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Wednesday, August 14, 2019

Been caught lying

I tend to doubt Sundar Pichai will still be CEO of Google by the end of the year now that he's being busted for lying by his former employees. Again.
A former Google insider claiming the company created algorithms to hide its political bias within artificial intelligence platforms – in effect targeting particular words, phrases and contexts to promote, alter, reference or manipulate perceptions of Internet content – delivered roughly 950 pages of documents to the Department of Justice’s Antitrust division Friday.

The former Google insider, who has already spoken in to the nonprofit organization Project Veritas, met with SaraACarter.com on several occasions last week. He was interviewed in silhouette, to conceal his identity, in group’s latest film, which they say exposes bias inside the social media platform.

Several weeks prior, the insider mailed a laptop to the DOJ containing the same information delivered on Friday, they said. The former insider is choosing to remain anonymous until Project Verita’s James O’Keefe reveals his identity tomorrow.

He told this reporter on his recent trip to Washington D.C. that the documents he turned over to the Justice Department will provide proof that Google has been manipulating the algorithms and the evidence of how it was done, the insider said.

Google CEO Sundar Pichai told the House Judiciary Committee in December, 2018, that the search engine was not biased against conservatives. Pichai explained what algorithm’s are said Google’s algorithm was not offensive to conservatives because its artificial intelligence does not operate in that manner. He told lawmakers, “things like relevance, freshness, popularity, how other people are using it” are what drives the search results. Pichai said even if his programmers were anti-Republican, the process is so intricate that the artificial intelligence could not be manipulated and it was to complicated to train the algorithm to fit their bias.
The problem isn't just that he lied to the House Judiciary Committee, it's that he told such stupid and obvious and easily disproven lies. More on this soon....

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59 Comments:

Blogger Rek. August 14, 2019 5:16 AM  

He has to go back.

Blogger Fargoth August 14, 2019 5:22 AM  

Oh, I can't wait to hear more. Normally tech news bores me but not this

Blogger ScottC August 14, 2019 5:35 AM  

Speaking of which, will Corporate Cancer be out by Christmas?

Blogger God Emperor Memes August 14, 2019 5:56 AM  

Does this then mean Google can be deemed a publisher?

Blogger American Spartan August 14, 2019 6:04 AM  

..When has anyone been punished for lying to Congress again?

I am so tried of this street shitting invader ruining our nation, send him and every Pejeet back shit street land and be done with it.

They can code anywhere, let them code from home.

After all code writing is "just an idea" right? Clearly its not a skill from the work these people produce.

Blogger Fargoth August 14, 2019 6:23 AM  

And what a sinking feeling, being caught in a lie. Especially when waltzing into a situation with overinflated confidence.

Vox quote which stuck with me: Learn how to tell the truth. Really, really good advice.

Blogger SciVo August 14, 2019 6:24 AM  

In the event that anyone does not get the reference: Jane's Addiction - Been Caught Stealing

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 14, 2019 6:25 AM  

Project Veritas isn't on my "Salvation Army" tier of charitable causes yet, but it's getting there.

Blogger D E K August 14, 2019 6:27 AM  

I wonder what the their rationale about lying is? Is it that the percentage of thinking people is so low and of thinking and caring people much lower, that they just don't care?

Blogger SciVo August 14, 2019 6:32 AM  

D E K wrote:I wonder what the their rationale about lying is?

Rationale? They've been getting away with lying since they were toddlers. It's practically a preverbal coping mechanism for discomfort. Blame their parents' weakness and their own unChristian pride.

Blogger Jim August 14, 2019 6:32 AM  

D E K wrote:I wonder what the their rationale about lying is? Is it that the percentage of thinking people is so low and of thinking and caring people much lower, that they just don't care?
It's to demoralize you. This is the world of the Prince of Lies. His servants like to rub our noses in that fact.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 14, 2019 6:50 AM  

@1

"He has to go back."

Deservedly in a bodybag.

That would certainly slow down the throng of H1B wannabes.

Blogger Gregory the Great August 14, 2019 6:51 AM  

@Fargoth. You wrote "What a sinking feeling to be caught in a lie". Not for this guy. He is doing it all the time, professionally and probably in his private life as well.
The problem with lying is: It tends to make you stupid because you instead of searching for the truth you just spend a lot of energy to explain away the contradictions between all your lies.

Blogger Brett baker August 14, 2019 6:52 AM  

Maybe Pichai is telling the truth as he knows it. After all, how do we know he isn't as well trained as some of the horror stories people have posted here? He could be just a useful idiot for the Russian and Chinese who founded Be Evil.

Blogger JG August 14, 2019 7:01 AM  

A couple of perjury indictments against the tech CEOs who lied so blatantly before Congress should put a damper on their activities re: 2020 election.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 14, 2019 7:07 AM  

He had an easy time lying because the republicans are dust-farters who have to get an intern just to set up their email. Most of the Conservative Inc. voters are no better.

Blogger wahr01 August 14, 2019 7:28 AM  

The elite just openly assassinated a man who had started naming pedophile politicians and it's already swept under the rug.

"Algorithms" do what humans design them to do.

A tech reporter or CEO or their bought politicians saying "It's the algorithm's fault" is as much an insult to the intelligence as a murderer saying "It's the gun's fault".

Wake me up when it's time for perp-walks, but I'm not going to wait with baited breath. The people who were old enough to understand the break-up of AT&T are in nursing homes now, and that was the last time anti-trust law was enforced at all.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 14, 2019 7:31 AM  

Too bad the Right won't take advantage of this as good discredit and disqualify ammo, probably a good half of the contards are now scratching their fossilized brains for some Reagan era or maybe W Bush years' pro-business quote.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville August 14, 2019 7:39 AM  

@9 Is it that the percentage of thinking people is so low...

Yes. I give you an example. Yesterday my wife showed me an MSM clickbait article "Most Dangerous Bridges" with a picture of a greatly deformed suspension bridge across a river. The span dropped nearly vertically at one point for over a hundred feet at both ends.

Sadly, all the adults in the house thought it was a real picture and talked how frightening it would be to drive on that bridge.

It was an obvious, to me, Photoshop trick and physically impossible to construct. I just asked my wife, can you drive a car or walk down the face of a cliff?

If they had stopped to think they would probably at least have gotten a little suspicious of the story, but they didn't.

Blogger Stilicho August 14, 2019 7:39 AM  

He has to go back. I hear there is a real need for Hindus to settle in Kashmir...perhaps he can develop an algorithm that directs Hindu settlers to the most popular spots

Blogger Rek. August 14, 2019 7:52 AM  

Pichai, telling the truth?! Even I sort of intuitively know and understand that he is lying in the most despicable and blatant fashion when he says that 'the process is so intricate that the artificial intelligence could not be manipulated and it was to complicated to train the algorithm to fit their bias.' and I know absolutly nothing about computers and informatics. You simply cant say that. Algorithms and AIs do not "work" in the way he is trying to imply.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 14, 2019 7:58 AM  

Is this algo or AI nonsense what gave us Siri informing us that Cuomo is in fact Fredo?

Blogger wahr01 August 14, 2019 8:01 AM  

@9

It's not about "thought", it's about "action".

The previous generations took this kind of treasonous attack on the nation out of their hides, be they government or corporate.

Boomers don't do squat.

I've had conversations with boomers where they admit to understanding what I do, and you do, and knowing what must be done, and refusing to do it.

Blogger basementhomebrewer August 14, 2019 8:03 AM  

Is it that the percentage of thinking people is so low and of thinking and caring people much lower, that they just don't care?

As has been pointed out ad-nauseum boomers tend to believe everything they hear on TV. They also tend not to research or think about anything, especially if they heard it on TV first. Add to this that boomers not directly involved in the tech field don't understand how computers work beyond hitting the power button to turn them on, and don't care to learn more than that. It's a perfect recipe for lying with impunity.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2019 8:20 AM  

When social groups are small and the division of labor crude, lies are almost self-evident in real-time. Lies have short lifespans (as do their believers.)

In today's mass-scale societies, and with a global level of division-of-labor (where essentially no one knows from where anything actually comes), even the relatively few people who are actually involved in real production can embrace massive falsehoods.

High level liars (like Pichai and most public corp CEOs, or 99.999% of politicians) succeed because their lies rationalize the bat-guano crazy notions vast swaths of the public WANT to believe.

Never in human history have so many people existed, and never has such a large percentage of living people been so ignorant of (R)eality, and of the processes that are CENTRAL to creating the Jetsons' lifestyles they lead. As (D)emocracy is now raised to a religious sacrament, it's truly rule by the Committee of Village Idiots.

I now think that there's an upper limit to the complexity human society can achieve, because above a certain point it becomes too possible for too many to believe congenital liars and sail right off the edge of Sanity Map. We are currently waaay above any sustainable level of complexity.

Once the Edifice of the Lie begins to crumble, we may discover that most of our current political economy is built entirely of bricks made of falsehood. I think that's part of why people try to ignore the cracks.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 14, 2019 8:24 AM  

I had a client about 15 years ago whose site suddenly disappeared from the Google search results, making a profitable site unprofitable overnight. It was obvious that the site had been flagged in some way, but when we talked to people at Google (a near impossible task in itself) they gave us that "Oh the algorithm is so complex that it wouldn't be possible for any manual flagging to go on" excuse.

That's nonsense. No matter how complex a piece of code is, you can always have a line at the end that says "IF page.contains(word) THEN ranking.lower()". Whether it's based on certain words or on SJWs flagging sites the way you flag spam in an email program, it's an obvious thing to tack onto the automated part of the code. Whether or not they do it, their claims that they can't do it were always lies and showed they were likely lying about more.

I wonder what their rationale about lying is?

Same reason a toddler lies about being in the cookie jar, even if he has crumbs on his face: he's trying to get away with it and avoid punishment. If it weren't for Google employees leaking out the truth, that's what would happen.

Blogger wahr01 August 14, 2019 8:29 AM  

@26

It will still happen.

We have city, state, and judicial officials openly violating the insurrection act and committing article 3 section 3 treason and they are not being perp-walked by US Marshals or any other executive agency.

Blogger Richard Martel August 14, 2019 8:33 AM  

We need to stop attacking these job creators!!!!

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2019 8:35 AM  

@24 How much of what you think you know is known ONLY 2nd or 3rd hand vs how much is what you've seen/touched/heard in-person?

On whom do you rely for that 2nd/3rd hand "knowledge?" Why them? (The answer to this question is central to who you are.)

It's self-evident: In this world there is the known-unknown (what you know you don't know), the unknown-unknown (what you don't even realize you don't know), the known-first-hand, and the the stuff you know because you read, heard or saw it somewhere and you chose to trust it (100% of everything you think you know about history is in this category.)

As I see it, there are a couple predicaments here. The biggest is what-you-think-you-know-that-just-ain't-so. This is the source of marching in the WRONG DIRECTION. Next up is the unknown-unknown, which is probably infinite. This is the source of slamming face-first into walls you didn't see.

We exist in a fog of pervasive ignorance. Only the Almighty is omniscient, although we have legions of pretenders. It is human nature to desire to exist in LESS ignorance, and people impulsively will believe an endless line of charlatans who promise to "inform" them. I say impulsively because even an unbroken history of failure doesn't cause people to stop following such crap. Been there, done that.

And we're first-and-foremost ignorant about ourselves, for each of us is the hero in our Narrative, the place where our Mental Map (a gross oversimplification of Infinite Reality) by which we navigate life is always warped.

It's not just boomers.

Blogger sysadmn August 14, 2019 8:50 AM  

Since the left loves Disparate Impact in employment and housing, let's apply the same standard here.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Disparate_impact

https://dailycaller.com/2018/01/09/googles-new-fact-check-feature-almost-exclusively-targets-conservative-sites


Blogger dienw August 14, 2019 8:56 AM  

I'm not going to wait with baited breath.

"Bated", unless you are an angler fish.

Oh, shiite it's orange. Does it have a Twitter account?

Blogger The Cooler August 14, 2019 8:58 AM  

MPAI, but I can sit down with someone -- pretty much anybody -- and prove, unequivocally, the general direction Google wants to take the person who has allowed themselves to be tracked. This can be done with nothing more conceptually complex than a decision tree.

things like relevance, freshness, popularity, how other people are using it

All of which are defined by Google. The algorithms are not sentient.

the process is so intricate that the artificial intelligence could not be manipulated and it was to complicated to train the algorithm to fit their bias

His angle, here, is: Bias is involved, but the algorithms are fed by user bias not (I)ntentional bias, per se. Which, of course, is just true enough to construct more lies.

Blogger dienw August 14, 2019 9:00 AM  

The Indian Brahman class has to go back to the Ganges. One way or the other: at or in the river.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 14, 2019 9:08 AM  

"I now think that there's an upper limit to the complexity human society can achieve,"

Heavily inclined to agree. Not just because of free-riders, parasites, grifters and liars, who in structural terms are faults or voids. Even with perfect material fidelity, the structure can only grow so large before even seemingly random harmonics rip it apart.

Blogger camcleat August 14, 2019 9:11 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:No matter how complex a piece of code is, you can always have a line at the end that says "IF page.contains(word) THEN ranking.lower()". Whether it's based on certain words or on SJWs flagging sites the way you flag spam in an email program, it's an obvious thing to tack onto the automated part of the code.

Even more basic than that, drop the site from the index before it's even considered by the algos.

(1) Manually edit the index to delete the offending site.
(2) Add site to blacklist the index building bots for their "ignore" routine.

A big problem we have is not just Google's algorithms for ranking and presenting search results, but that they have centralized the index itself.

This is where we need to build our own platform: de-centralized indexes. I think it used to be that way, once upon a time, until everyone jumped on the "Google is the true WONDERFUL" train.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 14, 2019 9:14 AM  

It being said that from a top-down viewpoint everyone is credulous on most things, since there's no other way to live as part of a superorganism, some people are a lot more credulous than others, and particularly so as relates to certain sources.

Blogger David Ray Milton August 14, 2019 9:18 AM  

He’s going to have to do a lot of yoga to twist his way out of this one.

Blogger Stilicho August 14, 2019 9:39 AM  

I wonder what Google will do with a story/article/blog post titled "Sundar Pichai said to be unclean, remains untouchable"?

What about a Hindi version?

Blogger Stilicho August 14, 2019 9:41 AM  

Ilk poll:

Sundar the Unclean or Sundar the Untouchable?

Pick one and make it trend.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 14, 2019 9:55 AM  

On Monday night if you typed "Chris Cuomo" on Google, it was coming up "Fredo" all the way down. On Tuesday POTUS poured gasoline on that fire with his beautiful tweets, and also public commentary that Fredo is, apparently, "an animal". Who lies every night.

By the way, Apple's Siri was coming up "Fredo" as well, when you asked about Cuomo.

But by Tuesday night all that gloriousness had come to an end on both Siri and on Google.

Imagine that. Imagine how all these oh-so sophisticated AI algorithms, that no human could possibly control or manipulate, corrected themselves in a day. Once again and mysteriously, to the exclusive benefit of the companies friends and to progressive narratives.

Blogger liberranter August 14, 2019 9:59 AM  

I have a sinking feeling that Pichai will merely be replaced by some other scumbag vibrant liar who will be a better actor at gulling the braindead rubes when doing the Deep State's bidding. We are, after all, talking about Google.

Blogger BriarRabbit August 14, 2019 10:08 AM  

And here it is: https://youtu.be/g1VeElBAeas

Blogger eldiabloloco August 14, 2019 10:08 AM  

Its because the internet inventor put all of those AL GORE ithms in to it.

Blogger Nostromo August 14, 2019 10:31 AM  

Bye bye Jeffrey E. We hardly knew ye.

Blogger Bucephalus August 14, 2019 10:59 AM  

Listened to him being interviewed about two months ago, and he repeatedly said “as Americans” and “our values”. Don’t you just love when paper muricans tell us our values?

Blogger Dr Caveman August 14, 2019 11:17 AM  

Break Google up and scatter the remains to the four winds. Jail everyone involved

Blogger P Glenrothes August 14, 2019 11:28 AM  

Rest assured, the DOJ is on the job.

Blogger OneWingedShark August 14, 2019 11:30 AM  

Rek. wrote:He has to go back.
I disagree; he needs to be "publicly hanged" — perhaps not literally, but the maximum legal punishment should be publicly and swiftly meted out.

God Emperor Memes wrote:Does this then mean Google can be deemed a publisher?
According to Google's own internal documents, as shown by the insider in the recent Project Veritas leak, there is an "editorial" process: this is admission that they are not eligible for the "platform" protections.

Dirk Manly wrote:@1
"He has to go back."
Deservedly in a bodybag.
That would certainly slow down the throng of H1B wannabes.

At this point I think there's only two or three things that will slow down H1Bs/L1s/etc: (1) aggressive usage of RICO on big-tech; (2) use of the military against invaders & sanctuary cities; (3) actual economic collapse of the US.

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Too bad the Right won't take advantage of this as good discredit and disqualify ammo, probably a good half of the contards are now scratching their fossilized brains for some Reagan era or maybe W Bush years' pro-business quote.
At this point, I'm more than willing to "bring the sword of justice" to businesses.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist August 14, 2019 11:37 AM  

The entire trove of documents is available for download at Project Veritas.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 14, 2019 11:59 AM  

P Glenrothes wrote:Rest assured, the DOJ is on the job.

Is it the 0bammy DoJ? Or the new, improved Trump DoJ? Either way, it's on the job, but the jobs would be very different.

Blogger Ray - SoCal August 14, 2019 12:07 PM  

Unfortunately the side that holds the house currently probably has no interest in this, since Big Tech is biased in their favor.

Executive Orders, Anti Trust, and Opening an Investigation (the process is the punishment) is the best that can be expected, currently. If the house flips in 2020, all bets are off, especially if the elected majority holds a grudge.

>A couple of perjury indictments against the tech CEOs who lied so blatantly before Congress should
>put a damper on their activities re: 2020 election.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2019 12:22 PM  

Let's see...the "News" (and search results) is manipulated by Indians, Chinese, etc., brainwashing Americans/Europeans/etc. Electronic hardware, including circuit boards vital to weapons systems, are made largely in China (and a fair amount of the Internet switching and server boards apparently have "extra" chips on them.)

Naw, this isn't the picture of populace so besotted with self-satisfaction and TRUST that they've invited the world's best cannibal chefs to cook America's meals....

I believe almost all Hollywood fare is "The Elite" somehow trolling us, the batteries, right out in the open and in real time. Perhaps "The Walking Dead" is a metaphor for the world's non-European peoples eating the people of mostly European ancestry alive.

We invited them, and settled for a few trinkets and electronic gizmos in return.

Blogger BriarRabbit August 14, 2019 2:22 PM  

Google is a defacto NSA at this point.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 14, 2019 2:22 PM  

@39

I for one, cannot stand either "Sundar Pichai the Unclean" nor his twin, "Sundar Pichai the Untouchable."

Blogger BriarRabbit August 14, 2019 2:23 PM  

https://www.projectveritas.com/google-document-dump/

Blogger BriarRabbit August 14, 2019 2:24 PM  

If you wanna take a look at the doc drop:

https://www.projectveritas.com/google-document-dump/

Blogger C-Speaks August 14, 2019 2:28 PM  

Hopefully the former employee doesn't commit suicide with two shots to the back of his own head.

Blogger BriarRabbit August 14, 2019 2:33 PM  

Also there is, in the video, a quick snapshot of the news sites that have been blacklisted by Google. Screenshot it and you have a treasure tribe if alternative new sites, many of which you'rve probably already bookmarked, but there are likely some new ones to ya.

Blogger PG August 17, 2019 1:28 AM  

Didn't they have to make adjustments to the police crime detecting algorithm that kept assigning patrols to the black neighbourhoods. Strange that they managed to change that "racial" bias yet google can't manage it.

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