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Wednesday, July 17, 2019

National Cuckservatives

It's a totally new and hip movement! Never mind the neoclowns behind the curtain:
Politics in America, Britain, and other Western nations have taken a sharp turn toward nationalism—a commitment to a world of independent nations. This has been disorienting to many, not least the American conservative movement, which has, since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, grown increasingly attached to a vision of a global “rules-based liberal order” that would bring peace and prosperity to the entire world while attenuating the independence of nations. 

The return of nationalism has created a much-discussed “crisis of conservatism” that may be unprecedented since modern Anglo-American conservatism was formulated by Russell Kirk, William Buckley, and their colleagues in the 1950s. At the heart of this crisis is a question: Is the new American and British nationalism a hostile usurper that has arrived on the scene to displace political conservatism? Or is nationalism an essential, if neglected, part of the Anglo-American conservative tradition at its best?

The conference on “National Conservatism” will bring together public figures, journalists, scholars, and students who understand that the past and future of conservatism are inextricably tied to the idea of the nation, to the principle of national independence, and to the revival of the unique national traditions that alone have the power to bind a people together and bring about their flourishing.

We see this public conference as the kick off for a protracted effort to recover and reconsolidate the rich tradition of national conservative thought as an intellectually serious alternative to the excesses of purist libertarianism, and in stark opposition to political theories grounded in race. Our aim is to solidify and energize national conservatives, offering them a much-needed institutional base, substantial ideas in the areas of public policy, political theory, and economics, and an extensive support network across the country.
Conservatives couldn't conserve the ladies room. Don't count on them to save the American nation. They're not nationalists, they're Neoclowns 2.0.

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Blogger D. July 17, 2019 9:00 PM  

Report From The Gatekeeper’s Ball: Yoram Hazony Really Hates The Right; Zionist Attempt To Co-opt National Conservatism Will Fail.

https://vdare.com/articles/report-from-the-gatekeeper-s-ball-yoram-hazony-really-hates-the-right-zionist-attempt-to-co-opt-national-conservatism-will-fail

Blogger Grime Knight July 17, 2019 9:10 PM  

They heard Trump's clarion call of "nationalist, use that word!", saw the Overton Window move, and thought, "Time to change pants...again!"

Snakes. The lot of 'em.

Blogger Unknown July 17, 2019 9:13 PM  

Yeah, the zman attended. He was thoughly repelled.

Blogger Retrenched July 17, 2019 9:23 PM  

Standing athwart history yelling "theres a conservative case for this!" - Scott Greer

Blogger Quilp July 17, 2019 9:34 PM  

@4- OK, I'm going to steal that.

Blogger Silent Draco July 17, 2019 9:42 PM  

Dress code: Blazwr and bowtie. Some optional.

Blogger Azimus July 17, 2019 9:49 PM  

"...while attenuating the independence of nations."

Wow thats a bit of a loaded statement....

Blogger Crew July 17, 2019 9:54 PM  

Vox, will you be able to continue to post now that the EU has a not-so-secret plan to combat 'hate speech'?


https://reclaimthenet.org/eu-digital-services-act/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Blogger Daniel July 17, 2019 10:00 PM  

Why would conservatives conserve bathrooms? They've got more gay skeletons in the closet than Barney Frank on Halloween.

Blogger JAG July 17, 2019 10:08 PM  

Daniel wrote:Why would conservatives conserve bathrooms? They've got more gay skeletons in the closet than Barney Frank on Halloween.

Had they managed to conserve merely that they could have kept the charade going a bit longer. Instead, everyone now sees them as the Washington Generals. They don't scare anybody, and their insults are even weaker than those from the Left.

Blogger SirHamster July 17, 2019 10:12 PM  

NatCon sounds gay. Do not want.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 17, 2019 10:12 PM  

How involved will the Quincy Institute be in this new conservatism?

Blogger ZhukovG July 17, 2019 10:15 PM  

They are absolutely terrified. They should be.

Blogger Ska_Boss July 17, 2019 10:18 PM  

@ Arthur Isaac
More like The Frankfurt School

Blogger JovianStorm July 17, 2019 10:47 PM  

They're not really "conservative" in the sense of traditional values. They are "conservative" as in the sense of "sticking to the same retarded obsession with civility in the face of gibbering natives who only want to kill their enemies."

When RINOs go down, it's no different than removing a parasite.

Blogger Crew July 17, 2019 11:00 PM  

Maybe Ben Shapiro has to go back!

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 17, 2019 11:07 PM  

They are trying to "Tea Party" us again.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 17, 2019 11:10 PM  

In 1833 is was conservative to kill the beast.
In 1933 is was conservative not to.
What will 2033 bring?

Blogger Rough Carrigan July 17, 2019 11:18 PM  

Conservatism is intellectual homeopathy.

Blogger mike July 17, 2019 11:46 PM  

At this point its better to simply ditch the 'conservative' label entirely. Lets hope that the Right eventually realizes that.

Blogger Ken Younos July 18, 2019 12:04 AM  

I think conservatism is ineffectual because, at the heart of conservatism there is a contradiction. What I mean is that conservative ideology includes progressivism. Conservatives believe that there is such a thing as moral progress of society and world. The only difference in this respect between conservatives and those on the Left, is that to the Left progress is unimpeded. Conservatives, on the other hand, arbitrarily draw lines as to where progress is supposed to stop, where conservation of traditional ways and values is supposed to begin. But conservatives end up stepping over those lines and drawing new lines further on down the road of progress, because the logic of progressivism compels them to do so. It just takes them longer to accept the changes that the Left is making.

Blogger Ken Younos July 18, 2019 12:26 AM  

In order to destroy belief in moral progress, a sort of ethical nihilism is necessary. "Social justice" is a man made idea which appeared to benefit western civilization for a time, but now we're starting to see where the logic of "social justice" ultimately leads. We need to start thinking about history and morality and rights in a radically new way. A post-progressive way.

Blogger tublecane July 18, 2019 12:30 AM  

"a commitment to a world of independent nations"

They make this sound like some kind of novel thing. Hello! That's the world we have now, to a degree. Of course, there are supernational and international organizations, but we're still living in an Age of Nations.

I guess the commitment part is the difference. Because Outer Party Conservatives aren't interested in conserving nationalism, so they lack commitment.

"This has been disorienting to many, not least the American conservative movement"

Not that they let anyone in on this explicitly when they were standing astride Iraq waving the Red, White, and Blue next to a bald eagle with a tear in its eye.But

"which has, since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989"

Oh, you mean the End of History? Is Fareed Zakaria an American conservative? Are conservatives Hegelians?

"grown attached to a vision of a global 'rules-based liberal order'"

Whom is this quoting? What even is that supposed to mean? I get the "global" part, I suppose. But what has been the foreign policy of American conservatism since '89? Even if you imagine it as aiming toward One-World government (and for many, it was), what is this "rules-based" worldwide liberalism?

Okay, one thing I'll admit is that they are convinced everyone could be turned into either Good Americans or productive flesh units for gradual consumption by the Vampire Lizard People--whichever way they prefer to say it--by adopting a constitution and free markets. And the Talmud maybe.

However, and this is a big however, how do they get from what we have now to globohomo on their terms? (Same terms as commies, but with fewer STDs.) Well, what were they up to between '89 and '19, I ask myself again. Remember the War on Terror? Which we're still fighting. Was that us as World Police enforcing "rules-based" liberalism? Or were we acting as a member of a coalition which was mostly us looking out for our own interests. Or certain other nations' interests, but in any case not the interest of World Justice.

Do we treat Russia and China like we treat Israel and Saudi Arabia? Why? Because the former adhere less to the phantom principles of whatever rules-based liberalism is supposed to be? Impartial observers can find no rules governing U.S. attitudes toward the Russian nation.

Anywhosits, conservatives were happy to invoke the holy concepts of patriotism after 1989. They may not have meant it, but that's what they'd have had us believe. Now suddenly with the ghost of Nazism, I mean nationalism on the horizon, they're all, "What're you, crazy? We never meant that."

Blogger justaguy July 18, 2019 1:03 AM  

In the US, it seems that conservatives are a declining minority, while CivNats like Trump are a plurality. The problem is that the CivNats too often cuck and vote for leftist who dress up in civilized attire. Look at how many voted in the big O, who was obviously a hard leftist.

Blogger The Greay Man July 18, 2019 1:04 AM  

Our rhetoric only grows stronger.

Thanks for teaching us, Vox.

Blogger Archella July 18, 2019 1:10 AM  

Devon Stack, made, what I think, is possibly the best rhetoric short film ever made, to counter this, vile misinformation. I found Owen, from this site, and I found Devon Stack, from Owen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-kdygA5U_k

Blogger Thad Tuiol July 18, 2019 1:25 AM  

"Conservatives couldn't conserve the ladies room"

So needs to go on a bumper sticker

Blogger Scuzzaman July 18, 2019 1:58 AM  

National Conservatism: like National Socialism but worse.

International Socialism: like National Socialism but worse.

Hobson’s bloody choice, innit?

Blogger Don't Call Me Len July 18, 2019 2:32 AM  

an intellectually serious alternative

They're still bitter at never getting picked for kickball. "My mommy says I'm super smart and shouldn't be playing with you stupid buttheads anyhow!"

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 18, 2019 2:56 AM  

The conservative movement is to catch the losers of Democratic party intercine warfare, key word "losers."

Blogger Joe Smith July 18, 2019 3:19 AM  

They're trying to get ahead of nationalism, in order to subvert it and gatekeep acceptable discourse. I think in doing so they're just going to open the flood gates, though.

Blogger Dire Badger July 18, 2019 4:04 AM  

Looks like the connies have realized that the wind isn't their way anymore, and are working on their Jingo Skinsuits.

Blogger SciVo July 18, 2019 4:34 AM  

Beep, boop. I have never seen wicked men jump in front of a virtuous movement and lead it into perdition, because I was programmed after the Tea Party. I trust National Conservatives to conserve my nation. Boop, beep.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 18, 2019 8:21 AM  

"bring peace and prosperity to the entire world while attenuating the independence of nations."

"Hey Bob, how do we downplay our desire to eliminate nations in our pro-nationalism statement?"
"Hmm, that is tricky. We need a big word no one knows. If we wrap it in the right context, people will assume its meaning from the rest of the text."
"How about 'attenuate'? It sounds like 'antenna,' which strengthens radio waves, or 'attention,' which is what you give to things you think are important. If they don't look it up, they could assume it's a positive thing."
"Buckley would be proud, Carl."

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 18, 2019 8:35 AM  

Our aim is to solidify and energize national conservatives, offering them a much-needed institutional base, substantial ideas in the areas of public policy, political theory, and economics, and an extensive support network across the country.

Translation: "Our aim is to corral all those on the right who might be getting actual nationalist ideas in their head back into the fold. Then we can veer back to globalism again. It's a set back, but we play a very long game."

Blogger McChuck July 18, 2019 8:40 AM  

"a protracted effort to recover and reconsolidate the rich tradition of national conservative thought ... in stark opposition to political theories grounded in race."

So, they want national conservatism without the national part.

Blogger Miguel July 18, 2019 9:08 AM  

"and in stark opposition to political theories grounded in race."

Meaning, in opppsition to nationalism.

They always slip freudianlly.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 18, 2019 10:25 AM  

who understand that the past and future of conservatism are inextricably tied to the idea of the nation, to the principle of national independence, and to the revival of the unique national traditions that alone have the power to bind a people together and bring about their flourishing.

The caveat: they mean paperwork nations with Magic Dirt, rather than actual nations.

Blogger Tars Tarkas July 18, 2019 10:46 AM  

The Z-man attended this farce and wrote 2 columns about it so far. Check it out over at
http://thezman.com/wordpress/

Blogger DonReynolds July 18, 2019 11:07 AM  

I never thought things could ever get so confused, because I generally believe in progress. Medicine and scientific achievement clearly have improved in so many ways over the decades. Like many people, I look forward to breakthroughs and discoveries in the fight against disease and our natural enemies. Other improvements in technology, such as those in personal communication, have created a new connected life in ways that were the stuff of imagination and science fiction, not that long ago.

In my own lifetime, I have known relatives, who had never had the benefit of electric service in their own homes. Remember too, that these people did not think of themselves as poor. They were proud and propertied people with lovely houses and well-kept grounds. They had worked a good portion of their lives along-side mules and had traveled by horse to the nearest train station. They were elderly when they received their first telephone in the home (if they ever did), which was often a shared party-line.

My grandfathers were both young boys when the Wright Brothers flew the first airplane and one of them lived long enough to see men bounding on the surface of the moon. They were WWI veterans and their own sons were in WWII and Korea. These were people who had known the Ordeal Of Change (and I still re-read the book by that title, written by Eric Hoffer). Even though there was a great deal of change in their lives, it was not always welcome, or tolerated well, and often the benefits of change seemed to be the distant opinions of a few and not obvious to the many. These were people who were physically strong and willful, who were part of communities and societies that were intent on customs, traditions, and values....whether out of habit or independently embraced out of conviction, I could not say.

Was my family "nationalist"? Most certainly, and they considered themselves "patriots", all they way back to the American Revolution. Were they "conservative"? Absolutely, and they were known to be. God and Country were joined together and they did not split hairs about which was which. One without the other would not have been one of the choices and I doubt they would have thought a man had a choice in the matter. A man is born to a place, in a family, and part of a community and a people. They all have names and flags, each worthy of respect, especially from strangers.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl July 18, 2019 5:08 PM  

More like the Barney Frank School.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl July 18, 2019 5:11 PM  

Devon does amazing work. Go get his book, Day of the Rope & support a good guy doing good work, y'all.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 18, 2019 11:50 PM  

RE attenuating

I immediately read this as in an attenuated viral vaccine.

Of course they want to attenuate the independence of nations - they think the "nation" is a virus and that is can be resisted through repeated vaccinations in its various attenuated forms: the CivNat-vaccine for example.

Given a nation is made of people, they're quite literally trying to cause an autoimmune response. Probably why these globohomos were looking for a new Asian host in the Chinese Han.

Blogger Archella July 19, 2019 1:10 AM  

Thanks HGurl. Even though Devon's channel is called Black Pilled he's not black pilled, he's a super morale booster for our side. He's very brave. And so is Vox, which is why I am here. Fearless. It's an example to all of us.

Blogger Clay July 19, 2019 1:13 PM  

Speaking of "conserving the ladies room"...are all our military now showering and crapping together? Haven't heard much about that.

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