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Tuesday, July 09, 2019

Go to Israel, Tommy

What possible interest could the USA have in offering asylum to Stephen Yaxley-Lennon?
The former English Defence League leader, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, could face jail again for interfering with the trial of an Asian sex gang at Leeds Crown Court in May 2018. Two High Court judges found him guilty of contempt of court at the Old Bailey last week - which carries up to two years in jail - for 'aggressively confronting and filming' defendants while the jury considered its verdicts.

Dame Victoria Sharp said in a ruling published today: 'His words had a clear tendency to encourage unlawful physical or verbal aggression towards identifiable targets. Harassment of the kind he was describing could not be justified'.

Ahead of the sentencing on Thursday, Robinson pleaded with President Trump to let him live in America, saying being sent to prison in the UK would be like a 'death sentence'.

He told the far-right InfoWars website: 'I beg Donald Trump, I beg the American government, to look at my case. I need evacuation from this country because dark forces are at work.

'This is a direct appeal on behalf of my family – we love the United States, I have no future here [in Britain]. The country has fallen.'
The prosecution is a show trial, of course, meant to intimidate real English nationalists. But Tommy Robinson is not an English nationalist, he's the working-class equivalent of a Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson. He is a cuck and a shill, and let's face it, the USA has a sufficient supply of both at the moment.

I don't recall old Tommy calling himself an American revolutionary, but rather, a Zionist. Let him turn to Israel if he wants out of Great Britain.

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196 Comments:

Blogger Miguel July 09, 2019 8:35 AM  

It would be fun to watch

Blogger Miguel July 09, 2019 8:35 AM  

....him asking Israel for asylum.

Blogger Robert Browning July 09, 2019 8:41 AM  

He is Irish. The Irish are the henchmen for the Jews. Just like Sean Hannity, Robinson is stirring up anti-Muslim sentiment for the Jews. What have Muslims done to the Irish?

Blogger Longtime Lurker July 09, 2019 8:51 AM  

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Yaxley-Lennon", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Yaxley-Lennon", when the band begins to play

Blogger JAG July 09, 2019 9:00 AM  

Aliyah... make it.

Blogger Glaivester July 09, 2019 9:08 AM  

@3: As "Alt Rabbi" on Twitter would refer to him, [[[Stephen Yaxley-Lennon]]].

Blogger Sherlock July 09, 2019 9:09 AM  

"Asian"!?

Blogger David Ray Milton July 09, 2019 9:12 AM  

There would be plenty of coke in Israel. Plus, he could fight on the front lines against the Palestinians.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 09, 2019 9:15 AM  

Tommy is working so hard for England, he's ready to split at a moment's notice.
That's definitely a man that can be trusted and counted on.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 09, 2019 9:22 AM  

""Asian"!?"

That's what the UK calls Pakistanis.

Blogger LP916 July 09, 2019 9:22 AM  

Please do move, selfish idiot.

It is his fault he endangered his family.

This guy again and again, he violated terms of his parole, acts out - If online I read or hear him coming up, "the next edgy guest Tommy...", I tune it elsewhere.

Not interested in Tommy. I don't necessarily 'believe' (trust) he is 'exposing' Islamic men abusing women and children in his land.

Blogger xevious2030 July 09, 2019 9:24 AM  

well, he has three main options. Flee. Stick his head in the noose. Or to go to war with the people who have decided to have him killed.

Blogger doctrev July 09, 2019 9:25 AM  

I don't dislike Tommy as much as some of you, and I certainly think the British government has descended into sharia tyranny. But there's something pathetic about watching the guy beg like this. I've never seen hardcore Muslims plead out when they face longer sentences. They wouldn't be able to go back to their communities again.

I'd prefer Tommy accept martyrdom with a stronger heart.

Blogger JC Skinner July 09, 2019 9:26 AM  

Browning, you're an idiot. The Irish have been almost alone in Europe in their constant support of the Palestinian cause. Tommy is English, not Irish. Whose puppet he is, I have no idea, but it's not the Irish running him.

Blogger Peter July 09, 2019 9:28 AM  

British Government: Don't do this again, Tommy, or we'll lock you up.

(Tommy does it again)

Tommy: Boohoo, they locked me up.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 09, 2019 9:32 AM  

This constant Israel worship reminds me of losers slobbering over the THOT de jour on social media.

Blogger sammibandit July 09, 2019 9:32 AM  

Massive snub to the Commonwealth. Oh well.

Blogger Robert Browning July 09, 2019 9:35 AM  

JC Skinner wrote:Browning, you're an idiot. The Irish have been almost alone in Europe in their constant support of the Palestinian cause. Tommy is English, not Irish. Whose puppet he is, I have no idea, but it's not the Irish running him.

The Irish Post says he is Irish. You should be offending by the conduct of your very own. Your kind are in league with Jews and are persecuting and tormenting innocent people who did no wrong, in defiance of the will of Christ. I'd be very ashamed if I were you.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/revealed-the-irish-face-of-the-english-defence-league-edl-7232

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 09, 2019 9:36 AM  

I don't know much about the guy, but he's gotten in trouble for this before and been warned, right? So it looks like he was basically daring them to hit him with harder charges this time. When you decide to stand up to tyrants who have threatened to put you down, and then they do it, aren't you supposed to go to the gallows with your head high to rile up the peasants? If you flee, it kind of spoils the effect.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to go to prison, but if you don't want to take that chance, you don't get to play the role of Rebel Leader.

Blogger JC Skinner July 09, 2019 9:37 AM  

You're still an idiot. He is an English nationalist born in Luton, Bedfordshire.
Look to the plank in your own eye first. You can't even get your facts straight.

Blogger Harambe July 09, 2019 9:41 AM  

Sherlock wrote:"Asian"!?

basically everyone whose passport is from East of Greece is an "Asian" in the UK.

Blogger Dan in Georgia July 09, 2019 9:42 AM  

Ya know, I’m starting to figure out why we hate the Brits so much. Go fuck yourself.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 09, 2019 9:45 AM  

I've read that Muslims over there will surround police stations and threaten the police with violence if their demands are not met. If that's true, why can't TR's men do the same thing? If the English police are total pussies like we think they are, why not?

That makes me wonder what American polc8e would do in the same situation. I wonder if they would go to war with the group of muslims right there in front of the police station.

Blogger Sherlock July 09, 2019 9:50 AM  

Ha. Do they call Israelis "Asian" as well?

Honk Honk, right?

Blogger Sherlock July 09, 2019 9:51 AM  

Today I learn Putin and Netanyahu are both Asian.

Blogger Monotonous Languor July 09, 2019 10:03 AM  

I don't understand the animus behind putting Tommy Robinson in jail for two years with his enemies, as well as agreeing that he deserves to be there. A slight against Owen Benjamin isn't bad enough to warrant it. Nor is lukewarm support for Israel a reason to want a man killed.

Regarding the most current situation:

1. There are many bad laws supported by reasonable explanations, including but not limited to so-called hate speech laws and now these gag-order laws. Shouldn't they be opposed? What's the best way to oppose them? Isn't confrontation a viable method?

2. Tommy Robinson has repeatedly done things that I personally don't have the courage to do, including skirting financial ruin and getting incarcerated by the authorities with people who want to kill him. Do you think think he exhibits courage?

3. There are ideological differences about various issues between those who are traditionalists/nationalists. What is the best way to resolve them? If there are conflicts, should we hold that against people ostensibly on our side?

4. His latest indictment stems from doing something that the British media do on a regular basis. Do you agree with selective enforcement of laws?

5. Does his punishment fit the crime? If not, is this situation unjust? If unjust, then what is the best way to resolve it?

6. Does whatever harm he has done outweigh the good he has also done?

I know my answers to the above questions, and they fall on the side of support for Tommy Robinson.

Blogger doctrev July 09, 2019 10:09 AM  

Languor, you're nerding it up. Those are all reasonable questions when confronted with moral opponents. As he is dealing with dishonorable perverts, he should have known that his path is going to end with being killed in prison. I would have been impressed if he intended to die heroically, more so if he had physically fought to avoid jail at all.

In the end, the only thing with less worth than Tommy's lukewarm "anti-racist" advocacy is your support of it. If your boy in your nation is arrested, why not do something about it? If he's not in your nation and you do nothing, how much do you really care?

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 10:11 AM  

I don't understand the animus behind putting Tommy Robinson in jail for two years with his enemies, as well as agreeing that he deserves to be there. A slight against Owen Benjamin isn't bad enough to warrant it. Nor is lukewarm support for Israel a reason to want a man killed.

Tommy Robinson is a fraud. He posed as a nationalist leader, but he's not willing to fight and he's not even willing to pay the price for his posturing.

His support for Israel is not "lukewarm". The man describes himself as a Zionist. Why on Earth is he turning to the USA for support and how is it in the US national interest to pay him any attention at all?

Again, he's a fraud. And I do not support frauds.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 09, 2019 10:12 AM  

"Today I learn Putin and Netanyahu are both Asian."

Amazing how conveniently selective filters do and don't work, huh? Guarantee the same people calling Pakis asian wouldn't call either of those two asian.

Blogger English Tom July 09, 2019 10:12 AM  

@JC Skinner

He is not an English nationalist. He is a Zionist. He proclaimed this himself on many occasions. He's a shabbas goy doing the dirty work for his (((masters))) who are destroying the West.

Blogger yoghi.llama July 09, 2019 10:13 AM  

His Panodrama documentary was a pretty good piece of work.

For those saying he should face death calmly: well, he did, last time he went to prison, and does, every time he goes out in public.

Blogger Sherlock July 09, 2019 10:14 AM  

Exactly!

Blogger Fozzy Bear July 09, 2019 10:14 AM  

I still don’t get what Tommy’s crime is supposed to be. Not biting the Rebel Media hand that feeds his family? He hasn’t blamed the Jews for Muslim rape gangs? I keep hearing him called a fake and a shill but nobody can tell me anything specific he’s done wrong.

Blogger English Tom July 09, 2019 10:16 AM  

@Monotonous Langour

It's hard to face financial ruin when you have wealthy Zionists jews bankrolling you.

Just sayin!

Blogger David Ray Milton July 09, 2019 10:18 AM  

@Stg58

It’s an interesting question. I would tend to think the American police would not cave, at least to the same degree. One, we have a long history of knowing what happens when you let the vibrants riot. Two, higher testosterone levels. Three, American police have real weaponry.

I’m not saying that American police are incapable of caving if a large enough mob forms, but I have hard time seeing them give up the town, so to speak.

Blogger Joe Smith July 09, 2019 10:27 AM  

@Ransom Smith A moments notice? Tommy may be wrong about how Jewish influence has messed up Britain, but he's a guy that stood up to be counted when "Asian" rape gangs started running trains on British girls. He says things like "Zionist", and he's a civnat, but he has more balls than your average keyboard warrior. I'd like to see what you would do if you were about to go into a jail system infested by Muslims that hate you.

Blogger English Tom July 09, 2019 10:28 AM  

He got one thing right when he talked about (((dark forces))) controlling Britain. He works for them!

Blogger English Tom July 09, 2019 10:32 AM  

His role is to split the British nationalist movement by accruing a lot of angry heads to his cause, thereby demonising the struggle in the eyes of normies, who might otherwise get on board.

See: Joe Owens talking sense on youtube.

Blogger xevious2030 July 09, 2019 10:41 AM  

“When you decide to stand up to tyrants who have threatened to put you down, and then they do it, aren't you supposed to go to the gallows with your head high to rile up the peasants?”

No, you don’t go to the gallows (inmate shiv). If death is all they have to offer, you flee, fight until finality, or are captured by sheer exhaustion. But without a fight at all? No, screw the gallows. Head held high is the crap an establishment sells you to accept their brand of authority, because most people won’t, they’ll avoid.

Blogger JC Skinner July 09, 2019 10:42 AM  

He may well be a shabbas goy. He may not be an English nationalist (though he was in the BNP and the EDL). One thing he definitely isn't is Irish.

Blogger Tars Tarkas July 09, 2019 10:42 AM  

Robert Browning wrote:What have Muslims done to the Irish?

Taken them as slaves.

Robinson is not ideal, but he brings attention to a lot of the problems in Britain.

But what this all comes down to is the elite in Britain fear the Muslims and they do not fear the men of Britain.

The whole 'we were afraid of being called racist' excuse for not putting these Muslim pedos in prison for life is a lie. They were afraid of Muslim rioting and violence, while the fathers of the girls did nothing. If the fathers of these girls were men, their daughters wouldn't have been so susceptible to the grooming in the first place, and the Muslims would have been strung up when the fathers found out.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 09, 2019 10:42 AM  

Honestly, I doubt Tommy Robinson is a gatekeeper. They tend to not go to actual prison.

Then again, I don't care much for him, other than his ability to expose just how messed up the UK's judicial culture is these days.

Blogger PVB July 09, 2019 10:42 AM  

Alright, I'm confused. People seems to be condemning Tommy for being a Zionist, yet Vox says he is a Zionist. What am I missing?

I am a Zionist because I am a nationalist. The Jews have a right to their homeland, Israel. They also have a right to invade Gaza because they were being attacked; hundreds of rocket launches is a legitimate casus belli. But they have no more right to Paris than the Arabs do, and the French would be wise to repatriate all of these bold defenders of their various homelands to let them fight it out there rather than in the heart of their capital city. Because it is patently obvious that neither side gives a damn about France.

From: A hand overplayed

Blogger xevious2030 July 09, 2019 10:43 AM  

Stg58 “why can't TR's men do the same thing?”

From the IP article Robert Browning linked to. The answer is they could, but given TRs apparent (quoted elsewhere) disparagement against violence (and the far-right), likely resulting from the experience of the below quote (and the history of the IRA (not a TR group, but he probably had an awareness of) having heads blown off by British military snipers), it would require a change in outlook and message. From Give Peace A Chance, to Burning Down The House. At this point, loyalty issues or not, they need a catalyst to turn things around. Years of Brexit without Talking Heads is proof a cartoon caricature bringing action would be better than nothing.

“Violence erupted as mosques were attacked and police attempted to control the scene, where EDL members chanted “no surrender to Muslim scum’ and ‘rule Britannia’.”
https://www.irishpost.com/news/revealed-the-irish-face-of-the-english-defence-league-edl-7232

Blogger Robert Browning July 09, 2019 10:47 AM  

Tars Tarkas wrote:Robert Browning wrote:What have Muslims done to the Irish?

Taken them as slaves.

Robinson is not ideal, but he brings attention to a lot of the problems in Britain.

But what this all comes down to is the elite in Britain fear the Muslims and they do not fear the men of Britain.

The whole 'we were afraid of being called racist' excuse for not putting these Muslim pedos in prison for life is a lie. They were afraid of Muslim rioting and violence, while the fathers of the girls did nothing. If the fathers of these girls were men, their daughters wouldn't have been so susceptible to the grooming in the first place, and the Muslims would have been strung up when the fathers found out.


When? In your life time? Do you believe in group guilt and for how long should punishment and retribution endure? Are todays Muslims guilty of the crimes you allege? Or do you believe in the Gospel of Christ? Your choice. Choose wisely.

Blogger Dan in Georgia July 09, 2019 10:48 AM  

The sheer number of AKAs this guy has makes me suspect he is a professional grifter. He has some weird hang ups probably due to divided heritage. Any Irish heritage he has, he rejects. Anyone who identifies as Irish would never run something called the English Defense League. This guy is screwed up. Royally.

Blogger Gen. Kong July 09, 2019 10:51 AM  

English Tom wrote:

@JC Skinner

He is not an English nationalist. He is a Zionist. He proclaimed this himself on many occasions. He's a shabbas goy doing the dirty work for his (((masters))) who are destroying the West.


English Tom is correct. Robinson is fake "opposition" working for the (((very fame folks))) who are busy importing the Musloid rape-gangs into Cuck Island and the rest of Europe, including Ireland while re-writing laws to stop all mention of the activities of both. The Jew-Musloid alliance to destroy Christianity and enslave Christian populations is nothing new and far more extensive than most even here realize. "Robinson" should make Aliya as he certainly could care less about England. Until the English are willing to make the police pay directly for their assistance and complicity in the pedo crimes so that Mr. or Ms. Bobby has less than a 50-50 chance of coming home to dinner alive, this will not change. As we've seen with "Brexit", the Kingdom of Cuck Island is basically a roach hotel for the natives - who don't get to vote themselves out of this.

Blogger Tars Tarkas July 09, 2019 10:55 AM  

Robert Browning wrote:Are todays Muslims guilty of the crimes you allege?

OK then. How about the mass rape of 12YO English girls targeted because they were English and therefore whores and slags?

How about their very presence in the UK? ALL OF THEM need to be deported and sent back to the shitholes they came from.

Blogger Teleros July 09, 2019 10:56 AM  

PVB wrote:Alright, I'm confused. People seems to be condemning Tommy for being a Zionist, yet Vox says he is a Zionist. What am I missing?

From the context, isn't it obvious that Vox is calling Tommy the other (ie bad) kind of Zionist? Look at how Vox approaches the free speech issue for more of this kind of thing (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-three-types-of-free-speech.html). It's almost as if some words & phrases have multiple different meanings...

Blogger Fozzy Bear July 09, 2019 10:56 AM  

Tommy Robinson is a fraud. He posed as a nationalist leader, but he's not willing to fight and he's not even willing to pay the price for his posturing.
Remind me again, which prison you did time in, Vox?

Blogger DeepThought July 09, 2019 10:59 AM  

Vox is 100% right. Tommy has been bankrolled by the Israeli lobby to foment hate against Muslims.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/

Blogger doctrev July 09, 2019 11:00 AM  

Begone, Cuck Bear.

Blogger English Tom July 09, 2019 11:01 AM  

@Gen. Kong

Thanks, and thanks for the link. I rest my case!

Blogger English Tom July 09, 2019 11:03 AM  

@Fozzy Bear

Fozzy your thinking is fuzzy.

Blogger D Zniger July 09, 2019 11:19 AM  

I would love to see a Darkstream about it to understand VD´s position on Tommy.What makes him a fraud, or how does a nationalist behave to get VD´s approval? Should Tommy have gone full Braveheart? Is Tommy just a coward or are there any tell-signs that he is a fraud, which VD sees? Besides having disinvited Owen, which I kind of understood, I don´t see anything.
The evil Lord does what he pleases, but maybe he would be so kind to explain it, dumb it down...

Blogger qualitycontrol July 09, 2019 11:25 AM  

Tommy Robinson is probably a fraud. Or at the very least a coward that doesn't understand the type of game he is playing. That being said, the bans on reporting about migrant crime in Britain are ridiculous and the people behind it are evil. I don't really see the issue in breaking a law that is evidently evil and then protesting against the enforcement.

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 11:28 AM  

Remind me again, which prison you did time in, Vox?

I'm not posing as a nationalist leader, engaging in public shenanigans, or receiving funding from the Middle East Forum and the Gatestone Institute. And I'm not publicly breaking the law and daring the government to prosecute me for it either.

What makes him a fraud.

Receiving funding from think tanks and playing gatekeeper.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov July 09, 2019 11:30 AM  

The original nation of American settlers were those of British stock. If so then isn't Tommy the closest one can get to an American, that hasn't been born to two British descendants on American soil?

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 11:33 AM  

The original nation of American settlers were those of British stock. If so then isn't Tommy the closest one can get to an American, that hasn't been born to two British descendants on American soil?

No. He's Irish.

Blogger MATT July 09, 2019 11:35 AM  

I am a bit behind. What did Tommy do to expose himself as a fraud?

Blogger Yordan Yordanov July 09, 2019 11:37 AM  

@59 In that case I retract my statement.

Blogger Sherlock July 09, 2019 11:38 AM  

What he did with Owen is pretty revealing.

Blogger D Zniger July 09, 2019 11:44 AM  

Middle East Forum and the Gatestone Institute

Is there a certainty that receiving money from these institutions is bound to any orders? He has no regular job and a family to feed.

If he would be a nationalist leader, than I admit VD is right. Being a Pole I understand how one has to behave and to endure as a nationalist. But maybe Tommy is just an activist? I never saw him as a leader.

Blogger peacefulposter July 09, 2019 11:47 AM  

Tommy's fighting and drinking skills would indicate that he does indeed have some Irish blood in him.

Blogger DeepThought July 09, 2019 11:48 AM  

@Monotonous Languor "Luke warm support for Israel"?
1. He changed his name to look more British
2. His financing is 100% Jewish
3. He foments hate against a people who respect Jesus Christ as a prophet, paid by people who think Jesus Christ is a fraud and is burning in a sea of filth.

You are clueless.

Blogger JC Skinner July 09, 2019 11:51 AM  

At the risk of repeating myself, Tommy Robinson is not Irish. He was born in England, has spent most of his life in a series of English nationalist organisations, holds a British passport, and has never to my knowledge even visited Ireland.
He is also a Zionist, a political position that in Ireland is unknown outside the Israeli embassy.

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 11:51 AM  

Is there a certainty that receiving money from these institutions is bound to any orders?

That's irrelevant.

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 11:54 AM  

At the risk of repeating myself, Tommy Robinson is not Irish. He was born in England, has spent most of his life in a series of English nationalist organisations, holds a British passport, and has never to my knowledge even visited Ireland.

This is the wrong place to try to sell fake paper nationalism. We're not a bunch of Boomer civnats here. Nationality is DNA, not geography or paperwork.

Blogger Tars Tarkas July 09, 2019 11:55 AM  

I don't think Tommy portrays himself as a nationalist. He is always crowing about how he himself is the son of an immigrant and that all of his mates are immigrants and black.

Britain is such a black pill that people end up seeing something that isn't there. The establishment in Britain is so cucked and so anti-British that even an Irish immigrant who loves talking about all the great black immigrants and Jews ends up attracting the attention of people who are more nationalist. They end up greatly disappointed.

From what I can gather, Tommy didn't actually break this law. He was reading from the BBC. The names and addresses of the muzzies was already in public. The courts didn't have the gag order posted on their website or at the door of the court house.

He says he has been contacted multiple times by British secret police and has been made offers to make all of his legal problems go away if he becomes an informant. He turned them down. He may be a cuck, but if this is true, he's got a spine of steel.

Blogger DeepThought July 09, 2019 12:01 PM  

To those arguing against Vox. Do us all a favor and tell us when has he been wrong when he identifies a fraud?

Jordan Peterson
John Scalzi
Tommy Robinson

The list is long and yet in the end Vox is always right. In this one area, Vox seems to have a 6th sense when identifying frauds. Couple this with his analytical skills and together this makes him formidable.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 09, 2019 12:04 PM  

If death is all they have to offer, you flee, fight until finality, or are captured by sheer exhaustion.

That's why I said IF you set yourself up to be punished in the first place. If you're going to flee and fight to the end, that's great, but then fight smart in the first place. Don't walk into the tyrant's stronghold and moon him if you're not trying to martyr yourself.

Blogger JC Skinner July 09, 2019 12:09 PM  

Vox, Tommy has never once in his entire life espoused anything which indicated an interest in Ireland or a support of Irish interests. He's no fifth gen Boston boomer, drunk on imported Guinness and hoary old ballads about the oul sod. He's like any other person in the British Isles whose parents moved from one region to another.
What many people outside the British Isles don't tend to realise, largely because it isn't replicated elsewhere, especially in the New World, is the layering of identities here. For some people the overarching British identity is everything. For others, the region or city is their identity. The loudest of the non-British identities tend to be the constituent national identities, especially some Scots, but it's only a part of the picture.
Tommy tends to migrate between Britishness and Englishness. Mostly, his activity has been in opposition to Islam. Notably his Football Army march contained many Black Britons, quite deliberately. Tommy has never indicated any affiliation or interest in an Irish regional identity, quite the opposite.
I don't doubt someone is playing him, though I don't particularly know (or care) who. And I've no problem with him going to jail. He got warned often enough.

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 12:10 PM  

What he did with Owen is pretty revealing.

Consider:

1. He disinvited Owen because Owen's comedy routine would be too dangerous for him.

2. He then disobeyed an English judge's court order again, in public, and is now claiming that his life is at risk.

Does that really add up for you?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 09, 2019 12:10 PM  

Even if TR were a genuine Englishman and not a ``Briton,'' he would not be one of us. He's no Englishman. Wish him well, and keep him out.

Blogger D Zniger July 09, 2019 12:12 PM  

It hurts. I just gave up on Tommy and in my secret hopes into him. VD is merciless, but he is right. You don´t take money from these think tanks - end of discussion. Even if he is just an activist, there are people how see him as a leader, and I have to admit that secretly I had the hope he would become one. In VD´s words: this is irrelevant, if he is just an activist or a false leader. He takes the energy and the enthusiasm which otherwise would go to a real leader. So he is a gatekeeper. And he was on parole and did play with fire. Maybe one can argue it was not a crime, but if someone is on parole you have to think twice. And if I break a law as leader, then I do it with all my heart and take the consequences.
It really hurts, but he is a gatekeeper, regardless if he does all of this knowingly or not. Damn it, and as real nationalist he would go with full force ahead, instead of going for asylum in any other country.
It is a nice example of the IQ difference. It takes VD one moment and he has the right answer. I need worlds longer and have not the peace of mind declaring Tommy a gatekeeper.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl July 09, 2019 12:14 PM  

There's a GOOD kind of Zionism? Help me out, pls.
I cannot imagine a good Zionism.

Blogger doctrev July 09, 2019 12:15 PM  

VD wrote:What he did with Owen is pretty revealing.

Consider:

1. He disinvited Owen because Owen's comedy routine would be too dangerous for him.

2. He then disobeyed an English judge's court order again, in public, and is now claiming that his life is at risk.

Does that really add up for you?


Classic. This is the last word anyone needs on Tommy Robinson.

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 12:15 PM  

Vox, Tommy has never once in his entire life espoused anything which indicated an interest in Ireland or a support of Irish interests.

That tends to raise some obvious questions about the Irishness of his "Irish" immigrant parents. And British Isles civnattery is no more viable than US or French civnattery. Hence the successful third world invasions.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl July 09, 2019 12:26 PM  

See, I knew nothing about the Benjamin issue, I have been working from TR's own words, his constant refrain of wanting more "good" immigrants like the Sikh, the Africans, etc. As well as his 900 times of kissing Israel's a$$, wearing Star of David & Mossad shirts, etc.
I have to admit in tracing back my ancestry to the 1500s, I did find on potato no&&er, I guess my ancestor didn't know any better at the time, plus she was a very beautiful flame haired lass, so I get it.
That said, TR has the most potato nog face, ever.
Sorry, chaps. It's a dead giveaway that those roots are deep.

Blogger Cylinder July 09, 2019 12:26 PM  

I'm torn between whether he's a fraud or just really stupid and in over his head.

Blogger DeepThought July 09, 2019 12:30 PM  

@Fozzy Bear The simple fact is that he is financed by Jews from Israel. Plus Tommy's love of "approved" immigrants clearly shows Vox is 100% correct.

Tommy is an approved gatekeeper.

Blogger JC Skinner July 09, 2019 12:31 PM  

Yes, VD, it certainly does. There are British people in Ireland, seven figures worth of them, mostly located in the north, for example. There are Irish people in Britain. There are Scots in Ireland who loathe the concept of Britain but firmly consider themselves Scottish. There are Yorkshire people in London who openly opine to all that in their opinion, they're on foreign soil. Likewise with Cornish in the North, Scousers anywhere outside Merseyside, and so on.
Some of the Irish who moved to Britain, especially those who moved in his parent's era, were the sort to echo the "Boston-Irish" attitude of acting like a colony abroad. But a lot more did not, and simply settled in with no difference than if they had come from Glasgow, Cornwall or Manchester moving to another part of the island.
The entire concept of the UK has always been a mess (and largely an imperial adventure on behalf of Southern English landed gentry), ever since 1169, 1609, 1707, or whatever date you prefer. These islands are a collective of regional identities with varying strengths. The English identity, being especially disparate, is especially weak. People here are afraid to even fly the George's flag for goodness' sake.
In short, the UK is itself possibly the earliest ever example of civnattery, which was a cover story for a medieval early imperialism. It will either come apart at the seams, into a Balkanisation of microstates, or else congeal in collective defence against third world immivasion. I'd say right now it's a toss up which occurs.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 09, 2019 12:32 PM  

VD wrote:Does that really add up for you?

Sounds like a helpless, hapless dummy, thrashing about without a plan. He's on track to be murdered by muzzies acting with the connivance of the Brit ruling class, and that fits with hapless idiot.

He might also be a Judas goat, who will be in and out of trouble and danger without ever actually getting hurt. That could keep a great many potential nationalists away from effective leadership.

It could be both: he might be a helpless idiot who is too useful to the ruling class to let the muzzies actually kill him - yet.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 09, 2019 12:35 PM  

I'd like to see what you would do if you were about to go into a jail system infested by Muslims that hate you.
I'm not dumb enough to go to jail like Tommy is.
So already I have a leg up on that round head.
If England is as bad as Tommy claims, then he's better served not being a self undermining nitwit, and getting his family out of there asap.
Either the nation isn't a lost cause or it is.
He can't simultaneously fight for England, and then leave when it benefits him to do so.

Blogger D Zniger July 09, 2019 12:36 PM  

@83. JC Skinner

Liked your take and espescially the last part. The word immivasion would sound better as just imvasion though.

Blogger doctrev July 09, 2019 12:40 PM  

Holy church bells, I don't know if I need to listen to more of his livestreams, but Owen was going off in 568. "Yeah, that's a Jew with balls!" I don't know about anyone else, but I respect anyone- Jew, minority, Milo, whatever- with the balls to stand up for Americans. Which means they risk themselves, and actually lose something, just to get the truth out. If anything, the sheer number of American castrati that don't FIGHT for their people is part of the reason that gatekeepers have any traction whatsoever. If there was a supply of smart men with strong minds who never give in to their own pride and folly, gatekeepers would be even less credible than they are now.

Mad respect to Owen and his Jewish bud. If Tommy was this tough and ready to take the consequences to save similar ingrates, I would tell anyone who spoke ill of him to go fuck themselves. To their face.

Blogger xevious2030 July 09, 2019 12:42 PM  

"is now claiming that his life is at risk"

He sounds like someone that did not expect real consequence, like an SJW. But then civNat is the gateway drug to SJW, down the generations.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon July 09, 2019 12:43 PM  

@3

"He is Irish. The Irish are the henchmen for the Jews."

He claims to be Jewish by descent, so he is not Irish.

Irish are generally victims of Jews. After Cromwell's invasion, Jews received grants of land in payment for their financial support. Many Jews headed over to Ireland as a result, and participated in the manufactured famines. Coincidentally, they also owned the slave plantations in Barbados that received Irish and Royalist slave labour.


"Robinson is stirring up anti-Muslim sentiment for the Jews."

Pointing out Muslim gang rapes is a good thing. Besides, the Jews were the ones who opened the floodgates. Miliband, Roche, etc etc.

"What have Muslims done to the Irish?"

They're beginning to do the same thing that they are doing in the UK. Gang rape, massive welfare utilization, desecrating churches, and outbreeding the indigenous.

Blogger xevious2030 July 09, 2019 12:46 PM  

“Don't walk into the tyrant's stronghold and moon him if you're not trying to martyr yourself.” No s—t. Yep. Adds to the fraud category.

Nothing in this (below) is a request/advocacy for support. We individually support who/what we support, for our reasons, and do not for same.

The UK and the US both have populations that have been conditioned against meaningful action, and both are in dire need of a leadership to change that. Is TR the person for that in the UK? No. But any potential leadership has the opportunity (if it so decides) to use the caricature without placing itself in the dependence of the character of the caricature. Does not require intervention on the behalf either. Plenty of room to call out on crap. Trump cucks to the courts on the handling of the invasion. Jared Kushner, as a word too. But that does not mean he is cast to the winds? No, it only means the people need an additional leadership that will not stop at words, but will lead them to ensure their future, beyond words, regardless of the challenge. That Trump needs an army, not for Trump, but for itself. That this is bigger than one person, perfect or imperfect. Same over there.

Blogger freddie_mac July 09, 2019 12:48 PM  

@51 Deep Thought
Tommy has been bankrolled by the Israeli lobby to foment hate against Muslims.

Ohh, so Muslims in the UK aren't running rape/trafficking gangs targeting UK children -- glad to know that Rotherham, et al. was just a lie.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

As Avalanche pointed out on an earlier thread, who else is making noise about these children who are raped by Muslim gangs, and then by the UK legal system? There's Melanie Shaw, who (IIRC) has been locked in a mental hospital, Tommy Robinson, and ???
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/who-is-melanie-shaw-2381898

Seems to me that the vast majority of the UK doesn't care about systematic abuse of children by immigrants and authorities.

Regardless, I'm tired of this reflexive "come to the US" whenever people are being mistreated in their own countries. Either stay there an fight, or (in the case of imminent death) go to the nearest safe country. Do not come here!

Blogger Teleros July 09, 2019 12:51 PM  

HouellebecqGurl wrote:There's a GOOD kind of Zionism? Help me out, pls.

I cannot imagine a good Zionism.

"Jews should have a homeland of their own" or "Israel exists & has a right to exist", basically. Think of it is Jewish nationalism, identical in every respect to French, Japanese or whatever nationalism.

If nothing else, it's harder to kick people out of your country when they have nowhere to go.

Blogger Mr Smith July 09, 2019 1:05 PM  

Has anyone attempted to sell Zionist bathwater to these Judeo-Christians? I'm sure authentic women of the IDF bathwater, would easily sell to old Boomer conservative cucks for $50, for a 12 oz bottle.

Blogger Andrew Brown July 09, 2019 1:06 PM  

Second that.

Vox is an iconoclast with a perfect track record. Not to mention he's gone after people who are much more deceptive, TRs case is clear cut.

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 1:09 PM  

@27 "As he is dealing with dishonorable perverts, he should have known that his path is going to end with being killed in prison."

So, acting like the good conservatives in the U.S., he should just mewl and let them destroy his country? What, we're supposed to ALLOW the dishonorable perverts run the place?! Are you up for letting Epstein out of jail then? Guess Wm Wallace should've just shut up and let the English destroy the Scots? IRA should've just gone along to get along?

Yeah, Maybe Tommy is too soon -- and too uneducated/aware -- to be the RIGHT guy; you got anyone ELSE to try to stop the moslem juggernaut?! Nope, thought not.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 09, 2019 1:11 PM  

freddie_mac wrote:@51 Deep Thought

Tommy has been bankrolled by the Israeli lobby to foment hate against Muslims.

Ohh, so Muslims in the UK aren't running rape/trafficking gangs targeting UK children -- glad to know that Rotherham, et al. was just a lie.


Don't be an idiot. ``Tommy is an agent of a foreign power'' doesn't contradict ``Tommy has been telling the truth about evil mohammedans.''

Blogger Joe Smith July 09, 2019 1:12 PM  

@Ransom Smith We'll see. Maybe people here are saying Tommy basically deserves what he'll get in a British jail because he "broke" the law or whatever. I call BS on that. Getting killed by a bunch of Muzzies because you wanted to expose pedophiles gang raping a bunch of 11-14 yr old girls seems unfair to me. And the "I wouldn't go to jail" claim is weird. The state can always toss you in jail on whatever pretext it likes. But maybe in Tommy's case it won't even come to that because he's useful as a punching bag to ward off real nationalists.

My view of Tommy is that he's a stupid person that can and has been easily be used, not that he's a deeply bad gatekeeper (someone like Shapiro, say). Maybe I'm wrong though. Vox sure seems to think so.

Blogger Joe Smith July 09, 2019 1:12 PM  

@97 Maybe = many.

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 1:13 PM  

@35 "I’m not saying that American police are incapable of caving if a large enough mob forms, but I have hard time seeing them give up the town"

Portland, Berkley, D.C., Charlottesville, ANYwhere antifa and BLM show up? Anywhere the muzzies want to force their version of reality on any locality? What is necessary for you to call it 'giving up the town'?

The police there are not even threatened by a large enough mob; they're just protecting their pensions.

Blogger DonReynolds July 09, 2019 1:13 PM  

In two seemingly unrelated articles, I noticed an opportunity for a mutually beneficial trade (or prisoner exchange, if you will) between the USA and the UK.

Jeffrey Epstein would thrive in the UK. He could probably give lessons to the Muslim Grooming Gangs and tips on how to involve high society and officialdom.

Tommy Robinson could get a job with the media covering the invasion over the Mexican border. He does not understand the nature of boundaries, any more than Jeffrey Epstein, but he does know what negative consequences come from rapefugees and savages invading your home country.

Yeah, let Epstein sing like a bird to deserve a swap, but we need to arrange it before Tommy is hacked to death with a machette. Robinson's enemies are more violent and Epstein's enemies are more wealthy and well-connected in the government.

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 1:17 PM  

@41 "If the fathers of these girls were men, their daughters wouldn't have been so susceptible to the grooming in the first place, and the Muslims would have been strung up when the fathers found out."

One father tried, invaded a house to 'rescue' his drugged child -- and the police ARRESTED HIM! Did nothing about taking the little girl out of the house -- or even telling the muzzies to knock it off. They arrested the father and took him away. Made quite the example for the other fathers, eh?

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 1:21 PM  

Adios, Fozzy Bear. You're banned.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 09, 2019 1:21 PM  

"Asians"

I think it's becoming obvious where the Narnia world's Calormenes came from, even if C.S. Lewis himself didn't know.

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 1:23 PM  

@47 "Robinson is fake "opposition" working for the (((very fame folks)))... re-writing laws to stop all mention of the activities of both."

So, Tommy is a shill for the folks re-writing laws to work AGAINST Tommy!? What: he volunteered to be test case for (((their))) laws against the VERY THING they have him doing?! Even unto death? Does that make sense?

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 1:25 PM  

@51 "Tommy has been bankrolled by the Israeli lobby to foment hate against Muslims."

Riiiiight, cause, you know, RAPING and TORTURING THOUSANDS of little girls of your own people is certainly NOT any reason to hate muzzies... "Muzzies is our frens!" NOT!!

Blogger VFM #7634 July 09, 2019 1:25 PM  

@Avalanche

Lots of people are ardently pro-Jewish when they have absolutely no reason to be. I don't think Tommy O'Robinson is at all unusual in this regard.

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 1:26 PM  

My view of Tommy is that he's a stupid person that can and has been easily be used, not that he's a deeply bad gatekeeper (someone like Shapiro, say). Maybe I'm wrong though. Vox sure seems to think so.

I doubt he's a Shapiro-level gatekeeper, much less a WFB/JBP-style one. Perhaps he is just stupid and being used, all I know is that he is a paid gatekeeper and not a genuine English nationalist willing to defend England.

One father tried, invaded a house to 'rescue' his drugged child -- and the police ARRESTED HIM! Did nothing about taking the little girl out of the house -- or even telling the muzzies to knock it off. They arrested the father and took him away. Made quite the example for the other fathers, eh?

BFD. Did the soldiers on D-Day give up on Normandy after the Germans shot the first Allied soldier trying to get to the beach?

One thing that has become eminently clear is that nations merit their fates. As the Athenians said, the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 09, 2019 1:31 PM  

Gatekeepers. What really fuels gatekeepers? The core fuel is boomers. And I'm thinking more of the proverbial boomer than the chronological boomer.
Think about it. Some old boomer once, while defending state level GOP corruption, tried to play an experience card on me and tell me "I still have the shoes I was using marching for pro life back in 1973!" .
What a failure, I thought.
The job of the gatekeeper is to make sure everybody gets to read articles all day or see video clips and get that dopamine rush - kind of like the left and their 2 minute hate think of it as another facet of virtue signalling - and otherwise NOTHING else gets done. So we get same old same old year after year after year.
Or I could be wrong. We get what looks like same old same old but there is always that slide leftward one thing at a time. Because the left also has gatekeepers who won't let them go "Full Mao" overnight.
The fuel of the gatekeepers, or what makes them effective, is boomerism. Why? Boomers don't want to do anything that might cost them their concourse-resto '68 Charger or their RV and bass boat. After all, if we accelerated, that camping trip might have to get cancelled.
"Oh! So you want to resort to violence!!!" says the scared wide-eyed boomer.
It's already getting violent. But ignoring that and watching Ben Shapiro "destroy" stupid college students on the internet is not going to solve one damned thing.
That's the test for gatekeepers: What do REALLY accomplish. Yes there's Razorfist and his glorious rants and Karl Benjamin who should have been a documentarian and would be great at it. But after all that, what's accomplished? Entertaining yes. But you never get that time back.
Now you look at guys like Vox, Cerno, Owen, Roosh, even Trump, and others. They are not gatekeepers. And no, they don't have us picking up rifles - so calm down boomers you can go fishing now. That's not the point. Wars are not won with rifles. Wars are won before the rifles are loaded.
England has every right to take to arms and completely route the invaders out. More so than the United States. I would even wager that the game is so different for the two nations that a purely British solution would not work likewise for America - the latter having deeper roots in what is not so homogeneous such that a battle would be a long term solution. In the USA we are stuck between "What do we do with these people" and "What about meeeeeeeeeeeee?" and I don't see a solution readily solved with "action". But England, and Europe in general, has not reached extinction event level and actually started out racially and ethnically homogeneous.
So from my opinion, Tommy would have Britain pretty much just giving him money and going to his rallies for years and years, while the cancer spreads without real challenge. Just like Ben Shapiro would have everybody watching his videos and shaking their fists "serves that college feminist right!" - while the neocons spend our blood and treasures on wars and the leftist get their butter and replace us anyway.

By the way, if one is to ask "What has Owen done for you lately?". I gotta say, he did get me thinking. Jews and Islam mainly. His redpill is atomic, just like when Vox implied once that the Civil Right act of 1964 only allowed blacks to be what they are naturally inclined to be. You see, I realized that Jews hate Muslims because they are the only religion left that still has respect for Jesus. Yeah there are pockets of orthodoxy to hate, like in Russia, which a President Hillary would have been trying to nuke by now. But now, the pattern is apparent. Christianity has refused Christ, Muslims still respect him and act with a modicum of logos. I can't shake this redpill.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 09, 2019 1:35 PM  

you wanted to expose pedophiles gang raping a bunch of 11-14 yr old girls
Do you think the Brits really don't know? Willful ignorance doesn't mean total ignorance.
The sheer scale of something like Rotherham makes it impossible that the average Brit wasn't in some way knowledgeable.
So what he did changed nothing, and if anything put his family at risk as a result.

Blogger rumpole5 July 09, 2019 1:42 PM  

Brilliant!

Blogger wahsatchmo July 09, 2019 1:46 PM  

Off topic: RUBBLE BOUNCED

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 1:47 PM  

@75 "He takes the energy and the enthusiasm which otherwise would go to a real leader. "

And you believe, somehow, Tommy PREVENTS this "real leader" from showing up!? How many times lately has a delta or bravo shown up here at VP, asking for advice since they have been put into, or had to take on, an alpha position? NO ONE ELSE in Britain, Scotland, or England has stood up or shown any inclination to stand up about this invasion and destruction.

Tommy is not smart enough or educated enough to be able to thread this minefield and avoid subversion by the (((money))) or protection: and Ezra Levant HAS been protection because he has a large enough microphone. Would there have been ANY world-wide protests of Tommy's jailing without that (((megaphone)))? Would not Tommy have been killed by the muzzies after the "Brits" moved him into a majority-muz prison -- if NOT for the attention of the world being directed at them?

What group on the right has been providing money enough to allow Tommy to stay in the public eye, rather than going back to work at some gas station or something? And "Deep Thought" it's NOT just jews sending money. I sent money; lots of NON-jews sent money... I'm angry that Tommy, whom we ALL agree is not smart, got taken by sleaze-gays, but millions of people get taken by crooks.

Blogger xevious2030 July 09, 2019 1:49 PM  

Themistocles.

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 1:50 PM  

"Tommy's love of "approved" immigrants "


Gee, JUST EXACTLY like our very own God Emperor, Donald J. Trump.

I HATE that President Trump keeps saying that stupid destructive civnat crap, but he does... does that make HIM a fraud we should allow the muzzies to kill?

Blogger Brett baker July 09, 2019 1:51 PM  

What happens when the cops are ordered to stand down?

Blogger rumpole5 July 09, 2019 1:56 PM  

"Nationality is DNA, not geography or paperwork." If this is true I don't see how the USA is a nation, and I don't see how it ever could be. Additional query: are the Swiss a nation in any sense?

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 1:57 PM  

If this is true I don't see how the USA is a nation, and I don't see how it ever could be.

It's not.

Additional query: are the Swiss a nation in any sense?

No, they are a confederation of nations.

Blogger cloom July 09, 2019 1:57 PM  

@107 Demoting Jesus Christ is what Freemasons, Deists, Gnostics and Jehovah Witness do and the consequence of that heresy is to elevate themselves, deliberately like sons and daughters of God of equal power and responsibility, or inadvertently with an untoward yoke of responsibility, in His place. So let's not elevate Muslims as if they are nearly correct. They are very wrong and dangerous in their certainty.

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 1:58 PM  

I HATE that President Trump keeps saying that stupid destructive civnat crap, but he does... does that make HIM a fraud we should allow the muzzies to kill?

Obviously not, because he doesn't pretend to be anything but what he is.

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 2:01 PM  

@106 VD: As the Athenians said, the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must.

My husband used to ask: "are you willing to commit an atrocity or suffer one?"

I used to argue there HAD to be a third way. But no, there doesn't have to be a third way, and often, maybe usually, there isn't.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 09, 2019 2:02 PM  

Avalanche, you get an idea in your head, and no amount of logic, dialectic, or facts, will sway you. You just keep screaming. And screaming. And screaming.

Blogger Aurelius Gomez July 09, 2019 2:16 PM  

Look no further than Tommy's enemies than to know what side he is on. He wants to save his family. He is braver than anyone on this site.

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 2:19 PM  

@107 "Muslims still respect him and act with a modicum of logos."

Oh, so THAT explains the muzzies defecating in Christian churches in France and Germany, and smashing Christian statues, and breaking out the stained glass windows. Notre Dame, anyone remember? Oh, and BEHEADING an old Catholic priest! It's cause they SO respect Jesus and HIS religion, Christianity... Hmmmm, somehow there's a good reason for NOT fighting them tooth and nail?!?

I start seeing folks here and in the chat and comments at Darkstreams using Owen's terms and concepts... repeating stuff Owen has said. Accepting and spreading things, either as jokes (planting seeds of acceptance? -- is that not wizardry?) or as if they accept it as real.

Owen is going off less-than-half-cocked with his 'PBUH' towards everyone and anyone whom he THINKS tells the truth. He does NOT look into the bases of his latest rants beyond, "oh, I like THIS thing someone said, so therefore the WHOLE edifice must be good."

WHY do people now falling into his not-yet-fully formed ideas and concepts FORGET that moslems are 100% DEDICATED to the destruction of Christianity? Why does Owen keep thinking because he read one truth in something, or talked to ONE member of a group who says stuff Owen likes, that there's not such a thing as Taquiyah -- that LIES, interspersed with just enough truth to keep the lies hidden, come NOT from Jesus, but from the Prince of Lies!

And Owen, with his thousands of followers being whipsawed back and forth between this group, that group; this information, that information; this acceptable then unacceptable, then different-and-acceptable... is not providing ENOUGH truth in his rants. Or the full truth, or NOT lies along with the truth.

I listened to him suggesting that we should NOT dislike muzzies because they accept and respect Jesus as a prophet and the son of God. Whereas we should dislike jews for saying Jesus is boiling in a vat of excrement. The muzzies do NOT accept Jesus as the son of God, and their book may say they respect him as a prophet, but that does NOT mean they will not outlaw Christianity unless dhimmi, and behead those who refuse. But Owen is charging ahead with that support for muzzies.

And folks over here are starting to echo some of it. I'd suggest too much of it!

Blogger Mark Stoval July 09, 2019 2:21 PM  

This thread reminds me of two things.

1) We should not let our idea of perfect be the enemy of the merely good. Or even the enemy of the half-assed trying to do good.

2) People are forever getting banned and I don't know what they did. Makes me wonder if I am doing the same.

3) As the West is crumbling into depravity of unbelievable proportions, the evil ones want pedophilia to become the norm. Bastards.

Note: Seems I can't count anymore.

Blogger Sherlock July 09, 2019 2:26 PM  

Exactly,Vox.

Blogger Aurelius Gomez July 09, 2019 2:32 PM  

Tommy is not perfect but he is in the ring while the summer soldiers call him coward and question his motives...

Blogger Aurelius Gomez July 09, 2019 2:35 PM  

"Tommy is a coward because he doesn't want to die in prison after languishing for months worried beyond comprehension about the family he loves" - Sunshine Patriot Brigade

Blogger Sherlock July 09, 2019 2:39 PM  

It's right there in Muslim eschatology that they fully intend to dominate this world. Some do it through violent conquest, others through "peaceful" migration. Same end.

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2019 2:42 PM  

@120 "no amount of logic, dialectic, or facts, will sway you"

"Tommy is fraud," repeated over and over is NOT any amount of logic, dialectic, or fact. "Tommy is Irish not English" is a contested fact, but doesn't sway me at all -- as both Ireland AND England are being destroyed. All the "Britain needs a better/different leader and it's Tommy fault there isn't one" is ALSO not logic, dialectic, or fact. "Tommy is a Zionist" doesn't seem like it should sway me when he's the only one standing up against the rapists.

"Tommy takes jew money, therefore he is a fraud." I suppose we could say that since 3/4 or more of U.S. pols takes jew-money, therefore they are all frauds. THAT I could actually buy as logic and fact! Candace Owens takes American conservative money: does that count a jew-money in whole or in part and should she be in jeopardy of her life?

Geez, I may be convincing myself out of my position just on the money-thing. BUT, the pols and Candace Owens ARE sleazebag grifters; I find it very hard to see that in Tommy -- you have to be pretty smart to
run such a scam on the populace. Corollary? He's not.

Vox has said, and I believe him, that at some point I will (paraphrasing) 'come to see the light' and recognize Tommy is not merely inadequate to the job, but actually a fraud. I'm arguing because I'm LOOKING for the "logic, dialectic, or facts" that will convince me. I see lots of slurs and insults, and "he deserves it for breaking the law" Really? Should we still be a Brit colony?

If, 'by your fruits ye shall know them'; then the major fruit I see is that, without Tommy, there would be ANOTHER TWENTY-PLUS YEARS of, and SEVERAL THOUSAND MORE child rapes and everyone who is supposed to protect them still and forever hiding behind "I don't wanna be called a racist!"

NO ONE ELSE was getting this story out! Whose "fruit" do we consider?

Blogger xevious2030 July 09, 2019 2:42 PM  

"People are forever getting banned"
From what I have seen, most of the people getting banned are not mindful that this is Vox's house, his blog. Agree, disagree, this is not our house. And the ones I have seen do not seem to temper themselves to this fact.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 09, 2019 2:49 PM  

David Ray Milton wrote:I’m not saying that American police are incapable of caving if a large enough mob forms, but I have hard time seeing them give up the town, so to speak.

Avalanche wrote:Portland, Berkley, D.C., Charlottesville, ANYwhere antifa and BLM show up?

The city cops get paid by the city fathers, who find Antifa and BLM profitable. The decision to give up the town has nothing to do with the cops.

Blogger Joe Smith July 09, 2019 2:58 PM  

@128 I basically see it the same way you do. Tommy threw up the flag on the mass rape of children. He might personally be stupid, or a civnat, or whatever, but he did do that. I'm not sure why people want to try to take that from him. Almost everyone else stayed quiet, but Tommy didn't.

Calling Tommy a fraud is fine, he seems to be at least partially a fraud, since he doesn't really have an understanding of what the word "nationalist" means while claiming he's a nationalist. But at least give the guy his due while condemning him. There's levels of fraudulence; he's just a confused dumb guy that didn't like the fact that Islam was rolling through his town. So he can't see the Wizard behind the curtain. He's not the first.

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 2:58 PM  

Tommy is not perfect but he is in the ring while the summer soldiers call him coward and question his motives...

He's not in the ring. And he's not willing to get in the metaphorical ring or take the punishment it involves.

He is braver than anyone on this site.

Bullshit. He's proven himself to be a coward twice that I've seen, and I pay him almost no attention at all. Tommy completely cucked; he's willing to criticize Muslims, but not the Jews who import them. He even tries to shut down those who do.

"Tommy is fraud," repeated over and over is NOT any amount of logic, dialectic, or fact.

Tommy is a fraud. That is a fact. He will not criticize, or even permit to be criticized, the very people who created the situation he is supposedly protesting.

How do you not understand that? What is not logic, dialectic, or fact is shrieking, over and over, WHAT ABOUT THE POOR CHILLUNS OVER THERE.

Blogger Aurelius Gomez July 09, 2019 2:59 PM  

"The decision to give up the town has nothing to with the cops"

This logic didn't hold up too well at Nuremburg.

Blogger VD July 09, 2019 3:00 PM  

So he can't see the Wizard behind the curtain.

If he couldn't see the Wizard, he wouldn't have disinvited Owen for criticizing the Wizard. He is one of the Wizard's bought-and-paid-for tools. That is why he is a fraud.

Blogger steb July 09, 2019 3:02 PM  

Donald Trump wraps himself in the Israeli flag at every opportunity, and Nigel Farage was at a Turning Points rally with Charlie Kirk just last week. A lot of people I respect have it in for TR, so perhaps there are things happening under the radar that I don't know about, but at the moment it seems like another case of the rich getting judged according to their virtues while the poor get judged according to their faults.

Blogger sammibandit July 09, 2019 3:05 PM  

Av, remember the other day when I said women must never even give the appearance of goading men they aren't yoked to? You're awfully close to that again.

Stupidity is not a virtue. Never has been, never will be. You cannot defend Tommy by noting he is stupid. It just underscores the point made by his critics.

No one cares about your internal thought processes on this issue.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 09, 2019 3:13 PM  

Avalanche wrote:NO ONE ELSE in Britain, Scotland, or England has stood up or shown any inclination to stand up about this invasion and destruction.

No one else has stood up and gotten media attention. That is a damning fact right there. TR gets loads of media attention, of the ``ooh look scary rayciss'' sort. Whatever his intent, he has become a boogeyman for the ruling class to use to scare the normies.

Ann Barnhardt has talked about outrage porn, about stirring folks up for the adrenaline rush rather than for action. It accomplishes nothing except generating clicks and contributions. Whatever his intent, TR's shit-stirring has amounted to nothing more than outrage porn. Hapless idiot or Judas goat, I don't see that he has done anything that will actually change anything.

Thousands who should be looking for some way to act have found TR, and acted by supporting him. There are others there who could be leading, and others who could be following leaders, who are being distracted by outrage porn. They think they're acting, but they aren't acting usefully, aren't acting in ways that will change the situation. If the ruling class finds TR useful, that's why.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 09, 2019 3:17 PM  

Aurelius Gomez wrote:"The decision to give up the town has nothing to with the cops"

This logic didn't hold up too well at Nuremburg.


Very true. They are just following evil orders, knowing that they are evil. The orders are still not their decision, even if they share the guilt for obeying them.

Blogger D Zniger July 09, 2019 3:19 PM  

By dissecting Tommy in this thread thoroughly I now have a good idea why he is not a leader and is a fraud. But how does a nationalist leader look like for VD? Obviously everything Tommy is not, but beyond that? Is it admissible to take one enemy after the other. Can a leader leave the bad jews for the time being and go after the muslims first, or is it already treason and cucking in VD`s eyes? I am almost afraid that a man who is accepted by VD is a dream to good to be true.

Blogger xevious2030 July 09, 2019 3:22 PM  

A fraud is not necessarily one who is intentionally deceitful. It is also applied to one who does not live up to expectations. It is humanly understandable TR does not want to walk into what may be death. He would be a fool to do so in this instance. But he can not both be a leader, and run, not as a man. Withdraw to fight yes. When Persia came, Athens ran. But they ran for a better vantage to fight, and with Sparta, they pushed Persia back with blood and loss of life. Through violence and fighting. To remove that as legitimate, when there is a battle of conquest, slow or fast, to abandon force to a hostile monopoly, is not leading. The whole Gandhi thing was a fraud, the British could have destroyed, as they did to begin with in conquest, but instead, it allowed a fraud. He runs because he does not lead.

But yes, he did do more than most.

Blogger Primus Pilus July 09, 2019 3:27 PM  

Aurelius Gomez wrote:Look no further than Tommy's enemies than to know what side he is on. He wants to save his family. He is braver than anyone on this site.

Even if he were brave, being brave doesn't preclude one from being used as a tool of the West's enemies. For example, see all fighting men in the US Military.

Blogger Andrew Brown July 09, 2019 3:37 PM  

@Avalanche I've got two things for you Avalanche.

First, what I took from Owens stream talking about Muzzies was really to evangelise to them. We can find that common ground, show love to them, respect them while pointing out errors in their religion. The Muslims are indoctrinated, maybe showing them and their prophet love and respect is a good way to open dialogue, plant seeds, help them see what Islam is. Of course we all remember Islam calls for our destruction, all our enemies do, they hated our Lord first. But we ought to love them.

And regarding the x amount of years and rapes and those who are meant to protect them are hiding. I live in Dumbarton in Scotland, it's a small town on the outskirts of Glasgow and my "scheme" or neighbourhood is in the West hills (Brucehill, Castlhill and Westcliff). I've lived here almost my whole life. This whole Britain is lost, we are fallen, even heard Scotland is a commie heaven - it's complete nonsense. There definitely has been an increase in Pakis (we still call them Pakis, like they also do) but they are not a problem to my community, not yet anyway. Hell, they're pretty much scared of us natives. Majority of pedos here are natives, and trust me, it's common Scottish culture to attack pedos on sight. My cousin just done 9 months for beating a pedo. I've done in a pedo before with some guys in my community, ran him out of his home. Also, last month there was a conflict at my local shop, this woman was arguing with a big old dude, had long white hair and she started shouting "you're a f**king beast!" (Beast is slang for pedo) and a crowd appeared, all local natives. It's actually a problem we have is crazy women accusing guys of being pedos because they know they'll get beaten, stabbed or killed. And it's always been our culture to treat pedos like this. There's a reason why the sex offenders register (govs list of pedos and rapists) is not available to the public, my wifes friend is in the forces and even she can't access them.
Don't give in to the despair, that this spiritual darkness is enclosing without resistance. There are still those who fight. And God is with us.

Blogger rotekz July 09, 2019 3:42 PM  

There is not a single person in British public life that knowing the uncompromising JQ contents of Owen's videos would want to be associated with him. Tommy is being held to an impossible standard if this is what is expected of him.

Tommy is only half Irish though his mother. His biological father is British, not sure about his step-father. He was raised a Brit in his home town of Luton. He has as much right as the next person to say he is a nationalist.

Tommy's legit businesses were all shut down by government persecution including anyone he had dealings with. Even a garage he sold his car to got raided by the tax office the next day. He needs a salary for his family and *only* Rebel Media offered a lifeline with journalistic work.

Tommy saying he is a Zionist is no different to saying he believes that Israel has the right to exist. Is there evidence that it is anything different?

If taking Jewish money is such a big deal how come Trump gets a pass?

Is Tommy's Zionism any different to Trump's?

Trump doesn't agree with Owen on the JQ and would not want to associate with him so why should Tommy?



Blogger David Ray Milton July 09, 2019 3:54 PM  

@avalanche

You’re point about cops is not completely wrong. You did, however, give only one set of examples. “Whose Streets? Our streets!”

For the record, if I were a cop and had to work some planned protest where some queer vegans were trying to fight some slightly less queer free speech activists, it would take a lot for me to get involved because in my mind, they all have it coming and all want to brawl anyway.

No, I meant control of an area. For example, take 12 friends with weapons of your choosing, go to your closest metropolitan police station, and see if you can even make it in the front door unscathed...

... that’s what I mean by giving up control.

Blogger Aurelius Gomez July 09, 2019 4:13 PM  

Ahhh,,, I have seen the error of my ways. Of course Tommy is a fraud and a coward. He has everything to lose and absolutely nothing to gain and will lose everything and die in prison He is shrewd and diabolical that Tommy he is. I can't believe I even fell for this fraud.

Blogger rotekz July 09, 2019 4:15 PM  

@South Carolina Boy: That was a great post. Did you really need to remove it?

Blogger steb July 09, 2019 4:24 PM  

rotekz wrote:@South Carolina Boy: That was a great post. Did you really need to remove it?

+1

Blogger CS July 09, 2019 5:29 PM  

" But Tommy Robinson is not an English nationalist" Exactly, and probably run by one of the intelligence services. Robinson is high IQ, and judging by his birth name, of relatively high social origins, typical of recruits to the MIs.

Blogger CS July 09, 2019 5:32 PM  

The point of Robinson's public performance being to bring vilification upon those who oppose the Muslim takeover of Britain, where immigrants like Savid Javid, who just ran for the leadership of the ruling party, claim to be "the face of modern Britain", and where, as Peter Hitchens put it, the multiculti Trotskyites of the Blair government "wrecked my country."

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 09, 2019 6:03 PM  

Thousands of raped children. Paki Grooming Gangs. Sharia Law. Egged broken churches being replaced by shinny new Mosques. And yet, none of this can motivate the English to start the hangings.

I believe what we are watching is the final stage of dysgenics. We will see more autoimmune diseases, more mental diseases, less natural reproductive behavior (eventually almost all reproduction will cease) and abhorrent grotesque behaviors are normalized.

Mouse Utopia 2.0

This is going to be much harder to fix than most people imagine. We're on the cusp of total collapse.

Blogger Mark Stoval July 09, 2019 6:07 PM  

"This is going to be much harder to fix than most people imagine. We're on the cusp of total collapse."

The question is; who are "we"?

Blogger Garuna July 09, 2019 6:18 PM  

Fraud Lauren Southern did a lot of stunts too. Without a good sense of discernment, you will constantly be exploited by one media whore after another.

Beyond his credibility as a nationalist, BASED Farage has correctly judged Robinson to be an idiot and a liability for the nationalist cause. Recent election results prove this. When your media whore kills your party, he isn't worth the trouble.

The only way Robinson can make himself useful now is to get killed in prison so that he can be used as a martyr.

Blogger Solon July 09, 2019 6:20 PM  

The "good" kind of Zionism would be zionists who want a homeland for themselves and their kin. That's what nationalism is, after all.

They already have a homeland though, and because they're Jews, they keep getting it in their heads that Israel should be just a little bit bigger, a slice of Egypt here, a chunk of Syria there, all of Iraq over here...

That's where Zionism slides over to imperialism/globalism. That's the "bad" kind of Zionism.

The fact that there are very few "good zionists" doesn't alter the concept of "good Zionism," its just Jews gonna Jew.

Blogger Garuna July 09, 2019 6:28 PM  

Ahhh,,, I have seen the error of my ways. Of course Tommy is a fraud and a coward. He has everything to lose and absolutely nothing to gain and will lose everything and die in prison He is shrewd and diabolical that Tommy he is. I can't believe I even fell for this fraud.

A lot of instagram whores have gotten themselves killed trying to get a stunt selfie. After someone finally slits media whore Tommy's throat, he can be a part of that esteemed company.

Blogger Brian Peterson July 09, 2019 6:35 PM  

I don’t think Tommy is as cucky as British media referring to Muzzies as “Asian.” How did we come to a place where I can’t root for a guy calling out Muzzie rape gangs because of who’s behalf he’s doing it for?

Blogger Solon July 09, 2019 6:37 PM  

Ever heard the phrase "false flag?"

Blogger South Carolina Boy July 09, 2019 6:41 PM  

@rotekz @steb

No, I shouldn't have removed it.


Blogger South Carolina Boy July 09, 2019 6:43 PM  

I think Tommy Robinson is a hero and we'd all do a little bit better to put our necks out on the line for what's right.

I hope the USA welcomes him.

Blogger South Carolina Boy July 09, 2019 6:51 PM  

@Brian Peterson

We should be rooting for him. Many of us are.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 09, 2019 6:51 PM  

Mark Stoval wrote:"This is going to be much harder to fix than most people imagine. We're on the cusp of total collapse."

The question is; who are "we"?

Good question. Everything alive on this planet is subject to the effects of dysgenics and we have example of human populations that seem to have succumb to its effects: Aboriginals in AU, many populations in Africa, Mesoamerican populations, Pygmy populations in Asia.

AFAICT they've never recovered.

Victims of their own, past, successes.

So, when I say 'we', I meant those 'civilized' populations that are currently undergoing dysgenic collapse: England, Germany, Japan, China, Korea, America etc....

If you live in England, for example, and you notice SHTF all around you, what you're most likely witnessing is the effects of mutational load. Its why we see more left-handedness, increased propensity towards atheism, increased autoimmune diseases, mental diseases, sexual deviants like transgenderism, and of course, the precipitous fall in intelligence, etc....

For me, I look at Africa and I wonder: Is this our future? (see: Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit....).

So, the 'we' is each population. For the Japanese - that means their population. For the English, that means their population.

I believe the Japanese can reconstitute their genome. Mainly because they're 98.8% ethnically Japanese - they have a high IQ (still) and they're working to 'cure' diseases like autoimmune diseases. They're likely to outright utilize somatic genetic change and IVF. Because they're all "Japanese" they can do this without too much political turmoil. In China - the same.

But, what of the English? Well - I don't know, maybe ask them? I don't think it's going to be so easy. Especially because they're massively cucked and feminized. The Germans complained about the p*ssified English in the 1800s. Yes dear. Yes dead. You're right dear. Nice neck tattoo dear. Can I watch you with him dear?

So, I don't know.

I would imagine one solution would involve encouraging emigration of non-native English. Another would be to require temporary sterilization for anyone on Welfare. Another would be to become a Christian Patriarch Theocracy. Another would be to pay people to leave - or encourage them to leave (given them land and goodies in Africa?).

In Japan attending public schools will involve the Shinto Temple culture too. Why not do this in England? Attend school - then attend Church.

Slowly the genome can be cured by encouraging the reproduction of healthy, sane, individuals while discouraging unhealthy, insane individuals from reproducing. And using IVF and genomics to begin fixing the problems of a successful past.

Or, collapse, starve, warlord, restart? I'm not sure. I like the encouraging healthy people to reproduce, and the use of IVF and maybe Crispr-CAS9 approach, personally. It's no different than taking aspirin IMO. Some negative side-effects, but the overall efficacy makes it worth the risk.

Blogger Aurelius Gomez July 09, 2019 6:53 PM  

Tommy is an imperfect hero so the mob pounces and rejects him in total regardless of the fact his fate us probably sealed and it is his murder in an English prison by filthy Muslim boy lovers. His crime is he acted as a man and stood up go the pedos...imperfectly

Blogger John Best. July 09, 2019 7:23 PM  

Well the amount of people saying Tommy is English, when he is Celtic Irish is rather interesting. This is going to be a big problem in Britain for decades to come. As the Celtic-Irish aren't British and they have to go back to Ireland. Liverpool, Manchester, London, Glasgow have seen terrible crime and strife because of the Celtic-Irish populations. They have to go back, they are here for no other reason than to subvert of the nations of Britain. My mother is an Anglo-Irish Protestant, so she is English, Tommy is Celtic-Irish.

Blogger Garuna July 09, 2019 7:49 PM  

How did we come to a place where I can’t root for a guy calling out Muzzie rape gangs because of who’s behalf he’s doing it for?

It's perfectly fine to root for him. It'd be especially fine after the Muzzies sodomize him with a makeshift prison knife and spill his guts out of his ass. A martyr can be very useful for propaganda purposes.

It's just also fine to recognize that he's a thirsty media whore who has a lot more in common with deceased stunt-selfie instawhores than he does with a hero like Nigel Farage.

Blogger Mark Stoval July 09, 2019 8:08 PM  

@160 Meng Greenleaf

Thanks for that post. I really enjoyed reading it. That kind of comment is why I wade through so much ordinary stuff here to find the gems.

I will consider your thoughts and perhaps get back to that topic someday down the road when I have something to add.

...

May the wind always be at your back. :-)

Blogger Monotonous Languor July 09, 2019 8:25 PM  

Thanks for the responses... I will investigate further.

Blogger sammibandit July 09, 2019 8:34 PM  

Aurelius Gomez wrote:Tommy is an imperfect hero so the mob pounces and rejects him in total regardless of the fact his fate us probably sealed and it is his murder in an English prison by filthy Muslim boy lovers. His crime is he acted as a man and stood up go the pedos...imperfectly

No. He's not a hero. Per the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica a hero is,

HERO (Gr. ~ňρως), a term specially applied to warriors of extraordinary strength and courage, and generally to all who were distinguished from their fellows by superior moral, physical or intellectual qualities. No satisfactory derivation of the word has been suggested.

He's not moral because he spends a lot of time in jail away from his kids, despite fear of kids being harmed. He's no stronger than any scrapper. He's stupid because you can't win against the government and it's never advisable to take an enemy head-on but he keeps using these strategies. What boosters may call courage could be also called more accurately vainglory. The "mob" pounces on him because we smell a rat. He'd be more effective as a zoning officer or a similar petty bureaucrat. But he wants praise.

Blogger South Carolina Boy July 09, 2019 8:56 PM  

@sammibandit

And Trump doesn't want praise?

I'm not even anti-Trump, but Tommy Robinson has opened people's eyes to the UK's fallen Brave New Orwellian state of affairs and stood up for the innocent.

Have you?

Blogger South Carolina Boy July 09, 2019 8:57 PM  

We don't know the motives, and everyone has a bit of vainglory.

I'm sure there is vainglory on this blog.

The disciples didn't "win" against the government.... but they spread the message.

Martyrs don't "win", but they are a witness.

Think bigger.

Blogger sammibandit July 09, 2019 10:10 PM  

South Carolina Boy wrote:@sammibandit

And Trump doesn't want praise?

I'm not even anti-Trump, but Tommy Robinson has opened people's eyes to the UK's fallen Brave New Orwellian state of affairs and stood up for the innocent.

Have you?


You are falling for a rhetorical sink straight into navelgazing.

>And x doesn't have quality of b?

But muh fave! Forget your fave and look at how he acts. He's not a hero. He's vainglorious and infamous. There's no such thing as a hero that doesn't follow a national archetype. Whose does he follow?

Did you read the link?

An English hero isn't defined by an American of German descent no less even if that person is GEOTUS and cooler than Hulk.

Tommy may do well and good by other people's kids but certainly not his. You have to be pretty deep in the navel not to see how spending your kids' childhoods in jail isn't having "stood up for the innocent". It's stood up the innocent is what Tommy's done. Everything he does to spend time in jail and away from his young kids will be his millstone if it isn't already.

>Have you?

Lived up to heroic standards? No. You haven't. Infamy isn't heroism. Nor is vainglory.

What's Tommy's cult but a ragtag bunch of Commonwealthers and American Royalists? I'd rather be far away from that thank you.

Blogger Jill in StL July 09, 2019 10:25 PM  

I know there's blame to be assigned in this matter on all sides. The only thing I will say as a Christian woman is that his children did not ask for this and I doubt his wife did either. For that alone, if it were in my powers to do so, I would hope that either the US or Israel would take him and his family in. I fear for his wife and his children's safety once he is behind bars, if it comes to that. His cause will be over once he flees the UK. I do not personally feel any of his "crimes" deserve the death penalty - those Muslim gang rapists, however, do deserve the DP and then some, although I realize the UK isn't into executions any longer. The rest of them need to be returned to their various homelands, but sadly, that will never happen. Kind of hard to unring that bell unless there is a major shift in power in the UK. That's what I'm praying for at least. Regardless of whether Robinson is a fraud, a shill or a patriot, or whether he should have "known better" - I do not wish death upon him nor his family and I hope some country takes them in. Perhaps my opinion isn't what most would want nor pray for and I'm okay with that, as this is just my personal opinion.

Blogger English Tom July 09, 2019 10:43 PM  

Thank you for that Vox, you articulated it much better than me.

Avalanche, check out Joe Owens on youtube. A real British nationalist. Also Avalanche, once the topic centres on children, you seem to become unhinged. Everything evil and negative in Britain are but symptoms of a disease called ZOG, Tommy is their boy.

Blogger South Carolina Boy July 09, 2019 10:47 PM  

@sammibandit

It's very easy to criticize from the keyboard.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 09, 2019 10:50 PM  

Tommy could send his wife and kids here, and stay in England to fight. Will he do that?

Blogger sammibandit July 09, 2019 11:12 PM  

It's easy to notice things as they are since that's generally how discernment works.

Blogger Vaughan Williams July 10, 2019 1:53 AM  

@143 roketz, well written.

Blogger Vaughan Williams July 10, 2019 2:03 AM  

The Jews have been part of the British government ever since they bankrolled William the Conqueror and then became his tax collection arm of the English government. Going back in time to Clovis, King of the Franks, would take this comment too far astray for this thread.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 10, 2019 2:12 AM  

@83

"In short, the UK is itself possibly the earliest ever example of civnattery, which was a cover story for a medieval early imperialism. It will either come apart at the seams, into a Balkanisation of microstates, or else congeal in collective defence against third world immivasion. I'd say right now it's a toss up which occurs."

Remember, the ENGLISH are Foreigner to Briton -- both they AND the Saxons came from lands bordering the North Sea. And they had already consolidated the kingdoms of Suffolk, Norfolk, Mercia, Essex, Wessex, Devon, Cornwall and Northumbria several hundred years before the Normans (Norwegian originating vikings who had settled on the north coast of France for a couple hundred years). Know also that several of those previously mentioned kingdoms had already fallen into the hands of the Angles and Saxons ("the Danelaw") as far back as 200 years earlier. And when the Romans first landed, as far as I can tell, there were a few dozen kingdoms on the main island which is today known as Kingdom of England + Kingdom of Scotland + Principality of Wales.

The fact that it is even known as England (i.e. Angle-land), when the Angles are Jutes, from Jutland, means that civnattery is baked into the cake.

And then the Norman takeover in 1066... well, without civnattery, the Normans could have never ruled as "legitimate" rulers, merely as occupiers. So that eventually brings in even more civnattery. (It also explains why Edward I was so keen on subjugating the Scots -- not being British, or even an Angle or a Saxon, but a relative newcomer Norman, he was keen on conquering neighbors who the locals (Britons and even the Angles and Saxons) had long ago learned to live with peacefully)

Blogger Dirk Manly July 10, 2019 2:21 AM  

@94

"So, acting like the good conservatives in the U.S., he should just mewl and let them destroy his country? What, we're supposed to ALLOW the dishonorable perverts run the place?! Are you up for letting Epstein out of jail then? Guess Wm Wallace should've just shut up and let the English destroy the Scots? IRA should've just gone along to get along?"

The other parties you mentioned converted unpardonable actions against their people into death for those promoting and upholding the laws they saw as intolerable.

Tommy runs his mouth. Collects British Pounds, and takes ZERO DIRECT ACTION against the criminal powers that be.

Would William Wallace just stood around and complained, or would he have collected the skulls of rape gangs?

Blogger Dirk Manly July 10, 2019 2:32 AM  

@103

"So, Tommy is a shill for the folks re-writing laws to work AGAINST Tommy!? What: he volunteered to be test case for (((their))) laws against the VERY THING they have him doing?! Even unto death? Does that make sense?"

If they meet his price for playing the role of their scapegoat, then yes, yes it does. And if they whack him in jail, they never even have to pay him.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 10, 2019 2:49 AM  

@107

"But England .... has not reached extinction event level and actually started out racially and ethnically homogeneous."

England has not been ethnically and racially homogeneous since BEFORE IT WAS called ENGLAND (circa 750 AD or so).... due to the high numbers of Jutes (from Jutland) of the tribe called the Angles who, along with somewhat fewer Saxons, started crossing the North Sea and settling on the eastern coast of Britain. And this was 600-700 years after the Romans left the city they founded on the Thames.... Londinium, after colonizing the place so completely that they built a wall up north to keep the Scots out.. Hadrian's Wall.

Given all of the above, the absolute LATEST that the big island of the British Isles was racially and ethnically homogenous (as if the Welsh share the same ethnicity of the rest....and at one time Wales itself was a land of 3 separate kingdoms).... would be 200-100 B.C.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 10, 2019 3:05 AM  

@111

"And you believe, somehow, Tommy PREVENTS this "real leader" from showing up!?"

He's sucking the oxygen out of the room.

In the same way that rap (retards attempting poetry) is sucking all the air (previously used by musicians with actual musical talent and/or singing ability) out of the recording studios

Blogger Dirk Manly July 10, 2019 3:32 AM  

@121

"Look no further than Tommy's enemies than to know what side he is on. He wants to save his family. He is braver than anyone on this site."

How do you save your family rotting in a prison cell?
Or dead, after being murdered in prison?

Blogger Avalanche July 10, 2019 9:38 AM  

@163 "a hero like Nigel Farage."

Funny, I've never heard Farage whisper the slightest hint about the jews... Huh. Guess that makes him the right kind of hero?

Blogger Avalanche July 10, 2019 9:44 AM  

@166 "He's not moral because he spends a lot of time in jail away from his kids, despite fear of kids being harmed."

Sammi, are you suggesting that NO fathers should serve in the military? No 'defense of the nation' by the men producing the new generation of the nation, because you want them choosing to stay home to defend their own kids -- individually, with no back-up, no tribe, no group? If a military man marries and had a kid, he should quit the military and go home? Tommy spent / spends time in jail away from his kids, because he would save the children of 'his' tribe!

Yeah, okay-fine, part of the "English" tribe rejects him, part doesn't... How about "let's pull together to exile the invading violent tribe, and sort out internal boundaries LATER!" I'm reminded of the "Native" Americans tribes, who would not 'pull together' with other tribes and thus were ALL defeated and destroyed by an external enemy.

Blogger sammibandit July 10, 2019 9:49 AM  

@Dirk Manly,

Exactly. I might dispute some of the details, like Normans being Danish Franks rather than Norweigian Franks since Norweigians are Danish outlaws in our history, but the big picture is a patische. The Encyclopedia I linked above agrees with you in that by the time of King Arthur, England had a mix of nationalities. But King Arthur was at least a Celt of French stock rather than juif.

As an aside the Scots seem to share traits with Danes, two being height and blonde or red hair. In studying DNA of my relatives, Scots DNA got very far inland towards the Carpathians. How I don't know. A topic for another day perhaps. Maybe Robert the Bruce was Robert the Pruß.

Blogger DeepThought July 10, 2019 9:58 AM  

Dirk maybe Manly but he is not too bright.

Tommy has money, just search "Is Tommy Robinson Jewish" and you will see the articles on his Jewish financial support.

Blogger sammibandit July 10, 2019 11:18 AM  

@Av,

You're too emotionally invested to look soberly at Tommy. How dare you compare service to jail. Our enlisted members are not recidivist criminals.

Blogger Tars Tarkas July 10, 2019 11:45 AM  

Avalanche wrote:I listened to him suggesting that we should NOT dislike muzzies because they accept and respect Jesus as a prophet and the son of God.

Owen was a godless heathen for most of his life.

I follow a guy on YT who became a Christian a few months ago and he now dedicates most of his videos to his particular form of Christianity and how everyone else is wrong and he is right.

New converts need to realize that they probably don't have the entire truth down packed.

I very rarely watch Owen, but he had a stream the other night that I caught where people in the chat were trying to explain taqiyah to him and he said that he never heard of Muslims being allowed to lie to others within the religion.

They respect Jesus as a prophet, but that's it. They don't respect Christianity. They have no respect for Christians either. If they vote themselves into power, every Christian church will either be destroyed, converted into a mosque or made to fall into disrepair.

Blogger Fargoth July 10, 2019 2:57 PM  

Anti-reptilian racism is real

Blogger cloom July 10, 2019 2:59 PM  

Moments ago Mark Collett is calling out the new Tommy Robinson documentary called "Shalom" as being inappropriate for the nation and the people. And next Morgoth calls out Katie Hopkins for Homelands, 10m on her people and then 40m about an entirely different national people.

Blogger Unknown July 10, 2019 7:46 PM  

@Avalanche et al
I agree that Tommy should be fighting for English interests, not Jewish or Israeli ones. I am personally disappointed about that.
Although he has called himself a Zionist in the past, when asked, he said that he meant by that that Jews are entitled to a homeland, and to defend that homeland. And then used that as a segue that the English are likewise entitled. Not that the Goy should fight for the Jew etc
He didn't use to talk about Israel much.
Because Rebel Media paid for his lawyers, and Gatestone Institute sponsored the rallies for him when imprisoned, and some big anti-Muslim pro-Israel activists boosted him, he’s (wrongly) started pushing an entirely-irrelevant-at-best Israel narrative.
Most of his supporters (including me) don't particularly like it (not anti-Israel, just they're fighting for England. Why muddy waters?) but they admire, appreciate and support Tommy through thick and thin, so it's not raised as an issue.
I'm a member of the official Tommy Telegram Channel and the Open-Talk Tommy Telegram Channel - tens of thousands of members, huge number of daily comments - the chat from the members ignores Israel for the most part.
There are plenty of posts against Soros, "globalists" etc.
But almost nothing EXPLICIT anti-Jewish. OR against any other minority
The main focus is anti-Muslim, primarily because of tangible grievances
Nevertheless, there is an undercurrent of ethnic nationalism rising.
None of the members speak positively about ANY immigrants, not Jews, not blacks etc. The notion of ethnic English interests is clearly there, sometimes latent, sometimes explicit.
Many posts openly calling for restoring real Christianity
Rome wasn’t built in a day.
I strongly feel Tommy is a step in the right direction
As far as I know there is literally nobody else. Britain First / Anne Marie Waters were sidelined and have other issues. None were having any impact before Tommy became huge last year, none did anything when things were quiet on the Tommy Front in the months after his release.
UKIP emailed us yesterday - the Central Committee have just blocked Gerard Batten’s otherwise-valid application to stand as leader - by bringing in Tommy, he’s made the UKIP “Far Right” - they don't want that. I kid you not.
Spend a few minutes reading this article for the depth and scale of the problem:
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271083/leftists-own-uks-grooming-gang-crisis-and-tommy-danusha-v-goska
Historically, when intolerable situations arise in the life of Nations, often things “kick off” over some apparently minor issue. Often the people in lead roles during the early stages are very flawed individuals, sometimes misguided and / or in it for themselves.
They often have no control in shaping the course of events afterward.
Once enough awareness of the oppression of England from one non-English sector spreads – and resentment / discrediting of the MSM – it’s not a big jump to move to considering ALL non-ethnic-English groups as “on their last warning” and seeing them as visitors, with no right to usurp …
ON THE OTHER HAND, Vox has an amazing track record of opening my mind to a different perspective, and over time I have come to see he was right and I was wrong.
So we’ll wait and see. In the meantime, I hope to be at the Old Bailey tomorrow morning.

God Bless you all

PS:
The Trump Asylum appeal was trolling / showmanship.
His family is not remotely in danger
He didn’t “repeat the same thing the Judge told him not to do”. The first time he filmed inside the court building. The second time he filmed IN THE STREET, and after asking permission from the Police and Court staff. AND he was careful to only read out from the BBC / Huddersfield Examiner website
Obviously American Patriots should prioritise their own. It’s up to English people to stand up for Tommy, if so minded.
The Shalom documentary is a massive mistake for Tommy - it was obviously funded by pro-Israel interests
He is also releasing a book / film? soon called "The Rape of Britain" so all is not bad

Blogger sammibandit July 10, 2019 8:46 PM  

At least log in if you're going to use this post as a tissue.

Blogger Avalanche July 11, 2019 7:51 AM  

@187 "How dare you compare service to jail. Our enlisted members are not recidivist criminals."

Sammi, I wasn't clear, if that is the concept you pulled from my comment in @187.

You wrote: "He's not moral because he spends a lot of time in jail away from his kids, despite fear of kids being harmed."
I answered: Sammi, are you suggesting that NO fathers should serve in the military?

I AM a veteran, I'm not going to be putting down folks in the military.

I was pointing out the juxtaposition YOU made. You said, in essence, Tommy is not moral because he was "off fighting an immvasion, to protect his nation's children"; instead of being at home protecting his kids individually. But we EXPECT of our men that, when our nation is immvaded, they WILL leave their families/children and go fight to protect the nation, which includes THEIR kids. Do you think THEY are moral when called by the govt to go fight, but Tommy is immoral when punished BY the govt -- for the same action?

The Brit govt is absolutely acting immorally in excusing and covering over for decades the raping of thousands of children; in their courts ordering people who try to publicize it to shut up about it, and also in their courts blocking news media from reporting it. Gag orders to hide a "5-hour court judgement"?! I realize that 'freedom of speech' is not a European thing, but it is huge thing to me.

Does Europe have jury nullification? That's where the jury is legally allowed to decide not merely on the guilt or innocence of someone they are empaneled to judge -- but ALSO on the validity and acceptability of the LAW under which the defendant is being tried. They can declare not-guilty someone who has, in fact, 'transgressed' against some law they find reprehensible; even though the "recidivist" has done the thing technically against the law. Isn't the line somewhere in Shakespeare: "the law is an ass!"


Still, the whole Tommy Robinson thing is never going to be settled. I'm ex-Navy, to stick to nautical terms: Each of us has our own 'anchors' that give us a circumscribed 'float zone' and many of the zones do not overlap.

Blogger Avalanche July 11, 2019 8:45 AM  

Definitely read this article that "unknown" posted in @191:

Spend a few minutes reading this article for the depth and scale of the problem:
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271083/leftists-own-uks-grooming-gang-crisis-and-tommy-danusha-v-goska

Well-linked to various sources -- and all-too-clear what has been going on.

Blogger sammibandit July 11, 2019 11:45 AM  

Poor Tommy. He's a good boy and didn't do nothing.

I was pointing out the juxtaposition YOU made. You said, in essence, Tommy is not moral because he was "off fighting an immvasion, to protect his nation's children"; instead of being at home protecting his kids individually.

Don't misrepresent what I said. I said he's a recidivist criminal that would rather spend time around other men in jail than around his family. You made everything else up yourself and despite your vociferous complaints about blacks you sound just like a black person representing dindus.

Don't even try to make this about service. It's derailing, navelgazing, and self-serving. I won't go there with you so stop trying.

The Brit govt is absolutely acting immorally in excusing and covering over for decades the raping of thousands of children; in their courts ordering people who try to publicize it to shut up about it, and also in their courts blocking news media from reporting it. Gag orders to hide a "5-hour court judgement"?! I realize that 'freedom of speech' is not a European thing, but it is huge thing to me.

So? Stop trying to excuse his failings as a father. It makes you look suspect.

I already said to check out Johnny Rotten and Morrissey. Stop bleating about the Brits. You're the most ignorant Anglophile I've ever come across.

Blogger MC July 11, 2019 9:44 PM  

@187 "Unknown" (that was me) and @192 sammibandit

I was lying by omission by not making clear that my long post praising Tommy was written by an Ultra-Orthodox Torah Jew (me), albeit one that likes, respects and is frequently inspired by Christians and Christianity (Chesterton and C S Lewis especially) and is committed to treating my host nation with love, honour and respect
My liking for Tommy is not in any way linked to Tommy’s support of Israel – in fact I actually wish he wouldn’t.
But (to the few of you who will read this) you have the right to know who was writing the post, and I failed in my obligation to the God of Truth by hiding that

God Bless you all, and good night

Moshe

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