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Friday, July 05, 2019

No tax for young workers

Poland is getting serious about shutting down labor mobility:
Polish lawmakers have approved a measure that would exonerate most workers under the age of 26 from income taxes as the country seeks to stem the flow of its young people to other EU nations in search of better paying jobs.

The lower house of parliament approved the measure introduced by the ruling conservatives in a vote late Thursday by an overwhelming majority.

The bill would exonerate workers under the age of 26 from Poland's 18 percent personal income tax for those whose gross earnings don't surpass 85,500 zlotys (20,000 euros, $22,500) per year.

That level is higher than Poland's average income, estimated to be around 60,000 zlotys per year before tax.

The approval of the measure by the upper house of parliament and its signature by the president is widely expected.

Some two million people could benefit from the measure, according to supporters of the legislation, which should enter into force from August 1.
Despite the inevitable whining from the Open Borders crowd, it's a great idea. Now they should do something similar for married couples with children. Incentivize the behavior that benefits the nation. De-incentivize the behavior that harms the nation.

It's not a difficult concept.

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39 Comments:

Blogger Whitecloak July 05, 2019 12:32 PM  

A solid proposal. Those of us in the receiving lands often forget that the sending lands lose out with open migration as well- the nations sending their youth abroad lose their natural leaders among the next generation only to see them lost and corrupted in the imperial cities.

Globalization doesn't just harm our nations, but all nations.

Blogger Jason July 05, 2019 12:37 PM  

You nailed it VD. Incentives, incentives, incentives! The U.S. is falling off a cliff exactly because all the incentives point in that direction. The incentives here discourage marriage and children while encouraging massive debts strapped to the young. These are policies that can be changed.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( "Diversity" and "Excellence" are mutually exclusive terms ) July 05, 2019 12:38 PM  

VD
Incentivize the behavior that benefits the nation. De-incentivize the behavior that harms the nation.

It's not a difficult concept.


which is what makes it such an effective attack against a nation.

Blogger Rhys July 05, 2019 12:42 PM  

The relieving of taxes in my opinion should be looked upon a lot more seriously than the raising of minimum wage. Good on Poland.

Blogger Silent Cal July 05, 2019 12:47 PM  

God Bless those Poles and Hungarians!

Blogger carnaby July 05, 2019 12:56 PM  

I prefer a national sales tax to income tax. This gives younger people or those fresh out of college a way to mitigate their tax burden, and also reduces cost of compliance significantly.

Blogger xevious2030 July 05, 2019 1:05 PM  

"It's not a difficult concept."

No kidding. Very basic level logic. And yet so contested.

Blogger Sam Sutherland July 05, 2019 1:09 PM  

I know a young married couple with children who refuse to take advantage of the tax benefits available for married couples with children in my country. They think it's 'unethical' and 'theft' to capitalize on these benefits.

Blogger MATT July 05, 2019 1:11 PM  

Good. I've had my fill of Poles.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 05, 2019 1:14 PM  

I remember back in the 1980s, just when I was entering work, they didn't do federal income taxes for minors.
We kept mostly everything. I think the state still went for a cut. Or it might have been the other way around - my memory has long suffered much rum.

But there as a time when I recall going from a "wow now I have money" to "OMG I just got f**king robbed!" and I was told "well the law changed".

Just one more brick in the wall thanks to all those boomers who picked themselves up by the bootstraps and applied themselves real hard back in the 1960s, paid their way through school waiting tables and still had enough to buy a used corvette and make a down payment on their first home at age 22. So there they were, 20 years later, making damned sure my generation could not do it.

Good on Poland. Now maybe the USA will... oh wait that's hurt boomer and minority gibs. Can't have nice things. Just have to keep praying for collapse instead.

Blogger Nate73 July 05, 2019 1:16 PM  

The other eastern European countries all have the same problem don't they? Romania, Hungary, etc. If this is successful then they might adopt it too.

Blogger Brett baker July 05, 2019 1:23 PM  

A good idea. The God-Emperor got the amount exempt from income tax up to $12,000 per adult. Now make that available for children of married couples.

Blogger James G. July 05, 2019 1:34 PM  

The relieving of taxes in my opinion should be looked upon a lot more seriously than the raising of minimum wage.

The Living Wage crowd here in Blighty don't get the concept that if you didn't tax people on minimum wage - by raising the point at which you begin paying the basic rate - then you would effectively have the same take-home pay as the Living Wage.

There problem for them with it is that if you did that, then 'rich people' would pay less tax on that first bit of their income.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 05, 2019 1:36 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:I remember back in the 1980s, just when I was entering work, they didn't do federal income taxes for minors.

We kept mostly everything. I think the state still went for a cut.


In 1985, at the age of 16, I paid Federal, SS, and KY State taxes every paycheck. Didn't get any of it back after filing a return either. Minors did not get to claim themselves if their parents claimed them.

If your job gave you a W2, you paid taxes.

Blogger Joe H July 05, 2019 1:46 PM  

Hungary is already providing tax benefits to women who have children.

Blogger Wazdakka July 05, 2019 1:49 PM  

From the country that blessed the EU Parliament with Janusz Ryszard KORWIN-MIKKE. Also the state that held on to Christianity during the Soviet Union era.
I think more and more that Britain was correct to enter WW2 for Poland, but failed by surrendering her to the communists.
Post War Europe would have been a better place with Poland in it, I think.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 05, 2019 1:55 PM  

MATT wrote:Good. I've had my fill of Poles.

Minnesota would be happy to trade you their Somalis for your Poles, straight across.

Blogger Steb July 05, 2019 2:14 PM  

Eastern Europe shows us the way, yet again.

Blogger Winston Smith July 05, 2019 2:18 PM  

I thin there are a few logical progressions:

1. Not married and a parent (biological or adoption) by age 35? Your taxes start going up.
2. Never a parent by age 45-50? You lose your right to vote.
3. Never a married parent when you die? You can only will your estate to your relatives, the church or organizations that help children and indigent parents.

The future belongs to those who show up for it. Those who choose not to don't deserve the same freedom as those who do.

Blogger jaericho July 05, 2019 3:15 PM  

@17 from MN, can confirm.

Blogger The Lab Manager July 05, 2019 3:22 PM  

"1. Not married and a parent (biological or adoption) by age 35? Your taxes start going up.
2. Never a parent by age 45-50? You lose your right to vote.
3. Never a married parent when you die? You can only will your estate to your relatives, the church or organizations that help children and indigent parents."

:LOL: Right! And just how would you make this work? I can already see a number of problems of providing the wrong incentives.

Blogger TheLittleDuke July 05, 2019 3:29 PM  

This is how you do a large scale trial of a "minimum income" program -- something I'm NOT in favor of, but...

Take the poverty level say the first $50K and make it "tax exempt" -- no need to send checks out -- people do the work and get paid while keeping more money in their pockets putting more money into the local economy sooner.

Trust me existing payroll companies could implement this immediately as they are constantly tinkering with tax schedules...

Blogger Angantyr July 05, 2019 3:42 PM  

It doesn't help that the income tax is not indexed to inflation - were that so, the minimum 20,000 FRN threshold for taxation would be at least 400,000 or more

Blogger Brett baker July 05, 2019 4:04 PM  

Ohio would like to contribute to the trade.

Blogger Gregory the Great July 05, 2019 4:23 PM  

The Poles also have a program called "500 plus", meaning a mother will get 500 Zloty (about 140 dollars) per month per child. It is regularly criticised as it often works as an incentive to women who have no job and no husband and live on the tiny sums social security will pay them. For them having 5 children suddenly becomes a nice bargain whoever the father might be and whatever cheap junkfood their children might eat whilst they are drinking and watching TV. I think tax reductions are a much better approach because they can serve to incentivise intelligent parents to have more kids.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 05, 2019 4:26 PM  

@8 Sam Sutherland

Tell them to think of the benefits as a thank you gift from your country's Boomers.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 05, 2019 4:33 PM  

"MATT wrote:Good. I've had my fill of Poles.

Minnesota would be happy to trade you their Somalis for your Poles, straight across."

Poles may be the Mexicans of Europe, but they're less objectionable than Mexicans -- less Marxist, more law-abiding, and whiter.

We Americans really do have it worse than the Europeans.

Blogger anorganicbear July 05, 2019 5:17 PM  

I always thought a policy like this was eminently sensible. The amount of money young people contribute is paltry for the government, and if they are responsible you could easily save up a down payment for a home in a couple years just with the tax savings.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 05, 2019 6:07 PM  

Wait, so you're saying we shouldn't subsidize the societal cancer that is single motherhood? I've . . . I've never heard such an idea. I'm stunned.

Blogger ChicagoFire July 05, 2019 7:00 PM  

Should have triggered the boomers Vox like with your student debt articles. A couple commenters have bashed those cucks. Something along the lines of "Boomers taxed, young workers exempt." We need some more boomer cucks to out themselves from your audience ;)

Once again Poland shows us how it's done. Now if only Trump can follow suit.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon July 05, 2019 8:06 PM  

Good for Poland, but I fear they are too late. The Polish government is considering granting massive numbers of work visas to people from India, Pakistan and the like. Those are tribal, clannish, racist people who will start to take over Polish industries just like they have taken over Silicon Valley.

They'll lock down recruiting, candidate sourcing, outsourcing, etc etc... Indians specialize in excluding members of other groups, including other Indians of the wrong caste. They were invited into Fiji, and now they run the place to the detriment of the indigenous.

There are 1.5+ billion people in South Asia desperate to escape, compared to tens of millions of Poles, Swedes, Lithuanians, etc. Long run, they are dead if they allow anything but token migration.

Russia also has programs for families, including payouts for multiple children, subsidized mortgage rates for families, etc etc. Yes it has migrants, but not like the ones flooding into the west.

Plus the Russians don't mess around. A few months back a migrant raped a girl in Irkutsk or Yatkusk, and the governor of the oblast revoked all work permits for people of the migrant's nationality. The Siberians actually rioted and tried to find the guy to lynch him. That's how it is done.

Blogger rumpole5 July 05, 2019 8:22 PM  

Re: "they didn't do federal income taxes for minors." My withholding record for social security goes back to 1965 when I was 14. I remember getting a refund check in the spring, so I must have paid in to income tax also. I didn't pay in on the agriculture jobs I had: making hay, picking cucumbers and apples and such.

Blogger Sheila4g July 05, 2019 9:23 PM  

@31 Jim the Curmudgeon: "The Polish government is considering granting massive numbers of work visas to people from India, Pakistan and the like."

I also read (but cannot recall where) that they already have a significant Filippino workforce - again, not Mohammedans, but not White Europeans, either. Poland does NOT need a generation of hapas.

Blogger Avalanche July 05, 2019 9:37 PM  

@19 "organizations that help children and indigent parents"

You mean, Shaniqua and her 9 kids by 10 different fathers?!

FIRST save the nation... then look at ways to reward OUR people!

Blogger Paul M July 05, 2019 9:43 PM  

Now they should do something similar for married couples with children.

First marriages only. Mt 5:32 .

But it might be an idea to roll the tax on rather than having a hard cut-in at 26.

Blogger Uncephalized July 06, 2019 11:33 AM  

@Paul M it's generally a good idea to ramp any change instead of introducing a hard shock.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl July 06, 2019 11:58 AM  

FU. Try living near Atlanta Georgia for a few yrs & then tell me how sick of Poles you are. Our state now has a minority white population whereas 20-30 yrs ago the state was around 80% white, and most areas were in the 90-95% range. See how you fare when you go into a store that 10 yrs before you'd rarely see non-whites to now being unable to visit the store after dark.
Sorry. You'll get ZERO sympathy from me. I cannot even drive to the home where I was born in broad daylight and stand in the street long enough to snap a few pics, out of fear of being shot. When my parents built it, it was a beautiful little house with a white picket fence, with both a greenhouse & a playhouse that matched the house, in the yard. My mother & her friends pushed us in strollers to the beautifully manicured park and the local shops during the day, as well as to the Army base to drop by & visit our dads during their lunch break.
Now it's a hellhole that looks like Chi-Raq.

Blogger Richard Martel July 07, 2019 2:49 PM  

I would vote for this platform, hell I would run on it!

Blogger carnaby July 07, 2019 5:52 PM  

I like that he gets out on the ice and plays hockey.

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