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Sunday, June 09, 2019

X-Men meltdown

The SJW implosion continues apace:
X-Men: Dark Phoenix is on track to have the worst opening in the history of the franchise.

The movie collected just $14 million on Friday, making it the lowest debut ever for an X-Men movie, reports Variety on Saturday.

The Simon Kinberg-directed Phoenix, which cost $200 million to make, was initially projected to gross $50–60 million with the studio expecting a $40–50 million debut.
The vacuum just keeps expanding. And the high regard for the comic arc from which it was derived only underlines how badly the filmmakers screwed it up.

The Dark Phoenix Saga is not only one of the greatest X-Men tales, but it is also a frequent nominee for the best comic book storyline of all-time.

Yeah, so, about that....

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64 Comments:

Blogger James Dixon June 09, 2019 6:50 AM  

> The Dark Phoenix Saga is not only one of the greatest X-Men tales...

They're not exaggerating, it really is. It was probably Chris Claremont's best work, and the artwork was by John Byrne at his peak.

Blogger Dan in Georgia June 09, 2019 7:08 AM  

This may explain a lot. It’s about Star Wars but may involve some of the same people.
https://youtu.be/XmJ-hZbg79M

Blogger Miguel June 09, 2019 7:31 AM  

You are very much grinning as you read these news, right VD?

Blogger SciVo June 09, 2019 7:36 AM  

Incidentally, I can't remember where now, but I recently saw a casual reference to "convergence", in the context of an organization failing at its core function because of SJWs. No explanation given. So at least on the right, even if it was intended as dialectic rather than rhetoric, the meaning is filtering out.

Blogger Weouro June 09, 2019 7:45 AM  

This is first time I've ever heard of this movie. Maybe they have sjws in the marketing dept too.

Blogger Jed June 09, 2019 7:47 AM  

Reminder that Kinberg is a friend of Singer and has been covering for him over the course of investigations. He is also a donor for Dems, and even hosted a fundraiser for Cory Booker.

https://www.indiewire.com/2014/05/bryan-singer-plot-thickens-as-new-lawsuit-alleges-even-deeper-history-of-sexual-abuse-updated-192342/

Blogger SmockMan June 09, 2019 8:06 AM  

Yep, it is a very good story. You can read it now for free if you have amazon prime.

Since we live in the upside down, it seems they want to invert the story from the dangers of power corrupting a women (she is almost getting off by using powers), to the strong independent X-WAHMEN.

Blogger Steb June 09, 2019 8:08 AM  

This movie looks like it's about a pointless argument at a spin class. Am I supposed to care who wins? And why is it a big deal that dark phoenix has super powers? They all have. What the hell are they fighting about?

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 09, 2019 8:16 AM  

The Dark Phoenix Saga is not only one of the greatest X-Men tales...

They're not exaggerating, it really is. It was probably Chris Claremont's best work, and the artwork was by John Byrne at his peak.


And they already did it less than 13 years ago.

With a better cast I might add.

Rebecca Romijn and Famke Janssen were drastically better in their roles than Jennifer Lawrence and Sophie Turner.

Turner is basically a Little-Wounded-Bird and that's the extent of her range. Maybe she can grow beyond Sansa with time but she hasn't yet.

Lawrence on the other hand has turned herself into box-office poison. It's rare that you see anyone burn through that much goodwill that fast. But she did it.

The X-Men First Class films have all been drastically inferior works and I take heart from the fact that the Marvel Movie Going Zombies finally noticed that they suck. I didn't think that would ever happen.

Blogger James Dixon June 09, 2019 8:20 AM  

> And why is it a big deal that dark phoenix has super powers?

The powers of the Phoenix are in another class. Think Thanos or Galactus level. Of the classical Marvel entities, probably only Eternity would have a clear advantage.

Blogger basementhomebrewer June 09, 2019 8:22 AM  

This is first time I've ever heard of this movie. Maybe they have sjws in the marketing dept too.

I thought the same thing yesterday when I saw articles about it. They did next to no advertising for this movie. They hyped the phoneix story line on the Saturday morning cartoon in the 90's more than they hyped this movie.

Blogger thalios June 09, 2019 8:36 AM  

It's a crappy rainy day here in Georgia. I thought I may be lazy today and watch the original X-men, but I can never ignore the fact the director very likely diddled kids.

Blogger Salt June 09, 2019 8:46 AM  

Gross receipts keep falling yet they continue into SJWism. Guess the love of money isn't the root of all evil.

Blogger Lovekraft June 09, 2019 8:48 AM  

The Streisand Effect is beginning to ask what is so inherently beneficial and superior to having wahmen run things (in alliance with islam and BLM enforces, of course)?

I've seen numerous movies in the past few years approach the 'feminist utopia just around the corner' trope (Mad Max Fury Road, Thor: Ragnarok etc) and laugh at how cowardly SJWHollywood is in truly going down that rabbit hole. The answer is feminism can NOT establish and sustain a functioning society where foreign swarths act as maintenance and builders.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 09, 2019 8:50 AM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:This is first time I've ever heard of this movie. Maybe they have sjws in the marketing dept too.

I thought the same thing yesterday when I saw articles about it. They did next to no advertising for this movie. They hyped the phoneix story line on the Saturday morning cartoon in the 90's more than they hyped this movie.


Which tells you plain as day that Feige is planning to ditch the whole crew and recast.

It's his show now.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums June 09, 2019 8:51 AM  

I only heard about this movie because I was spammed by people with clips mocking their SJW agenda. Keep it up, guys.

Blogger tuberman June 09, 2019 8:59 AM  

Arkhaven started up at the perfect time. Wonderful!

Blogger SciVo June 09, 2019 9:03 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Lawrence on the other hand has turned herself into box-office poison. It's rare that you see anyone burn through that much goodwill that fast. But she did it.

I've also never seen a pothead turn so angry and bitter so fast. I suspect a combination of cocaine and sexual abuse, just because what else could do that?

Blogger marco moltisanti June 09, 2019 9:07 AM  

@9 "And they already did it less than 13 years ago.

With a better cast I might add."

That's what I was thinking. I only briefly saw some advertising for this film, but aren't the actors entirely different from the actors in the original X-Men films? That could be a big reason why it's underperforming.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 09, 2019 9:17 AM  

Mmm Famke

Blogger James Dixon June 09, 2019 9:19 AM  

> That could be a big reason why it's underperforming.

That plus the release was way too close to Avengers: Endgame. They should have aimed for a Christmas release and promoted it properly.

Blogger binks webelf June 09, 2019 9:20 AM  

Ex-Men.. the woke trail to hell and lame virtue-signalling combine to kill another franchise. As vlogger Dark Phoenix points out, the series could have stopped with Logan, as a good bookend, and a decent movie. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjkm9_4oq1k ]

Worse, they are rebooting X-men: The Animated Series, with a promise/ threat to brutally woke it to death. This Alonzo woman is going to break all the things, because ideology, and intersectionality, and hubristic wrecking. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw5j2Q50MTE ]

SJW Menu Offerings

SJW Waitperson: "How much poop would you like in your soup?"
Customer: "I'd like no poop whatsoever in my soup, please & thank-you."
SJW waitperson: "That's not an option."
Customer: "Then I'll be leaving. Good day."

Alternative media & culture, led by Vox's new poop-free restaurant menu, wins all the customers.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 09, 2019 9:44 AM  

James Dixon wrote:That plus the release was way too close to Avengers: Endgame. They should have aimed for a Christmas release and promoted it properly.

This was it's 3rd release date. It was originally supposed to have been released in Fall 2018, then February 2019.

Supposedly it has been put before test audiences, as early as Spring 2018, who hated it. There was at least one round of reshoots.
This was Fox's last X Man movie, they weren't going to spend very much promoting it since the property now belongs to Disney.

Blogger DaveofSpades June 09, 2019 9:48 AM  

The reboot X-series movies have been all about the women. Even Xavier & Magneto have only played supporting roles. It's so bad, there's even a line about it in DP: "I don't know if you've noticed, but the women on the team keep saving the boys' butts. Maybe it shouldn't be called X men but X WOMEN!" - Mystique

And there you have both the mindset behind the movies & the reason they have failed so dramatically summed up.

Blogger InformationMerchant June 09, 2019 9:50 AM  

Agree with @9 about the better cast, they also had an additional movie to set it up. There was one thing that didn't change though: (((Simon Kinberg))) wrote the Last Stand and wrote Dark Phoenix, he also directed Dark Phoenix.

It's pretty crazy that there have been 12 X-Men movies and they couldn't come close to doing what MCU did. Age of Ultron is MCU movie #11, Captain America: Civil War is MCU movie #13. X-Men have had about 7 movies with a whole team, yet their grand finale before Disney reboots everything to get them in MCU wasn't even close to Infinty War/Endgame and the MCU only needed a whole team in 4-5 movies to do that.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl June 09, 2019 9:55 AM  

Correction-It's a wonderful rainy day here in Ga.
Temp is in the 70s, in the 2nd week of June.

Blogger S1AL June 09, 2019 9:59 AM  

"The X-Men First Class films have all been drastically inferior works and I take heart from the fact that the Marvel Movie Going Zombies finally noticed that they suck. I didn't think that would ever happen."

It's an unfortunate waste of Fassbender, too. They have the acting talent but the scripts have just been atrocious.

Blogger dienw June 09, 2019 10:03 AM  

Just finished watching Darkstream 404: excellent commentary.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 09, 2019 10:08 AM  

A friend of mine who works in the RPG industry and thus considered himself required to see it reviewed it thusly:

"Imagine sticking your head in a doorjamb and slamming the door on your own head. It's your own head so there's some reflexive reluctance. You don't hurt yourself as much as you possibly could have. But you don't stop. You never hit yourself hard enough to blessedly lose consciousness."

Blogger dienw June 09, 2019 10:09 AM  

thalios wrote:It's a crappy rainy day here in Georgia.

Blogger Nostromo June 09, 2019 10:09 AM  

Rob, at comicsexplained bas a video up explaining why he wasn't going to see DP, and he claims to be one of the top X-philes in the world. The Phoenix force needs an arc of several movies, like they did with Thanos. Thanos, a guy that threatens the universe needed character development, so he was the driving force behind the searches for the infinity stones. And the only reason people didn't loose their minds when he "snapped" was because people knew it was a trilogy. People cry when they see Tony sacrifice himself. Imagine if they ended it with Thanos killing half the universe! That would have been epic.

Blogger sammibandit June 09, 2019 10:18 AM  

What did you all think of the Jean Grey arc about 15 years ago? It was too much exposition for me. I won't be seeing DP based on how Jean Grey was handled.

I believe there was an extended scene in LotR with Galadriel considering The Ring that did the whole "terrible women, terrible power" idea much better.

Blogger Constantin June 09, 2019 10:59 AM  

I completely forgot this movie existed. More than that, I completely forgot the X-men were ever a thing. Do people still care about them? No other superhero concept is more dated than the X-men.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim June 09, 2019 11:03 AM  

The frames where the entire sky is filled with the rising Phoenix and the one where she is basically crushing Colossus into a TK ball are forever etched into my memory. Byrne was a study in utilizing that medium for dramatic impact.

Blogger sammibandit June 09, 2019 11:22 AM  

I was a huge X-Men fan, still am. I liked the Cold War themes a lot since part of my family comes from behind the Iron Curtain. It was nice to have a series that dealt with that, rather than having a one-off episode. I probably sided too much with Magneto, though.

Blogger JAG June 09, 2019 11:30 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> And why is it a big deal that dark phoenix has super powers?

The powers of the Phoenix are in another class. Think Thanos or Galactus level. Of the classical Marvel entities, probably only Eternity would have a clear advantage.


The Living Tribunal, Death, Oblivion, and Infinity would also curb stomp Dark Phoenix.

She's also clearly below the Celestials.

In one comic, was handled easily by the Silver Surfer who reverted her back to plain human form. I think her power level has been greatly exaggerated by today's audience.

Blogger steb June 09, 2019 11:32 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> And why is it a big deal that dark phoenix has super powers?

The powers of the Phoenix are in another class. Think Thanos or Galactus level. Of the classical Marvel entities, probably only Eternity would have a clear advantage.


Another Night King. Add Thanos as well and I think people are probably getting bored with these kind of apocalyptic super power threats. Richard C Meyer often makes the point that it's ok to tell a story where the bad guy robs a bank or steals a TV, and the good guys are the ones who stop them.

My impression from the trailer was that you would need to know a lot about the X-Men to understand what was going on.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey June 09, 2019 11:38 AM  

Here's what the critic at The Independent had to say:

"[The film] doesn’t have anything very fresh to say about the trauma of adolescence as experienced by mutant superheroes.”

Is that tongue-in-cheek? Tell me he's not serious! Wow my satire meter so broken these days.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len June 09, 2019 11:55 AM  

I suspect a combination of cocaine and sexual abuse, just because what else could do that?

Maybe being the overhyped star of some vastly overrated films early in one's career.

Or it could be that some people are just egotistical dullards and eventually the truth will out.

Blogger jarheadljh June 09, 2019 12:00 PM  

"You're Marvel licensed by FOX, which is like music by Nickleback. Technically it's music, BUT IT SUCKS."-Fred Savage from Once Upon a Deadpool

I wish we could blame the failure of this movie on SJW cancer, but alas, we cannot. The entire FOX Marvel catalog is just a list of failure after failure for the exact same reasons that WB failed to get the Justice League franchise off the ground - shortsighted, impatient greed and a complete disregard for the source material.

At it's core, the Phoenix Saga is about Scott & Jean, two people in a long term love that would eventually culminate in marriage and children(kind of). The Phoenix Saga starts with Scott fighting for the woman he loves and ends with that woman laying her own life down to save his. So DP failed before it had even begun because Bryan "Kiddie-Diddler" Singer miss-cast and miss-characterized both characters and left the focus on Lawerence/Fassbender/McAvoy in much the same fashion that he originally centered XMen on Wolverine.

As others have said, the Phoenix Saga done by Marvel would have been something approaching Infinity War and Endgame - ten years of groundwork and build up to an epic that spans the galaxy but in the end is really only about one man and one woman.

Blogger jarheadljh June 09, 2019 12:03 PM  

Days of Future Past, Phoenix Saga, Age of Apocolypse - FOX live action has failed to live up to the standards for these stories set by the 90's FOX kids show. Live action Hollywierd fails to measure up to a terribly acted cheaply drawn cartoon show from 25 years ago.

Blogger FP June 09, 2019 12:05 PM  

I also had no idea this was coming out (as more feminist wahmen agitprop) until two weeks ago with a few internet ads here and there.

I liked the "First Class" time travel movie they did a few years ago. I didn't care for Logan though. There are way too many fanboys who seem to ignore the cliches and at times very PC parts of it.

Oh well, may hollywood go broke ever more faster.

Blogger MichaelJMaier June 09, 2019 12:13 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> The Dark Phoenix Saga is not only one of the greatest X-Men tales...

They're not exaggerating, it really is. It was probably Chris Claremont's best work, and the artwork was by John Byrne at his peak.


For all the lauding, JIM SHOOTER made the Dark Phoenix Sage what it was and is.

How? Claremont never wrote that the planet orbiting the sun that Phoenix ate was inhabited. Byrne did that on his own and CC liked it. So they ran with it.

Jim Shooter thought genocide needed more punishment than the partial lobotomy that CC & JB were going to give her (as in PHOENIX: THE UNTOLD STORY).

So they killed her instead. If they didn't? No one would care today about what happened in UNCANNY X-MEN 137.

I hate a lot of Jim Shooter's work. He was an inept writer in the time he was writing for Marvel. But history is what it is.

Blogger MichaelJMaier June 09, 2019 12:14 PM  

"SagA", dammit. I miss the edit function.

Blogger MichaelJMaier June 09, 2019 12:15 PM  

And the X-FILMs have universally sucked since the 2nd one with Jean "dying" at the end. How 20th CF has mis-managed (and mis-CAST!) such a rich potential of story lines and characters is simply baffling.

Blogger sammibandit June 09, 2019 12:21 PM  

OT: Yesterday was Troop the Colour. Little Prince Louis wore an outfit that his father, William, wore as a boy. It is so cool that Catherine pays homage this way, a big fan hit. Louis totally stole the show. William and Catherine looked so regal on the balcony and this season shows they're really coming into their own. Markle was snubbed by Princess Anne when Markle tried to force her way beside the Queen for a balcony promo shot. The Princess glided in right on cue. There's also a photo of Little Prince George hand-waving Auntie Meghan away as she tries to talk to him. That's two incidents in one day that are like scarfgate. It really looks like Markle is on the outs.

Blogger binks webelf June 09, 2019 12:56 PM  

HouellebecqGurl -- "Correction-It's a wonderful rainy day here in Ga. Temp is in the 70s, in the 2nd week of June."

Until this week, it's been raining every second day in Nova Scotia for months, temps in the 40-50F range. Many farmers are 6 weeks plus late in planting.. too wet to prepare the fields.

Blogger Matt June 09, 2019 3:14 PM  

Fox is run by cowards. They could have gone cosmic years ago, introducing the Shi'Ar etc years ago. They could have done the Phoenix Saga first, then done Dark Phoenix properly. Instead they jumped eight into it and screwed it up.

They clearly didn't learn their lesson with X-Men 3, because they've remade it with Sansa. Idiots.

Blogger tublecane June 09, 2019 3:23 PM  

I only know X-Men storylines from dim memories watching the Fox cartoon series when I was a kid. The phoenix thing in my memory is that the Jean Grey character--who was kinda like Professor X but not--dies and is reborn with god-like powers. Also, she had a love triangle with Wolverine and Cyclops, and they tried to keep her human so she wouldn't kill them all.

Which has potential. But the trend I see in Strong Female Characters with superpowers in popular media lately is that they have this power, they "let it go" when they feel like it, and that's about it. It just happens. That's the way it is with female Luke Skywalker (only better) in New Star Wars. That's Mizz Marvel.

The Frozen gal had the twist that she was dangerous and therefore potentially a villain or good girl, depending upon what they needed. Dark Phoenix I assume is the same way. I can't be the only one who has little interest in seeing a comic book movie about managing female hysterics.

Blogger InformationMerchant June 09, 2019 3:29 PM  

@42 The cliche/PC thing could apply to all of the X-Men movies. Logan is full of the cancer, the entire movie was set up against the backdrop of Trump genociding the Mexicans, we also have a 7 year old girl that's stronger than prime Wolverine.

On the other hand we have Patrick Stewart's 5th appearance as Xavier, Hugh Jackman's 8th appearance as Wolverine and we get an ending. Patrick Stewart does really well, there is some good there in contrast to the cancer. The tone being so different to the other X-Men movies has some appeal. They finally capitalize on people watching a ridiculous number of X-men movies.

Some people cannot tolerate the cancer, some people can. It must be amazing to be an SJW and watch this movie, especially when it came out. Obviously, for everyone else hearing the main villain talk about "his friend Donald" in his final speech breaks immersion.

Logan is far better than Origins: Wolverine or The Wolverine, they did find improvements to the formula. They even managed to make an X-Men film that didn't have to get carried by Magneto. It's a pity about the cancer.

https://i.redd.it/fcwjwdysbm231.jpg

Still, those are the ratings for all of the X-Men films. It's a shame they didn't have Days of Future Past Rogue's cut on there separately. I only found out about that one's existence a couple of days ago.

21% score for Dark Phoenix, 47% for Apocalypse. It'll be interesting to see how New Mutants does. Maisie Williams is in that one, she'll probably be far better than Sophie Turner.

Blogger Matt June 09, 2019 3:31 PM  

In the movies, Phoenix is a manifestation of Jean's powers, and the evil Prof X (Patriarcy) creates mental locks in young Jean's head so she doesnt go nuts, since she killed her parents as a child.

Blogger sammibandit June 09, 2019 3:34 PM  

Maybe I misread the X-Men show/collector cards. I couldn't afford comics at the time. I always thought it was the Logan cannot pick between Jean Grey and Rogue show with a side of Scott the gamma sucks so much and is always in the way. I can't picture Jean Grey not being Famke.

Blogger sammibandit June 09, 2019 4:09 PM  

https://youtu.be/4UStvd5QRxM

Wolverine kills Jean Grey scene 2006

Check out the comments. People are already saying Famke does it better.

Blogger tublecane June 09, 2019 4:32 PM  

@31- I have no idea how Marvel built Thanos up in movies before Infinity War, because I hadn't seen any Marvel movies between the Avengers and Infinity War when I met Thanos. So he may as well have fell from the sky into someone else's movie from all I knew.

That being said, I thought he was a good villain and he made perfect sense to me, as did the larger story. And yes, that would have been a stupid ending if not for the fact that I knew there was another movie coming. But I didn't need seven or whatever movies of Thanos collecting stones one-by-one to get it.

This X-Men storyline, on the other hand, maybe it needed more build-up. Maybe they shouldn't have done it so soon after doing it the last time. But probably there was a way to do one movie with Phoenix as a character that made sense and was fun to watch. Which is exactly what Thanos was to me.

Blogger Matt June 09, 2019 4:47 PM  

Until the first Avengers movie, I didnt think theyd pull it off. It was cool to see the post credit scenes in Iron Man, Hulk, and Captain America, but I was skeptical. That an infinity stone was in Captain America was the first clue.

But the movies leading up to Endgame were all good standalone movies. Captain Marvel was atrocious of course.

Avi Arad, the former Marvel studio head, balked at the idea of a shared cinematic universe. Fox could have done this 20 years ago. Warner Brothers had the last 40+ to do. It.

Blogger Jay in DC June 09, 2019 5:13 PM  

@54 "That being said, I thought he was a good villain and he made perfect sense to me, as did the larger story. And yes, that would have been a stupid ending if not for the fact that I knew there was another movie coming."

He is a good villain largely because of Josh Brolin being a top shelf actor. --However--, he would have been a MUCH better villain had they gone with practical effects and really good makeup on Brolin instead of digitizing him into this cartoonish thing with a purple nutsack for a chin.

We simply aren't there yet, though we are getting closer. I cannot get fully invested in a non-existent entity while actors talk to a stand-in in front of a green screen. There is a certain gravitas you can't achieve but they did it anyways across several films.

Thanos AS Brolin would have been a wholly better villain and the movies suffered for it as a whole. When we can get 1:1 verisimilitude (or at least very close to it) then we can have Big Bads that are completely rendered.

I think they still managed to do a good job w/ Thanos don't get me wrong, but all that complexity and emotion would have come out much more and been more impactful is all I'm saying.

Blogger thethirdcoast June 09, 2019 5:17 PM  

@53

Famke does it better because she has charisma and screen presence in spades, thus she can pull off the Jean Grey role.

Sophie Turner simply does not have the same level of screen presence, which is crucial for a female lead, even more so for one in a superhero film.

Blogger Scott June 09, 2019 5:41 PM  

Didn't the 90's X-Men cartoon already do this, and do it well?

Blogger tublecane June 09, 2019 5:41 PM  

@56- Full immersion, maybe not. But I think we got almost all the way there with Gollum in the Lord of the Rings movies. But that was lightning in a bottle.

Blogger Matt June 09, 2019 6:03 PM  

Practical with cgi finish wood make everything much better. As is often mentioned, the first Jurassic Park still holds up. The Darkness in "Legend" looked phenomenal. It can be done.

Blogger sammibandit June 09, 2019 7:12 PM  

I did the extended version marathon of LotR. 12 hours or so? We were all mad by the time you meet Farmir. Some of my buds still do it every Christmas.

Blogger Matt June 09, 2019 7:59 PM  

The good news is her career is over. We'll see those pink gumdrops soon enough.

Blogger God Emperor Memes June 10, 2019 5:41 AM  

I semi-regularly see people quoting the First and Second Laws of SJWs on Australian social media pages.

Blogger InformationMerchant June 10, 2019 10:26 AM  

@54 They mostly built the stones up. Thanos himself is only built up in:


The Avengers (mid-credits scene)
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron (mid-credits scene)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (mentioned)

And then the post credits scene of Thor Ragnarok is effectively the first scene of Infinity War.

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