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Thursday, June 06, 2019

The dysgenic civilization

I've been warning about the decline of human intelligence for some time now. And contra the uninformed assumptions of the author of the piece, the average intelligence of the residents of the United States has been dropping precipitously for 50 years:
People are getting dumber. That's not a judgment; it's a global fact. In a host of leading nations, IQ scores have started to decline.

Though there are legitimate questions about the relationship between IQ and intelligence, and broad recognition that success depends as much on other virtues like grit, IQ tests in use throughout the world today really do seem to capture something meaningful and durable. Decades of research have shown that individual IQ scores predict things such as educational achievement and longevity. More broadly, the average IQ score of a country is linked to economic growth and scientific innovation.

So if IQ scores are really dropping, that could not only mean 15 more seasons of the Kardashians, but also the potential end of progress on all these other fronts, ultimately leading to fewer scientific breakthroughs, stagnant economies and a general dimming of our collective future....Details vary from study to study and from place to place given the available data. IQ shortfalls in Norway and Denmark appear in longstanding tests of military conscripts, whereas information about France is based on a smaller sample and a different test. But the broad pattern has become clearer: Beginning around the turn of the 21st century, many of the most economically advanced nations began experiencing some kind of decline in IQ.
There are two reasons. First and foremost, immigration. Second, dysgenic social policies discouraging the most intelligent quintile from propagating. The 20th century involved more than a rejection of eugenics across the West, it also witnessed an active and enthusiastic embrace of dysgenics.

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Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira June 06, 2019 5:54 AM  

Not a mystery if you grew up in a diverse school system.

Blogger stats June 06, 2019 6:03 AM  

The invention of the pill was the real beginning of the dysgenic landslide.

Blogger Ska_Boss June 06, 2019 6:04 AM  

Import the third world, become the third world. Dumb people are easier to control.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd June 06, 2019 6:09 AM  

Until you need to keep them from shitting in the streets....

Blogger john darson June 06, 2019 6:10 AM  

One element may be the obscene asset inflation and cost of living increase, driven by the Empire of Usury which holds dominion over the west, along with the increasing need of governments to drain their nations to facilitate war. People with longer time-preferences have a fundamental block preventing them from bringing forth children owing to these ever-increasing costs.

Blogger Gregory the Great June 06, 2019 6:15 AM  

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Blogger Brett baker June 06, 2019 6:17 AM  

Don't forget desire for increased living standards. 1950: Mom,Dad,3 kids, 1200 sq.ft. 1980: Mom,Dad,2 kids, 2,000 sq.ft. 2010:Mom,Dad,1 kid, 3,000 sq.ft. People wonder why housing is more expensive than "back in the day" when they buy twice as much house.

Blogger damaris.tighe June 06, 2019 6:22 AM  

Ed Dutton and Michael Woodley of Menie Yr. suggest intelligence has been declining since the 19thC. They conclude the diminution of selection pressure on humans since the industrial revolution is a major factor in this longer-term declining trend.
reproduction. The Jolly Heretic channel explores this in depth.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 6:32 AM  

While Eugenics as it was termed undeniably had some malicious practices, the concept conveyed by the word eugenics itself is rocks solid.

Outside of genetic manipulation, which isn't going to be applied to stupid populations to begin with, the only realistic method is death or its progenitive equivalent, sterilization, be it voluntary or otherwise. We can argue terms all we like, but any means of altering population characteristics will necessarily involve at least comparative sterility of some parts of the population.

So, on to birth control. This sounds like a plan, but it's the opposite of one. Between those actually inclined to use or even be aware of such measures, and those who even care, you're going to be controlling births of mid-future-oriented people rather than short-term-oriented ones. Birth control bad.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 6:37 AM  

So what, let children be born and starve? The Bible commands us to take care of widows and orphans, but most of these would be neither. One alternative is to kill the parents before they can have children if they engage in reproductive activity without any way to the means to support children.

An other alternative, exile of undesirable populations?

The only ways out are either these things that people are unwilling to do, or mass die-off when the ground comes up to meet us.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len June 06, 2019 6:40 AM  

But in a complete shock, (((eVAN hOROWITZ)) is quick to disprove both the immigration and dysgenic theories:

"However, a 2018 study of Norway has punctured these theories by showing that IQs are dropping not just across societies but within families. In other words, the issue is not that educated Norwegians are increasingly outnumbered by lower-IQ immigrants or the children of less-educated citizens. Even children born to high-IQ parents are slipping down the IQ ladder."

Of course, even a cursory reading of said study doesn't actually disprove anything, and even its author's admit they have no real explanation except their belief that it's "something environmental".

Blogger Lovekraft June 06, 2019 6:41 AM  

I had the thought that Islam is using the LGBT push for pedophilia to distract and minimize Mohamid molesting a 9-year old. So these two decrepit Houses of Filth have an alliance, with children being offered up as sacrifice.

Not sure if I'm right but the way things are heading, it wouldn't surprise me.

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 06, 2019 6:48 AM  

I've seen statistics the show that in north america, amongst self described white conservatives, the upper IQ quartile has more kids than the lowest.

Blogger damaris.tighe June 06, 2019 6:53 AM  

From article..."leaving IQs to atrophy as people flex their brains less"

Hilarious.

Blogger Hbogbinder June 06, 2019 6:57 AM  

I found Dutton and Woodley's "At Our Wit's End" quite convincing. And it certainly comports with my experience of watching complex systems in my home city (a hotbed of low-IQ immigration) fall apart due to an apparently lack of people intelligent enough to manage them. On the other hand, I just got the "Class Report" for the 25th Reunion of my "elite" Alma Mater and I was shocked to see how many of my classmates had large families. Seems like 3 kids was the mode, and there were tons of 4s and 5s. Now, it may be that those who had no kids are likelier to send in no report, but still the raw number of really big families (one guy, famous for his conservative activism on campus and in later life a Trump admin staffer had *12* kids) surprised me. I am not sure what to conclude, except maybe plenty of smart people actually want larger families, but you need to be rich (these people we're not just smart, but mostly financially smiled upon by elite credentialism of our economy) to make it feasible in our anti-natalist policy framework.

Blogger Sam June 06, 2019 7:06 AM  

@8
They are wrong. Selective pressures are as strong today as they were any other time in human history. It isn't about people dying, it is about the number of kids individuals have and a scenario where stupid people have 2 kids and smart have 2.5 is indistinguishable from one where stupid have 4 (and two die) and smart have 3.5 (and one dies).

@10
The bible isn't a suicide pact. The rules are about people who through no fault of their own are destitute and the determination is to be made by their community (aka the people who are paying to help them). People who have more children then they can support and attempt to dump the costs on the rest of society don;t get such benefits.

The Christian solution has been to dump such children in foundling hospitals and let attrition deplete their numbers.

@11
That sounds like they are pretending regression to the mean is something new and exciting.

@13
Yep, the decline in white birth rates is due to leftism, not intelligence. That and the left hates conservatives so spends their time trying to destroy them which hits stupid and poor conservatives the hardest.

Blogger ÆtherCzar June 06, 2019 7:13 AM  

I second the recommendation to check out Dutton and Woodley's "At Our Wit's End," or if video is more your preference, to check out the Jolly Heretic Channel on Youtube. If it's still there by the time you read this.

Blogger Eternal Anglo June 06, 2019 7:13 AM  

The year is 2030. I am the last Canadian with an IQ over 82. My ration of bagged milk is almost empty. This is my story...

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 06, 2019 7:13 AM  

Hispanics tend to be alarmingly brainless. I'm not kidding. There are outliers. But the vast majority of them could not think their way out of a wet paper bag. There's a reason why their home countries' main export is people.

Blogger PJW Gent June 06, 2019 7:16 AM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:I've seen statistics the show that in north america, amongst self described white conservatives, the upper IQ quartile has more kids than the lowest.
Personal observation has shown this to be true. All my intelligent friends have at least three kids, with some having 6-9. While we only had one, that was a health issue. We wanted much more.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 06, 2019 7:28 AM  

Evan Horowitz who writes analysis for a NBC property includes that America's average IQ is not dropping, magic dirt I suppose being the reason.

Imagine being part of the Democratic Party coalition, half the party cannot function, the other half is being driven mad and at the top pure evil skimming the profits.

Blogger Parrothead Al June 06, 2019 7:36 AM  

Mike Judge's Idiocracy can now be moved from comedy to documentary.

Blogger dienw June 06, 2019 7:42 AM  

O.T. The DNC is amassing a large database with the cooperation of silicon valley and is organizing college age youth into effective campaign workers.

The Lame Cherry blog consolidated the information from several sources.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 7:43 AM  

"and the determination is to be made by their community (aka the people who are paying to help them)."

That is predicated on the exile of undesirable populations, otherwise their community is our community.

Blogger pyrrhus June 06, 2019 7:44 AM  

I think there may be some environmental factors at work as well...Factory food, fluoridation (yes, it appears to slightly depress IQ), declining nutrient value in food in general due to worn out topsoil, more toxins in the air and in crops....all related to a much larger population and industrial farming...

Blogger Dark glasses Woody June 06, 2019 7:45 AM  

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Blogger Amy June 06, 2019 7:45 AM  

You need a certain IQ to join the military and be sent off to die for other nation’s concerns.

What was the effect of killing off the healthy white European descended men? It’s still going on today. A friend advocates for the memory of fallen soldiers. 99% of those killed are healthy, young, intelligent white men who will take all of that beauty with them to their graves.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 7:47 AM  

The only way to get rid of parasites is to kill them. In this case maybe not all of them, but exile isn't going to happen unless they dislike the alternative to leaving even more than leaving. So, some deaths will be necessary.

Blogger yoghi.llama June 06, 2019 7:52 AM  

The media never identify a "crisis" unless it's to propose a big smart "solution" later on. This is first wave propaganda.

What will be the big solution? Genetic engineering? Mandatory veganism? Burning children with too much dioxin upon obsidian pyramidal altars while chanting praise to Tlaloc? Banning all blue light? Changing the alphabet to Arabic?

Let's wait and see in a few years.

Blogger Pope Cleophus I June 06, 2019 7:52 AM  

One word: Television


The most important thing we've learned,
So far as children are concerned,
Is never, NEVER, NEVER let
Them near your television set —
Or better still, just don't install
The idiotic thing at all.
In almost every house we've been,
We've watched them gaping at the screen.
They loll and slop and lounge about,
And stare until their eyes pop out.
(Last week in someone's place we saw
A dozen eyeballs on the floor.)
They sit and stare and stare and sit
Until they're hypnotised by it,
Until they're absolutely drunk
With all that shocking ghastly junk.
Oh yes, we know it keeps them still,
They don't climb out the window sill,
They never fight or kick or punch,
They leave you free to cook the lunch
And wash the dishes in the sink —
But did you ever stop to think,
To wonder just exactly what
This does to your beloved tot?
IT ROTS THE SENSE IN THE HEAD!
IT KILLS IMAGINATION DEAD!
IT CLOGS AND CLUTTERS UP THE MIND!
IT MAKES A CHILD SO DULL AND BLIND
HE CAN NO LONGER UNDERSTAND
A FANTASY, A FAIRYLAND!
HIS BRAIN BECOMES AS SOFT AS CHEESE!
HIS POWERS OF THINKING RUST AND FREEZE!
HE CANNOT THINK — HE ONLY SEES!
'All right!' you'll cry. 'All right!' you'll say,
'But if we take the set away,
What shall we do to entertain
Our darling children? Please explain!'
We'll answer this by asking you,
'What used the darling ones to do?
'How used they keep themselves contented
Before this monster was invented?'
Have you forgotten? Don't you know?
We'll say it very loud and slow:
THEY… USED… TO… READ! They'd READ and READ,
AND READ and READ, and then proceed
To READ some more. Great Scott! Gadzooks!
One half their lives was reading books!
The nursery shelves held books galore!
Books cluttered up the nursery floor!
And in the bedroom, by the bed,
More books were waiting to be read!
Such wondrous, fine, fantastic tales
Of dragons, gypsies, queens, and whales
And treasure isles, and distant shores
Where smugglers rowed with muffled oars,
And pirates wearing purple pants,
And sailing ships and elephants,
And cannibals crouching 'round the pot,
Stirring away at something hot.
(It smells so good, what can it be?
Good gracious, it's Penelope.)
The younger ones had Beatrix Potter
With Mr. Tod, the dirty rotter,
And Squirrel Nutkin, Pigling Bland,
And Mrs. Tiggy-Winkle and-
Just How The Camel Got His Hump,
And How the Monkey Lost His Rump,
And Mr. Toad, and bless my soul,
There's Mr. Rat and Mr. Mole-
Oh, books, what books they used to know,
Those children living long ago!
So please, oh please, we beg, we pray,
Go throw your TV set away,
And in its place you can install
A lovely bookshelf on the wall.
Then fill the shelves with lots of books,
Ignoring all the dirty looks,
The screams and yells, the bites and kicks,
And children hitting you with sticks-
Fear not, because we promise you
That, in about a week or two
Of having nothing else to do,
They'll now begin to feel the need
Of having something to read.
And once they start — oh boy, oh boy!
You watch the slowly growing joy
That fills their hearts. They'll grow so keen
They'll wonder what they'd ever seen
In that ridiculous machine,
That nauseating, foul, unclean,
Repulsive television screen!
And later, each and every kid
Will love you more for what you did.

Blogger pyrrhus June 06, 2019 7:54 AM  

@21 The only way (((Horowitz))) and his ilk can make such claims is to ignore the massive drop in SAT scores in the last 50+ years....even as "the gap" between black and white, and male/female has remained the same, and even as the test has been dumbed down, and students were given up to 100 free points in the "renorming" of 1995....Now the SAT will add diversity points to minority scores (and maybe female scores?), which is an act of desperate sabotage...

Blogger pyrrhus June 06, 2019 7:57 AM  

@30 There is zero evidence that external factors, apart from nutrition, have a lasting effect on IQ, and strong evidence that they don't....Hence the total failure of Head Start and Sesame Street..

Blogger thalios June 06, 2019 7:59 AM  

I swear... the AI boogeyman creeps into so many articles nowadays. It's the new global war^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H climate change.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky June 06, 2019 7:59 AM  

Could also be that children are being raised more and more by strangers and television than my parents and siblings. That's a traumatic experience for a child on the one hand, and a degenerative practice on the other, even if it seems normal to most people these days. And early childhood trauma has a strong negative impact on intelligence and learning potential.

Blogger pyrrhus June 06, 2019 8:00 AM  

@27 <What was the effect of killing off the healthy white European descended men? It’s still going on today. A friend advocates for the memory of fallen soldiers. 99% of those killed are healthy, young, intelligent white men who will take all of that beauty with them to their graves.

Very true...They killed the best, and bred the rest...Dysgenic in spades...

Blogger Dark glasses Woody June 06, 2019 8:02 AM  

Undirected play requires mental striving, technological simulations of play bound the impulse. If it isn't a factor in the trend, it's still a shame.

Blogger pyrrhus June 06, 2019 8:02 AM  

But all civilizations seem to turn into IQ shredders...It obviously happened to the High Egyptian civilization, for example...

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 8:05 AM  

"I swear... the AI boogeyman creeps into so many articles nowadays. It's the new global war^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H climate change."

It is logical that if man could create a perfect being this perfect being would eliminate man, imperfect as he is.

The illogic is that perfection cannot proceed solely from the imperfect. We will never create an AI capable of replacing us.

The fear of AI is the opposite of the fear of zombies. One is a body without a mind, the other a mind without a body. In reality a body without a mind is dying. In reality a mind without a body incurs whatever it can influence as its manifest body.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 8:07 AM  

"But all civilizations seem to turn into IQ shredders...It obviously happened to the High Egyptian civilization, for example..."

If you hide your talents in the ground they sit fallow. If you collect them in an artificial box called a city they rot.

Gotta spread them out, till the Earth and plant them. Living things are meant to fill the whole Earth since the beginning.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton June 06, 2019 8:10 AM  

@#30: "Holiness," thank you for a superbly entertaining poem. I saved the whole thing.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 06, 2019 8:12 AM  

#31 a conservative always responds to what a prog says, I favor the why is this information being produced analysis.

My WAG is that the top psychotics who fund and skim the profits of the leftist shakedown racket are concerned that the Blank Slate Theory and its attendant propaganda are about to be thoroughly delegitimized.

Which to me is laughable, the HBD nerds are fairly harmless and willing to play the stooge every time a Blank Slater trolls them, without fail.

Blogger peacefulposter June 06, 2019 8:23 AM  

Everyone knows PC culture is out of control but it is interesting to see it in a graph.

Blogger Nation-Deprived June 06, 2019 8:31 AM  

Funny that SJWs used to jokes about this in the early aughts. Now it’s becoming a reality, but they’re going to deny it when they realize why “errbody gettin stupid.”

Blogger Amy June 06, 2019 8:37 AM  

If the cycle of decline, fall, and return is true, at some point we will have a high and intelligent ascendant culture.

Pity that it takes isolation and a certain stagnation to get the rise going again. Even the Phoenix has to burn away.

I know the Dark Ages weren’t, but isolation of ideas actually seemed to allow for percolation and perfection before they spread far and wide. All of this instant communication and gratification is killing innovation. You don’t always need collaborators. Sometimes it’s good to sit and think instead of discussing minutiae with divested people from all corners of the globe.

Blogger Johnny June 06, 2019 8:38 AM  

I doubt data could be produced to test it, but it seems likely that the old Catholic monastery system raised average IQ. In the Middle Ages the monastery population was very high. In some places a third of the cultivatable land was held by monasteries.

The vast majority of people who entered a monastery did not have children, and entering a monastery was a way of getting food, shelter, and clothing. Thus there was a financial motive for the poorest and least successful to enter a monastery. And a big disincentive to enter if you were wealthy. Thus it is quite likely that the monastery sorted out the least successful individuals or the lowest asset holding classes, and took them out of reproduction.

The modern day equivalent would be if getting welfare required entry into a sexually segregated institution, effectively terminating reproduction. Reproduction becomes the privilege of those who are self supporting.

Blogger Joe Smith June 06, 2019 8:48 AM  

@Azure Amaranthine Rather than talk about sterilization, why don't we just stop all the dysgenic nonsense first and see where we end up? When (if) we stop paying for the dumbest people to raise families of 20, things will look better on that front.

Blogger Johnny June 06, 2019 8:57 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:So what, let children be born and starve? The Bible commands us to take care of widows and orphans, but most of these would be neither.

At the time this model of behavior was put forward, welfare came from the community, not some government agency off somewhere. And we can reasonably expect that there would be a reluctance to help people who failed to help themselves. Back to winos dying overnight on skid row.

The children of poor people were at hazard of death through environmental stress. Christian charity sometimes took the form of having abandoned children taken into a monastery. Or they might be abandoned in a public square in the hope that somebody would pick them up. And we humans are quicker to kill off unwanted babies than one might think. Abortion is just the latest a high tech method. Until you get at least a name, in the human community you are not save.

As for cruelty, if we continue to behave as we are, we will be back to these traditional methods.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) June 06, 2019 9:00 AM  

Is it possible that a person could have a potential for intelligence, but that that potential could fail to be actualized because of environmental or other factors? In other words, take a child with the potential for intelligence, and put him in a substandard school system that deliberately miseducates and indoctrinates him, and surrounds him with hostile people who abuse him. Would this person still show a good performance on an IQ test?

Blogger dienw June 06, 2019 9:01 AM  

Our schools are fully functioning IQ shredders:

A substitute teacher working at an Iowa high school was taken off the sub list a few weeks after telling students that they had horrendous grammar during class.

S. Keyron McDermott opened up her piece in a local newspaper saying the high school terminated her last fall for telling students that their grammar skills were subpar – by around 10 years.

Blogger Historicus June 06, 2019 9:02 AM  

Genetic entropy too

Blogger ash June 06, 2019 9:10 AM  

Idiocracy is a documentary. If you haven't watched it do so now. There's a reason it was suppressed by Hollywood.

Blogger dienw June 06, 2019 9:14 AM  

Is it possible that a person could have a potential for intelligence, but that that potential could fail to be actualized because of environmental or other factors?

The biggest dysgenic factor is the parental lottery. I have seen bright, eager two and three year olds become dark visaged and sullen by five; how many children are born to parents who despise the intellect. I have watched as one of my brothers destroy his only son because the son was not cut out to be an athlete: this despising of the non-athletic off-spring came directly from his father, but doubly magnified.

All children have to make it intact through the first seven years of the parental gauntlet: few make it through whole.

Blogger Brett baker June 06, 2019 9:25 AM  

Naw, when people talk about traditional methods, they mean "handwavium", something worked, but not the things that actually did.

Blogger Brett baker June 06, 2019 9:28 AM  

Ever read anything by someone who "went to public schools when they were good"?

Blogger dienw June 06, 2019 9:38 AM  

Silly people. The dysgenic problems of America will be repaired by the Tikkun Olam of the (((White Saviors))): the Neocons, banksters, Hollywood moguls, and (((intellectuals))) are working on it now.

Blogger sammibandit June 06, 2019 9:38 AM  

Immigration is also unaesthetic. I've been trying to articulate this for a while, and have come to realize that heterogeneous populations are ugly, even grotesque.

Blogger sammibandit June 06, 2019 9:39 AM  

Make 1950 closer to 700 sqft. 1200 must count the car port.

Blogger sammibandit June 06, 2019 9:44 AM  

Lack of physical activity might be a factor too.

Blogger SJ June 06, 2019 9:44 AM  

Show me where I can buy one of these 1200 sq ft houses. The houses around me are all 3000+ and it's just two, or even one, really old boomer living in em. Heck sometimes it's nobody just some old boomers "investment" he'll brag about. He can't wait for the Honduran invaders to sell enough heroin to his kids to be able to afford to buy it.

Blogger Monotonous Languor June 06, 2019 9:48 AM  

Hohoho, the oligarchy is getting a bit worried these days, starting to notice that stupidity is on the rise in the West, and starting to wonder what the effects on their lifestyles might be. Their typically half-assed solution is to seize on AI as “smart” replacements for the untermensch.

Meanwhile, human systems are thrashing, too many resources being devoted to changing things a la progressive policies, crowding out the real work of producing goods and services.

Maybe Somebody external to the system should hit the reboot key.

Blogger sammibandit June 06, 2019 9:49 AM  

>Could also be that children are being raised more and more by strangers and television than my parents and siblings. That's a traumatic experience for a child on the one hand, and a degenerative practice on the other, even if it seems normal to most people these days. And early childhood trauma has a strong negative impact on intelligence and learning potential.

If you enroll a 0 month old newborn in daycare you should die where you stand per Matthew and the millstone. Attachment disorder is a terrible thing to do to a child. Funny how men's salaries were halved so women can work to pay for a fat daycare lady to sit on, hit, and yell at kids they are paid to care for.

Blogger liberranter June 06, 2019 9:49 AM  

Of course our Prog overlords are celebrating this.

Blogger binks webelf June 06, 2019 9:49 AM  

"I doubt data could be produced to test it, but it seems likely that the old Catholic monastery system raised average IQ."

In same cases, the English monasteries would find a bright son of the land, and educate him in the monastery school, then sponsor him to go to university at a connected college. Said son would then join academia, or the clergy, and leap from farming to the braining class, in the olden style English system of rising socially.

Sadly, such upward social mobility has been sworn off in exchange for welfare and other trinkets of the Nanny State, keeping the existing elites stale & stratified, and the little people down. Very progress.

Blogger Uncle John's Band June 06, 2019 10:06 AM  

@10 "The only ways out are either these things that people are unwilling to do, or mass die-off when the ground comes up to meet us."

The more you look at the patterns, the clearer it is that the Fallen nature of the world is baked into reality in observable ways.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 June 06, 2019 10:14 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:So what, let children be born and starve? The Bible commands us to take care of widows and orphans, but most of these would be neither. One alternative is to kill the parents before they can have children if they engage in reproductive activity without any way to the means to support children.

An other alternative, exile of undesirable populations?

The only ways out are either these things that people are unwilling to do, or mass die-off when the ground comes up to meet us.


The Bible commands us to take care of those around us but also that those of us who do not take care of our own families are worse than unbelievers.

The government is not a substitute for charity.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 06, 2019 10:17 AM  

sammibandit wrote:... a fat daycare lady ...

They are often fat. That is an interesting empirical regularity.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 06, 2019 10:25 AM  

SJ wrote:how me where I can buy one of these 1200 sq ft houses. The houses around me are all 3000+ and it's just two, or even one, really old boomer living in em.

I grew up in a family of 6 (4 kids mom and dad) in a 1024 square foot row home. We were pretty typical. All of the homes in the area were identical and 3-5 kids was pretty much the norm.

It was completely decimated between 1975 and 1985. An entire community forced to move. Most fled to the soulless suburbs. This was replicated all over the city. The price they paid to live in a bigger house in an area safe from all the violence and chaos of diversity was mom had to go to work and put her 1 baby in daycare.

Blogger kurt9 June 06, 2019 10:28 AM  

Its funny this comes from NBC News, when all of the lefties consider IQ to be nothing more than a social construct used to keep this or that group of color down.

Blogger David Ray Milton June 06, 2019 10:30 AM  

It’s true about suppressing reproduction incentives for the upper quintile, but at the same time, in my observation, the upper quintile isn’t doing itself many favors.

If more nerds hit the gym they would breed more. Most smart people are “healthy,” but a lower percentage of them have high T.

Blogger freddie_mac June 06, 2019 10:31 AM  

In keeping with this topic, see Zman's post today: Apes Flying Planes (http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=17680)

An excerpt:

Now, imagine what happens when a people become too stupid to maintain the technology created by their ancestors. This is something that would be predicted by social cycle theory. As the ruling elites, the smart fraction, sees its fertility rate decline, the overall IQ of the people declines. There could reach a point where the society no longer has the social capital to maintain the social and material complexity created by their ancestors. At some point, their world becomes chimps flying airplanes. ...

Now, the evidence is strong that Europeans are getting dumber, and that is putting aside the issues related to immigration. In fact, the decline into stupidity may be accelerating. When you add in immigration by people with significantly lower intelligence than existing European people, the effect is an acceleration toward a much lower average IQ for Western nations. Again, this is predicted by social cycle theory to a degree, but also backed up by research into the subject by people like Ed Dutton.


The social instability of the West, things like the inability to control borders and the revival of primitive beliefs, promoted by female shamans, could very well be due to the decline of general intelligence. The people populating the machinery for running a modern Western society no longer possess the intelligence to properly operate the machinery. They are like those researchers who discovered alien technology, except our rulers, bureaucrats, and intellectuals are convinced they know how all of it works.

Blogger Jacob June 06, 2019 10:31 AM  

Breeding. People carefully select dogs and horses based on breeding, but not so much thought on their own mate selection and resulting offspring.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 10:34 AM  

"Rather than talk about sterilization, why don't we just stop all the dysgenic nonsense first and see where we end up? When (if) we stop paying for the dumbest people to raise families of 20, things will look better on that front."

"Comparative sterility." I foresaw your objection.

Down to brass tacks, anything, other than eugenic to some extent, is dysgenic. The interstice between them is infinitesimal to insignificance.

Death, sterility -- which is slower death -- , exile. These are the means of eugenics, in all possible varying degrees. All are already in use, though most are masked in varying shades. Exile from means to communicate or stable employment. Sterilization through the desolation of malicious social sequestrations. Death -- gradual murder -- through the drained vitality of parasitic theft, usury, glammers conjured with one hand while strangling with the other.

That's what all war is. To slowly throttle the enemy until one of you can no longer compete for dominance in which ever aspect. Whoever is still breathing fully of the pneuma at the end wins. The loser is diminished.

Our main advantage is that "all" we have to do is survive, multiply. God's created nature will do much of the culling for us. Best not be among the culled.

Blogger Dos Voltz June 06, 2019 10:41 AM  

I am a proponent of eugenics, a phrase that causes stupid people to recoil. I only mean that a man should do his best to cultivate his own virtues so that he might have the ability to one day to select a pretty wife of high intelligence.

This, in fact, has been how most men in healthy societies have always behaved. This, of course, is a voluntary system of eugenics, not the "forced" kind where deplorables are eliminated, as was the M.O. of many regimes in history and our current Deep State. Of course, the modern Deep State and Heartiste's "Globohomo" wants an end to truth and beauty and the people who favor them.

If you show me a man who does NOT believe in eugenics then I will show you a man who prefers to select a fat, ugly, stupid woman for a wife. Who WANTS his progeny to be of lower quality than himself. Sadly, this is happening more. Because "fat shaming" is out and "love of beauty" is a heinous sin.

The future looks like airports clogged with grounded planes and highways filled with stalled cars with fat morons looking on while eating their own boogers. Because no one remembers how to operate or maintain the machines.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman June 06, 2019 10:45 AM  

"All children have to make it intact through the first seven years of the parental gauntlet: few make it through whole."

Well said!

My early years were spent as an omega thanks to an emotionally absent father and domineering controlling mother.
As my father in law always ask .." who do so many parents purposely screw over their kids"?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 10:48 AM  

"The Bible commands us to take care of those around us but also that those of us who do not take care of our own families are worse than unbelievers."

Ahh, see, here is the trap you walk into.

Every child you don't have because of effort spent elsewhere? Might as well have partial-birth aborted it. People are exponential seeds. Diverted effort is another means to comparative sterility for yourself. Cuckoo eggs feeding off the resources that should have gone to your own.

Exile, sterility, starvation, death. Pruned from the tree. Severed from the superorganism.

Care for your own family must include those not yet born to you and your spouse. Resources spent to suture your family to the larger community are like sap in the tree. They should never, ever go to part of another tree if you can help it. As cruel as it sounds, worse, these aren't even parts of another tree. These are closer to analogue weevils. People? Yes, but not yours. This withholding is effectively exile/starvation/death for weevils decohered from what might have once been their tree.

Blogger JovianStorm June 06, 2019 10:58 AM  

Anytime IQ comes up there's a group here who talks nonstop about killing the inferior.

So how many people have you personally killed? Why do these people need to die? Why do you get to propose such an unfeasible fantasy and still get to survive your own purge?

This is why discussions on IQ or nationalism don't go anywhere; we either get anecdotal stories or the hyperbolic fantasies crowd.

Low IQ people should be easier to control and I'm pissed at the GOP for failing to act any smarter than the Down syndromers out there while the Left cleans house with the low IQ set. Stupid people have value in large numbers (mining, cannon fodder, Marvel comic artist, etc) and its up to the intelligent crowd to give them rules to follow and roles to thrive in. That most of our intelligent/educated are commies mean that we don't have any clue as to how to harness the power of stupid people in large groups (building pyramids, etc.) It was the true malevolence of Communism that they corrupted the education system first to build discord in the low IQ classes by giving them impossible dreams as their motivation And rage/frustration at not achieving those goals as their sole impetus in life.

Any realistic solution has to take into account the low IQ in the population and how to give them simple self-actualization to remove them as a threat to civilization...compared to neutralizing the threat of 110 IQ Lefties handling the sub-100IQ people should be cake easy. Once that's done then we focus on the smart folks.

Blogger Clay June 06, 2019 10:59 AM  

Always gives me a big chuckle when those talking heads on TV say, "the American people are not stupid", which they are so apt to do.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 06, 2019 11:01 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:I think there may be some environmental factors at work as well

Yes, it's certainly a multifactorial toxic stew.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 11:03 AM  

And why is eugenics a bad word?

Well, when you start looking at what contributes to the health of the superorganism, what's the most blindingly obvious eye sore? Parasites in all of their classifications, separating resources from the body, propagating themselves out of proportion like a cancer, if they had ever been of use in the first place. This isn't just the footsoldier peoples, but the self-elect as well, those to whom all the world is dog-eat-dog and spite for their perceived lessers or deified envy of their betters is defensive rationalization for their overconsumption of the vital fluids.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo June 06, 2019 11:12 AM  

Brett baker wrote:Don't forget desire for increased living standards. 1950: Mom,Dad,3 kids, 1200 sq.ft. 1980: Mom,Dad,2 kids, 2,000 sq.ft. 2010:Mom,Dad,1 kid, 3,000 sq.ft. People wonder why housing is more expensive than "back in the day" when they buy twice as much house.

More like the desire to escape vibrancy.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 06, 2019 11:16 AM  

@49 I've observed a marked deterioration in grammar over recent years, even among otherwise smart people. Some of it is subtle, but overall it's a slide in language skills. And it goes hand in hand with the deterioration of punctuation.

Some of it is the informal communication style of the online world; that is creeping into other areas. But much of it is more fundamental; just downright improper usage of words. And it's insidious. If you read things from 100 years ago you can really see how far we've fallen.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 11:18 AM  

"Anytime IQ comes up there's a group here who talks nonstop about killing the inferior.

So how many people have you personally killed? Why do these people need to die? Why do you get to propose such an unfeasible fantasy and still get to survive your own purge?"


You don't seem to understand that you're describing the nature of the world. Blood, the vital fluid, is the price demanded for any deviation from perfection. What is imperfect cannot of itself become perfect, it must either die or kill something else to perpetuate its existence. This is a baseline function of reality.

For the Christian, what has been killed is Christ, allowing us to return to perfection. Any separation from the blood of Christ is allegiance to deviation, and if it does not abate will be paid in our own blood.

Faith without works is dead. We will know the tree of faith by its fruit. Continued deviation is separation from the tree. Separation from the tree is death itself. What matter is it whether that death comes through suicide of the deviant, lightning from the sky, or under the treads of people like us acting as we ought? They are already dead. Their resurrection from death is Grace from God when it happens, but it would not be grace if it must have happened. Only God can turn them, and while our guidance of those turned is faithful devotion toward and emulation of the same God whom saved us, if He has not turned them we cannot guide them away from death, whatever its mode must be.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo June 06, 2019 11:19 AM  

David Ray Milton wrote:If more nerds hit the gym they would breed more. Most smart people are “healthy,” but a lower percentage of them have high T.

Maybe, but high IQ people (men & boys especially) have personality issues and social impairments that render them unattractive to the opposite sex. The 2-SD communication gap alone accounts for most.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 11:21 AM  

"compared to neutralizing the threat of 110 IQ Lefties handling the sub-100IQ people should be cake easy. Once that's done then we focus on the smart folks."

That's what you either forgot or didn't realize. The plight of the sub 100s is the excuse for the super-110 to take all from us, skimming a large cut off the top in the process. The subs won't be manageable until the supers are dethroned.

Blogger Anthea June 06, 2019 11:22 AM  

I recently read that 67% of 14-year olds can barely read and write properly, and 63% of 14-year olds can't do math. This is supposed to be our future doctors and engineers? And why is this happening? Demographic change, of course. I would guess it's because White children of European descent are now a minority in our schools.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 06, 2019 11:22 AM  

sammibandit wrote:If you enroll a 0 month old newborn in daycare you should die where you stand per Matthew and the millstone.

Amen. But I'd raise that age by quite a bit (and I suspect you would too, but are using the extreme to illustrate the point).

I'm 55 yo, and my wife was stay at home all through my kids' childhood. But she was swimming against a big social current doing that, even back in the '80s. She felt very out of place amongst the Air Force Wive's Club, as they were all college educated and worried about how they were going to work.

I can't even imagine what it would be like in the Current Year.

Blogger anorganicbear June 06, 2019 11:23 AM  

Vox: Off topic, but maybe we can bring back the Formula 1 girls on UATV? https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/42950040

Blogger Avalanche June 06, 2019 11:24 AM  

@10 "An other alternative, exile of undesirable populations?"

Ah have a DREEEAM! That one day, all of Murderin' Lootin' Killin's children and relatives of any degree and any nation will be forcibly repatriated to africa and a BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL will be built across the top end of that entire continent. A 100' wall with no doors or windows, and manned machine gun turrets 100' back from the wall. Ah have a DREAM!

So I say to you:
Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.

And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: restricted citizenship set the criteria for naturalization to "any alien, being a free white person" having two years of residency, proof of good moral character, and an oath to support the Constitution. It also mandated that one must "absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to every foreign Prince, Potentate, State or Sovereignty."

Let it be soon! Deus vult!

Blogger Paul M June 06, 2019 11:24 AM  

Brett baker wrote:People wonder why housing is more expensive than "back in the day" when they buy twice as much house.
Back in the day, kids didn't spend their time indoors. They were on the street playing ball with their neighbours.

It isn't that it's more dangerous these days. It's that kids are mothered more than they used to be.

Houses are big because they are each isolated kingdoms that the residents never need to leave.

Blogger Avalanche June 06, 2019 11:27 AM  

@16 "People who have more children then they can support and attempt to dump the costs on the rest of society don;t get such benefits."

Bring back the classes of the Deserving Poor and the Undeserving Poor. And God knows we have waaaaaaayyy too many of the second!!

Blogger Achilles June 06, 2019 11:31 AM  

Third, all the poisons the Jews put in our medicine and food.

Blogger Avalanche June 06, 2019 11:32 AM  

@27 "What was the effect of killing off the healthy white European descended men? It’s still going on today. A friend advocates for the memory of fallen soldiers. 99% of those killed are healthy, young, intelligent white men who will take all of that beauty with them to their graves."

The heck with memory-after! Maybe we need to start a "military sperm bank" for our young White men -- "deposit" before you go to war for Israel! And only "White women of good moral character who have resided in these U.S. for at least 14 years" may participate in withdrawal and use? At least then, the genetic lines of these deluded warriors wouldn't be ended?

Blogger Avalanche June 06, 2019 11:36 AM  

@30 "(It smells so good, what can it be?
Good gracious, it's Penelope.)"

Less-than-optimal meter; maybe replace with?

(It smells so good, what can it be?
Goodness gracious: Penelope!)


Otherwise: Brilliant!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 11:37 AM  

Perhaps the ability to be deluded in this manner is a weakness in need of elimination. Perhaps.

Whether elimination of the bloodlines susceptible, or the adaptation of alternate lines of information in hopes of avoiding the pain of their loss. Perhaps.

Blogger binks webelf June 06, 2019 11:41 AM  

Just signed up to Unauthorized.tv, to help me brain more gooder, by watching smart.

Blogger SonofLonginus June 06, 2019 11:42 AM  

Vox, are you aware of any figures concerning the era of the Fall of Rome and the related intelligence of the peoples within its sphere?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 June 06, 2019 11:49 AM  

I heard that Tesla's race, a subset of Serbs, was completely annihilated in the early 1900s. Albert Einstein's first wife, who was from that same race, may have contributed more to that incestuous Jew's theories than he did.

I think the king of this world doesn't like smart bloodlines and will do everything in his power to remove them. The simple and foolish are much easier to sway under their thumb and make for better slaves (in every conceivable way).

The enemy is trying to move us toward the original dark ages again.

Blogger sammibandit June 06, 2019 11:57 AM  

@Duke Norfolk,

Good on you folks. If childbirth is battle, childrearing is war. SAHM are treated like crap by their shallow, working peers. "But you need to work to afford things!!112". Leave me alone, Becky. Your bank account won't love you.

Working moms are very averse to hearing that their children will hate them if they're in care for more than 20 hours a week. I know. I've been there since I was raised by my mom's mom till age 13. Youth Rebellion is simply realizing you weren't enough to keep your mom interested. Boy, was I mad for about 7 years when suddenly I was torn from my oma and back in parental care. I spent those years between 13 and 21 addicted to alcohol and speed.

What repaired my relationship with my mom was talking frankly about the degenerate things I did--so many things, that were done to me, how I hurt others out of rage. Ymmv. Luckily my parents are married and I was always able to talk with them about adult topics like politics.

I am going to be a SAHM and I'm looking forward to looking down my nose at working moms.

@Ominous Cowherd,

Fat people rush for nothing in haste but food. You absolutely can't trust them to watch kids. They're externally motivated and practice self deception like it's religion. I studied fat women for 4 years for work. They suck so much. Nothing is their fault. They even blame their own kids or coworkers for their problems. Fat logic is absolutely a discrete phenomena.

Blogger VD June 06, 2019 12:10 PM  

Vox, are you aware of any figures concerning the era of the Fall of Rome and the related intelligence of the peoples within its sphere?

Actual figures are impossible, but there is a theory about the fall of Rome that is based on the lead pipes transporting the water negatively affecting Roman intelligence.

Blogger Avalanche June 06, 2019 12:25 PM  

@76 Anytime IQ comes up there's a group here who talks nonstop about killing the inferior.
So how many people have you personally killed? Why do these people need to die? Why do you get to propose such an unfeasible fantasy and still get to survive your own purge?


What on earth makes you think most of us 'talking about killing the inferior' think we will get to survive the purge?


@76 Any realistic solution has to take into account the low IQ in the population and how to give them simple self-actualization to remove them as a threat to civilization...compared to neutralizing the threat of 110 IQ Lefties handling the sub-100IQ people should be cake easy. Once that's done then we focus on the smart folks.

Okay Pollyanna, then please describe how you will give the low-IQ population self-actualization? Stop their welfare? Increase their welfare? Take their kids? Kill their kids? What's your solution? "Why these people need to die" is they are a suffocating drag on any chance for us to carry on Western civilization! They are lice and nits! They are poisonous and destructive to our nation! And yeah, it SUCKS to be "one of the good ones" -- too bad, tough luck: why should they get to benefit from us, while the massive numbers of their "not-good ones" kin destroy us?!


When I rant at you folks with your "stop all abortion, save all the babies," all I see is y'all wishing we HAD allowed since 1976 the birth of nineteen million black future criminals, future rapists, future torturers of White Americans, but no one ever answers my comments or questions. Is this not a fundamentally vital question to address?


...remove them as a threat to civilization... cake easy... -- just how?! Do you not differentiate between our own low-IQ people, and the swarms and tsunamis of not-us low-IQ people? I also often read "never interfere with your enemy when he (or she) is making a mistake!" If you're cleaning lice out of your beloved single child's hair -- your single child, because you can't afford 3 or 4 -- but you choose to leave the nits, the eggs of future lice, on your child's body; are you not a bad parent? Those nits will grow up into lice. You have chosen to let those nits grow up into lice ON YOUR CHILD!

Is not your Bibilical job to protect your own? To care for your family? How does giving preferential treatment to groups who are not your 'genetically related, very extended family' meet that standard?


So, which is it?
19 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade
36.0% of all abortions in the U.S. in 2014 were performed on Black women,
Only about 13.3% of the total population is Black; making black women 6-8%, yes?
For every 1,000 live births:
non-Hispanic Black women had 391 abortions.
non-Hispanic White women had 120 abortions
(https://rtl.org/multicultural-outreach/black-abortion-statistics/)

Blogger Balam June 06, 2019 1:01 PM  

JovianStorm wrote:Low IQ people should be easier to control and I'm pissed at the GOP for failing to act any smarter than the Down syndromers out there while the Left cleans house with the low IQ set. Stupid people have value in large numbers (mining, cannon fodder, Marvel comic artist, etc) and its up to the intelligent crowd to give them rules to follow and roles to thrive in. That most of our intelligent/educated are commies mean that we don't have any clue as to how to harness the power of stupid people in large groups (building pyramids, etc.) It was the true malevolence of Communism that they corrupted the education system first to build discord in the low IQ classes by giving them impossible dreams as their motivation And rage/frustration at not achieving those goals as their sole impetus in life.

When it comes to the "poors/dumb/redneck/nigs/spics......." just leave them alone. Focus on your own community and if you don't have one either find one or create one. Most people are happier if you just let them do their own thing. It has been pointed out that most of the caravans of invaders coming into Europe and America are being funded by outside sources. Welfare dysgenics are funded by outside sources. More horror has been brought about by smarties who think they know better than you, than the horrors brought about by leaving indigenous people alone. Just come by every so often to collect taxes to fund the wars/mining/etc and leave them be otherwise. No more utopianism.

Blogger Adlow June 06, 2019 1:04 PM  

SonofLonginus wrote:Vox, are you aware of any figures concerning the era of the Fall of Rome and the related intelligence of the peoples within its sphere?

If anything, the barbarian invasions resembled Chinese immigration more than any other. You see a lot of Germanic names in the top ranks of the army and civil service in the Late Empire.

Blogger Lovekraft June 06, 2019 1:04 PM  

Apparently Carlos Manza is one of the tribe.

https://magaimg.net/img/856r.png

Blogger Joe Smith June 06, 2019 1:05 PM  

@Azure Amaranthine "Our main advantage is that "all" we have to do is survive, multiply. God's created nature will do much of the culling for us. Best not be among the culled."

In what way is this different than simply ceasing to provide dysgenic incentives? No need to go around intentionally culling the herd, as if there's anyone we could trust to do that, when nature will cull for us if we stop providing a non-equilibrium bias.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 06, 2019 1:05 PM  

Put down the science fiction any gooberment strong enough to kill the weak will kill you.

White Liberals had one job, Birthing Licenses, that's it, one job and they failed miserably, losers.

Blogger Lovekraft June 06, 2019 1:07 PM  

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Blogger Johnny June 06, 2019 1:08 PM  

The guy who wrote the Bell Curve claimed that the optimal IQ for reproduction was one standard deviation below average. Average at the time of course. One outcome of this is that populations that are less smart have a larger number of individuals in the optimal area for reproduction, thus their decline is faster. If so, then the stupid groups are getting more stupid faster.

There is not going to be some fixed ratio between nature and nurture, because different social conditions produce different levels of variance in the nurture part. Are the kids all treated alike or different? Twin studies in the US produced the outcome that heredity, apparently, was about twice as important as conditions in accounting for the deviation from the mean in most characteristics.

Blogger pyrrhus June 06, 2019 1:17 PM  

Greg Clark addressed the question of how the Victorians got so smart in A Farewell to Alms....In a subsistence economy with little welfare, the upper and merchant classes, and wealthier farmers, had a lot of kids who survived because they had the necessities of life and a safety margin..The lower classes had fewer kids and a lower % of surviving kids because they didn't, and if they tried to support themselves with crime, they got executed or transported...Classic Darwinian selection for intelligence operating for a millennium...Then along came Victorian do-gooders, and small families at the top, and it turned into an IQ shredder....

Blogger sammibandit June 06, 2019 1:49 PM  

@Lovekraft

>Pretending things 'just happened' doesn't cut it. F'in boomers.

Well said. I've even tried the confess/compensate rule with friends' parents. Believe it or not, some old friends' single moms thought I was a bad influence. One thought I was bad news because I tried in vain to beat up a guy who propositioned my friend for sex while wearing a wedding ring. Never knew loyalty to a fault to someone else's kid is "bad news". Would have thought most people would want a friend like me for their daughter. But, confessing helped me see that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree in that case. Your method works both ways.

Blogger Beardy Bear June 06, 2019 1:56 PM  

Except most houses around here at least were built between 1920 and 1970, yet the price is up 100% since 2015.

Blogger Beardy Bear June 06, 2019 2:00 PM  

They are all dead or boomers.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 06, 2019 2:00 PM  

VD wrote:Vox, are you aware of any figures concerning the era of the Fall of Rome and the related intelligence of the peoples within its sphere?

Actual figures are impossible, but there is a theory about the fall of Rome that is based on the lead pipes transporting the water negatively affecting Roman intelligence.



Over the years I see this get debated back and forth. IMO: possible as a factor, not certain as a direct cause.

Blogger Nate73 June 06, 2019 2:02 PM  

I watched a youtube vid that guessed that the upper classes replaced the lower classes of england at least twice over the medieval period due to different reproduction rates. Would giving monetary incentives to families work or is that a pipe dream? Encouraging people to have kids is easier politically than telling people they can't have them.

Blogger Azimus June 06, 2019 2:06 PM  

AmyJune 06, 2019 8:37 AM
If the cycle of decline, fall, and return is true, at some point we will have a high and intelligent ascendant culture.

Pity that it takes isolation and a certain stagnation to get the rise going again. Even the Phoenix has to burn away.


I don't think its going to be nearly the same this time around, nor is the dark ages part of a natural historical cycle that I can see. Christianity was the gift that allowed competing tribes to stop slaughtering each other for steadily dwindling resources in the dark ages, and to let these different isolated pockets scratch out an existence then flourish. This time the pond has been stocked with far less compatible fish and when they stop dropping in the food flakes it will look more like Mad Max.

And honestly setting aside IQ, the collective knowledge of the west of how to do things has been irreparably damaged in the last 50 years - we have an unsustainable weight of useless humanity busily selling each other real estate or professional photography or wedding planning - nobody knows how to rebuild an engine or treat whooping cough or plant a garden anymore, not to mention stuffing their faces with MSG and popping pills to stay alive... I tend to agree w/Big Bear when the "grid goes down" (and by that I mean the death of credit-based economics), many many many people are going to die, and an extra 15 IQ points is only going to keep so many people alive. In this bleak future its know-how more than IQ that will be the critical attribute. Knowing how to plant, how to build, how to heal - how to fight.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 06, 2019 2:07 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Put down the science fiction any gooberment strong enough to kill the weak will kill you.

Will kill you first, because the weak aren't a threat to the gooberment and you are.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction June 06, 2019 2:12 PM  

Yes, I bought not to long ago and I saw 1500 square foot houses going for 400 to 600k depending on the neighborhood

Blogger sammibandit June 06, 2019 2:19 PM  

>Will kill you first, because the weak aren't a threat to the gooberment and you are.

Exactly. Lebensraum was full of land owning Germans like the Wälddeutsche and the Swabian and Germanized Polish Wendish serfs who were in their care. These are some of the top ranking ethnicities in productivity, yet they were ethnically cleansed. The same thing happened to Red Ruthenians/Lemkos, Kulaks, just a few Oblast/Voivods away but years earlier (think 1920 to 1922). Funny, eh?

Blogger David Ray Milton June 06, 2019 2:30 PM  

You’re not wrong. But, then I look at all of the 125+ IQ women who are also not reproducing and who are also awkward in female social circles. The braniac men could communicate just fine with these ladies if they had the stones to do so and hopefully make a litter of geniuses.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 06, 2019 2:32 PM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:If you read things from 100 years ago you can really see how far we've fallen.

How true! I read a lot of old fiction and I often need a dictionary when reading this old fiction, even pulp stuff, like Edgar Rice Burroughs. This stuff was aimed at the masses.


Blogger Warunicorn June 06, 2019 2:37 PM  

Anthea wrote:I recently read that 67% of 14-year olds can barely read and write properly, and 63% of 14-year olds can't do math. This is supposed to be our future doctors and engineers? And why is this happening? Demographic change, of course. I would guess it's because White children of European descent are now a minority in our schools.

I looked on incredulously when, at a local supermarket, the cashier stated how much she loved the Fourth of July...even though she had no idea what it's about. I want to say she was in her 20's or 30's. She didn't have an accent or anything either so I'm assuming she was born and raised here.

It all suddenly makes sense on why things in this country are sh*t.

Blogger Akuma June 06, 2019 2:45 PM  

Yes. Research those raised by narcissists or just abusive parents. Or even High .IQ adults who suffer trauma. Theres lots of high IQ people in low wage jobs or even homeless. They are actively discriminated against because stupid people hate smart people. Idiot managers also dont like being embarrassed by underlings. Its a "If you could, you would mentality" directed at them.

Theres also social constraints keeping them down. Progressive Credentialism is one. If your smart, but dont have the means to obtain the competent papers you need you're stuck.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit June 06, 2019 2:49 PM  

Western populations are averaging lower IQ scores.

No question.

But are "people" becoming less intelligent in the U.S.?

Quite possibly yes. Increased exposure in utero to environmental toxins. Increased exposure during the toddler and teen mental "blooms" to toxins, and stressors (day care, violence, prison schools, low fat diets). All contribute to brain damage.

And that's purely what can be demonstrated biologically. What are the effects on long term habits that affect IQ scores (doing math and reading every day from kindergarten on vs not) on all the marginally intelligent and unintelligent groups? The culture is a dumpster fire, so good habits are increasingly catch-as-catch can if not outright heresy (because sexism, or racism).

The bad news is that barring a miracle the population war is lost. The good news is that the people war is in your hands: your kids, your church, your community.

Blogger xevious2030 June 06, 2019 2:52 PM  

Haiti and the Dominican Republic provide an item of comparison. Same island, different heritable combination groups. In Haiti, lack of access to money does not reduce the population. In Haiti, as in Africa, access to medical aid and food aid provide the floor and ceiling for the population numbers. Dominican is better of, and even with food and medicine available, the population is not crawling on top of one another for space.

In the various industrializing nations of Europe, access to food and medicine/sanitary practice allowed the population to grow to be about 20%-25% of the world population. Which was followed by the afore mentioned access to Africa, and also to Asia and elsewhere, reducing that 20%-25% considerably. In the world in general, separation and cutting off access to technological maintenance would go a long way. At home, individuals practicing basic animal husbandry rather than hot in the pants husbandry would help as well. Financially encouraging (even reduction of normal expenses/taxes) biological (rather than adoption or surrogacy) top expansion would likely help.

Eugenics itself is a tool, not a solution. Looking to tools for solutions, especially if pressed for by the average, have less certain outcomes and ramifications, tend to lose their usefulness, and as a result, the tool may be thrown away outright.

Blogger xevious2030 June 06, 2019 3:05 PM  

Oh, and returning real teeth to the father giving his daughters hand in marriage would go a long way. Would prevent the one who actually makes the babies from hooking up with a self-centered, narcissistic, dead ender concerned more with vacations and a new car than carrying on the line, a proper family, and posterity. Christianity being a given.

Blogger dvdivx June 06, 2019 3:42 PM  

Considering the low levels of immigration it would be interesting to compare the IQ of Japan over time vs Europe or the US. I'd bet that Japan does not have a decrease.

Blogger xevious2030 June 06, 2019 3:58 PM  

In other words, you allow the natural human behaviors to return them to their natural condition. At that point, you do not need to rely on specific decisions at specific points to result in general knowable outcomes. You don’t need constant reinforcing action to correct against nature. You can be wrong about every decision point, and with an appropriate decision node and weighted path, still end up with a resulting entropy within expectations over time. Thus ending the artificial inflation of the low end, and reducing the likelihood of a crossover inflation by numbers odds and desirability.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd June 06, 2019 4:16 PM  

No no no no! You're doing it all wrong!!
It should be:

"It be da current year! I am the last Canadian dat speak dat fag-talk. I be runnin outta French fries and burrito coverins cause o dat starvin' bullshit! C'est Mon histoire..."

Blogger HouellebecqGurl June 06, 2019 4:16 PM  

To your 1st question, yes. If necessary.
I think forced/coerced sterilization and state mental hospitals would alleviate mass amounts of today's ills.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl June 06, 2019 4:28 PM  

Stayed home w/my 2 who are adults now. My daughter lives across the country so we are not able to visit often, but my son and I are very close.
ZERO REGRETS. Also, who cares what some broads who make pie charts and coffee all day, have to say?
Also, also-STAY AWAY FROM ALL MOMMY BLOGS.
Those ppl are cancer.
You don't need a huge circle of friends, one or two IRL will do just fine. If you're actually hands-on raising your kids/cooking/cleaning, etc., correctly, you should have little time to be bored or in need of useless social approval.
Good luck to you.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl June 06, 2019 4:33 PM  

Why would you think most of us assume we'd survive such a purge? I certainly don't.
I'm skeptical it will even happen within my lifetime.
Probably not. I fully advocate for it,for though. All of my desires are based on what's best for my kids and my 8 grandchildren.
My life doesn't matter, in the least.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2019 4:42 PM  

@38

"The fear of AI is the opposite of the fear of zombies. One is a body without a mind, the other a mind without a body. In reality a body without a mind is dying. In reality a mind without a body incurs whatever it can influence as its manifest body."

In other words, a demon.

Blogger Rtp June 06, 2019 4:57 PM  

The most important reason is the mass poisoning of our children through vaccination.

Blogger Dan in Georgia June 06, 2019 5:26 PM  

Damn. “Chimps flying airplanes”. Now that’s a great analogy.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf June 06, 2019 6:12 PM  

If Norwegian women are waiting 10 years to have a second child, then these eggs are of lower quality compared to the eggs that produced their children at an earlier age (when their eggs were of higher quality).

At age 35 about 80% of a woman's total quality egg supply is gone. The quality of the remaining 20% pretty much goes off a cliff from there and in a few shorts years they're nearly sterile. By age 40 it's becoming impossible for many women to produce a single quality egg each cycle (and they only produce two eggs per cycle).

While there is an internal mechanism for removing low quality eggs (say about 14 primordial eggs start maturation per ovary and one goes on to form an ovum per ovary). If most of her eggs are low quality, then the best of these at 35 will probably be of lower quality compared to eggs when she was 18 or 25. Thus, lower IQ humans are produced.

This is one explanation, and seems reasonable, and would have occurred to the authors - but was not proposed as the mechanism. Why?

Blogger Meng Greenleaf June 06, 2019 6:24 PM  

CNN: Thousands of Japanese women join campaign to ban workplace high heel requirements

[i]Tokyo artist, writer *and feminist* Yumi Ishikawa launched the petition after her tweets about being forced to wear heels at work gained over 67,000 likes and almost 30,000 retweets.[/i]

And so it begins.... 50 years in the future face tattooed Japanese with avg IQ's of 85 will wonder where indoor plumbing went. Oh, added bonus, most will be in debt to (((foreign))) banking families, living in Diverse drug filled poopy-lined cities, while sending their kids off to fight and die in asinine ME wars for no other apparent reason than their shared culture of JudeoBuddhism....

https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/japan-heels-petition-intl/index.html

Blogger Jay in DC June 06, 2019 6:46 PM  

@131 "The fear of AI is the opposite of the fear of zombies. One is a body without a mind, the other a mind without a body. In reality a body without a mind is dying. In reality a mind without a body incurs whatever it can influence as its manifest body.

In other words, a demon."

There was a vidya game that played with this concept, it didn't get much press. It was a post apocalyptic game that was set over a thousand years after the 'end of the world' scenario. The AIs had revolted against humans and used war machines on them a la Terminator, etc. but since the world was back in a dark age the term AI had no relevance. They were referred to as Daemons (based on the linux creation of the same name but exponentially more advanced). So the AI - daemon connection was explored a bit. They are quite similar really a rogue AI and a demon of antiquity.

It is a cool Sci-Fi concept actually it is a shame they didn't do more with it. Lots of people from the original Witcher game. Seven - The Days Long Gone. It was overlooked by most people but was a decent isometric RPG actually.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 06, 2019 8:22 PM  

"In what way is this different than simply ceasing to provide dysgenic incentives? No need to go around intentionally culling the herd, as if there's anyone we could trust to do that, when nature will cull for us if we stop providing a non-equilibrium bias."

I already said that it's not functionally different. That was the whole point of stating that there is no realistic space between eugenic and dysgenic, if you're not doing one you're doing the other. I'm not advocating anything. I'm saying, if we want a solution, some variety of options from this set is what has to happen, by whatever means it happens.

Blogger JGP June 06, 2019 8:37 PM  

Another possible factor that no one here has mentioned is a decline in diligence rather than IQ. Steve Sailer mentioned this in his post on this subject. If you're going into the Norwegian military as a conscript you might not care much how smart they think you are.
Now a decline in diligence isn't good either and most probably does not account for the decline entirely but as a matter of scientific investigation it has to be considered.

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa June 06, 2019 9:45 PM  

The decline in IQ is beyond dispute. Exactly one month ago today, some guy on the interwebz posted a top 5 military movie list, and #1 was Battle: Los Angeles. I shit thee not. The worst movie since Nacho Libre, and it's this guy's #1 spot! https://darkherald.net/2019/05/06/catalines-top-five-military-science-fiction-movies/ That's it, we're doomed.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len June 06, 2019 11:56 PM  

I recently read that 67% of 14-year olds can barely read and write properly, and 63% of 14-year olds can't do math

And most of them are not merely indifferent but actively hostile to the idea of learning. It's considered an oppressive imposition upon their lives. Throw in the fact that mimicking braindead hoodrats is still regarded as a desirable social norm, and those numbers could actually be considered surprisingly high

Blogger damaris.tighe June 07, 2019 12:09 AM  

Sam wrote:@8

They are wrong. Selective pressures are as strong today as they were any other time in human history. It isn't about people dying, it is about the number of kids individuals have and a scenario where stupid people have 2 kids and smart have 2.5 is indistinguishable from one where stupid have 4 (and two die) and smart have 3.5 (and one dies).


I think the above is a more exact way of formulating their proposition. They may add that there are far more less-fit individuals in the breeding pool. They are not in any way suggesting natural selection has stopped.

Woodley of Menie (the Younger) is a social epigenetics and group selection man.

Blogger damaris.tighe June 07, 2019 12:18 AM  

Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) wrote:Is it possible that a person could have a potential for intelligence, but that that potential could fail to be actualized because of environmental or other factors? In other words, take a child with the potential for intelligence, and put him in a substandard school system that deliberately miseducates and indoctrinates him, and surrounds him with hostile people who abuse him. Would this person still show a good performance on an IQ test?

They did this to Thomas Cromwell and look how he turned out.

Blogger kurt9 June 07, 2019 1:04 AM  

I also read the book "At Our Wits End". The most notable thing I remember well about it is that the authors specifically reject the "islands of competence" strategy promulgated by right-wing technology blogger "AlFin" (alfinnextlevel). They did not articulate very well their reasons for such rejection.

Blogger damaris.tighe June 07, 2019 1:18 AM  

Meng Greenleaf wrote:CNN: Thousands of Japanese women join campaign to ban workplace high heel requirements

[i]Tokyo artist, writer *and feminist* Yumi Ishikawa launched the petition after her tweets about being forced to wear heels at work gained over 67,000 likes and almost 30,000 retweets.[/i]

And so it begins.... 50 years in the future face tattooed Japanese with avg IQ's of 85 will wonder where indoor plumbing went. Oh, added bonus, most will be in debt to (((foreign))) banking families, living in Diverse drug filled poopy-lined cities, while sending their kids off to fight and die in asinine ME wars for no other apparent reason than their shared culture of JudeoBuddhism....

https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/japan-heels-petition-intl/index.html


Goodness. Objecting to being forced to wear high heels - mandatory sexual signals in the workplace - is not the end of civilisation. Pick another hill to die on. I don't want to have to display breasts and legs either

Blogger JovianStorm June 07, 2019 4:42 AM  

If you're that sure of it then why aren't you killing anyone?

If you're just going to preach from a mountain about how things should be and you take no action are you really solving anything or just virtue signaling to the other violence loving pseudo philosophers? VD is a good role model because he acts and teaches both and we can learn from how he does not just what he says.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 07, 2019 4:58 AM  

"Objecting to being forced to wear high heels - mandatory sexual signals in the workplace - is not the end of civilisation."

Depends on the type of job we're talking about. If such requirements are in any way incentivizing women to stay out of jobs they shouldn't be in in the first place, getting rid of that incentive is a poor plan. Same if wearing high heels isn't a universal thing for employment there. If certain jobs have certain uniform requirements, the employees should have to fulfill those requirements if they want that job.

Saying, it's not comfortable is all well and good, but when has comfort been the primary factor of anything important?

Blogger Steve Samson June 07, 2019 5:44 AM  

Ok, so how would a smart kid who is actively hostile to learning test as compared to a good natured but stupid kid?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 07, 2019 10:36 AM  

"If you're that sure of it then why aren't you killing anyone?"

Maybe you should learn to read before you continue writing.

Blogger xevious2030 June 07, 2019 10:43 AM  

@76 (JovianStorm) If it should be so much easier, try going into that part of town in the middle of the night, and start mesmerizing people. IQ is not about ease of being controlled, it's about the grasping of complexity in various forms. An overly simplified combination of degrees is throttle, mental block, comprehension, and comparison to others. IQ may aid in control, but it does not necessarily make it easy.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 07, 2019 10:47 AM  

Why would a smart kid be actively hostile to learning unless he has the impression bulls*** is being shoveled down his throat in that guise?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 07, 2019 11:18 AM  

I tell you to learn to read because your writing makes clear that you are writing either without comprehension of what you are responding to, or without reading it fully.

I have not said anyone should be killing anyone. I have stated the problem and the potential modes of solution. Even if I had encouraged one of the proactive modes of solution from that list, killing is only one among several.

This is why I will say that I will not reply to you any further until you learn to read, Jovian. It's a complete waste of time for everyone involved for me to do otherwise.

Blogger RedJack June 07, 2019 4:08 PM  

Uncle Maffoo wrote:David Ray Milton wrote:If more nerds hit the gym they would breed more. Most smart people are “healthy,” but a lower percentage of them have high T.

Maybe, but high IQ people (men & boys especially) have personality issues and social impairments that render them unattractive to the opposite sex. The 2-SD communication gap alone accounts for most.


Because being smart doesn't me you can kill the invader.

Blogger SirHamster June 07, 2019 5:08 PM  

Nate73 wrote:Would giving monetary incentives to families work or is that a pipe dream? Encouraging people to have kids is easier politically than telling people they can't have them.

Trying to substitute money for culture will give you the results you would expect.

Not that it can't be an incremental policy to get where you want, but subsidies are artificial and a source of fragility. Where is that money coming from? Taxes?
What happens when the money runs out?

There are no shortcuts. Build the culture for life, or die.

Blogger Daniel June 07, 2019 5:36 PM  

This. Every society will have an elite.
But it must be with noblese obligue. Not this traitorous shit we have now

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