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Sunday, June 09, 2019

Remembrance Day

This is taken verbatim from the Moorer Report, published in 2003:

Findings of the Independent Commission of Inquiry into the Israeli Attack on USS Liberty, the Recall of Military Rescue Support Aircraft while the Ship was Under Attack, and the Subsequent Cover-up by the United States Government 

We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel's attack on USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following:

1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty, the world's most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 173 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294);

2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;

3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty's firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty's life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;

4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;

5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;

6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;

7. That although Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship's Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with "court-martial, imprisonment or worse" if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government;

8. That due to the influence of Israel's powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;

9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;

10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy's 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack;

11. That the truth about Israel's attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;

12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel's interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.

WHEREUPON, we, the undersigned, in order to fulfill our duty to the brave crew of USS Liberty and to all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions:

FIRST: That a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty, with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services, and to determine Israel's possible motive in launching said attack on a U.S. naval vessel;

SECOND: That every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS Liberty, thereafter threatened her surviving officers and men if they exposed the truth, and covered up the true circumstances of the attack from the American people; and

THIRD: That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY, in order to commemorate USS Liberty's heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation.

We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003.

Thomas H. Moorer
Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH

Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret.,
Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy

Ambassador James Akins, Ret.,
Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia

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109 Comments:

Blogger MichaelJMaier June 09, 2019 4:34 PM  

So they're terrorists and should be droned ASAFP.

Blogger Lazarus June 09, 2019 4:39 PM  

the truth about Israel's attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;

As in 2003 so in 2019

Blogger Joe Smith June 09, 2019 4:39 PM  

I had never heard about this incident. Very interesting, and absolutely ridiculous as well. It gets harder and harder to argue against taking the whole American government, all branches, including the executive branch bureaucracies, standing them against a wall, and shooting them. They're so damn corrupt.

Blogger VD June 09, 2019 4:40 PM  

It was 1967. What's done is done. But the US coverup needs to be addressed and investigated.

Blogger Matt June 09, 2019 4:42 PM  

Only the people can do this. They're currently at lunch.

Blogger John Regan June 09, 2019 4:44 PM  

I have never understood what people believe to be the Israeli motive for a deliberate attack. OTOH, the circumstances would seem to preclude an accident. Open to any suggestions.

Blogger VD June 09, 2019 4:46 PM  

I have never understood what people believe to be the Israeli motive for a deliberate attack.

It was an intelligence ship. Occam's Razor suggests the ship had picked up something they did not want the US military to know about.

Blogger sammibandit June 09, 2019 4:47 PM  

"... this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress."

I didn't know Operation Highjump was investigated. I thought it was just leaked. Certainly this makes the USS Liberty non-investigation/cover up more suspicious.

Blogger Matt June 09, 2019 4:48 PM  

Hummus in fact was not invented by Israel?

Blogger Raker_T June 09, 2019 5:05 PM  

@5 Indeed. Sad but true. Maybe I'm not the one to talk about this, as I haven't watched TV in 30 years; but I had a thought the other day. My wife said that watching violent acts desensitizes one to violence against others. There's something, I don't know what, but something very effective that's made Americans apathetic or fatalistic, I don't know what it is. So I was wondering if violence for entertainment also desensitizes one to injustice against one's own people.

Blogger Avalanche June 09, 2019 5:07 PM  

In the late 70s, early 80s, when I was in the Navy this was well-known and passed on. WE KNEW. We made SURE our shipmates KNEW. KNOWing -- NOTICING -- is never allowed!

I do not know, today, if it is still some of the passed-down Naval lore, but at least some people know about it.

If you would know how dedicated the jews are to protecting their vicious attack on as U.S. Naval ship and her crew: and how SOME Americans will still stand up, read here:

http://www.ussliberty.org/washrp88.txt

or, read the article here: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1988-05-15-8803170334-story.html, from which:
...
Asked about naming the library after the ship, Fromstein said: ''When patriotism is a reason for something, then every American should be able to share in that patriotism with equal pride. The Jewish community feels that it cannot patriotically participate in this, and therefore it is not fitting.''

Schoenfeld says his group is resolved to continue its efforts to get the name changed. Village President Grant, who is friends with one Liberty survivor, said he will not change his position on the issue.

...

Or pick up the book by USS Liberty survivor James Ennis: "Assault on the Liberty."


(((Every))) (((single))) (((time)))

Blogger tublecane June 09, 2019 5:23 PM  

Obviously a lot of people think it was no mistake, but I've never been clear on what exactly Israel hoped to gain by attacking a U.S. ship.

We were officially neutral during the Six-Day War. If anything, you'd think they'd want to get us in on their side. This was no false flag where they pretended to be Egyptians, nor a phantom attack like Tonkin Gulf. Israel didn't hide the fact that these were Israeli craft, and they admitted the alleged mistake a short time after.

So what would have been the purpose?

Blogger tublecane June 09, 2019 5:28 PM  

@12- As regards the intelligence aspect, they could have blown the ship out of the water, I think. They left it mostly intact with a lot of survivors. And no way to know if whatever the ship picked up had already been transmitted.

Plus, now you have a possible military standoff and a serious diplomatic incident at least.

Blogger dbatch June 09, 2019 5:34 PM  

https://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3884/My-Interview-With-A-USS-LIBERTY-Survivor.aspx

Blogger Salt June 09, 2019 5:34 PM  

VD wrote:It was an intelligence ship. Occam's Razor suggests the ship had picked up something they did not want the US military to know about.

When did Israel acquire the bomb?

Blogger Brutus June 09, 2019 5:45 PM  

Sigh. Some of you don't understand why? They were trying to sink the ship and kill everyone on board and then blame it on Egypt after the ship was on the bottom and no living witnesses left. They didn't care if the men on board seen who it really was since they were going to be dead and underwater. That's all and it's that simple. The ship was shot to Swiss Cheese and should have sunk. It's just one of those things that sometimes happen why it didn't. It somehow didn't sink.

Blogger Kristophr June 09, 2019 5:49 PM  

There was also some evidence that LBJ was in on it, and wanted an excuse to go to war with the U.A.R., which was the main reason it was covered up.

Blogger kudzu bob June 09, 2019 5:51 PM  

@Brutus

You are absolutely correct. The Israelis did their damnedest to sink that ship so that America would turn on Egypt, but they screwed up.

Other Israeli false flags have been rather more successful, though.

Blogger kudzu bob June 09, 2019 6:01 PM  

Chances are, if America ever fights a nuclear war with Russia, the direct cause will be some damned fool stunt the Israelis pull. And I rather suspect that once the survivors in both countries have finished burying their tens of millions of dead, they will have a completely different attitude toward the Third Reich's treatment of the Jews than they do now.

Blogger pyrrhus June 09, 2019 6:06 PM  

The explanation I have seen is that Israel was executing a lot of Egyptian prisoners, and the Liberty was observing that fact....

Blogger Salt June 09, 2019 6:08 PM  

Government concealing is normal.

https://fair.org/media-beat-column/30-year-anniversary-tonkin-gulf-lie-launched-vietnam-war/?fbclid=IwAR0hp_sJuQf3EHKXhkYPc73NLJiGOd_sDD2rTACJQY02-eMrxycuoYoUhpM

Blogger Seeingsights June 09, 2019 6:27 PM  

@ Salt

I would say that Israel got the bomb at the latest during the Nixon Administration, and probably earlier.

In the early 1990s Nixon gave an interview with Ted Koppel. In response to something that Nixon said, Ted Koppel asked oh, Israel has the nuclear bomb? Nixon tried to backtrack.

I interpret that exchange as a former President inadvertently letting out intelligence he received when he was President--that Israel has the bomb.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 09, 2019 6:29 PM  

Just so everyone has a conspiracy theory from the other side, the most common Israeli conspiracy theory is that for some reason, people on the USS Liberty were intercepting Israeli communications and passing them to the Arabs.

As you can gather, this feeds into the 'antisemites everywhere' tactic.

I consider it as silly as the other conspiracy theories - why not just solve it with a phone call to LBJ?
But there it is.

Similarly, there's no way for Israeli planes of the time to sink a ship before they radio out for help and report what's happened. It doesn't make sense, there's no benefit.

But there it is.

Blogger Seeingsights June 09, 2019 6:34 PM  

I hope that with the Internet and other advances in electronic communication, that government coverups and lies, such as in the attack on the USS Liberty, and in the Gulf of Tonkin incident, would fail.

Blogger Miguel June 09, 2019 7:04 PM  

The Israelis were just tikkum olamming.

Blogger Robert What? June 09, 2019 7:12 PM  

Aren't we blessed with such wonderful "allies"? One question: why that particular ship?

Blogger Damn the torpedos June 09, 2019 7:15 PM  

“Aren't we blessed with such wonderful "allies"? One question: why that particular ship?”

Theories abound but the general consencus is that it had something to do with the tribe’s seizing of the Golan Heights around the same time. The Liberty would have detected this expansionism.

Additionally that is why it was so disheartening to see the God emperor recognize Israel’s ownership of the heights without acknowledging the American blood the tribe spilled to procure them.

Blogger Jew613 June 09, 2019 7:18 PM  

This would directly contradict the NSA recordings of the Israeli pilots radio chatter where the IAF clearly believes the ship to be Egyptian. Unless you wish to argue the recordings are forgeries.

Its comforting to believe in grand conspiracies. But Incompetence, and tragic mistakes in wartime happen. If there was a cover up it would have been to save Washington & Jerusalem embarrassment rather then malice.

Blogger Leatherwing June 09, 2019 7:24 PM  

Have you heard any theories about what may have been picked up by the ship? I always naively assumed the US knew what Israel knew (but not the reverse). This incident seems to indicate otherwise.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 09, 2019 7:45 PM  

Jew613 wrote:This would directly contradict the NSA recordings of the Israeli pilots radio chatter where the IAF clearly believes the ship to be Egyptian.

So how do you explain the Israeli pilots who have testified that they knew it was an American ship and reported it as such only to be ordered to attack anyway?

https://www.google.com/search?q=israeli+pilots+knew+Liberty+was+American&oq=israeli+pilots+knew+Liberty+was+American&aqs=chrome..69i57.9967j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


As for the radios, the Israelis were jamming American transmissions and the ship's antenna were some of the first targets. An American sailor jury rigged an antenna to send the distress call.

If you read comments by Israel Firsters about this attack, the conservatard "support the troops" falls away quickly. Listening to them Israel got lucky in attacking the only ship in the US Navy staffed entirely by Nazis and other anti Semites.

Blogger Rough Carrigan June 09, 2019 7:47 PM  

The bitter irony is that the attack on the Liberty by Israel was probably what Americans thought had happened to the destroyer USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964.

It's now openly admitted that the supposed attack on the Maddox by the North Vietnamese that provided the putative justification for the war in Vietnam never happened. Whoops! Sorry you 58,000 dead but we now know that the empire's justification for your deaths never happened. But you can rest in peace with the satisfaction that your death was part of Brown & Root becoming a massively larger company. Death and Transfiguration indeed.

That's one side of the false flag sword's blade.

The other is the Liberty which was attacked by supposed ally Israel and the U.S. empire pretended it didn't even happen.

And if you say to many people the simple truth of these events they reflexively shriek something about conspiracy theories.

Blogger Akulkis June 09, 2019 7:47 PM  

Liberty was flying a huge American flag. the Israeli jets made several passes before firing ordnance at the ship. Dduring that time, they could have raised the liberty on the guard channel, and obtained proper identification. there's nothing unusual about such a procedure --it's standard ops in such a situation precisely for the purpose of reducing the risk of being accused and prosecuted as a was criminal.

Blogger VD June 09, 2019 7:48 PM  

This would directly contradict the NSA recordings of the Israeli pilots radio chatter where the IAF clearly believes the ship to be Egyptian. Unless you wish to argue the recordings are forgeries.

The pilots may have been misinformed. However, if you can control your DEFEND ISRAEL AT ALL COSTS reflex for a moment, the point here is not that the Israelis attacked the ship for whatever reason, but that the White House twice overruled the local commander's orders to send relief and then subsequently ordered the coverup that persists to this day.

This isn't about Israel. It's about a US problem.

Blogger Akulkis June 09, 2019 7:51 PM  

therefore, calling the liberty an "Egyptian ship" was just to provide a cover story in the event that such a recording was made.

Blogger Rough Carrigan June 09, 2019 7:52 PM  

#22, "Similarly, there's no way for Israeli planes of the time to sink a ship before they radio out for help and report what's happened. It doesn't make sense, there's no benefit."

Did you miss the lines in the 2nd point:
" . . . survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;"

Let's say you could jam attempts to report what was happening. Then you could decide what narrative the world would discover couldn't you?

Blogger WOPR June 09, 2019 7:56 PM  

Jew613 wrote:This would directly contradict the NSA recordings of the Israeli pilots radio chatter where the IAF clearly believes the ship to be Egyptian. Unless you wish to argue the recordings are forgeries.

Its comforting to believe in grand conspiracies. But Incompetence, and tragic mistakes in wartime happen. If there was a cover up it would have been to save Washington & Jerusalem embarrassment rather then malice.


Why couldn't they be forgeries? Moorer's report had a lot of heavy hitters stating they believed the attack to be intentional. Even 40 years later, finding out it was intentional would not help Israel in the eyes of a lot of US citizenry.

The ship was clearly marked in international waters. A couple of accidental strafing runs could be explained. A concerted air and sea attack speaks of intent. There needs to be more than some long after the fact transcripts.

Blogger Lazarus June 09, 2019 8:19 PM  

Interesting take on the incident

It was an attempt to preserve the lie that the Arabs had started the war.

Blogger LES June 09, 2019 8:24 PM  

Philip Giraldi USS Liberty

NSA Keeps Details Secret

Eyewitness account

There is a lot of information about the USS Liberty including accounts from crew members.

The USS Liberty which was clearly marked was surveilled for hours before the attack.

The Israeli planes had their markings covered when they attacked, but were identified anyway.

The planes immediately attacked the communications equipment so no word could get out about the attack.

A crew member miraculously struggled to reconnect the damaged communications and did get a message out.

An Israeli pilot refused to attack an American vessel and was punished. He later came to the US and told his story.

Israeli torpedo boats fired 5 torpedoes but only one hit the ship.

Israeli pilots strafed the life boats.

The idea was to sink the USS Liberty, kill the entire crew and blame Egypt to get the US to respond.

Blogger Jew613 June 09, 2019 8:28 PM  

The NSA documents, including recordings and transcripts weren't declassified until 2007. NSA Documents on USS Liberty Incident.

Here are the audio recordings and transcripts of the pilots radio chatter I will attest the transcripts are an accurate translation of what the pilots are saying.

Vox its not even about defending Israel. I dont see any grand conspiracy, and I dont think there will be a congressional investigation because its been too long and the results will make everyone involved look foolish.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 09, 2019 8:33 PM  

Neo Palastinians attacking liberty while DC cucks. News at 11.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) June 09, 2019 8:37 PM  

Gosh, I really thought Fox News and National Review would have coverage of this anniversary, but nary a peep. Nonetheless, I'm sure patriotic Republicans in Congress like Marco Rubio and Mitt Romney will take all appropriate actions.

Blogger Raker_T June 09, 2019 8:47 PM  

Another thought that occurred to me . . .there's hyper Calvinism, why not hyper Cuckinism? Wait for it, it's coming . . ."It's a PRIVILEGE to be a slave to God's chosen people." When red pill info has unintended consequences. Sigh.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 09, 2019 9:09 PM  

@35 I totally get you. This is still one of those conspiracies where a lot of people end up knowing that there was a US flag on that ship. It violates the 'three can keep a secret only when two are dead' idea.

And there were a lot of ways for it to go wrong; but then, we've never accused government conspirators of being effective and clean. It's just that the only ones who can prosecute them are themselves.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 09, 2019 9:11 PM  

Some particular problems/errors in this mess:

2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;

First, if this was a deliberate attempt to sink a ship of that size, that is the most f---ed-up ordnance load I could imagine for the mission short of dropping leaflet bombs. Given the low competence of the Israeli military as a whole, it's not an impossible error, but the IAF is the least incompetent of the Israeli services.

Second part: Jamming all five emergency frequencies would require (a) massive amounts of radiated power--not even the US Navy and Air Force working together could have done it at the time--and (b) would have been noticed by every damn ship and aircraft in the Eastern Mediterranean, military and civilian alike. No reports of any such jamming by any ship or aircraft were reported.

That last point is an example of why eyewitness reports need to be weighed carefully and not accepted uncritically.

4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;

Issue: All of these persons may have had some degree of culpability in interfering with the Liberty's ability to receive and obey orders from the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Commander, Sixth Fleet. Of course they'd love to make this mess a deliberate attack, because that would avoid any scrutiny of their own actions.

6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;

Never before had any rescue mission been launched with the SIOP-committed nuclear alert aircraft, either. (Yes, they actually sent the SIOP birds, and MacNamara promptly soiled himself when he found out, because naval nuclear weapons didn't have Permissive Action Links installed.)

I don't accept that it was deliberate (if there had been a deliberate attempt to sink the Liberty, they probably would've ended up bombing the crap out of their own MTBs). I do think that it meets the standard for criminal stupidity.

And it hasn't gotten any better. Remember the Hanit? The crew took her into point-blank range of a hostile shore, the Electronic Support Measures console is screaming alerts for known hostile target acquisition and fire-control radars - and so they turned it off because the noise was annoying.

Yes, the Israeli military is THAT inept.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 09, 2019 9:12 PM  

Theories abound but the general consencus is that it had something to do with the tribe’s seizing of the Golan Heights around the same time. The Liberty would have detected this expansionism.

Except that it makes absolutely no sense--the Golan was literally on the other end of Israel, they wouldn't have been close enough to intercept anything...

Blogger Stilicho June 09, 2019 9:24 PM  

Let's just say the NSA could establish the fact that the Israelis conducting the attack knew full well it was an undefended American Naval vessel conducting surveillance of the ongoing arab-israeli war. Take just a few minutes. The cover-up though, unraveling and revealing that will take much longer and be much more satisfying. Treason is a capital offense, after all.

Blogger Stilicho June 09, 2019 9:43 PM  

@jew613 recordings reveal that the Izzies knew exactly what they were doing. Oh, and by the way, when a torpedo boat is close enough to machine-gun survivors in rafts and on the deck of the ship, it isn't particularly difficult to distinguish between misrioon and Americans or between a US electronic surveillance vessel and an Egyptian missile boat. You can keep repeating the official lie for Ersatz Israel, but many of us are quite aware of what happened.

Now, at the time Israel was trying to cozy up to the USSR as it appeared to think that the USSR would win the cold war and trying to distance itself from the US which it did not trust. So it had reasons to not want the US learning it's secrets from observing the war from a front row seat. But none of that changes what the Izzies did, it only posits some reasons behind the actions.

You'd think there would be shame, but you'd be wrong. Where there is no honour, there will be no shame. You'd think there would be gratitude for us ridding you of threats from Iraq and Syria, but you'd be wrong. Where there is only envy and a sense of entitlement, there can be no gratitude.

So don't count on us again. We are not going to bleed and die for Ersatz Israel's sake any more. Enjoy your future of Turkish and Persian aggression. And don't count on us keeping Egypt neutral forever.

Blogger Avalanche June 09, 2019 9:45 PM  

Dear GOD! You people are throwing out, "well I heard this,' and 'I think that,' and 'why would they do that' and 'maybe it was this other'! Either go do the damned research so you KNOW (as much as is possible) or shut up about this! The Israeli boats machine-gunned the LIFE RAFTS the Liberty crew threw out to put their injured in! That is a flat-out, bar-none, indefensible WAR CRIME! Even if the Liberty HAD been an "Egyptian livestock carrier" as the damned israelis pretended after the attack: Flat-out war crime! Strafing life boats is against the Law of the Sea!

And yes, (((Jew613))) there IS A RECORDING of an ISRAELI pilot saying it WAS an American ship, recorded by an AMERICAN 'spy' plane and apparently an American sub as well. And OH JUST LOOK who agrees?! Will you accept Haaretz as an acceptable source?!

'But Sir, It’s an American Ship.' 'Never Mind, Hit Her!' When Israel Attacked USS Liberty
'The Americans have findings that show our pilots were aware the ship was American,' a newly published document by the State Archives says

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her-1.5492908


https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html
...
An Israeli military court of inquiry later acknowledged that their naval headquarters knew at least three hours before the attack that the odd-looking ship 13 miles off the Sinai Peninsula, sprouting more than 40 antennas capable of receiving every kind of radio transmission, was "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy," a floating electronic vacuum cleaner.

To a man, the survivors interviewed by the Tribune rejected Israel's explanation.

Nor, the survivors said, did they understand why the American 6th Fleet, which included the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, patrolling 400 miles west of the Liberty, launched and then recalled at least two squadrons of Navy fighter-bombers that might have arrived in time to prevent the torpedo attack -- and save 26 American lives.
...
Even while the Liberty was still limping toward a dry dock in Malta, the Navy convened a formal Court of Inquiry. Adm. John McCain Jr., the commander of U.S. naval forces in Europe and father of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chose Adm. Isaac Kidd Jr. to preside.

The court's charge was narrow: to determine whether any shortcomings on the part of the Liberty's crew had contributed to the injuries and deaths that resulted from the attack. McCain gave Kidd's investigators a week to complete the job.

"That was a shock," recalled retired Navy Capt. Ward Boston, the inquiry's counsel, who said he and Kidd had estimated that a thorough inquiry would take six months.
...

Blogger Avalanche June 09, 2019 9:45 PM  

And YES, the israelis were jamming the radio frequencies after the damned jews ALSO shot off the communications masts AND the flag-standard on the stern!

How-in-the-hell do you think the C.O. of the carrier operating group that LAUNCHED fighters to go rescue the ship KNEW about it?! Telepathy?!? And "our" govt forced the carrier captain to CALL THEM BACK! And oh look -- history is rhyming!! JUST like what happened when Ambassador Chris Stevens was being tortured and raped with a cattle prod -- and the carrier group C.O. tried to send fighters -- and "our" govt AGAIN called them back! Actually had to relieve the CO of his command over it!

The israelis did INDEED intend to send the Liberty to the bottom with all hands! And, oh yeah, some of the israelis involved in the attack showed up on an israeli TV show a couple decades later and said, yes they DID know it was an American ship...

Go get educated about this or shut up! Damned fine men were murdered and hurt, and by a supposed ally! All the information you could ever need to understand what happened is online.

Then, maybe once you're good and angry, ask why, when a town in WI tried to name their new library the USS Liberty Memorial Library, the "American" jews rose up and whined and threatened and complained! http://www.ussliberty.org/washrp88.txt

Blogger Crew June 10, 2019 12:14 AM  

This would directly contradict the NSA recordings of the Israeli pilots radio chatter where the IAF clearly believes the ship to be Egyptian. Unless you wish to argue the recordings are forgeries.

Wait. I thought there were recording of Israeli pilots reporting that the ship was American and asking for confirmation of the attack orders.

Which NSA recordings? How did they get released?

Blogger Crew June 10, 2019 12:15 AM  

Why should we visit the punishment of the fathers' sins on the sons?

So the sons do not commit the same sins.

Blogger Crew June 10, 2019 12:17 AM  

This isn't about Israel. It's about a US problem.

Indeed. However, if we got into the habit of uncovering Administration and government cover ups we would gain a government that worked for the benefit of the people, and (((they))) can't have that now, can they?

Blogger J Van Stry June 10, 2019 12:20 AM  

Ah yes, the wonders of LBJ. Hated servicemen, and Americans. I think he's the Democrats patron saint after their god FDR.

Blogger J Van Stry June 10, 2019 12:23 AM  

@28 You do know that ships fly flags. It's kind of obvious who they belong to.

Blogger HMS Defiant June 10, 2019 12:25 AM  

Admiral Gallery wrote a very good informative book on the attack.

Blogger HMS Defiant June 10, 2019 12:40 AM  

OOPS, DVG wrote about the attack on Pueblo. I'm sure he held forth on the attack on Liberty.

Blogger Crew June 10, 2019 1:20 AM  

Hmmm: American Pravda: Secrets of Military Intelligence

[Mosely] repeatedly denounced Roosevelt’s military buildup and in an early 1939 speech, he declared that “The war now being proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish hegemony throughout the world.”

Blogger jeffbladerunner June 10, 2019 2:12 AM  

Summary execution is against the laws of war and the Talmudists were were committing some major violations.

They panicked and attacked the Liberty to try and cover-up this new Katyn Forest type-massacre but eventually an Israeli Admiral realized attacking America (one of Israelis few allies) was lunacy and ordered the attack stopped.

Blogger jeffbladerunner June 10, 2019 2:23 AM  

'Egypt' was probably just a code-word for 'American'.

Israeli pilots are highly trained in putting out false communications like during the 1981 attack on the Osirik reactor:

"To avoid detection, the Israeli pilots conversed in Saudi-accented Arabic while in Jordanian airspace and told Jordanian air controllers that they were a Saudi patrol that had gone off course." - Source: Wikipedia

Blogger Brutus June 10, 2019 3:49 AM  

@23

Yes, there would be no way to do it before a radio message was sent out. No way except for the way they did it. That is why at the very start of the attack, before the crew knew what was going to happen, their first volley of fire and missile launches took out the area of the ship where the radio room was located and then the radio antenna mast. This information is in the reports and books.

Blogger Toris June 10, 2019 4:58 AM  

Oy vey, we poor jews were just trying out some updated ritualistic fishing with modern technology when those blundering Goyim unfortunately got in the way.

Blogger VD June 10, 2019 5:14 AM  

Vox its not even about defending Israel. I dont see any grand conspiracy, and I dont think there will be a congressional investigation because its been too long and the results will make everyone involved look foolish.

I think you've reduced yourself to a caricature. Literally no one here is buying it.

Blogger wreckage June 10, 2019 5:19 AM  

An appalling situation, and just as appalling that the US immediately began working to cover it up. Moreover that is exactly what is fueling allegations that it wasn't merely a SNAFU.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 10, 2019 5:55 AM  

VD wrote:I think you've reduced yourself to a caricature. Literally no one here is buying it.

It is highly illustrative though. So there's that.

Blogger Solon June 10, 2019 6:13 AM  

"This isn't about Israel. It's about a US problem"

Israel IS a US problem, and has been for a long time. The US has been a colony of Israel for quite some time.

What saddens me is that the survivors of the attack were never permitted to discuss the event.

What surprises me is that not one of them has said "screw the optics, I'm going in" and just revealed what he knows, court martials be damned.

The only conclusion I can come up with is threats, not against the soldiers themselves, but against their families. A soldier would presumably be patriotic enough to face death to tell the truth. It's a different story if certain powerful figures hold your wife, your parents/siblings, and your children hostage under threat of death.

Would I be able to tell the truth if I were warned that doing so would result in me being imprisoned just long enough to be shown a video of my family being brutally raped/murdered before being lined up against a wall? I don't know, I'm not in that circumstance.

But I feel the time is fast approaching that there will be people who talk, which will embolden more people to talk, and then the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

We live in interesting times.

Blogger Stephen Davenport June 10, 2019 6:18 AM  

Here's the thing, what was the USS Liberty doing there in the first place? They are snooping around and you do not expect them to get hit, its a war, this happens in war. Nobody ever mentions or asks why that ship was there in the first place, Just the dastardly Jews attacked our ship.

Blogger WOPR June 10, 2019 6:48 AM  

Stephen Davenport wrote:Here's the thing, what was the USS Liberty doing there in the first place? They are snooping around and you do not expect them to get hit, its a war, this happens in war. Nobody ever mentions or asks why that ship was there in the first place, Just the dastardly Jews attacked our ship.

Doing intelligence gathering from international waters like anyone else can. The Russians were probably doing the same thing. Why did Israel attack a clearly marked and flagged US vessel in international waters? Also, as pointed out, why did they machine gun life boats, which is a war crime?

In reply to the question of why the aircraft weren't properly equipped for anti-shipping, here is my theory. The Israeli's were concerned the ship picked up something, and the something doesn't really matter, that they didn't want known. They immediately send the closest aircraft to disable communications and keep the ship from moving. Then they send the MTB's to finish the job.

Blogger Jew613 June 10, 2019 6:52 AM  

Stilicho, Israel and the USSR were not in good terms by 67. Israel was very friendly with France at the time.

Since America has never bled for Eretz Yisrael the word again doesn't fit.

The Jew never stands alone, whether against Egypt Turkey or Persia we always have Hashem on our side. It would be for the best if America were to remain neutral.

Blogger Stilicho June 10, 2019 7:04 AM  

"Except that it makes absolutely no sense--the Golan was literally on the other end of Israel, they wouldn't have been close enough to intercept anything..."

1) Israel is tiny, the Golan wasn't far;

2)radio waves travel a long way even for supposedly short range stuff like UHF;

3) secondary and tertiary sources are also a means of acquiring intel;

4) it doesn't matter what the Izzies thought, it matters what they did and what they have done since.

Blogger WOPR June 10, 2019 7:08 AM  

Jew613 wrote:The NSA documents, including recordings and transcripts weren't declassified until 2007. NSA Documents on USS Liberty Incident.

Here are the audio recordings and transcripts of the pilots radio chatter I will attest the transcripts are an accurate translation of what the pilots are saying.

Vox its not even about defending Israel. I dont see any grand conspiracy, and I dont think there will be a congressional investigation because its been too long and the results will make everyone involved look foolish.


Those transcripts of the pilots are well after the attack. Notice they state that other vessels are now near the Liberty. Therefore, they can't continue the attack. Now, they are in cover-up mode and going through the motions of trying to establish it was all a misunderstanding. Of course by this time, the ship is a smoking wreck and identifying anything is going to be a problem.

Blogger FrankNorman June 10, 2019 7:09 AM  

Now I have a question: Why couldn't the USS Liberty defend itself? Was it all electronics and no weapons? Really?

No anti-air capability? Not even any machine-guns?

Blogger WOPR June 10, 2019 7:20 AM  

FrankNorman wrote:Now I have a question: Why couldn't the USS Liberty defend itself? Was it all electronics and no weapons? Really?

No anti-air capability? Not even any machine-guns?



If I remember correctly, it had four 50-caliber mounts. That was it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 10, 2019 8:02 AM  

Rough Carrigan wrote:Did you miss the lines in the 2nd point:

" . . . survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;"


Notice how they aren't jamming Egyptian frequencies. Blows the whole ``thought it was Egyptian theory'' out of the water.

Perhaps some Jews don't lie. Jew613 is not one of that honest group.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 10, 2019 8:19 AM  

VD wrote:I think you've reduced yourself to a caricature. Literally no one here is buying it.

It's an ugly caricature, but accurate. This invariant ``defend the Jews and damn the goys'' reflex is one of the most convincing arguments that (((they))) have to go. I would prefer not to destroy Israel, so we have a place to send them.

Blogger billo June 10, 2019 8:30 AM  

Many years ago, I discussed this incident with a person who was involved in the intelligence community at the time. According to him, it had to do with Soviet air doctrine.

The issue was that at the time the US and Israel were not "allies." The US was neutral. The 1967 war began with the Israelis rapidly attacking and overrunning air fields in the Sinai in an attempt to destroy Egyptian air support. At least one air field was overrun so quickly that the soldiers there did not have time to tell Cairo. Because of the overrun, as the remaining Egyptian planes were flying to attack Israel, the Israelis on the Egyptian base simply ordered them to land, at which point they were captured. Because Egypt used Soviet air control doctrine, the planes did not question the orders. This was a huge advantage, and crippled remaining Egyptian air support. A foreign intelligence ship right off the coast listening to this was a huge liability. Since the US was not an ally, they destroyed it. When confronted, the Israelis asked what would the US have done? The US decided it would have likely done the same thing. So the Israelis claimed it was all a big mistake and paid compensation to the families of the victims, and the US pretended to believe it.

But who knows.

Blogger Avalanche June 10, 2019 8:30 AM  

@39 "Here are the audio recordings and transcripts of the pilots radio chatter I will attest the transcripts are an accurate translation of what the pilots are saying."

And can you attest to the location of the missing 2 or 3 recordings that a number of people heard (either taped or in real time) INCLUDING THE ATTACK itself?

No, thought not.

Blogger English Tom June 10, 2019 8:33 AM  

This isn't about Israel. It's a US problem.

Yeah, the problem of Jewish control of the US and the West.

Blogger Gettimothy June 10, 2019 8:36 AM  

"we always have Hashem..."

You have rejected Logos; He is never neutral.







Blogger English Tom June 10, 2019 8:38 AM  

@Stilicho

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, the sad fact is that Americans (and others, including Brits) will most definitely die for ZOG.

It's guaranteed.

Blogger Avalanche June 10, 2019 8:43 AM  

@68 "Since America has never bled for Eretz Yisrael the word again doesn't fit."

Ahhh, jewish gratitude.... (((Every))) (((single))) (((time)))

Blogger Ken Prescott June 10, 2019 9:01 AM  

And YES, the israelis were jamming the radio frequencies after the damned jews ALSO shot off the communications masts AND the flag-standard on the stern!

Again, to do that would (a) require more effective radiated power than anyone had available in the region, and would have been detected and reported by everyone in the Eastern Mediterranean, including a bunch of countries that weren't a party to the event and a bunch of merchies who weren't even from the region in question. Jamming on at least two of those frequencies (121.5 Mhz and 243 MHz) would've been noticed immediately, as those are international distress frequencies that EVERYONE is expected to guard 24/7.

How-in-the-hell do you think the C.O. of the carrier operating group that LAUNCHED fighters to go rescue the ship KNEW about it?! Telepathy?!?

Exactly. The distress signal went out.

And "our" govt forced the carrier captain to CALL THEM BACK!

For the reason cited: the alert aircraft were SIOP-committed birds with a nuclear loadout. Once a carrier got east of Malta back then, they spotted 4 Skyhawks for immediate launch with nuclear weapons loaded. That didn't change until 1970, when the Navy quietly pulled everyone out of the SIOP except for the Fleet Ballistic Missile boats.

And oh look -- history is rhyming!! JUST like what happened when Ambassador Chris Stevens was being tortured and raped with a cattle prod -- and the carrier group C.O. tried to send fighters -- and "our" govt AGAIN called them back! Actually had to relieve the CO of his command over it!

We didn't even HAVE a carrier on station in the Med in September 2012. We were too busy fighting other battles.

"If we cannot have the Navy Estimates of our policy, let us have the policy of our Navy Estimates." Ambroise Baudry, French Navy

("Estimates" was the term in Baudry's time for what we would call a "budget.")

Blogger Ken Prescott June 10, 2019 9:30 AM  

There is a postscript that needs to be looked at.

In the 1970s, as Bobby Ray Inman was taking over the National Security Agency, the story came out that the Liberty was eavesdropping on Egyptian and Soviet communications, trying to figure out whether Tu-16 Badger bombers that nominally bore Egyptian markings were actually being flown by Soviet pilots.

At the time, this caused a bit of a stir. "No Such Agency" or "Never Say Anything" were common epithets for the NSA. To comment publicly on the target of a specific SIGINT operation, even from a decade earlier, was unheard of.

Supposedly, the story went, we'd even, in the moments just before the attack, intercepted air-ground communications from the bombers that proved that the Perfidious Godless Atheistic Communist Horde were the real operators of the Tu-16s.

It was a great story. American ingenuity and know-how triumph over Commie deception. God Bless America!

It had only one defect: it was completely false. But, not to worry, no one will ever get access to the Soviet side of the story

(record scratch)

Um, about that...

In 1992, some researchers got access to the newly-opened Soviet archives, and they found out that, after the Day One airstrikes (that had SCRUPULOUSLY avoided the Tu-16 apron at Cairo west, implying that Israel had already learned that those planes were flown by Soviets), the Badgers decamped for Alexandria. And never flew again for the duration of the war.

I could see the NSA saying "We don't comment on specific SIGINT operations." That would be the smart play.

So why did they set out a story they knew to be false? What worried them so much about saying nothing that they assumed the risk of telling a lie that could be disproven by the USSR if and when it would serve the interests of the Soviet state?

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 10, 2019 9:59 AM  

the results will make everyone involved look foolish.

"Foolish"? That's a funny way to spell "complicit in murder, treason, and acts of war."

Blogger sammibandit June 10, 2019 10:33 AM  

>It would be for the best if America were to remain neutral.

I'm so glad we're not speaking German on this continent. 0..o

Blogger xevious2030 June 10, 2019 10:56 AM  

@12 (tublecane) You’re thinking too human. Did you read what all it was hit with? Ships do not survive that. This ship was hit with that and survived. Not to pick on Brutus #16, but do you notice the “it somehow didn’t sink.” The one factor, left out, like chance is all there is in this universe? And how the possibility does not enter the mind, probably in part because of the mental association of the modern name of the attacking group with ancient history?

Blogger Ken Prescott June 10, 2019 11:24 AM  

Ships do and did survive worse, and the air weapons loadout was just about the worst possible one to use for attacking a ship.

Blogger xevious2030 June 10, 2019 11:57 AM  

@86 (KP) I give the Israelis more weight than that. They didn't have to have the best equipment, they just needed to cut off communications and blow the boiler. They, based on the attack profile, knew that. They had what they needed. Israelis aren't stupid, they were pulling of spectacular wars. Ships is also a very general term. The US was about to drop atom bombs on Egypt, after the Liberty had been directed to go close alone to the coast, by the US, with the hindsight presumption of it being destroyed as the excuse to nuke Egypt. It was a slam dunk. And it failed. Proof of God acting? No. Certainly not outside of consideration though.

Blogger Balam June 10, 2019 12:24 PM  

The Jew cries out it's an Egypt ship as he strikes you

Blogger Ken Prescott June 10, 2019 12:40 PM  

The weapons used during the air strike were incapable of inflicting enough damage to sink the ship. Napalm does not sink a ship. Rockets do not sink a ship. 30mm cannon fire does not sink a ship. About the only vessels present that they could have sunk would have been the Israeli torpedo boats.

Israel's military isn't competent. They're seriously incompetent. The only thing that has saved Israel from destruction is that the Arabs have been even more incompetent.

Anybody with as much military capability as, say, Belgium would give the Israeli military a thrashing for the ages. Which makes Turkey's growing antipathy toward Israel... interesting.

Blogger xevious2030 June 10, 2019 1:03 PM  

@89 (KP) You went completely around the key point as to what was being targeted. And you dance so pretty. If you can't even get that right, when it is spoon fed to you, given to you by name, your comments on military assessment fair about as well as your assessment of the Arabs. Let me ask you a question anyway though, do you know what a boiler in a ship is?

Well, two questions. Could God (don't be coy or play hard to get) have played a part in things Ken, helped keep the Liberty from being sunk?

This, completely aside from the Liberty being sent in a situation that was giving the excuse to the Johnson administration to nuke Egypt for Israel. Which got stopped.

Blogger xevious2030 June 10, 2019 1:05 PM  

#90 As a side note, I'm not talking about the ones that keep you from having cold showers (which are really cold when they don't work).

Blogger Crew June 10, 2019 1:43 PM  

It would be for the best if America were to remain neutral.

Whoa. Is that a threat?

Blogger Sam Drucker June 10, 2019 2:11 PM  

Wenzel talks with historian Robert Morrow and Judy Morris about the event-
https://lionsofliberty.com/2013/03/13/that-time-when-the-u-s-almost-nuked-cairo/

Blogger Ken Prescott June 10, 2019 2:22 PM  

Yes, God could. In this case, He apparently didn't need to work very hard.

You want to be reasonably certain of sinking a ship the size of the Liberty, especially one operated by the US Navy of that era, you're going to need roughly three heavyweight torpedoes, or about two dozen 500-pound bombs or equivalent weight thereof.

The disparity in explosive yield between the two methods is that bombs let in air and break structural components, while torpedoes let in water and break structural components.

What the Israelis had just wasn't enough dakka for the assigned mission.

You want to see the hand of God in keeping a ship afloat, look up the USS Laffey.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 10, 2019 2:27 PM  

Yes, I know what a boiler is. I also know what an emergency diesel generator set is. I also understand that something the size of the Liberty is going to shrug off napalm, 30mm cannon fire, and 2.75 or 5-inch rockets.

The only things those sorts of weapons would sink would be, oh, say...wooden-hulled motor torpedo boats like the ones that the Israelis were operating. And given the overall incompetence of the Israeli military, there was a 3:1 chance that the zoomies would've attacked the MTBs instead.

Blogger xevious2030 June 10, 2019 2:58 PM  

Good to hear, cool. Napalm would not be to sink, it would be to deny access (communication repairs). And a portion of the air attack would be to deny communications. The aircraft were not the only platforms. There were torpedoes, with one hit. And the Liberty wasn't going anywhere.

Blogger xevious2030 June 10, 2019 4:10 PM  

I’m not an aficionado, but here is a source or two. I wasn’t being particularly original. I could be wrong, but only if the information is.

The big one 29:12
“machine gun bullets […] some were going into the boiler, they were trying to explode the boiler, and they knew what they were doing.” Another speaker “we were basically dead in the water.”

22:10 (cold water and boiler)
23:56, 24:04, 24:20, 19:57
20:43
21:10 “stringing out longwires”
USS Liberty incident - BBC Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyiP1tUOxig

“It has been said the torpedo hit a major hull frame that absorbed much of the energy; crew members reported that if the torpedo had missed the frame the Liberty would have split in two. The other four torpedoes missed the ship.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Blogger xevious2030 June 10, 2019 4:32 PM  

Now that we have cut through the bull shit and posing with eye witness accounts, which I reviewed before I posted comments, here is a guess, which I would place in the realm of probable fiction. That the Liberty didn’t collect anything big (maybe it did, don’t know). That it was supposed to be destroyed, with wreckage later found. That upon finding the wreckage, Egypt was supposed to be nuked by the US for Israel. That no comms were supposed to get out. That longwire was placed, allowing comms through the jamming (don’t ask). That the comms getting out (through the jamming, documented) short circuited the timeline. That the bombing was still scheduled (with a moved up timetable), but that someone with brains figured out the mushroom clouds would prompt serious investigation, and so the bombing mission was short circuited to prevent it. That the op was shut down. And a cover up, the least volatile option at the time, was utilized. Again, not an aficionado, and this is a guess.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 10, 2019 5:49 PM  

Ok, here is the problem with your theory...

Israel, in 1967, did not have high end electronic warfare equipment. They had leftover WW2 kit that had been somewhat upgraded. To actually jam five different channels at once would require equipment much, much better than the Israelis (or the US, for that matter) had access to. Had there been jamming in that scale l, it would have been immediately obvious to everyone in the Eastern Med. (It would be like sitting next to Radio Raheem on the subway; you'd notice even if you were deaf.)

Nobody reported any such thing, and the Eastern Med was one of the busiest commercial shipping regions in the world.

And there is a clue hidden in that account. The "jamming" suddenly stopped when they rigged the longwire antenna. As if there wasn't any jamming, just damage to the antennae and the waveguides.

When you have two possible explanations, and one is physically impossible, whatever left is the explanation.

The truly worrisome part about the Liberty attack is that it shows that the Israeli military is utterly incompetent...and they now have a sizable nuclear arsenal.

Blogger SirHamster June 10, 2019 6:37 PM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:VD wrote:I think you've reduced yourself to a caricature. Literally no one here is buying it.

It is highly illustrative though. So there's that.


Every. Freaking. (((Time))).

Blogger xevious2030 June 10, 2019 7:25 PM  

You did a good job picking the one spot,kudos. You're wrong though about two possible explanations. They were being jammed, and they did communicate.

Blogger xevious2030 June 10, 2019 8:24 PM  

One last freebie. Did one device have to be used? Would emergency channels be on busy and likely to be monitered channels? The answers are no.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 10, 2019 10:57 PM  

Did one device have to be used?

No. A GREAT MANY devices would have to be used, more than anyone actually HAD available in-theater.

Would emergency channels be on busy and likely to be monitered channels?

Busy, no--they're only for EMERGENCIES.

Monitored? Absolutely. By EVERYONE. Because that guy screaming for help today might be the only guy able to respond in your hour of need next month.

The term of art for those channels is "GUARD," as everyone, afloat or airborne, military or civilian, is required to monitor ("guard") those channels for any distress signals and reply to any calls, render assistance, relay traffic onward to another station if necessary, etc.

In short, you maintain a listening watch unless you're sending a distress signal or replying to one. And jamming sufficient to render speech unintelligible (trust me, that's REALLY hard) would require a LOT of noise and a lot of effective radiated power (more than anyone, including the US and the USSR, actually had in-theater) that would've been noticed all the way out to Turkey, Greece, and Bulgaria (at least). And people would've talked. It would've made the rounds of Europe, if nowhere else. You'd have contemporaneous reports of massive interference on maritime and aviation distress frequencies at the same time as the attack on the Liberty.

Anyone reasonably close to the action (within 50 miles or so) would've been picking it up on their damn bedsprings!

Blogger DonReynolds June 10, 2019 11:05 PM  

I remember when this happened and I remember the headlines on the Nashville Banner newspaper, that "90 hurt in attack on US ship". My uncle was very angry and made sure everyone in the family knew we would be at war soon. Nobody can attack a US Navy ship and get away with it. It was a big event and after that there was no news other than the claim by Israel that the attack (during the Six Day War) was a case of mistaken identity. Of course that was impossible. No way that torpedo boats and aircraft can attack a US Navy ship by mistake for two hours during daylight hours. The gruesome and bloodthirsty nature of the attack was not reported at the time.

I just now bothered to look up the headlines of the bigger Nashville newspaper....The Tennessean....to see the headlines reporting the attack on the USS Liberty. There was nothing, not the entire month of June. One headline on June 4th, said the US attacked a Soviet ship resulting in one fatality, the Soviet leader met with LBJ, and the mayor's budget was rejected, daily coverage of the Six Day War, but nothing about the attack on the Liberty.

Blogger xevious2030 June 11, 2019 7:12 AM  

"Would've been picking it up on their damn bedsprings!" Now that's funny. About as made up as the rest of your stuff, but at least it was funny.

Blogger justthinkin June 11, 2019 8:35 AM  

TruNews did a Memorial Day two-part special interviewing many of the survivors including the author of "Assault of the Liberty". THEY didn't believe it was an accident.

Blogger Callmebluesummers June 11, 2019 11:19 AM  

If the only evidence was the testimony of the survivors that would be good enough for patriots, I wouldn't think it wouldn't good enough for pos izzi firster zionist.

Its telling that you said you don't accept the attack was deliberate. You didn't use the word believe.

You know the truth, you choose to accept the lie so you can drink Cohen juice and see yourself as a patriot.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 11, 2019 12:08 PM  

Ken Prescott wrote:Israel, in 1967, did not have high end electronic warfare equipment. They had leftover WW2 kit that had been somewhat upgraded. To actually jam five different channels at once would require equipment much, much better than the Israelis (or the US, for that matter) had access to.

What do you think a jammer is? I think it's a powerful transmitter, broadcasting white noise. Easily, trivially done with pre-WWII technology. An arc welder and an antenna could jam an entire band.

Electronic warfare and electronic warfare countermeasures can get sophisticated, but jamming is just broadcasting enough noise to mask the signal.


Blogger wraff June 12, 2019 11:32 AM  

Israel claimed they thought the ship was Egyptian. Lebanese radiomen monitoring Israeli tramsmissions during the attack suggest Israel knew full well it was an American ship and intendes to blame Egypt for the attack. This suggests it was a false flag to trick America into declaring war on Egypt

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