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Monday, July 08, 2019

New case, new charges

As more details surface, it has become clear that the recent arrest of Jeffrey Epstein is NOT dependent upon the undoing of his ludicrously favorable plea bargain in Florida:
Federal prosecutors appear to have resurrected a federal sex crimes case against the billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein by focusing on accusations that he sexually assaulted girls at his mansion in Manhattan — more than a decade after a widely criticized plea deal shielded him from similar charges in Florida.

Federal prosecutors are expected to unseal the new charges on Monday accusing Mr. Epstein, 66, of running a sex-trafficking operation that lured dozens of underage girls, some as young as 14, to his Upper East Side home, according to three law enforcement officials.
However, the fact that (((Epstein))) pled guilty to the Florida charges should make it easier to convict him now, since a clear pattern of behavior has been established.

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60 Comments:

Blogger D E K July 08, 2019 6:56 AM  

Has anyone an idea about the report that Comey's daughter is gonna prosecute?
I am also mildly concerned that the media is gonna pull Trump into that, having made a comment, a photo and taken a flight with Epstein's jet.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 08, 2019 6:59 AM  

MSN left out the name of the Florida states attorney who charged him with solicitation of a prostitute by the name of Barry Krischer, probably an Episcopalian of dubious character. As Coulter wrote Krischer is the clown who spent 3 years after Limbaugh for taking pain pills.

Blogger D E K July 08, 2019 7:08 AM  

Addendum: Cernovich made a good interview with Stephan Molyneux on his channel. Too bad he is getting no credit from the main stream media.

Blogger Joeplanet July 08, 2019 7:19 AM  

@1

Trump was on the plane once, catching a ride with Epstein's son. Takeoff and departure were both in the US. Not the infamous island. They have nothing. Or you would have heard of it by now.

Blogger Lazarus July 08, 2019 7:20 AM  

(((Christina Goldbaum, Joseph Goldstein and William K. Rashbaum contributed reporting.)))

Blogger Joeplanet July 08, 2019 7:24 AM  

For those who've complained that the swamp isn't being drained need to start paying attention.

The lower level crooks have been investigated and arrested over the last three years with thousands upon thousands on the business end of justice -- scooping up the rat lines.

Now the big fish are getting arrested with the biggest fish yet to come. Current year is best year.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky July 08, 2019 7:25 AM  

Sexual assault cases like this are among the few that the Fed Rules of Evidence allow prior acts of a similar nature to be used as evidence that the defendant is guilty of the present charge. Epstein and his lawyers will be cursing Rules 413 & 414 on this case.

Blogger JC July 08, 2019 7:25 AM  

"Addendum: Cernovich made a good interview with Stephan Molyneux on his channel. Too bad he is getting no credit from the main stream media."

History is written by the winners. We know what he did and he'll get the credit eventually.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 08, 2019 7:38 AM  

MSN article if I read it right hints that Epstein had Fedgov protection for all those years post plea deal, okay that would be during the reign of Obama and that corrupt POS SDNY fed prosecutor Preet B.

Also maybe that the Manhattan office of the states attorney might be a target for investigation, since the lead agency in bringing charges against Epstein was the governmental anti-corruption wing of the SDNY office.

I can hope.

Blogger Lazarus July 08, 2019 7:45 AM  

D E K wrote:Addendum: Cernovich made a good interview with Stephan Molyneux on his channel. Too bad he is getting no credit from the main stream media.

That is because it is the (((MSM)))

Zero Hedge gets it.

See: Trump Was 'Only One' To Help Prosecutor In 2009 Epstein Case

Blogger Steve Sky July 08, 2019 7:51 AM  

From the article, I note the "But President Trump did it too insinuation" with the very careful sentence framing:
That case unraveled in 2008 after Mr. Epstein was offered a secret plea deal by federal prosecutors, one of whom is now in President Trump’s cabinet.

In fact, Mr. Epstein has long had links to a wide array of high-profile officials, celebrities and business moguls — from Mr. Trump to Bill Clinton to Prince Andrew.


The Left looks to use Epstein to attempt to take out President Trump, by associating him & his associates with Epstein.

Blogger camcleat July 08, 2019 8:21 AM  

D E K wrote:Addendum: Cernovich made a good interview with Stephan Molyneux on his channel. Too bad he is getting no credit from the main stream media.

Who cares about "credit?" Caring about credit for important work that needs to be done is enlightenment claptrap.

Blogger McChuck July 08, 2019 8:27 AM  

Charging (((Epstein))) with only one crime is brilliant.
Now they can charge him with another after this trial ends. Then another. Then another.

The process is the punishment.

Blogger McChuck July 08, 2019 8:29 AM  

Never forget that the guy who made the original sweetheart deal with Epstein was...
Robert Mueller.

Blogger Whitecloak July 08, 2019 8:35 AM  

God willing, this is the beginning of the boil's lancing. How much of what makes the swamp the swamp is based on mass blackmail of our duly elected reps and other DC beasts?

Blogger CarpeOro July 08, 2019 8:38 AM  

While channel surfing on the radio this morning this story came up. NPR was quick to label him as a friend of both Clinton AND Trump. Spread the guilt by association (or in the case of Trump, long past association), keep people quiet for fear of retaliation. The demolition of the National Public media outlets is way over due. There is nothing left to tip the scales in favor of keeping the radio or television networks running on my money.

Blogger tuberman July 08, 2019 8:58 AM  

POTUS never went to the Island, and kicked Epstein out of his golf club in 2009 for his sexual attempts toward a 14 year old girl.

Yet, this is likely the second shot, after the Nxivm cult roundup. The major line of attack at the DS will be about sex cults and child trafficking. This is more powerful than mere treason.

Blogger Lazarus July 08, 2019 9:00 AM  

Steve Sky wrote:From the article, I note the "But President Trump did it too insinuation" with the very careful sentence framing:



(((Christina Goldbaum, Joseph Goldstein and William K. Rashbaum contributed reporting.)))


The Left looks to use Epstein to attempt to take out President Trump, by associating him & his associates with Epstein.

That will only work on morons, so it is a good strategy

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 08, 2019 9:07 AM  

There was a lot of early misreporting on this (big surprise). Here's a quick rundown:

A woman (Virginia Giuffre) was working for Epstein's madam (Ghislaine Maxwell), and sued the madam for forcing her to have sex with Dershowitz, and those records were sealed along with all the other Epstein-related records. Dershowitz's argument is that this implicitly accused him of rape without a chance to face the charge in court, so he wanted the records *on that specific charge* unsealed to show his innocence. It became Dershowitz, Cernovich, and a Miami newspaper against the madam and a couple of John Does. The court agreed to unseal *those specific records*, while sending the rest of the records up to the next level court to be considered for unsealing. We don't know yet whether or when the rest of the records will be unsealed.

I don't know Cernovich's thinking; maybe he figured pry a little of it open and see what else might fall out. That makes sense, and it might yet have that result. I doubt Dershowitz was trying to expose the whole cabal; he was probably hoping to get exactly what he asked for: unsealing of his part while leaving the rest sealed.

There's no direct legal connection between that and the arrest. However, it could be that the FBI/NYPD said, "Crap, we'd better move and get this guy in custody before what's going on in Florida convinces someone he should commit suicide." We'll see whether James Comey's daughter is trying to prosecute him or protect him.

The left is now screeching about the connection between Trump and Epstein, but that's been out there since 2015/6. They ran those pictures and Trump's quotes about him and all that in left-wing conspiracy circles then. But the smarter ones in the MSM realized that was a tar baby, so they wisely left it alone. There's nothing new there, and the more you look at it the better Trump looks. The more desperate ones are dragging it out now because they're desperate. Alinsky: accuse your enemy of your own crimes.

Blogger Robert Browning July 08, 2019 9:09 AM  

Pedophilia is halacha. Pedophilia is legal under Jewish law. Under Jewish law Epstein committed no crime.

Blogger tuberman July 08, 2019 9:29 AM  

Joeplanet wrote:For those who've complained that the swamp isn't being drained need to start paying attention.

The lower level crooks have been investigated and arrested over the last three years with thousands upon thousands on the business end of justice -- scooping up the rat lines.

Now the big fish are getting arrested with the biggest fish yet to come. Current year is best year.

^^^THIS^^^

Nice summary!

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 08, 2019 9:33 AM  

To anyone clucking about how "the media" will play this, stop being part of the problem.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 08, 2019 9:33 AM  

As much as Cernovitch wants to take credit, it's not even plausible.

Blogger Avalanche July 08, 2019 9:42 AM  

@12 "Who cares about "credit?" Caring about credit for important work that needs to be done is enlightenment claptrap."

So, how much money have YOU sent to Cerno to allow him to keep doing this amazing work? I SERIOUSLY dislike Cerno -- and yet sending him money to do what the folks my tax dollars refuse to is the farthest thing from enlightenment claptrap!!

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 08, 2019 9:43 AM  

Has anyone an idea about the report that Comey's daughter is gonna prosecute?

That's being overstated because of who she is, probably intended to blackpill Trump supporters. She's not THE prosecutor, she's A prosecutor on the team. She's 30 years old, so she's not going to be running anything.

Blogger Nate July 08, 2019 9:44 AM  

after he is convicted everyone involved with the plea deal should be held liable for the abuse that happened after it.

Blogger Gregory the Great July 08, 2019 9:48 AM  

Maybe she hates her Dad anyway

Blogger Rabid Ratel July 08, 2019 9:53 AM  

Gregory the Great wrote:Maybe she hates her Dad anyway

Given the proclivities of the elites, there is a chance that she will act against Epstein and his cronies. That will always be a good thing.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 08, 2019 10:04 AM  

"Fuck you, dad!"

--The call of the Boomer and Millennial

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 08, 2019 10:04 AM  

camcleat wrote:Who cares about "credit?" Caring about credit for important work that needs to be done is enlightenment claptrap.



Yes. Ultimately credit is about vanity and pride. Sins.

I think VD has displayed a good attitude about this topic.

Blogger JAG July 08, 2019 10:05 AM  

Nate wrote:after he is convicted everyone involved with the plea deal should be held liable for the abuse that happened after it.

Starting with Mueller. Investigate that bastard for the corruption involving this sweet hart plea deal for a monster versus knowingly keeping innocent men in jail to protect an informant.

Blogger Joeplanet July 08, 2019 10:09 AM  

Double what Nate said. These people need to be held to account in the strictest sense of law and moral decency.

Blogger Desdichado July 08, 2019 10:15 AM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:camcleat wrote:Who cares about "credit?" Caring about credit for important work that needs to be done is enlightenment claptrap.



Yes. Ultimately credit is about vanity and pride. Sins.

I think VD has displayed a good attitude about this topic.

“A lot of people say, ‘Why do you care who gets credit?’… In the real world, issues like these matter, as this stuff isn’t free or inexpensive.”

“And going after billionaire pedophiles is the kind of stuff that gets you hurt or worse.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/06/cernovich-jeffrey-epstein-win-andrew-breitbart/

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2019 10:15 AM  

They'll give him immunity for the goods on Trump. It will be Russia 2.0.

Blogger Watcher of the skies July 08, 2019 10:18 AM  

The MSM is already writing the narrative:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/epstein-arrest-worry-donald-trump-110022029.html


Also if you google Epstein Clinton and search for photos the first to cone up are actually pictures of Trump and Epstein.... how concenient.

Blogger VD July 08, 2019 10:25 AM  

They'll give him immunity for the goods on Trump. It will be Russia 2.0.

They can't. There aren't any goods on Trump. He's clean in this regard.

Blogger Crew July 08, 2019 10:38 AM  

More on the indictments:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-08/jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-case-made-public-in-u-s-court

https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rSwm1qe8wA4s/v0

Blogger OGRE July 08, 2019 10:42 AM  

@7 Jab Burrwalky

I'm not sure that Rules 413 and 414 would be applicable here. Epstein hasn't been charged with anything under 18 USC 109A, and I don't see any claims that he was involved with any children under the age of 12 or 14 or that there are any claims involving force, threat, or non-consent. i.e. the charges involve sex trafficking, not sexual assault or abuse or any other non-consensual contact, or anything involving a minor under 12 or 14.

More relevant though is Rule 410 which prohibits introduction of evidence of guilty pleas and statements made during plea discussions, and which has no such exceptions like in 413 and 414. So that even if evidence from 413 and 414 is admissible, evidence of such in the form of a guilty plea or statement made during plea discussions would still be inadmissible.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 08, 2019 10:47 AM  

They'll give him immunity for the goods on Trump. It will be Russia 2.0.

In which they couldn't get any goods on Trump? Too many people think "the goods" can simply be manufactured, and anyone can be made to "flip" on anyone else. If it were that easy, they would have had Trump out of there by two summers ago. They couldn't manage to frame one ambitious young Greek; how much harder a target is a man who has been preparing for this for years?

Blogger kurt9 July 08, 2019 10:50 AM  

I'm wondering if Epstein will get whacked. There are a lot of people in high places that have to be very uncomfortable right now.

Blogger Crew July 08, 2019 11:07 AM  

@40: Yes, I suspect he will not see a trial.

Blogger Dan in Georgia July 08, 2019 11:36 AM  

That could be why he was picked up. He can’t sing if he is dead.

Blogger mrkai113 July 08, 2019 11:41 AM  

((("Mr. Epstein, 66...")))

Blogger Astrosmith July 08, 2019 11:58 AM  

Vox, pass on congratulations to Mike for us. We'll be praying for him.

Blogger basementhomebrewer July 08, 2019 12:17 PM  

That could be why he was picked up. He can’t sing if he is dead.

Better take his belt away from him and lock him in a cell without a door knob. We already know the Feds are infested with swamp creatures. A plea deal on an unrelated case in exchange for exterminating a rat is a definite possibility. Also we have all heard how bad things go for Pedos in prison. It would be easy to make it look like a natural consequence of being a pedo in jail.

Blogger Crew July 08, 2019 12:17 PM  

There is a lot of chatter out there about how this is going to be bad for Trump.

Sounds like the Democraps are just hoping for something, anything to smear Trump with.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 08, 2019 12:20 PM  

They grabbed him as soon as he entered the country and are holding him at a high security place in NYC while they argue for no bail. None of that inviting him to turn himself in stuff here. I think they're aware of the risk of either flight or murder. They're also seizing properties. That executive order about human trafficking a year and a half ago might be coming in handy.

Blogger Desdichado July 08, 2019 12:43 PM  

Crew wrote:There is a lot of chatter out there about how this is going to be bad for Trump.

Sounds like the Democraps are just hoping for something, anything to smear Trump with.

The three rules come in handy. Especially rule number 3. SJWs Always Project.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 08, 2019 12:47 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:. That executive order about human trafficking a year and a half ago might be coming in handy.

I don't think trafficking is one of the charges against Epstein, is it?

That EO was supposed to be a big deal, supposed to really damage the bad guys. Has it ever been used to date?

Blogger Zander Stander July 08, 2019 12:49 PM  

And all eyes are off the wall/immigration issue justlikethat. This is high theatre. They decided the mass shooting gambit is a bit overplayed. Vox, I am slightly disappointed that you think previous convictions is in any way allowed to influence a verdict.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 08, 2019 12:51 PM  

I don't think trafficking is one of the charges against Epstein, is it?

Pages 8 and 11 of the indictment.

Blogger Crew July 08, 2019 12:58 PM  

@50: The Trump Administration has announced they will be actually deporting 1M illegals who have already been issued deportation orders and just ignored them.

That is the way to get people used to the idea that illegals Have. To. Go. Back!

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 08, 2019 1:00 PM  

Epstein will sing like a canary to keep his ass from getting trafficked in prison.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon July 08, 2019 1:09 PM  

The story of how Epstein was given special treatment is just astonishing. Slapped on the wrist, sent to a cozy 'prison' from which he was allowed 12 hour day passes to rest at home. The MSM shows little interest in digging into the networks that allow this sort of crap.

Also, curious isn't it that NXVIM and the Lolita Express both involve Jewish females from billionaire families. Ghislaine Maxwell and the Bronfman sisters. I don't suspect we will see many exposes from the MSM on why women would be involved in actively pimping out children.

Blogger Crew July 08, 2019 1:23 PM  

@54: When your culture believes members of other groups are just like cattle ...

Blogger JAG July 08, 2019 1:25 PM  

Zander Stander wrote: Vox, I am slightly disappointed that you think previous convictions is in any way allowed to influence a verdict.

I'm sure he's really devastated by this, and is no doubt working overtime to improve your opinion of him.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 08, 2019 1:37 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:I don't think trafficking is one of the charges against Epstein, is it?

Pages 8 and 11 of the indictment.


A happy surprise! Now at long last that EO can see some use. Even better will be if someone surprises me with a link to a previous use of that EO to take down our enemies.

Blogger horsewithnonick July 08, 2019 3:44 PM  

Which will only encourage Trump to train the full force of his DOJ on Epstein and anyone implicated in his crimes.

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Blogger VD July 08, 2019 3:58 PM  

I am slightly disappointed that you think previous convictions is in any way allowed to influence a verdict.

That's nice.

The defendant, a registered sex offender, is not reformed, he is not chastened, he is not repentant; rather, he is a continuing danger to the community and an individual who faces devastating evidence supporting deeply serious charges.

Blogger Solon July 08, 2019 6:20 PM  

Well damn, it's a good thing for him that this country operates under Jewish law then, right?

Oh wait.

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