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Thursday, June 20, 2019

What happens when it's a carrier?

Iran shoots down a US drone:
The US have confirmed that Iran has shot down one of its $180million spy drones, but refutes the Revolutionary Guard's claims it was in Iranian airspace.

Iranian commander Hossein Salami declared his men were 'ready for war,' as the downing of the aircraft over its 'red lines' sent 'a clear message' to the Americans.

Tehran alleged an RQ-4 Global Hawk was shot down over their southern coastal city of Hormozgan, but a U.S. official said it had been a Navy MQ-4C Triton in international airspace.

A highly sophisticated missile will have been deployed, of deep concern to Washington not only for Tehran's patently advanced arsenal, but the secrets they could steal in examining the stricken drone.

The MQ-4C soars to over 50,000ft, can be operated from 9,400 miles away and is loaded with optical/infrared sensors - it is believed to be the first time one has been taken out.

It comes amid heightened tensions between Tehran and Washington over U.S. economic sanctions and alleged Iranian attacks on shipping in the Straits of Hormuz.
It's not quite so fun playing gunboat diplomacy when the enemy has the ability to sink your gunboats. The fact that a Triton has not been shot down before tends to indicate that Iran's military capabilities are better than expected, which should give the Trump administration serious pause about listening to the neoclowns and their incessant demands for what very well could turn out to be the US empire's Sicilian Expedition.

One should be hesitant to take either side at their word, however, since there were no Tritons officially deployed to the region and there is some belief that it was actually a RQ-4N BAMS-D drone, which are Global Hawks converted to experimental Tritons. This may explain the apparent contradiction in reports.

Now, remember, the neoclowns want us to believe that Iran can shoot down a new-model drone, which reportedly has never been done before, but nevertheless wasn't able to sink a civilian ship in six separate attempts.

UPDATE: Iran has released what it claims are the precise coordinates of the shoot-down:

At 00:14 US drone took off from UAE in stealth mode & violated Iranian airspace. It was targeted at 04:05 at the coordinates (25°59'43"N 57°02'25"E) near Kouh-e Mobarak. We've retrieved sections of the US military drone in OUR territorial waters where it was shot down.

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54 Comments:

Blogger Lovekraft June 20, 2019 6:05 AM  

You would think there'd be a way to fry all the circuit boards and other key tech as soon as the equipment sustained damage.

But Iran is part of the beast that needs regular sustenance, that being sorrow and pain on the kaffir and others. It is important to think of it in this way, rather than reacting to yet another in a seemingly-endless chain of atrocities. Stepping back, one sees Islam as nothing more than an unthinking entity, administering hatred to satisfy its bottomless desire.

Blogger Steb June 20, 2019 6:24 AM  

"What happens when it's a carrier?"

They'll do a reverse Trudeau: "when your enemy destroys your carrier, you win."

Blogger Brett baker June 20, 2019 6:31 AM  

"We have to go to war now! They sank a ship!"
That said, a carrier group has the ability to defend itself, unlike a recon UAV.

Blogger Kraemer June 20, 2019 6:36 AM  

Most radar tech cant spot drones cos they're tiny and they fly very high up. Yet the mullahs can. US would not win that war.

Blogger McChuck June 20, 2019 6:46 AM  

Let's do the math. The Straits are 21 nm wide. That puts the border at 11 nm (limit for territorial waters is 12 nm). For the drone to land on Iranian soil from international (or at least UAE) airspace, it would have to glide that 11 (or 12) nm after sustaining severe damage, in the proper direction.

One nm is 6,076 feet. 11 nm would be 66,836 feet. The drone has a listed ceiling of 60,000 feet. So it would have to glide at better than a 1:1 ratio. In the proper direction, of course, for the Iranians to get their hands on it.

If it wasn't over their territory when it was shot down, of course.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 20, 2019 7:14 AM  

The satellite band communications give it away. Not that hard to come up with something than homes in on what is basically a flying radio station.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 20, 2019 7:14 AM  

" Stepping back, one sees Islam as nothing more than an unthinking entity, administering hatred to satisfy its bottomless desire."

All humans in sin are the same in that regard.

Blogger Rick June 20, 2019 7:20 AM  

Maybe it wasn’t shot down as much as sacrificed.

Blogger anorganicbear June 20, 2019 7:20 AM  

Let's be realistic, we're only about a decade away from the crew sinking their own carriers anyway.

Blogger MichaelJMaier June 20, 2019 7:34 AM  

anorganicbear wrote:Let's be realistic, we're only about a decade away from the crew sinking their own carriers anyway.

You're far too optimistic.

Blogger English Tom June 20, 2019 7:36 AM  

One sees Islam as...administering hatred to satisfy its bottomless desires.

I think you are confusing Muslims with jews lad. Just sayin.

Blogger Gregory the Great June 20, 2019 7:43 AM  

This will happen after the female crews discovers that most wars are inherently racist.

Blogger Johnny June 20, 2019 7:49 AM  

" Stepping back, one sees Islam as nothing more than an unthinking entity, administering hatred to satisfy its bottomless desire."

My take on Islam is that it is inherently a warrior cult in that the situation it most easily supports is one where there are competing tribal groups that are eternally at war with each other. That is the situation where the rules are sensible.

I am in favor of containing Islam in the same way we worked to contain Communism following WWII. And when it can’t be contained, extermination by whatever means necessary.

Blogger VD June 20, 2019 7:52 AM  

I am in favor of containing Islam in the same way we worked to contain Communism following WWII.

No one asked you, Johnny.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 20, 2019 7:53 AM  

Last time the Iranians supposedly hacked one and landed it, now they whacked one, hmmm. While the goobers in the comments section are replaying shock and awe 2003 my guess is that the Iranians have help and this amounts to is a weapons test. Much in the same vein that the Abrams was rumored to have been taken out by a new RPG in 2003 supposedly a RPG 29 or something. Next thing you know the sneaky Iranians will be messing with the GPS signals and our brave freedom givers in the military will be navigating in circles.

Blogger xevious2030 June 20, 2019 7:55 AM  

Well, there's the obvious, Iran is the new Afganiraq. One big Afganiraq. From, well, Afghanistan, all the way to Iraq. And if people did not balk enough to prevent that prospect, an excuse to debt fund even more defense equipment construction. Construction to take on the Russians, oh wait, Russian equipment, as the push for a new cold war begins. Wait for it. With Eurasia and Eastasia. Except that no one is still on script for that scenerio.

Blogger Thad Tuiol June 20, 2019 7:56 AM  

Y'all thought Iran was going to be Iraq 2.0 didn't ya? Just like those hammerhead twonks back in 1964 who thought the flexing of US military muscle would cause the North Vietnamese to crap their pants and sue for peace. Didn't quite workout that way though did it? And it won't be a stroll in the kasbah this time either. Better get your excuses ready for deferring those draft call ups!

Blogger Avalanche June 20, 2019 8:11 AM  

@15 "Next thing you know the sneaky Iranians will be messing with the GPS signals and our brave freedom givers in the military will be navigating in circles."

You mean instead of into cargo ships and the shore, right?

Just checking to make sure we're on the same ... er ...observing platform.

Blogger Charles Martel June 20, 2019 8:27 AM  

That drone wasn't flying over Iran...
... Just like that U-2 wasn't over Russia :)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 20, 2019 8:27 AM  

That was my smart alek way of saying the Iranians doubtfully can do much with their monkey model Russian weapons unless the Russians add the secret sauce tech they hold the keys. Then my next stab is I think that the usual shock and awe depends on GPS signals to navigate and target, take that away and its London and the V-2 targeting trick all over again.

All in all I think the Russians are baiting the trap, and at the least it adds a Gulf War premium to oil prices.

Blogger tuberman June 20, 2019 8:41 AM  

This is all theater, Neocons being played. No war with NK, Venezuela, or Iran. Iran's people will get control, not outside forces. Even the Mullahs do not want war.

Duh!

Blogger Pierre June 20, 2019 9:03 AM  

I like how the US "refutes" without proving anything. (and it was edited out from the article)

Blogger tuberman June 20, 2019 9:09 AM  

"All in all I think the Russians are baiting the trap, and at the least it adds a Gulf War premium to oil prices."

Ha! Yeah sure, the Ruskies want a War, which would allow the Banksters who hate Russia to have an excuse to seize more control. The parasite bankers need an Event/War to get back control now, and it's not going to happen. Putin knows this.

Blogger English Tom June 20, 2019 10:15 AM  

@Tuberman

It is the jews who want war. And given they control the West, war is what they will get.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 20, 2019 10:22 AM  

If Jews had the level of control they'd like us to believe, we'd already be fighting new hot wars in Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, and probably some other fronts with Russia.

They might find a way to trigger one with a big enough false flag. But if you think they can just give the order to go to war, you haven't been paying attention.

Blogger anorganicbear June 20, 2019 10:27 AM  

@24: The Saudis also have a vested interest in remove Iran.

Blogger Longtime Lurker June 20, 2019 10:37 AM  

If the Iranians have recovered the drone's wreckage, which is likely if they shot it down over the Hormozgan province, then they will most likely display it to embarrass the Trump Administration.

Shades of Gary Powers and Ike . . .

Blogger Jeroth June 20, 2019 10:39 AM  

Sounds to me more like Bolton was dangling a drone just above their head hoping they'd swat it like a playful cat.

Blogger drsmith_48170 June 20, 2019 10:42 AM  

I think this 'so called" incident means the US is really thinking strongly about doing something against Iran. It has always been US military doctrine (since World War I) to gather intelligence and probe defenses of the target before committing.

If they were really just doing surveillance, there are other drones they could have used. Instead, they used an older version of one the biggest and high flying they have - in fact, in size it is compatible to a 737. Mimics a bomber nicely, doesn't it.

In fact, this exercise was likely deliberately planned to root out the exact nature and capability of the Iranian air defenses, so you can plan an attack around it...and they took the bait by tipping their hand at showing us their best stuff. The Iranians should have had more discipline and not tip off the best of what they have.

All the recent signs point to something is up, from the laughably false flag exercises targeting oil tankers in the gulf to now this and god known what else that has not been made public yet. Could be a real attack is being planned, or we want Iran to think we are planning to attack to 'scare' them straight.

Blogger Longtime Lurker June 20, 2019 10:54 AM  

@28: Unlikely. CENTCOM and the CIA have been operating drones over and near Iran for many years. Which gives the Iranians occasional opportunities to demonstrate resourcefulness: https://infogalactic.com/info/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 20, 2019 10:56 AM  

I just hope the anti-war sentiment in the US can hold strong. The public was very strongly opposed to the US getting involved in WW2, but FDR desperately wanted us to get involved.
Frankly, I could not care less what the Iranians do. We have been screwing with these people on Israel's behalf for decades. It is time to pack up and go home. They can't mess with us if we are not there.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia June 20, 2019 11:04 AM  

VD wrote:

Now, remember, the neoclowns want us to believe that Iran can shoot down a new-model drone, which reportedly has never been done before, but nevertheless wasn't able to sink a civilian ship in six separate attempts.

Perhaps the IRG has sufficient cognitive capacity to aim a Russian S-300 missile, while it's a struggle to build a limpet mine that actually works.

I wonder if this was the same drone that took pics of the mine being removed from the tanker?


Blogger Jake June 20, 2019 11:09 AM  

The war right now is still mainly an information war. Be wary of taking any "news reports" at face value. Was the drone over Iranian territory or air-space? Maybe. Was it really the type of drone reported? Maybe. But frankly, something is afoot here. Someone wants a war badly, and I don't think it is Iran. I don't think it is Trump.
The big question is: does Trump have the political capital and smarts to avoid a war with Iran? Will the Deep State force him to initiate some sort of retaliation? Will the retaliation spark a real, large war?
I think that Trump may initiate some sort of symbolic retaliation, like after the fake gas attacks in Syria a year or so ago, and that Iran will be smart enough, or coached, to sort of ignore the pinprick cruise missile strikes.
But I'm just guessing. Who knows.

Blogger English Tom June 20, 2019 11:21 AM  

@Damelon Brinn

Jews have controlled America's finances since 1913. They got away with smashing the USS Liberty because they control the US.
They got away with 9/11 because they control the West. They got away with the invasion of Iraq because they control the US.

Soon the US/West will be at war with Iran, guess why?

BTW, a book called: Open Secrets Israel's foreign and nuclear policy by Israel Shahak, published in 1995 states that Israel has 2 options dealing with Iran. 1. Israel will do it alone. 2. The West would be 'persuaded to deal with Iran.

I'm betting on 2, because the jews will fight to the last goy. It will happen because they control the West. Take it to the bank.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 20, 2019 11:55 AM  

drsmith_48170 wrote:The Iranians should have had more discipline and not tip off the best of what they have.

Do we know for sure they tipped off their best? It's the best we've seen, perhaps. That doesn't ensure it's the best they have.

We might have suckered them into foolishly tipping their hand. They might have suckered us into foolishly believing they have tipped their hand.

Remember that these are Persians, not Arabs.

Blogger Jay in DC June 20, 2019 11:58 AM  

@32 - Thank you! You stole my entire post. That is the basic jist of the situation I'm guessing.

It is not a secret that Iran has the S-300 platform which a mid-wit with training can operate as we just saw with this incident.

It SHOULD, not will, but should be a wake up call that a 50,000ft operational altitude and a higher ceiling than that will not keep you safe from the S300 / S400 platforms.

But this is 'Merika, FUCK YEAH! we are talking about so caution and wake up calls went out the window a long time ago. The Neo-Palestinians -really- want this war because they haven't had a more pliable and friendly puppet in the white house in a long long time.

The thing with Trump is, he is only as good as his advisers. He is willing to make bold moves, but also wrong moves. Partly his own fault for putting so many neo-cons around him but either way, between that and Jarvanka, this isn't going to go away.

I say once again, I hope that the Iranians backed by Russians either covertly or overtly put some shock & awe of their own back on the US by sending a carrier group to the bottom of the Persian Gulf. It is disgusting what a caricature of the 'good noble superpower' this country has become

Nor is it surprising. When you have stage IV cancer within your borders and moral rot to the core, how could you expect anything else from your external policy?

Blogger tuberman June 20, 2019 12:01 PM  

English Tom wrote:@Tuberman

It is the jews who want war. And given they control the West, war is what they will get.


We'll have to agree to disagree ... somewhat.

It is the Trotsky Jews who want war, and they do not have full control or even close. So, there will be none of these Neocon Wars this time around. Check back in 3-4 months, no war will happen. Perhaps some isolated attacks on out-of-the-way places in Iran. Trotsky/Neocon paid for strongholds.

A number of C_A operatives were arrested in Iran recently. How did they get there? What were they doing? DS ops people? Neocons? They were not POTUS guys, but THEY wanted War.

Blogger Akulkis June 20, 2019 12:16 PM  

anything with a radar cross section of a pigeon can be detected by radar from 30 years ago. now even civilians have radar that can get a fix on a raindrop. that's how your Doppler radar as seen in the evening news on TV works.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 20, 2019 1:46 PM  

FTR the senate voted last night to suspend arms sales to our glorious ally Saudi Arabia, I'm sure this is all a big coincidence.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 20, 2019 2:10 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:FTR the senate voted last night to suspend arms sales to our glorious ally Saudi Arabia, I'm sure this is all a big coincidence.

Saudi is one of the ``allies'' that really, Really, REALLY want us to damage Iran. That doesn't sound as if the Senate is pushing hard for war.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 20, 2019 2:10 PM  

Jay in DC wrote:I say once again, I hope that the Iranians backed by Russians either covertly or overtly put some shock & awe of their own back on the US by sending a carrier group to the bottom of the Persian Gulf. It is disgusting what a caricature of the 'good noble superpower' this country has become

So murder a bunch of white Americans who are on those ships must die to get back at the Jews? The vast majority of the boys who will be killed are white. I don't want our boys dying for Israel in their wars or to make a point or whatever it is.

Blogger ChicagoFire June 20, 2019 3:15 PM  

I used to post in Roosh's forum until his turn to Christianity. Here's a couple quotes:

"The MSM is painting it as someone just flying around admiring the sights they see. It is a military drone you fuckheads, it is a legitimate target.

Ask any American if their neighbour flying a drone over their property is grounds for shooting it down and you'll have your answer."

"Sounds like Tucker Carlson might be saving the day. Tucker Carlson might be the best American to live in generations."
^^Tucker is advising against American intervention.

I'm stumped whether or not President Trump will go to war with Iran and when. I'm iffy on the President but going to war would seal the deal for me and get me hopping off the Trump Train. I don't follow this site thoroughly but closest thing I can find to Vox's opinion is this:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/gamechangers.html

Tl;dr Massive mistake for America to go into another pointless war and Russia may very well be able to score decisive victories against the US with advanced missile technology.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 20, 2019 3:28 PM  

ChicagoFire wrote:I'm stumped whether or not President Trump will go to war with Iran and when.

Trump has his little flaws, but he hasn't gotten us into another war yet. He might not ever.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 20, 2019 3:30 PM  

Soon the US/West will be at war with Iran, guess why?

My "Wars Started/Expanded Under Trump" whiteboard still has a big 0 drawn on it, and he's currently downplaying this drone thing.

Again, I'm not downplaying the outsized influence the Jews have, or their desire to drag us into war. They may yet find a way to succeed in that. But the "hur hur President Kushner" types who want us to think the Jews are all-powerful have to explain the past 2.4 years of not-war if they expect me to take their predictions about tomorrow seriously.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 20, 2019 3:50 PM  

English Tom wrote:published in 1995 states that Israel has 2 options dealing with Iran.
That makes 24 years and counting. Even the Bush administration refused to attack Iran for them.

Twenty
Four
Years

I think you overestimate their control of the US government.

Blogger Doug Cranmer June 20, 2019 4:41 PM  

That's interesting. NSA Child Crimes tweeted earlier today:

Saudi Arabia needs to back off of Yemen before they make Iran look like a foot note ...

They don't usually pay attention to this stuff. It's most about trafficking.

Blogger English Tom June 20, 2019 6:08 PM  

@Snidely

They took Iraq out as the first stage of the Kurdistan project. Unfortunately the US got mired in an insurgency. If they did not, I think Bush would have attacked Iran. Fortunately for Iran the US was overextended.
And let's not forget general Wesley Clarke's 7 countries in 5 years statement.

Blogger Centurion Revolt June 20, 2019 7:19 PM  

The Iranian mullahs and World Jewry and two sides of the same coin.

Blogger Unknown June 20, 2019 11:15 PM  

This shouldn't take anyone by surprise. The Jews, Bolton, Pompeo have ALL been saying for years that Iran would be the target of a United States fought war. And to now pretend like this conflict has been arising "organically" at the fault of the Iranians is LAUGHABLE.

Trump's gotta get his staff in order, because this will be the deal breaker for him. Perhaps that's a caveat for the Deep-state. They know Trump stands no chance for reelection if there's a war going on with Iran. It basically ensures that a Democrat can strut right into the Oval office in 2020.

Blogger Paul M June 21, 2019 2:33 AM  

> A highly sophisticated missile will have been deployed, of deep concern to Washington not only for Tehran's patently advanced arsenal, but the secrets they could steal in examining the stricken drone.

How could Iran seize this drone if - as the US claims - it was shot down over international waters?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 21, 2019 1:20 PM  

Paul M wrote:How could Iran seize this drone if - as the US claims - it was shot down over international waters?
Drones have an enormous glide ratio, due to the enormous wing area/weight. This is what gives them maximum Time On Target. Even a commercial airliner 8 miles offshore at 50K feet could (maybe) make it to the beach. A drone with a glide ratio of 30:1 or 50:1 could make it 30 or 40 miles inland.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 22, 2019 12:05 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Drones have an enormous glide ratio, due to the enormous wing area/weight.

Once the drone was crippled and gliding, why would the operator or the automatics choose to glide deeper into hostile territory?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 22, 2019 1:52 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Once the drone was crippled and gliding, why would the operator or the automatics choose to glide deeper into hostile territory?
There is no reason to suppose that either was functional. Also, see VD's update, "pieces" were retrieved from the Gulf.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 22, 2019 11:48 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:There is no reason to suppose that either was functional. Also, see VD's update, "pieces" were retrieved from the Gulf.

So, it crashed. If there was any gliding, it was probably gliding away from from Iran, and surely wouldn't deliberately glide toward it.

The important bit is that if they picked up bits in Iranian waters, the drone was that deep or deeper in Iranian territory when they shot it.

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