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Friday, August 23, 2019

China rejects servitude to Satan

At least the Babel 2.0 version of it, anyhow:
The hope through these years was that a more prosperous China would also become more democratic and tolerant at home, and less aggressive abroad. But as foreign affairs journalist James Mann pointed out in his 2007 book, "The China Fantasy," and as longtime Kissingerian Michael Pillsbury wrote in his 2015 book, "The Hundred-Year Marathon," China's leaders weren't interested in following this script.

On the contrary, Pillsbury argued that they had their own scenario, in which China would embark quietly but steadily on a long-term race to world supremacy by 2049, the 100th anniversary of Mao Zedong's victory over Chiang Kai-shek.

China would use strategy and tactics laid out by Sun Tzu 2,500 years ago and restore the state to the primacy it enjoyed before the civil wars and invasions that started with the Taiping rebellion in 1849 and ended with Mao's death in 1976, costing millions of Chinese lives. Before this strife, China had 40 percent of the world's population and economic production, and an emperor reigning 60 years, who reportedly told the British envoy Lord Macartney in 1793, "Our Celestial Empire possesses all things in prolific abundance" and has "no need to import the manufactures of outside barbarians."
Hence the cancellation of the long-planned post-US-collapse leap to China on the part of those who "heal the nations" and have destroyed America as part of that healing process.

"We have so much to teach, so much to share, so much light to shine upon a world that needs it – perhaps now more than ever before."
- Dennis Prager

如何對小男孩進行雞姦並吃人肉? 我們會通過,謝謝。

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Blogger Whitecloak August 23, 2019 1:52 PM  

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Blogger Crew August 23, 2019 1:55 PM  

The Chinese are different than Westerners, and I think it is genetic ...

At least they can withdraw the Mandate of Heaven from their leaders, perhaps.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2019 2:02 PM  

Yeah... unfortunately for China... Trump literally just fired them.

Blogger Sam August 23, 2019 2:02 PM  

@2
I think it is the polygamy. In the west you have civilization suicide by a lack of elite reproduction but that didn't happen in China.

Blogger Joeplanet August 23, 2019 2:12 PM  

Please cancel the gold plated Gucci luggage tags for Mr. Changstien.

Blogger Nostromo August 23, 2019 2:17 PM  

The Han colonizing Africa will be interesting. Will the Dindu's consume them like they do everyone else. I would have said no, except for the hybrids that ate being whelped.

Blogger pyrrhus August 23, 2019 2:30 PM  

@6 The Chinese have a long cultural tradition of taking a second, younger wife if the man can afford it...The first wife remains the boss of the household, and the 2d wife is subservient.

Blogger Crew August 23, 2019 2:32 PM  

Hmmm, I was having difficulty translating 進行雞姦 but google translate did a passable job.

Blogger xevious2030 August 23, 2019 2:45 PM  

They do the same playbook over and over. They have continually operated in what they consider a hostile world.

Blogger Joe Smith August 23, 2019 2:54 PM  

To be fair, I'm not sure how much sodomy of children goes on by the Chinese elite. I wouldn't be that surprised if it turns out to be a lot. But they for sure don't want the tikkun olam version.

Blogger VD August 23, 2019 3:21 PM  

FFS, have you people learned nothing here?

Moderators, ban the Smart Boys who are Just Helping Others in the future please.

If I want to spell something out, I'll spell it out. If I don't spell it out, then why in the name of the Netherest Nether Hell would you imagine I want you to do it for me?

Blogger xevious2030 August 23, 2019 3:24 PM  

"vay' wItI'nISmo' lughaj."

Not smart enough to figure that one out at a glance. Characters are in English typeset, and first few keyboard switch tries have not panned out, forward or backward. Will keep trying though.

Blogger Azimus August 23, 2019 3:35 PM  

I'm no sinophile, and I am personally trying to avoid funding the Chinese Empire by not buying Chinese products, but I can't help but admire the incrdible endurance and vision and patience of the resurrection of the Celestial Empire. We all just thought we were saving $10 on a toaster. Nope! We were buying a share in our ruin at the hands of the globalists, who were themselves duped by the Chinese.

Their strategy was the polar opposite of the likes of Caesar, or Napoleon, or Mohammed.

But its Christ who has the real long game here. The rest is just preseason. So I'm not worried.

Blogger Oswald August 23, 2019 3:38 PM  

China is a problem of our own creation.
We could of left them as a backward nation.
Instead, we brought them to a state of elation.
Now, it us that is facing damnation and elimination.

Blogger FALPhil August 23, 2019 4:05 PM  

One thing I have always admired about the Chinese is their propensity to think and plan long term, even generationally. There are those rare examples in the West where it has happened, but not in my lifetime. Being on the tail of the boomers, I probably will not get to witness the full ascendancy of China, but, like all empires, theirs too, will crumble.

Blogger Crew August 23, 2019 4:07 PM  

Michael Barone writes:

Brute force may prevail for a time. But the yearning for freedom can still somehow survive.

He seems to know little about China.

In the past the Imperials in China would execute whole rebellious families out to something like seven levels of separation.

Rebellion has been weeded out of the Chinese gene pool.

Blogger God Emperor Memes August 23, 2019 4:14 PM  

It'll certainly be interesting to see China vs Islam.

Blogger Whitecloak August 23, 2019 4:15 PM  

@23 China's already winning that match-up pretty handily.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 23, 2019 4:32 PM  

They said, "If we give Most Favored Nation status to China, this will spread freedom and democracy in China!" Never happened.

They also said, "If we pass NAFTA, the emerging Mexican middle class will lift Mexico up as a stable, prosperous democracy!" Not only did 20% of Mexicans rush the border, Mexico itself sank further into lawless gloom, drug cartel inspired mayhem and open warfare.

If you hear one of these free trade mantra people coming at you over the airwaves, turn off the box. Don't befoul your ears.

Blogger Jeroth August 23, 2019 4:47 PM  

"Hello my fellow Chinamen" was never going to work very well anyway.

Blogger xevious2030 August 23, 2019 5:01 PM  

Then there is the Judeo-Sino tradition, Jerusalem and Beijing as the core of Western Civilization.

Blogger Crew August 23, 2019 5:05 PM  

@21: There was no Judeo-Sinus ... oh wait.

Blogger James Dixon August 23, 2019 5:07 PM  

> Hmmm, I was having difficulty translating 進行雞姦 but google translate did a passable job.

Yes, it did. Which is fortunate, as my Chinese literacy is non-existent.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos August 23, 2019 5:08 PM  

Here’s the rub: there’s a difference between a Chinese run empire of conquered nations, and China expanding its borders. If their new territory is 90% Han Chinese, it’s not an empire, it’s just a larger nation.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2019 5:16 PM  

"Rebellion has been weeded out of the Chinese gene pool."

Rebellion, or deviance?

Blogger Fargoth August 23, 2019 5:17 PM  

if not the light of the world, certainly the "lighters" of the world

Blogger Crew August 23, 2019 5:20 PM  

@25: Rebellion against central authority.

As for sexual deviance, I have heard that the Apple CEO is a rice queen so it seems there are still some such deviants.

Blogger Azimus August 23, 2019 5:24 PM  

@FALPhil

I forget the fellow's exact name, Gramsky or Skalzi or something, but he was an Italian Commie and wrote something called "the prison notebooks" describing the strategy he called "the long march." Basically, after the failure of the ComIntern to capitalize on the human meat grinder of World War 1, he suggested the same strategy for communism that China is employing for its empire. I think its fair to say that the Trotskyite Commies have employed this strategy relentlessly in the west with great success since the 1920's, including your lifetime, on an epic scale.

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2019 5:34 PM  

FALPhil wrote:One thing I have always admired about the Chinese is their propensity to think and plan long term, even generationally.

Crew wrote:In the past the Imperials in China would execute whole rebellious families out to something like seven levels of separation.
Those two could be linked.


Crew wrote:Rebellion has been weeded out of the Chinese gene pool.
Or, selected for subtlety. The Chinese dynasties still turned over after 10 generations or so.

Blogger Dave August 23, 2019 5:35 PM  

Nate wrote:Yeah... unfortunately for China... Trump literally just fired them.

For all the Sun Tzu strategy and tactics and long term visions and planning, they didn't anticipate or prepare for someone like Trump coming along. They became too accustomed to the ease with which they could buy US politicians and media and took for granted the trade imbalance, technology transfers, and intellectual property theft would continue with impunity for decades. They're just beginning to realize they vastly underestimated Trump and his long term vision to force them to become a more responsible and equitable trading partner. They also incorrectly assumed Trump would thrown out of office by now or severely wounded politically and they could ride it out. Now they have to be dreading Trumpslide 2020 and what another 4 years of Trump as POTUS would do to their house of cards economy.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2019 5:41 PM  

"Rebellion against central authority."

Deviation. Not talking about anything more or less specific. Simply, they punish deviation from the norm. Rebellion against central authority is one example. Innovation is another.

Blogger doctrev August 23, 2019 5:42 PM  

Everyone -says- China's playing a super long game that guarantees they will own the world, but it's bullshit. Two reasons:

1) China LOVES deceit and short-term profit. Understandable, it's how you get by in the modern world, but it's also about as charming as the worst financial excesses of Goldman Sachs. (Even if it's less obnoxious from a religious and cultural perspective). All throughout Asia and Africa, countries are cancelling Chinese projects and telling them to take their money back. At best. At worst they just tell the Chinese to go to hell in no uncertain terms.

2) China's economy is a pyramid scheme. Yes, the NYT can't shut up about how great China is, but even with a hostile Congress Donald Trump has managed to flatline their economic growth. At the hands of a determined and unfettered competitor, China will crack apart. It's the same reason Taiwan, Hong Kong, and even North Korea are trying to get out from underneath the Chinese boot.

Now, China's a better bet than the American Deep State, and I hope they give those guys a challenge, but be real. If anything they're partners, which is why China and the FBI are both on the all-out attack against President Trump. You can hope the American government fails in its evil plans, but they're not going to obviously sabotage themselves solely because you hope for it. That's not going to happen, and President Trump knows he'd be turfed out of office by the American people if he tried.

Blogger R Webfoot August 23, 2019 5:47 PM  

@22
"@21: There was no Judeo-Sinus ... oh wait."

No joke, I have seen attempts to create one. It was alleged that (1) certain Chinese characters had their origins in Biblical stories - for example, I think "journey" was supposed to be a combination of the characters for "eight," "man," and "boat," for "eight men in a boat" - just like the Flood! And, allegedly, some Chinese origin myth says their ancestors came from the west after a big flood. And, it was alleged, the Chinese have their many local gods - but inside the Forbidden City, there is a temple with an ancient dedication to the One God.

I didn't exactly put any effort into verifying or debunking these claims; the Judeo-Christian who told me about it was using it as a "proof" of the Old Testament narrative, for which I did not need proof. But after the Red Pill, I am guessing somebody created that narrative as an attempt to play that game.

Blogger xevious2030 August 23, 2019 5:49 PM  

"they didn't anticipate or prepare for someone like Trump coming along"

Paradigm shift can be difficult for those that thrive in structure. That's a time for friends that do well in it, not confrontation by those that do not. Peoples are peoples though. We'll see how cool the heads are, the choices made. And the difference between powers and influences.

Blogger Crew August 23, 2019 5:51 PM  

Or, selected for subtlety. The Chinese dynasties still turned over after 10 generations or so.

It's not clear that this means as much as you seem to think.

Of the dynasties since the Qin dynasty (that first united China, and was quite short-lived) two were imposed externally (the Yuan and Qing dynasties) and Liu Bang was forced to revolt because the bureaucrats wanted him dead.

In addition, the Three Kingdoms period could be regarded as a reversion to pre-unification China.

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2019 5:52 PM  

R Webfoot wrote:I didn't exactly put any effort into verifying or debunking these claims; the Judeo-Christian who told me about it was using it as a "proof" of the Old Testament narrative, for which I did not need proof. But after the Red Pill, I am guessing somebody created that narrative as an attempt to play that game.
I've seen that, but in relation to Christianity.

The traditional Chinese character for "righteousness" is made up of two other characters, "lamb" over "I/me".

Possibly from an ancient religious practice of animal sacrifice, with a very obvious parallel to the Christian gospel.

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2019 5:58 PM  

Crew wrote:It's not clear that this means as much as you seem to think.
Sure, Bloody Shovel has interesting writeups on the continuity of the bureaucratic system between dynasties, for which we get the word Mandarin to rival the word Byzantine.

But for all that they killed rivals, the emperors couldn't prevent their own replacement.

Blogger tublecane August 23, 2019 6:01 PM  

"Come, Ching-chong Chinaman, and learn financial servitude, nihilism, homosexuality, unhappy hedonism, gluttony, laziness, and the aesthetics of ugliness. You must want it, for some reason."

- Dennis Prager

Blogger Crew August 23, 2019 6:08 PM  

The traditional Chinese character for "righteousness" is made up of two other characters, "lamb" over "I/me".

I found the web site where you got that from, but it seems to me there is a more reasonable explanation:

The character 我 was originally developed from the oracle bone script, where it denoted a fighting implement with a sharp tooth, although it later meant “I” or “myself.”

Thus the character 義 (yi4) would seem to have originally meant sacrifice and later came to acquire other meanings.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 23, 2019 6:08 PM  

R Webfoot wrote:No joke, I have seen attempts to create one. It was alleged that (1) certain Chinese characters had their origins in Biblical stories - for example, I think "journey" was supposed to be a combination of the characters for "eight," "man," and "boat," for "eight men in a boat" - just like the Flood!

That stuff is legit. We all descended from Noah's three sons, so every nation should have tales of the flood. There is no reason to think Abraham's apostate descendants have any part in China.

Blogger Crew August 23, 2019 6:08 PM  

From here: http://www.visiontimes.com/2016/09/09/yi-righteousness-justice-loyalty.html

Blogger JMS August 23, 2019 6:29 PM  

You are referring to Antonio Gramsci, an Italian commie that Mussolini put in jail.

He founded what some refer to as 'Cultural Communism' and his primary ideological ideas are critical theory (calling everyone a racist) and hegemony (getting rid of Western Civilization).

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2019 6:30 PM  

Crew wrote:I found the web site where you got that from, but it seems to me there is a more reasonable explanation:
Didn't get that from a website, and I wasn't offering an explanation.

I wasn't explaining anything, but pointing out how words reveal assumptions built into the language. It's about how a foreign culture has elements pointing to the truth of Christ. Logos.

Thus the character 義 (yi4) would seem to have originally meant sacrifice and later came to acquire other meanings.
Eg: Perfect justice/righteousness is found in Christ's sacrifice. Lamb of God.

The character 我 was originally developed from the oracle bone script, where it denoted a fighting implement with a sharp tooth, although it later meant “I” or “myself.”
Haven't heard of that one, but also interesting. To say "I", you are able to fight with a weapon.

An individual is armed. That should also sound familiar.

Blogger Gregory the Great August 23, 2019 6:37 PM  

That Pennis Drager quote makes me want to vomit.

Blogger James Dixon August 23, 2019 6:43 PM  

> Rebellion, or deviance?

I'd say deviance. If the majority of the Chinese decided their leadership was no longer "them", I suspect it would change overnight.

Blogger OneWingedShark August 23, 2019 6:44 PM  

R Webfoot wrote:@22
"@21: There was no Judeo-Sinus … oh wait."

No joke, I have seen attempts to create one. It was alleged that (1) certain Chinese characters had their origins in Biblical stories - for example, I think "journey" was supposed to be a combination of the characters for "eight," "man," and "boat," for "eight men in a boat" - just like the Flood! And, allegedly, some Chinese origin myth says their ancestors came from the west after a big flood. And, it was alleged, the Chinese have their many local gods - but inside the Forbidden City, there is a temple with an ancient dedication to the One God.

I didn't exactly put any effort into verifying or debunking these claims; the Judeo-Christian who told me about it was using it as a "proof" of the Old Testament narrative, for which I did not need proof. But after the Red Pill, I am guessing somebody created that narrative as an attempt to play that game.

Such a story would be proof against a Judeo-Sino tradition, precisely because Babel happens before Abraham is called out, and as such Judaism in any form simply didn't exist.

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 23, 2019 6:47 PM  

While I try to moderate mentions of my own channel so as not to piss off our Dark Lord, I have no such shyness about a friend's. Nate (different Nate) has a new video up, guys: Weak virtues. Do him a favor & check it out.

Blogger John Kim August 23, 2019 6:51 PM  

@FALPhil I think it took 1000 years for their last empire to crumble

Blogger LZ August 23, 2019 8:17 PM  

China will not rise as much as the USA falls. The biggest Western enemies are internal.

Blogger jeffinjapan August 23, 2019 8:43 PM  

There are Chinese tourists by the boatloads here and they are Asia’s version of the stereotypical, “Ugly American”.

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 23, 2019 9:07 PM  

Guys, we missed a golden opportunity. Jordan Peterson voice faking is gone (for the moment).

Blogger Tomato bear August 23, 2019 9:22 PM  

Vox,

通過is more like passing. We don’t have that saying really.

不用了, 謝謝。 just - No, thanks is good.

Thanks for what you do Vox, looking forward to that unauthorised app.

Blogger Tim Gilley August 23, 2019 9:25 PM  

Look up Empire of Dust documentary. A Chinese view on Africa.

Blogger Lazarus August 23, 2019 9:34 PM  

Given the chinese quote, I have a clue why "The Donald" character the GE plays put the spotlight on Greenland.

Greenland seeks to break silence around child sexual abuse

Blogger doctrev August 23, 2019 9:41 PM  

Tim Gilley wrote:Look up Empire of Dust documentary. A Chinese view on Africa.

From the first few minutes, most of this movie is going to be based around this Chinese dude saying things to Africans that would involve a white man going to prison, isn't it?

All right, I'll watch it.

Blogger PG August 23, 2019 10:02 PM  

I don't really know anything about Dennis Prager, I guess I should thank google for that.

I had a quick look at him talking on his FB page. He was sitting beside a fireplace and smoking a cigar. He looked like a cross between an overweight Walk Disney and the Devil. He spoke with the cigar in his mouth, held in place by his teeth like some sort of mob gangster. His voice dropped to a deep tone and a twang that I find hard to describe, but instinctively I did not like it.

I have no idea what he was talking about as I didn't listen to that. The body speaks loudest.

Blogger Doug Cranmer August 23, 2019 10:02 PM  

Oh jeez. Try going to local data sciene/ml/ai meetups here in Vancouver, especially the ones hosting Google or Amazon presentations.

What's hilarious is they are genuinely physically ugly on top of their repugnant personalities.

At Nortel in the 90's at least they had been put through charm school before before being shipped over here. Jay Wang, where are you now?

Blogger JovianStorm August 23, 2019 10:24 PM  

The scary thing about China is that it's leaders really don't care how many Chinese are killed in the process of doing something and the Chinese are ok with that

HK is a different story... But if you've got an unlimited supply of expendable slave labor you don't need anything else to create an empire.

They did screw up on capitalism though. When all the factories move to India, the Chinese won't have enough domestic productivity to compensate that quickly.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) August 23, 2019 10:34 PM  

That Michael Pillsbury book is actually worth a read. Didn't know he was a Kissinger disciple though.

There is a faction within the Chinese leadership called the ying pai - the hawks - which has always opposed American influence in China because they view America as spiritually bankrupt and degenerate. They're not wrong about that. The problem, though, is that they don't have much of their own tradition to go on because it was in decline for centuries and then communism almost completely destroyed what was left of it.

China is a good example of what happens when you have identitarianism without religion. They're together as a people, but with no purpose other than to make money and sing the national anthem. They do seem to be presently opposed to globohomo - because even atheists can see that it's insane and evil - but that's not enough. You need to know in whose name you say No.

Blogger The Observer August 23, 2019 11:14 PM  

There are Chinese tourists by the boatloads here and they are Asia’s version of the stereotypical, “Ugly American”

The noveau rich tend to be disgusting regardless of their nationality.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl August 24, 2019 12:17 AM  

Empire of Dust should be mandatory viewing for all right wingers.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl August 24, 2019 12:19 AM  

Prager is a Zionist NeoCon who presently LARPs as a Christian while advocating for everything that benefits his actual tribe, especially the Tikkun Olam esque quote Vox posted.
Dumb BoomerCons LOVE Prager.

Blogger LP916 August 24, 2019 12:42 AM  

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Blogger LP916 August 24, 2019 12:47 AM  

China might make devil mouse merch but they are not leaving their intelligent culture, language, beautiful architecture, amazing foods, inspirational tea to shrines to traditional dresses for women, (wow, beautiful)wisdom, family centric teachings, revered gods and followings for what they know is a downfall in spite of a fallen warring nature, despite the human condition, China wants no interference to their gov't and Satan, ain't welcoming Dennis Prager's lies and nonsense.

Shapiru is another loser, Prager to Ben, Losers, wont debate Vox.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 24, 2019 12:48 AM  

Guess there will be nowhere to run except Israel.
But Israelis are farmers, soldiers, technicians, and construction workers. Not lawyers, film producers, media wonks, and politicians.
We joke and say "Italians are not white" or "Irish are not white". But this is going to be the template for the ultimate: American Jews are not Israeli.
The Chinese will have to turn their sites towards Africa, where the "rule" of the white man will be sorely missed once the Chinese do that which they are very good at. The practiced on themselves for centuries to the tune of countless millions dead.

Blogger tublecane August 24, 2019 3:54 AM  

@62- Does Prager strike a Christian pose? I don't know if he actually practices a form Judaism, but I've never heard him talk up Jesus. I have heard him say he both believes in God and does so because he doesn't like the left. But I assumed that was the Jewish G-d.

Blogger Br1cht August 24, 2019 4:16 AM  

Very glad to have "found" Vox again.

Blogger mike August 24, 2019 4:54 AM  

@Dave this

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 24, 2019 8:06 AM  

If the "Healing" shtick ain't open to mockery then just roll up the West it's done.

Blogger James Dixon August 24, 2019 8:13 AM  

> The practiced on themselves for centuries to the tune of countless millions dead.

Yes, they did. But Africans are not Chinese. They won't react the same ways the Chinese did. There's no way to know if their methods will work or not until they try them.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 24, 2019 8:41 AM  

James Dixon wrote:But Africans are not Chinese. They won't react the same ways the Chinese did. There's no way to know if their methods will work or not until they try them.

I predict that an African's reaction to a bullet in the back of the head will be similar to a Chink's reaction to the same stimulus.

The Chinese have no particular desire to keep any Africans - or any individual Chinese - alive, so in 2119 surviving Africans will be docile AND useful. And half Chinese.

Blogger Unknown August 24, 2019 8:48 AM  

Years ago a man said: "It is not what the Chinese have done to us that pisses me off, but what the Chinese Communist Party has done to its own people."

Blogger Crew August 24, 2019 10:08 AM  

China is a good example of what happens when you have identitarianism without religion.

I don't know why you think they don't have religion. The Communists have not been able to stamp out all religious activity in China just as (((they))) were unable to stamp out Christianity in Russia.

The Chinese have Ancestor Reverence (I hesitate to call it worship) Buddhism, Confucianism and even a little Christianity. I suspect the authorities there like there to be lots of competing religions because they don't want any one religion to become too powerful and compete with the state.

I believe that Buddhism was introduced by the Qin dynasty as a way to reduce the power of the existing Confucianism. After all Qin Shi Huang had many scholars killed and destroyed lots of books.

I think secular authorities use and abuse religion all the time. I used to think that Islam was created and promoted by the Persian secular authorities to compete with the Zoroastrian elite, but have recently come across a claim that Islam was actually created by the Western Roman Church authorities to create a problem for the Eastern Roman Church. Who knows. In any organization there is going to be politics.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 24, 2019 11:34 AM  

"Or, selected for subtlety. The Chinese dynasties still turned over after 10 generations or so."

Ten generations is a normal period for a nation to rise and fall in influence, leading me to believe that this is less a result of treachery or stealth rebellion, and more a result of general internal decay.

That being said, I would agree that they've selected more for subtlety than, for example, N Europeans.

Blogger Toris August 24, 2019 12:57 PM  

Secular authorities creating religions ... Like old money Anglos involvement with Bahai nonsense from the start, promoting liberal forms of buddhism throughout Asia, guiding Tenrikyo in Japan. Barely a circumcised penis to be seen. Who can resist some Universal Brotherhood though.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 24, 2019 4:46 PM  

To expand on my @71, Chinese are intensely pragmatic. They will do what works, and their principles will not slow them down, because doing what works is their prime directive.

Gandhi could use the British authorities' principles against them. The Brits believed in bearing the White Man's Burden, in uplifting, enlightening and Christianizing the savages. The Chinese believe in taking care of family.

Violent resistance, non-violent resistance, dumb insolence and simple stupid incompetence will all get the same response from Chinese authorities. They will try re-education camps, death camps, holodomor, and whatever else pops into their heads. The one consideration they will not have is keeping any African alive a moment after his usefulness ends.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) August 24, 2019 11:35 PM  

@73 I didn't mean that the Chinese have historically been without religion. Of course they have their Three Traditions - Confucianism, Daoism, and Buddhism - from which they get the saying that every Chinese is a Confucian in his public life, a Daoist in his private life, and a Buddhist when he dies. But my experience of contemporary China is that it is a materialistic culture largely devoid of religion. To the degree that Buddhism and Daoism exist in mainland China, they are mere cultural artifacts, interesting to them because they are part of Chinese history, but not taken seriously as teachings about the meaning and purpose of life. Confucianism is seeing a revival both because of its historical importance to the Chinese nation and because it's very amenable to authoritarianism. But it's largely a secular thing. Even in Confucius' time, he could only look back on an even older religious tradition that had already faded out and existed only as rites that were still performed. The reverence of ancestors still exists outside of the cities, where most Chinese homes have a hearth dedicated to the ancestors of the family. It's a commendable tradition, but even this is very materialistic - people burn paper money at these shrines in order to send it to the ancestors in the afterlife, like some sort of spiritual Paypal. It reminds me of the Egyptians packing the tombs full of all the things the deceased would "need" in the afterlife.

As for Christianity, I'm sure there are sincere Christians, but there are also plenty of people who "become Christians" the same way many Westerners "become Buddhist" - it's a way to be different, and to signal that you are "Western in spirit."

Xi Jinping does seem to be a moral man, and it's said that his mother was a devout Buddhist and that this is in part where he gets it from. There's a wikileaks document from an American diplomat that talks about his views of Chinese society and what needs to be done to improve it.

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