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Saturday, August 24, 2019

Declaring a war that is already lost

Jeff Goldstein is not only a liar, he's an utterly inept one at that. And he has been for years.
Vox Day says the alt-right is conservative. It’s actually an identity movement on par with Black Lives Matter, La Raza, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, and other products of cultural Marxism.
Notice that Goldstein falsely claims I said the precise opposite of what I actually wrote in the very first two points of the manifesto to which he refers. Also, recall that identity politics are a superset of cultural Marxism, and that they long predate Marx, Gramsci, and the Frankfurt School.
  1. The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right. National Socialists are not Alt Right.
  2. The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
There is nothing conservative about the Alt Right, or as we more accurately describe it now in response to the authorized media's successful attempts to redefine and delegitimize the term, the Nationalist Right. Conservativism is nothing more than a defeatist posture of continual retreat, and the Nationalist Right is a coherent political philosophy that entirely rejects both conservatism and conservatives.

Indeed, the neoclowns even had to coin a brand new term, "National Conservatives", in order to present a defeatist skinsuit identity that could potentially pass for the real thing. But we reject National Conservatives just as we reject all conservatives and conservatisms. And as for me, I have NEVER been a conservative and I have always been very clear about that.

April 12, 2006
I am not a conservative and have not been for many years, but I don't think anyone, on the Right or Left, would deny that I am a hard-core right winger.

September 24, 2007
Because I'm not a conservative, I don't fit what the conservative media are selling, so they stick to their tried-and-true formulas even though my columns repeatedly prove more popular than the usual grist for the mill.

September 30, 2010
I am not a conservative. I am a Christian libertarian technodemocrat. But if this is what is actually supposed to pass for conservative opinion leadership at a leading conservative publication, it's no wonder that the Tea Partiers are abandoning both the Republican Party and the conservative media.

January 30, 2013
I am not a phony conservative, or indeed, a conservative of any kind.

June 9, 2016
I am not a conservative and I have long had to correct those who mistakenly believed I was.

Anyhow, three years later, Goldstein is still doubling down on his false and outdated perspective:
3 yrs ago, writing in The Federalist, I noted how the left’s embrace — and political deployment — of identity politics had given rise to, and a perverse justification for (in its own hive mind), white supremacy, a blunt rejection of the collective call by the left and academia to demonize whiteness.

I pored over & unpacked the “alt-right manifesto” of an influential “thought leader” of the movement and found what was easily recognizable: a progressive strain placing it on par with La Raza, BLM, CAIR, and Occupy (now Antifa). Essentially, Farrakhanism in a bed sheet.

The El Paso shooter, if we believe his manifesto, is for all intents and purposes, a confused National Socialist. He trafficked in identity and grievance politics while supporting much of the Green New Deal. He railed against capitalism and jobs lost to automation. He’s a leftist — as were the Nazis — who found himself part of an unprotected class; the Dayton shooter supported, in addition to Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, Antifa, which may have actually provided him gun tips in advance of his eventual spree killing. He, too, was a leftist.

Which is why conservatives should deplore all identity and grievance politics, regardless of the color it takes. Intersectionality, however, is the left’s stock and trade, from the academy to the media to Hollywood. Until that is marginalized, you won’t kill white supremacy, despite pleadings by the editors at National Review.

And here’s why: Many of the motivations of the white supremacist movement, which Vox Day couched as “alt-right” in his alt-right “manifesto,” were predictable and — again, however perversely — understandable: in a political and cultural ethos wherein white straight Christian males have become one of the last “identity groups” eligible for collective hostility and scapegoating, there was bound to be defensive push-back. In my piece I commiserated with some of the alt-right’s concerns while rejecting its underlying philosophy; I counseled the rejection of all identity politics and intersectionality, suggesting instead a return to founding principals: constitutionalism, federalism, republicanism, the rule of law, assimilation, and — most crucially —individualism and individual rights and autonomy....

We are a country of individuals. We need to act like it. It’s time to declare war on identity politics.
Let conservatives reject identity politics if they like. Who cares what conservatives do, say, or think anymore? They didn't conserve America. They didn't conserve the ladies room. They couldn't even conserve the two human sexes! And they won't be able to conserve indoor plumbing either. As for declaring war on identity politics, in 2019 that is like declaring war on gravity, or more to the point, declaring war on Alexander the Great on behalf of King Darius III of the Achaemenid Empire.

That war is already over. That war is already lost.

Counseling American Christians to return to principles that literally none of their rival identity groups accept is not merely idiotic, it is completely irrelevant. The literally satanic ideology of the individual is now as dead as the Whig Party and the Yangtze River dolphin, and no one is going to be able to revive it in a time when material identity has replaced abstract ideology.

Conservatives: I will not risk open identity politics.

Nationalists: Identity politics is upon you whether you would risk it or not.

Conservatives had better come to terms with accepting the reality of identity politics very, very soon, because what comes next is what Clausewitz would have called identity politics by other means.

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103 Comments:

Blogger NRx August 24, 2019 8:18 AM  

"Conservatism" was always going to be a loser, you can't win by constantly fighting holding actions (followed by defending the left's gains as part of the new Mos Maiorum). If I could go back in time and kill certain (lets say I'm restricted strictly to secular philosophers) after Marx, Rosseau, Kant and Locke I'd kill Edmund Burke and Russell Kirk.

Blogger Daniel August 24, 2019 8:26 AM  

Conservative conserves his defeats like a gamma at a class reunion.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 24, 2019 8:36 AM  

Ask Goldstein to oppose identity politics in particular in public, he won't, it's the usual ruse of going on a safe Hannity Dittohead captive audience safe space talk tough never follow thru.

I dare any of the Healers to go on college campuses and take aim at any of the Left's identity groups, hell the Healers can barely go on to college campuses and defend Israel much less aim any Critical Theory at the Left's approved human identity groups.

Blogger bad wolf August 24, 2019 8:41 AM  

When you’re a super-Individualist who “declares war”... aren’t you basically a mass shooter?

Blogger tublecane August 24, 2019 8:45 AM  

How can one conceive of the alt-right as an identity movement when it plainly includes many different identities. You'd have to be a globohomo zombie to think there is one identity even amongst straight white male Americans. Which of course is not the only ethnos contained in the alt-right.

In any case, what alt-right indicates fundamentally is outside the mainstream of the right, which is dominated by Conservatism Inc. Yes, rightists outside mainstream conservatism are more likely to "identify" with things beyond:

their own egos,
their nuclear families,
the Constitution,
(nonexistent) Judeo-Christian values,
bald eagles,
and periodic sexual emission

Blogger binks webelf August 24, 2019 8:45 AM  

20th century "Conservatism" = status quo, only 10-20 years slower.

New & improved 21st century "Conservatism" = status quo, only 2-5 years slower.

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 24, 2019 8:46 AM  

Next question: Will conservatives trend excluding human flesh from the menu? The trend says . . . no.

Blogger Sylvester Corleone August 24, 2019 8:48 AM  

Hi Vox, you said in the Alex Jones Show that feudalism is part of western civilization. Could you explain further on that, or maybe discuss it in one of the next livestreams? I thought that western civilization is a good thing, worth defending.

Blogger VD August 24, 2019 8:57 AM  

Feudalism is an aspect of the history of Western civilization. It is not an aspect of any non-Western civilization.

This says nothing about whether Western civilization is a good thing worth defending or not, it is simply a historical fact.

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 24, 2019 8:58 AM  

@8 Sylvester Corleone

I'm curious. Could you explain your understanding of what feudalism means? Because I suspect you're somewhat mistaken.

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 24, 2019 9:03 AM  

@7 Ah geez, Just got up, no coffee yet. "Will conservatives conserve excluding human flesh from the menu?"

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 24, 2019 9:05 AM  

@8, I'm with ZtG: what do you think feudalism was? Your question implies to me that you see feudalism as a great evil.

Blogger Robert Browning August 24, 2019 9:08 AM  

Call yourself and a Christian and make them attack the innocent one. They have to attack.

Blogger Dan in Georgia August 24, 2019 9:09 AM  

Conservatism:
Because winning ugly just isn’t who we are.

Blogger tuberman August 24, 2019 9:13 AM  

Conservatives are like the school marms and vice principals of old, saying,"It takes two to make an argument," all the while punishing the defender harsher than a bully, as they know the bully will slash their tires, if they root out the aggressor.

The Globalists created Identity Politics by creating "victim groups" to weaponize people that already tended to be anti-Western Civilization. Now, of course, anyone who fights back against the Globalist Identity Politics is stated to be the originator of the Identity Politics. But, it's OK, as it is time Western Christian types need to embrace their identity with pride.

Blogger VD August 24, 2019 9:16 AM  

The Globalists created Identity Politics by creating "victim groups" to weaponize people that already tended to be anti-Western Civilization.

No, identity politics are as old as group identities. The globalists simply created some new identities in order to weaponize those groups.

Blogger The Cooler August 24, 2019 9:21 AM  

Conservatives: They'll make great pets.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky August 24, 2019 9:23 AM  

(((Goldstein))) must revolt.against identity politics, because in the long run (((they))) always lose that game.

The "conservative" moral superiority is one of the most laughable things out there. "I'll stand by my arbitrary principles, even though it's killing me and destroying the very things my principles were intended to protect!"

Blogger Avalanche August 24, 2019 9:24 AM  

Vox Day: "literally none of their rival identity groups accept is not merely idiotic, it is completely irrelevant."

This is what I want to WAIL at the stupid stupid mostly boomer idiots (but I repeat myself) whom I run across in other venues... The audiences of, e.g.:

Graham Hancock, who partly does amazing excellent work in disassembling and possibly reassembling human prehistory, as against the stunted and controlled academic orthodoxy; but also often pushes for psychedelic drug use, even wanting to require 3-4 ayhuasca "trips" for people before they're allowed into politics; and worst of all, stumps always for pulling all the money from the MIC and gun makers, and confiscating the people's guns, and so on ... so we can all play nice. I keep wanting to scream at him: instead of always preaching this to the White middle and upper classes who make up your audience, go up to Detroit and see how far you get with THAT audience!!

The Electric Universe folks, many of whom, also boomer idiots, believe if only "we" can get across to "everyone" that once upon a time -- and just that makes it a fairy tale, does it not? -- there was the perfect harmony and peace where humans grew to the beginnings of modernity inside the plasma shield of Saturn around Earth and Mars, and Venus; the purple dawn of the planet... till the Sun ripped it away and Saturn failed to 'spark' into a Sun.

And, of course... all the damned CivNats and Conservatives who STILL believe, despite all the violent and destructive evidence to the contrary, that somehow "we" can get through to our destroyed younger generations -- and the idiot boomer hippy leftovers -- by BEING nice and playing nice and convincing them. I deal with some of them, lovely older gents who've been fighting -- and losing -- these battles for literally tens-of-years! Filled with despair approaching hopelessness but still TRYING to convince their/our enemies to stop- being our enemies. And recoiling from: the war IS COMING!

I look for a way to get the too-comfortable .. oh, yeah, "r-selected" folks... well, never mind rescuing them, I guess. An atrophied amygdala will forever prevent them from awakening. If you have NOT read Anonymous Conservative's book; please go do so. It both heartens and reassures, it's not that WE are doing something wrong in failing to reach the 'r's; it's a physical deficit.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 24, 2019 9:32 AM  

literally none of their rival identity groups accept is not merely idiotic, it is completely irrelevant

I had no interest in identity politics but at least I had the brains to notice they had taken an interest in ME.

I don't like it but it doesn't matter if I do. The truth is you only need one side to declare a war and they have...long since.

Blogger Sylvester Corleone August 24, 2019 9:33 AM  

@12, @10 Feudalism for me is a pyramid-like hierarchical system, where the ones that rule literally own 'their people'. They look at them as subservient subjects and are free to exploit them as they like. Whatever rights the subjects have or claim to have, has to be granted to them by the rulers. And considering that not all rulers are sincere christians, and further considering that there is no built-in control mechanism that runs from the bottom of the pyramid up to the top, evil is likely to occur.

Blogger urthshu August 24, 2019 9:33 AM  

Identity politics is just human nature reasserting itself and is a very old thing being exploited along it's natural contours. The "new" thing was always the all too temporary Enlightenment era politics, neither good or bad, but evidently containing the seeds of it's own undoing. I don't feel any joy in this backward arc but Vox has argued persuasively that it is inevitable for this period of history. The only question is the form it will ultimately take.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) August 24, 2019 9:35 AM  

Jeff Goldstein says Conservatism is a conservative movement. It's actually a psyop and a con game on par with Amway, Scientology, and Jim Jones.

Seriously though, I liked Jeff Goldstein in David Cronenberg's version of The Fly. Can't believe how far he's fallen.

Blogger NRx August 24, 2019 9:39 AM  

"Feudalism is an aspect of the history of Western civilization. It is not an aspect of any non-Western civilization."

Japan had something if not identical to Western feudalism at least very very similar. Daimyo were like feudal lords and nobles, Samurai were like knights. The difference being in the Japanese system the lord had ALL the rights and the vassals had none. In Japan if your immediate overlord ordered you to kill your family and then kill yourself you were supposed to just do it... in the West the "Vassals" theoretically at least had more rights. Zhou China had some similarities as well to the feudal system (but not as much as Japan).

What is mysterious is how it arose in Japan... in the West feudalism appeared as the hierarchy of conquering Germanic armies was transposed on the lands they conquered in Japan... the central Imperial government just broke down and it somehow acquired a feudal structure despite it not being conquered from the outside.

Blogger ZhukovG August 24, 2019 9:41 AM  

The Enlightenment is Dead! Thanks be to God!

As for Feudalism...criminy! Is there any tangent we won't go charging blindly off on?

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger Dan in Georgia August 24, 2019 9:47 AM  

Conservatism:

Losing, but beating the spread. Yeah!

Blogger Section 8A August 24, 2019 9:49 AM  

"And they won't be able to conserve indoor plumbing either."

That one blew the dial up to 9 on the ZPP (zingers per post) -ometer.

Blogger Dan in Georgia August 24, 2019 10:00 AM  

Conservatism:

Because winning is hard!

Blogger urthshu August 24, 2019 10:00 AM  

Feudalism is based on kinship, fealty and word-bond. It's hierarchical but then everything is.

Blogger The Observer August 24, 2019 10:06 AM  

Feudalism for me is a pyramid-like hierarchical system, where the ones that rule literally own 'their people'. They look at them as subservient subjects and are free to exploit them as they like. Whatever rights the subjects have or claim to have, has to be granted to them by the rulers. And considering that not all rulers are sincere christians, and further considering that there is no built-in control mechanism that runs from the bottom of the pyramid up to the top, evil is likely to occur.

Enlightenment propaganda about the "Dark Ages" has certainly taken hold in the minds of many.

Blogger Warunicorn August 24, 2019 10:11 AM  

I won't feel sorry for insects like Jeff when SHTF as it's f*ckheads like him that got us here. He might as well be lumped in with the other NPCs.

Blogger pyrrhus August 24, 2019 10:12 AM  

@27 San Francisco has already given up on conserving the use of indoor plumbing, apparently preferring "diversity" instead.....

Blogger Lone wolf August 24, 2019 10:15 AM  

Lol Vox is over the target again. Maybe that surrender monkey is smarting after having read Cuckservative?

Blogger Quilp August 24, 2019 10:16 AM  

I thought Protein Wisdom had died a much welcomed death years ago. Only something like the "Nationalist Conservative movement" could bring that emotionally damaged clown and his sidekick back out of their neoclown cave.

Blogger pyrrhus August 24, 2019 10:16 AM  

@30 As some historians have pointed out, there was much more individual freedom under feudalism than there is now in the West.....

Blogger tublecane August 24, 2019 10:23 AM  

@20- Identity politics is indeed unavoidable in a culture of Dieversity and perpetually intensifying Who/Whom. I think many conservatives turn their noses up at it because they have been brainwashed by Tolerance and Equality, but also because they're not talking about the same thing as we.

Leftists identity politics they despise for good reason and merely because the left is better at it. But the Coalition of the Fringes thing and "tribalism" don't exhaust it. Identity politics is after all just allowing your politics to be guided by things outside of yourself with which you identify. And I know conservatives have and do allow such things. They do not pretend to make political decisions from pure reason or by revelation. Sometimes it comes down to party loyalty, regional interests, "lifestyle" interests, etc.

In our Modern Times of increasing specialization, fewer and fewer things are supposed to matter about a person. His profession and what he consumes, because that can be useful. How do we decide what else? Same way we decide what counts as "discrimination" versus what is reasonable distinction between things: arbitrarily.

In politics, race doesn't matter (if you're white). Religion isn't supposed to matter. Language, national origin aren't necessarily supposed to matter. Place doesn't need to matter, because they can make you move.

Now, conservatives are fine with interest groups and voting blocs. Their hang-up comes when they think to themselves, "Okay, black people share interests, but 95% of them? Some of those must be born Republicans." Which is true, but irrelevant. We can argue over exactly how much uniformity we want in whatever group we pledge ourselves to.

However, either you pledge or you're not in politics. Unless your someone else's tool. Politics is Gang Warfare. In a country with much racial diversity, it is potential Race War. Even when we were a relatively homogenous people, we had a giant Civil War between identity groups.

Blogger Wilkes Marprelate August 24, 2019 10:28 AM  

Conservatives are just slow motion liberals. Don't worry, they'll get to the same point; just give them time to 'evolve.'

Blogger Relativno gama August 24, 2019 10:28 AM  

Hey Vox, would you mind expanding on "ideology of the individual"? I don't see why it would be satanic judging by name. Also, why is returning to principles that rival groups reject irrelevant? Christianity and christians have been in situations where they were opposed by everyone before.

Blogger English Tom August 24, 2019 10:31 AM  

Identity politics by other means.

AKA the hot phase.

AKA the cleansing.

Blogger Crush Limbraw August 24, 2019 10:36 AM  

Conservatism = Delusionville

Blogger Quilp August 24, 2019 10:38 AM  

The people that I have talked to who are coming around to identity politics on the right aren't necessarily doing so out of ideology, but necessity. The democrat party, for all its faults, protects its own. They won't even disavow their militant wing, ANTIFA.

The GOP on the other hand, protect no one. The IRS, EPA, DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA are all used against GOP members as political tools, and nothing is done. Often times, as with the TEA party, the GOP give a wink and a nod to their destruction by the left and the media. Sixty Five Million Americans are effectively disenfranchised by the great Russia collusion lie, and no one pays any consequences for it. Not only does the GOP allows its own members to be attacked politically by the left using the deep state, it doesn't even retaliate when its own base has their vote essentially nulled, while voting for them. That is not a viable organization of any kind, much less a political party. The GOP has displayed a level of cowardice that has some either going silent with their beliefs out of fear, or joining their natural identity group.

Blogger VD August 24, 2019 10:41 AM  

Feudalism for me is a pyramid-like hierarchical system, where the ones that rule literally own 'their people'.

No one cares what "Feudalism for Sylvester" is. That's not what feudalism was. Feudalism was "a set of reciprocal legal and military obligations among the warrior nobility" in medieval Europe.

This is not the place to opine or argue from ignorance.

Blogger Quilp August 24, 2019 10:47 AM  

I love the smell of tariffs in the morning.

Blogger Borsabil August 24, 2019 10:49 AM  

I used to think that globohomo would see me rounded up into a gulag and my children brain washed into being their slaves. The more I see them, the Epsteins and the Savilles, the spirit cookers and the pedos, the more naive and optimistic that seems. No they want me dead and they literally want to eat my children. They are illuminists with dreams of transhumanism and a utopia where they will fulfill all of their wildest depravities. There is no negotiation with that, no coming to terms, they are evil and either they will win or we will.

Blogger Max Boivin August 24, 2019 11:02 AM  

"It’s actually an identity movement on par with Black Lives Matter, La Raza, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, and other products of cultural Marxism."

Is it on par with ZOA too? It's strange that Goldstein didn't mention this one. Maybe it's alright when (((they))) do it. They are, after all, the god of this world's chosen people.

Blogger Blume August 24, 2019 11:02 AM  

@Sylvester Corleone, Feudalism refers to a specific set of contractual rights and duties that arose from the Germanic Tribal traditions and rights. What you are referring to is just despotism.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 24, 2019 11:30 AM  

"The literally satanic ideology of the individual"

Places liberty as its supreme being. Libertine, liberal, trailing left.

Blogger tublecane August 24, 2019 11:37 AM  

@47- "The weakest thing in the world. A man who lives only for himself."

Blogger Sylvester Corleone August 24, 2019 11:47 AM  

I have to admit that my opinion on feudalism was based on historical ignorance and, as The Observer said, on "enlightenment" propaganda. I'm always happy to learn from you guys.

Blogger Archimedes2017 August 24, 2019 11:51 AM  

If "identity movement" is so bad then please explain Israel, The India Pakistan partition (or any stan country) and the breakup of Yugoslavia.

Blogger jarheadljh August 24, 2019 11:54 AM  

I always just used to go straight to the root of the word, "conserve", and realized that there was little if anything about American politics that I wanted to conserve. You cannot be a conservative if you want to burn it all down and start over.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 24, 2019 11:57 AM  

Why are people here opposed to identity politics? It's human nature, devised by God Himself, even, when He created the nations. The only problem we have is that there are many, many nations, all intentionally packed into the same land, which happens to be the same place the American nation lives.

I like being with my own kind, my own people, my own culture. What's wrong with you? Stop running from your true identity. Embrace it. Nations are people. America is a nation. Your nation.

Blogger Roman Daoist August 24, 2019 12:01 PM  

VD, just so you know, I'm with you 1000%. VHS is DONE! I'm over it. It's Beta Max all the way! Oh and eggs are bad, carbs are good and there's some monkey that reckons smoking is, bad for you?

Europeans have become stupid to identity politics because Euro culture had become implicitly understood to be superior (so no-one bothered to (have the children) state it out-load).

Now people are challenging Euro superiority and Europeans don't know what to do with themselves. And being MORE POLITE doesn't seem to be solving anythinng. So they/we might end up trying the other thing... And we might find (REMEMBER) that we're good at it.......

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon August 24, 2019 12:04 PM  

It's always enjoyable to see a Jew excoriating other groups for engaging in identity politics. It's almost like seeing a morbidly obese 500lb person lecturing someone on their diet.

Notice his examples of 'cultural marxism': "Black Lives Matter, La Raza, the Council on American-Islamic Relations"

So he tags black people, mexicans and muslims with cultural marxism, but the one group that was really behind it all (cough cough Frankfurt School, Gramsci, etc) is MAGICALLY absent.

We are a nation of individuals, all those colored and white people are collectivist, but my own group (which incidentally maintains 50+ ethnic lobbying organizations and a vicious nation-state that shoots people for getting too close to our border walls) is all a group of enlightened individuals who are above identity politics.



Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 24, 2019 12:08 PM  

Sylvester Corleone wrote:@12, @10 Feudalism for me is a pyramid-like hierarchical system, where the ones that rule literally own 'their people'. They look at them as subservient subjects and are free to exploit them as they like. Whatever rights the subjects have or claim to have, has to be granted to them by the rulers.

Today we use flowery fairy tales to dress it up, but that's an excellent description of modern democracy.

Relativno gama wrote:Hey Vox, would you mind expanding on "ideology of the individual"? I don't see why it would be satanic judging by name.

Vox probably has a better answer than this, but the "ideology of the individual" usually boils down to ``non serviam.'' Satan won't serve God, and he doesn't want you doing that either.

Blogger Crush Limbraw August 24, 2019 12:30 PM  

You betcha, Roman Daoist! I decided to address the issue head on: White Supremacy is vital to the survival of Western Civilization - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2019/08/white-supremacy-is-it-time-to-face.html?m=0 - basic REALITY!

Blogger James Dixon August 24, 2019 12:36 PM  

> I counseled the rejection of all identity politics and intersectionality, suggesting instead a return to founding principals: constitutionalism, federalism, republicanism, the rule of law, assimilation, and — most crucially —individualism and individual rights and autonomy...

You first, Jeff; you first. I won't be holding my breath.

Our opponents will lay down their identity politics with their dying breath, and not before. As for the things he suggests? They've already failed and their return has been rejected and in some cases even outlawed by our opposition.

Blogger Crush Limbraw August 24, 2019 12:37 PM  

Lookie here, Stg58 - https://apnews.com/ba35f94a280648dfb1cf7e7af9712689 - identity politics is coming home in Michigan.
Hooray!

Blogger Don't Call Me Len August 24, 2019 12:42 PM  

We are a country of individuals.

"We are a flock of particularly clueless chickens, ready to be beheaded, plucked and boiled."

Blogger James Dixon August 24, 2019 12:46 PM  

> Feudalism for me is a pyramid-like hierarchical system, where the ones that rule literally own 'their people'.

As others have noted, your understanding is both overly simplistic and wrong. You have a lot of research to do before you can even begin to discuss the matter reasonably.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 24, 2019 12:52 PM  

Yeah, isn't it great, Crush?

Blogger James Dixon August 24, 2019 12:54 PM  

> but the "ideology of the individual" usually boils down to ``non serviam.''

As with all of the great lies, there's a kernel of truth to the elevation of individualism.

Salvation was granted to all, but must be accepted by the individual. Each person must choose who he will serve on his own. And the final passage from this existence is a solo journey. We are individuals, each trapped in our own bodies and minds and shaped by our own experiences.

That doesn't mean individualism should be elevated as the single greatest goal of all space and time anymore than the fact that we all must eat should place the pursuit of food over any and all other activities.

Blogger Talios Hammerfist August 24, 2019 12:55 PM  

I used to be a loser Conservative. Thanks for opening my eyes to the true fight!

Blogger Crush Limbraw August 24, 2019 1:08 PM  

To Ominous - Individual/State/God - Gary DeMar @ American Vision wrote:"The Bible has a lot to say about the balance of power in God’s created order. The individual has liberty within the confines of God’s law. The same is true of civil government. It has a governmental role to play but it’s severely limited." - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2019/08/keeping-state-from-becoming-god-by-gary.html?m=0 - you can read it all.

Blogger Athelstane August 24, 2019 1:09 PM  

Hello NRx @24:

"Japan had something if not identical to Western feudalism at least very very similar."

The historiography is not uniform on this, but to the extent that there's a most common treatment, I think Vox is right: strictly speaking, the term "feudalism" is used in the medieval (Christian) European context. It seems used more by analogy in other contexts.

This is not to say that we don't see many of the same aspects of feudalism in medieval Japan, because we do - pretty arguably, it's the closest thing we see to feudalism anywhere else in the world. What was lacking above all was the stronger sense of reciprocal duties between vassals and lords.

"What is mysterious is how it arose in Japan... in the West feudalism appeared as the hierarchy of conquering Germanic armies was transposed on the lands they conquered in Japan..."

I think you have it: a breakdown in central order. But it is not enough (Somalia has had that many times over, after all) - rather that Japan had certain (albeit not all) societal premises in common with Western Europe after the fall of Rome. But then Japan is rather unique in a number of ways.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 24, 2019 1:36 PM  


We are a country of individuals. We need to act like it. It’s time to declare war on identity politics.


Translation:

It's time to declare war on Right wing identity politics because they've always been easy to beat before.

I have no intention of doing anything more than bleating ineffectually at Left wing identity politics.

That isn't the point of this war anyway. In fact it would be off mission.


Poor Jeff. He speaks and no one listens. He writes and no one reads.



Blogger OvergrownHobbit August 24, 2019 1:40 PM  

The literal writing on the metaphorical wall at National Review came when they replaced A.D. and B.C. with C.E. And A.C.E. They could not even, within their own paper, conserve anno Domini.

Brian Niemeier's Witch Test strikes again.

I am, however, loath to give up our name, "conservative", for those who would conserve our Christian, national, and local institutions to these dewberries. I admit, I am probably tilting at windmills as recapturing language and reforming conservatives is a steep hill.

The touchstone that keeps "individual" vs. "the collective" division alive is a perversion of imago Dei. All men are not brothers, but they most assuredly were *meant* to be.

This ties coectivism to dehumanization. The capitalist crook still has a soul, and Christ died for him. The capitalist gusano may be squashed like a bug. Collectivism --> Group identity politics --> freedom to rape, imprison, genocide.

No Christian, or "American" (especially one who takes the Empire's virtues seriously) can join team Abortion. Team Communist Manifesto. Or, as Jonah Goldberg, with hand-wavium implies, team Alt Right.

"...And only my tribe is human" (for Christian values of human) is their dog-whistle.


Blogger OvergrownHobbit August 24, 2019 1:46 PM  

Addendum: "their" = Jonah Goldberg and the Establishment cons. Not any of the other antecedents. Mi dispiace.

Blogger VD August 24, 2019 1:52 PM  

I am, however, loath to give up our name, "conservative".

Why? You've conserved nothing under that banner. It should embarrass and humiliate you to be called a "conservative".

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 24, 2019 2:02 PM  

tublecane wrote:In politics, race doesn't matter (if you're white). Religion isn't supposed to matter. Language, national origin aren't necessarily supposed to matter. Place doesn't need to matter, because they can make you move.
Race doesn't matter (unless you're Jewish)
Religion doesn't matter (unless you're Jewish)
Nationality doesn't matter (unless you're Jewish)
It's all "I am too an American!" with Goldstein.

Blogger Scuzzaman August 24, 2019 2:06 PM  

Got to hand it to you,Vox, “identity politics by other means ” is brilliant.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 24, 2019 2:40 PM  

Overgrown Hobbit,

Using Italian phrases to look smart isn't going to get you anywhere.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl August 24, 2019 2:42 PM  

No. Because LOSING ugly just isn't who we are.
They've never won anything nor tried to win anything.
It's a losing position from Day 1.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 24, 2019 2:48 PM  

When people say they don't see color when they vote I ask if the favor is being returned.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 24, 2019 3:03 PM  

OvergrownHobbit wrote:I am, however, loath to give up our name, "conservative",...

I totally understand that. ``Conservative,'' or even ``cuckservative,'' sounds so much better than ``spineless surrender monkey'' or ``tool of the Left.''

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 24, 2019 3:05 PM  

Or faggot loser

Blogger One Deplorable DT August 24, 2019 3:07 PM  

Posts like this are why I check Vox's blog every morning. Absolutely knocked it out of the park.

And they won't be able to conserve indoor plumbing either. But at least they'll have their principles! bowtie spinning intensifies

Blogger DonReynolds August 24, 2019 3:22 PM  

I never worry much about which label someone wants to assign me. I have probably had every imaginable label attached to my name, by all kinds of people, whose opinions really did not matter.

It is like the team mascot in sports. Different teams have different colorful mascots. Often times they are animals or insects. Other times they take up a real or imaginary historical figure ...Patriots, Sooners, Volunteers, or Cowboys, for examples. The two high schools where I played football were the Green Wave (like Tulane) and the Cyclones (like Iowa State). These are neither animals or historic figures, but a different category of mascot.....like Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Flames, Rockets, for examples.

Without straying too far into sports, my point is that the team label, the team name, the mascot, does not define the team or make them into better or worse players nor is it a predictor of their future success or failure.

Call me whatever you like, but know me as a team player. I will do what I can to help the team win and I expect that to include some of my own pain and sacrifice. My team mates will do likewise.

Blogger sammibandit August 24, 2019 3:59 PM  

Maybe I'm not understanding conflict well but so long as I am in a team with a mission and we know ourselves the less the adversary knows the better. I don't want to be singled out as an individual when I'm engaged in a group conflict. That sounds dangerous.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 24, 2019 4:05 PM  

"I counseled the rejection of all identity politics and intersectionality, suggesting instead a return to founding principals:"

Do these people ever go outside and interact with anyone other than their fellow policy wonks?

"We are a country of individuals."

Which helped to get us in the mess we're in. As a response to hippie communists, they got a lot of decent people to embrace radical individualism, valuing profit and freedom over family and community. Even Ayn Rand's heroes weren't as individualistic as this guy's gang wants us to be.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 24, 2019 4:12 PM  

"or ``tool of the Left.''"

Buttpuppet.

"I don't want to be singled out as an individual when I'm engaged in a group conflict. That sounds dangerous."

Only if I'm acting as a decoy.

Blogger My Shield Is Disgust August 24, 2019 4:16 PM  

Charlie Kirk couldn't even conserve sodomy in Palestine.

Blogger Beardy Bear August 24, 2019 4:56 PM  

I was a libertarian civnat conservative until SDL demolished my civnat faggotry on twitter in a not-so-subtle but still civil debate. The impurities must be refined from iron to become steel. Our Iron has broken, it is not enough, it never was. I am a grateful American Nationalist. Thank you VD. You don't believe debates work, and I agree with public figures, but you sure showed me the light through one.

Blogger James Dixon August 24, 2019 5:17 PM  

> You don't believe debates work,

Debate works with an open mind willing and able to handle dialectic thought. That's a rather small percentage of the population at this point.

Blogger Dan in Georgia August 24, 2019 6:59 PM  

I know. I’m imagining something along the lines of those hilarious “Demotivational” posters I used to see in people’s cubicals years ago.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 24, 2019 8:43 PM  

@67

"I am, however, loath to give up our name, "conservative", for those who would conserve our Christian, national, and local institutions to these dewberries. I admit, I am probably tilting at windmills as recapturing language and reforming conservatives is a steep hill."

None of those can be conserved without first regaining what was lost.

At this stage of the game, if you're not a reactionary, you're with the other side.

Blogger DonReynolds August 24, 2019 8:43 PM  

Tomorrow is our gracious host's birthday and I know I speak for many when I wish him a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

Happy Birthday for Vox Day.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 24, 2019 8:49 PM  

@85

I used to hang up printouts of those posters on bulletin boards at K-Mart headquarters whenever there had been an "all personnel" type meeting in which the agenda was pure lunacy.

Blogger Richard Martel August 24, 2019 10:34 PM  

Losing gracefully since..... wow, I can't remember a time when the right wasn't defined by losing. Even when we win we end up losing.

Blogger Toris August 24, 2019 10:46 PM  

"Name" works too.

Aside from race, language, etc., regarding nationality, 'name' used to be part of the conversation.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 25, 2019 4:52 AM  

Crush Limbraw wrote:- identity politics is coming home in Michigan.

Hooray!


That is one brave lady. I love to see that. Maybe we have hope after all.

And though she's undoubtedly a boomer, she's not a Boomer.

Blogger Statix August 25, 2019 9:12 AM  

Intersectionality however, is the left’s stock and trade, from the academy to the media to Hollywood. Until that is marginalized, you won’t kill white supremacy...

For fuck's sake, I don't want to kill "white supremacy." Why not? Because it doesn't exist. It's a hoax. The total US population of white supremists is 15. They are a non-entity.

If your primary goal is to eliminate "white supremacy," then you're a useless idiot at best, and the enemy at worst. Never, ever cut your nose to spite your face.

Blogger van helsing August 25, 2019 11:17 AM  

10-20 years (kahservative delay of dimrat achievements)? more like 3 years. at most.

Blogger Lovekraft August 25, 2019 8:05 PM  

Not that he has the time to entertain individual requests, but I wish Vox would weigh in and offer some thoughts on Canada's upcoming federal election. We have the Turd, and Turdlite, with the maverick Bernier seeming to be the real deal. The problem I have is Bernier may just end up splitting the right's vote and re-electing the UberGlobalist

Blogger ace August 26, 2019 8:57 AM  

There's a word for that kind of behavior, mathematically speaking.

Blogger sumdudesfrysauce August 26, 2019 3:08 PM  

I get that elevating the individual above all else is satanic (like humanism), but how is individualism satanic?

Blogger OvergrownHobbit August 26, 2019 7:22 PM  

I am, however, loath to give up our name, "conservative".

Why? You've conserved nothing under that banner. It should embarrass and humiliate you to be called a "conservative".

A fair question.

1. First they come for our language. The Left again and again, takes, our words. It's not enough anymore to try to hold the line. We must take them back.

2. Sackcloth and rhetoric It is useful to be able to say "We conservatives screwed the pool. We can't be like the Fake cons. We must be courageous, Christian, and nationalist."

3 For institutions still UN-converged. It was conservatives in the laity and leadership who cast out the false churches and reclaimed LCMS seminaries from SemInEx. The name "conservative" is what is spit by cucks and progs at those who are holding the line with Law and Gospel.

But my husband agrees with you. Despite these reasons, the word is lost. Maybe you are right.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 27, 2019 2:21 AM  

Since Conservatism isn't working, and has given up valuable ground, then at this point, you can either be a Reactionary, or you're on the other side.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 27, 2019 12:39 PM  

"how is individualism satanic?"

What measure is an ism? Is it a posit of systemic or moral supremacy? Is it a sole focus of consideration? It certainly isn't a statement that the individual is only one distinction of many that matter; no one uses it in that manner.

As a posit of systemic or moral supremacy it is necessarily satanic. As a sole focus of consideration it is blind and thereby a slave to the ruler of this world.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 27, 2019 12:45 PM  

"The name "conservative" is what is spit by cucks and progs at those who are holding the line with Law and Gospel."

Meaning "holdout", "killjoy", "relict", "outmoded", "backward", "fearful", "grasping". If someone names you a loser/pervert, your response is to adopt the title?

The term itself is cuckish loser mentality. We're here to win, and you cannot win by your inability to come off the defensive.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 27, 2019 12:57 PM  

sumdudesfrysauce wrote:I get that elevating the individual above all else is satanic (like humanism), but how is individualism satanic?
Individualism is the declaration that the collective, the family, the clan, the tribe, the nation, is of no importance, and is in fact harmful whenever it interferes in the least with the individual's self-actualization.
This is the essence of Satanic. "Do as thou wilt"

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 27, 2019 5:20 PM  

@97 hobbit, if you are taking conservative as a label, it's tainted by the past failures of those who claimed it. If you're taking conservative as a description of what you do, you are doomed to repeat those past failures.

In short, it's a shameful description of a losing strategy. Stop conserving the victories of the satanists and start trying to undo their victories, and trying to have some victories of our own.

Blogger steveaz August 30, 2019 12:04 PM  

For the past eight to twelve years, Goldstein has opposed any and all attempts to use the Progs' own incisive weapons against them. While the American Left was dragging Mitt Romney behind a 1976 Ford sedan with a dog kennel strapped on the cab, Jeff Goldstein's biggest fear was that "conservatives" might adopt Alinsky's rules of slander and faction-alization in response. Which, incidently, is exactly the fortification we needed to adopt in what is, for all intents and purposes, a war of media and rhetoric.

He'd be a great neighbor to hold all night bs sessions with. Heck we agree on everything else. But if he'll unilaterally disarm us of our weapons of wit and toungue, and fretfully grab his .22 and spray lead - before deploying ALL the rhetorical weapons at his disposal, then he's a hot-headed loose cannon and I'm not sure he's the sort of guy I want behind me in a fox hole.

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