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Sunday, June 23, 2019

Neoclowns are insanely stupid

President Trump confirms that John Bolton is a warmongering idiot:
Donald Trump has confirmed that his top foreign policy adviser wants to embroil the US in multiple international conflicts. But the US president insists he retains final say on whether American missiles are to fly into Iran.

In a sit-down Meet the Press interview broadcast Sunday, host Chuck Todd asked Trump if he was “being pushed into military action against Iran” by his advisers – presumably pointing to the aggressive pronouncements from National Security Advisor John Bolton.

“I have two groups of people. I have doves and I have hawks,” replied Trump. “John Bolton is absolutely a hawk. If it was up to him he'd take on the whole world at one time, okay?”
Americans had better pray the neoclowns don't come to power again, as they did during the Bush years. Because they will start a war with the rest of the world and they will lose it.

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56 Comments:

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook June 23, 2019 4:08 PM  

Bolton is actually a parasitic warmongering mustache attaching itself to a new host when the old one passes on.
Be very concerned if you see him clean shaven.

Blogger liberranter June 23, 2019 4:11 PM  

Americans had better pray the neoclowns don't come to power again, as they did during the Bush years. Because they will start a war with the rest of the world and they will lose it.

I'm beginning to believe that the ONLY thing that will completely cure this country of its krieglust once and for all is for these mentally retarded and deranged chickenhawks to get the wars they demand and for the full consequences of the inevitable defeat to make themselves felt on HOME SOIL.

To date, the American Empire has been able to transfer the ultimate costs of its imperial war misadventures onto the other countries against which it has attacked. Only when those same costs come home to roost will things have even a remote probability of changing.

Blogger Hammerli 280 June 23, 2019 4:14 PM  

Ah, but how much of this is an act? Trump needs someone in his administration who can play the role of the trigger-happy killer.

Viewed from a rational standpoint, the Iranians have destroyed equipment. Expensive and VERY scarce equipment, but equipment. Not lives. Meaning that any counterstroke must either avoid killing or risk escalation.

And while escalation is an option, we need to go into it open-eyed and with due deliberation.

Blogger Azimus June 23, 2019 4:16 PM  

That guy better be in the first wave to go in - how can a country like ours tolerate a scuzzy little coward actually being in charge of the marines?

From his wikipedia article: "Bolton was a supporter of the Vietnam War, but purposely avoided military service in Vietnam."

You can read about his application for the National Guards when his college deferment ran out there.

Nasty little weasel.

Blogger Jeroth June 23, 2019 4:20 PM  

If this article is correct, Trump may have delayed the ICE raids because of operational security, rather than "at the request of the Democrats":

Leak From DHS Acting Secretary May Have Been Why Trump Canceled ICE Raid

But can he please finally get these traitors out of his government and do what needs to be done?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 23, 2019 5:00 PM  

There is no one else, Jeroth. 95% of DC is traitors.

Blogger wahr01 June 23, 2019 5:00 PM  

Trump knew Bolton's reputation when he hired the man, and he's playing the role Trump expected him to play:

Rabid, chained pitbull.

"Look at this here pitbull, out-right vicious isn't he? Be a shame if you forced me to let loose the leash"

Blogger Mystic On Main June 23, 2019 5:01 PM  

Whether it is the right or wrong decision to direct a forward deployment and project power beyond your shores, once you decide to do so, you damn well better defend your position. I have significant doubts that TGE has it in him to defend our position, deter real enemies and stand up to challenges. Either pull back or defend your position. I don't know if he understands this or, if he does, has the sack to defend and deter.

Blogger wahr01 June 23, 2019 5:04 PM  

@8

It's clear from month one of his administration that Trump's policy has been to de-emphasize our international deployments by "passing the baton" to regional powers.

Example: the arming of the Saudis

Blogger Lucas June 23, 2019 5:06 PM  

Time is short. Newcowns are fully aware that that Sino-Russians are gaining on them.

Blogger Salt June 23, 2019 5:10 PM  

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Bolton is as close as it gets.

Blogger Mystic On Main June 23, 2019 5:11 PM  

@9

We've been arming the Saudis for decades.

But you are right. Trump clearly wants to pull back America's projection of strength. However, until he actually makes real moves to move real manpower and firepower, he better be ready to defend America's clearly announced sphere of influence. I'm merely saying that despite what he wants and says, he seems neither capable of pulling back troops or defending our forward projection inventory.

Blogger anorganicbear June 23, 2019 5:13 PM  

I don't get the problem with neoclowns. After all, besides the great foreign wars that help our economy so much, we also get highly Christian SCOTUS justices like Sonya Sotomayor.

Blogger wahr01 June 23, 2019 5:16 PM  

@12

He's carefully shifted any actions to allies/proxies and because of that has managed to avoid circumstances which compel direct US retaliation.

Expect this to continue, but if we want it to work we need to slightly increase the quality of our export models.. particularly our armor, which is utter trash.

Blogger Quilp June 23, 2019 5:25 PM  

Who exactly is advising Trump to sit down with Stephanopoulos, and F Chuck?

Blogger Dan in Georgia June 23, 2019 5:28 PM  

Thinking Trump is a Godfather fan too. I’m sure he’s met a lot of the guys the characters are based on.

Blogger Brett baker June 23, 2019 5:31 PM  

Easy on The Saker, dude. That stuff can rot your brain in large doses.

Blogger J Van Stry June 23, 2019 5:35 PM  

Honestly, I wish we'd just bring everyone home at this point.

As for Afghanistan, do to them what the British did in the ME. Break them up in to a series of new countries, with diverse/competing groups in each and appoint a 'king'. They'll spend the next hundred years fighting each other and we can go back to ignoring them.

This is why I wanted to use nukes after 9/11. Then we wouldn't have ended up embroiled in a two decade long war, because no one knows what they want to do.

Blogger Rick June 23, 2019 5:46 PM  

“I have doves and I have hawks,”

Sounds like a nice portfolio. Why have one or the other? That sounds like asking for trouble.

Blogger gunner451 June 23, 2019 5:58 PM  

Eventually one of these countries will figure out that the best way to short circuit the American War machine is to hit the US as hard as they can (especially if it is targeted at the elites). If they bring the war to our home shores there will be hell to pay for the leaders the brought that upon us and would most likely end the constant drum beat for wars.

Blogger doctrev June 23, 2019 6:13 PM  

At this point, the blackpillers are increasingly risible. Donald Trump is responsible for fewer cruise missile murders than any President since the Tomahawk was invented. Iran is suffering under sanctions, as they should, and while the first attack was easy to shrug off as a false flag, they're increasingly desperate to escalate things to war. President Trump has left them very few choices.

Personally, I'd like to see Iran's allies in the US held to account for any dead servicemen, but at the end Trmp has earned our trust in handling this problem.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2019 6:39 PM  

Bolton is useful... to a degree.

Having a dog with viscous bark that foams at the mouth constantly has a certain utility if you know when and how to use it.

It's the threat that is effectual in foreign policy. Rather than the exercise of that threat.

Trump is the best foreign policy president we've had since Nixon, which is quite the compliment if you actually know something about history.

Blogger cecilhenry June 23, 2019 6:45 PM  

But knowing that, why in the world does Trump keep such Neo-Con warmongers on board??

Is he being coerced into it in some way.

Get them out of the White house!!!

Blogger Robert What? June 23, 2019 7:00 PM  

"If it was up to him he'd take on the whole world at one time, okay?”

As long as he (Bolton) nor any of his family, friends or cronies were put in harm's way.

Blogger van helsing June 23, 2019 7:06 PM  

if a position, like a cabinet secretary job, requires senate confirmation, guess what? the senate will be a lot kinder to presidential nominations of swampers. actually there's a lot of positions that require senate confirmation. good thing trump uses "actors" skillfully. there isnt much way to get dedicated anti-swampers into a lot of confirmable positions as of yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_positions_filled_by_presidential_appointment_with_Senate_confirmation

Blogger van helsing June 23, 2019 7:06 PM  

he has also let some positions just sit vacant, avoiding battles, and making the positions and/or departments look less necessary.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 23, 2019 7:23 PM  

There is no one else

Pretty much. After 30+ years of bipartisan neocon rule, nationalists with extensive foreign policy experience aren't growing on trees in DC. Trump wanted Flynn, but other than him I don't recall hearing many good candidates. He can't afford to have someone inexperienced in case some other country makes things hot in a hurry. And as van helsing points out, he has to get them confirmed.

When Trump started making appointments, two that were cheered in these parts were Sessions and Mattis. While I think we will eventually learn Sessions was doing more than we saw, both men turned out to be less willing to challenge the bureaucratic (neocon) status quo than we expected. Getting qualified people who will buck the establishment is easier said than done. At least Bolton is predictable: if his mouth is moving, he's recommending war.

"But the US president insists he retains final say on whether American missiles are to fly into Iran."

Well, yeah, he's the president. Media keeps remarking on this as if there should be a question about it. Kinda like how they say Barr should be entirely independent of Trump. I even saw someone call that "separation of powers" the other day. They're really pushing this idea that the president should be "first among equals" with his cabinet.

Blogger doctrev June 23, 2019 7:41 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:There is no one else

Pretty much. After 30+ years of bipartisan neocon rule, nationalists with extensive foreign policy experience aren't growing on trees in DC. Trump wanted Flynn, but other than him I don't recall hearing many good candidates. He can't afford to have someone inexperienced in case some other country makes things hot in a hurry.


What's a good candidate going to need? Madeline Albright has experience, you definitely don't want her back. At this point, just about any sergeant in the Marine Corps will be a lateral trade at worst for quite a few cabinet departments. Rather a loyal horse than a disloyal professional.

Blogger Unknown June 23, 2019 8:38 PM  

Any war the US initiates would take the other "five eyes" with them, that is Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the UK. The five eyes is the collective spook and listening operations of (SIGINT) of these four nations plus the US for those not knowing this. And SIGINT is Signals Intelligence for those not knowing this.
Blah.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 23, 2019 8:59 PM  

Only so many people can take shelter in Bolton's mustache.

Blogger xevious2030 June 23, 2019 9:28 PM  

J Van Stry, the people running the Afghanistan operation are retards. They almost need helmets to walk, when it comes to fixing things there. Almost drooling on themselves. The stories are pretty bad, incompetence at the top, stupid strategies.

Blogger JAG June 23, 2019 9:37 PM  

The positive take here is that there is a much greater degree of war fatigue today than since probably the 1970s and the close of the Vietnam War era.

More people are seeing through the Neocon push for endless war in the Middle East, as well as the push for war with Russia and China.

Feels like we've always been at war with Oceania.

Maybe, just maybe we can bring our people home, and have them control a couple mile wide zone on the Mexican side of the border to stanch the flow. Maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot...

Blogger LibertyPortraits June 23, 2019 9:50 PM  

John Bolton was a draft dodger. Joined the national guard to avoid being called up in the draft. Said he already knew the war was lost. Didn't want to die for Teddy Kennedy, yet he wants to start something where a bunch of guys will die for him over a drone.

Blogger LP916 June 23, 2019 11:15 PM  

Glorious news worked out like I hoped, Bolton exposed!

15 the next person to roll; Rudy G and his bad advice.

Blogger Rough Carrigan June 24, 2019 12:08 AM  

Didn't some of these hacks write glowingly of how Eisenhower would pit advocates of one position against advocates of the other and let them both argue their points in front of him?

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) June 24, 2019 12:50 AM  

"If it was up to him he'd take on the whole world at one time"

I doubt John Bolton has ever personally "taken on" anyone, much less multiple parties.I would pay good money to see all the people responsible for the Iraq war in a cage match against Iraqi fighters. Or better yet, against American fighters.

Blogger furor kek tonicus June 24, 2019 1:15 AM  

33. LibertyPortraits June 23, 2019 9:50 PM
John Bolton was a draft dodger. Joined the national guard to avoid being called up in the draft. Said he already knew the war was lost. Didn't want to die for Teddy Kennedy



meh.

Nixon's 1968 campaign ran on the slogan "I pledge to you that we shall have an honorable end to the war in Vietnam".

pretty much every significant candidate from both parties was running on some variant of a 'Peace Platform' in 1968, it was just a question of how quickly they wanted to hit the eject button.

Bolton didn't enlist in the National Guard until 1969, by that time every SANE person would have been doing everything they could to avoid the draft.

which doesn't mean that Bolton wasn't insane in 1969, just that that particular action was reasonable.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 24, 2019 1:58 AM  

furor kek tonicus wrote:which doesn't mean that Bolton wasn't insane in 1969, just that that particular action was reasonable.
Look Boomer Draft Dodger Hippie, nobody was saying it wasn't. What is unreasonable is his manifest desire to have Americans killed anywhere and everywhere in the world, to prove his own courage and tenacity. It reminds one of the desire of particular tribe to fight to the last goy for the benefit of Israel.
"Some of you may die, but that's a price I'm willing to pay." --lord Fuckwad.

Blogger Garuna June 24, 2019 2:41 AM  

Trump is really walking that line where he could go down are one of the greats or one of the worst. Best of luck, Donald. Do not cuck on immigration and wars.

Blogger John Rockwell June 24, 2019 3:25 AM  

I want the little chickenhawks to be forced to be the human shields for all wars they love to launch so much.;

Blogger Don't Call Me Len June 24, 2019 4:05 AM  

@32 - It's been quite the eye-opener to see how many people who consider themselves "Normies" that have dismissed much of this hoohaw as 'false flags'. Hopefully recognizing "We're not the world's policeman" will also slowly nudge them into understanding we're also not the rescue center for every stray mutt wandering the world.

Blogger Longtime Lurker June 24, 2019 5:11 AM  

Calling off the retaliatory strike was one of President Trump's best decisions yet.

It only saved his presidency.

Blogger CarpeOro June 24, 2019 8:20 AM  

"As for Afghanistan, do to them what the British did in the ME. Break them up in to a series of new countries, with diverse/competing groups in each and appoint a 'king'. They'll spend the next hundred years fighting each other and we can go back to ignoring them."

No idea where this is coming from. Afghanistan was this way before Alexander the Great showed up in their neigborhood. In general, it is the nature of mountain regions to have many small competing groups all at each other's throats. Afghanistan is one of the larger examples.

The USA simply needs to get out period. There is no face left to save, no one will buy it at this point.

Blogger John Rockwell June 24, 2019 9:28 AM  

@41
"We're not the world's policeman" will also slowly nudge them into understanding we're also not the rescue center for every stray mutt wandering the world."

Eh? They could hire Mercs to fulfil that objective if they really,really want to.

Not the countries obligation. But they have to pay up to make that happen even pool money together if they have to.

Blogger furor kek tonicus June 24, 2019 9:31 AM  

38. Snidely Whiplash June 24, 2019 1:58 AM
Look Boomer Draft Dodger Hippie, nobody was saying it wasn't. What is unreasonable is his manifest desire to have Americans killed anywhere and everywhere in the world,



a - not a Boomer ... or a Hippie. i mean, really, why would a Hippie remember Republican campaign slogans? that doesn't even make sense.
b - there was never a draft when i was eligible
c - i never said he wasn't happy to see Americans die

you are killing the whole "snide" thing though.

Blogger Richard Rahl June 24, 2019 10:19 AM  

I understand the value of having different views to surround yourself as an executive, but why the hell would you want someone like Bolton around in such an influential position. He is wrong on everything, there is no value in his advice.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 24, 2019 10:23 AM  

Trump made the stupid mistake of allowing the RNC to build his staff.

In the chaotic weeks after Trump's surprise election victory, Trump fired Chris Christie as the head of his transition. The team that took over — which V.P. Mike Pence helmed — outsourced the political vetting of would-be top officials to the Republican National Committee.

Trump needs to stop relying on the swamp, he needs to stop making empty threats and stop listening to people who hate him personally and oppose his stated political goals.


https://www.axios.com/leaked-donald-trump-vetting-docs-hbo-6ce3cd26-1eb9-4da8-b15e-47b56020aef7.html

He needs to fire Ken Star. Star is the guy compiling the judges. He tried to slip in a woman with 2 adopted Haitian kids! This would be worse than Ginsberg!

If he has such a low opinion of Bolton, why doesn't he fire him? Yes, Bolton would start a war with the world. So why is he in such a powerful position? Bolton should be working as a janitor at the local rec center. He should be nowhere near power.

Blogger Andy in San Diego and Elsewhere June 24, 2019 10:55 AM  

Beware of the military-industrial MSM complex on this as well https://theantimedia.com/cbs-news-military-strike-iran-raytheon/

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia June 24, 2019 12:03 PM  

Jeez, everyone who is all a-flutter about John Bolton, take a chill pill, why doncha?

Commenters above are right who said that Bolton is useful, that Trump's choices when he first came in were limited.

Meanwhile, it appears we're throwing digital spears at one another.

https://www.technologyreview.com/f/613862/the-us-has-launched-a-cyber-attack-against-irans-weapons-systems/

Finally, we're all anti-imperialists here, so we have to recognize that Iran is an imperial state with outsized imperial ambitions. It's why it's screwing around in Yemen, it's why it's all in on Assad in Syria, and why it would love to dominate Iraq politically.

Look at a map, everybody. Look.

Draw a line westward from Tehran, to Mosul, to Aleppo...and voila, Iran is at the Mediterranean. Does anyone NOT think that Iran would annex that land in a nanosecond if it could...or, absent that unlikely event, have VERY friendly regimes in Iraq and Syria that are effectively in cahoots with it?

So a country full of evil Satanic theocrats has a chance to (1) get a nuclear weapon that it might like to use; (2) control the flow of 30% of the world's oil; and (3) export it's apacolyptic vision to adjacent states.

The Talban are bunch of goat herders with AK47s. Who gives a shit about them. Get out. Myannmar? Who cares. Special Ops is West Africa..really??

But Iran is a different animal...as is China. If we don't stand up against them, who will?

So yeah, sure, we don't want to get involved in meaningless wars and we have issues at home here we to resolve and, yada yada yada. But we need to keep these bearded crazies in check...and not just because of Israel. So too with the cheating duplicitous high IQ Hannies...

The GE is doing it right.

Blogger Primus Pilus June 24, 2019 12:48 PM  

Keep drinking that neocon kool-aid, KPK.

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:So a country full of evil Satanic theocrats has a chance to (1) get a nuclear weapon that it might like to use; (2) control the flow of 30% of the world's oil; and (3) export it's apacolyptic vision to adjacent states.

I agree, we should definitely stop furthering Israel's goals in the region. But they already have nukes, unfortunately.

Blogger eclecticme June 24, 2019 4:13 PM  

The Duran.
Hannity meltdown exposes thirst for war with Iran. Tucker is voice of reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efM-AM45jyw

Paul Joseph Watson CALLS OUT Ben Shapiro for His Warmongering, Tucker Piles On Too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPW5HGppsTU

Blogger Centurion Revolt June 24, 2019 11:33 PM  

Riiight because 9/11 sure led to Bush's defeat and public opinion was not whipped up to support Iraq and Afghanistan. /sarcasm

Blogger Dirk Manly June 24, 2019 11:38 PM  

@5

"
But can he please finally get these traitors out of his government and do what needs to be done?"

I can't figure out why he hasn't re-assigned the workplace of each traitorous weasel to be a nearby closet, with the lightbulb removed, lined with fine wire mesh (to prohibit cell-phone signals), lined with sound-absorbing material.

And no chair.

And not enough room on the floor to sit, let alone lay down -- NO SLEEPING ON THE JOB!

Alternatively, he could re-assign them to some town in Kansas with a population < 50.

After word gets around, most of the others will quit in droves.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 25, 2019 2:25 AM  

@48

"Beware of the military-industrial MSM complex on this as well https://theantimedia.com/cbs-news-military-strike-iran-raytheon/"

No reason to mangle the original

Eisenhower warned against TWO threats:
1) -- the one the press likes to mention all the time -- the Military/Industrial complex

2) -- the one the media is loathe to mention, ever -- the Media/Academic complex.

The MIC and MAC are opposed to each other , but both are evil. There's no reason to transport the MSM from the MAC to the MIC.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 25, 2019 3:03 AM  

Also, the podunk towns in Kansas chosen for these special office locations must be a minimum of 3 hours drive to any large city or airport. Double plus good if there are no accomodations for transients, such as hotels or motels -- leaving the only option to be renting the unused bedroom or attic of some local family.

Talk to anyone who has driven through Kansas -- it's torture for those who aren't used to it. Along some sections of the interstate, when driving in the early evening after sunset, you'll notice that it's a rarity to see more than one farmhouse (by the light coming from it) in 10 minutes. Other than that, all you see is corn and wheat fields.

Stick them among the people (farmers) whom the swamp creatures look down on, with no ability to amuse themselves other than by interacting with their new neighbors.

Blogger Scott June 25, 2019 8:22 AM  

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Saudis may well have been better friends to America than the Neocons have been.

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