if you can't find one (which is statistically likely) then you should consider surrogacy as a means to have children. You could hire a nanny to help you when the kids are young if need be. Wife's aren't necessary. And if you have a relationship with a women at a later point she has no rights over your kids.

Blogger lowercaseb June 23, 2019 5:40 PM  

The most frustrating thing about MGTOW is...You want to go your own way? Fine...Shut up and do it. But they never shut up about it. They can take the place of the Atheist, the Militant Vegan or the Crossfit enthusiast entering the bar from that old joke.

Like I said during the Gamma thread...when the great gamma purge comes, it's not going to be hard to find them. They are the ones that are going to be complaining to the black bag teams about how they are secretly winning by being sent to the camps.

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 5:43 PM  

Peas,

Western Civ is not an ideology. It’s the European people and their traditions.

Please do not bring up your sister again. You seem a little too preoccupied with her.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 5:51 PM  

David,
You sound like a person of very low intelligence. What is it that distinguishes the European people and their traditions from other groups? Oh...maybe their values, mores and ideals? What it is that distinguishes humans from the lower animals is that we can transcend our basic drives and make decisions based upon not only thought and reason, but also compassion and empathy. Ideology is EVERYTHING.

Blogger Roddie Piper June 23, 2019 6:00 PM  

The historical answer is for one brave man to stand on a platform and say, "Hear me, all ye incels and MGTOWs! Follow me to glory! We shall smash this rotten society, slay its perverted, treasonous ruling class, and take their women for ourselves! You have nothing to lose but your virginity!"

So this man becomes the first Emperor of North America, and all nubile women are barefoot and pregnant with his minions' seed, assuming he can rouse enough incel/MGTOWs and train them into an effective fighting force.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 6:06 PM  

sammibandit, it's a huge leap you're making to equate not having children of one's own with disconnecting from society.

You either stop creeping out women or you keep being disgusting. It doesn't matter. The stink of gamma is all over you. Since the social code follows where women and their spending goes, you really have no choice. So long as you're cut off you're no team player. You are a creep and I was right to call you a pabulum-feeder, belly-crawler. You talk way too specifically about kids.

It's simple and there is no leap. Because you are disgusting to women you are an outcast from the social-sexual hierarchy. In a sexually reproducing species a man's ability to not disgust women is what he relies on not to be an outcast and to have children with the highest ranking women. Men go where the women go. Women go away from you. You are an outcast, you just don't believe it yet.

Also stop underling other people's kids. That's weird. Definitely a good call on outcasting you.

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 6:08 PM  

Dear Peas,

You’re an idiot.

Look up voter demographics and see how many non-Europeans agree with your muh values and muh mores. When Europeans cease to be the majority in a democratic elective country, then those who take over will not give two sparrow shits about your values and ideology. Those in power will impose the ideology from their own countries and traditions. When the majority of “Americans” are from Mexico, then America ceases to become America and becomes Mexico instead.

It’s numbers man. It’s not hard.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 6:16 PM  

European is R1 and I2 haplogroups in their highest concentration, coincidentally found in Europe, if you wish to be accurate. And that is a very rough painting of European. It does not include Finns since they're Turkic, Asian, very isolated and it does include Picts and Basques though they're Pre-Indo European. Literally muh dick. We have the prettiest women in the world. Why don't gammas see the wisdom in puberty? It's like they're socially retarded to peri-pubescence.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 6:22 PM  

David,
A great many Europeans do not agree with Christian values. That's the point. Whiteness ain't no guarantee that somebody will be good and decent and a lover of truth. In fact, a lot of Mexicans I know are more conservative than the white liberals in the community. But to your point, wouldn't you want to have a certain number of people who are not tied down with dependents who would be able to risk life and limb defending our civilization from the invading hordes?

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 6:24 PM  

sammibandit, you are clearly not interested in constructive dialogue. You seem to prefer the ad hominem approach to arguing. I will say though that your assumptions are hilarious.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 23, 2019 6:25 PM  

"I feel like Clown World has somehow leaked in here."

You got that right...

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 6:33 PM  

Do you even pay attention to European elections? Some of the biggest up and coming nationalists are from regions or countries that value pulling your own weight cradle to grave, fitting in or effing off, and a robust social security net. I.E. hardcore leftists. "Papers, please". Southern Frenchmen and Northmen to name a few.

Mexicans won't be our allies because they can't be. You are dysgenic and malefic for encouraging others to cast aside people who bother to play the game even though they're for the other team over complete outsiders. There's a higher chance of European* leftists going nationalistic than Mexicans assimilating to any European culture.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 6:34 PM  

It's not ad hominem if it's true.

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 6:42 PM  

Peas,

1. No, I wouldn’t. MTGOW’s would be terrible soldiers. They would just bitch and complain about how hard war is during their entire deployment. They would wonder off and go fishing to find fulfillment, and when they would underachieve at fishing, they would just masturbate in the river.

2. Your arguments are based entirely on anecdote. The few Mexicans you know are not representative of the tens of millions in this country who vote leftist 80-90% of the time. Look it up.

3. I’m done arguing with you. I’m going to go make a European baby instead.

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Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 6:44 PM  

The only army MGTOWs join is that of the Prince of this Earth.

Blogger billo June 23, 2019 6:50 PM  

Hatman wrote:Most women are in the double digits when it comes to sexual partners. The number of women who aren't whores are a very small statistical minority.




Well, no, not really. Three points are important.

First, if all the women you meet are whores, then you are looking in the wrong places. There are places where women with particular attitudes are more prevalent, such as certain kinds of churches and similar groups. Not "all" the women, of course, and it's easy to point to hypocrites and such. But if you are playing the numbers, they are there. A number of young people from my church recently went on a a mission trip to a town in India to help support a new congregation there. They overcame a number of challenges to do so. I know a slightly older woman who helped organize smuggling of Bibles into China, at some risk to herself. I suspect that the number of "whores" among these young women missionaries is lower than that you would find in your local bar. Of course, these women also have a fairly finely tuned discrimination for poseurs, so one would have to be someone they would be willing to think about. These women are generally not as intrigued by the "bad boys" celebrated here than one might think.

Second, there's always the issue of what a "whore" is. I understand that it's harder to remain a virgin in today's world that it was when I was young. But it wasn't all that easy back then, either. More important, there's a difference between a "whore" and someone who has in the past failed to live up to standards they have set for themselves. In fact, if one managed to live up one's standards between the ages of 13 and 30, then I suspect that those standards were too low. The question is whether or not those standards are there, and whether the intent and effort to live to those standard is real. It may be that matching with a young lady who has those standards but is somewhat imperfect may help her attain those standards, just as she can help you maintain the standards that you have that you have failed to maintain.

Finally, if all one is attracting is "whores" then one might ask oneself why one is selectively attracting those people. Again, as I have noted, I didn't date for many years while I was in late college, medical school and graduate school. But in early college I did. What I noticed was that the kind of women I attracted when I was in college and the kind of women I attracted when I was in residency were very different. When it was clear I was seriously looking for a mate and that I had particular ideas about the kind of woman I was interested in, I attracted women who were similarly serious. It was a very different dynamic than when I was in college. Certainly age played a role -- dating when you are in your late 20s is different than when you are 18 -- but I knew plenty of guys in my demographic who were unmarried and attracted the same kind of women I attracted when I was much younger.

And you are right. Many of the women I dated in the later period were women who had already been in relationships. Women, I suspect, you would consider "whores." But they were not, really. They had made mistakes just like I had. And they had grown out of it -- and were looking for a different kind of man. Some women want to marry the outlaw. Some women want to marry the sheriff. They are different cohorts of women. If you want to attract the latter, then you gotta be the sheriff and not the outlaw. And that's on you.

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Blogger VD June 23, 2019 6:51 PM  

Those who say the modern system is hugely flawed are not all liars, contrary to your claim.

You are certainly a liar. Because that is not my claim. Especially since I am one who says the modern system is hugely flawed. There is far more to MGTOW than merely saying the modern system is flawed.

You make the same kind of straw man you despise when others make one, but you can't see.

I haven't made up anything. Everyone can see exactly what I'm describing here on the blog and especially in the YouTube comments.

Blogger Robert What? June 23, 2019 6:53 PM  

I can't say I know much about the MGTOW thing. Like many here, I am a hard working, tax paying, productive, business owner, husband and father. But after having been a slave to the System for all these decades (I'm almost 60), I can't fault someone for wanting to take themselves out of the System and not play the game at all.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 6:53 PM  

Besides, when a European leftist goes nationalistic, you wind up with National Socialists. God forbid that ever takes hold.

Go nationalistic? They already went nationalistic in two of the former occupied countries. Yellow Vests have protested almost a full gestational term and Denmark voted SocDem. No nazis in sight.

You're ethnically abusing people who didn't even want to be occupied by calling them nazis in order to make a ham-fisted point about people I guarantee don't care about you. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Do you employ illegals or something?

Blogger VD June 23, 2019 6:54 PM  

The problem is the majority of men on this blog are older men. They don't realise just how promiscuous the average women is nowadays.

Total horseshit. Plenty of the older men on this blog have daughters. They know how full of utter shit you are when you are claiming that all of their daughters are whores.

The problem is that they want good, strong men, not whiny little cowards like MGTOW.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 6:54 PM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 6:56 PM  

VD, why do you have to always be such a snarky jerk with your responses? Would it be possible to try to carry on a conversation without insults and invective?
IT'S NOT A CONVERSATION. IT'S A BEATDOWN.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 6:57 PM  

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Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 23, 2019 6:58 PM  

These threads really bring out the gammas. Now one is telling Vox how to act on his own blog.

Zero mystery why women despise you all.

Blogger PeasNHominy June 23, 2019 6:58 PM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 6:58 PM  

NO. A BLOG MODERATOR IS TIRED OF YOUR SNARKY DISHONEST GAMMA SHIT.

Blogger sammibandit June 23, 2019 6:59 PM  

Thanks, SDL. It's hard to know when to stop without direction.

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Blogger Bohemond June 23, 2019 7:01 PM  

@101

Yep, it does feel like a bunch of boomers giving life advice in here ("But it worked for me, in my day!"). They simply don't understand the lack of marriageable women in the USA. And those that are, are snapped up by all the Betas and Alphas, leaving very little for the Deltas.

The situation is much better in other countries, however. Nowhere is worse than the USA/Canada/UK in this regard.

@PeasNHominy

Monks were clearly evil cowards. I also wonder what we should think of that horrible little Gamma C.S. Lewis? How dare he not have any kids! /s

I'd give up Peas. I've never seen this kind of nonsense in the comments here before. The sheer amount of mindless rhetoric and insults being hurled is staggering.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 June 23, 2019 7:10 PM  

It is sad that there is no good advice to be had here. Changing a movement like this utilizing the exact same tactics and language the feminists use will be exactly as effective. So long as your breathing you're not out of the game and the US is not the world.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 7:14 PM  

This is why I miss Alpha Game Plan. Not because I ever read it, but these spittle-drenched snark babies would soil themselves over there, not here.

Blogger pnq87 June 23, 2019 7:26 PM  

http://www.unz.com/pfrost/young-male-and-single/


"It sucks being young, male, and single. Don’t think so? Go to the Interactive Singles Map of the United States and see how it looks for the 20 to 39 age group. Almost everywhere single men outnumber single women.

And the real picture is worse. For one thing, the imbalance is greater among singles without children. This is not a trivial factor, since single mothers are “single” only in the sense of being available for sexual relations. They are still raising offspring from a previous relationship and many are not interested in having more children.

Then there’s polygamy—or “polyamory,” to use the preferred term—where a minority of men controls sexual access to a larger number of women.
[...]
Finally, there’s a racial angle. This sex ratio is more skewed among White Americans than among African Americans, mainly because the latter have a lower sex ratio at birth and a higher death rate among young men.
[...]
The baby boom eclipsed an equally important but longer-term trend: more and more men are living past the age of 40. With or without the baby boom, we’ll still see large numbers of older men getting divorced and marrying younger women.
[...]
At present, there are more White American women outmarrying than White American men, particularly in younger age groups. This disparity is mainly in marriages with African American men, there being no gender difference in marriages with Hispanic Americans and the reverse gender difference in marriages with Asian Americans (Jacobs and Labov, 2002; Passel et al., 2010). Overall, this factor further skews the ratio of young single men to young single women in the White American community.
[...]
Finally, there’s “game.” My attitude toward game is like my attitude toward gender reassignment. Both are attempts to push the envelope of phenotypic plasticity beyond its usual limits, and neither can fully achieve the desired result. A lot of boys aren’t wired for game, and there are good reasons why, just as there are good reasons why some people are born male. Male shyness isn’t a pathology. It’s an adaptation to a social environment that values monogamy and high paternal investment while stigmatizing sexual adventurism. Our war on male shyness reflects our perverse desire to create a society of Don Juans and single mothers.

But if game works, why not? Whatever floats your boat."



The European genotype which was bred for docility by the monarchs of the past and thrived in a sexual ecological "garden", cannot survive in the modern sexually anarchic wildland.

Blogger Hatman June 23, 2019 7:28 PM  

I never said all women are whores, I said the majority.

If we say 20% of women in America are good (which is probably a significant exaggeration) and 40 % of the men are. Then it means half of the good men won't be able to find a good wife. The 20% of men left over don't want to wife the whores and don't know what else to do.

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 7:29 PM  

@Bohemond

I’m a millennial, btw, not a boomer. Sure, I would consider myself at the top of the SS Hierarchy, but that didn’t stop all of my delta friends from getting married and having babies.

How many different ways can someone say it?

Lower. Your. Standards.

Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 7:38 PM  

Nobody has an answer to my contention that a young man should consult with an attorney before he signs any legal papers, and I think y'all are afraid that a competent attorney will talk any intelligent young man out of signing them there legal papers just by telling him the truth.

Blogger Beau June 23, 2019 7:39 PM  

They simply don't understand the lack of marriageable women in the USA.

Not at all. That's why I walked my oldest daughter on my arm to the student cafeteria at her college campus. My message to all within eyesight was, "This is my daughter. She is a lady. You will treat her that way." She married well. My second daughter also married extremely well. My third, I pray for her everyday that she too will find a strong, principled, godly man.

Blogger Bohemond June 23, 2019 7:42 PM  

@139

I wasn't talking to you specifically, I was generalizing. I'm not a Delta. My standards are fine. I don't need your advice, I've no issue in this area.

If you are in the USA and "all" of your millennial Delta friends are married and having babies you belong to a very unusual subculture. Good for you. Want a cookie?

I belong to an unusual subculture as well. I don't have the same problems most young men do. I'm very fortunate. Yey. Good for F-ing me.

What's this got to do with it?

Blogger Hatman June 23, 2019 7:44 PM  

I'm pretty sure "Lower. Your. Standards." is this blogs version of "Wife the Sluts"

Either that or people or this blog don't get the problems young guys have when looking for a wife.

Blogger doctrev June 23, 2019 7:44 PM  

Man. You see this many people STILL willing to take up MGTOW, you end up thinking that it would be pretty easy for a foreigner to find a good and eligible American wife.

Blogger Nate June 23, 2019 7:49 PM  

I just spend a week running a vacation bible school for 83 kids.. sharing the gospel and the love of jesus christ... with kids that these grow pieces of shit are to fragile to produce.

go die.

Blogger Daniel June 23, 2019 7:49 PM  

Much of the MGTOW argument is compelling, but there really is no future without marriage and family.

Go MGWTOW part of the way. Drop out from consumer society, but create your own, with like-minded. Get married and have children, with the understanding that the marriage might go south and the ex takes the kids. But, once the children are 18, they are yours again, and no they won't be corrupted forever by the wizardry of a harpy. If anything, children recognize the poison that permanently aggrieved mothers bring to families and will side with you, once they are legally emancipated. So go, MGTOW, but not all the way. Build community, marriage, family and hope for the best. The odds are with you.

Blogger Nate June 23, 2019 7:52 PM  

grrr.. typo. grow = mtgow

Blogger Nate June 23, 2019 7:54 PM  

the whole mgtow position is bullshit. they aren't the ones doing the rejecting. they are gammas posing as the projectors

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 7:54 PM  

I guaran-damn-tee, if I caught one of you creepy bastards snoobling around one of my daughters, you'd learn the definition of fear on the quick.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 23, 2019 7:55 PM  

"Man. You see this many people STILL willing to take up MGTOW, you end up thinking that it would be pretty easy for a foreigner to find a good and eligible American wife."

@144 doctrev
Or for an American man.

Blogger Unknown June 23, 2019 7:56 PM  

Hey

Blogger Bohemond June 23, 2019 7:57 PM  

@141

I would posit that your daughters (being, it sounds, raised Christian) are more high value than most other young women. I'd also posit that this has something to do with them marring well. As I said, the good girls get snapped up. As I've also said, the top men have it good right now. I haven't, and I don't think anyone else here has, questioned the quality of children produced by homeschooling Christian communities.

The problem is how it shakes out for more average people.

I think Vox even talked for awhile during a Darkstream last year about how important it is for Deltas to have access to women and how, otherwise, they'll check out...

Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 7:57 PM  

Hey, why did you delete Peas & Hominy? Was she striking a nerve?

Blogger Brick Hardslab June 23, 2019 8:00 PM  

Prayer is always important. I suspect from everything you've written you've done your duty as a father including providing a good example.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 8:00 PM  

I explained it above, dishonest gamma snark.
And I'm keeping an eye on you.

Blogger doctrev June 23, 2019 8:01 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:
Or for an American man.


That goes without saying. Men always have to compete for women. All any American has to do is be man enough to get out there.

Blogger David Ray Milton June 23, 2019 8:02 PM  

@Bohemond

Glad to see you’re so concerned about all of the people in the world. You’re a real Mother Theresa bleeding heart to all of the deltas.

I don’t think you know what subculture means. And I regrettably live in one of the largest cities in America.

If subculture is your faggy way of saying church, then yes, these MTGOW faggots need to go to church to find a wife. Glad we agree.

Blogger Brick Hardslab June 23, 2019 8:03 PM  

My grandkids just finished vbs they had great fun.

Blogger Unknown June 23, 2019 8:03 PM  

Anybody who doesn't kiss VD's ass gets banned.

Blogger billo June 23, 2019 8:04 PM  

Hatman wrote:I never said all women are whores, I said the majority.

If we say 20% of women in America are good (which is probably a significant exaggeration) and 40 % of the men are. Then it means half of the good men won't be able to find a good wife. The 20% of men left over don't want to wife the whores and don't know what else to do.


You mean there are winners and losers in the competition for mates? Welcome to natural selection :-).

Of course I disagree with your numbers. It's funny, because many of the young women I know complain bitterly about the scarcity of decent young men with prospects. Listening to the men in this discussion one would think that good marriageable young women would be plucking mates from the vine like cherry tomatoes in July. But it doesn't seem to be that way. Certainly not among the numerous millenial age young ladies I meet professionally -- who are both attractive and very unsatisfied with their pickings as well.

I've also noticed that they tend to gravitate to masculine men. And, by the way, it takes more than a beard. None have fallen for woke types. Interestingly, of the three young ladies I know who are the most "woke," they have been the ones who keep getting in unsuccessful relationships. Of course, the few young ladies I know are not a representative sample. But the dynamics don't really seem to be all that different that it was when I was younger.

Men are pretty much men, and women are pretty much women. And eventually they figure that out when things get serious.

It may also be that cynicism about women is apparent. If one thinks that 80% of women are whores, perceptive women might pick up on that -- and it may not be an attractive trait.

One of the later respondents, #139 said "Lower. Your. Standards." I don't think that's the problem. I would say "Change. Your. Attitude."

I'll also point out that the woman I married I had no intention of dating. I had gotten tickets to a concert, and none of the women in my book were available. I called up my wife, who I had met at work, and asked her out. She declined and said she didn't particularly like me. I said that's OK, because I didn't particularly like her either. That was why I'd never called her I just needed a female on my arm or it would be socially embarrassing to show up alone in the group I hung out with. It was a high-demand concert and was sold out. I said I didn't want to jump her bones, I just want to go to the concert and I can't go alone. She agreed on the condition that we all accepted there were no expectations. We had a great time. A year later we were married. As everybody says, it's not the goal, it's the journey.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 8:06 PM  

Unknown wrote:Anybody who doesn't kiss VD's ass gets banned.
That's one (1) dishonest gamma snark.

Blogger DarwinIsAHarshMistress June 23, 2019 8:11 PM  

How many sockpuppets does Mr MGTOW use here?

PeasNHominy, Austin Ballast, Unknown, Cyrillic Dude, Alphaeus -- others???

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 8:16 PM  

@Unknown, that's 2

Blogger Bohemond June 23, 2019 8:17 PM  

@157
Commenting on social issues makes me a bleeding heart?

"I don’t think you know what subculture means."

I do. You, however, do not. Subculture: A cultural group within a larger culture, often having beliefs or interests at variance with those of the larger culture.

In the USA, Christians are a subculture.

Yes, we do agree. Which is why it's somewhat silly that you're being such a dick.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 23, 2019 8:19 PM  

This has been one hell of a thread. I can't believe the stupidity of some of the "commenters". (or has it all been just one guy?)

I am old so no one gives a damn about "the way if was". But I will comment any damn way.

From 18 to 22 I dated only to find my mate. I never was refused by a girl. After 9, and they were all great in their way, I asked God to show me the one. I was told to go find one of my nation. I went home on vacation to my home city and found her in a week. We have now been together over 4 decades.

Someone up-thread said "ask God". Good advice for all of us.

Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 8:19 PM  

"doctrev June 23, 2019 7:44 PM

>>> Man. You see this many people STILL willing to take up MGTOW, you end up thinking that it would be pretty easy for a foreigner to find a good and eligible American wife.<<<

Perhaps the problem is not what you think it is. Only a fool wants an American wife nowadays. Why do you think American men go elsewhere to look for wives. Perhaps you should consider the possibility that the anti-MGTOW's are actually stupid monkeys who don't know what they're talking about. I'm not interested in hunting all around the world for a wife, I'm content without one, but to any guy who wants a wife, I say, consult with an attorney and then if he doesn't talk you out of it go anywhere else besides America to find your wife.

Blogger Unknown June 23, 2019 8:20 PM  

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 23, 2019 8:22 PM  

Cry more, Alphaeus. I'm sure that will make everything better.

Blogger buwaya June 23, 2019 8:23 PM  

Well, I'm a foreigner who found an American wife. And we raised a bunch of American children.
There are fine American women around, in some places in great surplus.

Its a matter of personal circumstance and good luck also I suppose. But giving up leaves no room for good luck. You cant win without buying your lottery tickets.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 23, 2019 8:27 PM  

@166

Weren't you QUITTING 4EVER upthread?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 8:27 PM  

Unknown wrote:Proved my point.
No, you're lying.
I've disagreed with VD right here on this very blog, many many times. Now I'm a moderator. How did that work?
You, on the other hand, are a creepy little snake that thinks other people owe you respect and a fair hearing. You're sure your rhetorical jiu-jitsu will demonstrate to everybody what a noble, intelligent, fair-minded, intelligent, wise, intelligent, thoughtful and intelligent man you are. Guess what? All your dishonest gamma snark does is disgust and revolt every single person you come into contact with. Men want to beat you and women want to be away from you.
Stop lying to yourself. Take an honest assessment, and CHANGE YOURSELF. People do it all the time. The only thing stopping you is you.

Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 8:27 PM  

"Well, I'm a foreigner who found an American wife. And we raised a bunch of American children. There are fine American women around, in some places in great surplus.
Its a matter of personal circumstance and good luck also I suppose. But giving up leaves no room for good luck. You cant win without buying your lottery tickets."

I've read VD long enough to know that he would say that you did NOT raise American children, you raised FOREIGN children because you are a FOREIGNER. You are NOT part of American posterity and you and your half breed children can never ever ever be Americans. If VD tells you different now he is contradicting himself.

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 8:33 PM  

Alphaeus wrote:If VD tells you different now he is contradicting himself.
Trying to lay that old rhetorical trap?
God, you're stupid.

Blogger Unknown June 23, 2019 8:36 PM  

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Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 8:38 PM  

"If VD tells you different now he is contradicting himself.
Trying to lay that old rhetorical trap? God, you're stupid."

That's not rhetoric, that's logic. Dialectic. Try reading what VD has said about it and you'll see the difference. And it's not a trap. I wouldn't think VD is dumb enough to fall for such a silly gambit. He's got a 150 IQ, after all. He ought to see it with half his brain tied behind his back.

Blogger Blacksmith Zeke June 23, 2019 8:39 PM  

Statistically speaking, several studies suggest both young men and young women are sleeping with fewer people than they were in the 90s, when I was a young adult, such as:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/06/why-millennials-have-sex-with-fewer-partners-than-their-parents-did/?utm_term=.9c0db73044e2

There are others, easily googled. I suspect the young men complaining about how women today are just "so slutty older guys can't understand," mostly just don't know how to relate to women. Probably they were raised by the internet and cell phones, and never got the experience of talking to girls in person. They watch porn, search dating apps, text at some womens' photos and wonder why they aren't successful. Not that long ago, if you wanted female attention, you had to show up, in person, to where random women were, and then smile at the ones you thought you had a chance with and walk up to them and start a conversation. Then you had to ask for their number. Then you had to cold call them and ask them out, perhaps after talking with their father or roommate. Then you usually had to jump through an entire series of hoops to convince them you were worth paying attention to. Men these days don't know how to interact with anything they can't download. If the idea of walking up to a woman you don't know and telling her you're interested terrifies you, you're probably a coward and women can smell fear.

MGTOW are a combination of young cowards and older failures, each comforting each other. That's the ugly truth. Procreation is the main point of existence, and ultimately one of the only acts that matters, for every living creature. Call it profound or call it ridiculous; it doesn't matter. MGTOW is knocking over the game board when you're losing.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 8:39 PM  

And you don't even know what a rhetorical trap is.
God, you're stupid.

Blogger VD June 23, 2019 8:40 PM  

Yep, it does feel like a bunch of boomers giving life advice in here ("But it worked for me, in my day!"). They simply don't understand the lack of marriageable women in the USA.

We're not Boomers, you moron. And we know literally hundreds of marriageable women in the USA between us. The thing is, we don't regard creatures like you as being marriageable men, because you're a bunch of lying, cowardly weasels who would rather cry than fight.

Blogger Silent Draco June 23, 2019 8:41 PM  

Roll Tide.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 23, 2019 8:51 PM  

I think Vox even talked for awhile during a Darkstream last year about how important it is for Deltas to have access to women and how, otherwise, they'll check out...

@152 Bohemond
With so many Gammas around these days, the Deltas are actually becoming high-value by default.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 23, 2019 8:55 PM  

I've read VD long enough to know that he would say that you did NOT raise American children, you raised FOREIGN children because you are a FOREIGNER.

@172 Alphaeus
In defense of buwaya, I remember him... he's a right-wing Filipino. His kids should turn out better than, say, Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL).

Blogger Uncle John's Band June 23, 2019 9:02 PM  

It's the cowardice then bleating about being "shamed" that is so loathsome. If the level of thought and character on display is indicative, mgtow is likely their only option.


"And you don't even know what a rhetorical trap is.
God, you're stupid."

He is a liar, but the 2SD gap is definitely in play.

Blogger Watcher of the skies June 23, 2019 9:04 PM  

I laughed so hard.
This dude has no clue what Supreme Dark Lord means or represents.

#AlphaGame

Blogger Beau June 23, 2019 9:04 PM  

Only a fool wants an American wife nowadays.

*sigh*

A Text Msg from my son-in-law: "Happy Father's Day! I appreciate all the hard work you put into raising a wonderful daughter who is a superlative example of God-loving femininity."

How did he win her? Ask yourself. Isn't this what you want?

Blogger Scott June 23, 2019 9:13 PM  

@183

Alphaeus is a typical Gamma offended by the truth.

Hey buddy, you've been sold a pack of lies by the MGTOW movement. AWALT / NAWALT has a grain of truth to it because women are followers and the default program women are following in society is abhorrent.

Women are followers. Learn to lead and any woman will follow as predictably as a fat person will eat the whole cake if you let them.

Another lie is the despair porn of generalized divorce stats being applied to individuals. Just because other marriages have failed doesn't mean yours will. There are reasonable precautions that you can make to increase your odds of a happy marriage.

Another lie is that all criticism, especially framed as rhetoric, is an attempt to shame you into compliance.

Hypergamy, Gynocentrism, the female social matrix, the wall, the cock-carousel, etc. All of those lies have a grain of truth to them and MGTOW has completely warped your view of life into despair and misery.

VD is right to call you ideological zombies. Hedonists. Liars. Cowards. All of these labels are not mere shaming tactics. They're demonstrably true.

Blogger Kristophr June 23, 2019 9:14 PM  

I think most of the gammas commenting here are what Aaron Clarey calls "VirginTOWs".

The original MGTOWs were formerly married men who were screwed in divorce court after failing to maintain frame with their wives.

You don't have to live alone all your life. Work out. Learn to shut your whore mouth and stop being gamma. Learn effective martial arts. Learn some game. Lower your standards a little. always maintain frame. I did all of the above, and have been happily married for over 30 years.

Yea, it's hard if you are gamma. Fixing that is even harder. You have to do this yourself. We can't help you.

There is your advice, VirginTows. It works. You only have to man up and do it.

Blogger Bohemond June 23, 2019 9:14 PM  

@VD

"We're not Boomers, you moron. And we know literally hundreds of marriageable women in the USA between us. The thing is, we don't regard creatures like you as being marriageable men, because you're a bunch of lying, cowardly weasels who would rather cry than fight."

I didn't say you are boomers. I'm sure you know many great young women. I know many marriageable women in the USA, as well.

That doesn't mean that there aren't fewer marriageable women in the USA than men. The propaganda machine is very powerful and targets women and girls more aggressively and more effectively.

Deltas are getting screwed over and checking out. I feel bad for them and don't agree with throwing insults their way. Not every MGTOW is a Gamma behind a keyboard.

I agree with everything else you say on this subject.

Blogger LibertyPortraits June 23, 2019 9:14 PM  

Skin in the game. MGTOWs have none.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 23, 2019 9:15 PM  

Sometimes I wonder if MGTOW has some limited use. At least the pre-2016 MGTOW. Sometime around late 2015 was when MGTOW went from truly "going your own way" - meaning if marriage was your way, then it qualified though you might have handled it differently - to this mewling insufferable MRA LARP thing. You don't defeat feminism by acting worse than they do.
But maybe it can help some guys like Jordan Peterson. To a certain point. The cheetos-dust covered basement dweller who is ready to hang himself from one of the pipes running along the ceiling might benefit from the "clean your room" thing. It's always a good start anyway. I heard only good things of JP even from people higher up. So when Vox set his calling out on JP I took interest. He's right. But the complete loser ready to check out permanently or go shoot up the mall might have been helped by JP, but it does not go beyond that. So instead of an incident we get a lobster.
With MGTOW, it might help the absolute turbo simp that pedestalizes the worst women in so far as MGTOW also, at one time, also pushed self-improvement. But like JP, if there is no progression, you get more "lobsters" only in this matter you get guys who are stuck in some ideal of MGTOW as a movement and are for the most part castrating themselves with all but a blade.
Hence the support for MGTOW. I get what MGTOW pushes. But it's part of hyper-individuality and that as a program to destroy civilization. Sure some fellow takes his ball(s) and goes home, but Jose or Jamal will still brainlessly crank out 10 kids each.
People are stuck with MGTOW because like someone who still likes JP, they come from a horrible state of being and know nothing more. Telling them they or their ideals are wrong makes them think they have to go back. Much of what Vox is saying about MGTOW is correct, but its adherents, these turbo simps who made all of the mistakes and suffered for it, were in such a lowly state this horrible MGTOW thing actually saved them. What they need is to be open-minded and brave enough to move on.
And I know because I was one of them. I come from the factory.

Blogger basementhomebrewer June 23, 2019 9:15 PM  

I'm pretty sure "Lower. Your. Standards." is this blogs version of "Wife the Sluts"

Either that or people or this blog don't get the problems young guys have when looking for a wife.


You clearly aren't trying very hard. I notice you disregard all the advice to find a good biblical church. If you go to one that is full of older people look for another one. I am a millennial and a delta and managed it. Want to know something else? My Church is a mid size church ~300 members. Our young singles group has ~50 regular attendees. Over half are women and of those most are 7's or above. I was shocked at some of the low status guys pulling 7's and 8's out of that group. Young women are thirsty for biblical men. They are obviously lowering their standards to find them. You just have to go to the right places to find what you are seeking. Are you really looking for a Christ centered marriage in the first place? Based on the way you brush the Christian advice aside I suspect not.

Blogger Alphaeus June 23, 2019 9:33 PM  

"It's the cowardice then bleating about being "shamed" that is so loathsome. If the level of thought and character on display is indicative, mgtow is likely their only option. "

Shaming is not an argument. My feelings are not hurt when dumb people try to shame me with nonsense. I might get shamed by an intelligent thoughtful argument that contained some facts and logic, but I DESPAIR of finding that around here, unfortunately.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 9:39 PM  

Alphaeus wrote:. I might get shamed by an intelligent thoughtful argument that contained some facts and logic, but I DESPAIR of finding that around here, unfortunately.
The door's right over there. You're welcome to leave at any time. There is neither chain on you leg nor loved one held hostage.
Oh, right, we've insulted your almighty self-image and now we must be made to pay by your continual self-pitying puling.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 23, 2019 9:41 PM  

Get out, Alphaeus. You are poison.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 23, 2019 9:58 PM  

"Are you really looking for a Christ centered marriage in the first place? Based on the way you brush the Christian advice aside I suspect not."

Most of these MGTOW sorts appear to be atheists... and I think we all know what atheists are like.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2019 10:03 PM  

T-Rav wrote:If all you have to say to people asking these questions and raising these issues is "screw off, have fun dying alone," then frankly, you're kind of useless. You're a brilliant man, and I hope to see the mainstream Right transformed by the ideas you and others have been advocating, but to judge by your online persona alone, you suck at playing well with others.
Aren't you ASHAMED Vox? You DON'T PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS! Next a gamma will discover and reveal to all the world that you don't give a fuck about other people's feelings! The Humanity!

Look, cupcake, he's the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil. He enjoys watching all you pathetic worms writhe in emotional torment when you're called out for being what you are.

Blogger billo June 23, 2019 10:04 PM  

Unknown wrote:Anybody who doesn't kiss VD's ass gets banned.

Ahem. I disagree with many things Mr. Day finds important. I think this alpha, beta, gamma thing is counterproductive. I disagree with his view of Israel. I disagree with his view of the Church. I disagree with his view of Judeo-Christian tradition. I even disagree with most of his views on race. I have said so.

Mr. Day has the disadvantage of being wrong, in my opinion, about many, many things.

But he has the incredible advantage of being interesting -- which is much more important in a blog. He says what he means without dissembling, without apology, and he says it intelligently. More big plusses.

And I have not been banned.

Blogger Scott June 23, 2019 10:11 PM  

@190 The MGTOW community went full retard when Turd Flining Monkey realized he could make money selling sex dolls and Bar Bar found a girlfriend and no one stepped in to fill his role as philosophical gatekeeper.

Recognizing the dangers of marriage and divorce isn't a bad thing. Allowing fear to control your life is pure cowardice.

MGTOW isn't about self-actualization. It's about hiding in a corner with a sex doll and howling at the world.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 23, 2019 10:18 PM  

Fear is the mind killer.

Blogger rekrapt June 23, 2019 10:28 PM  

I fought my battle. I got married. Made the wrong choice. Got deceived. Or love-struck. However you want to parse it. I contributed two beautiful, intelligent, nationalist white girls to the mix of the world. One of them doesn't speak to me anymore because of the lies of my ex-wife (to cover the indisputable fact that she ran off with one of my rich clients)... The other, though talented... is a loner with big mommy issues. My track record with women has been awful. The one I'm with now started off great, and has turned into a frigid, indifferent, neurotic mess. At 54, I've resigned myself to just waiting for all the dogs in the world to finally get their day. I'm here for my children if they want me. And, my advice to young white men is always the same: find a good woman if you can, a mediocre one if you can't, and make as many children as you can. Civilization depends on it. If you get burned, never fear... find Christ and you'll get your reward while other burn in the fires of Hell.

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