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Tuesday, July 23, 2019

Mailvox: outsourcing defense

I don't think there can be much doubt any longer that the US military is going to lose its next major war:
You have no idea how bad the rot is within US Defense Contractors these days. I work as an engineer for a major [defense contractor] and I regularly hear Mandarin being spoken in our office by the Chinese-born people in one of our testing groups. It is rather insane.

Additionally, their English is terrible and their accents are more exaggerated, comical and less intelligible than those performed by Owen Benjamin in his various, hilarious Chinamen skits. I wouldn't be surprised if their home nation had entire models of some of our vehicles based on these hiring and employment practices. It has certainly happened before with other companies and Defense projects.

I looked up one of these guys on LinkedIn and he did his undergrad and got his Masters in Beijing, but got his PhD at a US university. Probably paid for by the Chinese government. The Paperwork American mythos is so strong as to begar belief and all logic. Can you imagine a Chinese defense contractor allowing a single American-born individual within a few miles of their facilities, let alone through their doors? I certainly can't.
Whoever writes The Decline and Fall of the United States of America in the wake of the final US collapse is going to have a very difficult time convincing future generations that the historical Americans were genuinely as stupid as they are being described.

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140 Comments:

Blogger Crew July 23, 2019 11:15 AM  

But, but, but, Muh Diversity!

https://pjmedia.com/trending/lesbian-veteran-blocked-on-facebook-after-trans-activists-harass-her/

Blogger Amy July 23, 2019 11:22 AM  

Letting the fox guard the henhouse is supposed to be a cautionary tale.

Blogger Dante Diluvian July 23, 2019 11:23 AM  

I have connections inside a very technical Air Force training squadron and some of the stories I've heard about the absolute babies that are taking over the officer corps removed any doubt in my mind about the war readiness of the US military. Chinese contractors? What a joke.

Blogger Thad Tuiol July 23, 2019 11:28 AM  

We're stupid, fat, greedy and lazy. We tell lies to ourselves and others to cover our sins and defects, but a perfect storm is coming. We need our asses kicking and to be humbled to a degree that has never happened in our history. Then, maybe, with the grace of God and some honest reflection and hard work on our part, we may, just may, rebuild ourselves.

Blogger Job La Salle July 23, 2019 11:29 AM  

What is the best way for young American men to be trained for war if the military is so decrepit?

Blogger Whitecloak July 23, 2019 11:29 AM  

I'd rather get on with it and have the devastating war that shatters the empire sooner than later. The longer it takes the worse internal demos are going to be and the harder the conflict thereafter.

I'd rather it happen when I'm still yet young than 30 years from now when I'm in my 60s.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 23, 2019 11:31 AM  

Chinese steel, Chinese contractors, Gammas in the officers corp, and LGBTQ+ as a solid military policy.

On the flip side, these guys are testers, not developers, so some of the damage can be mitigated as long as you keep them in place. In my experience, QA acts like architects or designers and try to push new features in the form of "defects". As long as you reign that in, you can usually do okay.

Blogger Noah B. July 23, 2019 11:31 AM  

One has to be totally blind and clueless not to notice the collapse in progress.

Blogger Crew July 23, 2019 11:48 AM  

Chinese steel, Chinese contractors, Gammas in the officers corp, and LGBTQ+ as a solid military policy.

I see that President Trump has been working to change that. The man is definitely a Very Stable Genius.

Blogger Clay July 23, 2019 11:48 AM  

Those inscrutable, tricky, Chinese contractors. Allowing their info to be found on LinkedIn. What depths they will sink to.

Blogger JovianStorm July 23, 2019 11:49 AM  

No self-respecting Chinaman would let the Banana Republic of China pay for a PhD when the NIH will gladly foot the bill for tuition, health insurance and stipend.

We paid those spies to learn our advanced technical secrets. America is so stupid

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 11:50 AM  

Vox, I'm listening to the Darkstream from last night, and I had no idea that savings accounts used to pay 15% interest. It filled me with fury and made my mouth drop open. I was overjoyed recently to fund a savings account that pays 3%. I thought "we're in the money!". Hearing the 15% interest rates of yore was so disheartening.

I finally was able to realize why my Silent Gen dad was able to pay for his Masters degree at Columbia un the 1950's driving cabs.

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 11:52 AM  

The uniformed military has great tactical and operational skills and power, and will fight very well up through the level of Brigade Combat Team (commanded by COL).

When it gets to our Generals and these bloated staffs we’ll begin to unravel.

Same with the Marines. We don’t lose wars, we are betrayed at table,

When you get to the civilians in DOD you have a choice between the incompetent and the corrupt. The corrupt love money and the Chinese, Arabs and Israelis have it.

Having said all that - to get into direct battle with us will be costly for any enemy, probably to be defeated. We don’t lose wars we are betrayed at table.

As far as the US unraveling - highly unlikely in America. Civil war perhaps but not unraveling on the American Continent.


As far as the traitors and the Chinese- they’ll do a lot more damage. But they’ll not win- not in Battle.

Anyone banking on the military being a paper target is making a bad mistake.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 11:54 AM  

We have hired the enemy to develop our military technology in our country, and have hired that same enemy to produce that military technology in their country. We have shipped our war material factories to our enemy's country.

It's all OK, because diversity is our strength. Those enemies in our gates have magic pieces of paper declaring them citizens, so there is no chance they will betray us, and so on.

Nothing can go wrong, the ship is unsinkable.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 11:56 AM  

I watch very closely any paper American I have to work with. I am ready to flip the switch and act at a moment's notice.

Blogger kurt9 July 23, 2019 11:57 AM  

Call it fashionable stupidity. PC and related stuff is fashionable stupidity. Perhaps a similar version of fashionable stupidity was one of the factors that brought down Rome.

Blogger binks webelf July 23, 2019 12:00 PM  

By the sheer grace of God, Trump halted the final decline of the U.S. military as planned by Obama-Clinton (SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN!), leading to a lost nuclear WW3 with Putin.. but things are still pretty bad, and it's not 1990 any more, as Vox has stated before.

What is POTUS & his team doing to strengthen the U.S. militarily right now, and for the next 25 years? Presuming he wins 2020, will that be enough time to turn things around?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 12:06 PM  

The first thing Trump needs to do on January 20, 2021 is kick out all of the faggots, trannies, and future Hultgreen-Curie award recipients.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 12:07 PM  

Whitecloak wrote:I'd rather it happen when I'm still yet young than 30 years from now when I'm in my 60s.

I was saying that same thing 30 years ago.

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Vox, I'm listening to the Darkstream from last night, and I had no idea that savings accounts used to pay 15% interest.

The highest rate I remember seeing was 7%, but I'm sure there were higher rates back then. 15% might have kept you ahead of inflation, but not by much. 7% was definitely falling behind inflation. It really sucked, and high interest rates like that are a very bad sign. In a stable monetary environment, 2% to 3% would keep you 2% to 3% ahead of inflation, and would be an excellent deal.

bdoran wrote:As far as the US unraveling - highly unlikely in America.

We are already seeing the imperial government losing control. We see legalized pot, sanctuary states and the empire can't stop any of it.

bdoran wrote:Civil war perhaps but not unraveling on the American Continent.

Civil war isn't unraveling? What is?

Blogger Avalanche July 23, 2019 12:07 PM  

A friend works as a dept head for a big computer co. To his surprise, big-mgmt just announced they're getting rid of all the H1Bs. Apparently, something-something about offering them an extension, which they all turned down because it would interfere with the timeline for getting their green cards. Except, also apparently, not having the H1B job is part of the basis for getting the green card? Dunno, didn't follow, didn't care.
They must all go back!

Blogger cloom July 23, 2019 12:14 PM  

I think some of it is a mythical extension of the communist defectors who came here to warn us and now they come in great numbers to save us.

For a welcomed-defector example: I follow a Canada yellow vest group, who are Christians. They protested at June homo celebrations and protested a converged church. Yesterday I was astonished an unrepentant transvestite, who fought for homo as an identity, and still does, was allowed to speak against transvestites because he defected (sort of). The speech did not sound like much of a defection. It was clearly infiltration and redirection.

Friendly individuals, unwise about group organization, let that happen. I knew they were civic vulnerable.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 12:19 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:The first thing Trump needs to do on January 20, 2021 is kick out all of the faggots, trannies, and future Hultgreen-Curie award recipients.

I concur. I will be happily surprised if he actually does.

I think that in Trump's second term we will see the true Trump, and it will be pretty much what we see today. His primary focus today is on maintaining civil order and maintaining the legitimacy of the current power structure and the empire. I don't expect that change after the 2020 Trumpslide.

Kicking out all the women, perverts and crazies would be controversial and hurtful, and he's not likely to go there. He isn't going to question the progressive shibboleths like feminism, equality and gender-as-choice. He isn't going to do a lot of necessary things. We can pray that he will pave the way for someone who will.

Blogger ZhukovG July 23, 2019 12:21 PM  

A possible corollary to Hanlon's Razor:

'Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by greed.'

And anyone who thinks our victory in battle is assured, neither knows the enemy or himself.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon July 23, 2019 12:22 PM  

Just look at the number of STEM PhDs and Masters students who are foreign. Chinese are probably 50% of the total, particularly in materials science and other disciplines related to defense.

Not only that, the Chinese absolutely dominate the literature on critical infrastructure protection and a few other relevant topics. Meaning that if a US company needs to hire people, it has the choice of a non-US-born Chinese person (possibly with a green card) or an Indian born offshore. This crap is even going on at the NSA and other intelligence agencies.

White americans ceded STEM to foreigners, with the end result that white PhD holders in those disciplines are a tiny number in comparison.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 12:23 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:The first thing Trump needs to do on January 20, 2021 ...

Why wait? 11 November 2020 (second Wednesday, day after the election) would be a better day to start the big changes.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 12:29 PM  

No argument there.

Blogger Hen July 23, 2019 12:30 PM  

Lived through the high gasoline prices and high interest rates. It ate my lunch. Was a timing thing. But if you had some excess cash in those days, just buying long term T bills would suffice for a lifetime.

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 12:30 PM  

bdoran wrote:The uniformed military has great tactical and operational skills and power, and will fight very well up through the level of Brigade Combat Team (commanded by COL).

When it gets to our Generals and these bloated staffs we’ll begin to unravel.

Same with the Marines. We don’t lose wars, we are betrayed at table,

When you get to the civilians in DOD you have a choice between the incompetent and the corrupt. The corrupt love money and the Chinese, Arabs and Israelis have it.

Having said all that - to get into direct battle with us will be costly for any enemy, probably to be defeated. We don’t lose wars we are betrayed at table.

As far as the US unraveling - highly unlikely in America. Civil war perhaps but not unraveling on the American Continent.

As far as the traitors and the Chinese- they’ll do a lot more damage. But they’ll not win- not in Battle.

Anyone banking on the military being a paper target is making a bad mistake.


Snippets from FRC give lie to your bold claims on future outcomes. That Kool Aid must taste mighty good.

Blogger ar10308 July 23, 2019 12:31 PM  

@24 Who do we know that runs American University admission offices that would be happy to preference foreigners over White Americans?

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 12:32 PM  

Unraveling is we Americans lose the Continent of North America.

A civil war is war. Terrible but also normal. Every country has Civil Wars, some have many. Some such as Columbia they never end.

War is normal. Civil War is normal.
How many has England had? England is peaceful compared to the Continent.

We haven’t had a Civil War in 154 years. We may have one. We’re certainly in turmoil and we’ll probably have more violence before one side or the other wins. But that’s not “unraveling”. Unraveling is 1200 BC, unraveling is the Mayan Dark Age 900 AD, or the fall of Rome. We’re not there, we’re just at a point where we’ll possibly resort to war to settle our differences- and sorry - that’s normal in history.

Blogger ZhukovG July 23, 2019 12:36 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd: I believe President Trump will do everything he can, short of actually start a civil war.

Eventually, that is likely what it will come to. But I am thankful for any delay President Trump provides us with. More time to prepare.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 12:36 PM  

Jim the Curmudgeon wrote:White americans ceded STEM to foreigners, with the end result that white PhD holders in those disciplines are a tiny number in comparison.

If you are a White American, the opportunity cost for a PhD is very high. If you are a furriner, the PhD is a necessary step on the path to a green card and that magic piece of paper that grants imperial citizenship, and a chance at a security clearance and the ability to spy for the homeland.

Americans can't afford to get a PhD, and furriners can't afford not to.

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 12:37 PM  

Thanks if that was for me, I can always use some fortune cookie Sun Tzu. Gladly that’s not what I said.

Blogger McChuck July 23, 2019 12:38 PM  

Mexicans build our navy's ships. The supervisors are all Cuban, of course.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 12:43 PM  

bdoran wrote:Unraveling is we Americans lose the Continent of North America.

That's not what I thought unraveling meant. OK, if balkanization, ethnic cleansing and civil war isn't unraveling, we might not see unraveling.

ZhukovG wrote:@Ominous Cowherd: I believe President Trump will do everything he can, short of actually start a civil war.

That's kind of what I said: he won't do anything that endangers civil order or damages the legitimacy of the current power structure.

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 12:43 PM  

I don’t know what FRC is.

I know the US military.

The claim was not that bold.

I’m correcting a misimpression that perhaps has too much currency on the Right. I say we don’t lose battles much and aren’t losing wars- we are betrayed at table. That engaging us in battle will be costly and probably result in tactical defeat. The record shows both.

You have any facts to go with the snark?

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 12:54 PM  

bdoran wrote:I don’t know what FRC is.

I know the US military.

You have any facts to go with the snark?



Not snark at all, just a simple statement that you are wrong in your bold confidence.

As per your request:

FACT: If you don't know what FRC is, then you don't "know the US military," especially when you specifically claimed a "we" in regard to USMC.

Blogger Prodigal Son July 23, 2019 12:54 PM  

You can thank John Titor for making it later rather than sooner.

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 12:57 PM  

Follow-up:

If you had said something like "Those dudes at FRC are a bunch of know-nothing pogues and arent' at the sharp end," I'd back off my confidence that you don't know what you are talking about at all.

At least that's a statement I'd expect from a line unit Marine in the mid to upper O grades.

But, "I don't know what FRC is" tells a different tale.

Blogger Barbarossa July 23, 2019 12:58 PM  

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Blogger Barbarossa July 23, 2019 1:00 PM  

@39 I was in the Navy for 30 years and retired just a few years ago. I have no idea what FRC means. Hiding behind acronyms is a tell.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 1:00 PM  

Camcleat,

Are you referring to Elaine Donnelly's outfit?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 1:01 PM  

If you don't know what DACOWITS is, you are way behind as well.

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot July 23, 2019 1:02 PM  

"Whoever writes The Decline and Fall of the United States of America in the wake of the final US collapse is going to have a very difficult time convincing future generations that the historical Americans were genuinely as stupid as they are being described."
Perhaps you meant to say "...have a very easy time convincing..." The record of stupidity and greed is there (as long as the Ministry of Truth doesn't memory hole it). Future historians will write many a paper comparing and contrasting the fall of America with the fall of Rome.

Blogger Christian Schulzke July 23, 2019 1:06 PM  

"Vox, I'm listening to the Darkstream from last night, and I had no idea that savings accounts used to pay 15% interest."

Animal Mother, it is even worse than you think. As Vox pointed out, high interest rates meant cheaper housing prices, but it gets better, guess what happened with the rates went down? People re-financed and realized a windfall in savings. I was born in 1971 and by the time I left for college my mom was paying the mortgage out of the petty change jar.

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 1:19 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Camcleat,

Are you referring to Elaine Donnelly's outfit?


Names are similar, eh? FRC is a working command not a "policy" one.

Barbarossa, my beef is not with someone not knowing FRC stands for Fleet Readiness Center but that making big Operational and higher claims about the US military capability and readiness not knowing what it is is something else.

I sure as the world don't know every military acronym. Nor, do I pretend to. But, I also ain't claiming the O6+ bird's eye view of current military capability.

FRC is a command that is tasked with practical readiness problem and from bits and pieces from out of there, Vox is right and whats-his-name above is wrong.

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 1:23 PM  

We may indeed see all that, its already present short of open war.

On another matter; I’m posting a corrective that is gaining currency on the right that we’re a rabble running around in dresses.
This is worse than a slander- its a mistake.

My own estimate is that our soldiers and leaders have been through a generation of war and its hard lessons - China has not.
That we’ll fight very well up to BCT and have problems when it gets above COL.
We may or may not overcome those problems. An expeditionary war: all our wars since the Civil War - may come to disaster. But not because our men are soft, badly equipped or can’t fight. Expeditions are always dodgy - and its usually logistics or backstabbing that does the expedition in once they gain a foothold and success.

Finally I want to change the subject away from the margins to the core; the inane policies we follow are ORDERS coming from outside and above the military.

We have civilian control of the military and ultimately we obey, resign or go to jail.
This has its drawbacks- but let me turn that around. WHAT IF the rest of the US government in the Executive Branch also honored their same oath to the Constitution- as the military does?

What if the rest of the government honored elections (and their oaths) instead of ignoring or violating directives from elected officials?

What if your vote actually worked?
Would we be talking Civil War?

The US Military for all its faults has remained loyal to their oaths and so you see... your voice. When the voters pick leaders we obey them. In this way we’re actually setting the example. If the rest of the government of some millions did the same our problems could be solved or at least policy decided by elections.

What if the rest of the government - the Courts also come to mind as transgressors - did the same? Would we be in pre-civil war now? Maybe. But at least we’d have clear sides and leaders that COULD honor their word. Instead of doubt, despair and a government that does what it pleases (by department by the way) instead of honoring their word.

That’s why we’re talking about Civil war and parsing definitions of unraveling.

If you are in government and reading this do consider our choice; to obey orders and keep your word. Because we’re going to war because some of you don’t keep your word.

Blogger Joe Smith July 23, 2019 1:28 PM  

@47 But it's not exactly about who's fault it is (although that can be an interesting discussion, and I'd agree that America's political class is ridiculous obviously). Someone like Vox is just pointing out the situation we're in, regardless of fault.

Blogger Wilhelm July 23, 2019 1:32 PM  

From Airforcetimes.com "Air Force hopes to train 1,500 new pilots each year by 2022 to help solve shortage."
.
Is it any wonder that we're getting a sequel to Top Gun?

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 1:32 PM  

I’m not an O6 and I’m not in the Navy. I don’t care if I’m not up on buzzword bingo in my service, certainly not another's.

If you’re saying the Fleet isn’t ready from your POV (which seems to weight acronym literacy heavily...hmm) ok. I don’t serve on boats. I serve on land, I’ll stand by my estimate. We’ll not succumb to Chinese subversion.

BTW Vox is right about what?
His mailbox?

OK. Fair.

Frankly this sounds like a Fleet issue - not my problem.

My problem is correcting the impression we’re a rabble of freaks.

I’ve had the Unicorn Tranny policy briefing - sure. But I’ve never seen one in uniform. In fact I’ve never met anyone who has.

But I never served in the Fleet.
Semper Fi.

Blogger Unknown July 23, 2019 1:34 PM  

In a Navy context FRC means Fleet Readiness Center. FRC Southwest runs all the Aviation Intermediate Maintenance Department units at NAS and MCAS bases in the southwest.

I agree with Barbarossa, at the company level the US military still has teeth, as that is where legacy Americans tend to concentrate, but the logistical tail supporting those actual combat units is where all the diversity rot has set in.
-Unknownsailor-

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 1:36 PM  

When Charlie Rangel was whining about supposed racism in the military, someone shared the racial breakdown by specialty. Combat arms were overwhelmingly white and Hispanic. Logistics and support was everyone else.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 23, 2019 1:39 PM  

All for boomer gibs....

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 1:44 PM  

bdoran wrote:If you’re saying the Fleet isn’t ready from your POV (which seems to weight acronym literacy heavily...hmm) ok.

I'm not saying anything about Fleet readiness specifically because I'm not qualified to say such. I'm saying that bits I hear from the folks that do the daily work to keep the planes, not boats (**), in the air have led me to conclude that Vox's general take on current US military capability is closer to the truth than yours.

(**) Including planes that support guys that serve on land not on boats. Take that as you wish.

BTW Vox is right about what?

His mailbox?


No, that his assessment of US capabilities is right.


Frankly this sounds like a Fleet issue - not my problem.

Not your problem that ground support aircraft are seeing deployment readiness issues?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 1:45 PM  

bdoran wrote:My own estimate is that our soldiers and leaders have been through a generation of war and its hard lessons - China has not.

Chasing goat humpers through the desert and kicking in the doors of their houses, with air superiority and everything else superiority and adequate logistics which the enemy cannot attack, might be adequate preparation for war with a near-peer. Or, it might not.

Any near-peer is going to be able to contest air superiority and going to be able to hit our logistics tail and our homeland. We haven't experienced any of that since WWII.

China has all of our SF86 forms stashed in Beijing, has the designs for the chips that run our equipment, has the foundries that make those chips. I wonder if those will be advantages in a war with us?

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 1:45 PM  

Wow. I didn’t claim we in regard to USMC. I said my estimate is soldiers and marines will fight well because -we do. We’ll run into problems above brigade - commanded by COL’s.

I don’t care about acronyms.

If you wanna diss your service (I’m a soldier) ok. Those aren’t the marines I see.

I don’t know where you got bold confidence from what I said, unless the only alternative is utter despair.

If there’s a problem at Fleet level or in readiness that’s above COL and above Brigade.

Mainly I wanted to post a corrective to the trope that has gained some currency on the right that we’re a paper tiger. In drag.

We’re not.

You wanna diss your brahs go ahead.

The main reason for correcting the misimpression that we’ll be easily routed is certain RIght Wingers are clearly screwing up their courage - to shoot at the wrong people.

Now that’s about all the time I want to spend on refuting the case of what I didn’t actually say.

Blogger pnq87 July 23, 2019 1:47 PM  

Are the American people that stupid or have they been socially traumatized and cowed to the point where stockholm syndrome has set in?

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 1:48 PM  

Honestly; FACT if you don’t know what FRC is you don’t know the US military... oh holy lol.

I bet most marines don’t know.
I’m going to pop quiz some.

Maybe I’ll get back to you.
Probably not.

Blogger Stilicho July 23, 2019 1:49 PM  

Rome outsourced its defense to its eventual conquerors. History rhymes.

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 1:50 PM  

Troll.

In the army it would mean Family Readiness Council.

But I’ll ask some actual marines.
For followup.

You may return now to despair.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 1:56 PM  

Rome's cultural back was broken by Islam, finally. Byzantium crushed by Islam as well. Islam was Rome's ultimate conqueror.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 2:00 PM  

Unknown wrote:I agree with Barbarossa, at the company level the US military still has teeth, as that is where legacy Americans tend to concentrate, but the logistical tail supporting those actual combat units is where all the diversity rot has set in.

The teeth can't bite without the tail. Even if chasing goat humpers is good combat training, modern troops can't fight without logistics.

Blogger Tars Tarkas July 23, 2019 2:02 PM  

bdoran wrote:We haven’t had a Civil War in 154 years. We may have one. We’re certainly in turmoil and we’ll probably have more violence before one side or the other wins.

What do you mean by civil war? Are we talking US states fighting in a state level war like Civil War One? Or are we talking about an insurgency where there are group(s) of patriots fighting the various states and the fed?

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 2:05 PM  

bdoran wrote:I don’t care about acronyms.

I used one acronym and have stated clearly what it stands for since my assumption of it being more widely known was incorrect. We've moved on from the acronym.

If you wanna diss your service (I’m a soldier) ok.

See, this is the disconnect. I'm not "dissing" anyone. In not a Marine and have never pretended to be. I'm just stating the objective fact that from things I have heard that Vox's analysis of current military capability is closer to the truth than "rah rah rah, we'll definitely win every battle" type arguments.

I don’t know where you got bold confidence from what I said


From this:

Having said all that - to get into direct battle with us will be costly for any enemy, probably to be defeated. We don’t lose wars we are betrayed at table.

...

As far as the traitors and the Chinese- they’ll do a lot more damage. But they’ll not win- not in Battle.

Anyone banking on the military being a paper target is making a bad mistake.


If there’s a problem at Fleet level or in readiness that’s above COL and above Brigade.

Fair enough, but those high level problems cause problems downhill, no?

You wanna diss your brahs go ahead.

It will help in discussions like this if you separate the emotions from the facts. As stated above, this is not about "dissing" anyone. It's about observing facts and analyzing them.

My quite limited understanding of naval air fleet readiness may be waaaaay off base. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. But what I'm trying to do is take the input from people that do know what they are talking about and combine that with informed opinions of people like Vox and not temper my conclusions with butthurt over the idea of that the US military is not what it once was or has strong as it is currently purported to be.

None of us will know the truth of this unless and until the US stands in battle against the Chinese or a similar enemy.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 2:10 PM  

Our last combat engagement with Communist China was on the Yalu River. Please don't assume everything is the same.

Blogger bdoran July 23, 2019 2:11 PM  

Yes I have no doubt they’ve leveraged the SF86s quite handsomely, not mine, I wasn’t dumb enough to put anything on it (boring drinking stories anyway).

On the subject of chasing goat herders - still more combat then China has.

I’m not boldly confident on our abilities in peer conflict. It really takes distortion to glean that from what I said. I did say our soldiers and marines can fight and that real problems such as they occur will happen when it gets above Brigade.

But our warriors are not a rabble in drag.

I quite specifically said; “when you get to DOD civilian you have your choice of incompetent or corrupt. “

What is boldly confident there?

Yes we are betrayed. I believe I said that too. I’ll repeat it with Bold Confidence (TM).

I’m not worried about China unless they invade America. Deal with that if it happens.

I’m not overly concerned with maintenance shortages or readiness stats- I’ve heard that song sung (with truth) many times.
I’d be more worried going into conflict if we were given a rosy maintenance picture. Because then we’re being dissembled to.

I could say I’m worried about Civil War - but I’m resigned if that’s fate.

I do want to correct the impression being created on the Right (I’m reactionary BTW) that we’re a rabble in drag- because I sense they’re screwing up their courage to shoot at the wrong guys.

I think I also made the point that if the rest of the government followed our example and honored their oaths instead of putting themselves above elected officials we wouldn’t be talking about unraveling or Civil War. In this for all our faults we still set the example.

They should follow it.
Because in a direct challenge we’re really not paper tigers.

Cheers all

Blogger OneWingedShark July 23, 2019 2:11 PM  

Job La Salle wrote:What is the best way for young American men to be trained for war if the military is so decrepit?
A lot of the basic-skills institutions, like boy-scouts and state militia have been destroyed and/or demonized; it is quite possible for the very reason you bring up.


Perhaps the most sure way is to start your own militia, or "gun club", and do the training yourself — many of the Army's Field Manuals and Training Manuals are available in PDF.

bdoran wrote:Anyone banking on the military being a paper target is making a bad mistake.
It's not a "paper target" it's that *EVERYTHING* is arrayed against them: foreigners involved with their equipment, the culture destruction, and as you said the higher-ups betraying them. Given these three things alone, it's NOT wise to say "they're going to be victorious"… or even 'OK'.

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 2:12 PM  

bdoran wrote:Honestly; FACT if you don’t know what FRC is you don’t know the US military.

You don't rhetoric very well, do you?

Admittedly poor rhetoric at this stage of the game, but your initial comment made some high level claims about the military. Looked to me like you were asserting an operational or higher level perspective.

THAT's what I was attacking, because anyone on the high end would have known what FRC was or at least done a basic Internet search to see what he was missing.

To be perfectly clear: I was not "attacking" your lack of knowledge of what FRC stands for, I was "attacking" your knowledge of military capability.

The fact that you continued with the false understanding that FRC deals with boats demonstrates you did not both to spend the 30 seconds to check into it. No biggie really; but you clearly are offering analysis of military capability well above your "pay grade."

Blogger The Jabroni July 23, 2019 2:13 PM  

I’m in the same situation as the emailer and I can confirm this. There are tons of people around that I just wonder how they get cleared. And the company is way more worried about diversity and LGBT pride initiatives than about hiring quality engineers. If I hear “diversity is our strength” one more time, I might go insane.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 2:14 PM  

This topic also triggers Boomers (not the submarine) greatly.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 2:18 PM  

Tars Tarkas wrote:Are we talking US states fighting in a state level war like Civil War One? Or are we talking about an insurgency where there are group(s) of patriots fighting the various states and the fed?

We currently see states like California openly defying the Feds, and the Feds studiously ignoring it. More states are going to become more defiant. It won't just be the Left, either - Right states are going to start defying Leftist diktats from DC. On the Left we already see sanctuary states for illegals, on the Right we're starting to see sanctuaries for gun owners.

We are likely to see disaffected citizens who don't like that state defiance start taking partisan style actions against their states, and other groups might start peeing in the partisans' cheerios with state complicity. This has already begun, with Antifa getting unofficial official support to attack people protesting Leftist official policies.

In short, we're going to see a slow slide into more of the same, harder, faster and deeper.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 2:24 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:Perhaps the most sure way is to start your own militia, or "gun club", and do the training yourself — many of the Army's Field Manuals and Training Manuals are available in PDF.

I'd recommend a paint ball club, with teams that compete. A few members might have some idea of what you're training for, but everyone could have a good time and learn how to play together.

Whatever you do, don't call it a militia, unless you're looking to get a bunch of federal informants to join.

Blogger Argus Bacchus July 23, 2019 2:37 PM  

"Whoever writes The Decline and Fall of the United States of America in the wake of the final US collapse is going to have a very difficult time convincing future generations that the historical Americans were genuinely as stupid as they are being described."

And, conveniently for that future author, zhe/it won't find it particularly necessary or helpful to have lived in the U.S., as William Shirer did in Germany prior to writing "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich."

Zhe/it can just log onto Twitter.

Blogger RandyB July 23, 2019 2:45 PM  

Reenactors. Gulf War I was 30 years ago. Vietnam ended 45+ years ago.

Blogger Robert What? July 23, 2019 2:53 PM  

This is why the US military are threatening to use nukes. They will get their asses handed to them in a conventional war.

Blogger Ferdinand July 23, 2019 2:54 PM  

Similar things are happening all over Europe, in most countries the potential hostile foreigners are all over the grunt positions. Officer staff is still mostly native.

Blogger Unknown July 23, 2019 3:01 PM  

One last comment about Fleet Readiness Centers.

If you think that title has anything to do with ships, you are wrong.

The surface Navy has their own intermediate level of maintenance, just like Naval Aviation does, and it should surprise no one that someone who comes from outside of Naval Aviation does not know what FRC stands for.

I was in Naval Aviation on the supply side for most of my career, and all I can tell you about the surface version of FRC is that it was called SIMA (Shore Intermediate Maintenance Activity) once upon a time. I do not know if all the various SIMAs got regionalized, like the various AIMD activities did when the Fleet Readiness Center got stood up, but I would not be surprised if they were.

As to foreign nationals getting clearances, I think that is an artifact of the diversity cult infecting corporate HR departments. Combine that with the short time preference most business majors concentrate on now, where managers prefer to hire cheap to boost their bonus and screw the long term prospects of their company being able to maintain competence in their area of expertise, and you get development divisions staffed by FORN at the expense of legacy Americans.
-Unknownsailor-

Blogger Noah B. July 23, 2019 3:06 PM  

Zerohedge ran a good article a couple of days ago discussing the ongoing breakdown in the military's supply chains and human resources.

War Profiteers And The Demise Of The US Military-Industrial Complex

Long story short, the MIC is falling apart and our potential adversaries don't have the same problems. And this is before even considering the effects of diversity on competence and morale.

Blogger Astrosmith July 23, 2019 3:11 PM  

Roughly half of the engineering graduate students where I went to get my masters degree in engineering were Chinese. We have been teaching them everything we know in the name of our "open society", and allowing much of our industry to be pulled out from under us.

Blogger ZhukovG July 23, 2019 3:12 PM  

@bdoran: In fairness, my visits to Lejeune and Quantico last year left me with the impression that, at least at a tactical level, the Marines are in pretty good shape.

My visit to Ft Benning however, left me feeling that the army was more of a mixed bag.

I would dare say that the Marine's biggest weakness is the US Navy. An MEU on the beach is a force to be reckoned with. An MEU on ship is at the mercy of our modern 'inclusive' US Navy.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov July 23, 2019 3:22 PM  

The US Military is terrible, but all other Militaries are much worse.

Blogger LAZ July 23, 2019 3:25 PM  

I've lived my life surrounded by military and ex-military and that's the first time I've heard someone say Semper Fi and claim to be a soldier. No Marine I know would let you get away with calling them soldier.

Blogger Brett baker July 23, 2019 3:34 PM  

Yeah, but mortgages were 21%.

Blogger Newscaper312 July 23, 2019 3:34 PM  

Re Foreign STEM PhDs, a few things contributing to this...

Wall Street financial wizardry could pay a lot more than STEM for a math-heavy BS, than getting the grad degree could bring.

Grad school would stretch out the time here on a student visa for the foreigners, util something maybe turns up to let them stay and work.

Foreign students paying full freight cash (often paid by their government), colleges love that. State university here regularly goes to India to recruit students for grad school.

Unintelligible ESL foreign grad school TAs teaching undergrad STEM courses to real Americans helps drive the out of the major.

Indian, Middle Eastern, and to a somewhat lesser extent Chinese students cheat in droves. If egregious enough it can't be totally ignored, may get a slap on the wrist because they don't really understand our notion of cheating due to their culture (ugh).

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2019 3:36 PM  

Who did that, LAZ? I'd buttsroke a mother fucker in the brain housing group who did that to me.

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 3:41 PM  

Unknown wrote:One last comment about Fleet Readiness Centers.

it should surprise no one that someone who comes from outside of Naval Aviation does not know what FRC stands for.



Point taken. My perspective is clearly from the aviation side. Mea Culpa.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction July 23, 2019 3:41 PM  

Well let's pray that the US avoids war with China. It's stuff like this that makes it readily apparent why the Roman people were finally willing to accept Octavian as de facto king of Rome.

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 3:49 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Who did that, LAZ? I'd buttsroke a mother fucker in the brain housing group who did that to me.

bdoran did it in post 50 before he started saying he was not a Marine, he is a soldier.

This was after he said this in his opening comment

"Same with the Marines. We don’t lose wars, we are betrayed at table, "

which implied he's a Marine.

Blogger Joe July 23, 2019 3:50 PM  

They feign stupidity to hide their evil intentions.

Blogger OneWingedShark July 23, 2019 3:53 PM  

Jim the Curmudgeon wrote:White americans ceded STEM to foreigners, with the end result that white PhD holders in those disciplines are a tiny number in comparison.
You are absolutely and utterly wrong here: it wasn't ceded, it was stolen.
Stolen by people who inflated job "requirements" so as to cater to a foreign people who would gladly pencil-whip their resumes and certifications, all to save a couple of dollars and deny the Citizen employment. The STEM shortage was never anything but a lie to motivate ever more hits for their cheap-labor addiction.

ar10308 wrote:@24 Who do we know that runs American University admission offices that would be happy to preference foreigners over White Americans?
The corrupt.

ZhukovG wrote:@Ominous Cowherd: I believe President Trump will do everything he can, short of actually start a civil war.

Eventually, that is likely what it will come to. But I am thankful for any delay President Trump provides us with. More time to prepare.

And to pray, don't forget to pray.

Barbarossa wrote:@39 I was in the Navy for 30 years and retired just a few years ago. I have no idea what FRC means. Hiding behind acronyms is a tell.
Army here; FRC is associated w/ "Family Readiness Center/Contact" in my mind… or Federal Records Center. But I'm not sure either of those fit.

Blogger OneWingedShark July 23, 2019 4:00 PM  

camcleat wrote:Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Who did that, LAZ? I'd buttsroke a mother fucker in the brain housing group who did that to me.

bdoran did it in post 50 before he started saying he was not a Marine, he is a soldier.

This was after he said this in his opening comment
"Same with the Marines. We don’t lose wars, we are betrayed at table, "
which implied he's a Marine.

Or it could be "we" as in the military-types, "we who served".
e.g. I could say "We got betrayed in Viet Nam by our political class" without implying that I served in Viet Nam.

Blogger Brendan July 23, 2019 4:05 PM  

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Blogger Brendan July 23, 2019 4:07 PM  

It has already been written.

Biohistory- Decline and Fall of the West
Dr Jim Penman - biohistory.org

Blogger Aeroschmidt July 23, 2019 4:12 PM  

As a person who works in STEM, graduate degrees are for losers. Actual experience is way more valuable. The additional schooling is almost never applicable to actual work and is a impediment to being hired.

Further education is only useful to max out a pay scale if you're doing government or union.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 23, 2019 4:13 PM  

Kind of ironic, the usual war nerds go straight to hardware when challenged on US superiority, I guess that might be an issue.

Imagine in year 2022 Maverick all prepped on the cat ready to plunder the PLA bastards with his F-35C Thunderpig and as he is being shot off the boat a Chinese accented voice comes over his comms and says "Sucker" then the Thunderpig's one engine goes poof and Mav gets turned into shark chum. But nobody on the bridge gives a damn because it's near mutiny over the feud that Shaniqua is having with Becky over Darnell and his big submarine.

Blogger camcleat July 23, 2019 4:16 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:Or it could be "we" as in the military-types, "we who served".

e.g. I could say "We got betrayed in Viet Nam by our political class" without implying that I served in Viet Nam.


That's certainly a fair interpretation - one I missed.

If that's how he meant it, does that square with his Semper Fi which was stated before the soldier "clarification?" As LAZ said, even I know not to mix that with "soldier."

He's been a bit slippery.

Blogger cecilhenry July 23, 2019 4:19 PM  

Not just stupidity.

Its wanton negligence or complicity

Blogger cecilhenry July 23, 2019 4:26 PM  

@90


Yup.

Its a crime and a completely sellout of Whites when you find yourself in a graduate class at a Canadian university in this case, with 2 Canadians and 8 non-Whites from China and India and Islamophobia.


And an India professor.


I was there-- its simultaneously disgusting and surreal.


Sellout out your nation and future: those foreign students pay $40,000/year tuition while Canadians pay $6000.

So university elites forgot that the infrastructure if FOR OUR PEOPLE.


Blogger Longtime Lurker July 23, 2019 4:27 PM  

Way back in the day, an obscure think tank I was affiliated with hosted a small number of Chinese officials, including two PLA senior colonels and the future foreign minister of China.

The goal was to further bilateral cooperation and mutual understanding - all to support the enlistment of China as an eventual partner in maintaining the liberal international economic order.

Not that the PLA types cared. They spent their time collecting open source (freely available) intelligence information on the Revolution in Military Affairs, which went to China for detailed analysis.

The PLA has been studying the American military problem for a very, very long time. Judging from teh anecdotal account in Vox's post, the PLA is now able to collect real-time intel from myriad sources inside the U.S. defense-industrial complex.

This doesn't mean China will win a war with the United States. It only means that China will have more than a few devastating surprises in the event of hostilities.

Always Remember: China has the oldest and perhaps the most sophisticated strategic culture on the planet. Even with a peasant army, Mao damn near kicked the U.S. military off the western edge of the Eurasian mainland.

Blogger cs123 July 23, 2019 4:28 PM  

Why would they have trouble believing it? Do you have trouble believing that the Roman legions were primarily composed of non-Romans and that both Western and Eastern empires regularly used mercenaries made up of individuals from enemy nations during their downfall? Because that's exactly what happened with Roman and Constantinople.

Blogger Longtime Lurker July 23, 2019 4:31 PM  

@99: off the "eastern edge" . . .

Blogger BalancedTryteOperators July 23, 2019 4:49 PM  

Edward Gibbon was a nogoodnik.

Blogger BriarRabbit July 23, 2019 5:00 PM  

The stupidity has been ongoing for decades.

In the mid-90s I was a counterintelligence agent stationed on Oahu. The military auctioned off stuff that was no longer needed - desks, filing cabinets, etc.

They als9.auctioned off computers. The classification code used for them didn't require destruction. They were auctioned off hard drive and all. The biggest buyer? Chinese.

Blogger Dave Dave July 23, 2019 5:07 PM  

You have to be careful what information you give the Chinese in any scenario. Perhaps if you give them a gift first, they'll stay quiet or do something in return.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction July 23, 2019 5:13 PM  

@100

I hope that if America does fall, and if there is an attempt to reconstitute America in the same way Justinian attempted to reconstitute Rome, I hope those efforts are more fruitful than Justinian's.

Blogger MichaelJMaier July 23, 2019 5:27 PM  

I spent a good amount of time today utterly unable to understand an Asian dude named "Fu". He can't spell in Engrish, either.

I am really curious to know how the Hell he got a DOD accounting job.

Blogger MichaelJMaier July 23, 2019 5:33 PM  

Job La Salle wrote:What is the best way for young American men to be trained for war if the military is so decrepit?

To test one's ability to "embrace the suck", I would suggest a Spartan race in really rainy or muddy conditions. I have had firefighters and military guys say it was harder than their training.

The first and third time here in Indiana, it was a total mud fest. The first time it was muddy AND cold. It was mentally-brutal to make myself finish.

But you need the bad conditions. The second year was dry and warm and it felt like nothing. Another friend did the longer distance version in nice weather and said it was much, much easier than the shorter version in mud.

Blogger Mark Stoval July 23, 2019 5:34 PM  

@103 "The stupidity has been ongoing for decades."

Yes, indeed. The real problem has been overwhelming arrogance. No way for the USA to lose don't ya know.

Besides arrogance, there is no nation to fight for. There is only an empire. A nation-state. A conglomeration of peoples and races.

On my mother's side we are Welsh and go back to the earliest days. On my dad's side we are Scott-Irish and go back almost as far. But why would I care if the cosmopolitan evil wins or loses the next war? Could the empire even win one?

Blogger Crew July 23, 2019 6:03 PM  

@106: I spent a good amount of time today utterly unable to understand an Asian dude named "Fu". He can't spell in Engrish, either.

Michael: "How do you spell your name?"

Fu: "F U"

Blogger Galaxy 1 July 23, 2019 6:05 PM  

As long as China invades the west coast only and Russia takes the east coast that is probably a remedy to the Marxist plague in America. We can keep the center for a while longer before all the kids and teens grow up to be stupid Marxists then the rest of the country can come down.

Blogger MichaelJMaier July 23, 2019 6:05 PM  

Crew wrote:@106: I spent a good amount of time today utterly unable to understand an Asian dude named "Fu". He can't spell in Engrish, either.

Michael: "How do you spell your name?"

Fu: "F U"



I barely understood when he explained to the classroom (leadership workshop) that's why he changed it to "Tony".

Blogger Crew July 23, 2019 6:06 PM  

@94: As a person who works in STEM, graduate degrees are for losers.

I have to agree with this. Even undergraduate degrees, given the shit that goes on in college these days, are next to worthless.

Experience is much more useful.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction July 23, 2019 6:18 PM  

@104

If we weren't living in clown world I'd postulate that perhaps certain defense industries were participating with the DoD by shuffling their Chinese to programs designed to recieve bad/compromised info with the intent that it would work it's way into Chinese hardware....but we live in clown world.

Blogger Dave R July 23, 2019 6:46 PM  

By staring an exclusive Whites only homeland so they can have something worth fighting for.

Blogger Hammerli 280 July 23, 2019 6:54 PM  

@43 "If you don't know what DACOWITS is, you are way behind as well."

(Hack, cough) You know, it's not polite to swear in front of the children. :-)

Blogger OneWingedShark July 23, 2019 7:00 PM  

MichaelJMaier wrote:I am really curious to know how the Hell he got a DOD accounting job.
Simple: the HR department showed how there's an Accountant shortage here in the US and there's no qualified Citizens for the job. (See this video.)

Theproductofafineeduction wrote:@104
If we weren't living in clown world I'd postulate that perhaps certain defense industries were participating with the DoD by shuffling their Chinese to programs designed to recieve bad/compromised info with the intent that it would work it's way into Chinese hardware....but we live in clown world.

Yep, the COMSEC equivalent of "transmit everything clear-text and hope nobody is listening in".

Blogger Hammerli 280 July 23, 2019 7:06 PM  

I'm perplexed...and pissed off. I've worked for the Navy for 39 years. It used to be that a SECRET clearance was reserved for natural-born U.S. citizens...to say nothing of what a TS took. Have things slipped THAT badly?

FWIW, I'd rate the situation as very reminiscent of ~1980. The American military was rode hard and put up wet for 25 years. Mostly on counterinsurgency operations that not only wore out equipment and personnel, but left no time to maintain proficiency to fight a peer opponent.

What's needed is not merely more money...although Trump is shaping up to be like Bush the Younger, providing about thirty cents of help to the dollar of need. What we need is an American Jackie Fisher, a leader determined to get ready to fight a peer opponent...and utterly ruthless in winnowing out the perfumed princes that pollute a peacetime officer corps.

Blogger RedJack July 23, 2019 7:08 PM  

I was among the last native born American classes of engineers at Iowa State. Seems the new dean realized that they got a lot more money from overseas students than Americans. I will never forget one of my classmates from mainland China would tell the kids from Taiwan that he will kill them and nuke the US.

Blogger OneWingedShark July 23, 2019 7:08 PM  

Hammerli 280 wrote:What we need is an American Jackie Fisher, a leader determined to get ready to fight a peer opponent...and utterly ruthless in winnowing out the perfumed princes that pollute a peacetime officer corps.
Then pray for it.

Blogger RedJack July 23, 2019 7:12 PM  

Hammerli 280 We can't afford it. We can't afford to pay the entitlements much more than to 2024. Let along the massive benefit costs to military personal (hint, there is a reason the Koch companies hire military. It is because their benefits are paid for by Uncle Sugar).

We are screwed. Honestly, I wanted this to happen 20 years ago, not with a family.

Blogger ADS July 23, 2019 7:36 PM  

Most of my career has been in military aerospace manufacturing. 3d models and blueprints of military aviation equipment were regularly sent to be worked on by Indian contractors, which imo was a clear ITAR violation but the bosses never seemed worried.

Blogger RigsOfChad July 23, 2019 8:06 PM  

I am in the employ of one of the largest of these corporations. It is stated as company policy that English is not the official language of the corporation. Everything in the OP is accurate.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 23, 2019 8:30 PM  

You are absolutely and utterly wrong here: it wasn't ceded, it was stolen.
Stolen by people who inflated job "requirements" so as to cater to a foreign people who would gladly pencil-whip their resumes and certifications, all to save a couple of dollars and deny the Citizen employment.


@90 OneWingedShark
If American job seekers had to meet the same standards of American employers that H1B Indians and Chinese do, our unemployment rate would be essentially nil.

Blogger ScottC July 23, 2019 9:07 PM  

What does our military fight for anyway? To spread feminism and globohomo to Muslim countries?

Blogger justaguy July 23, 2019 9:49 PM  

The clearance problem with the Chinese really started with the Clinton regime. China illegally funneled $ into the Clinton 96 campaign and lots of secrets walked out. Once the changes were made to the system to give Chinese born scientist and engineers clearances-- well over the next 20+ years the Chinese government figured out that contractors would hire Chinese if they worked for less $. So they do and the Chinese government gets the secrets.

As far as the US not having prepared engineers-- what BS. There is an issue of companies paying squat to engineers because the H1B visa holders will take tens of thousands $ less per year in order to stay in US and get a green card. So of course US companies like saving millions by hiring foreign H1Bs.

Lastly-- on the interest issue above- NBER paper on T-bill interest rates in the 1979s and 1980s is worthwhile. Bottom line, counting inflation, Tbills in 1970s were behind about 1% the average rate and 1980s were about even-- once inflation is counted. Nothing like several years of 12%+ inflation to depreciate wages.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 23, 2019 9:51 PM  

ScottC wrote:What does our military fight for anyway? To spread feminism and globohomo to Muslim countries?

The one thing the US imperial forces NEVER do is protect the borders of America.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 23, 2019 10:55 PM  

The clearance problem with the Chinese really started with the Clinton regime.

Some here are probably too young to remember the minor scandal of the Clintons selling White House access to Chinese campaign donors. It was "minor" because the media declared all Clinton scandals to be minor, and there were so many to choose from that that one didn't hold anyone's attention for long. It probably should have, considering what we know now about their mishandling of classified info.

Blogger PJW Gent July 24, 2019 7:56 AM  

camcleat wrote:Unknown wrote:One last comment about Fleet Readiness Centers.

it should surprise no one that someone who comes from outside of Naval Aviation does not know what FRC stands for.



Point taken. My perspective is clearly from the aviation side. Mea Culpa.

To a Marine, FRC would probably mean Force Recon Company or FORCON, since that is the current term. Why would a Marine care what the Navy called their units? The average Marine only thinks of ships as something he wants off of.

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:21 AM  

Vox is not wrong to post the letter at all. We’re being sold out.
This is just an important detail.

We’ll suffer for it.

But the uniformed military remains essentially sound and loyal.

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:23 AM  

We won’t know what form civil war takes until -if and when-it happens.

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:26 AM  

I would think the personal challenge warranted some strength but fine, ceasing fire.

Cheers

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:27 AM  

We’ll fight well.
It may not be enough.

China won’t conquer America however at the end of the day.

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:28 AM  

Ceasing fire
Cuz pointless

My pay grade lol

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:31 AM  

The army is a mixed bag
I would say the marines have higher uniform performance - they are small and have a very strong culture. With the army it depends on the unit and the leadership.

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:34 AM  

Yeah
The parsing
I was being sarcastic
Because someone challenged my credibility and also gave me a how dare you.

Being a bit of a troll he was with that. Kind of like you now.

Real life I’m cool with the marines and they’re cool with me.

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:37 AM  

Yes the we who serve.

The parsing games may continue.

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:41 AM  

Troll.

Blogger bdoran July 24, 2019 8:44 AM  

The military is not decrepit.

Our civilian leadership is decrepit.
We however are bound by Oath to obey the Constitution and so obey the Decrepit.

Blogger flyingtiger July 24, 2019 10:09 AM  

As my Roman history professor once said, "Bad things happen when you let the Goths cross the river."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 24, 2019 2:26 PM  

bdoran wrote:We however are bound by Oath to obey the Constitution and so obey the Decrepit.

Everything I see suggests that the Oath is to the pension, and to getting through 20 years without ever taking blame or responsibility.

What is this constitution you are fantasizing about?

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