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Wednesday, August 14, 2019

Disney is TRYING to kill Star Wars

And, by the looks of it, it is succeeding:
A new rumor suggests J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson’s The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi movies were supposed to reboot the entire Star Wars franchise.

The source told Buechler:

“Rian was not just randomly writing a story nor was JJ. JJ’s job was to create a in-canon reboot like the 2009 movie and introduce the new characters. Rian’s job was to kill off the originals and then you were suppose to not notice it was rebooted. Each was given the outline to make it and what the points were. So now you know why. Disney did not want to pay a license fee and by end of it all looked different and was a new copyright under the old name. They even changed the Falcon to be different. But the orders was in the end to leave nothing original.”

The source added:

“There is this just quick. There was always one plan. After the reaction to The Last Jedi, the decision was made to bring in J.J. to fix the plan he laid out and they threw Rian under the bus. This is why they said Rian might get his own trilogy. They just didn’t expect the backlash to be as toxic as it was and consequently Solo flopped.”
The belief is that Disney owes some kind of licensing fees to Lucas if the original characters are involved, so they're trying to replace them in order to fully own everything. Of course, it's also possible that the original characters are simply too white and straight for the Devil Mouse to abide.

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108 Comments:

Blogger Ryan August 14, 2019 9:46 AM  

I wonder if Disney had/has a similar plan with the theme parks and merchandise.

Blogger Brick Hardslab August 14, 2019 9:50 AM  

Nobody liked the reboot. So the plan was to take the name and concept and stripmine everything else?

Blogger NO GOOGLES August 14, 2019 9:51 AM  

It is always greed with these people. They burned down a franchise that they paid $4bn for just because they didn't want to pay licensing fees? The Force Awakens showed that all they really needed to do was remake the old movies with slight changes and new special effects and it would print money. I hated TFA but most people I know loved it and didn't even notice it was just A New Hope with a slightly different tone (with some poorly written new characters added/substituted). They could have minted cash by the truckload just pandering to Star Wars fans and it would have been the easiest thing in the world.

But no - they could not abide having to pay some licensing fees and now they have LOST money on Star Wars - something that most people 5-10 years ago would have thought impossible. How greedy can you be?

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2019 9:51 AM  

So the Lucas films are the only canon films, then.

Fair enough.

Disney can DIAF. And they will.

Blogger ar10308 August 14, 2019 9:54 AM  

This does make a lot of sense.
Red Letter Media made the prediction that they were going to "Avengers: Endgame" or new "Star Trek" the "Rise of Skywalker" and do a bunch of time travelling. JJ Abrams does like to pointlessly play with timelines, so this would give him the perfect excuse to do so. Using that premise, they could remake the series in whatever image they wanted, thereby potentially retconning the entire original trilogy.

Blogger dienw August 14, 2019 9:55 AM  

That also partially explains the Avenger movies.

Blogger 14wordstofreedom August 14, 2019 9:56 AM  

1. Identify a respected institution.
2. kill it.
3. gut it.
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 14, 2019 9:58 AM  

There was a similar issue with the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies.
The reason for the nonsense alternate timeline was because of licensing.
And if that's the case with Disney SW, it also explains why they burned LucasArts, cut the EU, and killed the OT characters.

Blogger Ziggurat Vertigo August 14, 2019 9:59 AM  

If this were the reason it would have been discussed much sooner.
Disney and all of Hollywood keep remaking everything not because they are creatively bankrupt (though they are), but because they are trying to REWRITE HISTORY. The remake is meant to REPLACE the original, not to make money. They don't care about making money anymore they own everything, now they want to promote their agenda.

Blogger JAG August 14, 2019 10:02 AM  

Unknown wrote:So the Lucas films are the only canon films, then.

Fair enough.

Disney can DIAF. And they will.


Point of personal privilege!

Only the OG trilogy counts.

Blogger Ingot9455 August 14, 2019 10:02 AM  

This doesn't quite fit with Leia floating back in to the ship with force powers though.

Blogger cecilhenry August 14, 2019 10:02 AM  



And it will work!!


Globohomo™ will destroy everything 'inclusive' enough to let it get a foothold.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2019 10:03 AM  

Apoptosis, at the large institution/corporate level.

In Disney's case, perhaps more like the gangrene that sets in when a large, aggressive tumor invades the circulatory system and cuts off blood to original source of the neoplasm. Think "leprosy" or "ergotism."

Yet DIS persists at almost 1000% up from the 2009 low, a reminder that the Herd remains the Devil Mouse's guest in Fantasy Land. I still believe that when this Mania-of-Trust evaporates, taking the Mother-of-All-Credit-Bubbles with it, DIS will trade below its 1974 low of (splits-adjusted) $0.39/share. I have no idea when.

Blogger Amy August 14, 2019 10:07 AM  

Was Carrie Fisher murdered so Leia, Warrior Queen, didn’t have to feature in the stories?

Blogger Out of Nod August 14, 2019 10:12 AM  

Funny that you'd ask that...I was thinking the same thing

Blogger Nostromo August 14, 2019 10:17 AM  

Trekkies are rejoicing! They win!!

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2019 10:22 AM  

Trekkies are being rounded up by the busload. Haven't you followed the news about one pedophile/child-porn ring after another being rolled up?

Blogger David Craig August 14, 2019 10:24 AM  

Disney should ease everyone's pain and simply levy a tax instead of making movies. They still get to make money and nobody will be tempted to watch their sorry excuses of movies.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov August 14, 2019 10:27 AM  

Ariel is now Black. Nothing is stopping them from making Solo a Black female. And giving Chewie pink fur. Is that enough to break licensing agreements?

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 14, 2019 10:29 AM  

They took lightning in a bottle, let all the lightening out, and filled it with soda. Soda ain't bad if your thirsty for some, but it's not lightning. Sweet'n'Fizzy doesn't replace Thunder'n'Lightning very well.

Blogger riffer73 August 14, 2019 10:34 AM  

Saw that on his show yesterday. Same deal with Star Trek Cannon vs Prime vs Kelvin and the 25% rule. Totally ruined Star Trek.

Blogger Zed, Lord of the Brutals August 14, 2019 10:34 AM  

It's not that they win, it's that the other guy loses.
Hence the reason "jew" is also a verb. Some just feel an overwhelming compulsion to swindle.

Blogger Borsabil August 14, 2019 10:37 AM  

@17 I assume that some Trekkies aren't pedos. It is definitely a red flag though, like avoid leaving your 14 year old son in the care of a gay, troon, atheist sperg with a Star Trek obsession who's a Magic the Gathering judge on weekends (in between his volunteering for the Boy Scouts).

@9 VD is quoting a Youtuber who claims to have connections at Lucasfilm. Is it possible? For sure, George is well known for his business savvy, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's out Jewed Eisner. It's definitely the case that Disney have been desperate to cast aside the original IP. We also have the precedent of the Star Trek licensing deal with the Jew Jew Abrams Kelvin timeline bullshit. So maybe it's a mixture of the two, the Devil mouse being short sighted greedy fucks and wanting to subvert a beloved institution.

Blogger Pope Cleophus I August 14, 2019 10:44 AM  

I stopped watching after parts 1,2 and 3. As a rule, I refuse to watch anything that JizzMe (Disney) produces.

Blogger Amy August 14, 2019 11:00 AM  

The lack of imagination in these reboots (RIP, Star Trek) is staggering.

Perhaps it’s nostalgia or a refusal to put away this particular childish thing, but I found the original Star Wars actually compelling even if it was a rather straightforward space opera. The characters, the plot, the scenery, the music, it all fit into a beautiful package. Yes, the special effects have been outstripped by CGI, and the Farm Boy goes to Six Flags story is well known, but I enjoyed them tremendously. I still do.

Leia was not a particularly compelling character in the original run of films, but the lost-son element of her story, introduced in the abominable episode seven, could have been developed. Rae is not compelling. The black storm trooper and Nouveau Han, extremely bland and frankly, over-acted by their portrayers.

That the “final” three installments were intended as a reboot is not lost on me, but I’m a bit surprised at how many people I know IRL whom cannot (or will not) open their eyes to this reality.

Skin Suits never were more fashionable.

Blogger Longtime Lurker August 14, 2019 11:03 AM  

Corporate vampirism thy name is Disney.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction August 14, 2019 11:05 AM  

@25

Even worse for Disney is that they would have been simply better pumping out more of the OG content as no one was complaining about more of the same from Star Wars. But Disney had to offer the prospect of something new and interesting (when they never intended that in the first place), getting the fans hopes up for an expansion of the universe, and then promptly crapping out a frakenstein version of what was originally produced.

I've crapped on Lucas prequels as much as anyone but the universe was still interesting and something I was willing to explore. I have no interest whatsoever in this new stuff.

Blogger Scott August 14, 2019 11:09 AM  

Point of personal privilege!

Machete Order is the best Star Wars experience. Episode 4 and 5 are classics and 5 ends with the best hook in the series. Then you go back in time to Episodes 2 and 3, which are improved by skipping Episode 1, and after Episode 3 you finish the series with episode 6. Episode 6 is improved because Episode 2 and 3 add a new layer of foreshadowing and suspense to Episode 6 that was present in the original but not really obvious to anyone without the backstory 2 and 3 provide.

Machete Order is Star Wars.

Blogger 🐻Drew🐻 August 14, 2019 11:14 AM  

Agree with the latter. And if the first is true, they made a horrible business decision since solo flopped and the series is dying.

Blogger Scott August 14, 2019 11:19 AM  

@23 The only Trekkie I've met in the real world went on to serve twenty-five to life for murdering his lover's husband.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville August 14, 2019 11:22 AM  

I'm still waiting for the Robot Chicken full length reboot of Star Trek Wars.

Jar Jar Scotty, Obi Wan Kirk and Darth Spock. Winning!!!!

Blogger Tars Tarkas August 14, 2019 11:25 AM  

"Point of personal privilege"

It really surprises me how many conservatives don't see this line, and others like it, for what it is.
It should really go... "Point of personal power"

Blogger Gen. Kong August 14, 2019 11:27 AM  

Interesting. So Devilmouse wanted to avoid paying their fellow Satanist Lucas for his copyright and trademark interests on the original movies. That's fairly long-term thinking on Devilmouse's part as (thanks in so small part to Devilmouse's own bribes of congress, the copyright term on Lucas' work is now for his lifetime plus 70 years, while the trademarks are basically perpetual.

It's curious to see posters here complaining about Chinese stealing of IP. If the bulk of the IP is owned by the likes of Devilmouse, Pedowood and the Banksteins of Wall Street why should anyone care? The ridiculous terms found in the west do nothing except enrich those who are hell-bent upon its destruction. Another example of failing to distinguish mortal enemies from lesser enemies.

Blogger Shimshon August 14, 2019 11:30 AM  

This article implies that Rian Johnson was not quite totally on board with the plan. And it explains the inexplicable.

I was kind of surprised when they pulled him. It's pretty far back in his filmography, but I liked Brick and The Brothers Bloom. He had to do a better job than JJ the hack. How could he have possibly messed up Star Wars more than him? Now it comes out that he probably couldn't. It must be that in some way, he did want to be more faithful to the franchise. Or perhaps he was on the take by George Lucas.

It also shows just how craven and stupid Disney is, to buy the franchise, without actually owning the characters in the franchise, with the intent from the start to do a reboot, right down to remaking A New Hope as The Force Awakens. In fact, that might as well have been the full and proper title.

Blogger Newscaper312 August 14, 2019 11:32 AM  

@17 and @23

Hearing about the Star Trek pedo correlation a few years ago made me rethink that adult Aussie band playing kiddie music The Wiggles that was on US TV a fair amount in the early oughts when my son was young. I always thought the original cast, before they added a girl and put their logo on outfits, looked suspiciously like old school Star Trek uniforms.

Blogger Gen. Kong August 14, 2019 11:35 AM  

Disney and all of Hollywood keep remaking everything not because they are creatively bankrupt (though they are), but because they are trying to REWRITE HISTORY. The remake is meant to REPLACE the original, not to make money. They don't care about making money anymore they own everything, now they want to promote their agenda.

This is a good point and it ties in with mine above. They do own everything (not literally, but for all intents and purposes). Besides the short-term savings of avoiding payments to Lucas, Devilmouse now have the perfect opportunity to do what they want:

1. Identify a respected institution.
2. kill it.
3. gut it.
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.


Subversion which ultimately morphs to full-blown inversion. They deserve no respect whatsoever.

Blogger urthshu August 14, 2019 11:35 AM  

Never really was a fan of either Trek or SW. They're okay, that's all. Aliens was superior in all respects as far as space opera goes, then a few one-shot movies. But sure, that franchise was dead a long time ago.

Blogger Shimshon August 14, 2019 11:37 AM  

Lucas didn't just get out while the getting was good. His sale to Disney makes even more sense given this new context. He got to keep the cow and the barn too. To completely mix up metaphors, but appropriately. Disney thought it was a clever little mouse. Really, it's just another media whore.

I would not be surprised to see him end up taking the dead franchise off Disney's hands for $1 at some point in the not too distant future. But only after doing a crowdfunding campaign offering the opportunity for fans to help him buy it back for a cool billion (still a massive Disney loss).

Blogger P Glenrothes August 14, 2019 11:39 AM  

Snake venom is an enzyme. Enzymes catalyze the destruction of tissue with out being consumed in the process.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist August 14, 2019 11:48 AM  

@20 They didn't fill the bottle with soda. They peed in it. Now they think we'll buy it, because it still has the Star Wars label on it.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist August 14, 2019 11:49 AM  

And they laughed while they did it.

Blogger Ray - SoCal August 14, 2019 12:00 PM  

Licensing makes sense as why Disney did what it did on focusing on new characters. Lucas negotiating is why he is so rich, he out negotiated the studios starting with Star Wars by getting 100% of the merchandise rights. I would not be surprised if he got 25% of the merchandising rights for existing characters in the Star Wars Universe...

Another reason is ego. Hollywood types almost always go for bigger and better, and want to leave their mark on a movie. More explosions, more action, more special effects, new characters, unfortunately they forget about the story. I first noticed this with Star Ship Troopers, amazing special effects that cost major $$$ at the time, but horrible story.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 14, 2019 12:02 PM  

Red Letter Media did a commentary for Return of the Jedi not long before the Disney Wars movies started. They speculated a bit about the possibility of Disney re-releasing the original original trilogy without Lucas's special edition changes (we were so naive then). One of them said Disney didn't have the full rights to the original un-specialized Star Wars because of complications from Lucas's divorce. The Fox purchase might have cleared that up; I don't know. But I guess it is possible that there are still licensing issues hanging around.

I still think most of what Kennedy/Abrams/Johnson did was about remaking Star Wars in their own image and subverting the original themes of heroism, good vs. evil, and romance. They did use the original characters; they just crapped on them.

Blogger Ingemar August 14, 2019 12:09 PM  

They did Mark Hamill dirty.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 14, 2019 12:14 PM  

This doesn't quite fit with Leia floating back into the ship with force powers though.

Yeah, if Carrie Fisher hadn't died, presumably she would have been back for the next one. Her CGI simulacrum might be, though who knows how the licensing works on that. And now they're hinting that the emperor is coming back in some way. If they're trying to get rid of the OT characters, they're taking their time about it. You'd think they'd have given them cameos in the first movie and been done with them, if that was the goal.

Blogger Quilp August 14, 2019 12:17 PM  

What can I do to help Disney to drive that stake?

Blogger Borsabil August 14, 2019 12:22 PM  

@42 the story seems to be that Lucas negotiated to keep a share of the licensing for the toys. The toys have historically been 60% of the revenue generated by the Star Wars IP and are way more important than the movies. I think that's very, very likely. If George thought that Disney was trying to Jew him out of a couple of billion on the sale, he could have insisted on retaining a share of what Disney were actually interested in buying, the merchandising. I assume from the way Disney has made the movies that the percentage was tied to whether or not changes had been made to the IP, similar to Paramount and CBS with Star Trek, hence the hated square dish on the Falcon and C3POs red arm, and the amount of time the original characters spend in the movies, Luke being excluded entirely from the first movie and R2-D2 barely appearing, replaced by the ball thing. Note the two droids, Luke and the Falcon have historically been the biggest selling toys for SW.

Blogger One Deplorable DT August 14, 2019 12:26 PM  

Behind every awful movie, slow computer program, ad riddled website spying on you, IT security breach, fallen bridge, and 737 crashed into the ground is a pasty upper management type who wanted a quarterly bonus for shaving a few more bucks off the project.

Absent a truly and fully Christian society, I don't know how you solve the economic problem that some people are so filled with greed they can't even see they are killing the gold egg laying goose. They can only see the savings on goose feed.

Blogger Riejun August 14, 2019 12:29 PM  

I was (am) a huge Star Wars fan... I grew up with the original three (Episode IV was my first movie in a theater when I was only five). The sequels, especially episode VIII really bothered me. Yes VII was just a reboot of IV, but VIII was a horrible, malicious movie on so many levels. It broke the franchise.

I don't buy that Disney solely wanted to avoid paying fees. They could easily avoided this by creating an entirely new storyline. This could have included all the SJW/woke dogma, while also being well-written and making a fortune. IMO, Disney intentionally broke the Star Wars franchise (maybe the fee thing is a secondary goal) and were delusional enough to think they could still rake in a fortune from idiots like me...

As stated many times, SJWs are evil to the core and will destroy anything "good" that they can. Disney's destruction of Star Wars was intentional, it wasn't about saving money, it was about remaking history/culture in their deluded image while destroying non-SJW dogma culture...

Blogger Jack Amok August 14, 2019 12:30 PM  

The idea of perpetual franchises for mass-media is a dead end anyway. At some point, the story is told, the characters have developed all that's reasonable for them to develop, and the plot has run it's course. Continuing to crank out new content will become less and less appealing to adults. There will be a small niche who will be loyal to the setting and always want more, but most people will move on after the story is done.

The Star Trek pedo thing is probably a good example of that. There's nothing inherently pedo-friendly about the original series (or even the follow-ons). The original series was fun, even if it seems a bit campy in hindsight. It entertained plenty of people who grew up to be not pedos.

But those people don't - as adults - go to conventions dressed up like Spock and don't debate Klingon grammar or argue about whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain. They let it go when they grew up.

All these modern Holly-pedo-wood types, they don't want to market to functional adults. Much easier to entertain kids, especially the perpetual ones.

Here's a good rule of thumb - if you have a movie or TV series that spawns a franchise, don't try to keep it going past the functional lifespan of the actors. When your leading man is too old to play a leading man, and his love interest is better suited to playing the wise old grandmother, the series is over. Throw it a party, hand it a gold watch, and move on along with the rest of your audience.

Blogger Borsabil August 14, 2019 12:34 PM  

I'd say it's more about Hollywood becoming even more Jewish than it was a decade ago and more riddled with nepotism. The streaming wars aren't helping either. Everyone wants to be Netflix, borrow long on junk bonds at 5%, churn out product with no fucks given to quality, write it all up in your balance sheet, rinse and repeat. This will keep going until it won't, which may be a while yet.

Blogger Jack Amok August 14, 2019 12:41 PM  

trying to get rid of the OT characters

Well, if you are going to make live-action movies, you need (at least for the moment) live actors, and as Carrie Fischer shows, you eventually run out of live actors from the original movie.

Star Wars and Star Trek have taken two different approaches to that problem. Star Trek rebooted the same characters with different actors, and went to a lot of trouble to find new, younger, actors who could be made to resemble the original ones. Star Wars killed the old characters off and brought on new characters played by new actors.

But of course the characters are what made the franchise, and no one cares about Darth Emo, Generic Fighter Jock, Mary Rae Sue or Black Stormtrooper Guy.

Blogger xevious2030 August 14, 2019 1:10 PM  

The reprobate mind entered the pigs, and then ran the pigs into the river to drown. Devil Mouse is the same story, different setting. Such a mind never seems to tire of running onto the river to drown. Not being under the Law, can pull the pigs out and make bacon.

Blogger WOPR August 14, 2019 1:15 PM  

NO GOOGLES wrote:It is always greed with these people. They burned down a franchise that they paid $4bn for just because they didn't want to pay licensing fees? The Force Awakens showed that all they really needed to do was remake the old movies with slight changes and new special effects and it would print money. I hated TFA but most people I know loved it and didn't even notice it was just A New Hope with a slightly different tone (with some poorly written new characters added/substituted). They could have minted cash by the truckload just pandering to Star Wars fans and it would have been the easiest thing in the world.

But no - they could not abide having to pay some licensing fees and now they have LOST money on Star Wars - something that most people 5-10 years ago would have thought impossible. How greedy can you be?


TFA simply had the nostalgia afterglow going for it. JJ can usually pull of one of those for any franchise, see Star Trek 2009. About a year later though, a lot of those gushing fans realized that there wasn't much to TFA. It was obvious TLJ needed to deliver on answering some questions, filling plot holes, and filling out the characters. Had TLJ simply failed in that, it would have been like ST:Into Darkness. Instead it blew up the franchise.

Had Disney been smart, the first film would have been the big three as the main drivers with the new characters coming in throughout the film and playing roles. By the end of the trilogy, the big three are done and the new characters are in-place.

Rey - the Mary Sue'st of them all
Fin - even I felt sorry for the actor in that role. Black comic relief. Should have been more like the Kurt Russell character in Soldier.
Poe - absurdly great pilot with nothing else

Blogger MrNiceguy August 14, 2019 1:24 PM  

I was a huge Star Wars fan in high school and college. I loved the original movies, the expanded-universe novels, and particularly the X-wing series of games. And while the George Lucas prequels put my fanboy-ism into long-term remission, Episode 8 made me walk away completely. I never saw the original trilogy in the theater, but I bought a ticket for every one through ep 8.

It's too bad Solo did so poorly at the box office - I honestly think it's the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy. (And a reasonable argument could be made that it's better than Return of the Jedi). But episode 7 and 8 were such cancer they drove off the long-time fans.

Blogger Newscaper312 August 14, 2019 1:34 PM  

Frankly I don't understand why people were so in shock about Last Jedi (which I still have not seen other than about 15 min on cable).
Force Awakens *already* introduced Mary Sue AND cut the balls off Han and Luke, with both of them running away for 20 years when things got tough.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 14, 2019 1:36 PM  

One of the twittercons did his consumerist duty and took his family to that SW Disney park, said the Rey character came out and no who was there cared, so sad.

"It's dead Jim"

Blogger Newscaper312 August 14, 2019 1:37 PM  

I enjoyed TFA in the theater for nostalgia factor, despite way too much theft from ANH, but the more I thought about it the worse my opinion became.
Once I got to rewatch on TFA on streaming --- it suffred badly on the rewatch, by a lot.

Blogger Jake August 14, 2019 1:44 PM  

Star wars died when Lucas had teddy bears defeat elite stormtroopers. Empire Strikes Back was the last wholly good movie, good day.

Blogger binks webelf August 14, 2019 1:46 PM  

Whatever the secret machinations between the Dark Lord George & Devilmouse, the reality is the 20% of the fandom who coughed up 80% the loot are alienated, the 80% of movie goers who only pay 20% of the loot are fickle.

Neo-Diz Wars has utterly failed to engage the current younger generation (or their parents) in the new films, hence the dismal toy sales, Hasbro troubles, and the death of Toys-R-Us. Likewise the failure of the new Neo-Star Wars theme park, with none of the legacy characters in costume, now cutting staff because of the underwhelming response.

DevilMouse ate a poison pill, and is bleeding money and credibility as a result. This original Summer of '77 Star Wars guy & his Millennial kids = shrugs all 'round. "What Star Wars?"

Blogger Bobiojimbo August 14, 2019 1:47 PM  

The financial angle explains a lot and puts many pieces into place.

Blogger Amy August 14, 2019 1:49 PM  

*Rogue One* wasn’t all that bad. The Disney FX *Rebels* show isn’t too bad, either. Paeans to Holy Diversity aside, the stories are respectably good. As fanfic gone big leagues, it works.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 14, 2019 1:50 PM  

One Deplorable DT wrote:Behind every awful movie, slow computer program, ad riddled website spying on you, IT security breach, fallen bridge, and 737 crashed into the ground is a pasty upper management type who wanted a quarterly bonus for shaving a few more bucks off the project.


You left out "Boomer"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 14, 2019 1:51 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:At some point, the story is told, the characters have developed all that's reasonable for them to develop, and the plot has run it's course.
Homer Simpson would like a word with you...

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 14, 2019 1:54 PM  

@56, TFA had a headstart with fans because it wasn't the prequels. After the prequels, fans just wanted a space adventure without talky scenes about the Senate or counting midichlorians, and they got that. Even those who noticed the Mary Sue and grrl-power aspects hoped that Disney's love of money would keep those under control.

Also, Abrams can make an entertaining movie that keeps moving and doesn't give you time to think too much about the details. Star Trek 2009 is a poor Star Trek movie, but it's an entertaining enough sci-fi action movie on the big screen. It just doesn't hold up to much thinking afterwards.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei August 14, 2019 1:59 PM  

Force Awakens *already* introduced Mary Sue AND cut the balls off Han and Luke, with both of them running away for 20 years when things got tough

Obi-Wan and Yoda ran away and hid too, so it's a rich tradition in the Star Wars universe.

Blogger Noah B. August 14, 2019 2:00 PM  

Trekkies are rejoicing! They win!!

Spoken like someone who hasn't seen any of the new Star Trek: Diversity series. It's much worse than you would likely imagine. I knew it was going to suck, but I had to see just how bad it was after I saw Justin Amash praising it on Twitter.

Blogger Amy August 14, 2019 2:07 PM  

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/08/disney-is-trying-to-kill-star-wars.html?showComment=1565805076446&m=1#c5201974268333910651

Yes, but Homer &co were not intended to really age or develop, much the same as Bugs, Daffy, and Elmer. Or Mickey himself for that matter.

A great story can only be told once. It’s ideas and themes can inspire new stories, but once it happened, you cannot recreate the original magic. Can you? Is it audience dependent?

And then I start to wonder about culture and genetics and the bearing it has on all of this. I yearn for heroic tales, but only certain deeds speak of heroism to me. I took a liking to south Asian pacific pre-contact mythology for a while. It’s not directly comparative, nothing is, and it remained fascinating but was not relatable to me, my experience, my culture.

One size will never fit all. And we cannot become by magic or fiatwhat we are not by birth.

Star Wars spoke to the ancient Greco Roman Euro person via familiar myths and ideals. It is of them, and was made for them. Special People coopted it for their own purposes, and now see what it’s become

Blogger Ransom Smith August 14, 2019 2:16 PM  

Obi-Wan and Yoda ran away and hid too, so it's a rich tradition in the Star Wars universe.
Yeah but those actually made sense in universe.
The theory being that Obi Wan was waiting for Luke to come of age and mentor him. Same with Yoda.
Luke running away is different in that he didn't answer the call to action like Obi Wan did.

Blogger JohnofAustria August 14, 2019 2:17 PM  

They thought they could create new stuff that they wouldn't have to give Lucas any money for without actually having the ability to create anything.

Blogger Jake August 14, 2019 2:22 PM  

Star wars died when Lucas had teddy bears defeat elite stormtroopers. Empire Strikes Back was the last wholly good movie, good day.

Blogger Jake August 14, 2019 2:22 PM  

Star wars died when Lucas had teddy bears defeat elite stormtroopers. Empire Strikes Back was the last wholly good movie, good day.

Blogger C-Speaks August 14, 2019 2:25 PM  

Solo was so bad I considered legal action.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 14, 2019 2:25 PM  

Fucking Amash

Blogger Newscaper312 August 14, 2019 2:34 PM  

@66 bodenlose, @69 ransom

Yoda was preserving thelore until it would be needed. Obi Wan was in overwatch.

By comparison Han was a deadbeat dad, and Luke just checked out.

Blogger JohnofAustria August 14, 2019 2:35 PM  

See, I think they *tried* to create a new storyline with the abysmal new characters. It's just that they don't actually have any real talent for doing that anymore. The people who come up with new stories these days are risk-taking men who are not a part of the woke media empire.

So the abomination you see is the best they could do while simultaneously playing on our nostalgia and writing out the old.

Blogger JohnofAustria August 14, 2019 2:37 PM  

Good point. They are great at twisting and distorting stories and ideas, not so great at creating them ex nihilo.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums August 14, 2019 2:52 PM  

Makes sense. Star Wars isn't as easy to pull off a switcharoo with like they can with the Marvel movies seeing how those are based on comics.

I wonder if anyone here has followed all the peripheral stuff like the cartoons and novels and notice any major push of the agenda.

I personally hold a great amount of respect of their 5min short 2D animation "Star Wars: Clone Wars". The whole purpose of that was to cheaply test out ideas with the public. They had an episode with no dialogue and with just 4 special-op clone troopers that became really popular. Then they released "Star Wars: Republic Commando", a tactical squad-based FPS. Then they had another hit with some unnamed Jedi female alien after which they released the 3D animation series where Anakin had a female alien padawan of the same species.

The 3D animated shows have survived till this day with most people holding it in a higher regard than the new movies. I wouldn't be surprised if that's actually Disney's plan A: to slowly inject SJW characters while making the stories entertaining enough to keep the new generation of fanboys engaged. Judging by the fact there are no white characters in the poster for "Star Wars: Rebels" I think that's the case.

Expect for the movies to get worse and worse until the fanbase demands the canonization of the animated series after which Disney will be more than happy to provide them with a 100% ethnically cast live-action "Star Wars: Rebels" movie.

Blogger Lovekraft August 14, 2019 3:47 PM  

In ep III (2005) when Chancellor Palpatine is seducing Anakin, this line stands out from their private conversation:

"Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?...
He had such a knowledge of the dark side he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying."

This relates to Anakin's dream of Amadala dying. Which could have been planted in his mind.

Lots of modern SJWs would have been pretty young and impressionable when that plot line entered their minds. Describes the sith as going against fate and the natural order of things (pretty much non-debatable, because even the slightest exceptions open the door for evil). Ties into the broader political goals of Palpatine to bypass checks and balances.

Fast forward to eps 7 and 8 and the dynamic similar in depth to the above is Mary Sue and Kylo Ren and each trying to lure the other.

So how would the modern SJW filter and package the original 2005 and the modern messages? Lived through 2001, subsequent invasion of Iraq/Afg, blindly drank the Obama kool-aid, fed constant globalist pap, then dundundun! Trump.

So Disney, in summary, has helped lay the groundwork for this extensive obstruction, deflection, betrayal etc etc.

Blogger Lance E August 14, 2019 4:06 PM  

I'm not buying it. Sure, it explains the obsession with killing off existing characters, but not the characters who are replacing them or the awful plot holes. There are ways to reboot a series without getting woke, it's been done hundreds of times.

And considering this individual referred to the backlash as being toxic, it's clear who's side they're on. It's the typical ploy: "no really, it's not SJWs who are ruining everything, it's those evil greedy white male capitalists who run everything". I'm sure they're very greedy indeed, but greedy people don't voluntarily throw money down the toilet as Disney has done with both Star Wars and Marvel. They have to be either converted or coerced.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 14, 2019 4:11 PM  

@32

Privilege *IS* Power.

It's the power to do things that others (unprivileged) are not allowed to do.

Of course, the left has warped the use of "privilege" (as in "white privilege") to mean "mentally and morally capable" while still retaining the skinsuit of "breaking rules that other's aren't allowed to."

Blogger Dirk Manly August 14, 2019 4:13 PM  

@33

"It's curious to see posters here complaining about Chinese stealing of IP. If the bulk of the IP is owned by the likes of Devilmouse, Pedowood and the Banksteins of Wall Street why should anyone care?"


Productive people don't care about that garbage.

What we care about is that they are stealing our PATENTED INVENTIONS.

Blogger Joe August 14, 2019 5:17 PM  

"Was Carrie Fisher murdered so Leia, Warrior Queen, didn’t have to feature in the stories"

Was anyone really surprised that an original cast member died? Maybe it was natural, but the tendency is reliable.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 14, 2019 5:26 PM  

Joe wrote:Was anyone really surprised that an original cast member died?
Carrie Fisher has been a cocaine-addled self-destructive drunk since middle school. It's not a surprise that her body finally gave out.

Blogger Maxx Feral August 14, 2019 6:01 PM  

I love conspiracy theories and certainly can and will use them. The weakness is that they can be too flattering. IF the mess in the world is caused by a vast collection of Illuminati, Bildebergers, Bohemian Grove members, the Reptile Overlords, the Learned Elders of Zion and even the Girl Scouts - beware the Girl Scouts...! Well, scary and oppressive as it is, there's reason for things going wrong.


But most of the real conspiracies that have been proven and plain depressing and boring. Like ketchup manufacturers taking a tablespoon of ketchup out of each bottle - but that puts them below weight so is literally stealing/fraud since sold by weight... FTC was tipped by a grocery store in the 90s playing with their new scale. Clobbered them with a huge fine. Now just more water and occasional "15.9oz" tiny label, guess they learned their lesson. Or the automobile companies being in large part responsible for modern suburbia - to ensure need for their product - and also openly racist segregation agendas...All proven.


In this case, though I LOVE this Disney one, I fear the most common non-conspiracy that is very depressing and boring and tragic... "Throwing good money after bad...G-d help them if they admit they were ever wrong..."

It's funded war after war after war. Turned prisons into a huge for profit at public cost industry. Funded a "War on (some) Drugs" that does no social good and only bleeds money and makes the problems worse. The gambler who just won't stop gambling even though he's losing his house and everything would start healing if he'd just stop...

To this - well I frankly HOPE this conspiracy theory is right - wouldn't it be depressing if the "House of Mouse" got so stupid, so top heavy with elitist shut-ins that they listened to a team of college SJWs and got suckered into making horrible movies but kept on letting them do it afraid or unwilling to admit they did something wrong?

Blogger Starboard August 14, 2019 6:33 PM  

Obi Wan and Yoda were defeated and had to go on the run.
Luke and Han were disappointed and decided to run away.

Blogger Wolfman August 14, 2019 6:34 PM  

Star Trek? Star Wars?
Real men watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

Blogger Amethyst Dominica August 14, 2019 8:10 PM  

I highly recommend reading through General Friendliness' write up of the Star Wars Galaxy theme park on Kiwifarms. (Starts on page 500):

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-wars-griefing-thread-formerly-about-last-jedi.32492/page-500

It gives you an idea of just how empty the park is and how void it is of anything from the original trilogy. The only thing it does have in spades is porg plushies, which they couldn't give away even if they had a blank check from Disney attached to them.

Finding out that Disney only rented the OT characters is sweet frosting on the coffin. Did they really think they could flim-flam the original audience into buying a new version of the franchise, especially when they hired a bunch of dangerhairs and middle aged catladies to not only write the story, but design and build the theme park based on it as well?

Taking timeworn franchises and whoring them out for politics isn't something new. (Hell, I can't remember the last time we had a Sherlock Holmes series that wasn't set in the present day and where Watson wasn't either a middle aged lesbian or married to one,) but I believe that Ghostbusters and Star Wars marked the first time that a major studio deliberately just said "Fuck it. We don't care about the core audience that has given us billions so far. We're going to make WOKE versions of the movies for the people who support OUR politics!"

Blogger Akuma August 14, 2019 8:31 PM  

Why do these losers always feel the need to pay lip service to the normies? I read a handful of the young jedi knight books as a kid. My brother has damn near all the main expanded universe books which I read a few.

There was already established canon to draw from. The New Jedi Order books would have made great movies. All the main characters could have reprised their roles, but no. SJWs have to ruin everything. A KOTOR movie would have also been way better than Mary Suewalker and her Hipster Beta Orbiter.

Blogger Jack Amok August 14, 2019 8:41 PM  

Homer Simpson would like a word with you...

Let me guess, the word is "donuts."

I should have specified dramas. Sit-coms that return to the starting point each episode can of course go on for as long as the writers can come up with new material.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 14, 2019 8:46 PM  

@85

"I love conspiracy theories and certainly can and will use them. The weakness is that they can be too flattering. IF the mess in the world is caused by a vast collection of Illuminati, Bildebergers, Bohemian Grove members, the Reptile Overlords, the Learned Elders of Zion and even the Girl Scouts - beware the Girl Scouts...! Well, scary and oppressive as it is, there's reason for things going wrong. "

Steve Jackson's "Illuminati Game" has all of those (except the Girl Scouts)... but DOES include the Boy Scouts as a nefarious controlled faction. Turns out he was closer to the truth than most people imagined.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 14, 2019 9:03 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:Sit-coms that return to the starting point each episode can of course go on for as long as the writers can come up with new material.
Or it's been so long that the audience has forgotten the old material. As the Boomer generation ages, that cycle gets shorter and shorter for the Simpsons. How many times has a Boomer heard "Born To Be Wild"?

Blogger Ford Prefect August 14, 2019 9:36 PM  

@54: Gotta agree wholeheartedly. I've seen the movies and I still have a hard time remembering the names of the new characters (VII and VIII). How bad a writer do you have to be to write leading characters who are that forgettable? Is there an anti-Oscar that we can give the writers?

Blogger tublecane August 14, 2019 10:31 PM  

This makes sense, and would render their picking over the corpse of the original trilogy extra craven. Because they could always make up their own characters and storylines, or pull from the extended universe. But no; they don't leave money in the table. They want to exploit old fans and crap on the old stuff simultaneously.

Blogger tublecane August 14, 2019 10:37 PM  

@93- For as flat, underdeveloped, and devoid of personality were some of the characters in the Prequel series, I remember most of them. Granted, many were carry-overs from the originals. But guys like Dexter Jettster and Kit Fisto stick in my mind. Major characters in the new one I completely blank on, except for their most obvious stand-out characteristics: hot-shot pillt, Mary Sue, black stormtrooper, etc.

Blogger One Deplorable DT August 15, 2019 12:39 AM  

@88 - I highly recommend reading through General Friendliness' write up of the Star Wars Galaxy theme park on Kiwifarms. (Starts on page 500):

That was a depressing read. I knew Galaxy's Edge was bombing and attendance for the entire park was down, but I had no idea it was that bad.

And there was so much potential. All wasted for greed and SJW nonsense.

Good news for Vox though because pretty soon there will be zero competition for the comic and scifi projects he's working on. I liked the MCU but every sign points to Endgame being the end. And both Star Wars and Star Trek died a while back.

Vox: the field is yours for the taking.

Blogger Jack Amok August 15, 2019 12:41 AM  

Or it's been so long that the audience has forgotten the old material.

"Catch the football Bart, and we can all go get ice cream..."

That old?

As the Boomer generation ages, that cycle gets shorter and shorter for the Simpsons. How many times has a Boomer heard "Born To Be Wild"?

I dunno, but I bet the last few times they heard it was as the soundtrack to a commercial for adult diapers or ED meds with a paunchy grey-haired guy riding a motorcycle.

And you know what the final middle finger those bastards are going to give us is? When they're finally dead and buried, we'll be old and grey and they'll have made everyone think old and grey folks are worthless jerks.

Blogger One Deplorable DT August 15, 2019 12:50 AM  

@97 - And you know what the final middle finger those bastards are going to give us is? When they're finally dead and buried, we'll be old and grey and they'll have made everyone think old and grey folks are worthless jerks.

You think they're going to give up after they die? Please...I'm convinced the zombie apocalypse will begin once the majority of boomers are buried. They will rise from the grave to tell us death is the new 40 and they've never been sexier.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 15, 2019 1:05 AM  

@97

"And you know what the final middle finger those bastards are going to give us is? When they're finally dead and buried, we'll be old and grey and they'll have made everyone think old and grey folks are worthless jerks."


And for the first time in our lives that we aren't having to live in their shadow... we're old and gray.

Blogger Jack Amok August 15, 2019 1:18 AM  

I'm convinced the zombie apocalypse will begin once the majority of boomers are buried. They will rise from the grave to tell us death is the new 40 and they've never been sexier.

I'm buying more shotgun shells tomorrow.

Blogger Glaivester August 15, 2019 1:45 AM  

@82:

Exactly. Worries about Chinese IP theft are about technology, not about art.

Blogger Glaivester August 15, 2019 1:46 AM  

Spoken like someone who hasn't seen any of the new Star Trek: Diversity series. It's much worse than you would likely imagine. I knew it was going to suck, but I had to see just how bad it was after I saw Justin Amash praising it on Twitter.

Trekkies and Star Wars fans both lose. The last one standing wins...
The name of the place.... is Babylon 5.

Blogger Sargent.matrim August 15, 2019 2:39 AM  

Oh, they are definitely succeeding, they are succeeding in destroying everything about one of the most beloved franchises in history.

Goodbye Star Wars, bring on Rebel and Throne of Bones.

Blogger Paul M August 15, 2019 4:34 AM  

Jesus never said "money is the root of all evil". He said something subtler - money is the root of all kinds of evil. Or to put it another way: there's all sorts of screwed up stuff in the world which, when you trace it back, is really all about money.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 15, 2019 6:41 AM  

Wrong, Paul.

Jesus said that THE LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil.

Money itself is one of the most useful tools and concepts that man has ever invented -- because it eliminates the need for barter, and therefore, 25-way deals to get even a moderately-sized project done.
Money is not the evil. LOVING it above all else is.
Such as loving it to the point of jealous -- jealous that some of the money is still in other people's pockets, and not your own. THAT kind of sick level of love.

Blogger andrew.thompson August 15, 2019 8:11 AM  

Lucas was an "all in nothing out deal". There is no interest left at all to Lucas. The reason to kill off the original crew is because Disney doesn't want anyone involved with their projects in big name franchises to have backend-points.

This is why in the MCU you have things like Tony Stark dying off - RDJ was at a salary of $20 million and 8% of the backend. "Backend points" cost the movie studio from the money made before most other expenses - so after theatres are paid but before other expenses like production and marketing costs - are counted. So for a movie like Avengers Endgame RDJ made likely over $50M and possibly closer to $100M depending on how good the accounting people are at Hollywood math.

This is why so many people here don't understand why Disney would be doing what they are doing and why "they are killing Star Wars" people couldn't be more wrong. Yes, they are probably making movies with less revenue potential over the long-term, but they are making movie with fixed costs, that have no participants with points. No one knows for sure, but it's likely that no one in the "new" trilogy or stand-alone Star Wars movies have backend points. They just get a salary, potentially with some bonuses based on performance. A movie with a fixed budget of $200M is a huge budget BUT over decades the cost stays the same while the movie continues to produce long-tail revenue, licensing, spin offs, merchandise, product tie-ins, etc. And no one gets a cut of that.

The math of these types of moves are not accidental or unintended - it's probably the entire goal. Kill of all the name brand characters who fans demand to be in the films and kill of their points. Replace them with Mary Sues who have no power in Hollywood, and increase your margin on an inferior product, which also happens to be more profitable.

Blogger John Rockwell August 15, 2019 10:34 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Trekkies are being rounded up by the busload. Haven't you followed the news about one pedophile/child-porn ring after another being rolled up?



Of course. Star Trek is post-scarcity. Infinite grass for rabbits like them. A pedo paradise.

Blogger sammibandit August 15, 2019 11:12 AM  

I figured there was a seedier side to pleasure island Reise in Trek. They only show the resort areas!

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