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Saturday, July 06, 2019

Do keep up, evangelicals

Even rabbis are publicly teaching that there is no longer a covenant between the Jewish nation and the God of the Old Testament.
At the synagogue where I belong, Shaarey Zedek Congregation in suburban Detroit, Rabbi Aaron Starr  sermonized on Shavuot  that there no longer is a Covenant between the Jews and their God.

He quoted Richard Rubenstein, author of Beyond Auschwitz, who wrote: "I believe the greatest single challenge to modern Judaism arises out of the question of God and the death camps.  I believe that our problem is how to speak of religion in an age of no God."

He also quoted Rabbi Irving (Yitz) Greenberg, who wrote: "What then happened to the covenant?  I submit that its authority was broken."
That settles that, then. But I'm pretty sure that particular covenant was broken a long time before Auschwitz.

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Blogger Lazarus July 06, 2019 11:52 AM  

The Ashkenazi are shedding their Hebrew skin suit.

Blogger Dos Voltz July 06, 2019 11:52 AM  

If only the rabbis would consult the Bible, instead of their stupid pile of rules from Babylon they might have been clued in much earlier.

Blogger FUBARwest July 06, 2019 11:56 AM  

So Judaism isn't a religion now? You can't have a religion with a god.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 06, 2019 11:57 AM  

When God gave the world the new, improved covenant in His blood, He fulfilled and eliminated the Mosaic covenant. That was basic Christian doctrine for the last 2000 years, until the Judeo-Christian heresy came along.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 06, 2019 11:59 AM  

Oddly, part of this insight comes from Jordan Peterson, I think. The Israelites of the Old Testament, God’s people, after every catastrophe, asked themselves, Where did we go wrong that God would allow this to happen to us? These people who claim to carry the same line and follow the same faith, say, God let us down and therefore has broken his end of the deal. There is no continuity at all. Christians, especially sacramental denominations, carry far more of the ancient faith than they.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 06, 2019 12:01 PM  

@ FUBARwest So Judaism isn't a religion now? You can't have a religion with a god.

Nah, not true. Buddhism is generally considered a religion and Buddhism has no god. God or gods is not the defining trait.

Blogger Joe July 06, 2019 12:03 PM  

He speaks the truth. They broke it millennia ago.

Blogger JeighDi July 06, 2019 12:04 PM  

#3 Sure you can. It's just a denomination of Atheism now.

Blogger tdcommenter July 06, 2019 12:06 PM  

So who DO these synagogue goers proffess to worship?

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson July 06, 2019 12:13 PM  

Looks like these rabbis have never heard of the New Covenant. Some Israel loving Evangelicals should share the Good News with them.

Blogger FP July 06, 2019 12:15 PM  

I guess they've got an eruv for the covenant. Toss up some fishing line around Manhattan and no more worries about any rules or restrictions on the Sabbath, or anything else your heart desires.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Eruv

Blogger HouellebecqGurl July 06, 2019 12:18 PM  

Themselves. Same as always.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 06, 2019 12:19 PM  

At my church it's taught that when God made the covenant with Abraham, God walked between the sacrifices because he knew that only he was going to be able to keep its terms.

Blogger VD July 06, 2019 12:21 PM  

At my church it's taught that when God made the covenant with Abraham, God walked between the sacrifices because he knew that only he was going to be able to keep its terms.

Why not just claim that He rode a unicorn while you're at it?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 06, 2019 12:21 PM  

Does this news put the whole Judeo-Christian thing into question?

Blogger The Cooler July 06, 2019 12:29 PM  

"What then happened to the covenant? I submit that its authority was broken."

Doesn't get much more developmentally arrested than that, y'all.

As I think I said here the other day, if one thinks of Jews as spoiled, 15-year-old girls, they start making a hell of a lot more sense.

Blogger JAG July 06, 2019 12:33 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:@ FUBARwest So Judaism isn't a religion now? You can't have a religion with a god.

Nah, not true. Buddhism is generally considered a religion and Buddhism has no god. God or gods is not the defining trait.


There are numerous deities in Buddhism.

Blogger Whitecloak July 06, 2019 12:35 PM  

Sounds a whole lot like they're publicly proclaiming they're defecting from God to His adversary...

Synagogue of Satan indeed?

Blogger van helsing July 06, 2019 12:37 PM  

Talmudism is self worship by applying bureaucratic rules only to others.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 06, 2019 12:38 PM  

Jews do not even consider themselves white

Blogger VD July 06, 2019 12:42 PM  

Does this news put the whole Judeo-Christian thing into question?

No, it was complete nonsense from the start.

Talmudism is self worship by applying bureaucratic rules only to others.

I very much doubt that.

Blogger Stryker4570 July 06, 2019 12:42 PM  

Of course the Old Covenant has ended. See Jesus' parable of the Tenants and the Vineyard Owner. He says, "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it." Matt 21:43 In Luke 20:16 He says, "He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others.” When they heard it, they said, “May it never be!” Judaism as it exists today is entirely made up. They do not have a Temple and cannot perform the sacrifices demanded by the Covenant they profess, or used to profess in this case. Jesus spoke rightly when He said they teach as doctrines the commandments of men.

Blogger Stryker4570 July 06, 2019 12:48 PM  

VD@14 Please explain. That interpretation of the Lord 'passing between the pieces' in Gen 15 is a common interpretation in most churches.

Blogger The Cooler July 06, 2019 12:50 PM  

Of course the Old Covenant has ended.

They are not claiming it is ended because Jesus, however. They are claiming it's authority was broken by God because the Almighty didn't keep His end of 'the deal'... it was a negotiation, you see. A transaction.

Meh. They're all going to Hell, anyway. Sad!

Blogger Nate73 July 06, 2019 12:50 PM  

What really blows my mind is that the Ashkenazi have more power in european nations than if they actually moved to Israel itself.

Blogger gbob July 06, 2019 12:53 PM  

"The covenant is broken". No, fulfilled. The word you were looking for is fulfilled.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 06, 2019 12:55 PM  

Why not just claim that He rode a unicorn while you're at it?

It seems pretty obvious to me that they couldn't keep it. The whole Old Testament is the story of them not keeping it. Yet God made a unilateral covenant with Abraham. I'm curious, what is your interpretation of Genesis 15:1-21? If you have a different take I'm more than willing to be instructed. I've never heard of any other explanation of why God passed between the sacrifices and Abraham didn't than Abraham and his descendants were going to fail to keep their end of the bargain.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 06, 2019 12:58 PM  

I was reading about Mannasah again last night. They intentionally provoked God after observing what He did to Israel with Assyria. I don't think Auschwitz holds a candle to Akkad.

Then you get the cuck nonsense from Judah. A nation of cuck gammas trying to passive aggressively provoke God.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 06, 2019 1:00 PM  

You know it's bad when every prophet sent by God calls your nation a "whore" and is talking about annuling your covenant.

Blogger Ferdinand July 06, 2019 1:02 PM  

If the covenant was broken, what reason would jews have to continue following their own religious laws?

Blogger Hammerli 280 July 06, 2019 1:08 PM  

After mulling it over, this surprised me less than might be obvious.

The Diaspora Jews aren't defined simply by faith. They are defined by a common culture, language, and history as well...and honestly, a partial denial of their faith seems to be par for the course.

Kindly note that the Israelis are developing a different culture. They're a classical nation-state, and the modern Israelis are adjusting to that.

Blogger Max Boivin July 06, 2019 1:10 PM  

What is more ridiculous, believing in the Nazi death camps or believing the Jews are still God's chosen people?

Blogger liberranter July 06, 2019 1:11 PM  

"Defecting from God" is old hat for the Jews. The Old Testament is pretty much one long history of their repeated "defections," followed by temporary (NEVER lesson-learned permanent) reconciliations before the cycle started all over again.

Blogger liberranter July 06, 2019 1:14 PM  

Megalomania/racial superiority+xenophobia

Blogger Gregory the Great July 06, 2019 1:18 PM  

The Rabbi speaks of an "Age of no God". Similar ideas must have come to the mind of the nations around ancient Israel that were slaughtered down to the last baby by the Neopalestinians of that age. History is full of war, war, war and slaughter, and suddenly another mass slaughter (the "Holocaust") serves as proof that now finally really there is no God. If the rabbi thinks he can decide there are ages with no God, God may well have a surprise waiting for him by bringing about an age without rabbis.

Blogger Scott July 06, 2019 1:23 PM  

Satan. Revelation chapters 2 and 3 both record John as receiving a vision of Christ referring to those who claim to be Jews, and are not, but are a "synagogue of Satan". Make of that what you will.

Blogger sammibandit July 06, 2019 1:23 PM  

House always wins.

Blogger rycamor July 06, 2019 1:26 PM  

Stryker4570 wrote:VD@14 Please explain. That interpretation of the Lord 'passing between the pieces' in Gen 15 is a common interpretation in most churches.

It is also common in most churches to read far more into a Bible passage than is explicitly stated. Does the passage state ANY sort of condition to that particular covenant? We are just told that God made a covenant regarding possession of the land. Nothing more is stated at the end of that passage. Ergo, it is an unconditional, not a conditional covenant. We are also not told that it is forever. It was just a statement that Abraham's descendants would end up possessing the land. What they did with it afterward is the subject of... a great part of the rest of the Old Testament.

Blogger Gregory the Great July 06, 2019 1:35 PM  

The Jews seem to think God broke the covenant ("We assure you, your honour, we did nothing wrong, really"), and they can now prosecute him and judge him and hand him the death penalty (there is no God) like they did with Jesus.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 06, 2019 1:35 PM  

Nothing more is stated at the end of that passage. Ergo, it is an unconditional, not a conditional covenant. We are also not told that it is forever. It was just a statement that Abraham's descendants would end up possessing the land. What they did with it afterward is the subject of... a great part of the rest of the Old Testament.

Interesting, will have to look into that. Thanks.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 06, 2019 1:36 PM  

Ferdinand wrote:If the covenant was broken, what reason would jews have to continue following their own religious laws?

They haven't followed the Mosaic covenant since the Temple was destroyed in 70AD. The Mosiac covenant required regular sacrifices which were allowed ONLY at the Temple. The Northern Kingdom was in sin from the start because they offered sacrifices outside the Temple. It is referred to repeatedly in the Old Testament as the sin of Jeroboam.

The ``laws'' modern Jews follow are strictly their own, and God has no part in it.

Blogger Garuna July 06, 2019 1:45 PM  

Nice. Just in time for #110.

Blogger Stryker4570 July 06, 2019 1:54 PM  

rycamor@38 The Apostle Paul evidently believed there was more going on here than just a promise of land. Read Galatians Chapter 3. Esp vs 6-9 and 15-17. Paul here is referring to the covenant made in Gen 15 and following.

Blogger Zander Stander July 06, 2019 1:54 PM  

So if they declared there is no God, all other claims by other religions are therefore void. Those religions can then be cut down to size as mere sociocultural expressions and dealt with in the same manner as other interest groups. Kind of like asking how many divisions the pope has.

Blogger rycamor July 06, 2019 2:31 PM  

Stryker @43, again, no mention is made of it being conditional upon Abraham's obedience, much less that of his descendants. Now, there are plenty of conditional covenants that come later, but this one in particular doesn't look like depends at all on the acts of mankind.

Blogger rycamor July 06, 2019 2:32 PM  

Especially so, given the context.

Blogger Nation-Deprived July 06, 2019 2:33 PM  

Their arrogance exceeds even that of the Atheists.

Blogger Solon July 06, 2019 2:39 PM  

It is my understanding that Buddhism does have a God/s, but that we are all a part of the same sort of universal energy. That the world and reality are a reflection of our own thoughts and selves. We are all, together, God.

This is why you don't see too many "high level" Buddhists teaching their philosophy to prospective newcomers: in their faith, it would be the same thing as talking to yourself, and thus mostly pointless.

Blogger Gregory the Great July 06, 2019 2:47 PM  

I think there is a book written by a rabbi called something like "Why do bad things happen to bad people?" I may have gotten the title wrong, but it came to mind.

Blogger FrankNorman July 06, 2019 2:56 PM  

Abraham believed God and it was reckoned unto him as righteousness. simply believing that God being all-powerful is able to carry out what he has promised sounds like not a very hard thing to do but it seems to be a barrier to a surprisingly large amount of people.

Blogger Gregory the Great July 06, 2019 3:06 PM  

And He Lives Haendel: Hallelujah for Organ

Blogger David Ray Milton July 06, 2019 3:08 PM  

There’s a better way to look at Genesis 15. Many scholars believe that what is taking place is a ceremony between a sovereign King(God) and a vassal King (Abraham). Traditionally, the vassal king would walk through some slaughtered animals when a covenant was being made with his sovereign with the understanding that if the vassal were to break the covenant, then the sovereign would tear him to pieces like the animals have been torn to pieces.

Yet, in the passage, it seems that God’s presence walks though the slaughtered animals, not Abraham.

This can be looked at Messianically with Christ’s sacrifice for us. God knew that Abraham’s descendants would never be able to keep their end of the covenant, but that God would pay the price for them (and for all of mankind) in Jesus being crucified for our sins. It’s a shame that many of those descendants rejected God’s sacrifice.

Blogger Solon July 06, 2019 3:09 PM  

@rycamor

Nothing is mentioned of permanence in that covenant either. He'd give the land to Abraham's descendants and he did. Covenant fulfilled.

Or, if you want to insist it's a permanent thing, then it hasn't been fulfilled yet, because Christians are the spiritual descendants of Abraham, and that land currently belongs to worshippers of a moon-demon and of The Morningstar. It could well be that the land will eventually come to Christians, those who kept faith with God.

Side note: ironically hilarious that the Jews now say there is no God. I recall a famous atheist philosopher who said something similar:

Neitszche: "God is dead."
God: "Neitszche is dead."

Word of warning, perhaps?

Blogger Stryker4570 July 06, 2019 3:23 PM  

rycamor@45 That's exactly what I am saying. That righteousness comes through faith alone apart from works is established in Gen 15. Paul says in this instance, "Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer." So there is significance to the fact that only the Lord passed between the pieces, and it would not be a stretch or 'reading more into it than is there.'

Blogger Beardy Bear July 06, 2019 3:29 PM  

They will probably think God broke the covenant, and didn't hold up His side of the bargain.

Blogger matveidaniilovich July 06, 2019 3:47 PM  

VD wrote:At my church it's taught that when God made the covenant with Abraham, God walked between the sacrifices because he knew that only he was going to be able to keep its terms.

Why not just claim that He rode a unicorn while you're at it?


That's how I read the story in Genesis as well. However, you have to take Galatians into account, where the real promise made to Abraham was to his Seed (Christ). Anyone w/ faith in Christ is in the covenant.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 06, 2019 4:10 PM  

@14 VD
What are you challenging, that God "walked" between the split sacrifice or the interpretation?

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 06, 2019 4:20 PM  

@56
Paul points that out, that the word seed is in singular.

Blogger JohnofAustria July 06, 2019 4:45 PM  

Talmudic Judaism is a giant worship of self and tribe under the mask of worshipping the creator.

Blogger God Emperor Memes July 06, 2019 4:58 PM  

Define "God".- Anything you exalt before other things can be a (false) god. "Science ™" is the good of modern atheists, for example. They literally have blind faith in Evolutionary Theory, despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

Blogger rycamor July 06, 2019 5:02 PM  

I don't know what you guys are going on about. The only thing I was responding to was the phrase "At my church it's taught that when God made the covenant with Abraham, God walked between the sacrifices because he knew that only he was going to be able to keep its terms."

THERE WERE NO TERMS to that particular covenant. It was just a statement of what God was going to do. All the other stuff Paul is talking about is part of a much larger theological discussion. Any idea of God knowing His people couldn't keep up His requirements comes later, with the Law. Paul clearly says in verse 17 that the law and its requirements have nothing to do with that covenant.

Blogger Mr. Naron July 06, 2019 5:36 PM  

"But what is America without its Constitution?" America. It's not hard. We were America before 1789, we'd be America if we went back to the Articles of Confederation.

Blogger urthshu July 06, 2019 6:10 PM  

I'm late to the party but to speak towards one obscure point: Buddhism regards the gods as yet another set of beings subject to suffering and Dharma, just as demons and titans are. They would interpret the god of the Jews and the Arabs as geographic centered entities enslaving the mortals around them, and possibly more abjectly lost to cravings and delusion than mortals are, yet nonetheless powerful and maintaining heavens of their own making. There are countless other gods to be found in that tradition, all honored though I'm unsure if worship is the proper term. Maybe communed with.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart July 06, 2019 6:17 PM  

that particular covenant was broken a long time before Auschwitz.

And not by God, either.

Because the invocation of "Auschwitz" seems to imply that it was all God's fault. Which would be false.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 06, 2019 6:27 PM  

More importantly, what religion do Jews turn to in lieu of Judaism? Could it be a certain ethnocentric humanist philosophy dyed in red?

Blogger Silent Draco July 06, 2019 6:35 PM  

An eternity of difference between

"Take up your cross and follow Me."

and

"It's your fault that this happened to MEEEEE!"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 06, 2019 6:51 PM  

By and large they don't follow their own religious laws.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 06, 2019 7:01 PM  

The covenant was broken before Auschwitz.
Auschwitz was the punishment.
And at the risk of being called Literally Hitler, it was detailed in a very wordy chapter by the real Hitler exactly what the Jews were doing in the 1920s and they are doing it again. I don't condone slaughtering them. But said initial slaughter having failed, they use that attempt, to this day, to accuse you of trying at another slaughter just for pointing out the same behavior that put them in the hot seat before.

I think this time we are smarter. If we tried to cure our socialism problem by "throwing all Jews into the sea" Pinochet style, we would still have a socialism problem. If we just threw all socialists into the sea, yes there would be a percentage of wet jews exceeding their actual total population percentage.

I strongly agree with Owen on not falling into the "blame the jews" trap. It does seem like a trap. The parallels in behavior are so spot on, it has to be deliberate. But I also had my share of a lot of boomers with "blame one thing" syndrome, and many many times I have been pulled aside and told, by someone all wide-eyed, "it's the Jewwwwwws!" or "It's the jesuiiiiiiiiiits!!!" or "It's the Masonnnnnnnnnnnns".
Every damned time. One group, responsible for all the ills, and I long lost count of people who all had that one thing on their blame list, and every one of them different.

Blogger Wazdakka July 06, 2019 7:03 PM  

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Blogger tublecane July 06, 2019 7:22 PM  

Uh, considering worldwide Jewry was larger after WWII than before, what are they talking about?

God let them suffer some? Okay, but isn't that a well-established pattern? And aren't they kinda proud of it?

Blogger rycamor July 06, 2019 7:29 PM  

@70

1. Auschwitz is the answer to everything. You cannot question them on anything because Auschwitz. It's the answer to why they get to do things they would condemn you for, and why they are justified in silencing you for even pointing that out.

2. Sure, and if they now get to assume God broke the covenant, then that gets them off the hook for all kinds of obligations, doesn't it?

Blogger Unknown July 06, 2019 7:56 PM  

Ya they've been atheists or full on luciferians for a while now... Or as BB coined, "Juciferians".

Blogger LES July 06, 2019 7:58 PM  

rycamor

Do you believe that modern day neo-Palestinians are entitled to take all the land "...from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates river (in Iraq)?"
Genesis 15:18

Blogger Glaivester July 06, 2019 8:58 PM  

I think the Pharisees get a bit of a bad rap. There were some Pharisees (Nicodemus and Saul/Paul) who converted, and Gamaliel famously advocated tolerance toward Christianity (">Acts 5:34).

The Sadducees seem to me to be the ones who were irredeemable. Never one good thing said about them.

It strikes me that in many respects, the secular and more liberal Jews are probably much more like the Sadducees than the Pharisees.

Blogger jeffbladerunner July 06, 2019 9:28 PM  

The Bible seems to predict that White Christians would replace Semites in a future covenant. Replacement theology for the win.

"May God enlarge Japheth, and let him dwell in the tents of Shem, and let Canaan be his servant.” (Gen 9:27 ESV)

Blogger rumpole5 July 06, 2019 9:46 PM  

I have always understood Paul's olive tree in romans 11 to be a metaphorical image of God's covenant with Israel. If we gentile Christian "wild olive branches" are "grafted in" as Paul states then that covenant still exists. Moreover, if the Babalonian destruction of Jerusalem, rape, pillage and murder of many of it's inhabitants, and exile of the survivors for 3 generations did not void the covenant, I don't see why Hitler's actions re: the Jews would do so. In fact, a good argument could be made that if no Hitler then no modern day Israel.
I think that now, as in the past, "He who watches over Israel slumbers not nor sleeps".

Blogger BriarRabbit July 06, 2019 10:10 PM  

Atheists have a religion. It is Humanism and they practice Materialism. They have beliefs about:
1) Origins. They believe we blew up out of nothing and evolved from hydrogen gas. And rocks.
2) The current state of affairs. They believe in relative morality and materialism. There is nothing beyond the physical. This means love doesn't exist. You have no soul and no free will.
3) Views on destiny. They believe you die and that's it.

These views are all anti-science and based on faith.

So atheism. It's a religion. It's just one with no answers, so it is an empty, bankrupt religion.

Blogger rycamor July 06, 2019 10:26 PM  

LES wrote:rycamor

Do you believe that modern day neo-Palestinians are entitled to take all the land "...from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates river (in Iraq)?"

Genesis 15:18


I neither know nor care who is entitled to that land. It's not our fight. I don't pretend to know exactly whether God intended all the Old Testament covenants to apply in perpetuity, but I tend to be a theological minimalist: if it isn't explicitly stated, then my default is no, unless someone can build a very good case. Also, I don't know whether Paul is making a clever pun or illustration out of the question of offspring not being plural, and that the covenant for possession really applies to Jesus, but it's pretty obvious that the point he is making is that the covenant no longer applies in the old (literal) way (this interpretation supported in Matthew Henry's commentary).

The whole point is we modern Christians need to stop being obsessed with the geopolitical entity of Israel and by extension the diaspora Jews as being spiritually significant and requiring of our unquestioned support. If they are not abiding by the new covenant of Christ, we owe them nothing.

Blogger van helsing July 06, 2019 10:33 PM  

21 / VD. well they sure do apply those rules to others and not themselves. then there's other bonuses and stipulations like how many of whose lives are worth one yahoodi fingernail.

Blogger billo July 06, 2019 10:34 PM  

It's a mistake to quote some liberal Rabbi and imply that he represents some Jewish consensus. As a Jewish friend of mine has noted, if you get two rabbis in a room and ask them a question, you will get three opinions.

And the same thing is true with Christians. I recently read about a Lutheran church that insists that God is female and has revived the worship of Asherah -- a Semitic fertility goddess (do a search on "Lutheran Church goddess worship"). It would be incorrect to quote this minister and claim that it represents any kind of Christian orthodoxy.

Liberal Jews say stupid things, just like liberal "Christians" say stupid things.

Blogger sammibandit July 06, 2019 10:56 PM  

Yeah that's Isis/Semimiramis worship. That's not Christian.

Blogger damaris.tighe July 06, 2019 10:57 PM  

They mean God broke the covenant ?

Blogger David Ray Milton July 06, 2019 11:02 PM  

@billo

Your last sentence is correct, but the first two paragraphs don’t paint an accurate picture. Liberalism is the exception amongst Christians. Atheism is the norm amongst Jews.

Blogger damaris.tighe July 06, 2019 11:12 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:The Israelites of the Old Testament, God’s people, after every catastrophe, asked themselves, Where did we go wrong that God would allow this to happen to us?...God let us down and therefore has broken his end of the deal.
This is a great question for this community to ask themselves.I encourage them to pursue it.

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Blogger Unknown July 07, 2019 12:51 AM  

This generation of Jews is as spiritually dead as the WW2 generation of Jews was. No matter, one could argue that this generation of Gentiles is as dead also.

Nevertheless the covenant is intact, and will be fulfilled in the days of the thousand year post-return reign of Christ, as is told in Zechariah. Many Jews will die, obviously, before a portion of that generation is redeemed.

God does not fail, even if Jews or Gentiles do. He does not need us, or anyone else, to hold up our end, in order to hold up His.

In the meantime we would do well to care for the brethren whether they be Gentile or not. There are a few Jews who believe as Christians do, after all the first Christians were Jews.

Blogger Paul M July 07, 2019 2:19 AM  

They have Jerusalem back - where are the sacrifices in the temple? Where is the priesthood? Christianity is truer to the OT than the mishmash of weird superstitions that is modern Judaism, because Christianity still has at its heart blood sacrifice as atonement for sin.

Blogger jarheadljh July 07, 2019 2:35 AM  

Sorry if this is a bit rambly.... the covenant is not broken. The *remaining* Hebrews will get everything promised them. The majority of Hebrews called Jews will not be among them. They are descended of the Pharisees and Sadducees who killed Messiah, and as Owen has picked up from E.Michael Jones, they in that moment rejected truth. As a result they have gotten themselves thrown out of over 100 different countries and now are being drawn to kingdom set up for them in spite of the fact that it does not have God's sanction as they still reject their Messiah. Current Israel has the six pointed star or Remphan on it's flag - it's broadcasting it's true allegiance, and because they have rejected truth they quite literally can't tell the difference.

Right now they make a religious experience out of praying at a Roman era wall that is probably the wall of the Roman fortress of Antonia NOT the mount Solomon built the temple on(search Herodian Stones). The area they found with the ceremonial washing area on the "temple mount" is likely the remains of a temple of Jupiter. The Talmudic Jews can't tell the difference. They are the Synagogue of Satan mentioned in Revelation.

When they capital A Antichrist shows up they will know him as their long promised one, they will take whatever mark he tells them to and they will go to whatever destruction he is scheduled for. The only living Jews that will be left to receive the promise will be the Messianic Jews that the Talmudic Jews have REFUSED TO ALLOW INTO THE COUNTRY by denying them the right of return.

Blogger LP916 July 07, 2019 3:58 AM  

Rabbi and random atheist are you ok with drag queen story hour in your no God stance.

Rabbi's to Christ deniers can talk all day, less talk more packing.

Blogger Andrew Brown July 07, 2019 6:05 AM  

Jewish pride seems like the ultimate stumbling block to repenting and accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

Blogger VD July 07, 2019 6:53 AM  

It's a mistake to quote some liberal Rabbi and imply that he represents some Jewish consensus. As a Jewish friend of mine has noted, if you get two rabbis in a room and ask them a question, you will get three opinions.

It's not a mistake, it's an accurate reflection of what the cited individual's believe. And if two rabbis have three opinions, then obviously at least one of them is a liar.

Blogger Gregory the Great July 07, 2019 9:03 AM  

VD: "And if two rabbis have three opinions, then obviously at least one of them is a liar."
Can we call him "Rabbi Two-Face"?

Blogger LES July 07, 2019 9:03 AM  

@ Unknown 86

"Nevertheless the covenant is intact, and will be fulfilled in the days of the thousand year post-return reign of Christ..."

Tell me if I have this right. Christians do not go to Heaven until after the thousand years. After the Great Tribulation every Christian who ever lived will reign on Earth with Christ...for a thousand years. That's a lot of people!

We will have resurrected, spiritual bodies and will not be married or have sex. "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." Matthew 22:30

Where will you live for a thousand years? If you like beach front property then it's probably not too soon to buy what you can.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 07, 2019 9:25 AM  

As a Jewish friend of mine has noted, if you get two rabbis in a room and ask them a question, you will get three opinions.

I enjoy when they cite this as if it's a viable defense of anything.

Blogger xevious2030 July 07, 2019 10:44 AM  

Did an in depth a couple decades ago into replacement theology and the covenant/new. Prophecy, the Greek, discussed it with other such. It reads as a renewed covenant (put into modern terms, restoring an old car to same as new condition). Certain promises have not yet been fulfilled. The covenant was not conditional, there were no unicorn escape clauses (violations, yes, total cessation and perminantly revocation of the covenant, no). Christians are indeed grafted in. Prophecy basically says Jews (general common usage, I say "the tribe of Juda" if I mean the speciffic tribe) are out, and will be brought back in. Matching with the New Testament, this means they will become Christian too. The only textual Old Testament issue of the entirely explicit was Jesus being God (I do believe Jesus is God), and went back to the oldest (was tested and dated) Hebrew page and an uncertain brushstroke on a single word. By explicit, yes, that prophecy too (whom they have pierced, the whole lot of them).

Anyway, beyond the explicit, there appears to be a pause (Gap theory) in a specific long term prophecy provided in the Old Testament of Daniel. Have not seen a closer fit utilizing logical reconstruction and overlay. But again, not explicit.

Biblically they are God's problem, not the Christian's problem. Better to have nothing to do with them (as possible) until they become Christians. For the time being, they are the children of Satan.

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