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Sunday, July 07, 2019

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Imagine what this guy will conclude when he learns that I occasionally appear on Zhongnanhai state television.
Alt-right blogger Vox Day has taken to linking to Russia Today as a news source on topics various and sundry, making his site an interesting test case for studying the injection of Kremlin state media into the Western extreme right.
This is an interesting observation for several reasons. The thing is, both Zhongnanhai and Kremlin state media are far more intelligent, and also far more accurate about the West than the Western corpocratic media. This minor issue of media sources utilized on an individual's blog actually presages a much larger issue, which will be the neoliberals' eventual realization that by attempting to banish what they call "the Western extreme right" from everything from social media to payment processors, white Christian men with a right-of-center perspective will sooner or later realize that neoliberalism is the central problem and ally with all of its other enemies against it.

The Big Tech companies of the West had a head start, but they have blown their advantage by converging and trying to transform their techno-ecosystem into a weaponized system of extragovernmental social and political control. But their behavior means no one trusts them inside or outside the West. What would you rather use if you were in India, Iran, or Nigeria, a Paypal platform you know will deplatform you for badkthink or an Alipay platform out of China that won't? Would you rather use Facebook, which will gleefully report your badthink to your government, or VKontakte, which will not?

The global demographics and economies of scale are stacked very heavily against the converged corpocracies of the West, especially since they are purposefully creating competitors able to foxnews them by attacking at least one-third of their own customer base. And if the SJW corpocrats didn't want us to find common cause with their much larger foreign competitors, then they should not have attacked, deplatformed, and demonetized us.

Perhaps if they were better versed in Western civilization, they would have been aware of the way in which Hubris inspires Nemesis.

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54 Comments:

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 07, 2019 8:13 AM  

Right now I trust Russians more than American Jews.

Blogger tublecane July 07, 2019 8:33 AM  

"Interesting test case" I assume means "peg upon which to hang fake conspiracy theories." I enjoy how they pass off their propaganda as though it's scientific experimentation.

Blogger basementhomebrewer July 07, 2019 8:34 AM  

Funny to see this guy's account. I am guessing, based on a cursory look at his twitter, that he is a Trufan that is still butt-hurt about Rabid puppies. He devotes a considerable amount of time trying to track down and analyse bots of all sorts on twitter although a considerable amount of time is devoted to any bot that could be accused of supporting Trump. Seems like he needs to get a job or a better hobby, most likely both.

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 07, 2019 8:35 AM  

The Gamma is strong with these folks.

Blogger Joe July 07, 2019 8:36 AM  

"white Christian men with a right-of-center perspective will sooner or later realize that neoliberalism is the central problem and ally with all of its other enemies against it."

I've noticed a trend lately of Americans joining the Orthodox church.

Blogger anorganicbear July 07, 2019 8:42 AM  

I had no idea this blog linked to such specious and propagandist sources! I must return to Fox News so that Shep Smith and Bret Baier can tell me what to think again!

Blogger Shimshon July 07, 2019 8:45 AM  

Vox has squatter's rights in his head, and he accuses Vox of hosting Putin in his? What is that law again? SJWAP?

Blogger Robert What? July 07, 2019 8:45 AM  

I would trust Russia Today or Russia Insider much more than I would trust any Western news source.

Blogger Robert What? July 07, 2019 8:48 AM  

Question: do these people really really believe that Russia interfered with the 2016 election or are they just using it as a political battering ram? I don't know which is scarier.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) July 07, 2019 9:01 AM  

"... or an Alipay platform out of China that won't?"

Alipay is one of two big payment processors in China. The other one is WeChat Wallet, which is owned by Tencent. WeChat began as a knock off of WhatsApp (which is banned in China) but quickly became the most popular communication tool in China. It has transformed the nature of small business in China, just by its ability to find and collect customers. There are also professional accounts for buying and selling goods.

About three years ago, they introduced WeChat Wallet. Within one year, it was being used by about 80% of people in Shenzhen, if not more than that. It's now routine for people to leave the house without cash, only their phone. All those 90s conspiracy theories about a cashless society are becoming a reality.

When it first came out, WeChat Wallet was totally unregulated. You didn't even need a verified account in order to transfer tens of thousands of renminbi. Slowly it has become more strict. Partly this is because the Chinese have been scrambling to collect more tax revenue ever since the trade war began. It's also because Xi Jinping's crackdown on corruption is real.

Eventually you can expect WeChat and Alipay to be linked to the emerging Social Credit system in China. Everyone is worried that this system will be used to punish dissidents, which I'm sure it will be. But so far, it seems to be used to teach the average Chinese to have better manners, fining people for scams and anti-social behavior, both of which are rampant in China.

Blogger Andrew Brown July 07, 2019 9:04 AM  

I quite like RT and Russia Insight.
RT showed live the 34th week straight of yellow vest protests yesterday. I've not seen anything from MSM in a while.

Also, you have to ask, why must YouTube remind us that RT is funded by the Russian government?

Blogger Gettimothy July 07, 2019 9:05 AM  

Haven't seen Putin comment in a while; hope he is ok

Blogger Gregory the Great July 07, 2019 9:06 AM  

Who is this guy anyway? Is this a fake Twitter account started by Ben Shapiro? Conspirador ritardor!

Blogger Unknown July 07, 2019 9:20 AM  

This post convinced me to comment and I love the real talk of vox, I think from a government standpoint id rather live in Russia right now, the msm seams worse than Pravda to me because many people actually believe it lol, it'll be interesting how many moderate individuals will decide it's horse poo when they see the Democrat crazies running presented as "sane"candidates. No borders no problem yeet!

Blogger Unknown July 07, 2019 9:21 AM  

Don't want to seem like a jerk tho I'm a young idiot so defer to vox for any real assessment. The comments are pretty cool here

Blogger thalios July 07, 2019 9:23 AM  

Robert What? wrote:Question: do these people really really believe that Russia interfered with the 2016 election or are they just using it as a political battering ram? I don't know which is scarier.

Russians "interfered" with the 2016 election... just like every election. The Chinese did too. And the Brits. Etc.

They know this and they lean on that small truth to decry anyone foolish enough to engage them as crackpots or ignoramuses. They're SJWs. They're evil and the ALWAYS LIE.

Blogger Crave July 07, 2019 9:23 AM  

They're shocked by the frequency "Russia" was mentioned during and after the election. I'm shocked they're able to type complete sentences suffering such levels of retardation.

Blogger Robert What? July 07, 2019 9:31 AM  

I should have asked: did they (The Russians) "interfere" in Trump's favor to any effect? But you missed the major culprit for American election meddling: Israel.

Blogger Lazarus July 07, 2019 9:34 AM  

thalios wrote:And the Brits. Etc.

The Brits actually abetted a scheme to void the last presidential election. Seems like a casus belli to me.

Blogger Brett baker July 07, 2019 9:36 AM  

I remember reading an article in National Review years ago about McDonald's having to teach their Chinese customers how to get into line so the order system would work. The Chinese would mob the counter waving money; they didn't know about queuing up.

Blogger Crush Limbraw July 07, 2019 9:38 AM  

Just yesterday, I posted this in DaLimbrawLibrary - https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/07/05/good-guys-and-bad-guys-are-a-hollywood-illusion/ - by Caitlin Johnstone, it is excellent on exposing the binary thinking out there.
I find myself reading RT and others to get real perspective - it's out there!

Blogger Unknown July 07, 2019 9:39 AM  

This is the best kind of comment I love learning about things that I can't read anywhere else ty

Blogger Longtime Lurker July 07, 2019 9:39 AM  

Secret King complains about RT, but overlooks that the Washington Post has been carryng inserts - China Watch - paid for by China Daily - which is run by the Chinese Communist Party.

And if Secret King is so concerned about links on this site to RT, then Secret King should alarmed that the New York Times carries Russia Beyond segments paid for by Rossiyskaya Gazeta, which is 100-percent owned by the Russian government.

When you ratfuct the Hugos, Vox, you left a dent in fandom's collective psyche - if Secret King's twitter feed is any indication.

Blogger Roman Daoist July 07, 2019 9:43 AM  

Unfortunately, people can train themselves to do all sorts of things, including sounding intelligent enough to be convincing to the more naive; it's an excellent survival instinct. However there still needs be a systemic way to identify (and appropriately manage) those who sound clever but are in fact morons - because they piss me off.

Blogger Jack Ward July 07, 2019 9:45 AM  

I have been visiting the 'what does it mean' site for some time now. Link below.
At first I found it entertaining but now think it has more substance. Russia related, possibly even financed, and I tend to think of it as a kind of Russian Q. Of sorts. If nothing else it is another point of view. And, sometimes scary type fun.

http://whatdoesitmean.com/

Blogger binks webelf July 07, 2019 9:58 AM  

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Blogger Crush Limbraw July 07, 2019 10:03 AM  

Logic is the systematic study and practice of discerning and telling the truth. - Joel McDurmon

Blogger Scott July 07, 2019 10:08 AM  

@10 Pigs are fed and watered and protected by the same farmers who slaughter and eat them.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart July 07, 2019 10:42 AM  

Who is this guy anyway?

Don't do it, VFM! The SDL hasn't given us our orders yet!

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2019 10:48 AM  

It is a glaring fact that the foreign press is much more likely to report the news happening in my own country, than any US media outlet. That used to give me a rash, but there may be good reasons why that is an accurate observation.

First, there is no freedom of the press anywhere and every country deliberately stage-manages and directs what news is permitted or allowed....particularly with regard to what is happening in their own country. They really do not want the public to know what is happening, not to mention the partisan nature of the media, and the usual excuse is "political correctness". The other good excuse is to guarantee a fair trial of the accused. After all, if the public actually knew how many horrible crimes are committed, and by which tribes, there might be a revolt against the status quo. (Certainly cannot have that.) So the news is deliberated suppressed or exaggerated to suit the political winds. This information management does not seem to include reporting events in foreign countries. So while the British press is muzzled heavily from reporting the outrages by Pakistanis and Afrikans in the UK, they seem to be free to report similar or lesser crimes as they occur in the USA.

Second, none of the foreign press have an army of reporters doing the police blotter in the USA. They get their news from the wire services (like everybody else), which means domestic and foreign press have the same stories to pick from, but they are restrained on which ones they are allowed to publish or broadcast. Domestic news must be managed because it is precious and a vital cog in the public order, so much so, at times it must be protected by a "bodyguard of lies". Foreign news could be a useful distraction to domestic news.

Third, the national media may actually be encouraged to dish out the dirt and hang out the filthy laundry on rival nations. Russia Today is perfectly happy to report on serious street crimes, shootings, marches, demonstrations, illegal immigration, and civil disobedience because it makes the USA look bad in the eyes of the world. Yes, I know, it is no longer the Soviet Union and the Cold War is officially over, but there is still "tension". What Tommy Robinson is doing in the UK would be perfectly normal behavior in the USA. Very likely, Tommy Robinson would not even be pressured by the British government to cease if the Grooming Gangs were in Houston or Chicago or Miami, instead of the British Isles. This is what we have instead of a Free Press.

When I spent most of 2010 in Germany, Russia Today was the ONLY English-language news broadcast I could get on cable tv...and definitely forget many of my favorite internet news sites, they are blocked on the internet in Germany....pretty much anything conservative or to the right of Bernie Sanders.

Blogger Fargoth July 07, 2019 10:54 AM  

I heard articulated a very interesting, albeit straight-jacket paranoid, take on the current alt-right.

Essentially the theory goes thus: tenderize the west with division and diversion while Islamo-communism slowly saturates Europe and the US. Following collapse and civil war in the west, which destroys both Christianity and Islam, Putin swoops in as new officiator of middle eastern oil reserves. China runs off with all US tech they can run off with, because their American lab-mates were too distracted watching Bearstreams blaming the Jews.

Straight-jacket paranoid, of course

Blogger Cluebat July 07, 2019 10:54 AM  

Foxnews as a verb is perfect.
Submitted to Urban Dictionary.

Blogger doctrev July 07, 2019 11:12 AM  

Fargoth wrote:I heard articulated a very interesting, albeit straight-jacket paranoid, take on the current alt-right.

Essentially the theory goes thus: tenderize the west with division and diversion while Islamo-communism slowly saturates Europe and the US. Following collapse and civil war in the west, which destroys both Christianity and Islam, Putin swoops in as new officiator of middle eastern oil reserves. China runs off with all US tech they can run off with, because their American lab-mates were too distracted watching Bearstreams blaming the Jews.

Straight-jacket paranoid, of course


Soros has more global influence than Putin does, and a theory featuring a Russian bogeyman is nonsense squared. In particular, starting a civil war to destroy American Christianity is like trying to extinguish a fire with gasoline. So no sale.

I think Vox's interview on Chinese state television remains one of the most intelligent media pieces I've seen in years, certainly the best foreign media. I'm surprised it's not bookmarked from the main page as exhibit A to why the Chinese will start supplanting globohomo media the second they try.

Blogger Winston Smith July 07, 2019 11:17 AM  

Speaking of converged platforms, I think it would be a good idea to take a solid look at what Gab is doing with Mastodon's code and consider using it as the foundation for SocialGalactic's rebirth. There is a lot of room there to create a fediverse that links groups like Gab, the Orthosphere, your readers and more into a mini-fediverse that could hopefully be expanded in due time prior to 2020.

Blogger Winston Smith July 07, 2019 11:18 AM  

** Not saying you should collaborate with Torba given your history, but it looks like they're planning to aggressively add features so it is something to watch since it's AGPL, not BaitAndSwitchPublicLicense like OneWay.

Blogger Greg Hunt July 07, 2019 11:18 AM  

@DonReynolds could you give a few examples of conservative news sites blocked in Germany?

Blogger Fargoth July 07, 2019 11:19 AM  

@33 Oh don't get me wrong, I'm going down with the ship. Certain....inconsistencies begin to shake loose questions. But for now, trust the plan.

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2019 11:35 AM  

Greg Hunt wrote:@DonReynolds could you give a few examples of conservative news sites blocked in Germany?

I am not in Germany these days, but in 2010, much of what I would visit every day was blocked from the internet in Germany. There was no FoxNews, nor was there any SkyNews (the Fox affiliate in the UK), there was no CNS, no VDARE, no Breitbart. I could not say about Instapundit, because I was not reading it in those days.

It felt exactly like what Google and Twitter and Facebook would do to the US internet access if they were unrestrained.

Blogger doctrev July 07, 2019 11:40 AM  

It's fine, Fargoth. The Chinese are already stealing American tech, and full-on collapse would result in someone becoming the new broker in the Middle East. I think it will be China, but the name of the new boss really isn't important. Yes, the great plan unfolds.

Blogger Garuna July 07, 2019 11:50 AM  

Does anyone still genuinely care about "muh Russia"? Everyone I know treats it like a big joke now. Even the liberals ones are admitting that mainstream fake news is a serious problem now.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 07, 2019 12:48 PM  

"Eventually you can expect WeChat and Alipay to be linked to the emerging Social Credit system in China. Everyone is worried that this system will be used to punish dissidents, which I'm sure it will be. But so far, it seems to be used to teach the average Chinese to have better manners, fining people for scams and anti-social behavior, both of which are rampant in China."

Any culture has to punish sufficiently severe deviations of any sort, even the beneficial ones to an extent. The Chinese Social Credit system is designed to make control of bad actors more practicable at the larger social scales they have to deal with.

The system still sucks, but most systems do.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 07, 2019 1:17 PM  

Cassandra Yieng?
Joe Stech?

Blogger Akuma July 07, 2019 1:35 PM  

"eventual realization that by attempting to banish what they call "the Western extreme right" from everything from social media to payment processors, white Christian men with a right-of-center perspective will sooner or later realize that neoliberalism is the central problem and ally with all of its other enemies against it."

If they haven't already they never will. Rigthers are being deplatformed, or worse, yet still the right does nothing. Trump himself is even oddly impotent on the matter. All it would take is a couple of wealthy conservatives to privately finance one, or several of these platforms. Or just even start a conservative backed company. Yet none of them do it. Surr theres legal matters involved with actively discriminating against lefist, but that can be solved with good OPSEC. Im starting to wonder if they enjoy losing and watching their ancestors be disgraced. The naivete of the right knows no bounds.

Blogger Fenton Wood July 07, 2019 1:39 PM  

The same people denouncing RT were praising Al Jazeera a few years ago.

Blogger Andy Evick July 07, 2019 1:43 PM  

Off topic, but was last night's stream a Stupid Questions night? It was three minutes of Vox saying that grades dknrd matter in the real world and almost an hour of answering stupid questions like "why does Milo talk to Jordan Peterson?" No one gives a rats behind of such gossip.
The Darkstream is getting clogged up with nonsense again

Blogger Andy Evick July 07, 2019 1:44 PM  

Grades don't matter*

Blogger Argus Bacchus July 07, 2019 1:50 PM  

"Alt-right blogger Vox Day has taken to linking to Russia Today as a news source on topics various and sundry, making his site an interesting test case for studying the injection of Kremlin state media into the Western extreme right."


It makes an interesting test case for studying the rejection of the negrophilic, pedophilic, anti-white, anti-Christian Jew media complex.


Fixed it for him.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon July 07, 2019 1:52 PM  

RT is simply better than the western news outlets. Not only do they have good looking women, but they actually allow people with diverse views onboard. Lew Rockwell is a frequent commentator who isn't at all pro-Russian, apart from appreciating the way the Orthodox Church is slowly rebuilding.

The lesson in the twitter screed is clear: criticism of Jews (even discussion of them) is a thought crime. Mention of Russia is a sign that you are in league with Russia. And definitely don't link to people outside the mainstream media in the west, because the people on 4chan and 8chan are obvious morons compared with the well educated, intelligent establishment press.

Blogger sammibandit July 07, 2019 4:41 PM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2019 5:52 PM  

@13

"Also, you have to ask, why must YouTube remind us that RT is funded by the Russian government?"

Because Youtube is funded by Alphabet, which is funded by the CIA.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 07, 2019 6:54 PM  

A friend of mine was in Siberia on business, and told me he saw an interview of me from 2010 on RT. It was surreal, he said.

I told him "you have no idea how right you are'.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 07, 2019 7:37 PM  

I'll set up a WeChat Pay this year. Last year it was extremely difficult to purchase bus tickets and food with cash. There's a business opportunity in selling one off $500 Chinese WePay cards in vending machines just to make life manageable for foreigners.

Blogger tublecane July 07, 2019 9:13 PM  

@18- Israel has more "friends in high places," but Mexico's interference is mighty as well. Especially in areas where their nationals have significant numbers.

Blogger SciVo July 07, 2019 10:45 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Question: do these people really really believe that Russia interfered with the 2016 election or are they just using it as a political battering ram? I don't know which is scarier.

Your question is too deep for a simple comment, and it is a ubiquitous problem these days. So I wrote a little essay last month, because it is very very important to keep your head straight when dealing with Crazy/Stupid/Liars.

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